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  • it sounds like he's crying holy shit i can't DEAL WITH THIS

  • Even though their music-styles are different to each other, it sounded fricking awesome in "Pretty. Odd" where Ryan had his inputs here and there!

    Just wants to say that i really love when i'm panic!ing with their older albums! And i'm gonna miss Ryan and Jon!

  • Amicable isn't the same. It's missing jon's awesomeness, their happiness, ryden, and the infamous ryhawk.

  • I only started being a fan of P!ATD a few months ago, but I understand that this would be really sad for a lot of long time fans and supporters. It's like Mike Dirnt leaving Green Day, because you know that nothing will really be the same. =[

  • :c </3

  • this made my cry until hysterics

  • I love all these guys so much and both bands are amazingly talented beyond belief, but face it, Panic! isn't the same without Jon and Ryan. I don't know why, but just the feeling isn't the same )': Ryan, Jon, Brendon, and Spencer belong together(:

  • What bums me out is that TYV are on a hiatus :( Jon's got a flaming solo album and what's Ry doing? :( I'm hoping for some kind of reunion one day, might be the best Christmas present ever :P Bring back Ryden & THE RYHAWK !

  • I really DID love Ryan, Back in the Fever You Cant Sweat Out faze,im in FREAKING love STILL with that album, and you have no clue how much i wish Ryan would come back and keep making songs like that with Brendon. All those Long song titles and Amazing concerts! They were so unique, and amazing. But then Ryan wanted To change it all up, Pretty. Odd And i think that that album isnt good. I miss that Old PUNK band, with there crazy hair remember the Ryhawk? and Guyliner and disturbing music videos!

  • @LovePeaceLive123 I know how you feel. If I were to post something straight from my mind it would be EXACTLY THAT. I only really like 2 songs from Pretty Odd. A Fever You Cant Sweat Out is my love. They need to reunite, bring Rydon back together, write songs with really long titles that hardly relate to the lyrics, hold EPIC concerts, wear Guyliner like it's nobodys business, and bring back the Ryhawk AND the unforgettable most epic ROSE VEST! I dont think they realize how much people miss them.

  • @RydonFTW8D Ah hem. They used guyliner like it's nobody's buissness in the Mona Lisa video and the Ready to Go Video(well parts of it) AFYCSIO sounds a lot like Vices&Virtures. It's been a while since the break-up so i don't think they're getting back, but it would be nice, even though they've moved on. But Rydon still exisists, just search "rydon on twitter 2011" They're still friends. but the rose vest was epic.....

  • @TheSmileyPeanut Well yes they wore guyliner, but it wasn't as much as they would live or anything. I think that's what I mean... Them wearing it live. And V&V is in close second to AFYCSO, but I just like it more. And yes Rydon still exists, but it's not as out there as it used to be. It just isn't the same...

  • *Cries* bye bye Rydon. HELLO Ryon without the D. LOL. NEW BROMANCE right now. Ryan + Jon = Ryon.

  • no offence but i think that brendon is doing better without him, even though he was amazing and gorgeous he wasnt needed. Love him anyway though :)

  • if their still friends with brendon and spencer,they should all et togeter and do a patd tyv mashup or something,then maybe,just maybe,theyll get back together,because its not the same,and it seems lke tyv wasnt as successful as they wanted

  • You see, I was like so many P!ATD fans where I was super sad that they split up, and was secretly hoping that Ryan and Jon's band would be a complete failure and then they would realize how much they loved Panic! and would get back in the band. But the moment I heard my first The Young Veins (Ryan and Jon's band) song, all those feelings were washed away. Now I'm praying with all my heart the TYV will be super successful and release more albums, 'cause honestly, there amazing!

  • I really really miss them...

  • The thing is though...I mean, I love Panic! with all my heart, and that includes Ryan and Jon, things just worked when they were all together. But like, I get why they had to split, and even though it's really sad, I think it was for the best. I'd have loved it if Ryan and Jon had stayed but if Panic! were making music they didn't enjoy, we wouldn't enjoy it either. At least now they can both make music they like, and we now get two awesome bands! (even though tyv are on hiatus :/ )

  • Dude im going to cry :'(

  • MAYBE. One day, there will be like... a Take That Kinda' reunion...maybe? Hopefully, they've gotta miss each other,  I mean, it was RYDON for gawds sake :( I think if they got back together it would be the best thing, ever :) I actually feel like crying when I watch this :( RYAN &JOHN GET THE HELL BACK IN P!ATD <3

  • I really miss the old Panic at the Disco

  • I am upset that the split did happen, but to be honest, I would be so happy if they joined again, but all I really want is them to have there friendship back again. It must be awkward now, they never talk and they were all such good friends. I just wish they had that relationship again.

