"What's [my] point"? Are you daft? Many sports cars today (Ferrari, etc.) have paddle shifters, which is no different (in terms of driving experience) than an auto with a manual valve body. Are you claiming that those are not sports cars?
"the fact that you think it is shows your ignorance to the term"
Reading disability alert #2. What I (or you) think should be in a sports car is irrelevant. The automotive world has already decided that Corvettes are sports cars in spite of your opinion.
@MaximRecoil you really are ignorant. the modern paddle shift gearboxes used in ferraris etc are much more than an auto box with a manual valve body. the speed of shifts along with throttle blips to match engine speed result in an involving driving experience. either way the point is that this corvette has an auto box! if you want to class the c4 as a sports car, you may as well suggest any car that has an aerodynamic body and a big engine is a sports car!
@thisissick22 An auto with a manual valve body allows full manual control of the transmission shifts, and there is no clutch pedal. That's the [i]exact[/i] same experience as you get with a paddle shifter, simple fellow.
And it has nothing to do with what *I* want to class the C4 as (there's that reading disability of yours again). All Corvettes are already classed as sports cars. You think this is debatable, when in reality, it is not. It was decided long ago.
@MaximRecoil you've obviously never driven a car with dsg/smg/f1 paddle shift, the revs are matched on down shifts and it is impossible to select an inappropriate gear. there is also launch control etc etc. totally different and much more advanced than a manual valve body. i think you will find that many class the c4 as more of a gt than a sports car, it has more gt qualities than sports car qualities.
@thisissick22 There are various paddle shifter implementations, some based on conventional autos and others based on conventional manuals. Also, they predate computer controls by a long shot. The thing they all have in common is: they allow manual shifts without a clutch pedal, the same as a normal auto with a manual valve body.
In any event, this transmission red herring of yours is irrelevant. Get back to me when you find some credible sources stating that Corvettes are not sports cars.
The C4 ZR-1 (the one that Lotus was involved with after being acquired by GM) was not only a sports car (as are all Corvettes), but it was a super car. It also came along 6 years later. You might as well suggest that the Ferrari F40's extreme performance means that the Ferrari 308 GTB is not a sports car.
BTW, one of the most famous sports cars ever, the classic Porsche 911, had handling that not everyone liked. Clarkson for example, hated them. They were still sports cars, obviously.
@MaximRecoil here we go again super cars now? the f40 was always what it was, it wasnt an improved version of another model,as the zr1 was. when the 911 was introduced, and in its earlier years it was, in terms of handling, superior to its peers, as are the modern versions. it may not have been easy to drive on the limit, but the communicative steering, along with other design features made it a true sports car. the same cannot be said of the c4. just look at the gearbox options, hardly sporty!
@thisissick22 Not that it matters, but substitute 288 GTO (based on the 308 GTB) for F40.
The 911 is rear-engined, and has always had crappy handling by some people's standards.
If you think there's an objective handling standard that cars must meet before they can be sports cars, then go ahead and post the standard. In reality, there is no such standard. The automotive world has long since decided that Corvettes are sports cars. Disagree if you want; it changes nothing. You're wrong.
@MaximRecoil welll i think you're wrong to describe this corvette as a sports car. with regard to handling and feel, i would take the consensus view of experts. that view suggests that the c4 does not handle well. it also does not have a sporty gearbox option (with most sold being auto). it looks like a sports car, but thats as close as it gets.
@thisissick22 The "consensus view of experts" is that Corvettes are sports cars, period. Even Clarkson called it a sports car, despite not liking it. Oh, and you have not established that there is a "[consensus] view [that] suggests that the c4 does not handle well" (not that it would change anything); that's just you blowing smoke.
The car was available with a manual transmission, not that it's relevant.
@MaximRecoil have you heard of sarcasm? for clarkson to describe it as a "sports" car, then go on to slate its handling, i think you're missing the point! lol it may have been available with a type of manual transmission, again, one unloved by experts.
@thisissick22 He called it a sports car because that's what it is. I'll repeat; *no one* disagrees that Corvettes are sport cars. There is dispute on how good of a sports car they are; but not a sports car at all? Well, that's just your little secret, remember?
The only thing he specifically criticized was the stiff suspension, like a wuss.
Again, the transmission is irrelevant. Many sports cars now have paddle shifters, which give the same experience as an auto with a manual valve body.
@MaximRecoil lol an auto box gives the same driving experience as a clutchless manual? no wonder you think the c4 is a sports car! then again, i wouldnt expect someone who believes the type of transmission used to be irrelevant in a sports car to know what makes a car a sports car.
@thisissick22 Congratulations on displaying your ignorance yet again. You clearly don't know how an auto with a manual valve body works, because if you did, you would know it is the exact same experience as a "clutchless manual".
"I" think the C4 is a sports car? That's your reading disability talking. *The entire automotive world" thinks Corvettes are sports cars; period.
There is no credible definition of "sports car" which even mentions the transmission, thus, irrelevant by default.
@MaximRecoil so what is your point? an auto box is not what you would expect to find in a sports car. the fact that you think it is shows your ignorance to the term.
The Corvette is not, and never has been, a "muscle car". It is a "sports car". Muscle cars were essentially extinct by the early '70s, killed by emissions regulations, high insurance premiums on vehicles with high-powered engines, and the 1973 oil crisis. The closest thing to a "muscle car" in the '80s was the Buick Grand National.
