The only good Insurance is your own mother and father or whoever made you but in remembrance that something greater than yourself inn different made us all 'You all///!
Even if you have insurance and pay for it for years and years they can still deny you treatment which can cause you to die. Why we let this happen in America is beyond me. If you can get coverage, just remember until things change, your insurance can stamp your claim as "DENIED". And nothing changes until the people decide that things should change.
5 m out of the supposed "46" million cannot afford it, the rest are either illegal immigrants or people who could afford it, but would rather have a plasma screen tv
Ok lets be fair. Any of us can get a job. That's not the issue here. Sometimes the job offers health coverage, wheras others do not. We can all work, but that alone does not solve the problem.
The Insurance companies have denied people born with a pre-existing conditions so what happens to them? They either pay higher premiums and do without, and therefore die.
So what do you suggest we do to make this fairer for all? I'm willing to have an open mind.
@pluto4847 actually this pent up fear of hemophiliacs unable to get health insurance is non existent. the reality is when someone with a pre existing condition (let's say hemophilia) applies for medical insurance, the provider doesn't even look at the fact that this individual has a blood disorder that could kill them with a paper cut.
Why do they do this? Because treating diseases like hemophilia is usually very cheap (simple blood clotting medicines will cure this.) (cont)
@Christoppher1994 These drugs of course are created cheap by another evil market:The pharmaceutical companies.
The medical insurance companies are willing to pay for these drugs and procedures for the copays (which aren't that bad anyway). Copays and late fee's are what drive the health insurance market, not premiums.
*SHOULD* have the right is what I said, not that we have the right.
But on that token, where in the constitution does it say you have the RIGHT to public education? Here's a hint, there isn't a right giving that to us, yet it is something that we all have and enjoy. It is for the greater good that we all have public education, as would it be for the greater good that we all have healthcare.
@machojam2 actually I think our public education system is a load of crap, getting rid of that would have only benefits upon our sosciety (if we had a voucher system)
But I agree, if everyone had health care (and or education), our society would be great. I do want to help people. However, I don't think using the governments power and authority to do so is not that way it should be executed. I do believe we need health care reform, but we shouldn't do it through a government beuarcracy that ...
@machojam2 only slow the system down. ( I believe there was a quote from a congresswomen that said " I want out health care to be as effeciant as the DMV")
It's a miracle! July 22nd there were 47 million people uninsured, last Wednesday night Pres. Obama declared there were now 30 million unable to get insurence. 17 million found insurence in 6 weeks. At this rate every will be covered by Christmas. Or are the politicians playing games with numbers again?
There you go! I don't hear anyone in Congress or that idiot President talk about TORT REFORM! that is what needs to be done! Not a complete transformation of an entire country's healthcare for 15% of the population!
That's not the full answer. There are several of jobs out there, but the INS premiums are quite often half the wages we earn from our jobs. Not every job offers healthcare. With the economy the way it is, we are lucky to have any job. Having a job doesn't mean we can afford coverage. If you lose your job, you won;t be able to pay off your Insurance anyway! So what's the real solution?
I can insure my family of five for $275 a month buying it on my own. My employer pays 100% of my premium.
How much money do you spend every month on internet access, cell phones, cable TV, dinners out, movies, concerts and all the other things that are not necessary for survival?
And why do you think your health insurance is the responsibility of anyone but yourself?
health insurance necessarily means people besides you are paying for your care. also your employer pays 100% of the premium.
The Average American pays double in both tax dollars and in personal cost for health care versus any other first world nation. All of those other nations have UHC.
The difference is force vs. choice. No one forced to buy insurance and help pay for the cost of others. That is a choice. My employer is not forced to pay 100% of my premiums. That is their choice and a part of my compensation for the work I do.
Government is force, period. Obama wants to force everyone who can pay to pay for those who can't.
Can you not see the difference between force and choice? Force is immoral. Choice is the American way.
when someone comes into an ER for something that was easily preventable and they can't pay, OUR TAX DOLLARS are used to pay the hospital. The force is already there.
What I'm saying is if every other first world country is doing it, why the hell aren't we and saving billions in tax dollars doing it?
Because it wont save any money. The CBO has already said it would cost a trillion dollars over 10 years. Name one government program that saved money. Medicare/caid is billions in te red. So is Soc. Sec. Costs are sky high because insurance lobbies for laws that benefit them. IOW, government created this mess by bowing to special interests. Having government take it over will not fix it. It will just make it less efficient. I still don;t care what other countries are doing. It doesn't matter.
Whoa whoa whoa, you can't be seriously saying America is worse than France or Japan?
Besides if the government took power, they could stick it to the insurance companies. Screw the special interests, do it for the general welfare of Americans as a whole and for the fact that every other country saves money.
The bottom line for me was that every other country saves money. It will cost a lot at first then it would go down, and my wallet would be happy.
You are the one saying America is worse than everyone else. I knew 'general welfare' would come up eventually. The supporters of this grossly misinterpret that clause. It was not designed to be used for charity. It means the federal government can promote the general welfare of the Union within the enumerated powers in the Constitution. UHC is not general welfare. It is individual welfare for a certain group of people.
We in the US pay so much not because of lack of UHC, but because of government regulations. I don't give a rats ass what other countries do. No other country on Earth in all of history was built on the foundation of individual liberty and personal responsibility. That is unique to America so what they do in France or anywhere else means nothing in the USA.
We made the Marshall Plan, we defeated Japan in WWII, we fought off the British, we won the Cold War.
America is great, there is no arguing that. So why aren't we great enough to do this? Are you saying America is uniquely incompetent compared to other countries? That somehow we cannot do what is done in every other First World Nation has done because we're somehow worse than them?
We aren't doing this because absolutely nothing in the US Constitution authorizes that the federal government do this. That alone should be enough. We aren't doing this because it wont save money, but cost $100,000,000,000 a year on top of the trillions of dollars of debt AND deficit we are facing. We are burying our great grandchildren in debt a generation before they are even born.
There's nothing in the US Constitution that allows for the war on drugs, for the president to continue a war without declaration and a lot of other things.
The two things that made me a believer versus non believer were:
What would Jesus charge for health care?
Why can't we not only save money compared to every other nation but do it better than them?
You're right and I oppose the illegal war on drugs. We haven't fought a legal war since WWII.
Jesus would have just helped his neighbor instead of using government to force people to do it. It's called free will and one of the main things he taught.
Why do you insist on comparing us to other nations? If the grass is so much greener on the other side, feel free to jump the fence for greener pastures.
"All who believed were together and had all things in common; they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need." Acts 2:44,45
"It is a question of a fair balance between your present abundance and their need." 2 Corinthians 8:13,14
"There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28
None of what you quoted says government should provide health care. As I said, Jesus is saying this is what they should do because they are Christians, not because government dictated it. All three of those still point to free will and choice.
And I bet the Jews would disagree with the last one quite a bit. And that's why religion has no place in our government.
No, I'm saying just exactly what I said. America is unique in that we are the only nation in history that is based on individual liberty and personal responsibility. Other nations don't have the same rules government must abide by the we do. FYI, those rules are clearly spelled out in the Constitution.
Are you saying we are incompetent because our nation is based on liberty and responsibility?
It is simply your opinion that every other First World nation is doing better than us.
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So if Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP cover seniors, kids, and the poor, and those are all government programs, and those programs aren't giving seniors the boot, why wouldn't we want to expand those to other Americans?
If onyl everyone would just give up food, clothes, and rent so they can get health care!
I am an accomplished trial attorney. I AM UNABLE TO GET MY OWN HEALTH INSURANCE. Period. End of Story. I am not disabled. I had to spend a fortune on medical bills. I had to close my lucrative law practice. I want to reopen my law practice in Coeur d Alene, Idaho or Spokane, Washington. I AM WILLING TO MARRY A GREAT LADY TO GET HEALTH INSURANCE. Richard
I've always looked at buying any type of insurance as a form of gambling. When you buy health insurance, you're basically betting on black that you'll get sick. And of course, the only way you can win is...well, by getting sick.
