Pope will grant "plenary indulgence" for those attending WYD Madrid 2011

[EL1ZABETH76]

THE POPE IS THE MESSENGER OF GOD HE BRINGS PEACE TO ALL. QUE VIVA EL PAPA!!!! I DNT CARE WHERE HE LIVES WHAT HE EATS WHERE HE TRAVELS ALL I CARE IS THAT HE IS ARE HOLY FATHER AND SEEING HIM IS SEEING GOD ALLELUIA!!!!!

[qortin]

i am sick of the lies and hypocracy

[JebelUcapKrong]

bammbamm12

Oh, grow up!

[JebelUcapKrong]

bammbamm12

Don't let them frighten you. Seriously. Blindly accepting what the church spoon-feeds you 'just in case' is precisely what's kept the bunch of crooks so rich and powerful for the past two millennia. It's all smoke and mirrors designed to keep you in your place and them in the driving seat. Just watch the video again. 'Plenary indulgence'? Come on! It's laughable nonsense made up by a bunch of old men who know the value of keeping people like you in a constant state of awe and fear.

[bammbamm12]

@JebelUcapKrong - yes. This is what the devil told Eve. God wants to keep you in the dark - take a bite!! This is an old tale buddy - play this on the kiddies, not me.

[JebelUcapKrong]

@bammbamm12

Adam? Eve? Devils? Serpents? They really have got inside your head, haven't they? I know you probably think I'm an agent of satan or some such rubbish, but I'm not. I'm just somebody who's seen through the indoctrination and the lies. And when you see it for what it really is - how insane, how downright wrong the whole charade really is - it makes me incredibly sad and angry that they still abuse people like you so you willingly keep charlatans like them in their power and authority.

[bammbamm12]

@JebelUcapKrong - Thank you for your consideration. But when you see the Devil, and you shall, you'll wonder why you thought bammbamm was someone to be pitied.

[JebelUcapKrong]

@bammbamm12

If you're happy believing in fairy stories, go right ahead - it's your life that's been hijacked. As for seeing some fictitious character called the devil, I'll be sure to tell him bammbamm12 says hi right after I've had a chat with Santa Claus, Jack Frost and the Grim Reaper.

[soccerballs543]

Viva la Papa!!!

[JebelUcapKrong]

What a crock of mumbo-jumbo! I just don't get how in this day and age people can still actually believe that such a blatant load of superstitious twaddle is somehow true. It's madness.

[bammbamm12]

@JebelUcapKrong - but if you're wrong, then you're the madman. You at least have to admit that.

[TheChurchAuthentic]

May God grant our Catholic youth strength and a renewal of their holy faith!

[RedJoker]

@MrVuittonLouis

Suck my dick radical asshole

[RedJoker]

Fuck the church and fuck the pope

[qortin]

pope using his magic powers .... damn I cant believe that people still fall for this shit..... teaching humility from a palace.

[bammbamm12]

@qortin - time will tell. Are you ready for the avalanche that will fall upon you?

[bammbamm12]

@qortin - Well pat yourself on the back, oh enlightened one, for not being fooled by anyone except yourself.

[macman1252]

The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus, the Orthodox church split from us in 1054 which is the reson why they don't have anyone in the seat of St. Peter

[TheChurchAuthentic]

Long live the Pope!

[RedJoker]

@TheChurchAuthentic

Long live stupidity ....

[antropophil]

If you believe in papal infallibility, you shouldn’t believe in history, because it shows that popes were everything but infallible.

[bammbamm12]

@antropophil - So you shouldn't believe in the gospels because they were written by men who sinned. Don't talk about Papal infallibility unless you know what it means.

[antropophil]

@bammbamm12 I know what it means, but even by that standard, there were not infallible. Their "ex catedra" statments contradicted one another and even more the Bible.

[bammbamm12]

@antropophil - The Church cannot contradict the Bible. The Church created the Bible, and the Church solely defines and inteprets it. 2. Where have ex-cathedra statements contradicted one another?

[antropophil]

@bammbamm12 The church didn't exist as the Old Testament was created. Even the New Testament wasn't created by the church. Apostles wrote it, and cahtolic church merely recognized its authencity. But the same church does contradict the word of God in many cases. What about idol worship? What about selling indulgences, which was a common practice? What about torturing mostly innocent people, when Jesus said "love your enemies"?

