Got half a mind to set up a fake church and give sermons on the bits no other preacher dares to touch, but the other half says the congregation may actually follow them.
Good question. But I think Christian r realy not Christian of today. They expend billions of Dollars for celebrating Christmas but do they realy care about Jesus or r they do for fun. They have sex, dance, party, is those Jesus would like to do or simple he hates to do. Ask ur self.
@TaylorX04 Have you ever heard of the Jesus Christians? They take all of this stuff really literally. Ironically, their founder claims to not take the Bible literally. (He believes in the Old Quaker belief that Jesus, not the Bible, is the Word of God).
Weird that the camel is still going through the eye of a needle when many pointed out that it is a misstranslation/ -print of kamelos (rope) to kamilos (camel).
But hey: 100% true, eternal word of God - no big deal if you get the wrong version, right?
@KevinJ1live This is an absurd question, especially for a Christian. If you consider yourself a fallen and sinful person, why do you advocate moral issues like not stealing, not killing, etc? Maybe it's because denouncing immorality is a greater cause than not being a hypocrite. Everyone makes mistakes, but if we are to therefore stop fighting for good causes, then all progress comes grinding to a halt. Truth rests on the evidence and arguments, not the character of those associated with it.
I cant tell whether you or supporting scripture hear or trying to condemn it!? but everything you said in this one was completely accurate. However, you must remember the church is like a hospital you don't go to a hospital if you are healthy but only if you are sick, Christ did not die for the righteous but instead died for sinners, imperfect people! If everyone was capable of being completely blameless than there would be no need for Christ!
@KevinJ1live Original sin never happened. Humans were not created by magic in a garden. There was never a "First Man and Woman." We evolved over millions of years into what we are now. So just with that Jesus was pointless.
Sin is a word designated to show a breaking of gods laws. The god of the bible isn't real, so therefor neither are his laws. Again Jesus was unnecessary.
People are not sick just because they don't beat their children or silence their wives as the bible commands.
I find this interesting. I used to go to a church that would preach on giving up everything to become a Christian. However, I never saw anyone actually walk the walk. We all held on to our TVs, radios, vehicles, etc. I remember always feeling guilty about having stuff and it drove me crazy. I'm glad to finally have been freed from Christianity.
@nostikquest I've been to too many churches like that to count. One of them asked for every member of the congregation to give a few dollars each week so that they wouldn't have to let go of one of the staff. This was their idea instead of just selling one of the 3 jumbo screens that hung above the stage, displaying various pictures and scenes for "enhancing" worship services. Asking for money is no problem, but giving up luxuries is tough. Jesus would be proud, don't you think?
@TaylorX04 I'm watching this video and something occurs to me: I have heard the bible referred to as an "Instruction manual for your life." Yet it has so much symbolism, allegory and just plain vague parts how does one use it to get the results they want? If I didn't know how to cook (Get to heaven) then I would need to be instructed on how to bake a cake (worship and live a sin-free life), what ingredients to use (the commandments, so to speak). With instructions like these I would have one f
Your thesis is very well constructed but again, you're eliminating nuance. The apostles gave up only those things that were beyond their means. They still had enough money to eat and travel and preach and Judas was their treasurer so they obviously did not give everything up. I think St. John Chrysostom sums it up well when he said that all we have that is more than what is needed by us belongs rightfully to the poor. Basically, you must not sacrifice your basic needs (Matt 7:5).
@TaylorX04 No, but your argument seemed to imply that a Christian should give up all that they have in a very literal fashion in order to properly follow Christ which isn't the case. They must only give up their excess as giving up all they have is in violation of another principle laid out in the texts, and furthermore, would render them in the same position of need as those people their excess is supposed to help. I was hoping you weren't going down that route and I'm glad you weren't.
@TaylorX04 it seems to me that when jesus talks about a disciple, he's talking about someone who will not only spiritually follow him, but PHYSICALLY follow him. if that's the case (within that context), i don't think your argument that a christian has to give up everything still applies. what do you think?
@TheLobstar666 How does physically following him mean that you don't have to give up everything when the text seems to suggest otherwise? If anything, giving up wealth and riches should be part of physically following him.
@TaylorX04 well yeah, the disciples that jesus was addressing had to give up everything in order to physically follow him; but how does that mean christians today have to give up everything? jesus isn't here anymore, if he was at all, so it would be impossible for a christian to literally follow jesus
I was in Jerusalem, it seams that in jesus' day caravans were taxed when they came through the main gate, there were other gates for the regular people, but much too small for merchants. One very skinny gate that camels laden with trading goods could never pass, was called "the eye of the needle" so the parable could have referred to, "it would be easier to get to heaven than a rich merchant with fat camel laden with good to get the the the gate "the eye of the needle"
Thank you for making these videos demonstrating the follies of sola scriptura, you're presumably an atheist, but thank you for showing how sola scriptura makes no sense when taken with full logical implications and showing why we need an infallible interpreter of scripture :)
TaylorX04 Have you considered that Jesus wanted people to leave everything to follow him right then, physically? Was he not traveling the lands to spread the word? Following his ways later on doesn't necessarily mean you have to be homeless. Following him physically at the time to spread the word would mean leaving everything behind.
