Free Palestine: The Israeli Apartheid Wall (فلسطين )

[stadtrade102]

the jewish people let us know how bad they had it with nazis,i see children being shot for throwing stones,denied food and a lot i dont even see. britain,usa,europe,they cant see no wrong if you wake up in the morning and theirs a new house on your LAND it will be jewish but we at the UN cant see that . yes free palestine.

[An2thaJak]

wtf is he talkin bout: ''90% of historical palestine will be israel''?!

historical palestine = jordan + israel + gaza + westbank

if you take a look at the map you will see that right now 90% of historical palestine/israel is arabic. so WTF?

[danny1st]

That wall is keeping Jews from being blown up to pieces, I prefer to be in one piece than to have "peace".

[ABOODY8411]

fuck israel

[horny4maturewomen]

isrea is a war criminal and a blood thirsty war machine...

gaza=concentration camp

[nomes1989]

Just so you guys know - b/c most of you have probably not even been there

#1. This "wall" you call is 96% fence (maybe a couple feet high), and 3% wall...

#2. The 3% of wall has successful stopped many terrorist missions into Israel.. suicide bombers disguised as pregnant women, ambulances carrying unbelievable amounts of bombs and much more.

I dont know about you...but having a security fence to stop killings of innocent people seems like a job well done on Israel side that's forsure.

[AlexiusComnenos]

The UN has labeled Palestinians as refugees from Jordan, Egypt, Syria and because of this refugee status, they have received BILLIONS of dollars in aid. What have they done with all this wealth?

Out of nearly 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has not been absorbed into their own peoples' lands.

[AlexiusComnenos]

Arab nations still maintain generations of the descendants of refugees in "refugee camps" under squalid conditions with the hope that someday they will dislodge the Jews in Israel. Lebanon maintains nearly 1/2 million refugees in conditions that are 1000 times worse than muslim Palestine yet the world remains silent for these poor souls. Jimmy Carter never went there and these refugees are never in the media because Israel cannot be blamed.

[AlexiusComnenos]

more info: "The UN Resolution of 1947 allocated 45% of British Mandate Palestine to a Palestinian State. In 1948, Israel occupied 78% of the land, leaving just 22% -- the West Bank and Gaza"

LOL! I see that it conveniently fails to mention that this land was won in battle against the 5 Arab nations that attacked Israel on the first day of its existence!

It also fails to mention that Jordan occupies 75% of what was British Palestine.

Logical fallacies and historical revisionism

[Dodevolf]

AlexiusComnenos you forgot to mention that for 19 years from the end of the 1948 war that Jordon occupied the West Bank and Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip, made no improvments, kept Palestinains in refugee camps and no one objected to that occupation.

[AlexiusComnenos]

i also did not mention that 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.

[AlexiusComnenos]

or that Jordan occupies 75% of what would be considered British Palestine, yet no one considers them an occupying nation.

or that Jordan killed more "palestinians" in black september than Israel have in years, yet Jordan do not seem to suffer the daily rocket attacks

the "palestinians" then went on to destroy the beautiful country of Lebanon from the inside - perpetrating ID murders against christians

the hypocrisy in these cases is stunning

[Dodevolf]

Or maybe it is you that is wrong. And if Americans don't care about Muslims why did we give $100 million to Pakastan to care for refuges this week. Why did we give millions to Pakastan in 2008 after the earthquake? Why did we commit over 10 million to the rebuilding of Gaza in February of this year? If America did not care about Muslims why do we send aid and Peace Corps volunteers to Mali, Indonisia, and other countries that have Muslim majorities? Stop crying and start educating yourself.

[annebeck58]

Hey, by the way-- get YOUR figures straight. Hillary Clinton promised about 6 million to Gaza. This is while WE are giving over 3 BILLLION to Israel, per YEAR. And, that does not include the munitions, bulldozers, planes (MY own father showed them how to engineer the fighter planes IN Israel for a year). I know a LOT more about this crap then you, as I LOOK other places than the American Hasbara News.. (get a grip on the truth).

[realstress]

To annebeck58,

If your father did work at Israel Aircraft Industries, than he knows fully well that he was learning from the Israeli engineers, not the other way around. That's right, the Israeli electronics and avionics is more advanced than the american equipment, and that's why the US government has applied unbearable pressure on Israel, forcing the cancellation of the Lavi fighter jet program in 1987, after it became obvious that the Lavi was superior to the F-16.

[annebeck58]

Actually, dippy, he worked at Pratt and Whitney.. not Israeli Aircraft..