Laissez-faire has not been seen in this country since the 1850's. While not an expert, I have read a few books on economics from the austrian school like von mises, rothbard, hayek, and hazlit. I've even read some adam smith.
I agree with you on how the doctors control their numbers as a barrier to entry, BUT, it's set up that way because the government says so. If other medical associations could compete against the AMA, then things could be different.
If a rooster laid an egg on the pitch of a roof at midnight on the equator......which direction would the toilet water swirl after egg an omelet made from that egg after you crapped it out. I'm going somewhere with this. Trust me....!
I'm not out to change YOUR mind. There are hallmark characteristics in your responses that let me now your working on a big long drawn out obfuscation whereby you will try to maintain the status quo.
Its simple, socratic linear "yes or no" reasoning. I'm not here to change your mind either, and I'm not here to hate on anyone with a different view.
I'm more interested in putting my own philosophy to the test, and this is the most straight forward way to do that, without degrading into an all out argument. We already agree on a few points, don't we?
So what do you have to lose by challenging yours as well? I measured you as an open-minded person, and I'm hoping I'm right.
I have nothing to lose but time! You asked about using violense with each other. Maybe I unfairly tossed you in the the obfuscation seeking right wingers. I call it "inking up the water". Anyway - go ask away
Fair enough, and I do appreciate your time, as well as your intellect. Thank you.
Again, does an individual citizen have the right to initiate violence against other individual citizens who have not initiated violence on others first?
I'll disregard the other for the sake of time and space. Agreed?
Well Congress is filled with individual citizens who can take you ass off the street and send you to war through no fault of your own, but I think you mean non official business two neighbors? No duties of office involved?
So if Congress is to be "legitimate", it can only be delegated the same rights that individuals have, and since we agreed that this where it gets its legitimate governmental power, it would stand to reason that Congress has to "fire AFTER being fired upon", correct?
Interesting question. What do we consider being fired upon? Bush took the possibility of Iraq having weapons as justification to go in. You could say that of Australia however. The difference between mob rule and Democracy are cooler heads making decisions to benefit the majority. This is why laws always have definitions at the start.
So we can agree that because you nor I have the right to initiate force without force being initiated against us, government cannot be delegated the same right, correct?
If so, then the United States had every right to declare war on terrorists, but not on Iraq. On this I agree.
So, if "cooler" heads are in power, can they then be delegated rights that you or I don't have, if we already agreed that legitimate government cannot be given rights that individuals do not have?
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We have examples of "less governemnt" all around us. Nigeria, Afghanistan, Somalia,, Hati, etc...why ruin America like that? So you can save a penny in taxes? Why not move to Liberia and enjoy "less government there"? I hear Rwanda is nice too. GOTCHA.
"Argument" implies we have two valid yet opposing points and we have only one. Mine. Should we improve GOV? Hell yes. "Less government" means "less rights. Remember "no taxation without representation"? Do you think the Corporate fucks who kill children for pennies would think twice about turning your bones in to dust? Wake up kid.
PBS online has an interview with Former Cigna executive Wendell Potter. Cigna raked in 17 BILLION dollars in 07 alone by denying care that Americans paid for. This guy can't be dismissed as "liberal media" like fucking morons here say whenever they hear something they don't like. Google that and check it out.
maggot cigna, loves republicans ... Is that why you pick on them. PBS ? theres a real source for you. watching that after spongebob squarepants? MAGGOT BREAK IS OVER , BACK TO THE FRYER..
You can run a profitable medical based business. OR you can provide good health care. You can't do both. Any of you who scream "pro-life" who are aginst fixing the health care system is an idiot.
What if we took insurance out of the picture, and let medical services compete in a free-market environment by dealing directly with thethe patient (consumer..)? Non-covered treatments already do this - lasik, plastic surgery, etc. Their prices have plummeted tremendously. You also eliminate denial of treatment based on cost - by both insurance co.s and government - because "you want it, you buy it" - at a much lower cost.
Nobody complains about high vet costs. Why? No pet insurance companies!
That's the way it used to be. I grew up in the 70s. My Dad worked, mom stayed at home with 3 kids. They had no health insurance yet my middle class laboring old man could pay for the medical bills for 2 adults and three kids out of his pocket. What's changed since then? CORPORATIONS.
But then why ask the government to simply replace the corporations? Will they make it any better?
That's like being mugged by two crooks, and despite the fact that you're being robbed - of freedom and property, you're still more concerned about which crook is holding the gun!
Maybe we should reserve insurance for "catastrophic" needs - accidents, major illnesses or injuries. Prices for those policies would drop, and the prices for basic services will drop too.
You let Rush Limbaugh do your thinking for you. You and all Americans have benefitted from your government in ways you dont think about and you mistake your ignorance for proof the government is bad. Ever been in a car wreck? If so it seems you survived. Do you GM or Toyota a thank you for surviving? No. You owe it to the DOT.
You buy into the bullshit. Your government is YOURS. So if ADM or Microsoft wrongs you in a major way, and you don't like government - what do you do? Call Bill Gates out for a brawl? Right wing idiots live in a fantasy world. I don't have any say in my government beyond my 1 vote. It's 1 vote more than I have with anyone else. Corporations hate your rights becuase it cuts down on profits. You are a fool if you think you could ditch government and not end up like the people in Bhopal
Maggot? Was today Terrific Movie Tuesday at Shady Valley Retirement Home for Fake Veterans? Do you think you are Gunny Hartman? About your list - I know you are a pioneer in the new hot sector of endless self aggrandizing ranting on the Internet. Are you on your own list, fake old boy hungry pedophile?
In regards to your argument about government, I'd have to first ask you:
Is all legitimate governmental power derived from the people?
Secondly, in regards to Toyota or GM - How does it benefit a corporation to knowingly release a dangerous product ( in a vacuum devoid of government regulation, of course)?
You have to be more spesific for you #1 question. #2 Question = it benefitted Union Carbide by neglecting vital maintainance to increase profits. next.
#1 - its as clear as it gets. Its a simple yes or no question.
Does all legitimate governmental power derive from the people? In other words, in a legitimately free society, government can only be delegated the same rights that individual citizens have, correct?
#2 - Ok. Now, did Union Carbide get sued, or incur any sort of penalty from families, or governmental judicial systems for their erroneous actions ( a negative consequence)?
#1 - Ok. So do individual citizens equally have the right to initiate violent force against other individual citizens who equally have not first initiated violent force against others?
#2. Criminal trials notwithstanding, did Union Carbide get sued, or otherwise financially penalized?
***I forgot to clarify something here in my argument.
The term "corporation(s)" is fairly ambiguous, since the majority of all "corporations" are small, nothing more than a mere a manila folder tucked away in someone's personal filing cabinet at home. The term itself is not specific in the context of our debate.
Therefore, for the sake of context, I'd rather we refer to a specific type of corporation, or more accurately, the "health insurance corporations".
Call them what you will. They are a group of individuals working for PROFIT ONLY. Ask Union Carbide how much they helped the people in India. "Less Government" at work. Mexico - "less government". Hati = "less government" Notice a pattern?
UC cases were transfered to india in may86. 87 us court of appeals affirms transfer of litigation case to india. final outcome UC built 100 million dollar hospital. settled on 450 milliom comp package and sold their operations in Bhoph to india..... India court systerm dropped the ball on that. no hangings were beating we allowed. blame the dotheads on that one for non punishement over 3000 deaths
MAGGOT (blamerepublican) your 57 years old, you grew up in 70's? naw man your still growing up. No insurance? Your drunk old man was a loser like you. you mother made up on the extra income?
grew up in the 70's you lying maggot. your lying profile said you were 57? your mom worked on her back in the family van., she was the real bread winner or your old man was a drunk. still doing your sister you loser faggot?
