Stone roses blood on the turntable documentary 1/6

[TheKarladu03]

the second coming was not a bad album it just never lived up to the expectations, that's all, it was a decent album

[greigmn]

Evans is still a prick

[skawashers]

I think far more Kids Picked up Guitars after hearing Nirvana than they did with Stone Roses. so hardly most Influential Guitar band. Infact more kids wanted to Neck Es with the sound of the roses playing in the background. Than to learn 3 Chords

[balearicsoundwave89]

@skawashers yeah right mate.nirvana,over rated hippies,hyped to fuck by a bored nme,terrible band.

[moewishaw]

wow my family live like 5 mins from the national at 8.22.

[notdrivingaminimetro]

Gareth Evans is a compulsive liar

[BlackHoleSun1921]

STONE ROSES ARE REUNITING, and Gareth Evans has nothing to do with it. FUCK YOU, EVANS!

[TheShakiebreaks]

fuck off evans u self rightous cunt.

[Kallytom]

Did gareth evans just claim he was a model?? if he's a model im fucking brad pitt!!!

[AstorreHerrera]

I still need the name of the first song.

[PAFCdave]

@AstorreHerrera Fools gold

[AstorreHerrera]

@PAFCdave Thanks. I was a fool for not noticing. I din't figure out until I downloaded their music, wich I never favor but I'ts virtully Impossible to buy a Stone Roses album in Venezuela. Still, Love spreads anywhere.

[AstorreHerrera]

What's the name of the first song?

[soundofisisofficial]

'I'm a fucking good manager, I'm a genius, I'm the best' hahahaha

[mogy71]

WTF with that manager ???....best blow dryer indeed....

[Allrightteam]

@saracen09767 Sorry, I'll keep my "years" open from now on.

[AdAmBrOpHy]

tht gary is a nob ed when he talks its like he has been rehersing a script, he looks like he is acting in a film or summet wat a tool

[drdethdefy]

Good to know that they dont even like Manchester.

[MountErrigal]

First time seeing this. I am excited, but would thought I would pause it and just say that the manager comes off as aPRICK.

[Kelly14UK]

@MountErrigal Of course! Because of him, we only had about 20 or 30 Roses songs to listen to. And he wanted MORE money at the end?

[seerymseery]

the second coming is amazing, just needs more musical intelligence to hear it...

[TheJimFoster]

The second coming isn't that bad. It's just that were away for 4 1/2 years. In that time we had shoegazer, grunge, trip-hop and then britpop.

By December 1994 Oasis had taken their crown. The Stone Roses were just another band.

[Allrightteam]

Bigger than the Beatles? The Beatles had more than 2 hits....

[hoppybhoy71]

@Allrightteam yes but no beatles album can touch the roses debut apart from revolver which is a classic,the stone roses will be remembered forever,doesnt matter about hits.it was their legacy and what could have been,and probs started one of the biggest youth cultures since the sixties in britain,with the help of acid house i suppose.

[flippinflapjacks07]

Gareth Evans.........Asshole.

[odsall]

Piss in his grave!!!!!!Quality

[jimmynettles]

this focuses way way too much on this bullshit fuckin knob manager.

[muttilo]

What year did this air ?

[MrStonecold69]

look up the word

"UBERCUNT"

In the dictionary

yes, that is

a picture of

Gareth Evans

beside the

description

[Chrisruleshughes]

WHO GOT THE STONE ROSES THE PUBLICITY? RIGHT SHUT UP CASE CLOSED.

[Dbusdriver71]

EVERYTIME I hear Gareth Evans say he's the best I want to shoot him in the ass. Who in their right f*ck*n mind has a band sign a contract that includes 7 albums?! Then he says he knew he could get out of it because it was a bad deal?! And besides, The Stone Roses tunes got them gigs, not you Gareth Evans. Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back Gareth Evan, YOU SUCK!