[bammbamm12]

@antropophil - Whatsoever you bind on earth is bound in Heaven. Why do you lack the faith to take Jesus for His word? Make up your own religion - I can't stop you - but you'll end up in Hell.

[antropophil]

@bammbamm12 Catholic church doesn't have anything to do with Jesus' promise with binding on Earth. It is said for those who are true followers of Jesus, who take Him by His word in everything else as well. Apostle Paul spoke about apostasy, coming after his days. That's where I see the papal system.

[bammbamm12]

@antropophil - You are not a Christian. Read the end of John 6. Many of Jesus' disciples "walked with Him no more", because He said that unless you eat His body and drink His blood you cannot gain eternal life. You're one of them. You don't believe it. You would have walked away with the group. Call yourself a respecter of Jesus, or whatever you want. But for the sake of truth, do not call yourself a Christian, you deserter!

[bammbamm12]

@antropophil - Before you start accusing Catholics of contradicting the Bible, you may first need to explain why you tore 7 books out of the Bible. Those 7 books were in the Septuagint, the Vulgate, the Greek Orthodox Bible, The Gutenberg Bible (the first Bible ever printed), and the original KJV. But you threw them out. What do you think lays in store for you? Who on earth do you think you are that you can throw out 7 books. Think hard, because right now, you're condemned.

[antropophil]

@bammbamm12 BTW, every pope during the Dark Ages gave his blessing to "holy" inquisition! Is that not contradicting the Bible?

[bammbamm12]

@antropophil - you know nothing. I'll give you a clue. Moses conducted inquisitions. Did Moses contradict the bible? Jesus was brought before the Sanhendrin. That was also an inquisition. Did Jesus comment on the validity of theproceedings? Finally, the Inquisition was directed against Catholics alone. Betcha didn't know that, Old Testament prophet. PS - The Dark Ages were long gone before the Inquisition began.

[antropophil]

@bammbamm12 Nonsense! Moses conducted inquisitions, but they were human and if somebody was guilty, since it was a theocratic state, he would be quickly killed. But the disgusting practice of torturing people in so many cruel ways was never practiced by any man of God! I could say more, but for thinking people this should be enough!

[bammbamm12]

@antropophil - You know nothing about the Inquisition. You've never read a single book about it. You don't even know who the Inquisition targeted.

[antropophil]

@bammbamm12 And don't you worry about me burning in hell. Rather, take heed that you don't be there, since you are exchangin the Word of God for traditions of men, which Jesus forbid!

[bammbamm12]

@antropophil - this is where you contradict yourself. I am going to put a quick end to your false religion. Tell me, what must a man do to be saved, and then what must he do to lose that salvation?

[MrRocha90]

Amazing! Thank you Holy Father! God Bless!

[mishakol129]

@MrRocha90 Only Jesus has the power to remit the sins of men. Not the Pope. The Pope is not Jesus.

This is a bit antichrist don't you think?

[craventref]

@mishakol129 Christ instructed the Church to preach everything he taught (Matt. 28:19–20) and promised the protection of the Holy Spirit to "guide you into all the truth" (John 16:13). That mandate and that promise guarantee the Church will never fall away from his teachings (Matt. 16:18, 1 Tim. 3:15), even if individual Catholics might.

[mishakol129]

@craventref Yes but ONLY Jesus Christ can forgive sins. See, this is where the West has fallen short of the Faith. They have elevated the Pope (who is just a man), to the status of Jesus Christ. This is antichrist (which means "in the place of Christ"). NEVER did the ancient Church Fathers grant indulgences to the members of the Church, this is only an invention of heretical Roman Catholic bishops who departed from True Eastern Orthodoxy in 1054. The RCC was only establish in 1054. Look it up.

[MrRocha90]

@mishakol129 Wow....I can't believe you had to bring your Protestant nonsense to this page. First of all, we Catholics believe in 'Papal Infabiliy"...which means the Pope is the highest say of the church....on EARTH. Yes, Jesus has the power to remit sins of men, BUT he gave the power to forgive sins to Priests. The church does have the authority to forgive sins and grant indulgences. Jesus Christ gave that power to his TRUE church. The holy Roman Catholic Church. Craventref cleared my point.

