If jesus was a real person, he was most likely a starving, unloved homeless guy in the heart of Roman-controlled Palestine who probably had a myriad of mental illnesses and hallucinations that prompted him to vocalize his internal sufferings in the form of preachings and incoherent bumblings in an attempt to rationalize the voices in his head as the words of an omnicient, benevolent god, which eventually led to the self-imposed delusion that he was the "son of the Hebrew god."
I certainly agree with their point that we need to avoid un-skeptically latching onto just ANY anti-religion argument. For instance, there are a LOT of problems in the Bible, but many of the issues often claimed as such are refuted quite well by apologists, I must admit. It's not enough to point out apparent moral issues and contradictions in the alleged scriptures--we must distinguish between the real problems and the easily-refuted criticisms. Otherwise, the apologists will think we're dupes.
For you christians out there. The thing is, everyone has their own beliefs and I have mine. So would you please be so kind and stop shoveling your beliefs down my throat?
@ManBat1066 and you know this how? have you seen hell, have you seen heaven, I don't think so
So where is your evidence that there is a hell, heaven or god, and where is your evidence that that god is the christian god outside of that one book?
@ManBat1066 LOL, an atheist video wouldn't be an atheist video without a theist coming on here with the threat of hell fire. I don't think you guys get it, so let me tell it to you nicely. We don't believe in hell, and everytime you threaten us with hell if anything you make us more atheist. That let's us know you cannot form a decent argument to defend your position so as a last resort you bring up hell in the hope that you can scare us into belief. Unless you have proof of hell it won't work.
@ManBat1066 Atheists like myself don't believe in god, allah, yahwey, zeus, thor, satan, heaven, hell, etc. We know those are mythological deities and places. Religion starts getting a person into dangerous waters especially when they start messing around with death. Beliefs informs your actions and that is why religion turns me off. Look at the crusades, Spanish inquisition, 911, etc.
it's stupid to believe that one should judge a few people and say that everyone that they judge is the same.i take all the facts both scientific and religious . also iam a christian. before you judge others and look at yourself. when you judge others you judge your self.if i said all whites are racist because of slavery 400 years would i be right or wrong? times change there for life changes. you should never put hate before love of your fellow man. people that spew hate get hated.known fact.
matt made a very good point. i saw that video about jesus and the 3 wise men being based on orions belt and whatnot. i didnt come across any evidence that his claim was true. sure it agrees with me in the general area that jesus isnt credible, but at the same time, i have no reason to believe that claim either. its much better to stick with the evidence and say what you actually know instead of saying what you think you know. and if you dont know it, then just admit it. it lessens confusion.
I'm not an atheist, but I think Matt Dillahunty is actually making sense. I encounter some atheist who blindly BUY into ways of thinking that seem to correlate with their previous ideology, without implementing any logical scrutiny in doing so.
For example: "Christians don't believe in science" ... I understand for what purpose some atheists may use this sentence... but there are some 'dim bulbs' who actually believe this! Snide remarks becoming ardent truths. Good video.
Haha Dillahunty has studied more than you I combined. He knows more about the bible and certainly doesn't make claims that he can't back up. Unlike you. When you realize your "god" is just an imaginary friend used as a security blanket to inflate your ego, get over yourself.
@Sysknot1 Everyone is entitled to there beliefs leave them alone well fuck that no I won't if thats the case there is a wine bar floating in space and baccus pours the drinks it's all mythology and christianity is heading the same way
We all assess claims and ideas constantly and in order to make progress we sometimes have to simply compare ideas against our worldview and make a quick assessment.
This isn't always a bad thing as we cant sit down and assess the merits in great detail on all claims we hear.
I think the only protection against this type of prejudicial thinking is to ensure that you do on a reasonably regular basis challenge what you think you know. Ask questions. Be open minded when you have the time to be.
I agree with what you're saying, I do find myself only typing for things on the net that reinforce my world view, and I find that when I find these things it is easy for the mind to be lazing and to go along with it.
With the internet, nomatter how wild your view you will always be able to find someone or something which reinforces it, even if it's a half truth.
This kind of circular reinforcement poisons the mind by distorting reality because it stunts rationality and free thought.
The one bit that kinda pissed me off about this vid. Was Matt's refutation of the importance for someone to state thier belief before they make an arguement. A basic understanding of where a persons coming from is absolutely essential to engage with the person you're arguing with effectively. e.g. I believe in God but I'm not going to tell you what faith I hold. Otherwise you are alway going to attack the "straw man"
Christian belief is not christian belife, it's only one by one, yes, one by one human pushed to death, without our conciousness, there is an answer to this, this is too little sick, to know, true is not what our minds are thinking, more and more you can get of this, but we are humans, we oppose to others at the beginning, then chaos is done, think what you believe? no, think what you feel you are, without any influences because you are one within. Is religion really means something for you? NO.
@Rovization If you're attempting to lay out an argument for something here, you may want to collect your ideas and learn to articulate them better. None of what you typed makes any sense.
@halonone I've already been down that road with this one. Rovization's first language doesn't appear to be english, and he doesn't respond to advice on syntax with anything more intelligible than this.
FWIW he spammed this response to six videos at once....
After a couple of back and forths, I gave up. Save yourself the effort.
The music at the start of this video sort of 'sets the mood' don't you think? I mean, it sort of makes you want to come off the top turnbuckle and splash a fuckin' fundie doesn't it?
The thing is Jesus was as common a name back then in Isael as John or Steve (or Mohammad as a UK study last year has shown) but we don't KNOW if there was an ACTUAL man named Jesus who was going around under the title 'Son of God'...it's a possibility, but we won't know for sure
i watched first zeitgeist several times and i have to say that i didnt pick up the jesus part conveying a message that there was no rabi named jesus, ever, to whom the fictional god-jesus character in the bible would owe the name. the message first part conveys imho is that the jesus myth is a plagiarisation or more gently.. a mutation of previous desert tales. it says the tale of jesus is a twist on previous tales but that doesnt exclude that there might have been a person named jesus
The simplest message is think for yourself. Never accept anything at face value just because you like how it sounds. Always be ready to question anything. Have an open, but rationally skeptical mind.
How is the claim that there is little or no evidence for "historical Jesus" any different than the central atheist claim for little or no evidence for deity? Claims for lack of evidence merely place the burden of proof back where it belongs, with those making the positive claims in the first place. How does Zeitgeist, or any claims that nearly every supernatural claim for Jesus are completely preceded by many other gods/prophets, make atheism look bad? This is dangerously close to apologetic.
The christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun.
@mootybog Iv watched it m8, its nonsense. I think its quite obvious that Jesus existed. You have to look at the ALL the evidence. E.g. We are 99% sure, (due to numerous independent ccontemporary accounts), that St peter was crucified upside down because he thought he was unworthy of the same death as Jesus. Peter was an eyewitness to Jesus, would he really give up his life in such a gruesome manner over somone he knew didn't even exist? Thats the kind of evidence that should also be noted.
@mootybog lol alrite m8. As free as your mind maybe, it could certainly do with some educating.
"brainwashed" said the guy who thinks christianity is a parody of the sun.
We know peter died via crucifixtion, its a historical FACT. Do you honestly think he would give up his life for somone he knew didn't exist? remember im not claiming jesus was god, just that he existed.
you ironically argued my point, ANYTHING can be said it doesnt mean its fucking true
do you know for a fact there was a st peter? no you dont, you read a book and you think its fact
on the other hand something is fact is that the sun has been there since the beginning of time therefore giving more evidence to the phrase i quoted before
@mootybog Lol beleive me or not, im not too fussed.
"do you know for a fact there was a st peter" Yes, as far as basic historical standards go for evaluating the existance of a historical figure. Like i said, there are contemporary sources (from non christians) that report st peters death. If you don't believe them, then you have no good reason to believe any historical accounts. Do you not think that the romans would have mentioned Christianity being a parody of the sun?
@mootybog Do you not think that the romans would have mentioned somwhere that Christianity was a parody of the sun? Even the jews from that period of time did not deny his existance.
@sned10000 the church controlled the government back then anyway it was just a good way to keep everyone motivated.. or like gervais says a babysitter
@mootybog "the church controlled the government back" No it didn't. The romans didn't convert to christianity till around 390 AD. Christians were treated with immense cruelty up untill that time.
@mootybog I thinks its no coincidence that the only people to EVER deny Jesus'' existance are the people who have lived the furthest away from his lifetime
@sned10000"I thinks its no coincidence that the only people to EVER deny Jesus'' existance are the people who have lived the furthest away from his lifetime
sned10000" REALLY? well the Pew trust released a study on religion that said (at least in the US) that atheists and agnostics answer questionaires on religion in such a manner as to demonstrate a more thorough understanding of the theologies involved.
@sned10000 "would he really give up his life in such a gruesome manner over somone he knew didn't even exist?"
I don't know; would 19 individuals crash planes into buildings and kill thousands for a god they knew didn't exist?
The question is stupid because the answer is plainly YES, they would. The point being that they BELIEVED their god exists and that excludes the possibility in their thinking that they could be dying for a fairy tale. Is that really so difficult to grasp?
@moopism You can't compare the suicide bombers with the the first Christians. The suicide bombers were brainwashed from birth to believe what they did. The whole point about the first Christians (including St Peter) was that they were originally Jews. Those people saw something extraordinary that completely changed their religious beliefs, so much so they died for them. They were all brought up from birth as Jews. Not at all the same as the muslim suicide bombers.