  • I really miss the whole band together :/

  • I wasn't a real big panic fan besides the one song mad as rabbits but by God I am a Young Veins fan, the music is just killer California sun 1966 fun music. Besides beatles I see some beach boys and monkees in them as well. The music rocks and the young veins is just simply an awesome name. You guys have done awesome

  • so sad :(

  • the only songs i like on vices and virtues were written by ryan and jon. *sigh*

  • Nooo why ??? :'(

  • Hope this is just a 'Trial break-up'! I want to see them get back together..

  • well, Brendon is leading P!atd into Pop =T, I miss ryan

  • It's sad that Ryan and Brendon couldn't agree on things :( I guess Brendon wanted to go the more happy and optimistic route, and Ryan wanted to go the guyliner, sex song route. WHY?!?!

  • @graceisahurricane Actually, I'm pretty sure Brendon wanted to go more to what they had done on the first album, but a bit different, and ryan wanted them to have more of a Beatles sound (like in pretty. odd.) So yeah.. they couldn't agree and decided to break up :'(

  • @prettypurpleponiez i mean, switch that. i posted that a week ago when i wasnt informed on the situation. but the young veins have tanked so maybe jon and ryan will go back??

  • @graceisahurricane Yeah, the Young Veins haven't done so well. :( and I sure hope so!!!! If they got back together it would make me SO happy!!!! But I would miss Ian and Dallon and all the crazy stuff brendon does on stage now lol. But yeah, I deffinitely miss Ryan's lyrics and just them in general, so it could be a possibility for them to come back :D

  • @graceisahurricane i dont think ryan was the one who wanted to do guyliner... i think that was brendon, but idk im just guessing. i think the true ryan came out in Pretty. Odd. he is just so sweet and brendon is more of the type that would be going the opposite route.

  • mi creys

  • I kind of dislike Ian and Dallon, just because they replaced them. They're probably great people, but not as great as Ryro and Jon. I REALLY don't like the Brallon thing either. It doesn't have the same flare as Ryden...Rydon...idk.

  • uh, ryan was credited on "vices and virtues" so i mean.. even if he technically left the band.. he's still doing a lot of work for them.

  • If Ryan DOES come bak,he has to make a promise to NEVER leave Panic! Agin fir me [atleast]to forgive him for putting us fans through hell.He has to do it in video and sign a contract[:

  • @LetsNotPanic7 honestly I prefer Dallon and Ian over Ryan, Ryan is kind of a douche. Panic! is better without him.

  • Panic! at The Disco will never be the same without Jon and Ryan. It's just so sad :'( For me, P!ATD will always equal Brendon Urie, Ryan Ross, Spencer Smith and Jon Walker.

  • @girlavignesims for me too :(

  • @EunMi13 :( guess we have to hope one day they'll fix things and who knows?, maybe Jon and Ryro can come back :/

  • @girlavignesims yes... maybe it will happen :)

  • @girlavignesims What about Brent Wilson?

  • @jakeyatthedisco19 yeah... I never really liked him :/

  • Didn't Ryan write practically *every* PATD song?

  • @trueglowstickfashion yeah i think so

  • :( I miss panic

  • i love ryan and brendon and id do ANYTHING for them to get back together

    but i honestly think that they do have musical differences you can tell that ryan tried to slip in abit of s beatlesque-ness into pretty odd and here and there but now that he is all on his own, he can go all the way with what he likes and brendon can do what he wants. the two music styles are extremely different. although,like i said i would miss them all together, the stage-raping, longass-song-names-icant remember

  • I miss Ryro and his beautifully confusing lyrics Dx I cried when I found out Ryan and Jon left. It was the worst day of my life.

