Alex Joneses 4 Jesus and Peter Joseph Zeitgeist 3/4 - Venus project vs NWO

[ItsNAM1982]

fab upload my friend! would like more from u in the future! subbed your channel .

[socratiz]

@ItsNAM1982

Thank you brother. I very much appreciate your expression. I am working on something much bigger that will compensate for my lack of making videos during the last 3 years. Very very exciting. ITS TIME!!!!

[ItsNAM1982]

@socratiz sounds fab look forward to it!

[Deadwind002]

"Monoplies are the result of open competition in the free market. The winners get bigger, and the losers go out of business. There is no intrinsic morality in capitalism, and the system encourages business to do anything to get ahead - fraud, bribery, buying off gov't officials."

Monopoly is crime - a free market is no longer such when the people don't hold Gov accountable. That's like saying murder is the result of weapons.

[socratiz]

@Deadwind002

I get where your coming from :) I like monopolies. When they are in the right hands :) I want Love to Monopolize :)

[Deadwind002]

@slmrcs: ''The insistence by capitalism apologists that "in a pure free market" the problems of capitalism will go away, is based upon religious belief in the free market. Religious faith in the "free market" outside of empirical evidence. It's about paradigm loyalty, and blindness to that which contradicts our paradigms.''

You said nothing to counter my claims. RBE isn't a bad idea - just stop blaming the ills of the world on enterprise when it's caused by Statist ideology.

[slmrcs]

I wished I watched this a few years ago. Your analysis of AJ is very accurate, and I this video is a great example of critical thinking. The problem with AJ as far as I can see is he'll detail everything wrong with the "NWO" but refuses to see the "NWO" is a logical consequence of the "free market" he loves. and yes, AJ doesn't see growth potential. I hate to say after this interview I turned away from zeitgiest, but now realize, zeitgeist is totally inline with my own views in so many ways

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[socratiz]

@slmrcs

thank you for your kind words. The key is in understanding that everything is in constant flux. We are all perfectly capable of transforming our belief systems in an instant if we choose to and so we should hold that as the ideal potentiality. AJ like many of us is going through complete transformation. I'm sure that the last 2 years has brought AJ much insight and integration. The Key role of revolutionary art is to make revolution irresistible. Aikido. Much love to you!

[Deadwind002]

@slmrcs: ''The problem with AJ as far as I can see is he'll detail everything wrong with the "NWO" but refuses to see the "NWO" is a logical consequence of the "free market" he loves.''

The NWO is the ENEMY of the free market. They are philosophical opposites. I loved all the Zeitgeist movies however, they cite big government policy failures and greed to cite against the Austrian monetary system itself. Will continue to support Zeitgeist but don't agree w/ everything.

[slmrcs]

@Deadwind002 You need to learn how to think holistically, or in terms of different aspects of the whole system (we all struggle with this at times). There is an internal contradiction in capitalism. Capitalism is based upon some form of "free market" however, the "free market" then concentrates power into monopolies. So yes, from a certain perspective the NWO is the enemy of the free market, but it was created by the free market. This is classically explained in terms of the Hegelian dialectic.

[Deadwind002]

@slmrcs: I am thinking historically. Monopolies only come into existence through the SANCTION of government. In a truly free market, the government exercises it's role of protecting the market from fraud. When it no longer does this, it is no longer a free market. A monopoly is inconsistent w/ a free market b/c it destroys competition. By implying your logic, one can say that we need to 'take a step back' from the 2nd amendment b/c the existence of guns causes people to abuse them.

[slmrcs]

@Deadwind002 Monoplies are the result of open competition in the free market. The winners get bigger, and the losers go out of business. There is no intrinsic morality in capitalism, and the system encourages business to do anything to get ahead - fraud, bribery, buying off gov't officials. Capitalism is an evolutionary process, were the fittest (in term of making money) survive and devour the competition.

[slmrcs]

The insistence by capitalism apologists that "in a pure free market" the problems of capitalism will go away, is based upon religious belief in the free market. Religious faith in the "free market" outside of empirical evidence. It's about paradigm loyalty, and blindness to that which contradicts our paradigms. It's hard for all of us to question our paradigms, as our schooling does not ever teach us to. It's something we all struggle against.

[Deadwind002]

Why are people still confused about capitalism? The NWO is a result of big government, not the free market, which we haven't had in almost a century. I'm not against a resource based economy and in fact I want to see one and live in one. A truly free market is philosophically opposed to monopoly and government choosing winners and losers. All the reasons cited against a monetary system by Zeitgeist were all failures of big government.