@sned10000 I can and I did. Yo posited the question would a person die for a fantasy, nothing you've said about what they think they've seen changes that. People with mental illnesses see and hear compelling things that aren't real all the time.
So far you haven't demonstrated there's a difference, especially a difference between followers of different deities.
So my point stands. YES people are willing to die for unfounded beliefs. Don't hedge on that just because you agree with some of them.
@moopism Iol you can babble all you want. The suicide bombers are not comparable. The Christians were real martyrs; that is, they were persecuted & killed, for their faith. The suicide bombers are mass murderers; they kill others for their faith. The suicide bombers use their bodies as lethal weapons to do mass murder. That is not martyrdom but homicide. If you want to believe their the same thing, thats up to you.
@sned10000 Babble? When so far you're argument boils down to "fairy tale A is superior to fairy tale B"?
Martyrdom is in the eye of the beholder, and just as many followers of Islam consider such as martyrs. So far you still haven't addressed to core point, which is:
People die for imaginary beliefs all the time, so using that as a proof of christianity is merely pleading special exception to YOUR chosen fantasy. THAT'S ALL.
@moopism "you're argument boils down to fai....." No, my argument was over whether or not Jesus existed, I mentioned the first Christian martyrs as evidence for Jesus' existence.
"fairy tale A is superior to fairy tale B" This is just wrong anyway; The original martyrs were eyewitnesses to something that changed them, The suicide bombers were brainwashed from birth. Im not using this as "proof" for Christianity, there is no "proof". Just like there is no "proof" for your atheistic beliefs.
@sned10000 You're still pleading special exception for your chosen religion. You have no more evidence for what you're contending than they do, and you're just as brainwashed as they are, or else you'd provide some clear unequivocal proofs for what you say.
Maybe you missed this part in school, but I don't have to prove a negative. You make the claim for jesus and god and all the rest, you prove that. My rejecting your claim doesn't constitute a claim on my part.
@moopism What are talking about? i was giving evidence for the existence of Jesus. The first martyrs are evidence for Jesus' existence, not evidence for Christianity, your a little slow aren't you.
When i said "atheistic beliefs" i mean the fact that you don't believe the universe had an intelligence behind it, i.e god. Your perfectly justified in denying Christianity, but to say there was no intelligence behind the origins of the universe, that requires faith.
@sned10000 What are YOU talking about? The first martyrs? There ARE NO FIRST HAND accounts. there are no manuscripts that can be dated earlier than 225C.E. so all we have are purported accounts at least 150 years after the fact that CLAIM these events took place. So what you claim as evidence does not, in fact prove the story is real.
So yeah, you are a little slow.
I was also under the impression that faith meant acceptance of something that is unfounded. I have no reason to have faith.
@moopism "does not, in fact prove the story is real" Would you stop going on about proof. Im not saying its proof! it was evidence for the existence of Jesus, the other guy i was talking to, thought Jesus never existed.
"no manuscripts that can be dated earlier than 225C.E" Thats just bullshit, are you being serious?
Just look at St Peter, we have numerous, independent, contemporary accounts (most written by non Christians) reporting St Peters death via upside down crucifixion.
@sned10000 Until you can demonstrate to me that the universe owes its existence to this alleged invisible being, I see no reason to accept the claim it exists. That doesn't require faith, that is the refusal put faith in a myth. Honestly, your grasp of English is piss poor
@moopism There is no good evidence for either of our beliefs. The same evidence can lead people in completely different directions, for example i would submit the extraordinary processes involved with DNA to RNA to protein as evidence for an intelligence, you on the other hand would think there was no intelligence involved, and that DNA is a result of an unguided process. You can deny it all you want, but you have faith. Faith is a belief without solid evidence. so unless you can demonstrate
@moopism to me how this universe could have come about via unguided processes, it remains faith, unless of course you have evidence for this claim. Im sticking with Einstein's theory that there is an intelligence behind the universe, you can believe what you want, we both have faith as we don't have solid evidence. Seeing as im catholic, i do have more faith than you because i don't just think there is a god, i also believe in a certain perception of god, but you still have some faith.
@sned10000 So what? You argue like you slept through most of your classes. seriously, you haven't yet made one cogent point that establishes the credibility of the belief system you seem to find so self evident.
you can tout your education all you want, but in practical terms, a fat lot of good it seems to have done you.
You started with martyrs and I countered with the known fact that people die for imagined crap all the time. Is THAT the best you've got to contend for your faith?
@moopism No, you started with martyrs. That was a post to discussion i had months ago. You come out of nowhere claiming that i was using martyrs as "proof" for Christianity, when i wasn't/
"you haven't yet made one cogent point that .." Iv told you why i think this universe has an intelligible mind behind it. iv stated evidence such as DNA, universe fine tuning etc. What evidence can you give for the universe forming as a result of unguided processes?
@sned10000 "Peter was an eyewitness to Jesus, would he really give up his life in such a gruesome manner over somone he knew didn't even exist? Thats the kind of evidence that should also be noted."
You posted this on a public forum, if you meant this to be a private discussion, then you should have posted elsewhere. Now that we've cleared THAT up, you STILL haven't offered anything to bolster this argument.
I don't care at this point about DNA. Deal with this first. Or would you concede?
@moopism " over *someone* he knew didn't even exist?" Like i said i was giving evidence for the existence of Jesus, not evidence for Christianity. If you read the posts before you'll see that the guy i was talking to thought Jesus was just a parody of the sun. I was showing him why historically, we're 99% certain Jesus existed.
Are you suggesting Jesus never existed.
"I don't care at this point" lol why so evasive? You admit then that as an atheist, you have a belief on the grounds of faith?
@sned10000@moopism " Like i said i was giving evidence for the existence of Jesus, not evidence for Christianity."
Now you're mincing words. You provided what you claim as proof and I questioned how that proves the point. You dodged.
When I said "I don't care at this point", I CLEARLY meant that I am not interested in changing to another debate when you haven't adequately addressed this one. Still haven't, in fact. Based on that alone, why should I anticipate you'd engage more effectively?
@moopism Im mincing words? thats rich. What don't you understand? Quote me where i said the martyrs are proof for Christianity?
lol even that quote you used before, where i said " over someone he knew didn't even exist?" shows that i am talking about Jesus' existence. I keep saying its not proof for Christianity. Rather, evidence for Jesus' existence. If im saying the martyrs are not proof for Christianity, why do you keep going on about it? I take it your admitting you have faith then.
@sned10000 You haven't provided any proof that the story of peter is historical, that he existed, that he knew jesus, that either of them died the deaths tradition imparts to them. Before you start regurgitating the bible, there are no extent manuscripts that come any closer than 150 years after the fact, there is no proof they were authored by the one's tradition claims wrote them.
There are in fact known forgeries, and a faith motivated to make these assertions by the time they appear. SO?
@moopism 400 years after their death. The ancient world did not have photography, telephones etc. A great deal of famous ancient events rely on hearsay. Do you think Jesus did not exist?
@sned10000 I think whether a person named jesus existed and the claims of the gospels are two separate issues, but if push comes to shove, then, no, I don't think they can be established to have happened. Hearsay is inadmissible in court for a reason.
@moopism which we know was written at most 40 years after his death. If you don't accept anything in the bible using the basic historical standards i.e Multiple attestation, historical context, linguistic analysis and Author's agenda; then you have no good reason to believe in nearly all the ancient historical documents. Even everything you've said about the Aztecs relies on hearsay accounts taken by the spanish from the Aztec citizens. The standard for writing a Roman emperors biography was
@sned10000 Additionally, there are disturbing parallels between pagan suh theologies and christianity, so the claim isn't a stretch at all. If you're response was that no one would die for the sun, then I ask you to look into Aztec and Mayan mythologies, both of which had human sacrifice to the sun, of whom some of the victims were honored volunteers.
On top of it, the willingness of anyone to die for a mythical belief is hardly proof of historicity. I'm not being evasive, this is your point.
@moopism As far as we know the Aztecs sacrificed captives, there is not a single piece of evidence to suggest there were any volunteers. where did you get that from? Also, like the Islamic suicide bombers, the Aztecs were brainwashed from birth with those beliefs. The Christians completely changed their religious beliefs. Again this is evidence for Jesus' existence, not proof for Christianity. Your being evasive on answering whether you acknowledge your own faith based beliefs.
@sned10000 "The Christians completely changed their religious beliefs. "
Well, it could just as easily be said the Spanish imposed Christianity on a less technologically advanced people at gunpoint. That IS historically accurate, and STILL doesn't prove jesus ever even existed.
@sned10000 During the 20-day month of Toxcatl, a young impersonator of Tezcatlipoca would be sacrificed. Throughout a year, this youth would be dressed as Tezcatlipoca and treated as a living incarnation of the God. The youth would represent Tezcatlipoca on earth; he would get four beautiful women as his companions until he met his destiny, in the meantime he walked through the streets of Tenochtitlan playing a flute...
@moopism Where does it say they volunteered? Are you implying that only Christians believe a historical Jesus existed? Your the one whos being slippery. I honestly have no idea what your playing at. Do you not know the difference from showing evidence for the existence of an historical figure and showing "proof" for a religious belief? And why do you keep saying there is no document for over 150 years after the event? Clement of Rome wrote about it in his Letter to the Corinthians,
@moopism Of course when i talk about accepting events in the bible, i don't mean the miracles, but it is quite clear that the gospels are based on a real person.