Too bad they don't let fake veterans like you use the VA. You could get the help you need, fake old bitter liar veteran. Hell we could car pool. I'm going to the Phoenix Veteran's Hospital next month to have shrapnel pulled out of my neck and shoulder. Do you have any fake shrapnel in your flabby, punched out ass, fake veteran?
Phoenix Hosp. is a real nice spread good luck there. Bay Pines in the one near me. still needs reforming in a big way.Rep Bill Young is securing funds for them year after year even though he's a republican but he's still a family friend . I got the same shit in both legs from a bouncing betty... again fuck you!!! keep the humor coming in I need that to past the time away here.
Shows how much you know. It was a soft serve machine at "DQ". REMFs don't catch flack jackass. Please stop pretending to be something you are not - human.
MAGGOT (blamerepublican) fucking wrong again as usual. Private hospitals provide both. Govt run hospitals suck look at Walter Reed. know that for a fact ,jack .. buy how is your kiddie porn web site doing. Isnt that your children in the one scene?
I have an injured jaw and need surgery that will cost at least $6000. No hospital will perform it and just send me a bill. I must have all the money up front. So I have to endure this pain for the next several months or years while I try to work and save up $6000. Even buying insurance wouldn't help because it's a "pre-existing condition." And I'm not allowed to have pain medication because, ooh, that would be bad. You might get high off it or something. Better to for me to suffer in misery.
Instead of relying on the hospital, find a private that will finance the problem. Private doctors are businessman. I'm sure you can make a deal to make a payment plan. So it really is not an excuse.
Sorry, but you're totally wrong. What insurance can you get for $100 a month? It would've been better if you talked about how the existence of insurance has raised the cost of health care and priced the uninsured out of the market. That has happened through government intervention, deliberately tying health care to employment through tax incentives and labor laws. Insurance should be for catastrophes, not routine care. And you should be able to afford routine care, in a real free market.
We don't hate the poor. We hate the people who are blaming their problems on society. If you are poor, it's sad. Get some help from your family and friends, work hard, and get yourself out of that situation. If you stay poor, that's pathetic. It's your own fault, not society's.
Well, the first thing you need to know is that in this country, we don't have free markets. We have what is known as a mixed economy, i.e. soft fascism. The government regulates so many things.
The health care industry is one of the most regulated industry out there. The more regulation, the more expensive things get, because they have to jump through all these hoops just for the privilege of offering insurance. Look up the hmo act from the 70's. That's when things started going downhill.
I say, get rid of the insurance companies. Look at the HMO act from the '70's. Things were MUCH Cheaper when you paid cash. The real problem is the system.
I don't get this hate of profit. When you go to work, don't you try to make a profit from selling your labor to someone? Because when you break it down to it's simplest form, that's what you do when you go to work. You try to maximize your profit then, don't you? A business needs to make a profit, too.
You fail to realize that trying to make a profit on the health of a person is inherently evil. If dropping a sick person from an insurance plan and letting them die means more profit, of course the insurance companies are gonna do it. That doesn't make it right, though.
"The real problem is the system. "
Yep, private insurance is really bad. Only acceptable system is nationalized health care like they have IN CANADA!!!!! NO IT IS NOT BAD NOT EVERYONE HAS A MILLION DOLLAR TO PAY FOR OPERATIONS!
So making a profit on helping to heal someone is evil? So what you are saying that someone should go to school for 8 years, just to get the basic MD, go through all the crap that they have to go through in residency, then they have to attend more school to become a specialist, then they have to do more residency, and on and on.. you're saying that I should work for cost? because anything above cost is profit.
Also, if there is no profit, there is no money left over to pay for research. I mean, people really need to re-evaluate what they think is their right. Is it right to have a tax rate of 57% if you make a million dollars? By what right? How much is enough. 57% of $1 million is $570,000. They will only get to keep $430,00 dollars. I mean who will want to be a millionaire then? Sometimes I just don't get people who want to raise taxes for free healthcare
Simple solution .... All hospitals should be state run .... so all doctors should be on a salary just like the Fire department , and Police force... and they can and should be paid very well for there hard work with there education .... this is not a complicated solution .... POWERS above us want to make us believe it is .... I have 3 police officers in my family that are paid well from tax dollars... Doctors should be the highest paid out of them all ... single payer can pay for it all.
Ok, i got the cut of your jib, but lets keep this civil... I don't HATE you for your beliefs, as a matter of fact, I get to learn about your beliefs. This is just an intellectual exchange of ideas. No matter what, it's not in our hands. If instead of yelling at each other, lets try to come up with some middle ground. Know what I mean? Maybe if you create the public health care system & eliminate all regulations on private insurance, then we will know which is better. Let them compete.
"Maybe if you create the public health care system & eliminate all regulations on private insurance, then we will know which is better. Let them compete."
I'm down with this.
Public health care will curb stomp private insurers.
I understand both, and both are the culprits. The government makes things too expensive for little guy with all the hoops that one has to go through with all the regulations, so the only ones that can compete are the big corporations, which, by the way, they are the same group who lobbied for the regulations in the first place. Therefore, they are stifling competition with the blessing of the government. Sounds like a version of fascism to me.
Guys like me that have at least run something in their lives ( very sucessful businesses than scum sucking bottom feeders like you who only thing they have ever run is their big god damn mouths and dribbles out their sticking pasty asses.
why are they so evil. They are only working within the confines of what the government allows them to do. Don't blame the corporations.... blame the government that sets the rules up the way they are so that the 'greedy' corporations can earn a profit. Because after it's all said and done, the government is the one that makes the rules, and the corporations have to follow those rules.
Insurance companies don't have to drop people when they get sick...yet they do. Tell me why it is the government's fault that private insurers let people die for profit.
If it's going to cost them a hundreds of thousands to several millions of dollars to treat you, would you? Multiply that by how many millions of people have that same condition... The numbers don't add up. Personally, I feel if my time is up, my time is up.... besides, who wants to live a long life anyhow... you'll be filling out those 1040's april 15th until the day you die... Who the hell wants that?
The argument about insurance companies dropping expensively sick people is a "straw man" against the argument of private health care.
An insurance company may deny treatments because its expensive to them, since they pay from a collective pool of capital (premiums) just like the government (taxes..) does.
A doctor, if allowed to accept the patient directly as a customer then has less incentive to deny treatment because he now has a direct profit motive.
What? No! What if the person can't afford to pay for themselves, they are basically screwed! I mean yea it's a win/win if you are a doctor or CEO, but if you are the sick person who can't afford medical care well I guess it's time to shop around for a casket because the free market has decided you should die.
You mean a patient cannot have the ability to work out a long-term, affordable payment plan directly with his or her doctor on a one-on-one basis that best suits his or her own situation?
Because of gaining a profit on performing a quality service to the patient (value...) the doctor has no motive to turn something like that down, does he?
How does it work that your hypothetical patient can afford to go out and shop around for a coffin, yet can't afford medical care?
If YOU spend YOUR money on a coffin, YOU have therefore DECIDED FOR YOURSELF to die, rather DECIDE FOR YOURSELF to live by buying YOUR OWN medical care. The market cannot make that CHOICE for you.
What oppressive regime practices "free market" principles? North Korea?
The "pursuit of self interest" (This reminds me of John Stuart Mill) is what makes the economy runs. A business wants to make profit, andthe customer wants the best product at low prices. They must work to satisfy their "self interest", which yields choices and quality.
Oppressive regimes control such desires, for the sake of "unity" or "nationalism". All governments rationalize their tyranny under class equality.