@thisissick22 "Good handling" relative to what, and according to whose idea of "good"? In any event, nothing will change the fact that the Corvette is classified as a sports car, and there are countless credible sources to back that up. From Motor Trend for example:
"But America's longest-running sports car [Corvette] has always proven capable of speaking for itself--on road courses, dragstrips, salt flats, and in the record books."
@MaximRecoil i've noticed you are a bit of a troll on these videos so i'll make it quick. the corvette is notorious for terrible handling(in comparison to real sports cars), some are fast in a straight line yes, but cornering ability is terrible (excluding the modern versions). I'm not redefining anything, a trait of a sports car is good handling, hence this isn't one. just because some american magazines (and the companies own marketing) say it is, does not make it so.
@whoohaaXL If I couldn't say something better than someone who is saying something that is clearly wrong, I wouldn't be advertising it.
"The introduction of fibreglass-reinforced plastic skins on General Motors' 1953 Corvette sports car marked the first appearance of composites in a ..." - Encyclopedia Britannica
@thisissick22 "Troll" and "real" are two more terms which you don't get to redefine.
You fail to understand that "good" is subjective, which should have been obvious when I asked "'Good handling' relative to what, and according to whose idea of 'good'?" (you dodged it).
And no, "some American magazines" doesn't even remotely sum up the situation. The Corvette is *universally* classified as a sports car; only an idiot would dispute it (would you like an Encyclopedia Britannica quote?).
@MaximRecoil "good" may well be a subjective term, but if there is a consensus view by people regarded as experts, then that view stands. you have contradficted yourself in saying that handling is subjective, while labeling the corvette with good handling capability. YOU do not get to redifine the term. its about credibility, and credible sources agree that the corvette does not handle well. live with it!
The "consensus view by people regarded as experts" is that the Corvette is and always has been a sports car.
You clearly have a reading disability, since I never claimed that the handling of a Corvette was good or bad, thus I haven't "contradficted" myself.
Also, a sports car that doesn't handle as well as others is simply not at the top of its class. "Sports car" is defined by design; there are no specific performance criteria that must be met in order to qualify as a "sports car".
@MaximRecoil you really are pedantic! it handles like a bag of shit. don't get me wrong - i like them and they have character. but they do not posses all the attributes of a sports car. its a fact, get over it.
As I said: countless credible sources and general consensus trumps you. In other words, you are wrong.
"This beautiful Corvette was one of the first of these fiberglass sports cars."
"... and buy themselves a real sports car."
From Top Gear - watch?v=rm7vGK-GdFw
Motor Trend, Britannica, Top Gear: they're wrong and you're right? I can name sources indefinitely BTW, given that *everyone* knows that a Corvette is a sports car.
@MaximRecoil Alright, what about this. this corvette is a terrible representation of a sports car, as it does not posses the attributes generally accepted as a requirement of a sports car. is it or is it not true that this generation of corvettes do not have what could be described as good handling in comparison to sports cars of the era? i'll use another model as an example: golf gti, started as a great handling car, went through a phase of terrible handling, then back again.
@thisissick22 I suggest you read "Corvette! - Road Test", a review of the 1984 Corvette by Brock Yates, e.g.:
"The roadholding on this new machine is so advanced that we recorded the highest skidpad lateral acceleration — 0.90 g — ever observed with a conventional automobile by this staff. That figure practically trivializes the previous high-water marks, in the 0.82-g range, generated by such exotics as the Porsche 928 and assorted Ferraris."
@thisissick22 Do the research and figure it out for yourself. I've never driven one. The fact remains that regardless of whether it has [subjectively] "good handling ability" or not, it is classified as a sports car; thus your claim that it is not a sports car is wrong.
@MaximRecoil if handling is subjective, so then is a cars classification. so, you believe this corvette to fulfill the requirements of a sports car, and i do not. "Road and Track said it best "Ask five people the exact definition of a sports car, and you’ll likely get five different answers".
@thisissick22 Except, there is no disagreement on this issue (your uninformed disagreement doesn't count). As I have already said, the Corvette is universally considered to be a sports car. It is not even close to being in a gray area of classification. Your objections with regard to handling, even if they were valid, wouldn't make a difference. Additionally, the actual numbers for this year (e.g., 0.90 g) stongly suggest that your objections are not even valid in the first place.
@thisissick22 Unless *I* agree? The Corvette's classification as a sports car has nothing to do with me. No one asked me what kind of car the Corvette is; I wasn't even born when they were introduced in the '50s. *The entire automotive world* classifies Corvettes as sports cars, and as such, the entire automotive world disagrees with you.
You can go on believing that the Corvette is not a sports car if you want; it'll be your little secret.
@MaximRecoil if this corvette is to be classified as a sports car, it is a poor representation of one. because (and i hope you can grasp it this time) it does not posses all the characteristics of a sports car. how many characteristics can a car lose before it is not classed in the same way? it may be an attempt at a sports car, but i (along with many credible sources) believe it falls short of fulfilling the requirements.
@thisissick22 You have not established that it "it does not posses all the characteristics of a sports car"; in fact, you haven't even established what those characteristics are. It outperformed Porsches and Ferraris of the day on the skidpad (something which you've ignored), so I suppose those weren't sports cars either?
Oh, and the only source you have cited was one where the host referred to the Corvette as a sports car in his first sentence (good job).
