@acidsprinkle5950 According to Wise, people with white skin do not legitimately earn their wealth. Instead, they earn it through manipulation and domination of others. This is the exact same concept the Nazis held towards the Jews. If you take Nazi rhetoric on Jewish financial success and replace "Jew" with "white person," you have the very words of Tim Wise.
@kkilo34 he never said anything about white people manipulating to earn their wealth, but have privilege on based on a racist institution does gives whites certain benefits people of color do not enjoy. Really, he's like a Nazi? for wanting equality? nice way to try and discredit him. He never said whites do that now but the past actions caused the problems of today. You don't listen to a word the man says.
@acidsprinkle5950 This privilege he claims whites have is entirely based on manipulation and domination. You can express that same idea in different words, but that doesn't change its meaning. According to Wise, whites' higher rates of wealth is not a result of hard work, determination, and smart decisions. It's a result of evil.This is PRECISELY what the Nazis believed about the Jews. And blaming whites for crimes committed long ago by people who happened to have that skin color is ALSO racist.
@kkilo34 How is pointing out the past racist? It's the truth!! He never said whites never earn anything, they have the advantage of their ancestors having access to build wealth than minorities historically couldn't in America. Why are you trying to paint the Nazis as good people? They killed millions of people for no reason other than to scapegoat the Jews for the U.N. making their country bankrupt. Any way you put it, you sound more racist than he does.
@acidsprinkle5950 That's like asking how pointing out the high rates of crime among black populations is racist. It too is the truth, is it not? Of course, based on that fact, one can conclude that blacks are very violent, which is an erroneous conclusion. So, you're focusing on the facts Wise produces and ignoring the racist conclusions he promotes. And yes, you consider me racist, because I defend white people. And doesn't that prove my point?
@kkilo34 That's like asking how pointing out the high rates of crime among black populations is racist. It too is the truth, is it not? - yeah because a lot of black people are profiled as criminals wrongly, not saying there aren't black criminals but who fills the jails more? Minorities or whites?
And yes, you consider me racist, because I defend white people. And doesn't that prove my point?- no you claimed he's a like a Nazi for his beliefs. That is completely insensitive given the
@acidsprinkle5950 part 2 past of Nazism and Germany, don't you think? he actually had a grandfather leave Europe because of that. Nobody's blaming you or all white people personally for the actions of the past, just acknowledging an unfair system. What racist conclusions has he made?
@acidsprinkle5950 Yes, and you think having seen the destruction bigotry causes that he wouldn't be so eager to promote it. Yet, he does. And you can call racial scapegoating "acknowledging an unfair system" all you want, but that doesn't change what it is. I've told you the racist conclusions he's made. Whites higher rates of wealth is a result of hard work, determination, and smart choices. It has NOTHING to do with racial privilege.
@kkilo34 How's he a bigot if he never stated how superior he is? How is this racial scapegoating? It is what it is and whether you fail to acknowledge it or not is up to you. You obviously are obliviously to race and the social construct of it. So all whites earned their wealth and minorities just couldn't measure up? How bigoted of you. Nobody but whites could own land for years and the housing act of 1968 definitely made blacks unable to live in white neighborhoods and lowered
@acidsprinkle5950 I never said everyone got free handouts. I am arguing that whites deserve what they own. It's not a result of depriving minorities of anything. It's wonderful you can point to some law in 1968, and I'm sure it did have an effect then. But this is 2011. Blacks not only own land and houses. They become president of the country.
@kkilo34 So a black president makes racism irrelevant? You know if he mentioned anything about race he wouldn't get the white vote. Not only that, he was accused of not being an American citizen, no other president has been questioned of their nationality. That law does stay in affect today. But do white people have to think about race at all with their everyday lives in certain situations? Exactly. If what you say is true, minorities don't have to deal with racism anymore.
@acidsprinkle5950 "So a black president makes racism irrelevant?" What would raise questions about the claims of black oppression? How many black presidents does there have to be to indicate that black people have the opportunity to do anything they want with their lives? 50? 100? Fact is, you readily dismiss Obama's success because he doesn't fit your anti-white narrative. And yes, he faced some criticism. Do you want to argue Bush never faced any criticism?
@kkilo34 I never dismissed his success. just pointing out how long it took for the U.S. to get a black president. If things were equal, why did it take so long for a non-white president to be elected?
@acidsprinkle5950 Because, DUH!, for years blacks were discriminated against and becoming president wasn't possible. But that's been over for a few generations now.
@acidsprinkle5950 "no other president has been questioned of their nationality." Bush was questioned on his role in the murder of 2000 people. Can you point to another president that was ever questioned about such things? Mind you, I think Bush was an idiot. But you're desperately trying to argue Obama had it harder so you can go on maintaining your "white people are out to destroy blacks" narrative. That's just bigotry. We're not trying to hurt anyone. Whites haven't in decades.
@acidsprinkle5950 "How's he a bigot if he never stated how superior he is?" He's a bigot for stating how inferior whites are by claiming their wealth isn't legitimately earned. It would be like me suggesting that blacks' wealth is a result of crime. Minorities CAN measure up. But they are told to deny their failures are related to their behavior. Instead, they racially scapegoat whites for their failures and go on engaging in the same self-defeating behaviors year after year.
@kkilo34 once again he never stated whites are inferior. They did have an edge and had an easier chance to earn and build up wealth. All black people do that? I've seen people of other races do the same thing or live off their parents' money and never earned a dime in their life. But black people are pointed out for their failures more often. That's a fair measurement? You never stop to question why they would do that instead of looking at an unfair system of education. There are people
@acidsprinkle5950 when given the chance excel but have the unfair opportunities. If growing up in a negative environment, and few good ways out you can't see how that would give them a stinted view on life? To you it's the bootstrap theory? They're too lazy and don't work hard enough so it's their fault.
@acidsprinkle5950 You do know that blacks in wealthy neighborhoods who go to wealthy schools STILL do worse than their peers in the same schools right? Ogbu, a black researcher, did research on why this is and found that blacks study less, have a lot of peer pressure to fail, and their parents aren't involved in their success as much as whites. So, yes, blacks do cause their own failures through their self-defeating choices. They could make different choices. They just don't, not whites fault.
@kkilo34 Really they put that on themselves, nothing to do with social construct? because there are whites that have the same problems and succeed. you're not even questioning why is that? you just say oh they don't care about success. what about socialization and negative media role models? You don't look at other factors, it's just they don't care. nice argument.
@acidsprinkle5950 "what about socialization" Yes, what about socialization. Like for instance, what about the almost complete belief in the black community that every dissatisfaction in their lives has nothing to do with the consequences of their choices and everything to do with some injustice they face by people with white skin? You really want to argue that that attitude would not undermine a person's ability to make good choices? You don't look at other factors. You just blame whites.
@kkilo34 No they don't. I've never met many black people who go around claiming every failure is because the "white man did it". Once again you have no way of proving my race. you are only reading my messages. that in and of itself is biased.
@acidsprinkle5950 " Once again you have no way of proving my race." Oh, but you have all kinds of ways of determining just where my race gets its wealth? And you're able to sit there and tell me all about how my life is one of wealth and privilege because my skin is white? But when I question whether your life is one of disadvantage, you want to claim I'm biased? How arrogant can you get to run around telling people of other races what their lives are like and think you're immune to the same?
@kkilo34 Oh, but you have all kinds of ways of determining just where my race gets its wealth?- i never said all whites are rich. Again it's prejudiced to assume I'm black because I disagree with you. I used African Americans issues to point it out.But when I question whether your life is one of disadvantage, you want to claim I'm biased? How arrogant can you get to run around telling people of other races what their lives are like and think you're immune to the same?- I asked if it..
@acidsprinkle5950 would matter if my race would determine what I''m saying is true. It's not at all racist to assume black=poor? I find it ironic you say I'm arrogant of telling people of other races who and what they are, but apparently you stand for all whites and can say whatever racist comments justified over Tim Wise? You are accountable for you, not your whole race and as far as I'm concerned, a racist doesn't excuse your actions or bigoted statements.
@acidsprinkle5950 " but apparently you stand for all whites' I never said any such thing. You're reaching for straws here. I do know if there was white privilege, being a white person, I would have experienced it. I have not. And you can claim it's racist to disagree with Wise all you want. But that proves my point. There is no racial privilege. There's just a racist ideology, and those that hold this hatred of whites don't want to face up to it. You're bigots. Nothing more.
@kkilo34 You claimed you were "defending the white race". So yes that type of claim means you represent all white people. How is he again racist against whites, he is seen as white so he would experience the privilege too. And he grew up in New Orleans very poor and saw people blaim blacks for crime then set laws against them. So how is he and people that agree with him a bigot, especially if he grew up poor as well?
@acidsprinkle5950 "defending the white race" I never said that. I said I was defending white people against racial prejudice. Why would I need to defend the white race. They're doing just fine. I realize you believe it's because they're evil and not that they're just very capable people. I realize you think they should be condemned for doing so well and not praised for showing what the human race is capable of. But I will continue to defend that they earned their success legitimately.
@kkilo34 you, like many whites in this country do no understand your privilege because you accept it as inherent and natural. you are unable to view your privileged status and lifestyle for what it really is. wise does not promote hatred of white people. what he teaches is how the system under which we live is unjust and unbalanced between the races.
@MSENTERTAINMENT1234 Oh, I have privilege? Okay, prove it. In SPECIFIC detail, please describe PRECISELY how I had a privilege as a direct result of my white skin. I eagerly await your response.
@acidsprinkle5950 "i never said all whites are rich." You claimed we all are privileged. So you DID make declarations about what it's like to be white. And if you're white then please describe in PRECISE detail how you are racially privileged. See, I have never, ever experienced any such thing. So, as a white person claiming we're so privileged, surely you can tell me, a fellow white man, how you obtained something I've never had. Please, where do I go to get this privilege?
@acidsprinkle5950 "They're too lazy and don't work hard enough so it's their fault." Some whites are poor too. Let me ask you: which race causes poor whites to be poor? And if no race does cause poor whites to be poor, then why must black people's poverty be caused by another race? Why isn't it possible that other factors may explain it? Why is any question about whites' role in black poverty the equivalent of saying blacks are lazy losers? Why the double standards for poor blacks and whites?
@kkilo34 Because people automatically assume minority and disadvanteged=blacks. There is more than just race going on, there is a class system too."Why is any question about whites' role in black poverty the equivalent of saying blacks are lazy losers? Why the double standards for poor blacks and whites?"-Because you stated they cause their own problems and given a chance, blacks don't just measure up. here is no double standard, poor whites are viewed badly too. redneck and trailer...
@acidsprinkle5950 Oh, yes, you are so right. White people face the exact same problems that black people do. There's no oppression of black people. There are some negative views of the poor, but that affects whites and blacks equally. I'm glad you agree with me that we do have an equal society and blacks are facing any disadvantage that's any greater than any other racial group.