[slmrcs]

@Deadwind002 Any part of the NWO which is caused by big government, is in reality caused by corporations bribing and controlling big government. The free market is not a stable system. Such is the fascist system - the merger of gov't and corporations. Who got the fed income tax in for example? From a perspective gov't, but who was controlling government. Again...need to step back and look at capitalism from multiple perspectives as it is very complex.

[Deadwind002]

@slmrcs: Corporations bribing and controlling the government is not consistent with free market principles. The government giving corporations which they themselves have empowered through regulations and subsidization is not free market nor caused by a free market. We have not had a free market since 1913.

[Deadwind002]

@slmrcs: It's not complex at all - when the government oversteps its intended role of protecting individuals from fraud, violence or coercion, it is no longer, by definition, a free market. A central bank allows the government to spend whatever it wishes. When Walmart grows to the enormous size that it is today - it is b/c of government favoritism. In a libertarian society, none of these things would be happening. Any form of value, any resource, can be abused.

[Deadwind002]

I agree with everything you said about Alex Jones - but people need to understand the difference between a truly free market and government sanctioned monopolies.

[23mbtx23]

venus projects world would be a world without money.. true but a world without greed??? there will always be greed.. there will always be smarter people, prettier people, stronger people. a resource based economy would not allow scarcity of goods and that is a wonderful thing.. but there will always be things one person possess that another wants.. even in a society without scarcity. someone will always want your wife for example. so crime wouldnt be eradicated in a venus projects world

[socratiz]

@23mbtx23

Ur points r valid. What the Venus project projects as a possible future is 1 that is simply Much better than the 1 we have now. The situations which cause greed on the levels which you depict have more 2 do with the cultural views and perspectives that the people r brought up on. For example, we r quite shallow in the way we look & value others on a material level & that in turn is self destructive 2 ourselves as we r then inclined 2 value ourselves through the same lens.

[23mbtx23]

@socratiz If we COULD manipulate an environment to start a RBE.. it would be alot better than what we have now but im saying it simply cant be done while we are all on the same planet. We have 2k years of history/tradition/and CONDITIONING under the present system that couldnt go away even if a majority of people all agreed to start a RBE world. you can manipulate behavior of fish in an aquarium easier if you control everything from beginning, instead of altering an existing aquarium 4 example.

[socratiz]

@23mbtx23

I could think of an infinite amount of reasons why we couldn't transition smoothly and quickly into a RBE. Where focus goes energy flows.

Some people spend time thinking about all the details that rely on everything to remain the same. "People work very hard to make their lives very difficult".

For example. We have much more than 2k years of history.... you know that right? And in part of that history lies a hidden, undiscovered history which could transform our perception.

[socratiz]

@23mbtx23

Those cultural views as well r greatly influenced by the monetary system as the only way 2 capitalize on ones business in ex. fasion is 2 promote a status mentality if 1 looks the part. We propagate so many falsities simply on the premise of profit. In the words of Peter Joseph: "We R All Prostitutes 2 the system". (in many ways). u would b surprised 2 c exactly how many things would transform in a society which has reached the depiction of VP. Everything is Interconnected.

[dontblockmedk]

You hit the nail on the head my friend. I also used to listen to AJ TOO MUCH. Literally 3 hours a day from 2001-2007. Then I slowed down and found my attitude got MUCH better. Then after the PJ interview I was totally disgusted.

I posted a very low key criticism of AJ on his site and was BLOCKED with 3 different accounts. That is when I KNEW he was BS. Finally I changed my account to 'dont block me dick' and now I can post on AJchannel.

AJ = fear ego profit, PJ = solutions sharing prosperity

[greenhell666]

Alex Jones is as manipulative as fox news and cnn media whores.

He is also a christian ... go figure.

A libertarian with serious issues with collectivism.

And he loves some kind of free market capitalist utopia.

Oh, and did I mention he is a fearmonger?

[blaziermissy]

I couldn't agree with you more. Very great video. You speak and convey what you mean well.

[joesub007]

Don't forget that Alex Jones might also be influenced by his father.

watch?v=TTWiAhrdq44

You've just got to love the typical American family.

[movement26]

Excellent piece of commentary ,have given you 5 star rating. I like the fact that you are open and flexible to new ideas unlike Jones who I imagined vomited when he saw the cross being thrown to the floor.

[ninyae]

I suspect that Alex has fallen into the victim/saviour role. He appears to believe that he can save the world. Physician heal thyself, all else will follow.

[kootdizzle]

The biggest flaw with Jones is, he thinks he is doing an interview, and making documentaries but he always makes it about himself

[realitychecking1]

This is a good point. Alex is constantly defending his ego, and therefore has a hard time listening. I don't think Alex should become a villian here, but he is human and subject to the same negative aspects of life as the rest of us.