    Panic! will never be the same without them. *Wipes away tear*

    </3

  • Jon better come back):

    Ryan's gonna have a "what the hell was I thinking?!" day eventually and come back, and they're going to make a new afycso and everything will be all better-3

    I'm not really a fan of Ryan, but he's got some mad skills at lyrics. Panic's old sound wouldn't be anything without lyrics that take a week to figure out what they mean, and they just need him back. I really hate his voice though, he can give up backup and let Jon do it. He's way better.

  • I'm just curious, they still had to finish a tour together after they announced the split, right? If so, for anyone who went - what was it like? Was it awkward or was it like the old tours?

  • @chowtime91 BrendOn and spencer went on to the tour without them

  • The new album is awesome, I'm not much for the Young Veins, I miss the old Panic! & Brendon & Ryan's obvious secret relationship 0; 

  • This made me so sad. Just the not speaking part. aw :(

  • When i heard this when it came out, i cried my eyes out. . . .

  • i am disaponted because the broke up but stil i love themm all to death soo if this is wat they want in life then im going to suport themm all the wayy

  • New PATD album sounds great so far .... without ryan but i still miss ryan and john it will never b the same live

  • Panic! isn't quite as good without Ryan, he wrote nearly all of the songs. But, I'm not saying that I like TYV though. In my opinion, they're too Beatles like, and less good. I'm glad that all the members, ex and current, of P!ATD are happy tho... I'm just really disappointed. Plus, the new song by PATD isn't that good, Brendon's vocals are the only thing that keep me listening to it. I hope one day Ryan decides to go back to Panic...

  • He has such a baby face :P crazy Ryan.

  • Well,TYV Has old AND new fans..i gess im gewd with the brakeup.

  • People,If u really like these people u wud care about wat they want and support it!If u have a Twitter look up "thisisryanross" and it looks like hes having alot of fun with his new band and going to MexicoIf ur sad about this,think about wat there feeling,they were so close people thot they were DATING!people,They were pretty damn close.We All miss them..But We have to admit it,Ryan is an amazing person,he can do watever he wants Even without Brendon.Hes happy,Isnt that all all that Matters?

  • I would love to say that all I care about is the music, but that just isn't true.

    I've seriously fallen in love with these boys, 'Northern Downpour' has eased me through some pretty rough shit, and it breaks my heart that they're not together, and all of us fans are in turmoil over it. D:

    This probably sounds silly, but I really do care about every member of this band, and I love EVERY song they have ever written.

    I wish them luck wherever they go, and I will always be listening.

    <3

  • @kparrinello "They" dont write the music.Ryan Does.They Wonder y he left...They worked him to death!

  • I think Ryan left the band because he wanted to be the lead singer. He used to be, until they heard Brendon. :/ His voice is good, but not original and powerful like Brendon's is.

    This is my opinion, just based on what I've observed over the years.

    Ryan previously said, 'emo is shit' and I think that's the main reason the band reformed so much to this indie sound in Pretty.Odd. I have a feeling that Brendon and Spencer are going to go back to the old style, with Ryan gone.

    (c)

  • @kparrinello panic wasnt emo though emos really... hardcore music

  • You know, every time I read/hear stuff about the break up, I always think in the back of my head that one day Ryan is definitely going to come back, with or without Jon.

    Like, I dunno - I feel like the whole break up wasn't real. It's just so weird to think Panic! is actually Panic! without the two. I remember hearing about this and thinking it was a joke at first. It's just like, sdkfljadksf D; idek.

    But ughh, fuck Ryro just admit your love for Bden already.

  • team panic!

  • come back to panic!

  • young veins>panic anyway.

  • I love how the entire video is just a shot of Ryan's face with a video camera.

  • team panic!

  • Everything "worked" with P!ATD because Ryan and Brendon were exactly what the other needed. Ryan was highly-creative and valued lyrical genius, and Brendon was an amazing vocalist and awesome performer. When you combine those two types of artists, you get an awesome, dynamic band. Neither of those qualities can survive on their own, which is why TYV and PATD are both under-appreciated. PATD is now not unique enough to be remarkable, and TYV are too abstract to be relatable.

  • @RockMySox32 Dude you should write an essay about this :)

  • I really wish they would go back to panic. I loved the songs on the first album, I love all of them. The second album, without Ryan and Jon, was kind of meh. I want their crazy titles, insane lyrics that no one knew what the hell they were talking about (but were completely poetic), and the weird/amazing/emo/indie/30's circus/burlesque/porno theme back!