I'm not a Theist at all, but I saw that as a possible interpretation of the passages you quoted. I love these types of videos and just found yours.
You have not dealt with the knowledge that Jesus did not tell everyone to give up their possessions. He only told a few people this because he knows that for some people their possessions would get in the way.
Some people he told not to follow him, but witness to their families instead. Should we conclude than that everyone should stay at home and not follow Jesus physically?
@3161029 Point me to any instance where Jesus did not tell someone to give up their possessions in order to follow him. It wasn't just the case for a few of his followers, it was the case for all of them. Yes, according to the gospels, he turned away a few wanna-be disciples, but reasons for this could be numerous (keeping it at 12, not wanting another newbie, etc). Overall though, these are sheer speculations, as there's not even evidence that the gospel Jesus is historical.
@3161029 Not what I'm saying at all, but clearly Jesus demanded his followers to give up their possessions and sell what they have. He didn't just do this with his disciples, but with anybody who asked what it takes to be saved, like the rich young man. Money doesn't buy salvation, but for Jesus and many others in his time, one had to reject worldly things like riches to be saved.
@3161029 I don't think it was for some people. I think that if even fishermen were told to leave what little they had, it was a rule for all his followers. If you look at his brother James and the Essene sect, which was often compared to Jesus' teachings, rejecting possessions and money was part and parcel of the ascetic lifestyle, hand-in-hand with vegetarianism, virginity, etc.
Leaving everything can't be a rule for everyone because Jesus didn't tell everyone to leave everything: Mat 8 Man with leprosy, Centurion; Mat 9 the paralytic, dead girl, sick woman. In fact in Mark 5, the man wants to leave and follow Jesus and Jesus tells him to go back home and witness there.
@3161029 So you're just going to hope that he meant it only for his disciples? Why follow anything else he taught them, if it could be supposed that it was only for his disciples? 90% of the time, Jesus did not teach that he was God. I guess that was only for the disciples to believe.
Paul was a shape-shifting con-artist who said anything to please his audience (1 Corin. 9:20-22). Plus, if he was a Pharisee and the son of a Pharisee (Acts 23:6), and a student of Gamaliel, he likely had money.
Essentially, to be a true follower of Christ you have to be the kind of dirty, free-loving, peaceful, homeless dirty hippy that our religious, political and educational authorities want so badly to die.
I remember reading that Christ told rich men to give all or half of their wealth to the poor, depending on the gospel. At least Christians have somewhat of a choice, although I haven't heard of many of them doing it.
Modern Christians have convinced themselves thy can have AND deserve both Earthly treasures today. and eternal life in the presence of their savior. Perhaps it's possible but their holy book, really doesn't indicate such, unless they use the OT in a cafeteria manner.
consciousproof, I understand what you are trying to say but I find it funny. You say that people shouldn't take the things written in the bible literal, but in the churches I've attended almost all the preachers and teachers there say that everything in the bible is 100% true and that we should take everything literal. That we can not take it as symbolism. Whenever I learned a special lesson from reading the text, they'd get mad at me and tell me that it's not a story, it's real. To be literal
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And where do you supposed we follow Christ to? This again, is taking scriptures out of context. Following Christ is not literal, because he is no longer alive. The apostles had to do it because he was walking around then. We follow Christ with our minds and hearts. The context of Luke was aimed at the money lovers who profess Christ. If you are not willing to give up worldly possessions and relations to walk with (spiritually) Christ, then you cannot attain salvation.
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Although disciple is used in both ways (for flock and apostles) you must understand again, the context of the conversation. The whole parable was aimed at the pharisees and scribes who were money lovers. (hypocrites) the point of giving up everything is a reference to your dedication to Christ. Is it mandatory that you leave everything or sell everything to believe in Christ? NO... only if its is a problem, like the parable of the rich man. He would rather have wealth than Christ.
Jesus calling his disciples to leave behind everything was not a parable for the Pharisees, nor is it clear that Jesus asked them to do it because they valued wealth more than God. So why did he call them to abandon their possessions and families to follow him, and what makes you think he wouldn't have intended that also for anyone that calls him/herself a follower of Christ?