[zorbazoo]

And fear based information and tactics are already being used to great effect by the corporate media. Do we like how we feel after we watch the news? That is how I feel after listening to Alex. Actually to some extent that is how I feel after watching zeitgeist. Simply dropping facts and asking good questions is not enough we seem to desire to be entertained by seductive music and imagery while we digest our information. Anyway I'd just like to say that I agree with much of what you say-peace

[zorbazoo]

Here is my feeling on Alex Jones--I was already getting tired of his barking and fear based information, true or not. What Peter Joseph did, which is difficult, was provide alternatives as opposed to just identifying the problem, Kudos to Peter for that. Alex seemed to have his ego bruised over this. Like he thought he was the spokesperson for this information. Ridiculous!And before the conversation between the two I started to really question Alex's work because it was all fear based...

[grovestreet8]

great video man...

[gabeshave]

100% agreed and keep it going man, ill keep it going on my side

[type1human]

It is inevitable! Great videos!

[StillSmallVoices]

I agree with your points on Jones here, great commentary.

[NewVenusUtopia]

This is a great video. Truth is often the hardest thing to hear. My whole life I have been bred to compete with people. I formally withdraw myself from this system, which will actually take time, but in time i believe we will acheive what peter joseph sees for us.

Good luck everybody! Remember, It starts with you and me!

"We must become the change we want to see in the world".

-Mohandas Gandhi.

[verbeek69]

oh man!

100% agrea from this side!

Alex learn from this!

[therealsolstice]

alex jones is an attention whore... and i can't stand the sound of his voice

[substacja]

Very positive and constructive. Big Up!

[newuser1234567]

Dude...great video....and finally I can see someone talk with some sense in relation to A.J..

[Chronikhit]

I wish this guys' videos would get more hits... he deserves them more than most dumb motherfkers on here..

[WarInsideYourHead]

The means of attaining "Communism" was to be "Socialism", which required a central bank. Marx wrote about this in the 'Neue Rheinische Zeitung' to launch his ten points. Number 5 was: The centralisation of all credit into the hands of the state by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive economy.

In order to do this you need authority figures. You cannot get people to voluntarily accept fiat currency. You frickin' propagandist liar.

[kkklownknight6699]

You're a douchebag.

Alex Jones has never talked about a perfect world that's the type of world the Venus Project promises.

If you weren't such a freaking hippy you'd realise that the elites of standing armies and paramilitaries which means your Venus project wouldn't go anywhere.

You sound like robot so I suggest you chill the fuck out.

[WarInsideYourHead]

You sound like a child with all your name calling. Alex Jones has nothing to say about the future other than things like "80% of the world will be exterminated by 'evil' people". Listen to reason man.

[kkklownknight6699]

And Peter Joseph has nothing to say except for some hippy Communist nonsense that has never worked.

The Venus project is direct ripoff to Marxism. Read Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto then you'll wakeup and realise it's the same horseshit they've been promising for the last century except now they're using "cyborgs".

Didn't work before and won't work now.

Are you living in reality or have you been watching Star Trek too much and it has distorted your reality.

[WarInsideYourHead]

I've read both of those books. Communism required a central bank (money), used labor, had authority figures, and operated in scarcity. All of these things have nothing to do with what The Venus Project advocates. What are you trying to pull? Or did you just somehow miss these concepts when you "read" the Communist Manifesto? Drop the ad hominem man, it doesn't help your case.

[kkklownknight6699]

You've lost all credibility.

Marx never wrote about a central bank because wage labor does not exist money does not exist so what the hell good does a bank do?

Marxism never mentioned anything about authority figures so again you talk a bunch of BS.

I suggest you actually read those books first then come back and debate.

[WarInsideYourHead]

The means of attaining "Communism" was to be "Socialism", which required a central bank. Marx wrote about this in the 'Neue Rheinische Zeitung' to launch his ten points. Number 5 was: The centralisation of all credit into the hands of the state by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive economy.

In order to do this you need authority figures. You cannot get people to voluntarily accept fiat currency. You frickin' propagandist liar.

[Deadwind002]

@WarInsideYourHead: Why are you blaming money? It is Karl Marx and anyone who follows him or remains hoodwinked. By using your logic, I can imply that murderers require a weapon so therefore it is a failure of weapons.

And yes, despite my disagreement - Alex Jones is annoying BUT he does bring up things that need to be brought to attention. I think he may be a gatekeeper but better solutions have been brought up. People need to be able to stand against temptation. Money is not an excuse.