@thisissick22 Good video. He refers to the car as a sports car in his first sentence.
Clarkson is well-known to be biased in his reviews anyway. Watch his Audi R8 vs. ZR1 video for a good example. His inept driving makes it look like the ZR1 can't keep up with the R8 on the track, and claims the R8 is faster in the real world. However, the Top Gear lap times by "The Stig" in both cars show otherwise:
for all of yall who think tha c4 vette is powerless yur wrong mines is a 86 284hp i rec 0-60 in 5.08sec top speed 157 so most of all the power is at the torque trust me its powerfull and all i put in it is a racing chip $129.99
@eatmytits87 ok well he said 206hp, so maybe they should get there facts right, the point is, its still low power for the engine size and even more modern american engines still only manage not much more than 50hp per litre, so my facts arent that wrong
205 horse power from 5.7litre engine, what have they done with all the power? lol why on earth do they call them muscle cars when the huge engines hardly seem to produce any power? dreadful, nasty car
he goes on about good old american build quality , then later says that it is typical american dodgy electrics ! that is not good build quality then is it
I guess i might have one upon atime blown off a corvette as a really good car, but you know what i reckon i was wrong, a really great car is lots of fun and you know what doing fat burn outs and making shitloads of noise is just great fun :) From a 944 porsche owner to a corvette i say good choice sir :)
They don't do corners of any sort - even the latest breed of million horsepower supercharged fat man carriers would be tottally embarrased on a track by even the modestest of euro hot hatches, in fact... given the right circuit I'd take a Renault Twingo with the Cup Chassis over any of these busses the americans offer.
@MrGoochtickler .. And to bolster your claim you can now go watch a video of a Cadillac CTS-V break the fastest lap record set by a saloon car!.. And then we will turn our attention to a corvette ZR-1.. Breaking some good ole' European records for itself!.. So you are correct in your own little mind that American cars can't handle!.. If you'd stop being biased and basing your opinions on decade or older assumptions maybe you'd see you aren't as correct as you once could be..
@MrGoochtickler You fucking douchebag. What the hell do you know about anything? The newest Corvette is the equal to or better in performance than most any car out there - for a fraction of the price. If you do your research (doubtful), you'll find comparison articles between the Corvette and Ferrari/Porsche/Lambo, etc. where the Vette surprises all. Look at the Nurburgring comparos. And anybody who would drive a French car is officially a homo.
@Pinin500 How can you say the Vette will fall to bits in a few months when this video clearly proves they hold together, even when abused? Prejudiced asshole. Fuck you.
This is the worst C4 you could buy! the 84 was the first C4so has too many electrical gremlins and it uses the same motor as the C3! it's not worth buying this car at any price. An 85 would have been a much better choice and well worth holding out for.
@InTheLBC Only the 84 had 206Hp because back in the early 70s & 80s
American automotive manufactures were suffering from emissions regulations. prior to the regulations American V8s HP output was more than double that figure.
examples can be found in the Shelby Cobra, the Ford GT and the old Z06
American Electrics? He must not of met Joesph Lucas the Prince of Darkness...Let alone driven an Aston Martin Lagonda costing 4 times a much with 4 times as much headache....Come on Mike you can do way better.
@jedgq2 What year Corvette do you own...That's what I thought.I have an '89 Corvette, as well as a 380SL Benz, and a '77 MGB.People that Bash usually drive Pinto's,A Probe or Perhaps an Escort.
@Sheltie7711 You own a Corvette so you're not going to bash it, right ?. It's like someone calling your baby ugly. I personally dont like Corvettes, my younger brother love's his to death, its all taste and preference. So why be as rude as the other 2 pricks and sink to their level ?. I prefer the majority of BMW,s, i'm fine if you dont like them.
i have a 1994 c 4 with an LT1 engine with 300 HP much better made then the 80's i would not take an 84 with the Cross Fire motor if you gave it to me but that is me i know were one is for sale right now for $2500 body looks good --int needs work but it sounds good it would make a good Corvette for some kid starting out
Mike does as lot of work as farting comparing to Edd but he feels just so important that it seems he is about to s**t his f**k'n pants. Notice how he walks in to Edd's workshop when Edd is done half of the work and spent loads of time working and without closer look to a car says: "You haven't done anything yet." Is he out of his f**k'n retarded little mind? I would definitely beat the crap out of Mike the same minute if I were Edd :)
The C4 is kind of a joke nowadays (on both sides of the atlantic, trust me) but in it's day, it was very capable. 205 horsepower was a lot in the mid-1980s American market, thanks to American smog regulations (the European and Asian imports had similarly strangled power outputs here and were equally crap vehicles, let's be honest) and this unibody Vette was a big change for GM. If anything, the C4 is a landmark of Corvette design as the first Vette to be truly futuristic and modern when new.
206 horsepower lol, I admit chevy made a laughable amount of power in the 80s. The later c4's with the lt1/lt4 werent half bad. The c4 zr1 was pretty good, it had a 5.7 liter lt5 with 32 valves and 4 cams. The c5 and the c6 are both miles ahead of the c4.
every american car has the same issues. they seem like they are maid in a horry, none of the panels fit like they are supous to. and the elecronics are bound to go rong
I love this model of Corvette. It has aged very gracefully and still looks fantastic. Of course it is now an old car so naturally there will be things to fix, but that's all part of the fun!