@kkilo34 Same problems pus extra stress, i would know because I'm not white. So you apparently can tell me I can go into a sundown town? Those are towns where non-whites go to have to be indoors by sunset or risk physical assault/harassment by racists. FYI those still do exists. I'll name several privileges you have
@acidsprinkle5950 1. Black people have just as much chance of getting into college today as any did. I'm the first one in my family to get an MA and the second to get a BA. So your belief is a "college legacy" is based ENTIRELY on a racial prejudice of whites. Most whites do not have college degrees and ALMOST ALL older whites have NO college degrees. They used to be very rare, only found in the wealthiest of whites.
@kkilo34 !. No it isn't College legacy exists. There are people who are admitted based on the fact that somebody from their family got into that school. Most whites don't have college degrees? where are you getting your information from?
@acidsprinkle5950 "on the fact that somebody from their family got into that school." This is a MINUSCULE population of people. You're really wanting to claim that whites have privilege because 1 or 2% of them get into college as a part of some legacy? Give me a fucking break! And yes, Census Bureau data clearly shows that in 1950, LESS THAN 10% of whites got degrees. Today, it's about 30%. But blacks get more education today as well. Most choose not to pursue higher education.
@kkilo34 You claim legacy doesn't exist, now barely anybody gets in? Which is it? Legacy is greater for parents/grandparents who stayed connected. Yes that were whites but how many African Americans got degrees back then? Their schooling had bad teachers, little funding, and crappy schoolhouses. at least white students had a chance. There also are more educated Black people but why are their unemployment rates higher than any other race? Blacks are more likely to be placed in..
@acidsprinkle5950 I won't look at your links anymore than you'd look at mine. Again, you blame whites because you consider them to be evil. So, if there are problems, the notion whites wouldn't cause them just can't penetrate your racist mind.
@acidsprinkle5950 Um, MOST people get into college without a legacy. Me, for example. Now you're just being stupid. Sorry, but you are. And again, blacks in affluent schools TODAY do worse than their peers in the same schools. Why do you assume that whites MUST be the cause of blacks' unemployment? Is it because you believe they are an evil, inferior race and that if there are problems they must be the cause, because that's what whites do...cause problems? Isn't that why you blame them?
@acidsprinkle5950 But at the Wisconsin School of Law, black applicants have a 700% higher chance of getting in than whites with the same test scores. Likewise black applicants to med school with average or slightly below average test scores have a 500% greater chance of being admitted than whites with the same scores. Want to see the sources of my data? I'd be happy to send them to you. Yeah, some white privilege there. You need to educate yourself.
@acidsprinkle5950 "2.people don't relate to you by stereotypes" You just did. In fact, I get stereotyped for being white all the time. It's assumed since I'm white I have "college legacy," never face any "stereotypes," can live in all areas (Yeah, I'd fit right in in Anacosta, wouldn't I?), and that somehow I think I'm "representative of the whole race." These are a few racial stereotypes I face everyday...from black bigots like you.
@acidsprinkle5950 Here's a few more stereotypes I face....When I suggest blacks may cause their own problems, I'm assumed to be hating them for being black. When I don't give a black man a job, I'm assumed to have not done so because he's black. When I make more money than a minority person, I'm assumed to be racially privileged. When I have a college degree,it's assumed I got it because I'm white and not because I work hard. When I...the list goes on and on. Keep dreaming, bigot.
@kkilo34 2. wow. let's compare being seen as racist against unlawful arrests, racial profiling, people actively discriminating against you in public areas such as work, school, restaurants. That is equal discrimination experiences? lol that's really sad. Racism does affect whites too and one of the problems is seen as racist. Nice insult, you can't make a valid point?
@acidsprinkle5950 "people actively discriminating against you in public areas" This doesn't happen to black people. Not ever. The slightest hint of discrimination causes an absolute moral outrage. Denny's was sued for hundreds of millions for discrimination. Micheal Richards and Don Imus faced serious consequences to their careers for racist remarks. How many examples do you need? And you want to claim blacks are discriminated against when clearly there are serious penalties for doing so?
@kkilo34 Yes it does. What about Jena Six several years ago? Black students were penalized and arrested for beating up white students wgo actively displayed racially offensive material. What about the treatment of the two teenage white kids that beat up and killed a black man saying racial slurs? They technically got slaps on the wrist. A woman who duck-tapes her son to a wall gets probation, but a equally irresponsible non-white woman allows her son to smoke weed and she's labeled a..
@acidsprinkle5950 terrible mother? Not only that the white woman is labeled as making a "mistake". There definitely is a double standard when race is involved.
@acidsprinkle5950 " There definitely is a double standard when race is involved." You mean like that one where Tim Wise racially scapegoats white people for all blacks' problems, which you consider a righteous crusade, but when I suggest blacks are responsible for their own problems you call it racism? Yeah, how about that racially based double standard? How come the only ones you seem concerned with are the ones you claim target blacks? But the ones that target whites you praise and support.
@acidsprinkle5950 "What about Jena Six several years ago?" What about the flash mobs that target white people for violence? The perpetrators' race is NEVER mentioned. Why is it when whites are victimized with racial violence, the media ignore it and pretend it was just a random crime? Why do they just get a slap on the wrist?
@kkilo34 i Never agreed with you. You asked why there are double standards, then say I agree with you. I never agreed that society is equal for everybody.
@acidsprinkle5950 " I never agreed that society is equal for everybody." Oh, but when it's unequal for whites, it's just the natural unfairness of life. But when it's unfair for blacks, it's a moral outrage to be condemned and crusaded against, with the evil of whites being directly blamed for anything unfair in a black person's life. Wow, you sure love racially based double standards that benefit blacks, don't you?
@acidsprinkle5950 " minority and disadvanteged=blacks" Um, that's what you claimed. You said that black people are disadvantaged. I'm sorry. I misunderstood you. Okay, so black people aren't disadvantaged. Yes, I agree. There's no oppression and blacks aren't disadvantaged. I'm glad we agree on this.
@kkilo34 No you claimed you were asking me if I was "disadvantaged".You are so desperate to prove I'm wrong you'll try to make me agree with you? So either you agree with me or disagree. Stop going back on your statements.
@acidsprinkle5950 No, no, no. YOU CLAIMED I WAS PREJUDICED FOR ASSUMING BLACKS WERE DISADVANTAGED. Actually, YOU CLAIMED THEY WERE. Now, you're saying I'm prejudice for assuming they're poor after you got done explaining how helplessly oppressed they are. Now you're saying their not disadvantaged at all, and it's racist to assume so. You are the one full of contradictions here.
@kkilo34 Do I need to re-post what you put on here?"But when I question whether your life is one of disadvantage, you want to claim I'm biased?"- So you never posted that about a week ago? Stick with your argument. Stop reneging. Not only have you twisted my words to prove that you're right, you basically are trying to make me say things I never said.
@acidsprinkle5950 " you basically are trying to make me say things I never said." In part that's intentional. You'll find that I will treat you the way you treat me. You twisted my words, so I lowered my standards. There's no racial privilege here. You want respect? Extend it, and it will be extended to you. You have my word.
@acidsprinkle5950 When you claim that a racial group earns their wealth through illegitimate means you ARE making racial statements. Would you consider it racist to claim blacks' wealth is a result of drug dealing? But you have no problem with Wise making similar statements about white people? It is true whites are born richer, but nothing is stopping black people from earning that same level of wealth and passing it on to their kids....
@acidsprinkle5950 (cont) After all, many poor immigrants come to this country and move into the middle class in a single generation. Poor oriental people came here decades ago. You don't see them having problems catching up over multiple generations. Why do black people have this problem, when they don't even face the language barriers that immigrants do, not to mention a host of other difficulties? These are the realities you don't want to face. Blacks ARE responsible for their failures.
@kkilo34 Really that a bigoted assumption. If you looked at history there were many barriers and laws set to keep blacks from succeeding. Orientals were viewed negatively but there was no active means to keep them from succeeding, but for blacks there were.
@acidsprinkle5950 "but there was no active means to keep them from succeeding" Oh bullshit. You need to learn some things about history. The very first laws against opium were directly created to punish Chinese people. And I should point out that AFRICAN IMMIGRANTS do better than any other immigrant group. Clearly, if discrimination against blacks caused them problems, they would be the worse performing immigrant group. Again, your arguments don't hold water.
@kkilo34 was that law in America? there were laws in the past that kept other races from succeding in America too like West Indians, and Asians. but after the civil war, all the focus turned on black people. African Immigrants are from outside of the U.S. and when they arrive here, they face health problems due to discrimination. Their success is based on the good school systems there. America has terrible school systems and function to benefit the rich.
@acidsprinkle5950 Yes, it was the earliest drug laws in America, found in the Bay area. And your claim that the focus turned to black people after the Civil War would be news to Mexicans dealing with Arizona's immigration laws. And you are seriously arguing that Africa has a better school system than the US? Seriously? You are getting a bit ridiculous now.
@kkilo34 I'm ridiculous but there are bad school systems in Africa where many engineers and so forth come from? true many go abroad to study but The U.S. it considered average in comparison to the rest of the world and ranked 25th most developed school system Just because there are poor areas in a continent doesn't mean everyone's getting a bad education. India is an example of having good school system though a large chunk of the country is in poverty.
@acidsprinkle5950 I know that there are poor schooling systems in parts of Africa but that's not all of Africa. Also you yourself stated that African immigrants do very well so where are they getting their education? Hispanic immigration is a current issue and yes they get it bad even though parts of California and new Mexico originally belonged to Mexicans.
@acidsprinkle5950 "but that's not all of Africa." Sure it's not. Africa is a wonderful place full of wealth and prosperity. So, clearly you agree that black people are not disadvantaged. Compared to whites, they are doing just fine. There's no reason to see them as being more poor or lacking in resources. That, after all, would be prejudice, you say. So, we can agree that blacks have everything they need to succeed, are not facing greater hardships, and I won't look at them that way again.
@acidsprinkle5950 Um, I CLAIMED IT WAS. Now you're saying that Africa has this wonderful education system. Okay, they wouldn't if blacks were allegedly oppressed. So, you want blacks to be seen as helplessly abused children who have to be coddled and cared for before they can become fully functioning adults. But you also want them to be admired and never seen as any less than whites, as they are treated as incapable idiots. Uh huh. Right.
@kkilo34 How does pointing out a good education system in Africa represent blacks born and raised in America? Unless the whole 12% of black America goes to school in Africa, this really has nothing to do with the argument. Different systems and South Africa still is unequal.
@acidsprinkle5950 This argument began with pointing out that African immigrants are the highest performing of ALL immigrants. You claimed that's because Africa has such a great school system, even for those immigrants that come from Sudan, who also are high performing. So, if Africa has such a great school system, then blacks aren't oppressed, But more than that, it's bullshit. You just can't believe whites are not this evil race that wants to destroy non-whites. You hate them. Nothing else.
@acidsprinkle5950 "Just because there are poor areas in a continent doesn't mean everyone's getting a bad education." Yes, I agree. Black people are not oppressed. They don't have a bunch of disadvantages. They're doing just fine. I thought that you were claiming blacks are disadvantaged. Now you agree they have a wonderful education system in Africa, which is superior to that of the US. Great. Then blacks are not facing any unique hardships. Glad we agree on this.
@kkilo34 Umm I'm confused. We're talking about non-whites in America, not Africans who travel over. That not only is a whole different topic, but doesn't prove anything. African Americans and Africans are different culture-wise.