@TaylorX04 ..You should re-do this video series and qoute from the KJV. All modern speech bibles are copywrited, many passages are worded completely different. For example ...the NIV contains about 58,000 less words, and some of the passages are the exact opposite from the KJV. Some passages are missing completely. Over all I thought it was a fair presentation. See Riplingers book...." New Age Bible Versions".
Why does it not surprise me that you're a "KJV or bust" kind of Christian? Lol. I love the theatrical tone of the KJV, but when it comes to the text itself, you have lots of interesting differences that are kind of hard to reconcile, like the mention of unicorns, cockatrice, and other mythical creatures.
@TaylorX04 The problem = since Jesus spoke in parables, our televangelists can choose what's a parable and what's not and persuade the audience to buy their agendas (and vials of holy water). Because we all need to do out part in the War on Vampires. But seriously, I just now realized you were an atheist. Well, bravo. From a Christian perspective, it's amusing that I find more spiritual truths in your videos than in years of mainstream Christian programming. You should become an evangelist xD
"These 12 Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. As you go, preach this message: '... Freely you have received, freely give. Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep."
This is a great video, I'm really anxious to see some comments from some die-hard Jesus freaks. They would fail the minute their fingers hit the keys! (how much did that computer cost you?)
You always seem to find the hardest verses and several to back them up, that keep them from weaseling outta responsibility for their defiance against them.
Watching this video gave me small idea to my head... Some christians say only thing you need to do is to beleave in jesus and accept him as savior, but doesn't that mean you need to also beleaves in his words too? Which means that you also need to give away your wealth, if you want to get into to the heaven.
I just got punted over here from King Heathen - congrats on the Award.
I'm working my way through this series and enjoying it so far... But here is what I'm thinking so far.
To be a 'good christian' in a literal sense, you'd have to renounce your family, give away all your possessions and wander the Earth obeying and applying God's laws, stoning gays, adulters and sunday workers to death.
Religiously maniacal murderous vagrants?
Also, is abandoning your parents considered disrespecting them?
Again and again the Christianity described in the New Testament by Jesus, his apostles and writers reminds me more and more on the Sangha Order of Buddhism.
Give up worldly things and focus on the spiritual, end desire to end sin, devote wholeheartedly to teachings for salvation, live a benign life and so on.
Ah, wonderful metaphor. How wonderful the bible is...allegory, symbolism, metaphor...all in a book purported to be the path for salvation for mankind!
When you consider the wealth represented by the larger Christian organizations and the obvious personal wealth of many public 'men of god', it is not surprising that they would ignore or make these pathetic attempts to alter the meaning of these passages.
It is much the same as they way they use parts of Mathew to defend their refusal to pay taxes when the passages in Mathew has Jesus saying quite the opposite.
Hovind in in prison for his personal greed, not for Je$u$.
It's even more fun if you ask several people to do this and then assemble them in a group asking why the bibles they gave you are colored differently.
Any xtian who wishes to give up all his worldly possessions in order to better follow christ should contact me for speedy and professional wealth divestment services.
Dammit, I knew there was something I forgot to include in this video.
Oh well, I'll just find a random Christian and ask them for some of their possessions myself. If they refuse, I'll remind them of Luke 6:30... wait, why hasn't anybody done this with Ray Comfort, asking to take over his Way of the Master business and close it down?
Very nicely done. As Thatgaybloke quite correctly said, this cherry gets left on the tree when Christians are picking which parts of the Bible to follow.
Another interesting thing about the portrayal of the encounter between Jesus and the rich man is that when the rich man asks Jesus what he must do to inherit eternal life, Jesus first instruction is that the rich man should obey the commandments. Odd thing that, eh: Jesus instructing people to obey the Law to gain salvation? ;-)
Thanks for the compliments. It's also interesting that when Jesus lists the commandments, he only lists six of them, including one that is not found in the Old Testament ("do not defraud"). It's amazing what closely reading the bible can do for you, isn't it? Lol.
Two weekends ago I spent several hours pointing out the atrocious, the absurd and the contradictions in the bible. When I mentioned that innocent babies would have died in God's flood to my mother-in-law, she replied "drowning only takes four minutes."
"Fisherman Peter, by the sea, drop your trousers, and follow me..."
Just a rhyme from outside of my Religious classes we get to have in the UK... Haha, we knew it was all crap at age 10... Please break that separation of church and state thing... You're giving it power by keeping it there...
2:08 you seem to have confused being rich with living beyond one's means. A rich person may well not live beyond their means, in fact, they may be quite frugal and live well within their means and this could be why they are rich.
True, but my point is in how some Christians seem to define rich people in such a way, when there is no biblical support for it. Hence my comments on how a rich man does not necessarily have a six figure income, mansion, or private jet.