And YOU know nothing of what he did, though he LEFT (two years early) because he knew it was the wrong thing to do-- to be on the side of Israel!

[realstress]

To annebeck58,

Your father worked on the engine of the Lavi multi-purpose jet fighter programme.

If he started working on this program, and if he travelled to Israel, it means he knew that he was going to work for the Israeli cause ! And if he "LEFT two years early", it was because he was FIRED. he was either fired because of incompetence, or because the Israeli Aircraft Industries security department noticed he was doing something illegal (pro-Arab activity, for example).

[realstress]

To annebeck58,

In the best case for your father, he was EXPELLED from Israel, by orders of the all-knowing Israeli security services. So if he told you that he "left early" he bullshited you. And if he worked for Pratt, then obviously he didn't "show the Israelis how to engineer fighter aircraft", he simply worked on the engine, and the engine is considered low-tech. High tech is the radar, the avionics and the air-to-air rockets (all made in Israel obviously).

[annebeck58]

First of all, STUPID, it's "Pratt and Whitney" (look it up). Secondly, he was one of ELEVEN who designed the engines of probably ANY plane you have flown in. FInally, expellled? HA.  No, he left when he had enough of the hells perpetrated BY ISrael on Palestine... AND Lebanon.

Grow up and learn to pay attention (learn SOME facts, dopey)..

[realstress]

To annebeck58 (continued),

The 3 billions per year that the US gives to Israel, are the best investment the US has ever made. You now why, you ignorant ? Because every NATO country wants to buy the exact same military aircraft that are used by the best Air Force in the world (Israeli Air Force, obviously).

Selling hundreds of F-16's and F15's to every NATO country, produces earnings in the range of trillions !!. That's why USA has forced Israel to cancel the Lavi project. You got that ?

Th

[annebeck58]

gahhhddd. you are stupid, realstress YOU need a "reality check"!!

[brian8793]

This wall was needded because of frequent sniper rifle attacks.

Long live a free, democratic Israel!!!

[annebeck58]

walls need to be built around these illegall settlements to keep the OCCUPIERS from firing at UNARMED Arabs... because they ALL have guns.. LOOK It up, "settlers, guns".. to see what the real TRUTH is.

[brian8793]

Nope, your wrong. The Jews couldn't care less what The Arabs are doing. It is the Arabs that have used snipers, suicide bombers, and missiles to terrorize The Israelis, and cause the developement of the wall.

The Israeli's are just protecting themselves. We all know this here in America.This is why we will always support Israel!

The surrounding Countries should be thankful that Israel is a humane Country or else they would level everybody around them in less than a week

GOD BLESS ISRAEL

[annebeck58]

Actually, YOU are wrong. AS Israel continues to behave in a more and more Nazi-type manner, MORE Americans (including me and many more) are seeing the truth.

And, we know that Israel is the aggressor AND is in the wrong.

VIVA Palestine..

[brian8793]

NOPE. Sorry. Your living in an imaginary world. Your delusions, and false pride in a Nation that has been taken advantage of(not by Israeli's, but ARABS), is a never winning battle that is going on in your head.

Let me guess, you desperately need to believe in a cause don't you? Believe me, this is not the one.

Israel will NEVER, I repeat NEVER, be abandoned by The U.S. or any other European Nation as long as humans are at the top of the food chain on this planet.

[brian8793]

To tell you the truth, you need to move to Palestine. Pick up a Syrian, Lybian, OR Iranian "donated" weapon, and stand beside Hamas!

Thats what you should do. That will satisfy that little troll inside your head that makes you feel like your fighting a righteous battle.

YOUR NOT.

Remember, talk is cheap, your actions are what matter. So go, and stand next to your brothers in arms, and fight the good fight.

You will certainly be blessed with Virgins when you die.LOL

[annebeck58]

I have lived in America a lot longer than you, punk.. so, if YOU adore Israel so much, why don't YOU move there?

jerk..

[brian8793]

Don't really want to live there, because I'm thankful to live in America. Israel is our greatest ally, and I will support them till the day I die.

Israel is our last stand against The Muslim dominated Middle East. Thanks to Israel, we can put up a defense against The Cancer of The Middle East.

I'm probably not smart enough to live in Israel anyways. You know how how smart they are right?

Highest Doctor per citizen ratio of any Country on planet, BY A LARGE MARGIN.

HAHA

[jogiff]

Aparently preventing illegal immigration is Apartheid.

If WWII were happening today, the Maginot lines would be called "Apartheid lines," attacking Germany would be considered an over reaction to the bombing of London.