  • @xXnerdyXgrlXx didnt the second album still include ryan and jon? ryan wrote most of the songs in pretty odd... i think both albums were awesome...and it takes mad skills to be great with the gnarly and the feel good stuff... im anxious about the 3rd album though... wonder how it would sound like without ryan and jon...

  • @CrystalCrisisCore no offense but that was the dumbest thing ever written . ryan ross was the writer of every track on a fever you cant sweat out ..and almost every song but IHFIHS and Folkin' Around , on Pretty,Odd. so if his "music sucks" than so did P!@TD. and yes brendon can sing play the piano + the guitar but ryan can do all of that & write albums ...so hold your tongue the next time you have a dumb cmmnt !

  • The whole reason they left is because Ryan and jon liked the whole beatles sound and everything and brendon and spencer wanted to stay panic! Brendon says they're all still amazing friends and are a fan of each others music. But if they had stayed together and made a new record it wouldn't turn out as good as it would if everyone liked it in the band so. It's sad but oh well I'm a fan of TYV and P!ATD !!!

  • Ryan will be missed from panic. His lyrics are simply awesome.

  • now fall out boy and panic! at the disco have broken up.......THEY COULD FORM A MEGGA BAND!

  • I can't believe they left o start the young veins; all their songs sound the same - boring and really old. They have obviously tried to be like the beatles but failed

  • R.I.P panic! its just not the same anymore =(

  • This was so long ago, but it makes me so sad that Ryan and Spencer don't talk because they have been friends since they were kids. And Brendon and Ryan were best friends and so close, they need to get back together. ):

  • the day they broke up i had tears. i'd never thought they would fall apart :(

  • that sucks he quit on my B-day D: i miss ryan

  • The Young Veins, is a really good band (Ryans band) :) It sounds like the music I like kinda folk/indie and vintage

  • no offence but some of u people r idiots...why would u fight over the internet??? its pointless and stupid.....but anyway nooooo!!

  • Everyone keeps saying that Ry's the lyrical genious and what will patd be without him. well we havn't actully heard their new album yet so we went know, what we know for sure is that it deffo wont be the same. But hey, give them a break, maybe Spence got this hidden lyrical talent? I think that we should be happy that we got two great bands as a result of the split. and u know what, we have two great albums done by the original patd.. so lets just be happy with what we have and look forward

  • Everyone keeps saying that Ry's the lyrical genious and what will patd be without him. well we havn't actully heard their new album yet so we went know, what we will know for sure is that it deffo wont be the same. But hey, give them a break, maybe Spence got this hidden lyrical talent? I think that we should be happy that we got two great bands as a result of the split. and u know what, we have two great albums done by the original patd.. so lets just be happy with what we have and look forward

  • Everyone keeps saying that Ry's the lyrical genious and what will patd be without him. well we havn't actully heard their new album yet so we went know, what we will know for sure is that it deffo wont be the same. But hey, give them a break, maybe Spence got this hidden lyrical talent? I think that we should be happy that we got two great bands as a result of the split. and u know what, we have two great albums done by the original patd.. so lets just be happy with what we have and look forward

  • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ugh nothing will ever be the same again.

    the thing is ryan is the lyrical/instrumental genius and brendon is the one with the amazing & unique and catchy voice. they are total opposites, but both like genius in what they do! without them together, patd is like NOTHING. patd is now jus tlike a normal pop-rock group, and young veins is a beatles wannabe. UGHHHHHHHH PLEASEE IF YOU GUYS ARE READING THIS: JSUT GET BACK TOEGHTER... YOU DONT HAVE TO BE FRIENDS, JUST DO IT FOR US!

  • @carlysays Wait,so you'd rather have them miserable just to make US happy?

  • @ColorfulCrazyVeins yes, i would.

  • @carlysays Gawd...thats rude.

  • it broke my heart to hear when he said they havent talked in a long time.

  • Panic isn't making the music that people knew them for. But I loved Pretty Odd. It wasn't what I was expecting but It was amazing. I am really sad that Ryan and Jon left though! :(

  • people should vote for the young veins at mtvs march madness battle of the bands

  • @slightlyrandom2233 NOOOOO THEY SHOULDN'T. The young veins has terrible music. No offense. Its just horrible music and they ony have like two songs out. o.0 Ew. Don't vote for them.