Luke 6:27-36 is a great passage to quote at christians, especially those who have wealth. There is no way round it, they claim metaphor/allegory but there is no way it can be either as the phrasing is simple and direct.
@Dwicker64 There are alot of Dems and Libertarians who are "christians"as well! Who do folks think they need a sky daddy, or goverment, or anything but self? Republicans? Some of the worst fundies I have met have been leftist!
I will not deny what you said, I just think Republicans, Capitalist, and Religion is one big triangle. Each category hides behind the other. Democrats also included. Money talks and bullshit walks.
there is a user on here named WordPlanter who is supposedly a pastor and i called him out on these verses and he gave the worst response i have ever heard. he also made a video on church reform where he said 1 timothy 5:17 translates to pasters should receive double pay when what it actually says is double honor and has nothing to do with pay. he had to go to a bible endorsed by billy graham (lol) to get that translation.
Got half a mind to set up a fake church and give sermons on the bits no other preacher dares to touch, but the other half says the congregation may actually follow them.
Symos 1 month ago
Good question. But I think Christian r realy not Christian of today. They expend billions of Dollars for celebrating Christmas but do they realy care about Jesus or r they do for fun. They have sex, dance, party, is those Jesus would like to do or simple he hates to do. Ask ur self.
solynawaz 3 months ago
@TaylorX04 Have you ever heard of the Jesus Christians? They take all of this stuff really literally. Ironically, their founder claims to not take the Bible literally. (He believes in the Old Quaker belief that Jesus, not the Bible, is the Word of God).
HorrorChica94 4 months ago
Weird that the camel is still going through the eye of a needle when many pointed out that it is a misstranslation/ -print of kamelos (rope) to kamilos (camel).
But hey: 100% true, eternal word of God - no big deal if you get the wrong version, right?
mehja1 5 months ago
Continued.... You are imperfect as well, So why are you so harsh in chastising other who are as you, imperfect?
KevinJ1live 6 months ago
@KevinJ1live This is an absurd question, especially for a Christian. If you consider yourself a fallen and sinful person, why do you advocate moral issues like not stealing, not killing, etc? Maybe it's because denouncing immorality is a greater cause than not being a hypocrite. Everyone makes mistakes, but if we are to therefore stop fighting for good causes, then all progress comes grinding to a halt. Truth rests on the evidence and arguments, not the character of those associated with it.
TaylorX04 6 months ago 14
I cant tell whether you or supporting scripture hear or trying to condemn it!? but everything you said in this one was completely accurate. However, you must remember the church is like a hospital you don't go to a hospital if you are healthy but only if you are sick, Christ did not die for the righteous but instead died for sinners, imperfect people! If everyone was capable of being completely blameless than there would be no need for Christ!
KevinJ1live 6 months ago
@KevinJ1live Original sin never happened. Humans were not created by magic in a garden. There was never a "First Man and Woman." We evolved over millions of years into what we are now. So just with that Jesus was pointless.
Sin is a word designated to show a breaking of gods laws. The god of the bible isn't real, so therefor neither are his laws. Again Jesus was unnecessary.
People are not sick just because they don't beat their children or silence their wives as the bible commands.
TheAnubisDrake 6 months ago
This would be nice. We wouldn't have to deal with whiny Christian politicians saying everyone is persecuting them.
HimesInu 8 months ago
I find this interesting. I used to go to a church that would preach on giving up everything to become a Christian. However, I never saw anyone actually walk the walk. We all held on to our TVs, radios, vehicles, etc. I remember always feeling guilty about having stuff and it drove me crazy. I'm glad to finally have been freed from Christianity.
nostikquest 8 months ago 2
@nostikquest I've been to too many churches like that to count. One of them asked for every member of the congregation to give a few dollars each week so that they wouldn't have to let go of one of the staff. This was their idea instead of just selling one of the 3 jumbo screens that hung above the stage, displaying various pictures and scenes for "enhancing" worship services. Asking for money is no problem, but giving up luxuries is tough. Jesus would be proud, don't you think?
TaylorX04 8 months ago
@Talonypoo fucked up cake. Those at least with baking you get a second chance if you have a few extra bucks. If I believed this I would be pissed!
TalonyPoo 8 months ago
@TalonyPoo Actually, you'd be blind and oblivious to this fact.
HimesInu 8 months ago
@TaylorX04 I'm watching this video and something occurs to me: I have heard the bible referred to as an "Instruction manual for your life." Yet it has so much symbolism, allegory and just plain vague parts how does one use it to get the results they want? If I didn't know how to cook (Get to heaven) then I would need to be instructed on how to bake a cake (worship and live a sin-free life), what ingredients to use (the commandments, so to speak). With instructions like these I would have one f
TalonyPoo 8 months ago
Your thesis is very well constructed but again, you're eliminating nuance. The apostles gave up only those things that were beyond their means. They still had enough money to eat and travel and preach and Judas was their treasurer so they obviously did not give everything up. I think St. John Chrysostom sums it up well when he said that all we have that is more than what is needed by us belongs rightfully to the poor. Basically, you must not sacrifice your basic needs (Matt 7:5).
gambleor 10 months ago
@gambleor I don't recall ever arguing that the disciples or Christians have to sacrifice their basic needs.