@provehito44 26 years old actually...I'm repainting mine and replacing the weatherstripping now...been very reliable for me for over ten years I've owned it.
Those crossfire engines were so underpowered... But it's vette... And it's typical to see a Brit show were the host is somewhat elitist or over nationalistic (pretty much all their shows are like that)... We don't acknowledge the Queen because she's a figurehead and we won the Revolution... So get over it!
Sometimes those guy's give me the creeps !! That Corvette had a winter tire on the left front wheel and they didnt noticed it at all.. I don't know the rules in GB but in my country thats not legal, and it's unsafe..
every english car I hav dealt with sucked big time . Electric ,suspension, engine., body......any vette is better thatn any brit car......a 1984 K car christler is better than most brit cars.,....been doing this for 20 yrs.....mabey is just brit cars in america?....they suck and I would never buy one over here....range rovers suck.....at least american cars last for a long time without working on all the t ime....english cars...buy a tool kitt cause your going to need it.
@beetlekill123 I agree that American cars last for a long time but it's mainly because they're very simple. I would never buy a new American car. Heck, the new Mustang even doesn't have independent rear suspension! This is the 21st century, guys...
@Rebasepoiss i think the suspension is the only thing you can complain about. if you have never driven one i wouldn't talk cuz they handle better than most cars with independent suspension.
@Rebasepoiss The new Mustangs are built to a price point, and independent rear suspension was not cost effective. That being said, read the new 412 hp Mustang/BMW V-8 comparison and see how it does on the track...
Actually Mike and Edd are fairly respectful for Brit guys with regard to American cars. For another perspective. watch any Top Gear segment regarding Vettes.
@seraph1m87 Exactly what I was about to write.Corvettes are very reliable cars,as any car thats maintained properly.And for him to diss on the Corvettes electronics is stupid as its 27 years old.Any car would have similar issues being 27 years old & not taken care of/maintained properly.
@94vettelover2 I must disagree slightly. Seems to be a common problem with American cars. The mechanical bits usually work very fine, and if they don't, they're easy and accessible to work on. However, when it comes to proper finish and refinement, alot of corners seems to have been cut. Usually anything that has to do with interior and convenience, like the electrics. Even on top shelf performance cars like the Viper, the interior is plastic, cheap and flawed. Not the end of the world, though.
@kiddbilly3030 it may not have euro-handling, but it does look gorgeous, personally I've always wanted a '69 Stingray, whatever else you say about them, they are drop dead gorgeous and sound beautiful.
@fauxsham Hell yeah. I'd be happy with a Camaro, but I doubt I'll ever even own one of those, let alone a vette. If I had my pick I'd take a brand new one.
@kiddbilly3030 the corvette may very well be one of the top American cars, but sorry for saying that 200 hp from a 5,7 V8 is a VERY small amount of hp/litres
I owned this year, the first year for the C4, an 84 and later on I had an 86. The 84 really handled well, very well. . known as the car that would pull 1 G in a corner. The body would also flex a little bit when going over soft curbs. My 86 did not handle as well as the 84 . . and the digital dashes tend to be problematic. Vettes give you a lot of technology and performance for the dollar.
@kiddbilly3030 the vette is a great car, the 911 is a great car etc. It's all about forgetting about our own idiocy and preferences and appreciate everything to its best.
@kiddbilly3030 They sure are gorgeous, im from the UK and my friends and family all consider the c3 their all time dream car! I wanted ones a few years ago but opted out for a torino. Much regret because their value has sky rocketed
@jaysfan00 The 84's had a weird transmission, the Doug Nash 4+3, a ghetto semi-auto trans basically. It wasn't until 89 that they got a proper manual, so the automatic cars are the ones to look for pre 89.
I really like this show..He knocks American Electrics...Funny he must not of ever heard of the Joseph Lucas the Prince of Darkness.. That is why the Brits drink warm bear..they got Lucas refrigerators
"What's [my] point"? Are you daft? Many sports cars today (Ferrari, etc.) have paddle shifters, which is no different (in terms of driving experience) than an auto with a manual valve body. Are you claiming that those are not sports cars?
"the fact that you think it is shows your ignorance to the term"
Reading disability alert #2. What I (or you) think should be in a sports car is irrelevant. The automotive world has already decided that Corvettes are sports cars in spite of your opinion.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil you really are ignorant. the modern paddle shift gearboxes used in ferraris etc are much more than an auto box with a manual valve body. the speed of shifts along with throttle blips to match engine speed result in an involving driving experience. either way the point is that this corvette has an auto box! if you want to class the c4 as a sports car, you may as well suggest any car that has an aerodynamic body and a big engine is a sports car!
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 An auto with a manual valve body allows full manual control of the transmission shifts, and there is no clutch pedal. That's the [i]exact[/i] same experience as you get with a paddle shifter, simple fellow.
And it has nothing to do with what *I* want to class the C4 as (there's that reading disability of yours again). All Corvettes are already classed as sports cars. You think this is debatable, when in reality, it is not. It was decided long ago.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil you've obviously never driven a car with dsg/smg/f1 paddle shift, the revs are matched on down shifts and it is impossible to select an inappropriate gear. there is also launch control etc etc. totally different and much more advanced than a manual valve body. i think you will find that many class the c4 as more of a gt than a sports car, it has more gt qualities than sports car qualities.