  • I never paid attention or listened to Panic! At the Disco (not my thing). Last night I saw the Young Veins and was extremely impressed. Love the sound, the look, everything. Super nice guys, too. THIS is what music needs. Real rock 'n roll. I'm excited! Can't wait for the album.

  • i actually cried my eyes out. on july 6th :'(

  • me too

  • So did i...I still do!

  • same :|

  • @FlapjacksOnRage so did i. i ran downstairs screaming at my parents, they thought

    i was being mugged or something :/

  • @FlapjacksOnRage so did i

  • @FlapjacksOnRage nobody fucking cares.

  • 13 July 2009

    that is soo long ago

    funny that isnt it

    its always the bands with the nice guys in it

  • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • I'm disappointed with New Perspectuve, though an incredibly catchy song. What made Panic! at the Disco such a unique, individual band before was the fast-paced mind-blowing lyrics with the catchy, quick music. With Ryan gone, I have no idea what's going to happen. I love Jon and Spencer to death, but honestly, this split wouldn't have been quite so heartbreaking if Ryan and Brendon had continued on with P!ATD. Brendon did write two great songs on PO, though [Folkin' Around and IHFIHS]

  • @beckabrooke

    a agree with you....

    most of the bands music is written by ryan ross.... i'm so sad that they split up..

    : (

  • @beckabrooke Brendons Still In Panic! But Ryan And Jon Have Left ... If You Wanna Be Sad Atleast Get It Right ... ¬_¬

  • @PATD4lyfeee Yeah, I know. I said I love Jon and Spencer, but the split wouldn't have been so bad is Ryan and Brendon had continued Panic! at the Disco instead ;] Read it again... I already got it right...

  • @beckabrooke um you know that ryan and jon are the ones that left and brendan and spencer stay in panic at the disco right...

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  • @beckabrooke I like Ballad of Mona Lisa, though. Their new album sounds great so far! :D

  • @beckabrooke Um, just. No. Not that I don't get your point, but Ryan and Spencer were best friends for ages, and they were the ones who started Panic!, so I'd have been far more heartbroken if it had been Spencer and Jon who left, actually... Ryan and Jon left the band, which is sad, because Ryan was sort of the one who started it and I actually liked Jon a lot, but Spencer and Brendon were the ones who supported the band, certainly. They deserve it, and they're doing great things with it.

  • @beckabrooke New Perspective was amazing, I thought. And even if Ryan and Brendon together the show would''ve gone on with less heartbreak for the fans cuz really that's the only two people really get excited about; that wasn't possible cuz they didn't agree with each other anymore!

  • if you really think about it, you're getting the best of both worlds because of the split. fans of fever can enjoy music related to that sense, while fans of pretty.odd. can listen to music closer to that album. i liked both, so for me i'm getting two kinds of music at once, instead of waiting for the next album in general.

  • @abbybops

    well,you have your point but it's not thesame without ryan.. : (

  • This is thumbs down because I loved Ryan and Jon in Panic!... Panic! was like the godliest band ever.

  • Brendon agreed that Ryan is a great songwriter, and that he kinda thinks his poetry sucks. A fever you Can't Sweat Out, and Pretty. Odd. were great in thier own ways. Both Brendon and Spencer think that Panic! At The Disco, and The Young Veins will flourish, and both become great bands.

    Can't we just say that there are no teams, and like both bands for their individual styles?

    I agree with Brendon and Spencer, both will become great bands!

    Team Panic! At The Disco, and The Young Veins!!!!

  • I don't see what's wrong with picking sides when you like one side's current progression over the other's. If "Oh Glory" and "New Perspective" is all I have to go on, then no, I'm not Team Panic! because I don't like either song.

  • I am just saying, you don't have to like either band. It's just a downer saying something was "FAR superior" when they both are great in their own ways. I don't care on your taste of music, there isn't a better band. They both will be great.

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  • don't agree, i think they all were better when brendon was singing ryans lyrics, and i hate the fact they split up;

    new perspective sounds great;

    but agree with fact that ryan writes amazing (complicated) lyrics

  • But if they were still together now, could you imagine the infighting that would happen considering the MAJOR direction change for Ryan/Jon and Brendon/Spencer? We could possibly have the most genre-confused album ever (if they would ever release one). And they'd probably hate one another after the fact or at least be resentful. How awkward would that be?