[muttilo]

Intersesting to hear Saun Ryder acknowledging the Commericial side , which to my utter dismay is more well known here in the US . Most indie guys wouldn't acknowledge Manachesters more commercially known acts , mostly for obvious reasons . Anyhow YOU GO SHAUN RYDER ! Good Doc Thanks

[muttilo]

Great to hear the Kinks ! Perfect song for the subject lol !!

[Rob1973Monkey]

Gareth Evans....."I'm a Genius. I'm the best"....yeah, right....how to talk yourself up your own arse while on TV.

[jataylorlfc]

evans really loves to whip that annoying scarf around

[sugarraygras]

Noel Gallagher is shooting straight,as always.

[ianbrownshairdo]

Gareth Evans, what a cunt.

[apportksmk]

I Watch all my Episodes-HD TV[.]Usnetxxx[.]com

[Fenderkicksass]

GOD I hate Turks.

[Maguirearch]

Andy Couzens was he not the Bassist ?

[Lukith66]

@Maguirearch nah, ex-guitarist.

Mani was the bassist

[desasterz]

The music buisness is at it's worst these days if you ask me. It's all about money, they treat bands like chickens. It's like known to be bad too and is just accepted as normal. Bands being told not to take it seriously, no matter how much blood and sweat is put into their music.

The Parisians and Dirty Jacket diserve a record deal even if they don't have the sound of the moment. The sound of the moment isn't as important as these two bands...

[fastertortoise2]

simply red are simply shite

[paulieh24]

someone button that managers trap

[fuckclearchannel]

Dear Noel,

Do you see the irony of criticizing Factory for being arty, whilst being influenced by a guy who's partially a poet and whose lyrics are analyzed? Someone let me know if I'm right or if Noel's statement went over my head.

Sincerely,

A fan

[WizLaudan73]

Looking back now its easy to see how good the second coming really was. After such a good first album what ever they released was gonna struggle to compare. I love the roses and nothing has come close ever since. How cool did they look the first time i saw them on TV man. I feel sorry for the kids these days who have to put up with shite like N-Dubz and all that crap.

[ABITTERSWEETGIRL]

@WizLaudan73 .. so true, ive been playing that album non stop for the last few weeks, it was quality.. great songs on it..class..

[jamgeorgie]

5:40 Amazing Kinks song!!!

[zangeejoe]

do people really think the second comeing is shit?? im sick of tht fag mag nme saying its shit...an tht other travis pop loveing mag Q..the first album is classic..but second comeing is up beside it.. breaking in to heaven, love spreads tightrope..ten story love song, fuck off its classic..all u have to do is look at the state of music today to realize wot a classic band they where.

[bigshotbaby17]

Second Coming is a great record. My only prob with it at times is too much of a cocaine influence on the guitars. But it is a great album, man. It's a shame we never got to hear the music we missed from 90-94.

[zangeejoe]

ah yea i agree.the legal shit fucked them up too many years inbetween albums sitting around snorting waffle dust, some more so then others i.e john squire.. i just put tht question up bout second comeing,cause anybody i know loves tht album,but the press always slateing it.. anyway n.m.e and Q are dogshit.. who gives fuck wot they think....

[sacredo07]

Absolutley man, the Roses had really found the groove by Second coming and Squires guitar's are a gas!

[pedrocks123]

@zangeejoe Totally agree mate. I prefer the first album but second coming is still awesome.

What would Q magazine know anyway? I haven't bought that magazine for years and I won't do ever again especially now I noticed in the past recent months they've had people like Cheryl Cole & Lady Gaga on the front cover. What the fuck!

[jonnytheoasisfan]

@zangeejoe It aint shit but its problem(for many people in britpop-mainstream) is that isnt classic stone roses sound and that way nothing like Manchester sound used to be.. Reni dont do his usual beat there and its gone very Zeppelin.. I dont see that as problem cos I dont compare albums but thats why they think its shit.. :))

[robjapan]

@zangeejoe fucking well said mate!! I love both albums but IMHO second coming was the better of the two, it was ahead of its time and it lead the way for guitar driven music otherwise known as britpop to rule for the majority of the 90s.