TaylorX04 10 months ago 2
@TaylorX04 No, but your argument seemed to imply that a Christian should give up all that they have in a very literal fashion in order to properly follow Christ which isn't the case. They must only give up their excess as giving up all they have is in violation of another principle laid out in the texts, and furthermore, would render them in the same position of need as those people their excess is supposed to help. I was hoping you weren't going down that route and I'm glad you weren't.
gambleor 10 months ago
Nice one Taylor. I used to wonder why Bishops got to live in a Palace. I guess they didnt go to heaven.
calmreason 10 months ago
@TaylorX04 it seems to me that when jesus talks about a disciple, he's talking about someone who will not only spiritually follow him, but PHYSICALLY follow him. if that's the case (within that context), i don't think your argument that a christian has to give up everything still applies. what do you think?
TheLobstar666 10 months ago
@TheLobstar666 How does physically following him mean that you don't have to give up everything when the text seems to suggest otherwise? If anything, giving up wealth and riches should be part of physically following him.
TaylorX04 10 months ago
@TaylorX04 well yeah, the disciples that jesus was addressing had to give up everything in order to physically follow him; but how does that mean christians today have to give up everything? jesus isn't here anymore, if he was at all, so it would be impossible for a christian to literally follow jesus
TheLobstar666 10 months ago
wow! look at all the comments from christians who are saying 'yes! I will give up everything and follow Jesus!'
oh wait, they're really all saying 'this doesnt apply to me; I'm keeping my shit'.
sorry jesus-
untestableClaims 10 months ago
I was in Jerusalem, it seams that in jesus' day caravans were taxed when they came through the main gate, there were other gates for the regular people, but much too small for merchants. One very skinny gate that camels laden with trading goods could never pass, was called "the eye of the needle" so the parable could have referred to, "it would be easier to get to heaven than a rich merchant with fat camel laden with good to get the the the gate "the eye of the needle"
cjeffers101 1 year ago
"well christians, what are you waiting for?" ...lol
ndjarnag 1 year ago
Thank you for making these videos demonstrating the follies of sola scriptura, you're presumably an atheist, but thank you for showing how sola scriptura makes no sense when taken with full logical implications and showing why we need an infallible interpreter of scripture :)
addictedkoala 1 year ago
TaylorX04 Have you considered that Jesus wanted people to leave everything to follow him right then, physically? Was he not traveling the lands to spread the word? Following his ways later on doesn't necessarily mean you have to be homeless. Following him physically at the time to spread the word would mean leaving everything behind.
I'm not a Theist at all, but I saw that as a possible interpretation of the passages you quoted. I love these types of videos and just found yours.
beayn 1 year ago
You have not dealt with the knowledge that Jesus did not tell everyone to give up their possessions. He only told a few people this because he knows that for some people their possessions would get in the way.
Some people he told not to follow him, but witness to their families instead. Should we conclude than that everyone should stay at home and not follow Jesus physically?
3161029 1 year ago
@3161029 Point me to any instance where Jesus did not tell someone to give up their possessions in order to follow him. It wasn't just the case for a few of his followers, it was the case for all of them. Yes, according to the gospels, he turned away a few wanna-be disciples, but reasons for this could be numerous (keeping it at 12, not wanting another newbie, etc). Overall though, these are sheer speculations, as there's not even evidence that the gospel Jesus is historical.
TaylorX04 1 year ago
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3161029 1 year ago
@3161029 Not what I'm saying at all, but clearly Jesus demanded his followers to give up their possessions and sell what they have. He didn't just do this with his disciples, but with anybody who asked what it takes to be saved, like the rich young man. Money doesn't buy salvation, but for Jesus and many others in his time, one had to reject worldly things like riches to be saved.
TaylorX04 1 year ago
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3161029 1 year ago
@3161029 I don't think it was for some people. I think that if even fishermen were told to leave what little they had, it was a rule for all his followers. If you look at his brother James and the Essene sect, which was often compared to Jesus' teachings, rejecting possessions and money was part and parcel of the ascetic lifestyle, hand-in-hand with vegetarianism, virginity, etc.
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04
Leaving everything can't be a rule for everyone because Jesus didn't tell everyone to leave everything: Mat 8 Man with leprosy, Centurion; Mat 9 the paralytic, dead girl, sick woman. In fact in Mark 5, the man wants to leave and follow Jesus and Jesus tells him to go back home and witness there.