Since we haven't seen a free market in a hundred years or so, a lot of the oppression you're alluding to can be attributed to government corruption and crony capitalism, or to excessive regulation that throws a wrench in the workings of the market.
And just so you don't misunderstand me, I'm not an anarchist. I'm not averse to laws limiting extralegal activities, such as copyright infringement and slave labor. That's not what Laissez-Faire means.
The people who benefit most from the free market are the working poor. You probably know them better as the "Proletariat." Low prices = good for the poor.
Free markets remove all coercion from the system and allow individuals to pursue their separate interests. Producers are free to produce most anything, but if a producer fails to meet its consumers' needs, consumers vote with their dollars and that producer ceases to exist. No one is powerless in a free market except the elite.
So the poor sick little girl is supposed to die because her family is too poor to pay for insurance and you're to miserly to cough up a little bit extra in taxes each year? I also love you Gillespie put clothes and food in his list of things people buy instead of insurance, so if I want insurance all I have to do is go naked and hungry, GOD BLESS AMERICA.
What gives you the right to ask me to give up my money so that other people can afford health insurance? How dare you. It is MY money, and i should do what I want to do with it. What you failed to understand in this video is that these people are wasting money on other stuff that could be used to buy health insurance. I don't know about you, but I don't remember the last time I spent $1000 Plus on clothes in a year.
OH fucking please.... dude people cant even get health care with pre existing conditions.... and you think your so safe with your wonderful health care but if the unfortunate circumstance should happen where you need long term care watch out what you wish for.... you might find yourself getting denial letters from your WONDERFUL insurance company that wants to maximize it's profits...
Dude, I've got a pre-existing condition(a surgically repaired back), and I got my own health insurance. Sure, it's expensive, about $13 and change per day, and I'm a smoker, but it is available to the people that are willing to pay.
I'm of the mindset that we all are living too long. I wouldn't want to burden society with my health problems just to live longer. Make any arrangements, finish the rest of the stuff you wanted to do in life, and die in piece. That's what I want to do.
Dude .....I have a pre existing condition and CANT GET PRIVATE HEALTH CARE....born with a congenital heart defect ...which I cannot get private coverage on ...I am a personal trainer in business for myslef ... so I take outstanding care of myself, eat right, exercise...I"m in great physical shape otherwise... BUT CANT GET coverage for my heart....you feel that's' fair in some way ? Do you feel I should just accept were living to long anyway and say fuck it ...or lose my life savings for surgery?
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felpaluche 1 month ago
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TheSeaMyst 7 months ago
The only good Insurance is your own mother and father or whoever made you but in remembrance that something greater than yourself inn different made us all 'You all///!
TheSeaMyst 7 months ago
Even if you have insurance and pay for it for years and years they can still deny you treatment which can cause you to die. Why we let this happen in America is beyond me. If you can get coverage, just remember until things change, your insurance can stamp your claim as "DENIED". And nothing changes until the people decide that things should change.
NowThePeople 7 months ago
here in Illinois you can get health insurance for $43 a month
kubaniski 1 year ago
@kubaniski Where? I have some friends there who could use the info! Thanks.
mydinkywebcam 1 year ago
@mydinkywebcam i get my from aetna.
kubaniski 1 year ago
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hippostix 2 years ago
Anyone know the name of the song (and artist) playing during the opening and ending segments?
UsualMike 2 years ago
this video is kinda bullshit. There are still millions that actually can't afford health care. This doesn't solve our problem
Livelife417 2 years ago
5 m out of the supposed "46" million cannot afford it, the rest are either illegal immigrants or people who could afford it, but would rather have a plasma screen tv
Christoppher1994 2 years ago
and where did you get that statistic..?
Livelife417 2 years ago
NPR
Christoppher1994 2 years ago
@Christoppher1994 Am actually related to some of the plasma screen bunch. That alone made me really open to their argument.
mydinkywebcam 1 year ago
@mydinkywebcam glad i could be of assistance
Christoppher1994 1 year ago
@Livelife417 They do not mention the other 55 million in that video.
mydinkywebcam 1 year ago
@mydinkywebcam thanks
mydinkywebcam 1 year ago
Health care should be *free*, period. Health should be a right, not a privilege.
machojam2 2 years ago
It is a right. You have the right to buy health care coverage.
hippostix 2 years ago
where in the constitution does it state "you have the RIGHT to health care"?
Christoppher1994 2 years ago
@Christoppher1994
You have the right to life?
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 is life and medical insurance the same thing?
No. I do agree, you have a right to life, however I do not think that medical insurance and life are the same thing.
Christoppher1994 1 year ago
@Christoppher1994
Ok lets be fair. Any of us can get a job. That's not the issue here. Sometimes the job offers health coverage, wheras others do not. We can all work, but that alone does not solve the problem.
The Insurance companies have denied people born with a pre-existing conditions so what happens to them? They either pay higher premiums and do without, and therefore die.
So what do you suggest we do to make this fairer for all? I'm willing to have an open mind.
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 actually this pent up fear of hemophiliacs unable to get health insurance is non existent. the reality is when someone with a pre existing condition (let's say hemophilia) applies for medical insurance, the provider doesn't even look at the fact that this individual has a blood disorder that could kill them with a paper cut.
Why do they do this? Because treating diseases like hemophilia is usually very cheap (simple blood clotting medicines will cure this.) (cont)
Christoppher1994 1 year ago
@Christoppher1994 These drugs of course are created cheap by another evil market:The pharmaceutical companies.
The medical insurance companies are willing to pay for these drugs and procedures for the copays (which aren't that bad anyway). Copays and late fee's are what drive the health insurance market, not premiums.
Christoppher1994 1 year ago
@pluto4847 Anyone can get a job. As of two months ago?
mydinkywebcam 1 year ago
@Christoppher1994
*SHOULD* have the right is what I said, not that we have the right.
But on that token, where in the constitution does it say you have the RIGHT to public education? Here's a hint, there isn't a right giving that to us, yet it is something that we all have and enjoy. It is for the greater good that we all have public education, as would it be for the greater good that we all have healthcare.
machojam2 1 year ago
@machojam2 actually I think our public education system is a load of crap, getting rid of that would have only benefits upon our sosciety (if we had a voucher system)
But I agree, if everyone had health care (and or education), our society would be great. I do want to help people. However, I don't think using the governments power and authority to do so is not that way it should be executed. I do believe we need health care reform, but we shouldn't do it through a government beuarcracy that ...
Christoppher1994 1 year ago
@machojam2 only slow the system down. ( I believe there was a quote from a congresswomen that said " I want out health care to be as effeciant as the DMV")
Christoppher1994 1 year ago
It's a miracle! July 22nd there were 47 million people uninsured, last Wednesday night Pres. Obama declared there were now 30 million unable to get insurence. 17 million found insurence in 6 weeks. At this rate every will be covered by Christmas. Or are the politicians playing games with numbers again?
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mattshats 2 years ago
Insurance wouldnt cost as much if we didn't have all these ridiculous law suits..
ashtonw05 2 years ago 6
There you go! I don't hear anyone in Congress or that idiot President talk about TORT REFORM! that is what needs to be done! Not a complete transformation of an entire country's healthcare for 15% of the population!
popcornfreak828 2 years ago
i just looked up rates for health insurance in my area and not a single one of these plans are below $250 a month.
Nick Gillespie has never struggled or worked an actual day his entire life
Verdafolio 2 years ago
wow, that's pretty cheap. Maybe get a job and you can afford healthcare! I know, it's a crazy concept!
popcornfreak828 2 years ago 3
@popcornfreak828
That's not the full answer. There are several of jobs out there, but the INS premiums are quite often half the wages we earn from our jobs. Not every job offers healthcare. With the economy the way it is, we are lucky to have any job. Having a job doesn't mean we can afford coverage. If you lose your job, you won;t be able to pay off your Insurance anyway! So what's the real solution?
pluto4847 1 year ago
I can insure my family of five for $275 a month buying it on my own. My employer pays 100% of my premium.