[mishakol129]

@MrRocha90 I'm not Protestant, I am Eastern Orthodox. We are the True Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church was established in 1054, and since then, it has created more and more heresies and schisms (Protestantism) because of its audacious Papal Infallibility, which was never even been used by the True Orthodox Catholic Church until the heretical Roman bishops, a little before 1054, started to usurp the power over the Church and created Schisms and Divisions through their lust for power.

[MrRocha90]

@mishakol129 No, the Catholic church was founded my JESUS himself!...and was officially established on Pentecost! We're the ones who kept the bible as it is. While everyone else took the nine books out (aka Apocrypha). Catholics & Orthodox aren't really that different. I'm sure we can all agree that Jesus DID NOT found Protestantism. As for our 2 religious, we're closer to each other than the other ones. We're all brothers and sisters in Christ.

[mishakol129]

@MrRocha90 That's all true, but the Eastern Orthodox Church is the true Church because it has never altered the teachings of the 7 Ecumenical Councils like the Pope did. That is why it is called "ORTHODOX", because it adhered to the Ecumenical Councils of the Church, not to the Pope of Rome.

The Roman Catholic Church established itself in 1054 AD, that was when the great East-West Schism took place. It was all because the Roman bishops wanted to keep their non-Orthodox Filioque in the Creed.

[bammbamm12]

@mishakol129 - what a laugh. That's like saying the US separated from Long Island. The chair of Peter defines the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

[mishakol129]

@bammbamm12 The chair of Peter is not an ancient teaching of Christian Tradition. The Pentarchy was supposed to be the ruler of the Church. Do you know what a Pentarchy is?

[bammbamm12]

@mishakol129 - The Chair of Peter is as ancient as you can get. Don't get me into this. I'm sick of the Orthodox arguments. You've got your divorce and birth control. Have fun.

[mishakol129]

@bammbamm12 No its not. It wasn't until 1054 that the Roman Seat was established. Don't give me that.

[bammbamm12]

@mishakol129 - I don't argue with fools. If it makes you happy deny that Rome even exists. I don't give a shit.

[mishakol129]

@bammbamm12 Uhmmmm. I don't think your being very courteous in this conversation. If this is the way that all Catholics act then maybe the Protestants were right when they said that the Roman Church is the "Whore of Babylon".

[bammbamm12]

@mishakol129 - The Protestants are in the dustbin of history. Thanks for all the good work you did converting the Moslems and keeping Christians safe in your part of the world.

[qortin]

@bammbamm12 What avalanche will fall upon me??? if f you are truly a christian than you are on the wrong side. Christians claim to be the cult of the compassionate and of those who forgive while those on the side of Satan preach that one should follow his natural instincts of vendetta and suttle threats. With all due respect but it seems you fit with the latter group.

[bammbamm12]

@qortin - I have no interest in deciphering this incoherent knot you threw at me. Learn how to convey your thoughts. Learn how to spell. And shutup for awhile.

[400freedom1]

@mishakol129 Hello? An indulgence has only to do with temporal punishment, and can never remit sin. Like when King David had already been forgiven by God, yet his son still had to die.

You say that Catholicism is in error...but your faith does not win by default, just as Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, all read the bible came to different conclusions and condemned eachother...there are tens of thousands of "Christians" who still call your faith unbiblical, and you have no good reason to believe it is

[antropophil]

@400freedom1 Are you trying to say that if the pope had forgiven David, the temporal punishment (death of his son) wouldn't have occurred?

What about popes condemning each other, cursing their predecessors etc? The Bible is the only sure foundation for our faith. Let's read it, - all of us!

[400freedom1]

@antropophil Yes, the Catholic Church says the Bible proves their faith. So do the Lutherans, the Calvanists, JW, the Mormons, etc etc

They all say they are "let by the spirit"

They all say "by their fruits you shall know them"

And here is the kicker...they all say that the others are unbiblical, and condemn them...

You better find out what Christians believed for the almost 400 years before the Catholic Church canonized the "New Testament"...

for the 1500 years before the printing press...