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 There are various paddle shifter implementations, some based on conventional autos and others based on conventional manuals. Also, they predate computer controls by a long shot. The thing they all have in common is: they allow manual shifts without a clutch pedal, the same as a normal auto with a manual valve body.
In any event, this transmission red herring of yours is irrelevant. Get back to me when you find some credible sources stating that Corvettes are not sports cars.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
The C4 ZR-1 (the one that Lotus was involved with after being acquired by GM) was not only a sports car (as are all Corvettes), but it was a super car. It also came along 6 years later. You might as well suggest that the Ferrari F40's extreme performance means that the Ferrari 308 GTB is not a sports car.
BTW, one of the most famous sports cars ever, the classic Porsche 911, had handling that not everyone liked. Clarkson for example, hated them. They were still sports cars, obviously.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil here we go again super cars now? the f40 was always what it was, it wasnt an improved version of another model,as the zr1 was. when the 911 was introduced, and in its earlier years it was, in terms of handling, superior to its peers, as are the modern versions. it may not have been easy to drive on the limit, but the communicative steering, along with other design features made it a true sports car. the same cannot be said of the c4. just look at the gearbox options, hardly sporty!
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 Not that it matters, but substitute 288 GTO (based on the 308 GTB) for F40.
The 911 is rear-engined, and has always had crappy handling by some people's standards.
If you think there's an objective handling standard that cars must meet before they can be sports cars, then go ahead and post the standard. In reality, there is no such standard. The automotive world has long since decided that Corvettes are sports cars. Disagree if you want; it changes nothing. You're wrong.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil welll i think you're wrong to describe this corvette as a sports car. with regard to handling and feel, i would take the consensus view of experts. that view suggests that the c4 does not handle well. it also does not have a sporty gearbox option (with most sold being auto). it looks like a sports car, but thats as close as it gets.
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 The "consensus view of experts" is that Corvettes are sports cars, period. Even Clarkson called it a sports car, despite not liking it. Oh, and you have not established that there is a "[consensus] view [that] suggests that the c4 does not handle well" (not that it would change anything); that's just you blowing smoke.
The car was available with a manual transmission, not that it's relevant.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil have you heard of sarcasm? for clarkson to describe it as a "sports" car, then go on to slate its handling, i think you're missing the point! lol it may have been available with a type of manual transmission, again, one unloved by experts.
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 He called it a sports car because that's what it is. I'll repeat; *no one* disagrees that Corvettes are sport cars. There is dispute on how good of a sports car they are; but not a sports car at all? Well, that's just your little secret, remember?
The only thing he specifically criticized was the stiff suspension, like a wuss.
Again, the transmission is irrelevant. Many sports cars now have paddle shifters, which give the same experience as an auto with a manual valve body.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil lol an auto box gives the same driving experience as a clutchless manual? no wonder you think the c4 is a sports car! then again, i wouldnt expect someone who believes the type of transmission used to be irrelevant in a sports car to know what makes a car a sports car.
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 Congratulations on displaying your ignorance yet again. You clearly don't know how an auto with a manual valve body works, because if you did, you would know it is the exact same experience as a "clutchless manual".
"I" think the C4 is a sports car? That's your reading disability talking. *The entire automotive world" thinks Corvettes are sports cars; period.
There is no credible definition of "sports car" which even mentions the transmission, thus, irrelevant by default.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil so what is your point? an auto box is not what you would expect to find in a sports car. the fact that you think it is shows your ignorance to the term.
thisissick22 11 months ago
The Corvette is not, and never has been, a "muscle car". It is a "sports car". Muscle cars were essentially extinct by the early '70s, killed by emissions regulations, high insurance premiums on vehicles with high-powered engines, and the 1973 oil crisis. The closest thing to a "muscle car" in the '80s was the Buick Grand National.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil its no sports car either.
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 The Corvette is, and always has been, a sports car. This is common knowledge.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil one of the attributes a "sports car" should have is good handling...
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 "Good handling" relative to what, and according to whose idea of "good"? In any event, nothing will change the fact that the Corvette is classified as a sports car, and there are countless credible sources to back that up. From Motor Trend for example:
"But America's longest-running sports car [Corvette] has always proven capable of speaking for itself--on road courses, dragstrips, salt flats, and in the record books."
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil lol. i get it... you're american. enough said! btw, the corvette is famous for its terrible handling.
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22
1. No it isn't.
2. You don't get to redefine the term "sports car" to exclude the Corvette.
3. Countless credible sources and general consensus trumps you.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil i've noticed you are a bit of a troll on these videos so i'll make it quick. the corvette is notorious for terrible handling(in comparison to real sports cars), some are fast in a straight line yes, but cornering ability is terrible (excluding the modern versions). I'm not redefining anything, a trait of a sports car is good handling, hence this isn't one. just because some american magazines (and the companies own marketing) say it is, does not make it so.
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 I'm American, and couldn't have said it better myself.
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MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@thisissick22 "Troll" and "real" are two more terms which you don't get to redefine.
You fail to understand that "good" is subjective, which should have been obvious when I asked "'Good handling' relative to what, and according to whose idea of 'good'?" (you dodged it).
And no, "some American magazines" doesn't even remotely sum up the situation. The Corvette is *universally* classified as a sports car; only an idiot would dispute it (would you like an Encyclopedia Britannica quote?).