@acidsprinkle5950 Fact is, you claim blacks have this wonderful education system in Africa. Okay, then they're not oppressed. Thanks for clearing that up.
@kkilo34 lol it's funny you use this as your loop-hole to ignore the conversation and say that you are right. You haven't really proved anything and it's laughable to say so. Are you trying to say all blacks in America are educated in Africa? Anciently they are, but they have been born and raised here. still not a valid point for an American issue.
@acidsprinkle5950 "Are you trying to say all blacks in America are educated in Africa?" No, you're the one that used this bullshit claim to excuse the fact that African immigrants do so well here in America. Of course, you don't want to lift any notion that whites are this evil race that are out to destroy black people. So, you can't believe Africans do well here because they do what it takes to succeed, and don't have this chip on their shoulder. You HAVE to blame whites.
@acidsprinkle5950 "But black people are pointed out for their failures more often." Blacks are pointed out for their failure. Blacks BLAME whites for their failures. So, whites defend themselves against this bigotry by showing how blacks' behavioral choices causes their higher rates of failure. You really need to stop equating a defense of black people with a condemnation of blackness. We're just defending ourselves against your bigotry. Why is that a problem for you?
@kkilo34 that's not bigotry. All black people people don't blame whites for their failures. the definition of bigotry has nothing to do with blaming others for their failures. it has everything to do with ignoring the truth of reality. Who said I was black? That in of itself is extremely ignorant as well as claiming what black people think. we can't speak for the whole race.
@acidsprinkle5950 "it has everything to do with ignoring the truth of reality." So, in other words, racism is the act of not agreeing with Tim Wise. So when black people claim they are victims of racism, they mean that the ideology promoted by leftist bigots is sometimes questioned by people like me. Oh, those poor helpless souls. When will someone finally silence people like me that refuse to conform their ideas to the ideology of the great Tim Wise? Then, we'll finally have equality.
@kkilo34 No racism is a system of interpersonal and systemic oppression based on race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, and nationality."So, in other words, racism is the act of not agreeing with Tim Wise."-No that's a giant fallacy. To say you must agree with me or your racist is ridiculous. You can have an opinion, you just make claims that sate he's racist when you have no proof then excuse prejudiced statements by saying you're protecting your race.No you're discriminating on..
@acidsprinkle5950 unproven opinions.When will someone finally silence people like me that refuse to conform their ideas to the ideology of the great Tim Wise? Then, we'll finally have equality.'- so according to you, everyone's crying wolf to get them to agree with Tim. That's not only a opinion but you're ignoring the issue of is race relevant or not in response to success or equal treatment?
@acidsprinkle5950 Unproven opinions? You mean as opposed to those proven opinions you hear about? What exactly is a proven opinion?
"That's not only a opinion" So is the idea that whites are privileged. What proof do you have of this? You can show blacks are poorer. I can show firemen are around every fire. Does that prove they cause fires? Members of different races behave differently, but individuals who do what it takes to be successes face no prohibitive impediments.
@kkilo34 What proof do you have of this? You can show blacks are poorer. I can show firemen are around every fire. Does that prove they cause fires?- that's a strawman and has nothing related to the topic.
@acidsprinkle5950 It's not a strawman. But let's try this again. You claim whites are privileged. What evidence do you have to demonstrate this is true, other than the fact disparities exist? WHAT DATA DO YOU HAVE SHOWING A CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BLACKS POVERTY AND THE EVIL ACTIONS OF WHITES? Anything? I'd love to see it.
@kkilo34 its interesting how you put up a video about time wise, yet i assume you have never read any of his material. if you were to read any one of his books you would discover volumes of factual evidence of how racist and unjust this country is towards blacks and others of color.
@kkilo34 Let's start of with the education system in America. On;y those that can afford to get in a charter school and/or private education can substantially better off. The inner city education system is trash and can't afford books, or good teachers. Mostly white schools offer more AP classes. On top of that, the No Child Left Behind Act makes schools focus on standardized testing instead of learning. They penalize based on minority/special education failure so funding is pulled.
@acidsprinkle5950 Oh, and be sure to watch that video I sent you of mine, "Black People Are Not Oppressed (Education Edition)." It's chocked full of statistics. I have more. You'll be surprised what a lie it is that blacks have no opportunity. They do. They just piss it away because their culture is full of racial scapegoating, a complete denial of personal responsibility, and a strong belief in futility. And no one is to blame but blacks that hold these self-defeating ideas.
@kkilo34 to really understand race, you must first get beyond your brainwashed sense that different races behave differently. yes, under a racialized system different group patterns do form. however, if you compare any racial group in america to the people still living in their native country, you will find the differences to be vast. race, therefore is a sociologically invented concept used to classify groups. there is no scientific evidence of any "race" of people.
@MSENTERTAINMENT1234 " must first get beyond your brainwashed sense that different races behave differently." Actually, you need to get past your brainwashed sense that whites are this evil, inferior race that should be racially scapegoated for all blacks' problems. Blacks really do cause their own problems and you should stop blaming people whose skin color is different, based on this racial prejudice you have of them.
@acidsprinkle5950 Fact is, blacks get lower grades in schools and engage in more criminal behavior over that of whites. They COULD make different choices. They don't. Of course, they have people like Wise to tell them that any problems in their lives are unrelated to the choices they make. In fact, those problems are caused by those people with white skin. They do it to them. So, why take any personal responsibility at all? Just blame whites and keep doing the same things over and over.
@kkilo34 Fact is, blacks get lower grades in schools and engage in more criminal behavior over that of whites. They COULD make different choices. They don't. Of course, they have people like Wise to tell them that any problems in their lives are unrelated to the choices they make.- That's what the news and media wants you to think. It's prejudiced to assume all blacks engage in more criminal behavior than whites, when whites are 4 times more likely to commit crime against each other.
@acidsprinkle5950 All blacks do bad in school? there are definitely no studies that support that comment and there are black people that graduate college so it's ridiculous to claim they overall don't. Or else Herman Cain, Condelezza Rice, and barack Obama wouldn't exist.
@acidsprinkle5950 Ah, I love this weak attempt to claim I made a racist statement. Are you ready for a cold, hard dose of reality? Ready?...You might want to sit down for this one....WHITE PEOPLE ALSO MAKE BAD CHOICES AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM AND NOT OTHER RACES. I know what a fucking concept, huh? Imagine holding everyone responsible for their own bad choices in life and not blaming other races. I realize that's a stretch for you, but there it is.
@kkilo34 what you don't seem to grasp here is that black people are oppressed by a system that offers them disadvantage while offering whites advantage. the level your talking about doesn't exist in this society. to hold a black and white man on the same scale doesn't really work, because whites unjustly have the upper hand. so to talk about holding everyone responsible is all find and good once everyone is equal. this however is not a reality.
@MSENTERTAINMENT1234 "black people are oppressed by a system" No they aren't. I have have over 100 videos demonstrated, with cited research, that they aren't.
@kkilo34 It wasn't racist? You are contradicting yourself because you're acting like only black people aren't held responsible for their actions and cry racism when asked. You also can't prove overwhelmingly a whole race of people think and behave as such so it is prejudiced to claim all black people act as such and all white people are good. You see no problem in that?
@acidsprinkle5950 "acting like only black people aren't held responsible for their actions" Wrong. I hold whites to the EXACT SAME STANDARDS. You, on the other hand, have a racially based double standard. Whites are responsible for their problems, but they are ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR BLACK PEOPLE'S PROBLEMS. And you see no problem with this bigoted concept?
@kkilo34 If you live in a privileged world, it benefits some and those who benefit don't can't can't handle things when they go wrong. You have yet to even consider the possibility that things are unequal. It's just "their problem". You've haven't even answered all my questions. why do you hold whites to a higher standard than non-whites? Not just some people, a whole race technically.
@acidsprinkle5950 And you have yet to consider that they are, in fact, very equal. I hold whites to the same standards as blacks. If whites racially scapegoated black people for their failures the way blacks do whites, you'd hear me criticizing them the same way. So, yes, are you ready for this....WHITES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN PROBLEMS. I know what a fucking concept that a race's problems are not caused by another race. Perhaps that's a concept too advanced for your racist mind.
@acidsprinkle5950 "You once again can't speak for an entire race of people." That's a funny statement coming from someone who claims whites are privileged. You sure do love speaking about an entire race of people, but when a member of that race defends themselves against your racial bigotry, you claim they're trying to speak for an entire race. Get the fuck over yourself, bigot.
@kkilo34 whites most certainly are privileged in this country. its a matter of a system. it's not necessarily ignorant whites like you that are the problem, but the overall system that enforces and regulates racial practices and polices that is the real issue.
@MSENTERTAINMENT1234 "whites most certainly are privileged in this country." I'm whites and have never had any racial privilege. Not once. So, your claim here is based on racial prejudice of people with white skin. You're just a typical bigot. Nothing more.
@kkilo34 You get the fuck over yourself, and thanks for pointing yourself out. You once again insult because you basically have no evidence of disapproving me. He never stated anything pointed at whites specifically. You are offended because you think and act that way, obviously. Cognitive dissonance, much? You have nothing to defend if you have done nothing wrong. It's like someone saying bad things about rapists and you get mad because you are a man.
@acidsprinkle5950 "He never stated anything pointed at whites specifically." Yes, he did. You're the only one that doesn't seem to think he does. I love this "you have nothing to defend if you've done nothing wrong." In other words, anyone who disagrees with you MUST be guilty of something. It seems, like Wise and all other racists, your main goal is ideological conformity and the demonization of dissenting voices.
@kkilo34 No you have taken this whole argument with the idea that I think all whites are evil and inferior, things you claim and have no evidence that I said. It's not just that you disagree, it's your reaction and the things you say as well as insulting me which points towards you taking it personally and now currently taking back statements. You definitely are projecting what you think onto me.
@acidsprinkle5950 "all whites are evil and inferior" Well, clearly it must be A LOT of them. Let's clear this up...In your opinion, what percentage of whites are engaged in evil plots to keep blacks down? If you had to estimate, what percentage would it be? And let me ask you, which race has more people with evil intent: the white or black race? I eagerly await your response.
@acidsprinkle5950 "All blacks do bad in school?" I never said this. Why do you have to lie about what I say? Are you getting frustrated with your defeat in this debate? The more you lie about what I say, the less respect you'll get from me, and things with us will get really nasty. Understand? Good. Now, what I ACTUALLY said was blacks do worse than whites in school, on average, and I have plenty of data to prove that statement is true.
@kkilo34 You you did claim all black people do bad in school because they blaim their failures on whites. Or are you selectively forgetting your statements from a week ago? Interesting. You have no reason to be disrespectful because I copy and paste your exact statements. Those are things you said I didn't lie about anything. You say blacks do worse in school, ok I'll bite. i say it's because of stereotype threat and lack of good teachers. Winning what? You recant previous statements.
@acidsprinkle5950 "ou you did claim all black people do bad in school because they blaim their failures on whites." More lies. You are getting desperate, aren't you. I said they do worse on average than their white counterparts. In a comment box, I might not always have an addendum pointing out that some blacks do very well. Duh. But if you keep up these lies, I'll just block you.