3161029 1 year ago
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3161029 1 year ago
@3161029 So you're just going to hope that he meant it only for his disciples? Why follow anything else he taught them, if it could be supposed that it was only for his disciples? 90% of the time, Jesus did not teach that he was God. I guess that was only for the disciples to believe.
Paul was a shape-shifting con-artist who said anything to please his audience (1 Corin. 9:20-22). Plus, if he was a Pharisee and the son of a Pharisee (Acts 23:6), and a student of Gamaliel, he likely had money.
TaylorX04 1 year ago
Keep your Jew religion. Yeah give away everything, lmao
silverpizza100 1 year ago
@silverpizza100 Not a Jew, and I have no religion. Yeah, keep making stupid comments. Lmao.
TaylorX04 1 year ago 3
Christ, that is fu*ked up, Jesus.
HimmuraTube 1 year ago
Essentially, to be a true follower of Christ you have to be the kind of dirty, free-loving, peaceful, homeless dirty hippy that our religious, political and educational authorities want so badly to die.
mbarrett4th 1 year ago
Tell this to all those jesusfreak rednecks who don't want to pay taxes for healthcare. "Your god said you had to give and don't ask back~!"
Shalek 1 year ago
Jesus. The Role Model for Family Values!
Er... yeah.
rationalmuscle 1 year ago
I remember reading that Christ told rich men to give all or half of their wealth to the poor, depending on the gospel. At least Christians have somewhat of a choice, although I haven't heard of many of them doing it.
TheForwardGaze 1 year ago
No wonder christians live in conflicted confusion and make no sense to others.
holio84 1 year ago
Modern Christians have convinced themselves thy can have AND deserve both Earthly treasures today. and eternal life in the presence of their savior. Perhaps it's possible but their holy book, really doesn't indicate such, unless they use the OT in a cafeteria manner.
westkan 2 years ago
consciousproof, I understand what you are trying to say but I find it funny. You say that people shouldn't take the things written in the bible literal, but in the churches I've attended almost all the preachers and teachers there say that everything in the bible is 100% true and that we should take everything literal. That we can not take it as symbolism. Whenever I learned a special lesson from reading the text, they'd get mad at me and tell me that it's not a story, it's real. To be literal
spinalglacier 2 years ago
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And where do you supposed we follow Christ to? This again, is taking scriptures out of context. Following Christ is not literal, because he is no longer alive. The apostles had to do it because he was walking around then. We follow Christ with our minds and hearts. The context of Luke was aimed at the money lovers who profess Christ. If you are not willing to give up worldly possessions and relations to walk with (spiritually) Christ, then you cannot attain salvation.
concsciousproof 2 years ago
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Although disciple is used in both ways (for flock and apostles) you must understand again, the context of the conversation. The whole parable was aimed at the pharisees and scribes who were money lovers. (hypocrites) the point of giving up everything is a reference to your dedication to Christ. Is it mandatory that you leave everything or sell everything to believe in Christ? NO... only if its is a problem, like the parable of the rich man. He would rather have wealth than Christ.
concsciousproof 2 years ago
Jesus calling his disciples to leave behind everything was not a parable for the Pharisees, nor is it clear that Jesus asked them to do it because they valued wealth more than God. So why did he call them to abandon their possessions and families to follow him, and what makes you think he wouldn't have intended that also for anyone that calls him/herself a follower of Christ?
TaylorX04 2 years ago
@TaylorX04 ..You should re-do this video series and qoute from the KJV. All modern speech bibles are copywrited, many passages are worded completely different. For example ...the NIV contains about 58,000 less words, and some of the passages are the exact opposite from the KJV. Some passages are missing completely. Over all I thought it was a fair presentation. See Riplingers book...." New Age Bible Versions".
vachief 2 years ago
Why does it not surprise me that you're a "KJV or bust" kind of Christian? Lol. I love the theatrical tone of the KJV, but when it comes to the text itself, you have lots of interesting differences that are kind of hard to reconcile, like the mention of unicorns, cockatrice, and other mythical creatures.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
@TaylorX04 ....Thought you might want to know.....read the book, it might change your mind.
vachief 2 years ago
@TaylorX04 The problem = since Jesus spoke in parables, our televangelists can choose what's a parable and what's not and persuade the audience to buy their agendas (and vials of holy water). Because we all need to do out part in the War on Vampires. But seriously, I just now realized you were an atheist. Well, bravo. From a Christian perspective, it's amusing that I find more spiritual truths in your videos than in years of mainstream Christian programming. You should become an evangelist xD
mbarrett4th 1 year ago
@concsciousproof Maybe it isn't a where so much as a how. Follow his example, give away all your stuff.
triftenC 2 years ago
Matthew 10:5-10
"These 12 Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. As you go, preach this message: '... Freely you have received, freely give. Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep."
