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  • disregard the 1-6 people because the picture on the left was taken FACING the people & the one on the right was in the BACK of the people so the numbers on the right should be going, L to R, 654321. I've been watching JFK assassination videos since earlier tonight when there was a show on tv about the secret service & how much they have to do to protect the pres. and since I wasn't even THOUGHT OF around the 60s (try 80s), it's interesting trying to think I can begin to figure all this out 0.0

  • Spot on mate, there's even approx 100 different version's of it on utube alone. I remember quite clearly that JFK's Brain falls out as he drops down to Jakie's knee's, back in when it was first shown on TV in australia. after the House Select Review etc.

  • @7071t6 Which film are you talking about ? Are you talking about the unaltered version of the zapruder film ? I think literally less than 10 people have seen it

  • I believe that examination of the unedited film (and I do believe it still exits) will reveal :

    Limo stationary for 1-2 seconds

    Bullet ricochet (and damage to) off the stimmonds freeway sign (that's why they removed it)

    Evidence of a second head shot

    All the Parklands staff who examined the head spoke of a large gaping wound to the REAR RIGHT of the head. No such wound is shown in the altered zapruder film. Hence the film has been edited to match the Warren Commission findings

  • @funkmasterjee Absurd conclusion! The reason the zapruder film shows no gaping wound to the back of Kennedy's head is because there was no such wound. The Marie Muchmore film from another (better) angle shows no such wound either. Was that edited also? What's your proof? The Parkland staff did not perform an autopsy. That was done at Bethesda Naval. All three patholigists concluded that Kennedy was struck only from behind. This conclusion was backed by four commissions.

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  • @funkmasterjee WHere do you learn this shit? Completly untrue! If there was a large gaping hole in the back of Kennedy's head it would have been seen in the Zapruder and Muchmore films. The large gaping wound to the *front* of Kennedy's head can easily be seen. You need to be grounded to reality. You are being sold a bill of goods (i.e. you are being lied to by book hustlers).

  • @abennett4 There are several interviews on youtube with staff members (both doctors and nurses) who were present at Parklands on that day. All say the rear back of the head was blow out. YT won't allow me to post links...search and watch yourself !

  • @funkmasterjee They could, and would, have told the truth. It was Jackie Kennedy who decided to have the autopsy done at Bethesda Naval (JFK served in the Navy). Are we to supose that patholigists lay in wait at any facility that she might have chosen? Simply preposterous! Why do CT'ers claim that all the evidence that goes against conspiracy is part of the conspiracy? It is closed-looped and intellectually dishonest.

  • @abennett4  The autopsy was led by someone with NO autopsy experience and I personally would rather trust the statements of the Parklands personnel - who actually fought to keep JFK's body there for an autopsy in line with prevailing law.

  • @funkmasterjee you trust parkland because you think they back your biased, pre-determined conclusions. The autopsy (including photos and xrays) was reviewed by four commissions. Guess what? Kennedy was struck only from behind. Nobody saw the back of Kennedy's head blown out. That is silly and misinformed.

  • @abennett4 I trust the statements of the Parklands staff because they have no reason to lie. (Unless you think they all got together in some room at Parkland and agreed to lie about the head wounds). Whereas I don't necessarily trust any military personnel who basically live under a regime. The Parklands staff have been consistent with their statements since 1963

  • @abennett4 calm down. Your blood pressure must be sky high . :o)

  • AlBoesch : There is one other anomaly that you seem to have overlooked. Take a look at the lamp post nearest to zapruder's position. There is a distinct 'cut out' line around it. This to me proves that the area above the limo was separated, re-scaled (by 130%) and re-timed so that the limo appeared to barely slow down where as in fact it stopped for a couple of seconds (to allow an accurate head shot - or two almost simultaneous head shots

  • @funkmasterjee Perhaps you care to edify us as to why neither the Muchmore nor the Nix films show the limo stopping. Were they fiiming a different assassination? LOL

  • @abennett4  probably edited also. Virtually everyone close to the limo said it stopped or virtual braked to a stop. Now you're telling me and them they are all wrong ?

  • @funkmasterjee "Virtually" everyone? Name them! Completly untrue! There might have been a couple. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Especially at an event such as this. You take 100 witnesses to an accident you will get 100 different accounts. Obviously at least 99 will be wrong. Are we to take the word of unreliable witness accounts or trust the reliable film evidence? There is no evidence that either the Nix of Muchmore films were edited (or zapruders). Impossible!

  • @abennett4 Jean Hill - "There was an instant pause between the first two shots and the motorcade seemingly halted for a second and three or four more shots rang out and the motorcade sped away.” "(When asked if she saw the limousine stop during the shooting) "I know it was hardly moving, if not stopped at one point."