@kkilo34 I'm definitely not the desperate one. You are now recanting statements. you put those things up there so stick with it. If you did block me, it's because you can't handle a debate rationally and fairly.
@acidsprinkle5950 If you continue to lie about what I said, you will be blocked. I've already played this game with your black racists, and I'm not going to do it again. You've been warned.
@acidsprinkle5950 On average, blacks DO have lower test scores and grades, EVEN IN AFFLUENT SCHOOLS, THAN their white counterparts. This is what's called a ratio, and you can look up what that means. But it doesn't say ALL black people fail at school. Of course, desperate to demonize those that disagree, whom you can't intellectually challenge, you want to give them that "racist" label before anyone actually listens to what they have to say and sees how full of shit people like you are.
@kkilo34 Once again insult after insult. you can't disprove me rationally and stay on topic? I'm not the one intellectually challenged, you can't debate fairly. I gave you the racist label as equally as I would give anyone with the same attitude as if racism equates a racist response.
@acidsprinkle5950 That's funny. You claim that black people's problems are caused by (an unspecified portion) of the population with white skin. White people, on the other hand, you claim are responsible for their own problems and blacks don't cause them. I claim that WHITES AND BLACKS are personally responsible for their own problems and people shouldn't racially scapegoat others for those problems. Yet, you claim I am the racist? Interesting.
@acidsprinkle5950 And it's interesting you brought up Cain, Rice, and Obama. Those are HUGELY successful black people. Let me ask you...if black people are oppressed and denied opportunities, why were they able to find them? Did the evil whites just forget to oppress them? Were they busy that day? Are they just incompetent racists? And if those blacks could succeed, then why can't all and why do you assume it's because evil whites won't let them when clearly they let some?
@kkilo34 whites did not earn success legitimately. it has from the start in this country been off the backs of enslaved blacks who got the system of capitalism working. white privilege then continued through 100 years of legal segregation and continues in modern day discrimination. if you consider rape, murder, and theft of people legitimate than you have a sad, twisted view on morality. what the system of white supremacy in the US has done is showcase of the evil and cruelty of the human race.
@MSENTERTAINMENT1234 "whites did not earn success legitimately." This is a statement of racial prejudice. The Nazis believed the EXACT same thing about the Jews. Pat yourself on the back. You think just like a Nazi. Your mamma would be proud.
@kkilo34 how is stating whites didn't legitimately earn success in the past Nazism? You saying someone is a Jewish supremacist and not white but a Jew is more like a Nazi in nature than what he's said. Nazis were white because they were German.
@acidsprinkle5950 "how is stating whites didn't legitimately earn success in the past Nazism? " Tim Wise doesn't argue this happened in the past. He argues that it's the cause of problems TODAY. So, therefore, whites TODAY are responsible for blacks' problems TODAY. Stop pretending this is a discussion about past racism. It's a discussion about how whites are not this evil, inferior race that goes around causing problems for all other races. That's the truth you don't want to face.
@kkilo34 Cain, Rice, Obama, and others like them are here to promote this "post racial" image of america. this elite in this country will love to have a few people of color like this to make it appear that america has transcended its racist past. by having a few token black people rise up the ranks, does not mean however that the majority of those oppressed will be able to do the same.
@kkilo34 Just because there are a few successful black people doesn't mean racism is dead and gone. If you can name several successful people of a race shows everyone else is doing worse. Plus Obama was called a crackhead and other things of racist overtones on fox news. It's still gone? I once again never said all white people are evil. You are making such claims. Those successful minorities are buffers to keep them from seeming racist from all the crap they spew regularly.
@acidsprinkle5950 "Just because there are a few successful black people doesn't mean racism is dead and gone." Wow, black people succeed and you dismiss their success. And then you condemn me for being "racist' when I talk about those that don't succeed. So, when I acknowledge successful blacks, I'm denying racism. When I talk about unsuccessful blacks, I'm being "racist." How convenient that no matter what your opponents say, they're racists.
@kkilo34 Nice try. Is this an overwhelming amount or a few. success is measured by qauntity not just a few token individuals. You never acknowledged successful blacks, I did. You claimed racism can't exist anymore because a few people of a race are successful.
@acidsprinkle5950 "success is measured by qauntity not just a few token individuals." Really? So why are those token individuals not also oppressed. Did these evil whites just forget to oppress them? Are racists really incompetent, and if so, why can't blacks overcome these allegedly evil whites? And why do you insist that whites must be responsible for all those that do fail? Is it because they are inferior and naturally inclined to do evil? Why then must you insist they shoulder all blame?
@acidsprinkle5950 " I once again never said all white people are evil." I never said all blacks were failures. YOU ARE MAKING SUCH CLAIMS. If you don't like it, why do you do it? Look, asshole, you will get back here what you dish out. If you don't like it, extend me some respect and stop misquoting me.
@kkilo34 If you don't like it, why do you do it? Look, asshole, you will get back here what you dish out. If you don't like it, extend me some respect and stop misquoting me. - I never misquoted you. You are taking back statements. If you can't take it, don't say it. Because i clearly can do what you are doing and selectively say you are lying about what I said, but i have integrity.
@acidsprinkle5950 "You are taking back statements." No, I'm not. I have a whole series of videos talking about my core principles to demonstrate the consistency of my ideas. Would you like me to send them to you? You can see for yourself that all my ideas are based on sound reasoning, and unlike you black bigots, I don't resort to hypocrisy, double standards, and circular logic to defend my ideas in a debate. Just let me know, I'll send them to you.
@acidsprinkle5950 "That's what the news and media wants you to think." So, facts are racist? Oooh, I get it. Anything that black people don't like is racist. So, statistical data, even with solid citations and methodologies, is racist if black people don't like what it says. I see. So, being a victim of racism means experiencing things in life you don't like. Wow, those poor helpless black people. How could anyone not feel sorry for them?
@kkilo34 How's the media accurate portrayal? they seek out to report stories about crime purposefully, and typically use black criminals. Which people take as a representation of the whole race. That fair? especially for people who don't participate in such activity? Once again, inbox me your data. I can send you some of mine.
@acidsprinkle5950 "they seek out to report stories about crime purposefully" Yes, and interestingly, when those news stories are about white on black violence, the race angel is MAJORLY played up. When it's black on white violence, they won't even mention the race of the perpetrators, like as in the flash mobs of black racists targeting whites for violence, among other cases. Why should black on white violence get such a pass? Are blacks superior to whites, you think?
@acidsprinkle5950 "To say you must agree with me or your racist is ridiculous" But you said I was racist, did you not. Did I burn a cross in someone's yard? No. Did I lynch anyone? Nope. Did I suggest blacks are incapable of succeeding? Nope. I argue quite the opposite. You can pretend you didn't label me a racist because I don't agree with Wise all you want. But it's painfully obvious that is the case. If not, what PRECISELY makes me a racist. Explain it to me.
@kkilo34 You act certain statements you make isn't at all offensive or prejudiced. So statement like most criminals are black, blacks do bad in school because they're not held accountable, whites invented everything, and Tim wise being like a Nazi isn't racist? That makes you a racist I'm not labeling you. Because you didn't hurt or harass someone legally doesn't make you exempt from being prejudiced.
@acidsprinkle5950 "You act certain statements you make isn't at all offensive or prejudiced. " And you do the same, buddy! Get the fuck over yourself. You make all kinds of statements about how the white race enjoys such privilege and wealth from a bunch of evil acts committed long ago. WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO MAKE SUCH HATEFUL STATEMENTS ABOUT WHITES AND THEN THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE IMMUNE TO THE SAME? Who the fuck gave you THAT privilege?
@kkilo34 lol no need to write in caps are you a child? You once again avoided my statement by throwing insults. Guess someone isn't holding "personal accountability". the evil acts long ago did benefit whites because it was a system set for whites only. They're hateful words or the truth? Yes or no? i'm not immune to criticism but apparently you act as if you are.
@acidsprinkle5950 So, in other words, you are saying that all whites should be judged based on crimes committed long ago by other people who happened to share that skin color. Yes, you are a bigot. Yes, you hate white people. Yes you are in denial about your own racial bigotry. And you want to tell me all about what it's like to be white while being immune to any questions about that or what it's like to be black. Babbling, racist, hypocrite. Nothing more.
@kkilo34 I'm in just as much denial as you are, to be fair. I'm a babling hypocrite yet you can't honestly say much about that on my statements. i never said whites should take the blame for the past, but awareness of it's existence would be nice. You never asked questions just babbled on about personal opinions,statements, and ridicule. who's the hypocrite?
@acidsprinkle5950 "i never said whites should take the blame for the past," You have CONSISTENTLY argued that they are responsible for black people's problems, and denied any data showing otherwise. Like how you had to rationalize why African immigrants do so well. You couldn't believe it's because their attitudes are better. Nope, whites are still evil and blacks are not responsible for their failures. Those evil whites are. Then, you pretend this isn't racism? Astounding.
@acidsprinkle5950 Why do you think black people deserve never to have a single negative opinion expressed about them, even if it's based on factual statistics, but you and other bigots, like Wise, can say the most hateful things about white people? Seriously! You will sit here and defend Wise, who once said that throughout history all evil acts were committed by white males among many other hateful statements. If you don't like your medicine, don't fucking dish it out!
@kkilo34 time wise is by no means a bigot. he is very realistic about the reality of racial oppression in america, backing it up by fact upon fact. blacks have plenty of room to criticize the white power structure in this country. black and white are not on an even playing field in america. it is as like asking the oppressed how they feel about the oppressor.
@kkilo34 Seriously! You will sit here and defend Wise, who once said that throughout history all evil acts were committed by white males among many other hateful statements. If you don't like your medicine, don't fucking dish it out!- It's ironic that you think I can't handle anything but you obviously can't handle your faults being pointed out at all. those opinions are just that, and are based on propaganda not on any studies or facts. I'm clearly not a bigot, you are.
@acidsprinkle5950 "can't handle your faults" My faults? Oooh, that would be the one about me having white skin, right? Oh, my horrible bad-color fault. You are a bigot. A hateful bigot in denial about your own racism.
@kkilo34 I never have said or say hateful things about white people. You can't really prove that, or say that I have said those things you just claim I do. You obviously don't think history is important or made just to hurt the feelings of whites which it isn't. it's a learning tool to keep history from repeating itself.
@acidsprinkle5950 "I never have said or say hateful things about white people. " When you insist they cause blacks' problems, you are saying hateful things about them. Yes, you give a pass to "good whites," which are the ones that agree with you. The rest of us are "racists" and cause blacks to be less prosperous. You only care about history because it's a good way to demonize whites, the way a white racist uses crime statistics to demonize blacks. All you racist love to do that.
@acidsprinkle5950 Why are you defending against the notion blacks are racists, when I CLEARLY stated they weren't? Are you not following the conversation? And you don't think it's insensitive of Wise to claim that whites somehow profit from evil committed long ago? How is that different from assuming that a wealthy black man must be a drug dealer? Fact is, you defend anti-white bigotry, because you believe sensitivity is challenging your hateful dogma.