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil "good" may well be a subjective term, but if there is a consensus view by people regarded as experts, then that view stands. you have contradficted yourself in saying that handling is subjective, while labeling the corvette with good handling capability. YOU do not get to redifine the term. its about credibility, and credible sources agree that the corvette does not handle well. live with it!
thisissick22 11 months ago
The "consensus view by people regarded as experts" is that the Corvette is and always has been a sports car.
You clearly have a reading disability, since I never claimed that the handling of a Corvette was good or bad, thus I haven't "contradficted" myself.
Also, a sports car that doesn't handle as well as others is simply not at the top of its class. "Sports car" is defined by design; there are no specific performance criteria that must be met in order to qualify as a "sports car".
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil you really are pedantic! it handles like a bag of shit. don't get me wrong - i like them and they have character. but they do not posses all the attributes of a sports car. its a fact, get over it.
thisissick22 11 months ago
"Fact" is another word you don't get to redefine.
As I said: countless credible sources and general consensus trumps you. In other words, you are wrong.
"This beautiful Corvette was one of the first of these fiberglass sports cars."
"... and buy themselves a real sports car."
From Top Gear - watch?v=rm7vGK-GdFw
Motor Trend, Britannica, Top Gear: they're wrong and you're right? I can name sources indefinitely BTW, given that *everyone* knows that a Corvette is a sports car.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil Alright, what about this. this corvette is a terrible representation of a sports car, as it does not posses the attributes generally accepted as a requirement of a sports car. is it or is it not true that this generation of corvettes do not have what could be described as good handling in comparison to sports cars of the era? i'll use another model as an example: golf gti, started as a great handling car, went through a phase of terrible handling, then back again.
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 I suggest you read "Corvette! - Road Test", a review of the 1984 Corvette by Brock Yates, e.g.:
"The roadholding on this new machine is so advanced that we recorded the highest skidpad lateral acceleration — 0.90 g — ever observed with a conventional automobile by this staff. That figure practically trivializes the previous high-water marks, in the 0.82-g range, generated by such exotics as the Porsche 928 and assorted Ferraris."
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil so now you are suggesting this generation corvette does have good handling ability?
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 Do the research and figure it out for yourself. I've never driven one. The fact remains that regardless of whether it has [subjectively] "good handling ability" or not, it is classified as a sports car; thus your claim that it is not a sports car is wrong.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil if handling is subjective, so then is a cars classification. so, you believe this corvette to fulfill the requirements of a sports car, and i do not. "Road and Track said it best "Ask five people the exact definition of a sports car, and you’ll likely get five different answers".
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 Except, there is no disagreement on this issue (your uninformed disagreement doesn't count). As I have already said, the Corvette is universally considered to be a sports car. It is not even close to being in a gray area of classification. Your objections with regard to handling, even if they were valid, wouldn't make a difference. Additionally, the actual numbers for this year (e.g., 0.90 g) stongly suggest that your objections are not even valid in the first place.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil LOL. so a classification, even if subjective, is not valid unless YOU agree with it? i rest my case.
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 Unless *I* agree? The Corvette's classification as a sports car has nothing to do with me. No one asked me what kind of car the Corvette is; I wasn't even born when they were introduced in the '50s. *The entire automotive world* classifies Corvettes as sports cars, and as such, the entire automotive world disagrees with you.
You can go on believing that the Corvette is not a sports car if you want; it'll be your little secret.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil if this corvette is to be classified as a sports car, it is a poor representation of one. because (and i hope you can grasp it this time) it does not posses all the characteristics of a sports car. how many characteristics can a car lose before it is not classed in the same way? it may be an attempt at a sports car, but i (along with many credible sources) believe it falls short of fulfilling the requirements.
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 You have not established that it "it does not posses all the characteristics of a sports car"; in fact, you haven't even established what those characteristics are. It outperformed Porsches and Ferraris of the day on the skidpad (something which you've ignored), so I suppose those weren't sports cars either?
Oh, and the only source you have cited was one where the host referred to the Corvette as a sports car in his first sentence (good job).
Enjoy your little secret.
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil the zr1. i would say that the changes introduced to with the zr1 by lotus expose the c4's weaknesses as a sports car.
thisissick22 11 months ago
@MaximRecoil since you're using top gear as a source - watch?v=SimNDBl4J-0&NR=1
thisissick22 11 months ago
@thisissick22 Good video. He refers to the car as a sports car in his first sentence.
Clarkson is well-known to be biased in his reviews anyway. Watch his Audi R8 vs. ZR1 video for a good example. His inept driving makes it look like the ZR1 can't keep up with the R8 on the track, and claims the R8 is faster in the real world. However, the Top Gear lap times by "The Stig" in both cars show otherwise:
1:20.4 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (damp)
1:21.6 - Audi R8 V10 (damp)
MaximRecoil 11 months ago
WebTablet :D
PCGHX 11 months ago
Surely Ed won't be able to fit in that thing! he's going to be a bit uncomfortable if he needs to sort the dash out!
Will137 11 months ago
for all of yall who think tha c4 vette is powerless yur wrong mines is a 86 284hp i rec 0-60 in 5.08sec top speed 157 so most of all the power is at the torque trust me its powerfull and all i put in it is a racing chip $129.99
kirbc4 1 year ago
i've bought the corvette, i HAVE bought the corvette!! what have i done! lol
johnjay1980 1 year ago
@eatmytits87 ok well he said 206hp, so maybe they should get there facts right, the point is, its still low power for the engine size and even more modern american engines still only manage not much more than 50hp per litre, so my facts arent that wrong
andybaby70 1 year ago
wow, mike really likes that vette. I thought he was gonna turn up at the workshop with a mullet for a while there.
iAmTheOpus 1 year ago
I love how an Englishman is talking about how bad American electrics are. Can anyone say "Lucas Electrics"?