Leave the iPhone.
ABTechie 2 years ago
Thank you for these videos, sir. As a former Christian myself, I have seen many mental backflips upon the summoning of certain passages.
kmatzukaze 2 years ago 2
This is a great video, I'm really anxious to see some comments from some die-hard Jesus freaks. They would fail the minute their fingers hit the keys! (how much did that computer cost you?)
AcquiredKnowledge 2 years ago 3
Great video Taylor.
You always seem to find the hardest verses and several to back them up, that keep them from weaseling outta responsibility for their defiance against them.
AncientLie 2 years ago
Thanks. I do my best to anticipate counter-arguments when I can. Having been a Christian for many years, I even used to use some of them myself.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
@TaylorX04
Watching this video gave me small idea to my head... Some christians say only thing you need to do is to beleave in jesus and accept him as savior, but doesn't that mean you need to also beleaves in his words too? Which means that you also need to give away your wealth, if you want to get into to the heaven.
Tespri 2 years ago
I just got punted over here from King Heathen - congrats on the Award.
I'm working my way through this series and enjoying it so far... But here is what I'm thinking so far.
To be a 'good christian' in a literal sense, you'd have to renounce your family, give away all your possessions and wander the Earth obeying and applying God's laws, stoning gays, adulters and sunday workers to death.
Religiously maniacal murderous vagrants?
Also, is abandoning your parents considered disrespecting them?
AnonEyeMouse 2 years ago 5
That Copenhagen Treaty looks like a winner.Carbon taxes anyone??? =D
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Maybe if they did leave it all behind, they would be too poor to reproduce and eventually we would no longer have any christians or silly beliefs.
RDJim 2 years ago
i wonder what teachers of the prosperity gospel would say to this.
freethinker3161 2 years ago
Again and again the Christianity described in the New Testament by Jesus, his apostles and writers reminds me more and more on the Sangha Order of Buddhism.
Give up worldly things and focus on the spiritual, end desire to end sin, devote wholeheartedly to teachings for salvation, live a benign life and so on.
Maybe Jesus did study in India for a while.
ginkiba3 2 years ago
Thats because much of it is borrowed from the Upanishads.Brahmins were in that area in that time and instructed Rabbis like Hillel.
lipoicacid 2 years ago
I think Sean Hannity, O'Reily, and every *Christian Conservative* needs to watch this video.
Put up or shut up.
OnTheFritz602 2 years ago 12
Jesus was only speaking metaphorically when he said his followers had to give up everything! ;)
destronia123 2 years ago
Ah, wonderful metaphor. How wonderful the bible is...allegory, symbolism, metaphor...all in a book purported to be the path for salvation for mankind!
Godshoulddie 2 years ago 2
you even put a winking smiley face, some people don't get sarcasm. the lowest form of wit flies over their head.
bignastydragon 2 years ago
@destronia123 Really? Because it seems pretty clear in the Gospel that all of the people who followed him during his lifetime did exactly that.
mbarrett4th 1 year ago
When you consider the wealth represented by the larger Christian organizations and the obvious personal wealth of many public 'men of god', it is not surprising that they would ignore or make these pathetic attempts to alter the meaning of these passages.
It is much the same as they way they use parts of Mathew to defend their refusal to pay taxes when the passages in Mathew has Jesus saying quite the opposite.
Hovind in in prison for his personal greed, not for Je$u$.
macnutz 2 years ago 3
As it is quite often.
Stuff in the Bible Christians like, are literal to them.
Stuff in the Bible Christians don't like, are a metaphor or a parable or taken out of context.
Even if the Bible was the true word of Yahweh, that still might be the case, but it should be quite telling of the nature of the book nonetheless.
brutus149 2 years ago 5
Always nice to ask them to provide you a bible with the literal parts in red and the metaphors in another color.
MrFacet 2 years ago 2
It's even more fun if you ask several people to do this and then assemble them in a group asking why the bibles they gave you are colored differently.
FHomeBrew 2 years ago 2
Aaaaah. I see where this led into the Ray Comfort request you made.
See how reading the bible leads you into greed?
;-)
TheTruePooka 2 years ago 2
This video would be a hefty dose of reality for any Christian who sees it...or would it be a hefty dose of fiction? Whatever the case, great job!
zombiechaddy 2 years ago
Any xtian who wishes to give up all his worldly possessions in order to better follow christ should contact me for speedy and professional wealth divestment services.
5/5
LordSlag 2 years ago 21
Dammit, I knew there was something I forgot to include in this video.