@sned10000 So is mother goose. it tells a compelling tale about a women in poverty living in a shoe, beating her children. Does that make it real?
If you're going to dispense with the miraculous (and my question is why), then why bother using the bible as a phliosophical prop at all? Doesn't that render it useless? If you aren't willing to defend the miracles, what's the need to defend it at all?
Isn't the reason to attempt to prove historicity of the gospels to establish a basis for that?
@moopism "So is mother goose" What your forgetting is that mother goose is a fairytale. Christianity is a part of history. Something strange happened back then that caused Christianity.
No i believe in the miracles, my point is, even if the miracles were not true, a man called Jesus still existed.
"pwned" lol shut up you geek. keep the nerd slang to yourself if you want to make a serious point.
Again where does it say there volunteered? and why do you give the Aztec accounts more veracity than
@sned10000 You still haven't addressed the central claim you made. i.e., that the martyrs would only die for something real. You side stepped every example I've given otherwise, including getting pwned on the Aztecs, and now you just ignore the point?
@moopism the Christian accounts, even though they both rely on hearsay?
"martyrs would only die for something real" just think about it logically for a second. The first Christians, (who were Jews originally) gave their lives over something they saw. They didn't just change their Jewish religion over nothing. Any other "martyrs" died for what they were taught from birth, theres a HUGE difference. The historical Jesus almost certainly existed if you look at all the evidence logically.
@sned10000 "Any other "martyrs" died for what they were taught from birth, theres a HUGE difference."
HOW is this a difference at all? That's a great sounding assertion, but you've failed to demonstrate that's the case. Just repeating it over and over won't substantiate it. HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT??????????
I have thought about it logically, and found that all kinds of people have willingly died for things they thought were real that weren't.
@sned10000 "Any other "martyrs" died for what they were taught from birth, theres a HUGE difference. The historical Jesus almost certainly existed"
Well mohamed certainly exisited and people wilingly die for their interpretation of what he taught, so how does a historical jesus matter?
For that matter, if a christian died for his faith today, they'd still call him a martyr, and that martyr didn't live in the same period as jesus, or see him, so he was taught this as well.
@moopism "Hearsay is inadmissible in court for a reason" You really don't understand how history works do you. This would mean your talk about the Aztecs, is complete nonsense then, seeing as most of what we know about them is from hearsay. Anyways, if you don;t want to think that Jesus never existed, then thats up to you. But my point still stands; you as an atheist, has faith.
@sned10000 On the day of the sacrifice a feast would be held in Tezcatlipoca's honor. The young man would climb the pyramid, break his flute and surrender his body to the priests. Sahagún compared it to the Christian Easter.
^ Bernardino de Sahagún, Historia General de las Cosas de la Nueva España, ed. a cargo de Ángel Ma. Garibay (México: Editorial Porrúa, 2006)
" the Aztecs sacrificed captives, there is not a single piece of evidence to suggest there were any volunteers"
@lulhoofd1 lol, and by that do you mean St Nicolas, because as a historical figure he did exist too.
The historical figure Jesus existed too. I'm not making any religuous claims, just stating facts. These guys claim to skeptics, but does that mean they don't believe in any historical figures because Science can't prove it.
The point is that saying that there is evidence isn't an argument in and of itself. I kinda hoped that you would say ''But there is no proof of santa, he is a fairytale'' and then I could reply with excactly the same response towards your claim about evidence of christ.
Sure maybe he existed, in some form or another, but saying that there is evidence floating out there somewhere doesn't proof anything. Provide the evidence or gtfo.
lol, "i'm european", well i was mostly refering to the guys in the video.
Well obviously my sarcastic five worded comment wasn't an argument.
All academic scholars believe the Historical Jesus existed. The "Majestic Christ" is different from the "Historical Jesus" I might add. hmmm, i'm not going to go into specifics but will suggest you read Bart D Ehrman, a leading scholar in the area (I will also add he is an agnostic, so you will think he is less biased).
I honestly couldn't care less wether the guy, in some form, existed or not. I was just annoyed by the fact that you would just state that there is evidence that he exists whilst not even providing said evidence. That is all.
I don't care if jesus existed and mythological bullshit doesn't deserve to be seen as a scientific claim that should be shown respect in investigating. It already has been and religion has never given me any reason to respect it nor anyone who says they're a theist but don't believe it all. If they can't wear the outfit, what the fuck are they doing claiming they're a member of the team?!
Man's religions deserve all the scorn and ridicule we can muster. Man's top two religions, christianity and islam, are particularly odious owing to the misery, suffering and death they have caused.
sound advice i take it to heart lots of good people do use religion for comfort just because i dont agree with them that its the truth dosent mean they are bad people yes i need to keep my head about it still i belive religion is wrong not all the people though
The problem with the clash of religion and science is that science attempts to seek the truth, even if it overturns old concepts and doctrine, and even if it means not knowing the answers to some things right now... Religion just aims to give a simple answer to everything "God done it, so shut up and stop asking questions"
"The appearance of design in the universe is overwhelming but we can’t afford to attribute design to an actual designer because then we must explain the origin of the designer.” The God Delusion R.Dawkins.Just accept it, design & fine-tuning are obvious. Now give me a naturalistic eplanation? Maybe u can shoot a dart across the universe & with luck, hit a 20 cm target 4 times in a row. I just dont have enough faith to be an atheist!
@dashan091 How does that even make sense? 1st of all atheism isn't a faith it's a LACK of belief in ANY gods, NOT a claim that there aren't any. BUT even if it were a "faith" so what? I thought Christians and other theists believed faith was a GOOD thing. That is the most contradictory and annoying theist argument argument ever. U praise belief in things w/o evidence 1 min. then bash it the next. So retarded. Also APPEARANCE of design MAY or may NOT imply a designer. We don't know yet.
@dashan091 I like how people like you who just readily accept ID & FT. The very basis of your hypothesis is "everything LOOKS designed, hence there must be a designer/creator", this idiocy alone requires far more faith in believing than disbelieving, trust me:)
And even IF there is a omnipotent designer, he is doing a f@#king bad job in designing us, life and our solar systems.
Remember solving the mysteries of the universe with a bigger mystery is not the answer and it never will be.
@zh1412 Maybe u think I said: "The appearance of design in the universe is overwhelming but we can’t afford to attribute design to an actual designer because then we must explain the origin of the designer.” But it was Richard Dawkin's!! Atheism does have blind faith in science or more specifically naturalism that it will one day explain how all the physical constants fit into absurdly narrow life permitting values!
@dashan091 To say that these constants conspired to produce life by blind forces&mindless processes are the great cosmological myths of our times. Atheism has to invent a multiverse to circumvent a single designed universe. If such an absurd theory (for which there is NO evidence) came out of a religious text it would be a laughing stock. Such is the desperation of a worldview that offers no hope, no wisdom & no escape!
@dashan091 The multiverse theory is not presented as a fact, it is simply an idea.
I for one don't know how the universe started but I know when it happened and that were moving away from the spot
A human has never gone past the moonThis universe is so huge n old how can we possibly think with our 300 years of science n recent emergence from trees that were going to know much about it
People who profess they know its secrets are mistaken. Im sorry to say they are usually religious people
@supersmash43 But isn't that exactly how the religious people view how Atheists should be treated? Why would you want to behave the same way that some believers act towards Atheists? Acting this way will only lead to more conflicts between both parties.
@043367747 making a joke out of Mohammed can cause people to go on violent protests. Religion has zero tolerance to criticism which is what people like me are trying to dispel.
@043367747 Athiesm is not an indefensible worldview but some of the claims that masquerade as knockdown argument, the resort to obscenities, insults & expletives and the misinformation here is so tragic it's laughible. BTW failed and fallacious religions & their exponents have nothing to do with the existence of God. The world is like a kindergarden full of infants trying to dismantle an image of God with the wrong set of blocks
@dashan091 Dont make the mistake of painting a whole group of people with one brush. I have the foresight to know religious people are a hugely diverse group from all countries, backgrounds and political persuasions. I myself was one, and many religious people become non religious.
The difference between a religious person and a non religious person is in fact a very subtle thing, and thats a belief in god... Believing in god or not believing does not define you as a person.
@supersmash43 I'm not a religious person. Religion means nothing to me, and I don't care if other people spend their time worshiping some god. You shouldn't either. It's just not worth it.
Besides, religion makes some people happy. It didn't make me happy, which is why I'm not religious anymore, but it makes some people happy. I'm not willing to take that from them. Neither should you.
@PSNLanceManley I don't want to take anything from anyone except when it is detrimental their beliefs shouldn't be allowed to be detrimental (unfortunately that's too often the case).
@supersmash43 Athiests deserve to be bashed for denying the laws of chemistry physics and math. Athiests always turn out to be Jew world order scum always attack Jesus and lie about mossad being behind 9 11. 6 -3 aint 6 and 3 - 2 aint zero. Athiests have no problem with the prophecy of Jew mossad agents claiming and I quote they were there to document the event 9 explain hwy you would be there to document a event you did not know will happen) answer that you Zionist decievers
@moopism come about from an intelligence. Now this can be explained by either two things,
1. an intelligible force i.e god
2. we live in an infinite amount of universes i.e multiverse hypothesis
The multiverse hypothesis could explain how we ended up with this fine tuned universe without a god, However there is no good evidence to suggest it is true. So you believe the universe does not have a designer, even though the laws of nature are perfect for life.