German aggression would be justified by D-Day and the bombing of Berlin would be "collective punishment."

The occupation of Germany and Japan would be criticized as Imperialism and the Nazis would be freedom fighters.

[donning]

No but bulldozing people's homes, stealing their land, restricting their freedom of movement and opportunity, restricting the availability of subsistence supplies to them, launching rockets in to their residential areas, all based on the fact that they are Palestinian; these things are redolent of apartheid.

[jogiff]

The settlements aren'y being built where Arab towns are, or were. 80% of settlers live in what are essentially suburbs of Israeli cities. Israel isn't launching rockets into residential areas, unless there is an actual battle going on.

It isn't based on race, it's based on Nationality.

[donning]

Inane dross; sound and fury signifying nothing (rather ungrammatical sound and fury too.) I didn't mention the word race; the word I used was apartheid - segregationist policy which can be based upon a number of factors of which race is only one. It is a matter of record that Israel has launched rockets in civilian areas of Lebanon and Palestine and that Israeli settlements have displaced areas of Palestinian domicile occupation.

[jogiff]

Apartheid: (according to the Oxfords English Dictionary) a policy or system of segregationor discrimination based on race.

Seriously, if you have no idea what you're talking about, please. leave the discussion to the adults.

[donning]

Look dolt: you're in no position to sneer at me regarding matters lexicographical. The OED reflects current usage - certainly so in the type of basic (probably online) version you refer to. You can't even construct a grammatically or coherent clause or phrase so you're hardly on a winner when it comes to trying to be a smart arse regarding semantics.

[donning]

Apartheid has a multiplicity of related meanings and, based upon your fuck-witted submissions thus far, I wouldn't expect that you're capable of understanding any of them. I work in higher and further education in fields related English literature and language; if you want to argue about things you clearly have an exiguous knowledge of at best: so be it.

[donning]

See, I've been to Israel and to Palestine and to Lebanon. I actually have some coherent notion of the things I refer to. You are clearly alack in this area. Israeli troops intervene freely on Palestinian campuses, entering classes and student residences, and interrogating and detaining students. There have been repeated military invasions, closures, curfews, arbitrary arrests and shootings.

[donning]

Recently Israel has restricted entry of foreign nationals to occupied areas, seriously affecting universities and colleges where many holders of overseas passports - including academics of Palestinian origin - hold important positions. In a report on racial discrimination in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, Amnesty International observes that such restrictions "appear to be aimed at weakening Palestinian institutions and further isolating them and the Palestinian population.

[VoiceofBaghdad]

Bro, I don't think jogiff is literate enough to read newspapers, let alone reports. I mean...one doesn't have to be the top political commentator to know what's been happening in Palestine.

[donning]

No, Sister: you just have to be fairly stupid to deny it, as is demonstrably the case with the aforementioned individual. A stupid young male residing in California: who'd have thought it?

[VoiceofBaghdad]

Yes, he stinks of it!

[donning]

Among institutions systematically engaged in occupation none has a higher public profile than Ariel College. Its campus is located in a settlement bloc in the West Bank, constructed illegally on land seized from the Palestinian villages of Salfit, Mirda, Kufur Harith and Iskaka.

[donning]

In August the college declared itself a university -- "The Ariel University Centre of Samaria". Its mission is "demonstratively Zionist": the college insists that every student must study Judaism, Jewish heritage or "Land of Israel studies", and the Israeli flag is displayed in every classroom, laboratory and auditorium. It currently teaches some 9,000 students and aims to increase numbers to 20,000 by 2010.

[donning]

Israeli peace campaigner Uri Avnery observes: "Ariel is a location in a territory under military occupation, a territory which is not and has never been part of the state of Israel. Moreover, Ariel is a special kind of location: it is an armed enclave, created by armed force and dependent for its continued existence on force, and force alone.

[realstress]

To donning,

For your info: The Israeli Jews have more right to live in Ariel, and in the West Bank, than the Americans have the right to be in USA, than the Australians have the right to be in Australia, than the Canadians in Canada.

You know why, you schmock ? Because the Jews have already had a country named Judeea there, and because the territory has been taken in a defensive war (the 1967 war started when Egypt declared war on Israel).

Please put all this into your tiny brains.

[donning]

Thank your for your swift reply to a comment I made a year ago. Put it 'into my tiny brains?' Now that just doesn't make sense or work on any level. You want the world to be organised on the basis of kingdoms that existed thousands of years ago? I suppose Rome has the right to invade Egypt and Greece to go tear arsing into 'Persia' then? Israel is beyond it's 1967 borders.