Oh well, I'll just find a random Christian and ask them for some of their possessions myself. If they refuse, I'll remind them of Luke 6:30... wait, why hasn't anybody done this with Ray Comfort, asking to take over his Way of the Master business and close it down?
TaylorX04 2 years ago
@LordSlag Hey now, you're gonna share the wealth, right?
HimesInu 8 months ago
TaylorX04,
I always enjoy your posted videos--thanks for the brilliant scripture deconstruction!
KLinZ3 2 years ago
Mmmm xtionanity....chocked full of contradictions in every bite. Yummy!
Well done as usual Taylor
mtsac1 2 years ago
Very nicely done. As Thatgaybloke quite correctly said, this cherry gets left on the tree when Christians are picking which parts of the Bible to follow.
Another interesting thing about the portrayal of the encounter between Jesus and the rich man is that when the rich man asks Jesus what he must do to inherit eternal life, Jesus first instruction is that the rich man should obey the commandments. Odd thing that, eh: Jesus instructing people to obey the Law to gain salvation? ;-)
ProfMTH 2 years ago 4
Thanks for the compliments. It's also interesting that when Jesus lists the commandments, he only lists six of them, including one that is not found in the Old Testament ("do not defraud"). It's amazing what closely reading the bible can do for you, isn't it? Lol.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
It is indeed. ;-)
ProfMTH 2 years ago 2
Two weekends ago I spent several hours pointing out the atrocious, the absurd and the contradictions in the bible. When I mentioned that innocent babies would have died in God's flood to my mother-in-law, she replied "drowning only takes four minutes."
I am so sad for them.
MtlRedAtheist 2 years ago 7
"Fisherman Peter, by the sea, drop your trousers, and follow me..."
Just a rhyme from outside of my Religious classes we get to have in the UK... Haha, we knew it was all crap at age 10... Please break that separation of church and state thing... You're giving it power by keeping it there...
Actual irony...!!!
RodHullIOnceWasHim 2 years ago
If this Jesus Fable were true, most Christians would "miss the mark" and end up in hell anyway.
I propose "Ebal's Wager"....tell Jesus to kiss your ass, keep your wealth, sleep late on Sundays, and go to hell happy.
Ebal the Atheist
PS The video was fantastic! fantabulous!
ebaltrace 2 years ago 2
2:08 you seem to have confused being rich with living beyond one's means. A rich person may well not live beyond their means, in fact, they may be quite frugal and live well within their means and this could be why they are rich.
farvision 2 years ago
True, but my point is in how some Christians seem to define rich people in such a way, when there is no biblical support for it. Hence my comments on how a rich man does not necessarily have a six figure income, mansion, or private jet.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
Luke 6:27-36 is a great passage to quote at christians, especially those who have wealth. There is no way round it, they claim metaphor/allegory but there is no way it can be either as the phrasing is simple and direct.
Cowinspace 2 years ago
Church doesn't pay taxes.....they need to audited.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
No wonder he was crucified.
Seriously, odds are this mythological figure never said such a thing in the first place.
accersitusmaximus 2 years ago
Wouldn't the two brothers leaving their family to follow Jesus be breaking "Honour thy father and thy mother"?
Wolfau5 2 years ago 6
Easy to see why this particular cherry gets left on the tree when the Christians are deciding which bits of their bible they want to follow.
thatgaybloke 2 years ago 2
There were more then a few first cntry folks who lived like we do. Not having to work, big mansions, etc. The "holy land"was NOT a vacume.
wolfofthewhitemt 2 years ago
Why aren't Christians more Christ like? You really put a dagger in the hearts of republicans.
Dwicker64 2 years ago
@Dwicker64 There are alot of Dems and Libertarians who are "christians"as well! Who do folks think they need a sky daddy, or goverment, or anything but self? Republicans? Some of the worst fundies I have met have been leftist!
wolfofthewhitemt 2 years ago
I will not deny what you said, I just think Republicans, Capitalist, and Religion is one big triangle. Each category hides behind the other. Democrats also included. Money talks and bullshit walks.
Dwicker64 2 years ago
there is a user on here named WordPlanter who is supposedly a pastor and i called him out on these verses and he gave the worst response i have ever heard. he also made a video on church reform where he said 1 timothy 5:17 translates to pasters should receive double pay when what it actually says is double honor and has nothing to do with pay. he had to go to a bible endorsed by billy graham (lol) to get that translation.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
As Always...Awesome.
Thanks for your time.
ubermenschification 2 years ago 2
kicked some serious ass on this one man. this is one of the biggest threats to modern christianity i have seen.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago 3
Ironically, modern Xianity is it's own worse enemy.
RadarKat73080 2 years ago 4