[rebelbhoy1888]

@zangeejoe

I think it ranks as a truelyy fuckin amazin album. People who say otherwise must be off there tits

[mrmrscosanostra]

@zangeejoe overall, its poor. ten storey is great..the rest is too soon a dance full on fusion, driven by coke and the ego of squire(genius, in my opinion). reni leaving killed them. fuck the nme, im telling you...its a bit wank.

[Criddington]

@zangeejoe Second Coming is great album; it's only disliked because it's not a carbon copy of the first one - Tears, Break Into Heaven, Ten Storey Love Song, Love Speads are genial :D

[Mozzer232]

@zangeejoe The Second Coming was dissapointing. But no, it was hardly shit. It's a good record, and I still listen to it today. I think people just hated so much for several factors: The wait. It was a different record. And expectations that the band would once again put out the greatest album ever. If the listener just listens to it for what it is, they should enjoy it.

[drdethdefy]

@zangeejoe i agree. I liked stone roses but when i was a little kid sceond coming was what got me hooked on then. Im not saying its better but its by no means a bad album

[delaffan]

@zangeejoe second coming great great album,timeless stuff.

[rebelbhoy1888]

@zangeejoe

Well said m8

I been sayin the same thing for years man.

[daveniner]

@zangeejoe I fully agree. The first album is a classic, but second coming is still very very good.

[samhain66]

@zangeejoe Its a great album, I wouldn't take too much notice of the NME, they have a track record of missing the boat and then slandering anything that doesn't fit their narrow view of what music should be. They have had some great writers but they also have a lot of bitter failed musicians who want to be the musical Hunter D Thompson but end being more like Emma Thompson with a grudge. .

Gareth Evans us indeed a sleazy liar, well he was when I met him.

[dih1979]

@zangeejoe  anything the roses do will be good end of!!!

[Poppycockify]

gareth evans: what a plonker!

[xxxsebastian]

the manager was and is and asshole.they could be much bigger .long live the roses

[smiley19881999]

musically......they were superior to the beatles

[parkovanbasten]

Evans is quite a character, LMFAO @ Mani's face when he's told Evans gave them their dress sense

[foook111]

Some twat's always got to mention the fucking Beatles. Look The Stone Roses are in their own league. Two acclaimed albums, the George Best of rock n roll.

One of the best band's in the world.

[xxxsebastian]

ian brown would be the first to say than the beatles are greater than the stone roses.dont get me wrong i love the stone roses i have the two albums and i love ian brown solo.

[foook111]

@xxxsebastian Your such an idiot, I never said The Stone roses were greater than The Beatles, I just said how good The Stone roses were

[xxxsebastian]

jajajajaj bigger than the beatles ,really funny.i love the r5oses but they are no bigger than the beatles

[thomasortmann1991]

@xxxsebastian

Same here. Love them, one of the best bands ever. But still no beatles. If they had made 5 albums like their first they would have been bigger than the beatles.

[NoZenIsZen]

A manager takes responsibility for a band, helping them and gives them direction and not a dead end. He's just capitalist scum. Shame that Marcus Russell was not in sight, cause that's a good manager. I dedicate Oasis' Up In The Sky to that pig for ruining one of my fav' bands.

[thetruthgenie]

The manager definately was the reason they collapsed and did n't have at least one more big record after the first.! Stupid Bastard!

[ciarankeavney]

STRETFORD!!!!!

[UltimateVenom]

repping stretford/hulme

[desasterz]

Sometimes i wonder if Managers sometimes do it on purpous to be the nasty ones in stories... Get attention

Mc Claren is the worst manager ever!!! I dont even think he did his job... did he help with gig booking? Ok, a fiew words of advice near the begining, but what he really was just trying to take te CBGB's and Iggy Pop cene and claim he invented it with "his cration" All the clothes he made were stolen from Richard Hell and J Thunders anyway, weras the Pistols were trying to make a point

[quancy1]

what a terrible cunt you are evans,in the words of john lennon,"how do you sleep?"