  • @funkmasterjee Jean Hill also reported seeing a dog in the back seat of the limo. It doesn't matter whay all these unreliable eyewitnesses said since it is clear from all the reliable and unedited film evidence that the limo didn't stop. And how would the driver even know when to stop? You are making all sorts of invalid ad hoc assumptions. Assuming the driver was in on the plot and would know when to stop and that all the film has been edited. Preposterous!

  • @abennett4 You are not going to convince me that all those witnesses are unreliable. That's total BS. Why was a guy holding an open umbrella when it hadn't rained for over two hours and then raise it momentarily 2 feet as the limo approached?? For no reason?? logic would suggest as a signal. For who? Probably not a shooter. Any shooter would be in radio contact with a lookout. More likely the driver to make sure the limo stopped (or sufficiently slow to guarantee an accurate shot)

  • @funkmasterjee The guy with the umbrella was making a political statement. The limo maintained the same speed (~11 mph) from the time it turned from Houston on to Elm. The reason for the slow speed was to provide Kennedy the maximum exposure for political reasons not because someone was taking aim - that's just silly. Again, it is quite natural for witnesses to "misremember". The camera does not lie.

  • @abennett4 LOL at the Troll. Camera does not lie hahahahah!! Drink that kool aid boy!

  • @homebuiltindoorplane So your theory is that the zapruder, nix and muchmore films were *all* altered? Simply preposterous! Where is your proof? Not only does the limo not stop, at the instant of the head shot all the blood and tissue is forwards confirming that the shot came from the rear.

  • @abennett4 Peggy Burney (Online article by Vince Palamara referencing 11-24-63 Dallas Times Herald article) “she stated that JFK’s car had come to a stop.”

  • @abennett4 Mary Woodward - "My first reaction, and also my friends', was that as a joke someone had backfired their car. Apparently, the driver and occupants of the President's car had the same impression, because instead of speeding up, the car came almost to a halt...

  • @abennett4 Hugh Betzner - "I looked up and it seemed like there was another loud noise in the matter of a few seconds. I looked down the street and I could see the President’s car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped...I walked down toward where the President's car had stopped.”

  • @abennett4 Charles Bronson - "Then I looked and saw a few people lay flat on the ground just as the presidential car stopped for a split second and then take off.”

  • @abennett4 Officer M. L. Baker:

    "Mr. Truly was standing out there, he said it stopped. Several officers said it stopped completely."

  • @abennett4 ABC Reporter Bob Clark (rode in the National Press Pool Car) - Reported on the air that the limousine stopped on Elm Street during the shooting [WFAA/ ABC, 11/22/63]

  • @abennett4  DPD motorcycle officer James W. Courson (one of two mid-motorcade motorcycles) - "The limousine came to a stop and Mrs. Kennedy was on the back. I noticed that as I came around the corner at Elm. Then the Secret Service agent [Clint Hill] helped push her back into the car, and the motorcade took off at a high rate of speed."

  • @abennett4 NBC reporter Robert MacNeil (rode in White House Press Bus)---"The President's driver slammed on the brakes - after the third shot…"

  • @abennett4 DPD Earle Brown - "…The first I noticed the [JFK's] car was when it stopped..after it made the turn and when the shots were fired, it stopped."

  • @abennett4 DPD motorcycle officer Bobby Hargis (one of the four Presidential motorcyclists)---"…At that time [immediately before the head shot] the Presidential car slowed down. I heard somebody say 'Get going.' I felt blood hit me in the face and the Presidential car stopped almost immediately after that."

  • @abennett4 Phil Willis - "…The [Presidential] party had come to a temporary halt before proceeding on to the underpass."

  • @abennett4 Alan Smith - "…the car was ten feet from me when a bullet hit the President in the forehead…the car went about five feet and stopped." ["Chicago Tribune," 11/23/63

  • and you totally grossly generalize and misrepresnt witness testimony. All and all, a very poor and fantastic (as in fantasy) presentation!

  • Of course the people on the north side of elm move about while the ones on the south are *almost* motionless. The ones on the south are *shoulder to shoulder*. That would restrict their motion. Duh! No one knows if Zapruder stopped filming or not! He says there is no fadein as is *sometimes* customary. *SOMETIMES*. There is nothing missing. Zapruder stopped filming! And there is no way 30 seconds are *missing*. And your numbering is out of order. "Easy Reference", my ass! No tampering!

  • The women all look the same to me to be perfectly honest.

  • In the zapruder film the people are numbered 1-6 from left-right from the position of the construction man, when they should be numbered 1-6 from right-left from the construction man, because the image is taken from behind. Is this an error on your part? Because it doesn't seem out of the ordinary to me, that's exactly what it should look like when comparing a front shot from a behind shot, you're numbering in the wrong direction.