I'm an Atheist and homosexuality DISGUST me. Being disgusted by homosexuals is an evolutionary response. Faggots coming around is a signal that straight men are not availabe for the opposite sex. Some pro gay atheists are trying to do exactly what they condemn and that's brainwash men to supress a natural feeling of disgust. Atheists are trying to indoctrinate people in a similar way that people have been indoctrinated to believe God exist.
Excellent message here. I believe it was Daniel Dennett who said something to the effect of "There's nothing I hate more than a bad argument for a cause i hold dear".
I tend to agree - if you've got a solid case for what you believe, you should be able to back it up with well researched arguments that survive your critical scrutiny, and to accept claims in favor of what you believe without applying critical thinking to them is simply lazy, and a bad idea.
@moopism Again, i wasn't trying to prove Christianity. Christianity cannot be proven. And yes you do have faith, this shouldn't be hard to grasp. We have a universe that is fine tuned to harbour life. If just onee of the physical constants (e.g proton mass) were to be different by a fraction, then we would not exist; matter could not function properly, gravity would collapse in on itself etc. Basically the universe has a blueprint, and by using logic and reason, i would conclude that blueprints
Is this a version of internet stuttering where you post the two versions of the same statement. LOL you are one weak minded fool.
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You do not confess to a statement someone else made, you either agree or disagree with it you dumb ass.
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You take a few facts, mix it with a few lies and twist them until you think no one can see the truth. Typical Christian tactics, but when you peddle bullshit you really have no other choice I guess.
Wow you do not even wait for your posts to be pushed off page 1 before you contradict them. You said "now apologise for accusing me of lying", then you said that you "don"t want an apology".
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This is typical of your circular thinking. You total disregard the truth. That is amazing. Why do you lie so much? Is that an official sun worshiper, oh sorry Christian, doctrine?
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God = Jesus Christ = Sun = Sun Worship = 2 Billion Christian Fools
BTW I know you are not to smart so I thought I should tell you to hold your breath and wait for an apology from me as it will be coming as soon as I start to worship the sun and believe in talking snakes. Remember no breathing until I apologize. Now I know you Christians like to bend the rules and pick and choose what you want to, but it is important that you hold your breath until I apologize or it will not work.
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God + 1 Talking Snake = Jesus Christ = Sun = Sun Worship
Anyone can say they are an Atheist, just like anyone can say they are a Christian. If you believe in a god you will find a way to justify your fantasy. Just because you found some dumb SOB that says he is an Atheist does not mean he is. If you say any religion is legitimate you are not an Atheist. Atheism is the rejection of all gods. You cannot endorse god and say your an Atheist and be taken serious by any reasonable person. Again you are either a lier or a dumb ass.
LOL You say "Michael Ruse is an Atheist philosopher". What a lie, again an example of Christian integrity. Ruse takes the position that it is possible to reconcile the Christian faith with evolutionary theory. That is you and your sun god, not Atheism.
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Don't you have a set of 10 laws one of which says you are not allowed to lie? Oh that is right you got some pore Jew to pay your sin bill for you. Wow it is a good thing you believe in him and not Mohammad.
Wow a complete physiological profile made from a YouTube page. I bet you work for Scotland Yard. I guess you have me all figured out.
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Another typical response from Christians when they run out of bullshit to spread. If you can ever think of anything useful to say come back and try again.
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God = Jesus Christ = Sun = Sun Worship = 2 Billion Christian Fools + 1 Dumb as Dirt CartesianTheist
My initial thought about Anthony Flew was that he was a sun worshiper disguising himself as an atheist then claiming to see the light and giving people like you something to hold onto when they are getting their asses kicked. However under closer examination of the situation I think he is still an atheist and doing it for profit. You know to sell books. You still wind up the sucker, man everyone is playing you. It must suck to be you. LOL
LOL Anthony Flew, are you kidding me? I would not call him a theist or even a philosopher for that matter and definitely not a giant, but I would call him a successful capitalist. He successfully exploited your weak mind into buying his load of shit. How much did it cost you? LOL What a fool you are. Come on man is this not embarrassing for you?
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God = Jesus Christ = Sun = Sun Worship = 2 Billion Christians
There is a classification for this type of thinking and it is called Agnostic not Atheism. You should change the name of your show to "The Agnostic Experience"
LOL you teaching Philosophy. That is like the blind leading the blind. I am sure I have made the comment several times about Christianity and Philosophy not being compatible. You teaching Philosophy is just not a good idea, you must 1st have the capability to think logically and you clearly cannot do that. It would be a catastrophe for you to teach anything except for sun worship. I am sure you would be good at that. Magic and myth are your specialties.
i enjoyed this vid
jjclassjj 4 weeks ago
If jesus was a real person, he was most likely a starving, unloved homeless guy in the heart of Roman-controlled Palestine who probably had a myriad of mental illnesses and hallucinations that prompted him to vocalize his internal sufferings in the form of preachings and incoherent bumblings in an attempt to rationalize the voices in his head as the words of an omnicient, benevolent god, which eventually led to the self-imposed delusion that he was the "son of the Hebrew god."
Forlo12345 1 month ago
I certainly agree with their point that we need to avoid un-skeptically latching onto just ANY anti-religion argument. For instance, there are a LOT of problems in the Bible, but many of the issues often claimed as such are refuted quite well by apologists, I must admit. It's not enough to point out apparent moral issues and contradictions in the alleged scriptures--we must distinguish between the real problems and the easily-refuted criticisms. Otherwise, the apologists will think we're dupes.
Megaritz 2 months ago
For you christians out there. The thing is, everyone has their own beliefs and I have mine. So would you please be so kind and stop shoveling your beliefs down my throat?
TigerEyeNoxera 2 months ago
I wonder how many people who follow The Atheist Experience even understand--or bother to understand--the point they're making in this video.
GlorifiedTruth 2 months ago
bashing religions is fun. especially islam because they really don't have any humour at all.
chess012345 2 months ago 2
Refreshing to know that 'members of The ACA' are avoiding 'groupthink'. Yeah!
pompousprick 3 months ago
@ManBat1066 Its true....I hate the christian god, but not as much as i hate those damn leprechauns and their stupid hats.
sheikhyaboooty 4 months ago 4
@sheikhyaboooty Yeah, and that uppity Loch Ness Monster with its long neck and stubby fins....
gspendlove 4 months ago in playlist ae
bwah, religion is extremely dangerous, dont entertain them
rikharde86 4 months ago 2
@rikharde86 Good hosts (TV hosts included) must entertain their guests. :)
stupidrenner 4 months ago
@ManBat1066 and you know this how? have you seen hell, have you seen heaven, I don't think so
So where is your evidence that there is a hell, heaven or god, and where is your evidence that that god is the christian god outside of that one book?
Toudiyama 5 months ago 3
Thank you!
razzlefrog 6 months ago
@ManBat1066 I don't respond well to threats and I don't bow down to kiss any bullies ass. Your God included.
asvoth 6 months ago 2
I like this talk. Way to keep it real, guys. Fuck yeah.
NikTheJew 6 months ago
@ManBat1066 LOL, an atheist video wouldn't be an atheist video without a theist coming on here with the threat of hell fire. I don't think you guys get it, so let me tell it to you nicely. We don't believe in hell, and everytime you threaten us with hell if anything you make us more atheist. That let's us know you cannot form a decent argument to defend your position so as a last resort you bring up hell in the hope that you can scare us into belief. Unless you have proof of hell it won't work.
mmawilldesha 6 months ago 4
@ManBat1066 i think your just trolling, your not really a christian.
majorblood87 6 months ago
@ManBat1066 Your core belief is to CONDEMN people who don't share Your beliefs.
According to Your statement Jesus HATES people who don't worship him.
News Flash. Atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief in any god. A lack of belief isn't Hatred.
tranquility4all 7 months ago 12
@ManBat1066 You can't hate something you don't believe in.
cometrally 7 months ago
@ManBat1066 "The core belief of atheists is hatred of God."
oh yeah ofcourse and darth vader hes a cunt too, dont forget sauron i cant stand him
bigmanoooo1 7 months ago
@ManBat1066 Atheists like myself don't believe in god, allah, yahwey, zeus, thor, satan, heaven, hell, etc. We know those are mythological deities and places. Religion starts getting a person into dangerous waters especially when they start messing around with death. Beliefs informs your actions and that is why religion turns me off. Look at the crusades, Spanish inquisition, 911, etc.
FallofDarkness55 7 months ago
it's stupid to believe that one should judge a few people and say that everyone that they judge is the same.i take all the facts both scientific and religious . also iam a christian. before you judge others and look at yourself. when you judge others you judge your self.if i said all whites are racist because of slavery 400 years would i be right or wrong? times change there for life changes. you should never put hate before love of your fellow man. people that spew hate get hated.known fact.
chrisrogers1229 7 months ago
matt made a very good point. i saw that video about jesus and the 3 wise men being based on orions belt and whatnot. i didnt come across any evidence that his claim was true. sure it agrees with me in the general area that jesus isnt credible, but at the same time, i have no reason to believe that claim either. its much better to stick with the evidence and say what you actually know instead of saying what you think you know. and if you dont know it, then just admit it. it lessens confusion.
mattakudesu 9 months ago
I'm not an atheist, but I think Matt Dillahunty is actually making sense. I encounter some atheist who blindly BUY into ways of thinking that seem to correlate with their previous ideology, without implementing any logical scrutiny in doing so.