How much money do you spend every month on internet access, cell phones, cable TV, dinners out, movies, concerts and all the other things that are not necessary for survival?
And why do you think your health insurance is the responsibility of anyone but yourself?
bradmanz 2 years ago
health insurance necessarily means people besides you are paying for your care. also your employer pays 100% of the premium.
The Average American pays double in both tax dollars and in personal cost for health care versus any other first world nation. All of those other nations have UHC.
Verdafolio 2 years ago
The difference is force vs. choice. No one forced to buy insurance and help pay for the cost of others. That is a choice. My employer is not forced to pay 100% of my premiums. That is their choice and a part of my compensation for the work I do.
Government is force, period. Obama wants to force everyone who can pay to pay for those who can't.
Can you not see the difference between force and choice? Force is immoral. Choice is the American way.
bradmanz 2 years ago
when someone comes into an ER for something that was easily preventable and they can't pay, OUR TAX DOLLARS are used to pay the hospital. The force is already there.
What I'm saying is if every other first world country is doing it, why the hell aren't we and saving billions in tax dollars doing it?
Verdafolio 2 years ago
Because it wont save any money. The CBO has already said it would cost a trillion dollars over 10 years. Name one government program that saved money. Medicare/caid is billions in te red. So is Soc. Sec. Costs are sky high because insurance lobbies for laws that benefit them. IOW, government created this mess by bowing to special interests. Having government take it over will not fix it. It will just make it less efficient. I still don;t care what other countries are doing. It doesn't matter.
bradmanz 2 years ago
Whoa whoa whoa, you can't be seriously saying America is worse than France or Japan?
Besides if the government took power, they could stick it to the insurance companies. Screw the special interests, do it for the general welfare of Americans as a whole and for the fact that every other country saves money.
The bottom line for me was that every other country saves money. It will cost a lot at first then it would go down, and my wallet would be happy.
Verdafolio 2 years ago
You are the one saying America is worse than everyone else. I knew 'general welfare' would come up eventually. The supporters of this grossly misinterpret that clause. It was not designed to be used for charity. It means the federal government can promote the general welfare of the Union within the enumerated powers in the Constitution. UHC is not general welfare. It is individual welfare for a certain group of people.
bradmanz 2 years ago
Verdafolio, And how do they "save money"?
MooseOfReason 2 years ago
We in the US pay so much not because of lack of UHC, but because of government regulations. I don't give a rats ass what other countries do. No other country on Earth in all of history was built on the foundation of individual liberty and personal responsibility. That is unique to America so what they do in France or anywhere else means nothing in the USA.
bradmanz 2 years ago
We made the Marshall Plan, we defeated Japan in WWII, we fought off the British, we won the Cold War.
America is great, there is no arguing that. So why aren't we great enough to do this? Are you saying America is uniquely incompetent compared to other countries? That somehow we cannot do what is done in every other First World Nation has done because we're somehow worse than them?
I don't buy that one bit.
Verdafolio 2 years ago
We aren't doing this because absolutely nothing in the US Constitution authorizes that the federal government do this. That alone should be enough. We aren't doing this because it wont save money, but cost $100,000,000,000 a year on top of the trillions of dollars of debt AND deficit we are facing. We are burying our great grandchildren in debt a generation before they are even born.
bradmanz 2 years ago
There's nothing in the US Constitution that allows for the war on drugs, for the president to continue a war without declaration and a lot of other things.
The two things that made me a believer versus non believer were:
What would Jesus charge for health care?
Why can't we not only save money compared to every other nation but do it better than them?
Verdafolio 2 years ago
You're right and I oppose the illegal war on drugs. We haven't fought a legal war since WWII.
Jesus would have just helped his neighbor instead of using government to force people to do it. It's called free will and one of the main things he taught.
Why do you insist on comparing us to other nations? If the grass is so much greener on the other side, feel free to jump the fence for greener pastures.
bradmanz 2 years ago
"All who believed were together and had all things in common; they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need." Acts 2:44,45
"It is a question of a fair balance between your present abundance and their need." 2 Corinthians 8:13,14
"There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28
This is all I can recall at the moment.
Verdafolio 2 years ago
None of what you quoted says government should provide health care. As I said, Jesus is saying this is what they should do because they are Christians, not because government dictated it. All three of those still point to free will and choice.
And I bet the Jews would disagree with the last one quite a bit. And that's why religion has no place in our government.
bradmanz 2 years ago
No, I'm saying just exactly what I said. America is unique in that we are the only nation in history that is based on individual liberty and personal responsibility. Other nations don't have the same rules government must abide by the we do. FYI, those rules are clearly spelled out in the Constitution.
Are you saying we are incompetent because our nation is based on liberty and responsibility?
It is simply your opinion that every other First World nation is doing better than us.
bradmanz 2 years ago
Holy fucking strawman.
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dantgay 2 years ago
McCain: Bold Solutions
Someone should tell this guy that corpse lost the election.
patrialuvien 2 years ago
It is fair to say that Nick Gillespie advocates a Final Solution.
Magurufukuru 2 years ago
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Joe402 2 years ago 3
Hello I am a Libertarian let me tell you why poor people are stupid and deserve to die,
Joe402 2 years ago 2
waah boo hoo hoo, I hate poor people im a dumb babby waaah. Im stupid waah boo hoo Im Nick Gillepsie, IM a stupid fuck waaah im crying because these people dont pay overpriced health care for themselves. Waaah boo hoo hoo. Im stupid waaaah booo hoo
heoko 2 years ago
waah boo hoo, IM A FUCKING IDIOT WHO POSTS STUPID VIDEOS WAAAAH BOO HOO! waaah im a crybaby when someone shows different opinions then my own selfish ones. waaah boo hoo hoo
heoko 2 years ago 2
That'd be great if health insurance in general weren't fucking worthless compared to EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY...EVEN IF YOU HAVE IT.
And every dime you earn should go to health insurance companies. HELL YEAH.
BOOTSTRAPS!
0nePumpChump 2 years ago
So if Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP cover seniors, kids, and the poor, and those are all government programs, and those programs aren't giving seniors the boot, why wouldn't we want to expand those to other Americans?
If onyl everyone would just give up food, clothes, and rent so they can get health care!
reginaldgoldthwaite 2 years ago
God Bless America and our Profitable Health Insurance Execs. May the Good Lord allow the shareholders to experience His great bounty!!!!!!!!Amen
chobicus 2 years ago
I am an accomplished trial attorney. I AM UNABLE TO GET MY OWN HEALTH INSURANCE. Period. End of Story. I am not disabled. I had to spend a fortune on medical bills. I had to close my lucrative law practice. I want to reopen my law practice in Coeur d Alene, Idaho or Spokane, Washington. I AM WILLING TO MARRY A GREAT LADY TO GET HEALTH INSURANCE. Richard
ricksands52 2 years ago 2
approx $54B a year. assuming that insurance companies do insure them and that it'll only cost $100 / mo. Highly doubt it.
medicboi44 2 years ago
I've always looked at buying any type of insurance as a form of gambling. When you buy health insurance, you're basically betting on black that you'll get sick. And of course, the only way you can win is...well, by getting sick.
hulajoe 2 years ago
Laissez-faire has not been seen in this country since the 1850's. While not an expert, I have read a few books on economics from the austrian school like von mises, rothbard, hayek, and hazlit. I've even read some adam smith.