@kkilo34 So Black people are racist for saying they're unfairly profiled? Not that it's unfairly happening or the crack epidemic in the 80s set harder laws for owning crack vs. cocaine which wasn't changed for years? yes I am following the conversation. So actually the fact that Europeans stole land from Native Americans and set on eradicating as many as possible didn't happen? they just earned the land? I definitely don't defend bigotry.
@acidsprinkle5950 And furthermore, let me ask you a simple question. If racism of the past created wealth that sustains whites' higher rates of wealth today, why are states that were part of the confederacy where slavery was practiced and where the most racist divisions were found the poorest today? Wouldn't those states be the wealthiest if racist actions like slavery produce wealth for centuries for those who practice it? A little strange, don't you think?
he's racist? how is he racist?
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 According to Wise, people with white skin do not legitimately earn their wealth. Instead, they earn it through manipulation and domination of others. This is the exact same concept the Nazis held towards the Jews. If you take Nazi rhetoric on Jewish financial success and replace "Jew" with "white person," you have the very words of Tim Wise.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 he never said anything about white people manipulating to earn their wealth, but have privilege on based on a racist institution does gives whites certain benefits people of color do not enjoy. Really, he's like a Nazi? for wanting equality? nice way to try and discredit him. He never said whites do that now but the past actions caused the problems of today. You don't listen to a word the man says.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 This privilege he claims whites have is entirely based on manipulation and domination. You can express that same idea in different words, but that doesn't change its meaning. According to Wise, whites' higher rates of wealth is not a result of hard work, determination, and smart decisions. It's a result of evil.This is PRECISELY what the Nazis believed about the Jews. And blaming whites for crimes committed long ago by people who happened to have that skin color is ALSO racist.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 How is pointing out the past racist? It's the truth!! He never said whites never earn anything, they have the advantage of their ancestors having access to build wealth than minorities historically couldn't in America. Why are you trying to paint the Nazis as good people? They killed millions of people for no reason other than to scapegoat the Jews for the U.N. making their country bankrupt. Any way you put it, you sound more racist than he does.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 That's like asking how pointing out the high rates of crime among black populations is racist. It too is the truth, is it not? Of course, based on that fact, one can conclude that blacks are very violent, which is an erroneous conclusion. So, you're focusing on the facts Wise produces and ignoring the racist conclusions he promotes. And yes, you consider me racist, because I defend white people. And doesn't that prove my point?
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 That's like asking how pointing out the high rates of crime among black populations is racist. It too is the truth, is it not? - yeah because a lot of black people are profiled as criminals wrongly, not saying there aren't black criminals but who fills the jails more? Minorities or whites?
And yes, you consider me racist, because I defend white people. And doesn't that prove my point?- no you claimed he's a like a Nazi for his beliefs. That is completely insensitive given the
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 part 2 past of Nazism and Germany, don't you think? he actually had a grandfather leave Europe because of that. Nobody's blaming you or all white people personally for the actions of the past, just acknowledging an unfair system. What racist conclusions has he made?
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Yes, and you think having seen the destruction bigotry causes that he wouldn't be so eager to promote it. Yet, he does. And you can call racial scapegoating "acknowledging an unfair system" all you want, but that doesn't change what it is. I've told you the racist conclusions he's made. Whites higher rates of wealth is a result of hard work, determination, and smart choices. It has NOTHING to do with racial privilege.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 How's he a bigot if he never stated how superior he is? How is this racial scapegoating? It is what it is and whether you fail to acknowledge it or not is up to you. You obviously are obliviously to race and the social construct of it. So all whites earned their wealth and minorities just couldn't measure up? How bigoted of you. Nobody but whites could own land for years and the housing act of 1968 definitely made blacks unable to live in white neighborhoods and lowered
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 housing value. That's biased to think only whites earned it and everyone else just got free handouts.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 I never said everyone got free handouts. I am arguing that whites deserve what they own. It's not a result of depriving minorities of anything. It's wonderful you can point to some law in 1968, and I'm sure it did have an effect then. But this is 2011. Blacks not only own land and houses. They become president of the country.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 So a black president makes racism irrelevant? You know if he mentioned anything about race he wouldn't get the white vote. Not only that, he was accused of not being an American citizen, no other president has been questioned of their nationality. That law does stay in affect today. But do white people have to think about race at all with their everyday lives in certain situations? Exactly. If what you say is true, minorities don't have to deal with racism anymore.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "So a black president makes racism irrelevant?" What would raise questions about the claims of black oppression? How many black presidents does there have to be to indicate that black people have the opportunity to do anything they want with their lives? 50? 100? Fact is, you readily dismiss Obama's success because he doesn't fit your anti-white narrative. And yes, he faced some criticism. Do you want to argue Bush never faced any criticism?
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 I never dismissed his success. just pointing out how long it took for the U.S. to get a black president. If things were equal, why did it take so long for a non-white president to be elected?
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Because, DUH!, for years blacks were discriminated against and becoming president wasn't possible. But that's been over for a few generations now.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "no other president has been questioned of their nationality." Bush was questioned on his role in the murder of 2000 people. Can you point to another president that was ever questioned about such things? Mind you, I think Bush was an idiot. But you're desperately trying to argue Obama had it harder so you can go on maintaining your "white people are out to destroy blacks" narrative. That's just bigotry. We're not trying to hurt anyone. Whites haven't in decades.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "How's he a bigot if he never stated how superior he is?" He's a bigot for stating how inferior whites are by claiming their wealth isn't legitimately earned. It would be like me suggesting that blacks' wealth is a result of crime. Minorities CAN measure up. But they are told to deny their failures are related to their behavior. Instead, they racially scapegoat whites for their failures and go on engaging in the same self-defeating behaviors year after year.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 once again he never stated whites are inferior. They did have an edge and had an easier chance to earn and build up wealth. All black people do that? I've seen people of other races do the same thing or live off their parents' money and never earned a dime in their life. But black people are pointed out for their failures more often. That's a fair measurement? You never stop to question why they would do that instead of looking at an unfair system of education. There are people
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 when given the chance excel but have the unfair opportunities. If growing up in a negative environment, and few good ways out you can't see how that would give them a stinted view on life? To you it's the bootstrap theory? They're too lazy and don't work hard enough so it's their fault.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 You do know that blacks in wealthy neighborhoods who go to wealthy schools STILL do worse than their peers in the same schools right? Ogbu, a black researcher, did research on why this is and found that blacks study less, have a lot of peer pressure to fail, and their parents aren't involved in their success as much as whites. So, yes, blacks do cause their own failures through their self-defeating choices. They could make different choices. They just don't, not whites fault.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 Really they put that on themselves, nothing to do with social construct? because there are whites that have the same problems and succeed. you're not even questioning why is that? you just say oh they don't care about success. what about socialization and negative media role models? You don't look at other factors, it's just they don't care. nice argument.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "what about socialization" Yes, what about socialization. Like for instance, what about the almost complete belief in the black community that every dissatisfaction in their lives has nothing to do with the consequences of their choices and everything to do with some injustice they face by people with white skin? You really want to argue that that attitude would not undermine a person's ability to make good choices? You don't look at other factors. You just blame whites.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 No they don't. I've never met many black people who go around claiming every failure is because the "white man did it". Once again you have no way of proving my race. you are only reading my messages. that in and of itself is biased.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 " Once again you have no way of proving my race." Oh, but you have all kinds of ways of determining just where my race gets its wealth? And you're able to sit there and tell me all about how my life is one of wealth and privilege because my skin is white? But when I question whether your life is one of disadvantage, you want to claim I'm biased? How arrogant can you get to run around telling people of other races what their lives are like and think you're immune to the same?
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 Oh, but you have all kinds of ways of determining just where my race gets its wealth?- i never said all whites are rich. Again it's prejudiced to assume I'm black because I disagree with you. I used African Americans issues to point it out.But when I question whether your life is one of disadvantage, you want to claim I'm biased? How arrogant can you get to run around telling people of other races what their lives are like and think you're immune to the same?- I asked if it..
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 would matter if my race would determine what I''m saying is true. It's not at all racist to assume black=poor? I find it ironic you say I'm arrogant of telling people of other races who and what they are, but apparently you stand for all whites and can say whatever racist comments justified over Tim Wise? You are accountable for you, not your whole race and as far as I'm concerned, a racist doesn't excuse your actions or bigoted statements.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 " but apparently you stand for all whites' I never said any such thing. You're reaching for straws here. I do know if there was white privilege, being a white person, I would have experienced it. I have not. And you can claim it's racist to disagree with Wise all you want. But that proves my point. There is no racial privilege. There's just a racist ideology, and those that hold this hatred of whites don't want to face up to it. You're bigots. Nothing more.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 You claimed you were "defending the white race". So yes that type of claim means you represent all white people. How is he again racist against whites, he is seen as white so he would experience the privilege too. And he grew up in New Orleans very poor and saw people blaim blacks for crime then set laws against them. So how is he and people that agree with him a bigot, especially if he grew up poor as well?
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "defending the white race" I never said that. I said I was defending white people against racial prejudice. Why would I need to defend the white race. They're doing just fine. I realize you believe it's because they're evil and not that they're just very capable people. I realize you think they should be condemned for doing so well and not praised for showing what the human race is capable of. But I will continue to defend that they earned their success legitimately.
kkilo34 2 months ago
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MSENTERTAINMENT1234 2 months ago
@kkilo34 you, like many whites in this country do no understand your privilege because you accept it as inherent and natural. you are unable to view your privileged status and lifestyle for what it really is. wise does not promote hatred of white people. what he teaches is how the system under which we live is unjust and unbalanced between the races.
MSENTERTAINMENT1234 2 months ago
@MSENTERTAINMENT1234 Oh, I have privilege? Okay, prove it. In SPECIFIC detail, please describe PRECISELY how I had a privilege as a direct result of my white skin. I eagerly await your response.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "i never said all whites are rich." You claimed we all are privileged. So you DID make declarations about what it's like to be white. And if you're white then please describe in PRECISE detail how you are racially privileged. See, I have never, ever experienced any such thing. So, as a white person claiming we're so privileged, surely you can tell me, a fellow white man, how you obtained something I've never had. Please, where do I go to get this privilege?
kkilo34 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "They're too lazy and don't work hard enough so it's their fault." Some whites are poor too. Let me ask you: which race causes poor whites to be poor? And if no race does cause poor whites to be poor, then why must black people's poverty be caused by another race? Why isn't it possible that other factors may explain it? Why is any question about whites' role in black poverty the equivalent of saying blacks are lazy losers? Why the double standards for poor blacks and whites?
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 Because people automatically assume minority and disadvanteged=blacks. There is more than just race going on, there is a class system too."Why is any question about whites' role in black poverty the equivalent of saying blacks are lazy losers? Why the double standards for poor blacks and whites?"-Because you stated they cause their own problems and given a chance, blacks don't just measure up. here is no double standard, poor whites are viewed badly too. redneck and trailer...