For example: "Christians don't believe in science" ... I understand for what purpose some atheists may use this sentence... but there are some 'dim bulbs' who actually believe this! Snide remarks becoming ardent truths. Good video.
MATTCOSSIN 9 months ago
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If its "starting to make sense", question your beliefs more. You're getting there.
drche420 8 months ago
@drche420 I was thinking the same thing of Dillahunt.
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@MATTCOSSIN
Haha Dillahunty has studied more than you I combined. He knows more about the bible and certainly doesn't make claims that he can't back up. Unlike you. When you realize your "god" is just an imaginary friend used as a security blanket to inflate your ego, get over yourself.
drche420 8 months ago
Theres not a moral code atheists have to go by bollocks to it I hope to laugh religion out of existence It deserves to be made fun of :)
blazerrips91 9 months ago 27
@blazerrips91 Agreed. Beliefs this thick and downright insane have to be mocked for the believer to even realize there's a problem.
Sysknot1 8 months ago
@Sysknot1 Everyone is entitled to there beliefs leave them alone well fuck that no I won't if thats the case there is a wine bar floating in space and baccus pours the drinks it's all mythology and christianity is heading the same way
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FallofDarkness55 6 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 Actually he said that religion probably grew out of a children believing their parents absolutely.
ADADEL1 5 months ago
We all assess claims and ideas constantly and in order to make progress we sometimes have to simply compare ideas against our worldview and make a quick assessment.
This isn't always a bad thing as we cant sit down and assess the merits in great detail on all claims we hear.
I think the only protection against this type of prejudicial thinking is to ensure that you do on a reasonably regular basis challenge what you think you know. Ask questions. Be open minded when you have the time to be.
TawntheAtheist 9 months ago
I agree with what you're saying, I do find myself only typing for things on the net that reinforce my world view, and I find that when I find these things it is easy for the mind to be lazing and to go along with it.
With the internet, nomatter how wild your view you will always be able to find someone or something which reinforces it, even if it's a half truth.
This kind of circular reinforcement poisons the mind by distorting reality because it stunts rationality and free thought.
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The one bit that kinda pissed me off about this vid. Was Matt's refutation of the importance for someone to state thier belief before they make an arguement. A basic understanding of where a persons coming from is absolutely essential to engage with the person you're arguing with effectively. e.g. I believe in God but I'm not going to tell you what faith I hold. Otherwise you are alway going to attack the "straw man"
MrLittletomdj 9 months ago
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MrLittletomdj 9 months ago
Christian belief is not christian belife, it's only one by one, yes, one by one human pushed to death, without our conciousness, there is an answer to this, this is too little sick, to know, true is not what our minds are thinking, more and more you can get of this, but we are humans, we oppose to others at the beginning, then chaos is done, think what you believe? no, think what you feel you are, without any influences because you are one within. Is religion really means something for you? NO.
Rovization 9 months ago
@Rovization If you're attempting to lay out an argument for something here, you may want to collect your ideas and learn to articulate them better. None of what you typed makes any sense.
halonone 9 months ago
@halonone why not? just think about reality man.
Rovization 9 months ago
@halonone I've already been down that road with this one. Rovization's first language doesn't appear to be english, and he doesn't respond to advice on syntax with anything more intelligible than this.
FWIW he spammed this response to six videos at once....
After a couple of back and forths, I gave up. Save yourself the effort.
moopism 9 months ago
i love to bash religions, its hilarious that anyone can believe them!
how could you possibly believe man was "made" 6000 years ago when there are REAL HUMAN REMAINS dating 340,000 years...
religions are for fickle minded idiots and people who want to commit genocide but need a reason to do so.
DemoraX 10 months ago
The music at the start of this video sort of 'sets the mood' don't you think? I mean, it sort of makes you want to come off the top turnbuckle and splash a fuckin' fundie doesn't it?
freakystyley4000 10 months ago
The thing is Jesus was as common a name back then in Isael as John or Steve (or Mohammad as a UK study last year has shown) but we don't KNOW if there was an ACTUAL man named Jesus who was going around under the title 'Son of God'...it's a possibility, but we won't know for sure
Tarynus 10 months ago
@Tarynus Jesus and Christ are both Greek words. The Hebrew word for Jesus was Joshua.
humansaretheworld 10 months ago
@humansaretheworld So, he was called Joshua, Son of God? I learn something new every day
Tarynus 10 months ago
@Tarynus no forgive me i may get this slightly wrong but was yeshua... means joshua :)
jjcrazi 9 months ago
"The Atheist Community of Austin"? You're congregating now?
NDC1012 10 months ago
Let's hear it for critical thinking!!!
Airmanf7 10 months ago
VERY well said, Matt and Martin.
seeqer66 10 months ago 12
i watched first zeitgeist several times and i have to say that i didnt pick up the jesus part conveying a message that there was no rabi named jesus, ever, to whom the fictional god-jesus character in the bible would owe the name. the message first part conveys imho is that the jesus myth is a plagiarisation or more gently.. a mutation of previous desert tales. it says the tale of jesus is a twist on previous tales but that doesnt exclude that there might have been a person named jesus
86Corvus 11 months ago
The simplest message is think for yourself. Never accept anything at face value just because you like how it sounds. Always be ready to question anything. Have an open, but rationally skeptical mind.
GermanChocolateCake 11 months ago
How is the claim that there is little or no evidence for "historical Jesus" any different than the central atheist claim for little or no evidence for deity? Claims for lack of evidence merely place the burden of proof back where it belongs, with those making the positive claims in the first place. How does Zeitgeist, or any claims that nearly every supernatural claim for Jesus are completely preceded by many other gods/prophets, make atheism look bad? This is dangerously close to apologetic.
SirLordBeavisEsquire 1 year ago
The christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun.
mootybog 1 year ago
@mootybog lol are you for real?
sned10000 1 year ago
@sned10000 its a quote from someone else
and its true watch zeitgeist and free your mind
mootybog 1 year ago
@mootybog Iv watched it m8, its nonsense. I think its quite obvious that Jesus existed. You have to look at the ALL the evidence. E.g. We are 99% sure, (due to numerous independent ccontemporary accounts), that St peter was crucified upside down because he thought he was unworthy of the same death as Jesus. Peter was an eyewitness to Jesus, would he really give up his life in such a gruesome manner over somone he knew didn't even exist? Thats the kind of evidence that should also be noted.
sned10000 1 year ago
@sned10000 yeah ur a brainwashed douche
mootybog 1 year ago
@mootybog lol alrite m8. As free as your mind maybe, it could certainly do with some educating.
"brainwashed" said the guy who thinks christianity is a parody of the sun.
We know peter died via crucifixtion, its a historical FACT. Do you honestly think he would give up his life for somone he knew didn't exist? remember im not claiming jesus was god, just that he existed.
sned10000 1 year ago
@sned10000 Magic does not exist only illusion does..
there is no santa,easter bunny, tooth fairy and certainly no invisible clown man who knows everything
mootybog 1 year ago
@mootybog once again im not trying to argue the existance of god, rather the existance of jesus. You didn't answer my question about peter.
And "douche"?? I got my dick wet with an ex bra model just a couple of hours ago, what have been up 2? No doubt playing minecraft or some shit
sned10000 1 year ago
@sned10000 lol, and my mum is oprah.
you ironically argued my point, ANYTHING can be said it doesnt mean its fucking true
do you know for a fact there was a st peter? no you dont, you read a book and you think its fact
on the other hand something is fact is that the sun has been there since the beginning of time therefore giving more evidence to the phrase i quoted before
bitch
mootybog 1 year ago
@mootybog Lol beleive me or not, im not too fussed.
"do you know for a fact there was a st peter" Yes, as far as basic historical standards go for evaluating the existance of a historical figure. Like i said, there are contemporary sources (from non christians) that report st peters death. If you don't believe them, then you have no good reason to believe any historical accounts. Do you not think that the romans would have mentioned Christianity being a parody of the sun?
sned10000 1 year ago
@mootybog Do you not think that the romans would have mentioned somwhere that Christianity was a parody of the sun? Even the jews from that period of time did not deny his existance.
sned10000 1 year ago
@sned10000 the church controlled the government back then anyway it was just a good way to keep everyone motivated.. or like gervais says a babysitter
mootybog 1 year ago
@mootybog "the church controlled the government back" No it didn't. The romans didn't convert to christianity till around 390 AD. Christians were treated with immense cruelty up untill that time.
sned10000 1 year ago
@sned10000 ohk you win but there still isnt a god
mootybog 1 year ago
@sned10000 In ancient Rome Christians were persecuted for being atheists. Atheists were people who did not show allegiance to the Roman
emperor who was god by making an offering to him. The ancients understood
the relationship between the monarchy in heaven and the monarchy on earth.
humansaretheworld 10 months ago
@mootybog I thinks its no coincidence that the only people to EVER deny Jesus'' existance are the people who have lived the furthest away from his lifetime
sned10000 1 year ago
@sned10000 He probably did exist but he was just a normal man..
mootybog 1 year ago
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@sned10000"I thinks its no coincidence that the only people to EVER deny Jesus'' existance are the people who have lived the furthest away from his lifetime
sned10000" REALLY? well the Pew trust released a study on religion that said (at least in the US) that atheists and agnostics answer questionaires on religion in such a manner as to demonstrate a more thorough understanding of the theologies involved.