[antropophil]

@400freedom1 What first Christians believed is best to be found in the Bible. However, already in first centuries the pure teaching of the Bible was perverted (under the influence of paganism and gnosticim), so it is not important what someone believed or very often was forced to believe, but rather what the Lord Jesus taught!

[400freedom1]

@antropophil Sounds great Phil. Problem is, like I said, that is what Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, etc, etc, etc all say and condemn eachother... you got nothing

[CatholicCreed]

@antropophil Matt 23:2 - Christ relies on the oral tradition of acknowledging Moses' seat of authority (which passed from Moses to Joshua to the Sanhedrin). This is not recorded in the OT sooo......in other words.....Oral (now papal) teaching.....is used by Jesus himself

[antropophil]

@CatholicCreed Jesus said that scribes took Moses' position, but he didn't agree with everything they were saying or doing. Who is to tell which parts of tradition are to be accepted and which are to be rejected? Some contradict each other. Tradition often contradicts the Bible. It is not reliable. I reject it and and accept only the Bible as the creed of my faith!

[CatholicCreed]

@antropophil I would Say Jesus is, i mean the whole "hes god" thing? And he Passes down his position as leader of the church to Peter, 265 Popes Later we have Benedict.

You use the Bible and intemperate how YOU like, but we read it and intemperate as GOD likes.

No single uneducated man can draw the 100% correct bible, this is why we have the Pope, a highly educated man guided by god.

[bammbamm12]

@antropophil - What you mean is, you only accept yourself. Because there have been 40,000 Protestant sects all claiming to interpret the Bible correctly. So stop cloaking yourself in the Bible. You're merely saying, "I'll do whatever I decide the Bible is telling me." For my part, I should not believe the gospel except moved by the authority of the Catholic Church. Augustine (Against the Epistle of Manichaeus 5, 6; NPNF 1, Vol. IV, 131)

[bammbamm12]

@antropophil - but the Church was already in every country in the known world before the Bible "came out". Jesus told His apostles to preach to all nations, telling them "everything I have told you". Why would anyone assume that everything Jesus told them was recorded in scripture? It's an assumption that has no support.

[mishakol129]

@400freedom1 "Temporal Punishment"?.. Listen, Roman Catholicism was created in 1054 AD. I am a member of the True Catholic Church which was establish by Jesus Christ in 33 AD. This is the Church of the East, the Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church.

Its a fact that the Roman Catholic Church was only created at 1054 AD, just know your history lessons. This proves that it is not the True Church.

[an0nim0uz]

@LionSitter Thanks bb, you know I love you.

[an0nim0uz]

Thanks for that plenary indulgence, pope.

Fucking insane bullshit.

[bammbamm12]

@an0nim0uz - Jealous?

[an0nim0uz]

@bammbamm12 Of an old fart who wished he had the power he used to have, who's also the boss of an organization that protects child molesters?

Nah bro, not really.

[bammbamm12]

@an0nim0uz - If he protected child molesters then he would be arrested by civil authorities. How come this hasn't happened? Don't answer that. I'll answer it. Because the charge was made up by little roaches like you, and has no substance.

[an0nim0uz]

@bammbamm12 Cool story, bro. Tell me more about it.

[bammbamm12]

@an0nim0uz - Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

[an0nim0uz]

@bammbamm12 Do you?

[bammbamm12]

@an0nim0uz - I asked you first.

[an0nim0uz]

@bammbamm12 Clearly, we've reached a dead end here.

[bammbamm12]

@an0nim0uz - Right. And you posted the sign.

[an0nim0uz]

@bammbamm12 I find myself appalled at your mindless accusations, sir.

[bammbamm12]

@an0nim0uz - don't let it get to ya. When you find out there is a God, you'll be appalled at your stupidity.

[an0nim0uz]

@bammbamm12 Highly unlikely.

Should you meet your buddy Jesus one day, though, tell him he owes me 5 bucks.

I'll be waiting downstairs.

[bammbamm12]

@an0nim0uz - Will do. No hard feelings?

[an0nim0uz]

@bammbamm12 Of course not.

[cunjoz]

why quotes?