[toryglenlad1234]

this guy could have went down in history with the spike island gig but scrimped abit on the back up bands. wot a plonker he is.

[davelovesmusic85]

is there anywhere to download this??????????

[ezelite]

Inspirational....Im looking for a bent manager to get me where i need to be. Seriously, being goods just not enough....

[keflar5]

withing 5 seconds of that manager bullshitting i knew he was a cunt

[boomboxbadboy1]

@keflar5 i concur

[desasterz]

@keflar5 check out this guy Aaron. He had my band the Desasterz on his "rock your mind festival" bill, then when the bill was full, "bigger bands" came and put us on the "if a band droppes out" waiting list. Then we complained publicly and they told all the Middlesbrough promotion about us, (I bet he lied, but if they are alla s full of shit as him, he wouldn't have to). And worst of all, he said "if your band has never played a gig before, you must be bad. Are we bad? We have music on you tube.

[Mozzer232]

@keflar5 That manager is totally the real life David Brent!!! I find him absolutely hilarious until it hits me that he's real and had a huge part in the demise of what should've been the greatest band ever...

[DotsyOO7]

Shut up the Roses were great get over it now tere dead big dea, IB is better solo any ways.

[mandetlet]

that evens kunt stinks to high heavens high ranking freemason if you ask me..

[Njai74]

Evans should be force fed his own pancreas, then fuckin flayed alive!

A capatalist cunt of the highest order... I won't be far behind Mani when it comes tae pissin on his fuckin grave!

Fuckin hairdresser cunt!!!

[damopsda]

why mani?

[Njai74]

Did you watch the prog? If so you would have heard Mani sayin that he can't wait til that cunt (Evans) is dead so he can piss on his grave... hence! That answer yer Q?

[noels1eyebrow]

Yeah mate, he defo says 'we have us' , but his Mancunian accent makes it more ' we have uhhzzzzz'

[ramelow1970]

thanks again mate, that was really helpful. Sorry to bother you again, my english doesn't allow me to clear out some missing words, mancunian is painfully alien to my ears. if you'v got time:

44 scs;" I don't like the way it ended.

It was all messying...

..in the business of making music,

not in the business

of fucking ruining..." Messying??

2:19 "City Life who were the local writing factory, everybody..." writing?

5:56"Music promoter Gareth Evan's first... to business" What's in between?

tnx

[kingshahine]

44 secs- "i dont like the way it ended it was all messy. im in the business of making music, not in the business of ruining friendships."

2:19 it felt like the whole of manchester was pushing us out, we couldnt get any gigs

5:56- first foray into business had seen him take on and conquer the cutthroat world of hairdressing.

[busrider45cf44]

He may have worked harder than anyone but in this case the 'cure' was worse than the 'disease'.

[ramelow1970]

Guys what is the first band Shaun mentions at 7:26 I can't make it out.......

[noels1eyebrow]

He says .....Us....meaning the Mondays.

[ramelow1970]

thanks for your reply

To me it sounded something like "We had the Orders" perhaps referring to New Order

I'm posting English subtitles to this section, so I really need to be sure about it. But if you go for "us" I will no doubt put your version

[cheza224]

Happy Mondays

[ItsKL]

THIS BAND IS GETTING BACK TOGEHTER!!

[thehighkings]

no its not

[ItsKL]

:( ohh i tought ;(

[thehighkings]

afraid not! brown is too happy solo and squire's an artist now

[quatermas7]

i love vernon kaye narrating. really gives it some depth..

[carlos7217]

gareth was and proberly still is, but back in the day no one worked harder for the band than he,still a nob though..........

[momwentcrazy]

painfully cool? I'm not sure what they mean by that.