So your statement doesn't hold water.
moopism 9 months ago
@sned10000 "would he really give up his life in such a gruesome manner over somone he knew didn't even exist?"
I don't know; would 19 individuals crash planes into buildings and kill thousands for a god they knew didn't exist?
The question is stupid because the answer is plainly YES, they would. The point being that they BELIEVED their god exists and that excludes the possibility in their thinking that they could be dying for a fairy tale. Is that really so difficult to grasp?
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism You can't compare the suicide bombers with the the first Christians. The suicide bombers were brainwashed from birth to believe what they did. The whole point about the first Christians (including St Peter) was that they were originally Jews. Those people saw something extraordinary that completely changed their religious beliefs, so much so they died for them. They were all brought up from birth as Jews. Not at all the same as the muslim suicide bombers.
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 I can and I did. Yo posited the question would a person die for a fantasy, nothing you've said about what they think they've seen changes that. People with mental illnesses see and hear compelling things that aren't real all the time.
So far you haven't demonstrated there's a difference, especially a difference between followers of different deities.
So my point stands. YES people are willing to die for unfounded beliefs. Don't hedge on that just because you agree with some of them.
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism Iol you can babble all you want. The suicide bombers are not comparable. The Christians were real martyrs; that is, they were persecuted & killed, for their faith. The suicide bombers are mass murderers; they kill others for their faith. The suicide bombers use their bodies as lethal weapons to do mass murder. That is not martyrdom but homicide. If you want to believe their the same thing, thats up to you.
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 Babble? When so far you're argument boils down to "fairy tale A is superior to fairy tale B"?
Martyrdom is in the eye of the beholder, and just as many followers of Islam consider such as martyrs. So far you still haven't addressed to core point, which is:
People die for imaginary beliefs all the time, so using that as a proof of christianity is merely pleading special exception to YOUR chosen fantasy. THAT'S ALL.
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism "you're argument boils down to fai....." No, my argument was over whether or not Jesus existed, I mentioned the first Christian martyrs as evidence for Jesus' existence.
"fairy tale A is superior to fairy tale B" This is just wrong anyway; The original martyrs were eyewitnesses to something that changed them, The suicide bombers were brainwashed from birth. Im not using this as "proof" for Christianity, there is no "proof". Just like there is no "proof" for your atheistic beliefs.
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 You're still pleading special exception for your chosen religion. You have no more evidence for what you're contending than they do, and you're just as brainwashed as they are, or else you'd provide some clear unequivocal proofs for what you say.
Maybe you missed this part in school, but I don't have to prove a negative. You make the claim for jesus and god and all the rest, you prove that. My rejecting your claim doesn't constitute a claim on my part.
You're a little slow, aren't you
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism What are talking about? i was giving evidence for the existence of Jesus. The first martyrs are evidence for Jesus' existence, not evidence for Christianity, your a little slow aren't you.
When i said "atheistic beliefs" i mean the fact that you don't believe the universe had an intelligence behind it, i.e god. Your perfectly justified in denying Christianity, but to say there was no intelligence behind the origins of the universe, that requires faith.
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 What are YOU talking about? The first martyrs? There ARE NO FIRST HAND accounts. there are no manuscripts that can be dated earlier than 225C.E. so all we have are purported accounts at least 150 years after the fact that CLAIM these events took place. So what you claim as evidence does not, in fact prove the story is real.
So yeah, you are a little slow.
I was also under the impression that faith meant acceptance of something that is unfounded. I have no reason to have faith.
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism "does not, in fact prove the story is real" Would you stop going on about proof. Im not saying its proof! it was evidence for the existence of Jesus, the other guy i was talking to, thought Jesus never existed.
"no manuscripts that can be dated earlier than 225C.E" Thats just bullshit, are you being serious?
Just look at St Peter, we have numerous, independent, contemporary accounts (most written by non Christians) reporting St Peters death via upside down crucifixion.
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 Until you can demonstrate to me that the universe owes its existence to this alleged invisible being, I see no reason to accept the claim it exists. That doesn't require faith, that is the refusal put faith in a myth. Honestly, your grasp of English is piss poor
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism There is no good evidence for either of our beliefs. The same evidence can lead people in completely different directions, for example i would submit the extraordinary processes involved with DNA to RNA to protein as evidence for an intelligence, you on the other hand would think there was no intelligence involved, and that DNA is a result of an unguided process. You can deny it all you want, but you have faith. Faith is a belief without solid evidence. so unless you can demonstrate
sned10000 9 months ago
@moopism to me how this universe could have come about via unguided processes, it remains faith, unless of course you have evidence for this claim. Im sticking with Einstein's theory that there is an intelligence behind the universe, you can believe what you want, we both have faith as we don't have solid evidence. Seeing as im catholic, i do have more faith than you because i don't just think there is a god, i also believe in a certain perception of god, but you still have some faith.
sned10000 9 months ago
@moopism Plus i studied history at one of the best universitys in England, so you can stop with the silly insults.
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 So what? You argue like you slept through most of your classes. seriously, you haven't yet made one cogent point that establishes the credibility of the belief system you seem to find so self evident.
you can tout your education all you want, but in practical terms, a fat lot of good it seems to have done you.
You started with martyrs and I countered with the known fact that people die for imagined crap all the time. Is THAT the best you've got to contend for your faith?
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism No, you started with martyrs. That was a post to discussion i had months ago. You come out of nowhere claiming that i was using martyrs as "proof" for Christianity, when i wasn't/
"you haven't yet made one cogent point that .." Iv told you why i think this universe has an intelligible mind behind it. iv stated evidence such as DNA, universe fine tuning etc. What evidence can you give for the universe forming as a result of unguided processes?
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 "Peter was an eyewitness to Jesus, would he really give up his life in such a gruesome manner over somone he knew didn't even exist? Thats the kind of evidence that should also be noted."
You posted this on a public forum, if you meant this to be a private discussion, then you should have posted elsewhere. Now that we've cleared THAT up, you STILL haven't offered anything to bolster this argument.
I don't care at this point about DNA. Deal with this first. Or would you concede?
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism " over *someone* he knew didn't even exist?" Like i said i was giving evidence for the existence of Jesus, not evidence for Christianity. If you read the posts before you'll see that the guy i was talking to thought Jesus was just a parody of the sun. I was showing him why historically, we're 99% certain Jesus existed.
Are you suggesting Jesus never existed.
"I don't care at this point" lol why so evasive? You admit then that as an atheist, you have a belief on the grounds of faith?
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 @moopism " Like i said i was giving evidence for the existence of Jesus, not evidence for Christianity."
Now you're mincing words. You provided what you claim as proof and I questioned how that proves the point. You dodged.
When I said "I don't care at this point", I CLEARLY meant that I am not interested in changing to another debate when you haven't adequately addressed this one. Still haven't, in fact. Based on that alone, why should I anticipate you'd engage more effectively?
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism Im mincing words? thats rich. What don't you understand? Quote me where i said the martyrs are proof for Christianity?
lol even that quote you used before, where i said " over someone he knew didn't even exist?" shows that i am talking about Jesus' existence. I keep saying its not proof for Christianity. Rather, evidence for Jesus' existence. If im saying the martyrs are not proof for Christianity, why do you keep going on about it? I take it your admitting you have faith then.
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 You haven't provided any proof that the story of peter is historical, that he existed, that he knew jesus, that either of them died the deaths tradition imparts to them. Before you start regurgitating the bible, there are no extent manuscripts that come any closer than 150 years after the fact, there is no proof they were authored by the one's tradition claims wrote them.
There are in fact known forgeries, and a faith motivated to make these assertions by the time they appear. SO?
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism 400 years after their death. The ancient world did not have photography, telephones etc. A great deal of famous ancient events rely on hearsay. Do you think Jesus did not exist?
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 I think whether a person named jesus existed and the claims of the gospels are two separate issues, but if push comes to shove, then, no, I don't think they can be established to have happened. Hearsay is inadmissible in court for a reason.
moopism 9 months ago
@sned10000 "i am talking about Jesus' existence. I keep saying its not proof for Christianity."
"Christianity |ˌkris ch ēˈanitē|
noun
the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, or its beliefs and practices."
New Oxford American Dictionary.
YES, you ARE mincing words. You can be as slippery as you like, but you're just dancing around to avoid the issue.
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism which we know was written at most 40 years after his death. If you don't accept anything in the bible using the basic historical standards i.e Multiple attestation, historical context, linguistic analysis and Author's agenda; then you have no good reason to believe in nearly all the ancient historical documents. Even everything you've said about the Aztecs relies on hearsay accounts taken by the spanish from the Aztec citizens. The standard for writing a Roman emperors biography was
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 Additionally, there are disturbing parallels between pagan suh theologies and christianity, so the claim isn't a stretch at all. If you're response was that no one would die for the sun, then I ask you to look into Aztec and Mayan mythologies, both of which had human sacrifice to the sun, of whom some of the victims were honored volunteers.
On top of it, the willingness of anyone to die for a mythical belief is hardly proof of historicity. I'm not being evasive, this is your point.
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism As far as we know the Aztecs sacrificed captives, there is not a single piece of evidence to suggest there were any volunteers. where did you get that from? Also, like the Islamic suicide bombers, the Aztecs were brainwashed from birth with those beliefs. The Christians completely changed their religious beliefs. Again this is evidence for Jesus' existence, not proof for Christianity. Your being evasive on answering whether you acknowledge your own faith based beliefs.
sned10000 9 months ago
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@sned10000 "The Christians completely changed their religious beliefs. "
Well, it could just as easily be said the Spanish imposed Christianity on a less technologically advanced people at gunpoint. That IS historically accurate, and STILL doesn't prove jesus ever even existed.