I agree with you on how the doctors control their numbers as a barrier to entry, BUT, it's set up that way because the government says so. If other medical associations could compete against the AMA, then things could be different.
anthonybjr 2 years ago
BlameRepublicans contradicts himself on every level of logic, and argument. He's no more qualified to talk politics than to wipe his own ass.
toneeeeeee 2 years ago
run along now - the big boys are talking.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
MAGGOT Blamerep) only thing big about you is your foul shit smelling mouth...
mediaphotographer 2 years ago
If a rooster laid an egg on the pitch of a roof at midnight on the equator......which direction would the toilet water swirl after egg an omelet made from that egg after you crapped it out. I'm going somewhere with this. Trust me....!
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
I'm not out to change YOUR mind. There are hallmark characteristics in your responses that let me now your working on a big long drawn out obfuscation whereby you will try to maintain the status quo.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
How so?
Its simple, socratic linear "yes or no" reasoning. I'm not here to change your mind either, and I'm not here to hate on anyone with a different view.
I'm more interested in putting my own philosophy to the test, and this is the most straight forward way to do that, without degrading into an all out argument. We already agree on a few points, don't we?
So what do you have to lose by challenging yours as well? I measured you as an open-minded person, and I'm hoping I'm right.
hulajoe 2 years ago
I have nothing to lose but time! You asked about using violense with each other. Maybe I unfairly tossed you in the the obfuscation seeking right wingers. I call it "inking up the water". Anyway - go ask away
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Fair enough, and I do appreciate your time, as well as your intellect. Thank you.
Again, does an individual citizen have the right to initiate violence against other individual citizens who have not initiated violence on others first?
I'll disregard the other for the sake of time and space. Agreed?
hulajoe 2 years ago
"initiate violence"? You mean like defense of oneself or another?
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
holy crap JOE you are killing me here man - let's get the show on the road! Shift ends in 20 mins and I'm out camping....
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
In other words, yes. An individual citizen's only legitimate motive of initiating violence is in self-defense
Individual citizens do not have the right to deprive another individual of property or life by initial, unprovoked force (violence), do they not?
hulajoe 2 years ago
Well Congress is filled with individual citizens who can take you ass off the street and send you to war through no fault of your own, but I think you mean non official business two neighbors? No duties of office involved?
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
So, in a free society, a legitimate government CAN actually initiate unprovoked violence against those who have not initially used violence?
hulajoe 2 years ago
wouldn't the violence technically be that of the enemy?
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
So if Congress is to be "legitimate", it can only be delegated the same rights that individuals have, and since we agreed that this where it gets its legitimate governmental power, it would stand to reason that Congress has to "fire AFTER being fired upon", correct?
hulajoe 2 years ago
Interesting question. What do we consider being fired upon? Bush took the possibility of Iraq having weapons as justification to go in. You could say that of Australia however. The difference between mob rule and Democracy are cooler heads making decisions to benefit the majority. This is why laws always have definitions at the start.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
So we can agree that because you nor I have the right to initiate force without force being initiated against us, government cannot be delegated the same right, correct?
If so, then the United States had every right to declare war on terrorists, but not on Iraq. On this I agree.
So, if "cooler" heads are in power, can they then be delegated rights that you or I don't have, if we already agreed that legitimate government cannot be given rights that individuals do not have?
hulajoe 2 years ago
Had the Union Carbide fiasco happened in a "more government" government justice would have been served.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Ladies and Gentlemen this evening's 1 round Knock Out fight has been brought to you by BlameRepublicans making douche water right wingers look stupid for 20 years. ding, din, ding, Hello? Joe? Dam he's out!
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Who said I'm "Right Wing"? I haven't made any positional stance of the sort.
hulajoe 2 years ago
I did. Next question.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
We have examples of "less governemnt" all around us. Nigeria, Afghanistan, Somalia,, Hati, etc...why ruin America like that? So you can save a penny in taxes? Why not move to Liberia and enjoy "less government there"? I hear Rwanda is nice too. GOTCHA.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
damn I'm good. BOOM!
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
MAGGOT (blamerepublican) still lying, you poor fucked up idiot. still living in your parents basement ?
mediaphotographer 2 years ago
I could ask you to demonstrate how your government has done you more harm than good. good luck
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
"Argument" implies we have two valid yet opposing points and we have only one. Mine. Should we improve GOV? Hell yes. "Less government" means "less rights. Remember "no taxation without representation"? Do you think the Corporate fucks who kill children for pennies would think twice about turning your bones in to dust? Wake up kid.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Maggot quit giving blowjobs on you break from KFC and read
Less goverment less rights? again you cant back up shit as usual. theory doe not always work. Corporate fucks? 90%
U.S. employment small business. but again you jammok have no facts
mediaphotographer 2 years ago
PBS online has an interview with Former Cigna executive Wendell Potter. Cigna raked in 17 BILLION dollars in 07 alone by denying care that Americans paid for. This guy can't be dismissed as "liberal media" like fucking morons here say whenever they hear something they don't like. Google that and check it out.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
maggot cigna, loves republicans ... Is that why you pick on them. PBS ? theres a real source for you. watching that after spongebob squarepants? MAGGOT BREAK IS OVER , BACK TO THE FRYER..
mediaphotographer 2 years ago
You can run a profitable medical based business. OR you can provide good health care. You can't do both. Any of you who scream "pro-life" who are aginst fixing the health care system is an idiot.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
What if we took insurance out of the picture, and let medical services compete in a free-market environment by dealing directly with thethe patient (consumer..)? Non-covered treatments already do this - lasik, plastic surgery, etc. Their prices have plummeted tremendously. You also eliminate denial of treatment based on cost - by both insurance co.s and government - because "you want it, you buy it" - at a much lower cost.
Nobody complains about high vet costs. Why? No pet insurance companies!
hulajoe 2 years ago
That's the way it used to be. I grew up in the 70s. My Dad worked, mom stayed at home with 3 kids. They had no health insurance yet my middle class laboring old man could pay for the medical bills for 2 adults and three kids out of his pocket. What's changed since then? CORPORATIONS.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Agreed.
But then why ask the government to simply replace the corporations? Will they make it any better?
That's like being mugged by two crooks, and despite the fact that you're being robbed - of freedom and property, you're still more concerned about which crook is holding the gun!
Maybe we should reserve insurance for "catastrophic" needs - accidents, major illnesses or injuries. Prices for those policies would drop, and the prices for basic services will drop too.
hulajoe 2 years ago
You let Rush Limbaugh do your thinking for you. You and all Americans have benefitted from your government in ways you dont think about and you mistake your ignorance for proof the government is bad. Ever been in a car wreck? If so it seems you survived. Do you GM or Toyota a thank you for surviving? No. You owe it to the DOT.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
You buy into the bullshit. Your government is YOURS. So if ADM or Microsoft wrongs you in a major way, and you don't like government - what do you do? Call Bill Gates out for a brawl? Right wing idiots live in a fantasy world. I don't have any say in my government beyond my 1 vote. It's 1 vote more than I have with anyone else. Corporations hate your rights becuase it cuts down on profits. You are a fool if you think you could ditch government and not end up like the people in Bhopal
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
why is it that right wing fantasy idiots OWN most of America?
thru hard work. less govt interference and free market enterprise. and hiring snot eaters like you. socialist loser bastard. puke on you
mediaphotographer 2 years ago
Maggot? Was today Terrific Movie Tuesday at Shady Valley Retirement Home for Fake Veterans? Do you think you are Gunny Hartman? About your list - I know you are a pioneer in the new hot sector of endless self aggrandizing ranting on the Internet. Are you on your own list, fake old boy hungry pedophile?
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
No. I do not even listen to Rush Limbaugh.
In regards to your argument about government, I'd have to first ask you:
Is all legitimate governmental power derived from the people?