[braddylufc1993]

gareth evans is a cunt

[jcassidy98]

that hairdresser manager guy is a fukn tosser,wot a piece of shit

[Waterfall64]

Weirdly I live a four minute walk away from what used to be the International. Just moved here 3 weeks ago. It's still that Turkish food store, they've got the sign fixed now. It's in Longsight. Bizarre.

[delongebarker]

i find joy division somewhat dull.

but very oddly i also find it

inspriational and spine tingling.

is it just me or does the sight of mick hucknall, make you fucking sick.

long live the roses.

[oasis93madferit]

here mani hahaha .. cant wait to piss in his grave .. funny as fuck

[chrisjoneschrisjones]

two points-that Manni gut looks like a bit of a hassle to get on with whinging prick

-oasis are just a cover band really-i still like them but they dont really have an original bone in the band

at least the stone roses were original and fresh

[chrisjoneschrisjones]

also,that fucking dull noel gallagher with his 'refreshingly honest ' opinions just comes accross as being an annoying little nerdy bullshitting prick now to be honest.hes a has been -and a lot more of a has been than michael hutchence was by the way.he's a boring unoriginal has been.he hasnt broken any new ground or done anything original with the oasis music,hes just lived off his tiresome gobby routine and beatles rip off songs

[niallvan]

Don't remember asking your opinion.

Didn't ask you 'to be honest'.

Two sentences in and YOU sound dull.

Why dont ya go away and have a pee in your beer.

And drink it.

[chrisjoneschrisjones]

i dont remember that i was supposed to ask your opinion to be honest.

Your right though i can be exxtremely dull- a bit like you mr snooker man.

i will go away,i havent got any nice beer but ill have some nice herbal tea i think.i won't piss in it though-thats unhygienic

[1878EFC2008]

Ooooooooh controversial wee scamp aren;t you?

Grrrr!

[moreaxe]

oasis are not on the same planet as the roses although they both only released great debuts and collapsed the roses were a totally fresh original band that still sound amazing. oasis were not at all original but cleared the cobwebs and briefly shone. note i use the past tense for oasis they havent been of any importance since defmaybe

[NaserMestarihi]

I don't understand people like you. Definitely Maybe was a great record but Oasis have put out a shitload of solid material. I love their newer material in addition to the older stuff. And please refrain from replying by calling me a newbie or any silly term. I've been an Oasis fan since they came out.

[fugepoo]

Oasis are the best band in the world.

[jamesr1971]

Liam has based his whole act on Ian Brown and Noel wishes he could play guitar like John Squire.

[Portis1Luv]

I totally agree with you. Oasis are a cover band.

[ianbrownshairdo]

no tony wilson is he?

[konheeed]

this band influented oasis much

[desasterz]

they influenced Liam anyway

[ruiorange]

i agree with you and hate oasis.........fucking noel just suck ian brown's asshole.......

[barravelli]

Can't wait to piss on his grave! quality.

[jo7dan118]

hes like david brent

[JackM2409]

does anyone know the song there playing at the bit there playing live in 1985

[brincat93]

the first one is fall and the secord one is so young

[JackM2409]

soz its taken long 4 me to reply, thanks

m8

[1991noel]

Painfully cool Joy Division?

There shit!

Long live the roses.

[Ulmeyda08]

How are Joy Diivision shit? their one of the most important and best bands to ever exist.

[1991noel]

I just find their formula of a tremalo bassline & Ian's drab voice for everysong boring.

It floats some peoples boat but not mine man.

[zakdaviesa]

well fuck off then

[1991noel]

Handbagsmate.

I ent into one band, chill your beans

[xXlonemilkmanXx]

man this is prietty much my whole basis for my songs the bAsslines anyway

[Oscar301]

noel gallagher is a twat, but a fuckin loveable twat

[YouMadeMeMiss]

(thinks about Oscar31's comment) there are hundreds of different types of twat.

[kraftwerk456]

what's the name of the song at the beggining of the program.