    If things got to the point where they stopped speaking to one another, splitting on good terms was probably the only remaining option 4them.

  • And I agree. If they were still together, either they wouldn't release a new album, because they were fighting too much, or the album, or the music would sound so different and all instruments would go in different directions.

  • @shannongurl992 again, neither of us could know that

    i was just saying i like who they were and in fact, i don't like The Young Veins; they're like ''already seen already heard' and pretty boring

  • @Em0Mia Whatever.

    I like TYV and I liked Panic until the split.

  • ryan ross has good taste in music old music is alot better than new music shit

  • why did someone give this a thumbs down? Ryan DOES have really good taste in music and older music in general. the past generations in my opinion had better music than we do today. each band sounds alike eg Boys Like Girls, Runner Runner etc. music then > music now. without the past we wouldnt have now. okay rant over lol

  • wrong conclusion. come back together panic at the disco. this is beyond wrong.  ryan and spencer have been friends seince hey were kids. i hate hate hate this

  • Can someone pretty please with a cherry and whipcream on top tell me who the "Young Vein" is? I keep seeing it pop up on Panic! vids.

  • its the new band that ryan and jon started after they left panic!.

  • Thanks.

  • yes

  • @xchococat333x and it sucks

  • @RefuseToDrop the band also kinda sucks. some of their songs r good but truthfully they r trying too hard to be like the beatles.. its soo stupid!>.<

  • @RefuseToDrop Its the new band Ryan (the guitar player in Panic!) Plays In,for my oppinion,they sound AMAZINGLY amazing :)

  • People, there is no proof that Ryden existed. Give it a rest. Brendon's lyrics are not as good as Ryan's in general. Take a look at "New Perspective". The song is catchy, but the lyrics are horrid. And what is "who cares Divine Intervention"?

    Oh Glory was pretty impressive though. I hope New perspective doesn't end up on the album though.

  • im just totally bummed that i never got my poster signed by them.... would it be totally horrible if i go to a young vein concert and try to get my PATD poster signed by ryan and jon?

  • @ANDshesaidwhoa

    nope, you deserve to get it signed :P

    and ryan was the one who STARTED the band soo he cant hate it much :P

    hehhee, i never even got to see them :( but good luck to you :D

  • @rckwituMJ yeah same they never came to lierpool :(

  • aww :(

  • that would be totally embarrassing.

  • gsh all this talk about panic going down hill... its depressing. i mean is there no chance of them getting back together????

    well, no. probably not. but one can hope!

    i think panic is going to continue being amaaaazing and i hope the young veins do good too.

  • what about the panic at the disco fans ryan and brendon were like brothers and spencer was ryan friend since llike grade school. aww wat happened...

  • okay everyone ryan wrote fever... he wrote most of them about his dad... duh! serisously... all the lyrics where ryan... he had a depressed album that sounded happy and then they had a im just having fun album...

  • @sdgal12

    what you said i completely true, Ryan write amazing lyrics and Brendon have an amazing voice

    Split up they are going down I mean, the young veins sounds like the beatles and panic at the disco is just too normal :(

    darn it.

  • you are totally right!!!!

  • ((thesefangs)) lol 'sexual tension'

  • que lastima,...... amo a panic sea como sean.... hasta el fin!!! love them!!!!

  • Aw. ]:

  • Are Ryan and Brendon still friends?

  • Yes, they're all still on good terms. Just a little creative differences.

  • Ohh thank you :D

  • he soundslike he was about to cry im about to cry too :(

  • I love Ryan, and I'm sad him and Jon are leaving, and I'm going to miss the old panic! But it probably was for the best....

    I'm sure they will get back together eventually. They just work to well together.

  • DUDE

    i know. i mean, brendon cant really write lyrics too good, and ryan doesnt have the best voice (although i still like it)

    THEY COMPLETE EACHOTHER

    maybe im just a rydon fangirl at heart though<3

  • no. what u said is totaly true, they do complete ea ch other!

  • i like 98% agree but i think ryan has a good voice but his new stuff aint as good as panic... not even close and i dont get how he could leave when it was mostly his lyrics anyway

  • AGREED.