You can do better than that can't you?
moopism 9 months ago
@sned10000 During the 20-day month of Toxcatl, a young impersonator of Tezcatlipoca would be sacrificed. Throughout a year, this youth would be dressed as Tezcatlipoca and treated as a living incarnation of the God. The youth would represent Tezcatlipoca on earth; he would get four beautiful women as his companions until he met his destiny, in the meantime he walked through the streets of Tenochtitlan playing a flute...
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism Where does it say they volunteered? Are you implying that only Christians believe a historical Jesus existed? Your the one whos being slippery. I honestly have no idea what your playing at. Do you not know the difference from showing evidence for the existence of an historical figure and showing "proof" for a religious belief? And why do you keep saying there is no document for over 150 years after the event? Clement of Rome wrote about it in his Letter to the Corinthians,
sned10000 9 months ago
@moopism Of course when i talk about accepting events in the bible, i don't mean the miracles, but it is quite clear that the gospels are based on a real person.
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 So is mother goose. it tells a compelling tale about a women in poverty living in a shoe, beating her children. Does that make it real?
If you're going to dispense with the miraculous (and my question is why), then why bother using the bible as a phliosophical prop at all? Doesn't that render it useless? If you aren't willing to defend the miracles, what's the need to defend it at all?
Isn't the reason to attempt to prove historicity of the gospels to establish a basis for that?
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism "So is mother goose" What your forgetting is that mother goose is a fairytale. Christianity is a part of history. Something strange happened back then that caused Christianity.
No i believe in the miracles, my point is, even if the miracles were not true, a man called Jesus still existed.
"pwned" lol shut up you geek. keep the nerd slang to yourself if you want to make a serious point.
Again where does it say there volunteered? and why do you give the Aztec accounts more veracity than
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 You still haven't addressed the central claim you made. i.e., that the martyrs would only die for something real. You side stepped every example I've given otherwise, including getting pwned on the Aztecs, and now you just ignore the point?
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism the Christian accounts, even though they both rely on hearsay?
"martyrs would only die for something real" just think about it logically for a second. The first Christians, (who were Jews originally) gave their lives over something they saw. They didn't just change their Jewish religion over nothing. Any other "martyrs" died for what they were taught from birth, theres a HUGE difference. The historical Jesus almost certainly existed if you look at all the evidence logically.
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 "Any other "martyrs" died for what they were taught from birth, theres a HUGE difference."
HOW is this a difference at all? That's a great sounding assertion, but you've failed to demonstrate that's the case. Just repeating it over and over won't substantiate it. HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT??????????
I have thought about it logically, and found that all kinds of people have willingly died for things they thought were real that weren't.
moopism 9 months ago
@sned10000 "Any other "martyrs" died for what they were taught from birth, theres a HUGE difference. The historical Jesus almost certainly existed"
Well mohamed certainly exisited and people wilingly die for their interpretation of what he taught, so how does a historical jesus matter?
For that matter, if a christian died for his faith today, they'd still call him a martyr, and that martyr didn't live in the same period as jesus, or see him, so he was taught this as well.
HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT?
moopism 9 months ago
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@sned10000 "The suicide bombers use their bodies as lethal weapons to do mass murder. That is not martyrdom but homicide."
What about Sampson?
moopism 9 months ago
@moopism "Hearsay is inadmissible in court for a reason" You really don't understand how history works do you. This would mean your talk about the Aztecs, is complete nonsense then, seeing as most of what we know about them is from hearsay. Anyways, if you don;t want to think that Jesus never existed, then thats up to you. But my point still stands; you as an atheist, has faith.
sned10000 9 months ago
@sned10000 On the day of the sacrifice a feast would be held in Tezcatlipoca's honor. The young man would climb the pyramid, break his flute and surrender his body to the priests. Sahagún compared it to the Christian Easter.
^ Bernardino de Sahagún, Historia General de las Cosas de la Nueva España, ed. a cargo de Ángel Ma. Garibay (México: Editorial Porrúa, 2006)
" the Aztecs sacrificed captives, there is not a single piece of evidence to suggest there were any volunteers"
Get serious.
moopism 9 months ago
@mootybog
"and its true watch zeitgeist and free your mind"
this video is talking about you, hearing what you want is not freeing your mind.
niinja2 1 year ago
@niinja2
"hearing what you want is not freeing your mind"
Well stated.
opmike343 10 months ago
what are you guys gay?
mrsredhead7777 1 year ago
...there is evidence Jesus existed...
stcolreplover 1 year ago
@stcolreplover
...there is evidence santa exists...
lulhoofd1 1 year ago
@lulhoofd1 lol, and by that do you mean St Nicolas, because as a historical figure he did exist too.
The historical figure Jesus existed too. I'm not making any religuous claims, just stating facts. These guys claim to skeptics, but does that mean they don't believe in any historical figures because Science can't prove it.
oh the US, bunch of retards
stcolreplover 1 year ago
@stcolreplover
The point is that saying that there is evidence isn't an argument in and of itself. I kinda hoped that you would say ''But there is no proof of santa, he is a fairytale'' and then I could reply with excactly the same response towards your claim about evidence of christ.
Sure maybe he existed, in some form or another, but saying that there is evidence floating out there somewhere doesn't proof anything. Provide the evidence or gtfo.
And I'm european btw.
lulhoofd1 1 year ago
lol, "i'm european", well i was mostly refering to the guys in the video.
Well obviously my sarcastic five worded comment wasn't an argument.
All academic scholars believe the Historical Jesus existed. The "Majestic Christ" is different from the "Historical Jesus" I might add. hmmm, i'm not going to go into specifics but will suggest you read Bart D Ehrman, a leading scholar in the area (I will also add he is an agnostic, so you will think he is less biased).
stcolreplover 1 year ago
@stcolreplover
I honestly couldn't care less wether the guy, in some form, existed or not. I was just annoyed by the fact that you would just state that there is evidence that he exists whilst not even providing said evidence. That is all.
lulhoofd1 1 year ago
I don't care if jesus existed and mythological bullshit doesn't deserve to be seen as a scientific claim that should be shown respect in investigating. It already has been and religion has never given me any reason to respect it nor anyone who says they're a theist but don't believe it all. If they can't wear the outfit, what the fuck are they doing claiming they're a member of the team?!
clipsryan 1 year ago
Man's religions deserve all the scorn and ridicule we can muster. Man's top two religions, christianity and islam, are particularly odious owing to the misery, suffering and death they have caused.
lancetop 1 year ago
sound advice i take it to heart lots of good people do use religion for comfort just because i dont agree with them that its the truth dosent mean they are bad people yes i need to keep my head about it still i belive religion is wrong not all the people though
fallbread 1 year ago
supersmash43 the more offended and upset the religions get by the "bashing" the more I want to bash them, especially the muslims.
Zurround100 1 year ago
whats the song played at the end? sounds awsome!!!
fergdrumgus 1 year ago
@WaffleEgo :) I think we see eye to eye :)
xNoReligionx 1 year ago
The problem with the clash of religion and science is that science attempts to seek the truth, even if it overturns old concepts and doctrine, and even if it means not knowing the answers to some things right now... Religion just aims to give a simple answer to everything "God done it, so shut up and stop asking questions"
Religion SUCKS PERIOD!
xNoReligionx 1 year ago
"The appearance of design in the universe is overwhelming but we can’t afford to attribute design to an actual designer because then we must explain the origin of the designer.” The God Delusion R.Dawkins.Just accept it, design & fine-tuning are obvious. Now give me a naturalistic eplanation? Maybe u can shoot a dart across the universe & with luck, hit a 20 cm target 4 times in a row. I just dont have enough faith to be an atheist!
dashan091 1 year ago
@dashan091 How does that even make sense? 1st of all atheism isn't a faith it's a LACK of belief in ANY gods, NOT a claim that there aren't any. BUT even if it were a "faith" so what? I thought Christians and other theists believed faith was a GOOD thing. That is the most contradictory and annoying theist argument argument ever. U praise belief in things w/o evidence 1 min. then bash it the next. So retarded. Also APPEARANCE of design MAY or may NOT imply a designer. We don't know yet.
Evhoney14 1 year ago
@dashan091 I like how people like you who just readily accept ID & FT. The very basis of your hypothesis is "everything LOOKS designed, hence there must be a designer/creator", this idiocy alone requires far more faith in believing than disbelieving, trust me:)
And even IF there is a omnipotent designer, he is doing a f@#king bad job in designing us, life and our solar systems.
Remember solving the mysteries of the universe with a bigger mystery is not the answer and it never will be.
zh1412 1 year ago 3
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@zh1412 Maybe u think I said: "The appearance of design in the universe is overwhelming but we can’t afford to attribute design to an actual designer because then we must explain the origin of the designer.” But it was Richard Dawkin's!! Atheism does have blind faith in science or more specifically naturalism that it will one day explain how all the physical constants fit into absurdly narrow life permitting values!
dashan091 1 year ago
@dashan091 To say that these constants conspired to produce life by blind forces&mindless processes are the great cosmological myths of our times. Atheism has to invent a multiverse to circumvent a single designed universe. If such an absurd theory (for which there is NO evidence) came out of a religious text it would be a laughing stock. Such is the desperation of a worldview that offers no hope, no wisdom & no escape!
dashan091 1 year ago
@dashan091 The multiverse theory is not presented as a fact, it is simply an idea.