[WarInsideYourHead]

You were wrong about Marx. Read above - the 'Neue Rheinische Zeitung'

[Deadwind002]

@kkklownknight6699: I didn't like the fact that the film used failures of a central bank as reasons to show us that a monetary system doesn't work. It's like counting all the people dead and injured from hundreds of car accidents and blaming it on the actual cars. People have choices. Our currency destruction is not caused by a monetary system it is caused by apathy and a central bank. It's like saying people murder people b/c someone invented weapons. I mean no disrespect.

[freedomfightertwo]

Alex Jones is there to destroy that dangerous concept of a moneyless world. He's working for the Illuminati criminals to lead people astray.

[32GaugeSlug]

I don't agree with Alex on his stupid ego based views - but what you've just said is fucking ridiculous.

[freedomfightertwo]

No, it's not fucking ridiculous. Who's paying his salary to be on air? And it's called the "Alex Jones Show." The Zionist criminals who are destroying America and who control TV and Radio networks have never said anything against him. Why? At the end of the day, I feel that Alex Jones will lead many blind fools down a deadend street. He is just a reactionary, with no clear cut plans for the future.

[32GaugeSlug]

I take it back, I'm not arrogant enough or closed minded enough to say you're wrong. It's a possibility I suppose - these fuckers are clever and know what they're doing. Fascism will come to America wrapped in a flag and holding a bible - which is Alex down to a T.

[rp6107]

There is nothing wrong with this as for who am I to judge, but to grow we have to evolve. Free Energy. We have tons of it. I have had a few recent ideas and I have even made a video showing a working model of pvc steel plates and WATER that acts as a compressor with your engine and gives you an extra 5-8 miles to the gallon. People instantly say "WHY DON"T YOU PATENT THAT". Here is why, it's free, not an original, idea, I am sure unpatentable, point being, apply this to your life my friend free.

[rp6107]

JOB of Religion to complete you, just like one hears or reads about all religions being set down on the alter. They are all equal. The pyramid is incomplete as you are incomplete, it is not the job of religion to complete you, but for you to rise up and complete yourself. I came upon Zeitgiest and was elated in the fact that finally a documentary that touched on everything. So as you state AJ does not wish to grow, change hurts, some just want to stay in their compound with their guns.

[rp6107]

More Excellent view points. The F....ng for Virginity killed me.LMAO One of the best analogies I ever heard. As one pulls the veil away from there eyes, just like I was shocked the first time I saw a negative review on Alex Jones. I was in the catching up on the Freemasons and the Illuminati phase. My Grandfather who happened to be a Freemason taught me something a long time ago, Just like that pyramid on the back of the dollar being incomplete. We as all men are incomplete, and it is not the..

[righteouspolitics80]

i think alex mistrust of any system is what the main point is about. while one advocates not trusting anyone and the other advocating all fear will be eliminated by the social structure,do come into conflict. i think he meant by people who were mistrusting would they be isolated or forced to join. so it would actually divide humanity into groups of those who donot wish to trust and be re-educated. and people who are willing to trust and to roll the dice risk tyranny for a better society.

[TruthJockey]

Hey, thanks for the kind words - again, I think you've NAILED DOWN the issues in this series. And yes, there'd be a place in our transition phase for a pitbull like AJ. From hearing you talk, I think you'd really like Alan Watts (not Alan Watt, although he's OK too)...and since you have such a cool nickname, I think you'd like Dr Pierre Grimes work on Alchemy, Plato's Republic & everything else he's done - check out his analysis of Chinul too. Jung & Manly Hall are also worth studying, bro!

[imakrewitatl]

I agree man, prior to that interview i was fully behind alex and his movement. After that interview however i really began to question his motives and his perception, and it kinda rocked my world because i thought alex was (although quite eccentric at times) a very trustworthy guy and his intentions were nothing but good. Good video man, keep it up buddy!

[cbell003]

great video man!AJ is a trained professional. Any one that does a little research on NLP can tell....

[TheTophaLoaf]

I agree with what you're saying about Alex Jones. He looked so egomaniacal in his interview with Peter Joseph. I really hope more people see the interview in its entirety and then come watch your videos because they are very thoughtful and inspiring. Thanks again.

[countrybob2]

So the fox thought about it and finally agreed. So the scorpion climbed up on his back and the fox began to swim. But halfway across the river, the scorpion stung him.

As the poison filled his veins, the fox turned to the scorpion and said, "Why did you do that? Now you'll drown too."

"I couldn't help it," said the scorpion. "It's my nature."

"Listen to your heart"

[countrybob2]

A scorpion was wandering along the bank of the river, wondering how to get to the other side. Suddenly he saw a fox. He asked the fox to take him on his back across the river.

The fox said, "No. If I do that, you'll sting me and I'll drown."

The scorpion assured him, "If I did that, we'd both drown."

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[RonPaulvsTyranny]

absolutely brilliant.