Secondly, in regards to Toyota or GM - How does it benefit a corporation to knowingly release a dangerous product ( in a vacuum devoid of government regulation, of course)?
hulajoe 2 years ago
You have to be more spesific for you #1 question. #2 Question = it benefitted Union Carbide by neglecting vital maintainance to increase profits. next.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
#1 - its as clear as it gets. Its a simple yes or no question.
Does all legitimate governmental power derive from the people? In other words, in a legitimately free society, government can only be delegated the same rights that individual citizens have, correct?
#2 - Ok. Now, did Union Carbide get sued, or incur any sort of penalty from families, or governmental judicial systems for their erroneous actions ( a negative consequence)?
hulajoe 2 years ago
Yes all government power comes EQUALLY from all people.
#2 No one stood trial for those deaths.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
#1 - Ok. So do individual citizens equally have the right to initiate violent force against other individual citizens who equally have not first initiated violent force against others?
#2. Criminal trials notwithstanding, did Union Carbide get sued, or otherwise financially penalized?
hulajoe 2 years ago
Cut to the chase. You are trying to sugar coat the turd you want to lay. Spit it out. How would our lives be improved by turning the US into India?
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
No, its simple rational reasoning process.
You have the opportunity here to rationally change my view as well.
hulajoe 2 years ago
***I forgot to clarify something here in my argument.
The term "corporation(s)" is fairly ambiguous, since the majority of all "corporations" are small, nothing more than a mere a manila folder tucked away in someone's personal filing cabinet at home. The term itself is not specific in the context of our debate.
Therefore, for the sake of context, I'd rather we refer to a specific type of corporation, or more accurately, the "health insurance corporations".
hulajoe 2 years ago
Call them what you will. They are a group of individuals working for PROFIT ONLY. Ask Union Carbide how much they helped the people in India. "Less Government" at work. Mexico - "less government". Hati = "less government" Notice a pattern?
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
UC cases were transfered to india in may86. 87 us court of appeals affirms transfer of litigation case to india. final outcome UC built 100 million dollar hospital. settled on 450 milliom comp package and sold their operations in Bhoph to india..... India court systerm dropped the ball on that. no hangings were beating we allowed. blame the dotheads on that one for non punishement over 3000 deaths
mediaphotographer 2 years ago
Well, that's still a negative outcome for UC, is it not?
hulajoe 2 years ago
MAGGOT (blamerepublican) your 57 years old, you grew up in 70's? naw man your still growing up. No insurance? Your drunk old man was a loser like you. you mother made up on the extra income?
mediaphotographer 2 years ago
grew up in the 70's you lying maggot. your lying profile said you were 57? your mom worked on her back in the family van., she was the real bread winner or your old man was a drunk. still doing your sister you loser faggot?
mediaphotographer 2 years ago
Too bad they don't let fake veterans like you use the VA. You could get the help you need, fake old bitter liar veteran. Hell we could car pool. I'm going to the Phoenix Veteran's Hospital next month to have shrapnel pulled out of my neck and shoulder. Do you have any fake shrapnel in your flabby, punched out ass, fake veteran?
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Phoenix Hosp. is a real nice spread good luck there. Bay Pines in the one near me. still needs reforming in a big way.Rep Bill Young is securing funds for them year after year even though he's a republican but he's still a family friend . I got the same shit in both legs from a bouncing betty... again fuck you!!! keep the humor coming in I need that to past the time away here.
mediaphotographer 2 years ago
I didn't know they had a fryer explosion at kfc?. fragged by your REMF's
mediaphotographer 2 years ago
Shows how much you know. It was a soft serve machine at "DQ". REMFs don't catch flack jackass. Please stop pretending to be something you are not - human.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
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mediaphotographer 2 years ago
MAGGOT (blamerepublican) fucking wrong again as usual. Private hospitals provide both. Govt run hospitals suck look at Walter Reed. know that for a fact ,jack .. buy how is your kiddie porn web site doing. Isnt that your children in the one scene?
mediaphotographer 2 years ago
Cheap health care doesn't always mean good health care. Nice vid.
loszhor 2 years ago
I have an injured jaw and need surgery that will cost at least $6000. No hospital will perform it and just send me a bill. I must have all the money up front. So I have to endure this pain for the next several months or years while I try to work and save up $6000. Even buying insurance wouldn't help because it's a "pre-existing condition." And I'm not allowed to have pain medication because, ooh, that would be bad. You might get high off it or something. Better to for me to suffer in misery.
UniversalAgent 2 years ago
Instead of relying on the hospital, find a private that will finance the problem. Private doctors are businessman. I'm sure you can make a deal to make a payment plan. So it really is not an excuse.
anthonybjr 2 years ago
And Medicaid only covers those deemed "disabled."
UniversalAgent 2 years ago
Sorry, but you're totally wrong. What insurance can you get for $100 a month? It would've been better if you talked about how the existence of insurance has raised the cost of health care and priced the uninsured out of the market. That has happened through government intervention, deliberately tying health care to employment through tax incentives and labor laws. Insurance should be for catastrophes, not routine care. And you should be able to afford routine care, in a real free market.
UniversalAgent 2 years ago
"GET SOME"
But I don't have the money.
Wow libertarians really do hate the poor.
"heh....you can't afford health insurance...tough shit free market rulez"-libertarians
Joe402 2 years ago
Oh well at least you guys oppose the drug war.
Joe402 2 years ago
We don't hate the poor. We hate the people who are blaming their problems on society. If you are poor, it's sad. Get some help from your family and friends, work hard, and get yourself out of that situation. If you stay poor, that's pathetic. It's your own fault, not society's.
anthonybjr 2 years ago
Did you know that if someone has cancer it is literally impossible to get health insurance?
Admit it the free market fucking blows when it comes to insurance.
Joe402 2 years ago
Well, the first thing you need to know is that in this country, we don't have free markets. We have what is known as a mixed economy, i.e. soft fascism. The government regulates so many things.
The health care industry is one of the most regulated industry out there. The more regulation, the more expensive things get, because they have to jump through all these hoops just for the privilege of offering insurance. Look up the hmo act from the 70's. That's when things started going downhill.
anthonybjr 2 years ago
So if we unregulated the insurance market, then the insurance companies can lower costs.
Or they could just keep dropping more people for profit and raise prices without fear of repercussions.
Joe402 2 years ago
I say, get rid of the insurance companies. Look at the HMO act from the '70's. Things were MUCH Cheaper when you paid cash. The real problem is the system.
I don't get this hate of profit. When you go to work, don't you try to make a profit from selling your labor to someone? Because when you break it down to it's simplest form, that's what you do when you go to work. You try to maximize your profit then, don't you? A business needs to make a profit, too.
anthonybjr 2 years ago
You fail to realize that trying to make a profit on the health of a person is inherently evil. If dropping a sick person from an insurance plan and letting them die means more profit, of course the insurance companies are gonna do it. That doesn't make it right, though.
"The real problem is the system. "
Yep, private insurance is really bad. Only acceptable system is nationalized health care like they have IN CANADA!!!!! NO IT IS NOT BAD NOT EVERYONE HAS A MILLION DOLLAR TO PAY FOR OPERATIONS!
Joe402 2 years ago
why all the yelling?
So making a profit on helping to heal someone is evil? So what you are saying that someone should go to school for 8 years, just to get the basic MD, go through all the crap that they have to go through in residency, then they have to attend more school to become a specialist, then they have to do more residency, and on and on.. you're saying that I should work for cost? because anything above cost is profit.
anthonybjr 2 years ago
Also, if there is no profit, there is no money left over to pay for research. I mean, people really need to re-evaluate what they think is their right. Is it right to have a tax rate of 57% if you make a million dollars? By what right? How much is enough. 57% of $1 million is $570,000. They will only get to keep $430,00 dollars. I mean who will want to be a millionaire then? Sometimes I just don't get people who want to raise taxes for free healthcare
anthonybjr 2 years ago
Simple solution .... All hospitals should be state run .... so all doctors should be on a salary just like the Fire department , and Police force... and they can and should be paid very well for there hard work with there education .... this is not a complicated solution .... POWERS above us want to make us believe it is .... I have 3 police officers in my family that are paid well from tax dollars... Doctors should be the highest paid out of them all ... single payer can pay for it all.
funkyflights 2 years ago
"So making a profit on helping to heal someone is evil?"