[whattheholf91]

Fool's Gold.

C'mon, pretty much the Roses' most famous song?

[psj3809]

Its their most famous song ! I take it youre not a fan ! Shame on you !

[kraftwerk456]

my bad?

[mufc6899luhg]

'a cant wait to piss in his grave'. Mani is GOD

[kevindoo2007]

The Stone Roses are one of the greatest,Their debut album proves that,Without them there would be no Oasis or The Verve,Ian Brown is god

[1sdlqtjm]

ur right

[xxxsebastian]

yes but without the beatles there would no stone roses no oasis,blur,the verve ,etc

[congamario654]

yes there would have, do you know how the stone roses first thought to be a band? they were jamming at college in their dorm and ian actually played bass, he then tried singing and mani then got taken in to play bass. when they first made there demos they called themselves "The angry young teddy bears". this is ALL TRUE, dont believe me? download the stone rose 20th anniversary podcast on itunes and listen to it all. dont speak out your arse if you cant back yourself up :)

[theviker]

Funny how manchester is so proud of the Roses, and yet they turned their back on manchester. In the same way Lennon left Liverpool airport(now ironically John lennon aiport) and never came back

interesting

[clivetemple]

Who's hair did I cut?

Martin Buchan.

LOL

[kevindoo2007]

haha,what a loser

[joydivision808]

how can that cunt evans walk the streets of manchester without get a kicking is above me lol

[Chrisruleshughes]

cos like it or not... he helped to promote the roses on a BIG scale, who got em the deals, who did the flyers? who got em gigs? talent alone is FUCK ALL without the right promo n connection.

[theviker]

I agree, what a cock

[fiona1933]

1989 was the best year of my youth. Every day the news was amazing, Berlin Wall, etc, I fell in love, and we two would go to the International and International 2, see the New FADs, just driving round to check out the Strangeways riot was great. I well remember the Stone Roses graffiti, it was everywhere. My hometown, hippest in the world, and I was only 21. Wow it was top

[glennd4nz1g]

im jealous :~

[TheBrownEyedLady]

I am soooo jealous!!!! I am 21 now but I sooo wish I was 21 in the 89!!!...and I am neither english....oooo it's all wrong with mee!!! eheh!! I would have liked to see the stone roses live!

[TheBrownEyedLady]

I am soooo jealous!!!! I am 21 now but I sooo wish I was 21 in the 89!!!...and I am neither english....oooo it's all wrong with mee!!! eheh!! I would have liked to see the stone roses live!

[kevindoo2007]

i feel your pain,im 19 i wish i was 19 back then

[dommo808]

gareth shouldve stuck with the scissors and stabbed himself in the eye! lol

[ashworth9999]

The best band in the world EVER. No arguments.

[NAH1HODGE]

IT wud b gud 2 c IB N JS talkin in a REAL DOC.

[guitarskater11]

can you get this somewhere like buy it or something??

[Jonn3782001]

I love Noel's wit and observation on this. ''They all went to see films with subtitles''. Brilliant.

[spangla777]

Andrew loog oldham was a good manager

[fawcett05]

Could someone please tell me the name of the record at 5:38?

[AlexBlondie92]

the kinks - dedicated follower of fashion

[B1ggu5]

Dedicated Follower Of Fashion by The Kinks.

[Jonn3782001]

That manager is jumping on Noel Gallaghers bandwagaon to try and look cool. No.

[juck]

Danny fuck off Noel can say what he wants he's mint and deserves it.

[Bukem2]

I agree with Johnnystorm74, Gareth Evans is the biggest CUNT!!!!! What the fuck did he know? (Nothing)

[dannyhowell]

Why oh why do these documentaries have to wheel out old man Gallagher at evry avalible opportunity? I'm sick of looking at the twat. he talks sooooo much shit its frightening. Bigger than the Beatles? What a cunt!

[ddust102]

very fuckin dodgy people..

[RebeccaChambersBF]

much Love for Joy Divison