Allof75 1 year ago
205 horse power from 5.7litre engine, what have they done with all the power? lol why on earth do they call them muscle cars when the huge engines hardly seem to produce any power? dreadful, nasty car
andybaby70 1 year ago
its probly got a 350 hp give or take... if you were wondering ... lol
DudeWithaPage 1 year ago
I cant seem to find more of the C4 episodes.
gbowne1 1 year ago
where's part 2 to 4? its been block.
actor21 1 year ago
dodgy American electrics lol, maybe he's forgotten who Lucas was? and British Leyland?
JSSJeepin 1 year ago
Ugh its the 84 Corvette with the trashy crossfire fuel injection....
Pretty sure those only had 175 Hp...
bpowersman5000 1 year ago
@bpowersman5000 Fuck yeah 200 hp badass
MultiAREE 1 year ago
I would bet you anything that the guy at home was the one who bid on it too!
Bobbie
BobbieandSteveDooley 1 year ago
v8 with 206 hp = fuckin bollocks!!
nedster79 1 year ago
"The most powerful car we've featured!
...206bhp!"
BenH333 1 year ago
There is a reason the owner wasn't home!
BobbieandSteveDooley 1 year ago
he goes on about good old american build quality , then later says that it is typical american dodgy electrics ! that is not good build quality then is it
dontpanicblink 1 year ago
Nice show but where are the original door mirrors?!?!
ThePaulrmcadam 1 year ago
I guess i might have one upon atime blown off a corvette as a really good car, but you know what i reckon i was wrong, a really great car is lots of fun and you know what doing fat burn outs and making shitloads of noise is just great fun :) From a 944 porsche owner to a corvette i say good choice sir :)
subzerostorm 1 year ago
a Yank Tank?
CowboyPenner 1 year ago
how does Ed morph into 2 like that? 9:20
guvenman 1 year ago
I think the C4 was the most decent corvette in history,,, with the LT5
thedarkminister1 1 year ago
ALL american sprts cars are shit..... BAR NONE!!
They don't do corners of any sort - even the latest breed of million horsepower supercharged fat man carriers would be tottally embarrased on a track by even the modestest of euro hot hatches, in fact... given the right circuit I'd take a Renault Twingo with the Cup Chassis over any of these busses the americans offer.
MrGoochtickler 1 year ago
@MrGoochtickler .. And to bolster your claim you can now go watch a video of a Cadillac CTS-V break the fastest lap record set by a saloon car!.. And then we will turn our attention to a corvette ZR-1.. Breaking some good ole' European records for itself!.. So you are correct in your own little mind that American cars can't handle!.. If you'd stop being biased and basing your opinions on decade or older assumptions maybe you'd see you aren't as correct as you once could be..
bighunt08 1 year ago
@MrGoochtickler You fucking douchebag. What the hell do you know about anything? The newest Corvette is the equal to or better in performance than most any car out there - for a fraction of the price. If you do your research (doubtful), you'll find comparison articles between the Corvette and Ferrari/Porsche/Lambo, etc. where the Vette surprises all. Look at the Nurburgring comparos. And anybody who would drive a French car is officially a homo.
beeroosterm 1 year ago
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Pinin500 1 year ago
@Pinin500 LOL! Failed troll attempt ha ha!
adzyb69 1 year ago
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Pinin500 1 year ago
@Pinin500 As a "Yank" I actually have to say that car really is SHIT. The C4 Vette has been a hunk of shit since they came out.
bpowersman5000 1 year ago
Not worth wasting money and time on, its a corvette, a pile of american manure, a
poor attempt at a sportscar= fail, even the new corvette zr1 is a plastiky pig with a
tractor engine, it is decades out of date. Bin it , you drive that outside the usa and
you look a tit....its american so will fall to bits in a few months....a money pit
Pinin500 1 year ago
@Pinin500 How can you say the Vette will fall to bits in a few months when this video clearly proves they hold together, even when abused? Prejudiced asshole. Fuck you.
beeroosterm 1 year ago
I wish the producers would give them a higher budget say...£10.000/15.000,otherwise they are seriously limiting their choice or cars.
sysrq120 1 year ago
Parts 2 and 3 been taken off?
L0rM 1 year ago
OMG CROSS FIRE - fucking run!!! That system was a DISASTER. The tuned-port injection that came later (85 or so I believe) was a million times better.
tpaladino 1 year ago
i want these guys to do a episode on a classic mustang or dodge that would be great.
tattoojayjay 1 year ago
the newer corvette's have a 7.0 V8 and over 400hp
TheMattyboy20 1 year ago
love the corvette and wheeler dealers, so def thumbs up for dis vid
richboy900 1 year ago
This is the worst C4 you could buy! the 84 was the first C4so has too many electrical gremlins and it uses the same motor as the C3! it's not worth buying this car at any price. An 85 would have been a much better choice and well worth holding out for.
bronxboyXXX 1 year ago
poor guys, crossfire is a horrible system
dsruddell 1 year ago
This mike guy just loves giving his poor mechanic all the hard work.