  • @fmgaluda They are numbered correctly. The Altgens photograph has been reversed so the onlookers line up respectively. The original photo is shown 3:25-3:31 before White starts his comparisons. You can tell that the photo is reversed by locating the motorcycle officer on the driver's side of the limousine.

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  • @ 3:56- he is trying to compare the people on "construcion man's" left with the people on his right... of course they're different.

  • Customary fade-in and fade-out??? This guy knows NOTHING about a 8mm camera!! This is foolishness!

  • @LoneNutter1 So that just settles it then? You dont agree with a guy on one point and its all rubbish...Great thinking skills. You can do better that that, Im sure of it.

  • this old guy is mostly making assumptions

  • @MrConneely93 with evidence you dont make assumptions!

  • The man in the dark suit is to the left of her not the right sorry.

  • Sorry z frame 183 not 182

  • If look at the woman in with the blue over coat to the right of her there is a gap then more people and to the right of her there is a man in a dark suit with a dark hat in z frame 157. Pay attention to the same man in z frame 182 he now has on a light suit.

  • allen dulles was apppt by lbj to sit on the warren comm-he was the cia director fired by jfk after the bay of pigs-alot of people at cia were furious at kennedy and they worked in cia operations- hunt , phillips, morales, the anti-castro ops people. dulles said-"people don't read"-that is why he felt the scam could be put over on the public. dulles was right -the public basically won't question authority-they go along to get along. the cia used life mag as one of its "friendly assetts"-da fix

  • this guy is a fake

  • @weinmanjoe based upon what? a synapse firing in your head?

  • Video has been altered. I'm sure the final shot was too.

  • Totally unconvincing analysis here. Measurements fail to account for parallax and camera lens distortion. Assumptions are presented as facts and the images of the shot that hit Kennedy in the head are perfectly consistent with a single shot from behind.

  • @markhollandmd Go look at John costellas website, pretty much a drove of independent researchers are all coming to similar conclusions these days. Costelaa even mentions your parallax and deals with it.

  • @N1k1mon Ultimately the agents of Kennedy's death are rendered irrelevant by time. Even if we could prove that the CIA murdered the man, what would change about our nation today? We would still have a President who is a former CIA operative. We would still be in a depression. We would still be a plutocracy. We would still wonder what happened to the ideal of a society governed by citizens. We would still be lost.

  • @markhollandmd yes but at least people would be awake to just what a government is capable of

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  • 7:01 - Ethnic Possibilities?

  • Part of Zapruders testimony at Shaw trial -

    Q: Is the copy you have here today identical to the original or are there any plates missing out of this copy?

    Zapruder: That would be hard for me to say. He asked me if there are any frames missing.

    THE COURT: What is your answer?

    Zap : I couldn't say.

    Q: So you don't know whether it is a complete copy of the film you took on the 22nd of November?

    Zap : Not if there are one or two frames missing, I couldn't tell you.

  • robinator - You say Zapruder said the film was unaltered - when and where did he say this ? Reference please. He died in 1970 which was 5 years before the film was shown on TV for the first time.

  • There as many EASY explanations to all of the topics you point out. YET you'd rather believe the most LEAST likey and highly convoluted explanations you can conjur up. This does a great disrespect to the events of the day. In interviews, Zapruder said the film as shown was exactly as he remembered shooting it. Your amatuer photo anaylsis is disturbing. Let's start with notion that ALL cameras distort - especially 1960's home versions. Get a life.

  • "amoeba man, stick man, 6 1/2' tall running woman"

  • at 7:08. how can number 5 be both on the right? top picture number 5 has someone to her elft. but on bottom pic. number 5 has number 4 to her right? so many errors in this whole video. like saying marry moorman was 2 feet away in the video when its clearly just 3 inches. this video is false.

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  • Some eyewitnesses said they heard the first shot as the limo made the turn,which would explain the bullet hole in the windshield slightly left of center and the entrance wound in the front of JFK's throat.This would have occured between frames 131 & 132

  • See the Original Z film with the SOUND track You tube: paul8kangas

  • this is ubelievable. i never thought that the Zapruder film was altered this much. but this definatly proofs it ! i'm speechless.

  • Problems I have with photographic analysis here is that photos compared are being assumed to be at exact times lines. Cancellaro photo in part 3 is lined up with Zapruder's film. Cancellaro's photo is post assassination; Zap. film is moments before, during & moments after. It must have took 2 newsmen 10 or more seconds to run up from 4 or 5 cars back in motorcade to end up being in Can. photo. Newmen's film is blurry until he runs there. Same with others compared here, this isn't factored in!

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