[neoKonscioius]

In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks , but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.

[realstress]

To annebeck58,

The 1967 6 day war occured after Egypt declared war on Israel in May 1967.

The 1973 Yom Kippur war was started by a surprise attack by Egypt and Syria, on a Jewish religious holiday. There is no such nation as "Palestinians", they are simply Arabs. There was never in history a country named Palestine, and there will never be one ! The word "schmock" comes from the Yidish language, so I am the one that teaches you the correct spelling.

Both spellings are acceptable inScrabble

[annebeck58]

blah, blah, blabbb... BULLSHIT.

and, maybe in INTERNATIONAL Scrabble, but not HERE..

[realstress]

To annebeck58,

In Chambers Dictionary (the reference dictionary for English Scrabble Championships), both spellings are valid. In any case, maybe you think you are clever in Texas, if you would live among Jewish people, you would be nobody. A Palestinian state can and will exist only after USA will return Texas to Mexico. You know why, you ignorant ? Because the Jews have much more right on those territories, than USA has rights over texas. You got that ?

[donning]

Just one of many instances that are redolent of apartheid policy; of course this has been recognised by people like Nelson Mandela whom, you may think, knows rather more about the subject than you do. Just one example there: I have many more. As already stated, I actually have some idea of what I'm referring to. I've been there, seen for myself. You're not in a position to take a didactic tone with me regarding Israeli policy and certainly fucking not regarding proper use of English.

[donning]

Incidentally, jogiff, my cerebral friend, it's called the Oxford English Dictionary, not 'Oxfords.' If you read the grammatical appendix in the Oxford (or Oxfords) English dictionary, you will learn that it isn't customary to place a full stop (period to Californians) in the middle of a sentence. There again, what should one expect from a Californian supporter of Israeli apartheid?

[jogiff]

Wow, that was intelligent, my grammar was bad, and so, therefore, I'm wrong.

Of course, someone who seriously calls Israel Apartheid clearly doesn't have the mental capacity to actually put up a real argument.

[donning]

I've already explained the semantic ramifications of my usage. You are a fucking cerebral dwarf. It's not just your grammar that's bad; your punctuation, semantics and syntax are equally redolent of a noteworthy paucity of intelligence. Full stops: they're a punctuation mark although, since you mention it, yes, your grammar is bad. In short, it helps to be smart if you're trying to be a smart arse.

[jogiff]

Actually, that doesn't mean anything. IF all you can criticize is the fact that I put some commas where they don't belong then I don't understand how you can possibly be taken seriously.

You know who you remind me of? Ignatius Reilly from A Confederacy of Dunces. Basically you're a pretentious fuckwit who hides his own idiocy by criticizing minor faults in others.

[donning]

I can highlight massive faults, old son. I can post my academic record against yours, you pathetic Californian cunt. Do you want to debate publicly? PM me and I will arrange it early in the New Year. Bring it on, dunce - awaiting your PM.

[donning]

So, again: is Hebron a 'suburb'?

[donning]

I don't suppose it does mean anything to dolts that can't understand it - redundancy? As I've said, check me when you've been there, simpleton.

[donning]

jogiff; Semi literate cunt.

[donning]

So - the status of Hebron, then?

[magickmatt138]

The problem with you Jews, is that your not tough enough. Look at how the Jordanians slaughtered the Palestinians. The Israelis if anything, have been very patient with the Palestinians. Meir Kahane was right, the Arabs should be expelled from Israel.

[kiril1]

You have just shown the reality that many of us hate to look at:we are to patient and too weak.

I think for myself:where is the jewesh brain??I think it's a myth,because if we had been a little bit smarter,we would treat palestinians as they deserve and not like others want us to do.

[donning]

Well, any elucidation of my thoughts will clearly appear to be intelligent in contradistinction to yours but thank you anyway. As for 'real arguments': you have amply demonstrated that you know fuck all about Israel or Palestine. I'll tell you what; get back to me when you've actually been there.

[donning]

So, again: is Hebron a 'suburb'?

[VoiceofBaghdad]

Do you call Hebron a suburb?

[donning]

Hey - maybe he read that it was in the 'Oxford English Dictionary.'

[VoiceofBaghdad]

The Californian edition signed by Gov Albert schwartzipants?

[donning]

Sprechen Sie Englisch?

Nein, ich komme aus Kalifornien.

Ich werde zurück sein.