I for one don't know how the universe started but I know when it happened and that were moving away from the spot
A human has never gone past the moonThis universe is so huge n old how can we possibly think with our 300 years of science n recent emergence from trees that were going to know much about it
People who profess they know its secrets are mistaken. Im sorry to say they are usually religious people
markgg1 1 year ago
@dashan091 "I just dont have enough faith to be an atheist!"
Just replace "faith" with "intelligence" and you'd be right :)
xNoReligionx 1 year ago 5
Unfortunately that's the instant theist defense, "you're bashing me" even if you are simply debating them.
Tarantulus666 1 year ago
@Tarantulus666 I agree. You can't even have an intelligent conversation with some, without them playing victim.
gir908922 1 year ago
Religion deserves to be bashed for the absurdities it promotes and is based off.
supersmash43 1 year ago 70
@supersmash43 But isn't that exactly how the religious people view how Atheists should be treated? Why would you want to behave the same way that some believers act towards Atheists? Acting this way will only lead to more conflicts between both parties.
043367747 1 year ago
@043367747 making a joke out of Mohammed can cause people to go on violent protests. Religion has zero tolerance to criticism which is what people like me are trying to dispel.
supersmash43 1 year ago
@043367747 Athiesm is not an indefensible worldview but some of the claims that masquerade as knockdown argument, the resort to obscenities, insults & expletives and the misinformation here is so tragic it's laughible. BTW failed and fallacious religions & their exponents have nothing to do with the existence of God. The world is like a kindergarden full of infants trying to dismantle an image of God with the wrong set of blocks
dashan091 1 year ago
@dashan091 Dont make the mistake of painting a whole group of people with one brush. I have the foresight to know religious people are a hugely diverse group from all countries, backgrounds and political persuasions. I myself was one, and many religious people become non religious.
The difference between a religious person and a non religious person is in fact a very subtle thing, and thats a belief in god... Believing in god or not believing does not define you as a person.
markgg1 1 year ago
@supersmash43 I'm not a religious person. Religion means nothing to me, and I don't care if other people spend their time worshiping some god. You shouldn't either. It's just not worth it.
Besides, religion makes some people happy. It didn't make me happy, which is why I'm not religious anymore, but it makes some people happy. I'm not willing to take that from them. Neither should you.
PSNLanceManley 1 year ago
@PSNLanceManley I don't want to take anything from anyone except when it is detrimental their beliefs shouldn't be allowed to be detrimental (unfortunately that's too often the case).
supersmash43 1 year ago
@supersmash43 Athiests deserve to be bashed for denying the laws of chemistry physics and math. Athiests always turn out to be Jew world order scum always attack Jesus and lie about mossad being behind 9 11. 6 -3 aint 6 and 3 - 2 aint zero. Athiests have no problem with the prophecy of Jew mossad agents claiming and I quote they were there to document the event 9 explain hwy you would be there to document a event you did not know will happen) answer that you Zionist decievers
properwired 1 year ago
@moopism come about from an intelligence. Now this can be explained by either two things,
1. an intelligible force i.e god
2. we live in an infinite amount of universes i.e multiverse hypothesis
The multiverse hypothesis could explain how we ended up with this fine tuned universe without a god, However there is no good evidence to suggest it is true. So you believe the universe does not have a designer, even though the laws of nature are perfect for life.
sned10000 9 months ago
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I'm an Atheist and homosexuality DISGUST me. Being disgusted by homosexuals is an evolutionary response. Faggots coming around is a signal that straight men are not availabe for the opposite sex. Some pro gay atheists are trying to do exactly what they condemn and that's brainwash men to supress a natural feeling of disgust. Atheists are trying to indoctrinate people in a similar way that people have been indoctrinated to believe God exist.
CharlieBoyCheckm 1 year ago
Oh, what song is that at the beginning? I know I've heard it; I just can't remember its name.
jvondd 1 year ago
Excellent message here. I believe it was Daniel Dennett who said something to the effect of "There's nothing I hate more than a bad argument for a cause i hold dear".
I tend to agree - if you've got a solid case for what you believe, you should be able to back it up with well researched arguments that survive your critical scrutiny, and to accept claims in favor of what you believe without applying critical thinking to them is simply lazy, and a bad idea.
ThinkingSkeptically 1 year ago 53
@moopism Again, i wasn't trying to prove Christianity. Christianity cannot be proven. And yes you do have faith, this shouldn't be hard to grasp. We have a universe that is fine tuned to harbour life. If just onee of the physical constants (e.g proton mass) were to be different by a fraction, then we would not exist; matter could not function properly, gravity would collapse in on itself etc. Basically the universe has a blueprint, and by using logic and reason, i would conclude that blueprints
sned10000 9 months ago
@CartesianTheist
Is this a version of internet stuttering where you post the two versions of the same statement. LOL you are one weak minded fool.
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You do not confess to a statement someone else made, you either agree or disagree with it you dumb ass.
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You take a few facts, mix it with a few lies and twist them until you think no one can see the truth. Typical Christian tactics, but when you peddle bullshit you really have no other choice I guess.
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God = Jesus Christ = Ignorance
mymojorisin 1 year ago
@CartesianTheist
Wow you do not even wait for your posts to be pushed off page 1 before you contradict them. You said "now apologise for accusing me of lying", then you said that you "don"t want an apology".
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This is typical of your circular thinking. You total disregard the truth. That is amazing. Why do you lie so much? Is that an official sun worshiper, oh sorry Christian, doctrine?
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God = Jesus Christ = Sun = Sun Worship = 2 Billion Christian Fools
mymojorisin 1 year ago
@CartesianTheist
BTW I know you are not to smart so I thought I should tell you to hold your breath and wait for an apology from me as it will be coming as soon as I start to worship the sun and believe in talking snakes. Remember no breathing until I apologize. Now I know you Christians like to bend the rules and pick and choose what you want to, but it is important that you hold your breath until I apologize or it will not work.
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God + 1 Talking Snake = Jesus Christ = Sun = Sun Worship
mymojorisin 1 year ago
@CartesianTheist
Anyone can say they are an Atheist, just like anyone can say they are a Christian. If you believe in a god you will find a way to justify your fantasy. Just because you found some dumb SOB that says he is an Atheist does not mean he is. If you say any religion is legitimate you are not an Atheist. Atheism is the rejection of all gods. You cannot endorse god and say your an Atheist and be taken serious by any reasonable person. Again you are either a lier or a dumb ass.
mymojorisin 1 year ago
@CartesianTheist
LOL You say "Michael Ruse is an Atheist philosopher". What a lie, again an example of Christian integrity. Ruse takes the position that it is possible to reconcile the Christian faith with evolutionary theory. That is you and your sun god, not Atheism.
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Don't you have a set of 10 laws one of which says you are not allowed to lie? Oh that is right you got some pore Jew to pay your sin bill for you. Wow it is a good thing you believe in him and not Mohammad.
mymojorisin 1 year ago
@CartesianTheist
Wow a complete physiological profile made from a YouTube page. I bet you work for Scotland Yard. I guess you have me all figured out.
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Another typical response from Christians when they run out of bullshit to spread. If you can ever think of anything useful to say come back and try again.
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God = Jesus Christ = Sun = Sun Worship = 2 Billion Christian Fools + 1 Dumb as Dirt CartesianTheist
mymojorisin 1 year ago
@CartesianTheist
My initial thought about Anthony Flew was that he was a sun worshiper disguising himself as an atheist then claiming to see the light and giving people like you something to hold onto when they are getting their asses kicked. However under closer examination of the situation I think he is still an atheist and doing it for profit. You know to sell books. You still wind up the sucker, man everyone is playing you. It must suck to be you. LOL
mymojorisin 1 year ago
@CartesianTheist
LOL Anthony Flew, are you kidding me? I would not call him a theist or even a philosopher for that matter and definitely not a giant, but I would call him a successful capitalist. He successfully exploited your weak mind into buying his load of shit. How much did it cost you? LOL What a fool you are. Come on man is this not embarrassing for you?
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God = Jesus Christ = Sun = Sun Worship = 2 Billion Christians
mymojorisin 1 year ago
@CartesianTheist
LOL You say "Atheism would imply a second belief"
What a weak ass argument. Just because I do not believe in Santa Claus does not mean I have to believe in Odin the German equivalent of Santa Claus.
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Do you expect people follow this weak ass logic of yours? Listen, stick to sun worship and magic. You are an expert in that field.
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You want to make Atheism something it is not so you can criticize it and distract from your magical beliefs, but it will not work.
mymojorisin 1 year ago
There is a classification for this type of thinking and it is called Agnostic not Atheism. You should change the name of your show to "The Agnostic Experience"
mymojorisin 1 year ago
@CartesianTheist
LOL you teaching Philosophy. That is like the blind leading the blind. I am sure I have made the comment several times about Christianity and Philosophy not being compatible. You teaching Philosophy is just not a good idea, you must 1st have the capability to think logically and you clearly cannot do that. It would be a catastrophe for you to teach anything except for sun worship. I am sure you would be good at that. Magic and myth are your specialties.
mymojorisin 1 year ago
@CartesianTheist
By the way dumb ass I did NOT say American fundamentalist Christianity I said Christianity. However I wi