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 trash are common insults for poor whites as well as the stigma attached to being dirty and poor.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Oh, yes, you are so right. White people face the exact same problems that black people do. There's no oppression of black people. There are some negative views of the poor, but that affects whites and blacks equally. I'm glad you agree with me that we do have an equal society and blacks are facing any disadvantage that's any greater than any other racial group.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 Same problems pus extra stress, i would know because I'm not white. So you apparently can tell me I can go into a sundown town? Those are towns where non-whites go to have to be indoors by sunset or risk physical assault/harassment by racists. FYI those still do exists. I'll name several privileges you have
1. college legacy
2.people don't relate to you by stereotypes
3. can't live in certain areas
4. seen as smart
5. representative of whole race
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 1. Black people have just as much chance of getting into college today as any did. I'm the first one in my family to get an MA and the second to get a BA. So your belief is a "college legacy" is based ENTIRELY on a racial prejudice of whites. Most whites do not have college degrees and ALMOST ALL older whites have NO college degrees. They used to be very rare, only found in the wealthiest of whites.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 !. No it isn't College legacy exists. There are people who are admitted based on the fact that somebody from their family got into that school. Most whites don't have college degrees? where are you getting your information from?
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "on the fact that somebody from their family got into that school." This is a MINUSCULE population of people. You're really wanting to claim that whites have privilege because 1 or 2% of them get into college as a part of some legacy? Give me a fucking break! And yes, Census Bureau data clearly shows that in 1950, LESS THAN 10% of whites got degrees. Today, it's about 30%. But blacks get more education today as well. Most choose not to pursue higher education.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 You claim legacy doesn't exist, now barely anybody gets in? Which is it? Legacy is greater for parents/grandparents who stayed connected. Yes that were whites but how many African Americans got degrees back then? Their schooling had bad teachers, little funding, and crappy schoolhouses. at least white students had a chance. There also are more educated Black people but why are their unemployment rates higher than any other race? Blacks are more likely to be placed in..
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 low income schools which are considered dropout factories. Fair? And yes I can e-mail you my links as well.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 I won't look at your links anymore than you'd look at mine. Again, you blame whites because you consider them to be evil. So, if there are problems, the notion whites wouldn't cause them just can't penetrate your racist mind.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Um, MOST people get into college without a legacy. Me, for example. Now you're just being stupid. Sorry, but you are. And again, blacks in affluent schools TODAY do worse than their peers in the same schools. Why do you assume that whites MUST be the cause of blacks' unemployment? Is it because you believe they are an evil, inferior race and that if there are problems they must be the cause, because that's what whites do...cause problems? Isn't that why you blame them?
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 But at the Wisconsin School of Law, black applicants have a 700% higher chance of getting in than whites with the same test scores. Likewise black applicants to med school with average or slightly below average test scores have a 500% greater chance of being admitted than whites with the same scores. Want to see the sources of my data? I'd be happy to send them to you. Yeah, some white privilege there. You need to educate yourself.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 Ok then inbox me the facts.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Done.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "2.people don't relate to you by stereotypes" You just did. In fact, I get stereotyped for being white all the time. It's assumed since I'm white I have "college legacy," never face any "stereotypes," can live in all areas (Yeah, I'd fit right in in Anacosta, wouldn't I?), and that somehow I think I'm "representative of the whole race." These are a few racial stereotypes I face everyday...from black bigots like you.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Here's a few more stereotypes I face....When I suggest blacks may cause their own problems, I'm assumed to be hating them for being black. When I don't give a black man a job, I'm assumed to have not done so because he's black. When I make more money than a minority person, I'm assumed to be racially privileged. When I have a college degree,it's assumed I got it because I'm white and not because I work hard. When I...the list goes on and on. Keep dreaming, bigot.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 2. wow. let's compare being seen as racist against unlawful arrests, racial profiling, people actively discriminating against you in public areas such as work, school, restaurants. That is equal discrimination experiences? lol that's really sad. Racism does affect whites too and one of the problems is seen as racist. Nice insult, you can't make a valid point?
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "people actively discriminating against you in public areas" This doesn't happen to black people. Not ever. The slightest hint of discrimination causes an absolute moral outrage. Denny's was sued for hundreds of millions for discrimination. Micheal Richards and Don Imus faced serious consequences to their careers for racist remarks. How many examples do you need? And you want to claim blacks are discriminated against when clearly there are serious penalties for doing so?
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 Yes it does. What about Jena Six several years ago? Black students were penalized and arrested for beating up white students wgo actively displayed racially offensive material. What about the treatment of the two teenage white kids that beat up and killed a black man saying racial slurs? They technically got slaps on the wrist. A woman who duck-tapes her son to a wall gets probation, but a equally irresponsible non-white woman allows her son to smoke weed and she's labeled a..
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 terrible mother? Not only that the white woman is labeled as making a "mistake". There definitely is a double standard when race is involved.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 " There definitely is a double standard when race is involved." You mean like that one where Tim Wise racially scapegoats white people for all blacks' problems, which you consider a righteous crusade, but when I suggest blacks are responsible for their own problems you call it racism? Yeah, how about that racially based double standard? How come the only ones you seem concerned with are the ones you claim target blacks? But the ones that target whites you praise and support.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "What about Jena Six several years ago?" What about the flash mobs that target white people for violence? The perpetrators' race is NEVER mentioned. Why is it when whites are victimized with racial violence, the media ignore it and pretend it was just a random crime? Why do they just get a slap on the wrist?
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 i Never agreed with you. You asked why there are double standards, then say I agree with you. I never agreed that society is equal for everybody.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 " I never agreed that society is equal for everybody." Oh, but when it's unequal for whites, it's just the natural unfairness of life. But when it's unfair for blacks, it's a moral outrage to be condemned and crusaded against, with the evil of whites being directly blamed for anything unfair in a black person's life. Wow, you sure love racially based double standards that benefit blacks, don't you?
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 " minority and disadvanteged=blacks" Um, that's what you claimed. You said that black people are disadvantaged. I'm sorry. I misunderstood you. Okay, so black people aren't disadvantaged. Yes, I agree. There's no oppression and blacks aren't disadvantaged. I'm glad we agree on this.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 No you claimed you were asking me if I was "disadvantaged".You are so desperate to prove I'm wrong you'll try to make me agree with you? So either you agree with me or disagree. Stop going back on your statements.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 No, no, no. YOU CLAIMED I WAS PREJUDICED FOR ASSUMING BLACKS WERE DISADVANTAGED. Actually, YOU CLAIMED THEY WERE. Now, you're saying I'm prejudice for assuming they're poor after you got done explaining how helplessly oppressed they are. Now you're saying their not disadvantaged at all, and it's racist to assume so. You are the one full of contradictions here.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 Do I need to re-post what you put on here?"But when I question whether your life is one of disadvantage, you want to claim I'm biased?"- So you never posted that about a week ago? Stick with your argument. Stop reneging. Not only have you twisted my words to prove that you're right, you basically are trying to make me say things I never said.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 " you basically are trying to make me say things I never said." In part that's intentional. You'll find that I will treat you the way you treat me. You twisted my words, so I lowered my standards. There's no racial privilege here. You want respect? Extend it, and it will be extended to you. You have my word.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 When you claim that a racial group earns their wealth through illegitimate means you ARE making racial statements. Would you consider it racist to claim blacks' wealth is a result of drug dealing? But you have no problem with Wise making similar statements about white people? It is true whites are born richer, but nothing is stopping black people from earning that same level of wealth and passing it on to their kids....
kkilo34 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 (cont) After all, many poor immigrants come to this country and move into the middle class in a single generation. Poor oriental people came here decades ago. You don't see them having problems catching up over multiple generations. Why do black people have this problem, when they don't even face the language barriers that immigrants do, not to mention a host of other difficulties? These are the realities you don't want to face. Blacks ARE responsible for their failures.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 Really that a bigoted assumption. If you looked at history there were many barriers and laws set to keep blacks from succeeding. Orientals were viewed negatively but there was no active means to keep them from succeeding, but for blacks there were.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "but there was no active means to keep them from succeeding" Oh bullshit. You need to learn some things about history. The very first laws against opium were directly created to punish Chinese people. And I should point out that AFRICAN IMMIGRANTS do better than any other immigrant group. Clearly, if discrimination against blacks caused them problems, they would be the worse performing immigrant group. Again, your arguments don't hold water.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 was that law in America? there were laws in the past that kept other races from succeding in America too like West Indians, and Asians. but after the civil war, all the focus turned on black people. African Immigrants are from outside of the U.S. and when they arrive here, they face health problems due to discrimination. Their success is based on the good school systems there. America has terrible school systems and function to benefit the rich.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Yes, it was the earliest drug laws in America, found in the Bay area. And your claim that the focus turned to black people after the Civil War would be news to Mexicans dealing with Arizona's immigration laws. And you are seriously arguing that Africa has a better school system than the US? Seriously? You are getting a bit ridiculous now.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 I'm ridiculous but there are bad school systems in Africa where many engineers and so forth come from? true many go abroad to study but The U.S. it considered average in comparison to the rest of the world and ranked 25th most developed school system Just because there are poor areas in a continent doesn't mean everyone's getting a bad education. India is an example of having good school system though a large chunk of the country is in poverty.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 I know that there are poor schooling systems in parts of Africa but that's not all of Africa. Also you yourself stated that African immigrants do very well so where are they getting their education? Hispanic immigration is a current issue and yes they get it bad even though parts of California and new Mexico originally belonged to Mexicans.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "but that's not all of Africa." Sure it's not. Africa is a wonderful place full of wealth and prosperity. So, clearly you agree that black people are not disadvantaged. Compared to whites, they are doing just fine. There's no reason to see them as being more poor or lacking in resources. That, after all, would be prejudice, you say. So, we can agree that blacks have everything they need to succeed, are not facing greater hardships, and I won't look at them that way again.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 Not only that, you previously claimed the education system in Africa is terrible. So which is it? You are contradicting yourself.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Um, I CLAIMED IT WAS. Now you're saying that Africa has this wonderful education system. Okay, they wouldn't if blacks were allegedly oppressed. So, you want blacks to be seen as helplessly abused children who have to be coddled and cared for before they can become fully functioning adults. But you also want them to be admired and never seen as any less than whites, as they are treated as incapable idiots. Uh huh. Right.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 How does pointing out a good education system in Africa represent blacks born and raised in America? Unless the whole 12% of black America goes to school in Africa, this really has nothing to do with the argument. Different systems and South Africa still is unequal.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 This argument began with pointing out that African immigrants are the highest performing of ALL immigrants. You claimed that's because Africa has such a great school system, even for those immigrants that come from Sudan, who also are high performing. So, if Africa has such a great school system, then blacks aren't oppressed, But more than that, it's bullshit. You just can't believe whites are not this evil race that wants to destroy non-whites. You hate them. Nothing else.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "Just because there are poor areas in a continent doesn't mean everyone's getting a bad education." Yes, I agree. Black people are not oppressed. They don't have a bunch of disadvantages. They're doing just fine. I thought that you were claiming blacks are disadvantaged. Now you agree they have a wonderful education system in Africa, which is superior to that of the US. Great. Then blacks are not facing any unique hardships. Glad we agree on this.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 Umm I'm confused. We're talking about non-whites in America, not Africans who travel over. That not only is a whole different topic, but doesn't prove anything. African Americans and Africans are different culture-wise.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Fact is, you claim blacks have this wonderful education system in Africa. Okay, then they're not oppressed. Thanks for clearing that up.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 lol it's funny you use this as your loop-hole to ignore the conversation and say that you are right. You haven't really proved anything and it's laughable to say so. Are you trying to say all blacks in America are educated in Africa? Anciently they are, but they have been born and raised here. still not a valid point for an American issue.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "Are you trying to say all blacks in America are educated in Africa?" No, you're the one that used this bullshit claim to excuse the fact that African immigrants do so well here in America. Of course, you don't want to lift any notion that whites are this evil race that are out to destroy black people. So, you can't believe Africans do well here because they do what it takes to succeed, and don't have this chip on their shoulder. You HAVE to blame whites.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "But black people are pointed out for their failures more often." Blacks are pointed out for their failure. Blacks BLAME whites for their failures. So, whites defend themselves against this bigotry by showing how blacks' behavioral choices causes their higher rates of failure. You really need to stop equating a defense of black people with a condemnation of blackness. We're just defending ourselves against your bigotry. Why is that a problem for you?