[annebeck58]

damn, jagoff.. where DO you get this information? HOW are you not aware that MANY (actually ALL) of these settlements are built IN Palestinian TOWNS.. and, when ANYONE calls them "suburbs", I know that person is filled with HASBARA.. (in other words, BULLSHIT). These are not 'suburbs", these are illegal occupations!!! The words our (american) reporters use to describe these illegal occupations are "SUBURBS" and "NEIGHBORHOODS" and it is according to the Hasbara Project that they're okay!

[donning]

Is Hebron a suburb?

[realstress]

To donning,

Hebron is a city, where Abraham, his legal son Isac, his other son (made with his servant) Ismael, his nephew Yaakov (Israel) are buried, each with his wife, in the Cave of the Patriarchs.

[annebeck58]

That's what the idiots (from US) call it.

[donning]

Israel is inside Palestinian borders, not the other way around. Yet American news networks repeatedly describe Israel as having two hostile 'Palestinian entities' on its borders.

[donning]

Oh they're clicking the little thumbs down icons now. That'll teach us. Haha - you go tigers.

[annebeck58]

donning;;;

hahaha. (go tigers).. that's hilarious! Yes, they must feel that IF they continue to mark everything we say as "bad content" that others simply will not see it. That's SO FUNNY. I mean, if what we were saying was not true, would they not leave it as is and merely provide factual information to refute it? --- OHHHHH.. I get it, they HAVE nothing to refute what we say.

Hey, kids, truth will get YOU each and every time!!

[donning]

''A Palestinian state can and will exist only after USA will return Texas to Mexico. You know why, you ignorant ?''

What the fuck? Did you ever read quite such maladroit, pointless and totally irrelevant drivel? When all else fails, it comes down to race or religion with these types.

[annebeck58]

Nope.. And, when they cannot get me to respond to them, here, they try to spam my channel.. Thanks, donnning..

NOw, for the idiots', dippies, I have my comments section set to private, so if you send your crap there, I don't read it.., I just DELETE it! I also am not bothering to read your tripe here, any longer. (that was addressed toward all of the jackasses who have spammed my channel overnight, I don't remember your names because I don't find you very interesting).

[BoriChumba]

There's quite a few video's on this site alone, which show proof of how the zionist Jews treat Christians in Israel, going about mocking Jesus (pbuh) and taunting them. They also terrorise authodox Jews .. that is the REAL Jews not the ashkenazi ones!

[donning]

Sister, these wankers are hysterically funny. I love these guys. I'll wager he's never been to Gaza; I have. It is a matter of documented fact that Muslims have done more to preserve the integrity of Christian Holy sites than Israel has. You would imagine that a people who have been through such travails might be chary of inflicting the same upon others. Sadly not.

[BoriChumba]

Brother, I hear what you are saying and agree 100%! One would be nothing more than a numb skull to believe their propaganda. I have studied Nazi propaganda ploys, & its being used now in our days on a wider scale .. very dangerous to say the least! With a bit of intelligent research into historical 'facts' one will realise that Islam & Muslims are not as the re-written historical facts imply! Utterly shameful & darn right disgusting!

[Dodevolf]

Actually 78% of the British mandate went to Jordan. Christians can only continue living safely in the Gaza Strip if they accept Islamic law, including a ban on alcohol and on women roaming publicly without proper head coverings, an Islamist militant leader in Gaza told WND in an exclusive interview.

The militant leader said Christians in Gaza who engage in "missionary activity" will be "dealt with harshly."

Which state is the apartheid state?

[donning]

Dodevolf - Israel is the apartheid state.

[Dodevolf]

In what way? I mean Arabs serve in the Israeli Military, they are in the Kenesset and in the Cabinet. They can buy property in Israel, they can vote. They have the right to redress there grevences in the legislature and in the supreme court. All of these defy your calim that Israel is the apartheid state.

[donning]

The fact that dispossessed, displaced Palestinians are forced to subsist in what amount to giant concentration camps, affirm this claim. The fact that Israel exists beyond its borders affirms this claim. The fact that Israel employs policies that restrict freedom of movement as well as food and fuel supplies affirms this claim. As I said, I've been to see for myself. Israel is a rogue, terrorist state.

[Dodevolf]

It is you who is showing ignorance. The commanding general of the Israeli border police is an Arab Muslim. The elite scout unit of the IDF is made up of Bedoin who are also Muslim Arabs. There are many Druize solders in the IDF. This is indisputable. Arabs are allowed to own buy and sell land in Israel. There are entire neighborhoods in Haifa, Acco, and other villages, towns and cities throughout Israel. Your facts are wrong. No arabs are being forced out of Israel.