Did you even read what I wrote?
Making profit on helping healing people is nice in theory but killing people for profit is waaaay easier. Which is why insurance companies do.
"why all the yelling?"
I mad.
Joe402 2 years ago
Ok, i got the cut of your jib, but lets keep this civil... I don't HATE you for your beliefs, as a matter of fact, I get to learn about your beliefs. This is just an intellectual exchange of ideas. No matter what, it's not in our hands. If instead of yelling at each other, lets try to come up with some middle ground. Know what I mean? Maybe if you create the public health care system & eliminate all regulations on private insurance, then we will know which is better. Let them compete.
anthonybjr 2 years ago
"Maybe if you create the public health care system & eliminate all regulations on private insurance, then we will know which is better. Let them compete."
I'm down with this.
Public health care will curb stomp private insurers.
Joe402 2 years ago
Idiots who promote big business as a fix all compared to government unsderstand neither.
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
I understand both, and both are the culprits. The government makes things too expensive for little guy with all the hoops that one has to go through with all the regulations, so the only ones that can compete are the big corporations, which, by the way, they are the same group who lobbied for the regulations in the first place. Therefore, they are stifling competition with the blessing of the government. Sounds like a version of fascism to me.
anthonybjr 2 years ago
Guys like me that have at least run something in their lives ( very sucessful businesses than scum sucking bottom feeders like you who only thing they have ever run is their big god damn mouths and dribbles out their sticking pasty asses.
mediaphotographer 2 years ago
When did endless self aggrandizing ranting on the Internet become a business?
BlameRepublicans 2 years ago
Geezer, when you started it
CircusMaximus09 2 years ago
no it wont.
anthonybjr 2 years ago
Old people seem happy with medicare and those guys are conservative as hell. I think it will.
Joe402 2 years ago
my mom isn't, my grand parents weren't.
anthonybjr 2 years ago
Cool got any other anecdotes provided to you by the evil private insurers?
Joe402 2 years ago
why are they so evil. They are only working within the confines of what the government allows them to do. Don't blame the corporations.... blame the government that sets the rules up the way they are so that the 'greedy' corporations can earn a profit. Because after it's all said and done, the government is the one that makes the rules, and the corporations have to follow those rules.
anthonybjr 2 years ago
Insurance companies don't have to drop people when they get sick...yet they do. Tell me why it is the government's fault that private insurers let people die for profit.
Joe402 2 years ago
If it's going to cost them a hundreds of thousands to several millions of dollars to treat you, would you? Multiply that by how many millions of people have that same condition... The numbers don't add up. Personally, I feel if my time is up, my time is up.... besides, who wants to live a long life anyhow... you'll be filling out those 1040's april 15th until the day you die... Who the hell wants that?
anthonybjr 2 years ago
The argument about insurance companies dropping expensively sick people is a "straw man" against the argument of private health care.
An insurance company may deny treatments because its expensive to them, since they pay from a collective pool of capital (premiums) just like the government (taxes..) does.
A doctor, if allowed to accept the patient directly as a customer then has less incentive to deny treatment because he now has a direct profit motive.
Isn't this a win/win situation?
hulajoe 2 years ago
What? No! What if the person can't afford to pay for themselves, they are basically screwed! I mean yea it's a win/win if you are a doctor or CEO, but if you are the sick person who can't afford medical care well I guess it's time to shop around for a casket because the free market has decided you should die.
Joe402 2 years ago
You mean a patient cannot have the ability to work out a long-term, affordable payment plan directly with his or her doctor on a one-on-one basis that best suits his or her own situation?
Because of gaining a profit on performing a quality service to the patient (value...) the doctor has no motive to turn something like that down, does he?
How is that not a win/win situation?
hulajoe 2 years ago
And...
How does it work that your hypothetical patient can afford to go out and shop around for a coffin, yet can't afford medical care?
If YOU spend YOUR money on a coffin, YOU have therefore DECIDED FOR YOURSELF to die, rather DECIDE FOR YOURSELF to live by buying YOUR OWN medical care. The market cannot make that CHOICE for you.
hulajoe 2 years ago
hahaha are you serious
Joe402 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Serious about what?
hulajoe 2 years ago
What oppressive regime practices "free market" principles? North Korea?
The "pursuit of self interest" (This reminds me of John Stuart Mill) is what makes the economy runs. A business wants to make profit, andthe customer wants the best product at low prices. They must work to satisfy their "self interest", which yields choices and quality.
Oppressive regimes control such desires, for the sake of "unity" or "nationalism". All governments rationalize their tyranny under class equality.
j95lee 2 years ago
All right, shame on me for judging you.
Since we haven't seen a free market in a hundred years or so, a lot of the oppression you're alluding to can be attributed to government corruption and crony capitalism, or to excessive regulation that throws a wrench in the workings of the market.
And just so you don't misunderstand me, I'm not an anarchist. I'm not averse to laws limiting extralegal activities, such as copyright infringement and slave labor. That's not what Laissez-Faire means.
CountArtha 2 years ago
The people who benefit most from the free market are the working poor. You probably know them better as the "Proletariat." Low prices = good for the poor.
Free markets remove all coercion from the system and allow individuals to pursue their separate interests. Producers are free to produce most anything, but if a producer fails to meet its consumers' needs, consumers vote with their dollars and that producer ceases to exist. No one is powerless in a free market except the elite.
CountArtha 2 years ago
So the poor sick little girl is supposed to die because her family is too poor to pay for insurance and you're to miserly to cough up a little bit extra in taxes each year? I also love you Gillespie put clothes and food in his list of things people buy instead of insurance, so if I want insurance all I have to do is go naked and hungry, GOD BLESS AMERICA.
evolutionfish 2 years ago
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UniversalAgent 2 years ago
What gives you the right to ask me to give up my money so that other people can afford health insurance? How dare you. It is MY money, and i should do what I want to do with it. What you failed to understand in this video is that these people are wasting money on other stuff that could be used to buy health insurance. I don't know about you, but I don't remember the last time I spent $1000 Plus on clothes in a year.
anthonybjr 2 years ago
amen
TheLegalImmigrant05 2 years ago
OH fucking please.... dude people cant even get health care with pre existing conditions.... and you think your so safe with your wonderful health care but if the unfortunate circumstance should happen where you need long term care watch out what you wish for.... you might find yourself getting denial letters from your WONDERFUL insurance company that wants to maximize it's profits...
funkyflights 2 years ago
Dude, I've got a pre-existing condition(a surgically repaired back), and I got my own health insurance. Sure, it's expensive, about $13 and change per day, and I'm a smoker, but it is available to the people that are willing to pay.
I'm of the mindset that we all are living too long. I wouldn't want to burden society with my health problems just to live longer. Make any arrangements, finish the rest of the stuff you wanted to do in life, and die in piece. That's what I want to do.
anthonybjr 2 years ago
Dude .....I have a pre existing condition and CANT GET PRIVATE HEALTH CARE....born with a congenital heart defect ...which I cannot get private coverage on ...I am a personal trainer in business for myslef ... so I take outstanding care of myself, eat right, exercise...I"m in great physical shape otherwise... BUT CANT GET coverage for my heart....you feel that's' fair in some way ? Do you feel I should just accept were living to long anyway and say fuck it ...or lose my life savings for surgery?
funkyflights 2 years ago