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 that's not bigotry. All black people people don't blame whites for their failures. the definition of bigotry has nothing to do with blaming others for their failures. it has everything to do with ignoring the truth of reality. Who said I was black? That in of itself is extremely ignorant as well as claiming what black people think. we can't speak for the whole race.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "it has everything to do with ignoring the truth of reality." So, in other words, racism is the act of not agreeing with Tim Wise. So when black people claim they are victims of racism, they mean that the ideology promoted by leftist bigots is sometimes questioned by people like me. Oh, those poor helpless souls. When will someone finally silence people like me that refuse to conform their ideas to the ideology of the great Tim Wise? Then, we'll finally have equality.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 No racism is a system of interpersonal and systemic oppression based on race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, and nationality."So, in other words, racism is the act of not agreeing with Tim Wise."-No that's a giant fallacy. To say you must agree with me or your racist is ridiculous. You can have an opinion, you just make claims that sate he's racist when you have no proof then excuse prejudiced statements by saying you're protecting your race.No you're discriminating on..
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 unproven opinions.When will someone finally silence people like me that refuse to conform their ideas to the ideology of the great Tim Wise? Then, we'll finally have equality.'- so according to you, everyone's crying wolf to get them to agree with Tim. That's not only a opinion but you're ignoring the issue of is race relevant or not in response to success or equal treatment?
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Unproven opinions? You mean as opposed to those proven opinions you hear about? What exactly is a proven opinion?
"That's not only a opinion" So is the idea that whites are privileged. What proof do you have of this? You can show blacks are poorer. I can show firemen are around every fire. Does that prove they cause fires? Members of different races behave differently, but individuals who do what it takes to be successes face no prohibitive impediments.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 What proof do you have of this? You can show blacks are poorer. I can show firemen are around every fire. Does that prove they cause fires?- that's a strawman and has nothing related to the topic.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 It's not a strawman. But let's try this again. You claim whites are privileged. What evidence do you have to demonstrate this is true, other than the fact disparities exist? WHAT DATA DO YOU HAVE SHOWING A CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BLACKS POVERTY AND THE EVIL ACTIONS OF WHITES? Anything? I'd love to see it.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 its interesting how you put up a video about time wise, yet i assume you have never read any of his material. if you were to read any one of his books you would discover volumes of factual evidence of how racist and unjust this country is towards blacks and others of color.
MSENTERTAINMENT1234 2 months ago
@kkilo34 Let's start of with the education system in America. On;y those that can afford to get in a charter school and/or private education can substantially better off. The inner city education system is trash and can't afford books, or good teachers. Mostly white schools offer more AP classes. On top of that, the No Child Left Behind Act makes schools focus on standardized testing instead of learning. They penalize based on minority/special education failure so funding is pulled.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Yes, the education system is screwed up. But blacks in affluent schools still perform worse than whites in the same schools.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 Again proof. You can inbox me your info.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Sent.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Oh, and be sure to watch that video I sent you of mine, "Black People Are Not Oppressed (Education Edition)." It's chocked full of statistics. I have more. You'll be surprised what a lie it is that blacks have no opportunity. They do. They just piss it away because their culture is full of racial scapegoating, a complete denial of personal responsibility, and a strong belief in futility. And no one is to blame but blacks that hold these self-defeating ideas.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 to really understand race, you must first get beyond your brainwashed sense that different races behave differently. yes, under a racialized system different group patterns do form. however, if you compare any racial group in america to the people still living in their native country, you will find the differences to be vast. race, therefore is a sociologically invented concept used to classify groups. there is no scientific evidence of any "race" of people.
MSENTERTAINMENT1234 2 months ago
@MSENTERTAINMENT1234 " must first get beyond your brainwashed sense that different races behave differently." Actually, you need to get past your brainwashed sense that whites are this evil, inferior race that should be racially scapegoated for all blacks' problems. Blacks really do cause their own problems and you should stop blaming people whose skin color is different, based on this racial prejudice you have of them.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Fact is, blacks get lower grades in schools and engage in more criminal behavior over that of whites. They COULD make different choices. They don't. Of course, they have people like Wise to tell them that any problems in their lives are unrelated to the choices they make. In fact, those problems are caused by those people with white skin. They do it to them. So, why take any personal responsibility at all? Just blame whites and keep doing the same things over and over.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 Fact is, blacks get lower grades in schools and engage in more criminal behavior over that of whites. They COULD make different choices. They don't. Of course, they have people like Wise to tell them that any problems in their lives are unrelated to the choices they make.- That's what the news and media wants you to think. It's prejudiced to assume all blacks engage in more criminal behavior than whites, when whites are 4 times more likely to commit crime against each other.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 All blacks do bad in school? there are definitely no studies that support that comment and there are black people that graduate college so it's ridiculous to claim they overall don't. Or else Herman Cain, Condelezza Rice, and barack Obama wouldn't exist.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 you also make claims that they purposefully make bad choices? You once again can't speak for an entire race of people.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Ah, I love this weak attempt to claim I made a racist statement. Are you ready for a cold, hard dose of reality? Ready?...You might want to sit down for this one....WHITE PEOPLE ALSO MAKE BAD CHOICES AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM AND NOT OTHER RACES. I know what a fucking concept, huh? Imagine holding everyone responsible for their own bad choices in life and not blaming other races. I realize that's a stretch for you, but there it is.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 what you don't seem to grasp here is that black people are oppressed by a system that offers them disadvantage while offering whites advantage. the level your talking about doesn't exist in this society. to hold a black and white man on the same scale doesn't really work, because whites unjustly have the upper hand. so to talk about holding everyone responsible is all find and good once everyone is equal. this however is not a reality.
MSENTERTAINMENT1234 2 months ago
@MSENTERTAINMENT1234 "black people are oppressed by a system" No they aren't. I have have over 100 videos demonstrated, with cited research, that they aren't.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 It wasn't racist? You are contradicting yourself because you're acting like only black people aren't held responsible for their actions and cry racism when asked. You also can't prove overwhelmingly a whole race of people think and behave as such so it is prejudiced to claim all black people act as such and all white people are good. You see no problem in that?
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "acting like only black people aren't held responsible for their actions" Wrong. I hold whites to the EXACT SAME STANDARDS. You, on the other hand, have a racially based double standard. Whites are responsible for their problems, but they are ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR BLACK PEOPLE'S PROBLEMS. And you see no problem with this bigoted concept?
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 If you live in a privileged world, it benefits some and those who benefit don't can't can't handle things when they go wrong. You have yet to even consider the possibility that things are unequal. It's just "their problem". You've haven't even answered all my questions. why do you hold whites to a higher standard than non-whites? Not just some people, a whole race technically.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 And you have yet to consider that they are, in fact, very equal. I hold whites to the same standards as blacks. If whites racially scapegoated black people for their failures the way blacks do whites, you'd hear me criticizing them the same way. So, yes, are you ready for this....WHITES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN PROBLEMS. I know what a fucking concept that a race's problems are not caused by another race. Perhaps that's a concept too advanced for your racist mind.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "You once again can't speak for an entire race of people." That's a funny statement coming from someone who claims whites are privileged. You sure do love speaking about an entire race of people, but when a member of that race defends themselves against your racial bigotry, you claim they're trying to speak for an entire race. Get the fuck over yourself, bigot.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 whites most certainly are privileged in this country. its a matter of a system. it's not necessarily ignorant whites like you that are the problem, but the overall system that enforces and regulates racial practices and polices that is the real issue.
MSENTERTAINMENT1234 2 months ago
@MSENTERTAINMENT1234 "whites most certainly are privileged in this country." I'm whites and have never had any racial privilege. Not once. So, your claim here is based on racial prejudice of people with white skin. You're just a typical bigot. Nothing more.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 You get the fuck over yourself, and thanks for pointing yourself out. You once again insult because you basically have no evidence of disapproving me. He never stated anything pointed at whites specifically. You are offended because you think and act that way, obviously. Cognitive dissonance, much? You have nothing to defend if you have done nothing wrong. It's like someone saying bad things about rapists and you get mad because you are a man.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "He never stated anything pointed at whites specifically." Yes, he did. You're the only one that doesn't seem to think he does. I love this "you have nothing to defend if you've done nothing wrong." In other words, anyone who disagrees with you MUST be guilty of something. It seems, like Wise and all other racists, your main goal is ideological conformity and the demonization of dissenting voices.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 No you have taken this whole argument with the idea that I think all whites are evil and inferior, things you claim and have no evidence that I said. It's not just that you disagree, it's your reaction and the things you say as well as insulting me which points towards you taking it personally and now currently taking back statements. You definitely are projecting what you think onto me.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "all whites are evil and inferior" Well, clearly it must be A LOT of them. Let's clear this up...In your opinion, what percentage of whites are engaged in evil plots to keep blacks down? If you had to estimate, what percentage would it be? And let me ask you, which race has more people with evil intent: the white or black race? I eagerly await your response.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "All blacks do bad in school?" I never said this. Why do you have to lie about what I say? Are you getting frustrated with your defeat in this debate? The more you lie about what I say, the less respect you'll get from me, and things with us will get really nasty. Understand? Good. Now, what I ACTUALLY said was blacks do worse than whites in school, on average, and I have plenty of data to prove that statement is true.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 You you did claim all black people do bad in school because they blaim their failures on whites. Or are you selectively forgetting your statements from a week ago? Interesting. You have no reason to be disrespectful because I copy and paste your exact statements. Those are things you said I didn't lie about anything. You say blacks do worse in school, ok I'll bite. i say it's because of stereotype threat and lack of good teachers. Winning what? You recant previous statements.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "ou you did claim all black people do bad in school because they blaim their failures on whites." More lies. You are getting desperate, aren't you. I said they do worse on average than their white counterparts. In a comment box, I might not always have an addendum pointing out that some blacks do very well. Duh. But if you keep up these lies, I'll just block you.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 I'm definitely not the desperate one. You are now recanting statements. you put those things up there so stick with it. If you did block me, it's because you can't handle a debate rationally and fairly.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 If you continue to lie about what I said, you will be blocked. I've already played this game with your black racists, and I'm not going to do it again. You've been warned.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 On average, blacks DO have lower test scores and grades, EVEN IN AFFLUENT SCHOOLS, THAN their white counterparts. This is what's called a ratio, and you can look up what that means. But it doesn't say ALL black people fail at school. Of course, desperate to demonize those that disagree, whom you can't intellectually challenge, you want to give them that "racist" label before anyone actually listens to what they have to say and sees how full of shit people like you are.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 Once again insult after insult. you can't disprove me rationally and stay on topic? I'm not the one intellectually challenged, you can't debate fairly. I gave you the racist label as equally as I would give anyone with the same attitude as if racism equates a racist response.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 That's funny. You claim that black people's problems are caused by (an unspecified portion) of the population with white skin. White people, on the other hand, you claim are responsible for their own problems and blacks don't cause them. I claim that WHITES AND BLACKS are personally responsible for their own problems and people shouldn't racially scapegoat others for those problems. Yet, you claim I am the racist? Interesting.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 And it's interesting you brought up Cain, Rice, and Obama. Those are HUGELY successful black people. Let me ask you...if black people are oppressed and denied opportunities, why were they able to find them? Did the evil whites just forget to oppress them? Were they busy that day? Are they just incompetent racists? And if those blacks could succeed, then why can't all and why do you assume it's because evil whites won't let them when clearly they let some?
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 whites did not earn success legitimately. it has from the start in this country been off the backs of enslaved blacks who got the system of capitalism working. white privilege then continued through 100 years of legal segregation and continues in modern day discrimination. if you consider rape, murder, and theft of people legitimate than you have a sad, twisted view on morality. what the system of white supremacy in the US has done is showcase of the evil and cruelty of the human race.
MSENTERTAINMENT1234 2 months ago
@MSENTERTAINMENT1234 "whites did not earn success legitimately." This is a statement of racial prejudice. The Nazis believed the EXACT same thing about the Jews. Pat yourself on the back. You think just like a Nazi. Your mamma would be proud.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 how is stating whites didn't legitimately earn success in the past Nazism? You saying someone is a Jewish supremacist and not white but a Jew is more like a Nazi in nature than what he's said. Nazis were white because they were German.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "how is stating whites didn't legitimately earn success in the past Nazism? " Tim Wise doesn't argue this happened in the past. He argues that it's the cause of problems TODAY. So, therefore, whites TODAY are responsible for blacks' problems TODAY. Stop pretending this is a discussion about past racism. It's a discussion about how whites are not this evil, inferior race that goes around causing problems for all other races. That's the truth you don't want to face.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 Cain, Rice, Obama, and others like them are here to promote this "post racial" image of america. this elite in this country will love to have a few people of color like this to make it appear that america has transcended its racist past. by having a few token black people rise up the ranks, does not mean however that the majority of those oppressed will be able to do the same.
MSENTERTAINMENT1234 2 months ago
@kkilo34 Just because there are a few successful black people doesn't mean racism is dead and gone. If you can name several successful people of a race shows everyone else is doing worse. Plus Obama was called a crackhead and other things of racist overtones on fox news. It's still gone? I once again never said all white people are evil. You are making such claims. Those successful minorities are buffers to keep them from seeming racist from all the crap they spew regularly.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "Just because there are a few successful black people doesn't mean racism is dead and gone." Wow, black people succeed and you dismiss their success. And then you condemn me for being "racist' when I talk about those that don't succeed. So, when I acknowledge successful blacks, I'm denying racism. When I talk about unsuccessful blacks, I'm being "racist." How convenient that no matter what your opponents say, they're racists.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 Nice try. Is this an overwhelming amount or a few. success is measured by qauntity not just a few token individuals. You never acknowledged successful blacks, I did. You claimed racism can't exist anymore because a few people of a race are successful.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "success is measured by qauntity not just a few token individuals." Really? So why are those token individuals not also oppressed. Did these evil whites just forget to oppress them? Are racists really incompetent, and if so, why can't blacks overcome these allegedly evil whites? And why do you insist that whites must be responsible for all those that do fail? Is it because they are inferior and naturally inclined to do evil? Why then must you insist they shoulder all blame?
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 " I once again never said all white people are evil." I never said all blacks were failures. YOU ARE MAKING SUCH CLAIMS. If you don't like it, why do you do it? Look, asshole, you will get back here what you dish out. If you don't like it, extend me some respect and stop misquoting me.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 If you don't like it, why do you do it? Look, asshole, you will get back here what you dish out. If you don't like it, extend me some respect and stop misquoting me. - I never misquoted you. You are taking back statements. If you can't take it, don't say it. Because i clearly can do what you are doing and selectively say you are lying about what I said, but i have integrity.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "You are taking back statements." No, I'm not. I have a whole series of videos talking about my core principles to demonstrate the consistency of my ideas. Would you like me to send them to you? You can see for yourself that all my ideas are based on sound reasoning, and unlike you black bigots, I don't resort to hypocrisy, double standards, and circular logic to defend my ideas in a debate. Just let me know, I'll send them to you.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "That's what the news and media wants you to think." So, facts are racist? Oooh, I get it. Anything that black people don't like is racist. So, statistical data, even with solid citations and methodologies, is racist if black people don't like what it says. I see. So, being a victim of racism means experiencing things in life you don't like. Wow, those poor helpless black people. How could anyone not feel sorry for them?
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 How's the media accurate portrayal? they seek out to report stories about crime purposefully, and typically use black criminals. Which people take as a representation of the whole race. That fair? especially for people who don't participate in such activity? Once again, inbox me your data. I can send you some of mine.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "they seek out to report stories about crime purposefully" Yes, and interestingly, when those news stories are about white on black violence, the race angel is MAJORLY played up. When it's black on white violence, they won't even mention the race of the perpetrators, like as in the flash mobs of black racists targeting whites for violence, among other cases. Why should black on white violence get such a pass? Are blacks superior to whites, you think?
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "To say you must agree with me or your racist is ridiculous" But you said I was racist, did you not. Did I burn a cross in someone's yard? No. Did I lynch anyone? Nope. Did I suggest blacks are incapable of succeeding? Nope. I argue quite the opposite. You can pretend you didn't label me a racist because I don't agree with Wise all you want. But it's painfully obvious that is the case. If not, what PRECISELY makes me a racist. Explain it to me.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 You act certain statements you make isn't at all offensive or prejudiced. So statement like most criminals are black, blacks do bad in school because they're not held accountable, whites invented everything, and Tim wise being like a Nazi isn't racist? That makes you a racist I'm not labeling you. Because you didn't hurt or harass someone legally doesn't make you exempt from being prejudiced.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "You act certain statements you make isn't at all offensive or prejudiced. " And you do the same, buddy! Get the fuck over yourself. You make all kinds of statements about how the white race enjoys such privilege and wealth from a bunch of evil acts committed long ago. WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO MAKE SUCH HATEFUL STATEMENTS ABOUT WHITES AND THEN THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE IMMUNE TO THE SAME? Who the fuck gave you THAT privilege?
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 lol no need to write in caps are you a child? You once again avoided my statement by throwing insults. Guess someone isn't holding "personal accountability". the evil acts long ago did benefit whites because it was a system set for whites only. They're hateful words or the truth? Yes or no? i'm not immune to criticism but apparently you act as if you are.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 So, in other words, you are saying that all whites should be judged based on crimes committed long ago by other people who happened to share that skin color. Yes, you are a bigot. Yes, you hate white people. Yes you are in denial about your own racial bigotry. And you want to tell me all about what it's like to be white while being immune to any questions about that or what it's like to be black. Babbling, racist, hypocrite. Nothing more.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 I'm in just as much denial as you are, to be fair. I'm a babling hypocrite yet you can't honestly say much about that on my statements. i never said whites should take the blame for the past, but awareness of it's existence would be nice. You never asked questions just babbled on about personal opinions,statements, and ridicule. who's the hypocrite?
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "i never said whites should take the blame for the past," You have CONSISTENTLY argued that they are responsible for black people's problems, and denied any data showing otherwise. Like how you had to rationalize why African immigrants do so well. You couldn't believe it's because their attitudes are better. Nope, whites are still evil and blacks are not responsible for their failures. Those evil whites are. Then, you pretend this isn't racism? Astounding.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Why do you think black people deserve never to have a single negative opinion expressed about them, even if it's based on factual statistics, but you and other bigots, like Wise, can say the most hateful things about white people? Seriously! You will sit here and defend Wise, who once said that throughout history all evil acts were committed by white males among many other hateful statements. If you don't like your medicine, don't fucking dish it out!
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 time wise is by no means a bigot. he is very realistic about the reality of racial oppression in america, backing it up by fact upon fact. blacks have plenty of room to criticize the white power structure in this country. black and white are not on an even playing field in america. it is as like asking the oppressed how they feel about the oppressor.
MSENTERTAINMENT1234 2 months ago
@MSENTERTAINMENT1234 "time wise is by no means a bigot. " Yes, he is. And so are you.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 Seriously! You will sit here and defend Wise, who once said that throughout history all evil acts were committed by white males among many other hateful statements. If you don't like your medicine, don't fucking dish it out!- It's ironic that you think I can't handle anything but you obviously can't handle your faults being pointed out at all. those opinions are just that, and are based on propaganda not on any studies or facts. I'm clearly not a bigot, you are.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "can't handle your faults" My faults? Oooh, that would be the one about me having white skin, right? Oh, my horrible bad-color fault. You are a bigot. A hateful bigot in denial about your own racism.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@kkilo34 I never have said or say hateful things about white people. You can't really prove that, or say that I have said those things you just claim I do. You obviously don't think history is important or made just to hurt the feelings of whites which it isn't. it's a learning tool to keep history from repeating itself.
acidsprinkle5950 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "I never have said or say hateful things about white people. " When you insist they cause blacks' problems, you are saying hateful things about them. Yes, you give a pass to "good whites," which are the ones that agree with you. The rest of us are "racists" and cause blacks to be less prosperous. You only care about history because it's a good way to demonize whites, the way a white racist uses crime statistics to demonize blacks. All you racist love to do that.
kkilo34 1 month ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Why are you defending against the notion blacks are racists, when I CLEARLY stated they weren't? Are you not following the conversation? And you don't think it's insensitive of Wise to claim that whites somehow profit from evil committed long ago? How is that different from assuming that a wealthy black man must be a drug dealer? Fact is, you defend anti-white bigotry, because you believe sensitivity is challenging your hateful dogma.
kkilo34 2 months ago
@kkilo34 So Black people are racist for saying they're unfairly profiled? Not that it's unfairly happening or the crack epidemic in the 80s set harder laws for owning crack vs. cocaine which wasn't changed for years? yes I am following the conversation. So actually the fact that Europeans stole land from Native Americans and set on eradicating as many as possible didn't happen? they just earned the land? I definitely don't defend bigotry.
acidsprinkle5950 2 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 And furthermore, let me ask you a simple question. If racism of the past created wealth that sustains whites' higher rates of wealth today, why are states that were part of the confederacy where slavery was practiced and where the most racist divisions were found the poorest today? Wouldn't those states be the wealthiest if racist actions like slavery produce wealth for centuries for those who practice it? A little strange, don't you think?
kkilo34 2 months ago