PlancksTime 1 year ago
206hp?? wow thats horrible
InTheLBC 1 year ago
@InTheLBC Only the 84 had 206Hp because back in the early 70s & 80s
American automotive manufactures were suffering from emissions regulations. prior to the regulations American V8s HP output was more than double that figure.
examples can be found in the Shelby Cobra, the Ford GT and the old Z06
bronxboyXXX 1 year ago
American Electrics? He must not of met Joesph Lucas the Prince of Darkness...Let alone driven an Aston Martin Lagonda costing 4 times a much with 4 times as much headache....Come on Mike you can do way better.
stoughton1 1 year ago
8:41 that was so gay
bosseslife7 1 year ago
Mike seems to be spending a fair amount of money on Gadgets !
bosseslife7 1 year ago
mike when ur bidding bid with 12 seconds to go! not 30mins to go!
lfclikewalfc 1 year ago
Great show! Just discovered it. I like all the episodes, but the C4 Vette is something rednecks would fix up. lol
jedgq2 1 year ago
@jedgq2 What year Corvette do you own...That's what I thought.I have an '89 Corvette, as well as a 380SL Benz, and a '77 MGB.People that Bash usually drive Pinto's,A Probe or Perhaps an Escort.
Sheltie7711 1 year ago
@Sheltie7711 You own a Corvette so you're not going to bash it, right ?. It's like someone calling your baby ugly. I personally dont like Corvettes, my younger brother love's his to death, its all taste and preference. So why be as rude as the other 2 pricks and sink to their level ?. I prefer the majority of BMW,s, i'm fine if you dont like them.
speccwolf 1 year ago
@Sheltie7711 He probably has a bigger cock though
sic1302 1 year ago
i have a 1994 c 4 with an LT1 engine with 300 HP much better made then the 80's i would not take an 84 with the Cross Fire motor if you gave it to me but that is me i know were one is for sale right now for $2500 body looks good --int needs work but it sounds good it would make a good Corvette for some kid starting out
ery1958 1 year ago
That would look daft on Uk roads, best kept in the usa..
alfistii1 1 year ago
Would like to see them restore a fox body mustang.
mattdego 1 year ago
Mike does as lot of work as farting comparing to Edd but he feels just so important that it seems he is about to s**t his f**k'n pants. Notice how he walks in to Edd's workshop when Edd is done half of the work and spent loads of time working and without closer look to a car says: "You haven't done anything yet." Is he out of his f**k'n retarded little mind? I would definitely beat the crap out of Mike the same minute if I were Edd :)
Arkliobybis 1 year ago
@Arkliobybis He does seem to be a smug asshole who drinks too much coffee - while everybody else does the work.
beeroosterm 1 year ago
grease monkey (Y)
BecomingNarcissism 1 year ago
yank tank xP
niclux 1 year ago
The C4 is kind of a joke nowadays (on both sides of the atlantic, trust me) but in it's day, it was very capable. 205 horsepower was a lot in the mid-1980s American market, thanks to American smog regulations (the European and Asian imports had similarly strangled power outputs here and were equally crap vehicles, let's be honest) and this unibody Vette was a big change for GM. If anything, the C4 is a landmark of Corvette design as the first Vette to be truly futuristic and modern when new.
andxx0r 1 year ago
LOL American electrics are a problem? More like Lucas electrical systems don't work in America.
2turbotoyz 1 year ago
206 horsepower lol, I admit chevy made a laughable amount of power in the 80s. The later c4's with the lt1/lt4 werent half bad. The c4 zr1 was pretty good, it had a 5.7 liter lt5 with 32 valves and 4 cams. The c5 and the c6 are both miles ahead of the c4.
donwonjon420 1 year ago
every american car has the same issues. they seem like they are maid in a horry, none of the panels fit like they are supous to. and the elecronics are bound to go rong
Joonas6 1 year ago
I love this model of Corvette. It has aged very gracefully and still looks fantastic. Of course it is now an old car so naturally there will be things to fix, but that's all part of the fun!
alexshepherd 1 year ago
doesnt matter if its american or not EVERY single car goes wrong no car is immune to wear and tar hell its an 80s car the is 15+ years old
provehito44 1 year ago
@provehito44 26 years old actually...I'm repainting mine and replacing the weatherstripping now...been very reliable for me for over ten years I've owned it.
fathergratwick 1 year ago
Those crossfire engines were so underpowered... But it's vette... And it's typical to see a Brit show were the host is somewhat elitist or over nationalistic (pretty much all their shows are like that)... We don't acknowledge the Queen because she's a figurehead and we won the Revolution... So get over it!
bighunt08 1 year ago
Sometimes those guy's give me the creeps !! That Corvette had a winter tire on the left front wheel and they didnt noticed it at all.. I don't know the rules in GB but in my country thats not legal, and it's unsafe..
merstrand 1 year ago
What's he talking about 'american electrics'. I always think american cars are quite well made, better than french electrics or british electrics.
MrJpholmes 1 year ago
Those crossfire engines where a nightmare.
vfIskullangel 1 year ago
@vfIskullangel huge urban myth.... only issue I've had with mine the last ten years was a bad alternator, , fan switch and starter...
fathergratwick 1 year ago
Greatest American car!!
stboboanm 1 year ago 2
American plastic JUNK!
klassetompa 1 year ago
@klassetompa Junk? Go drive your fucking Volvo in the snow - you wouldn't know a performance car if you were run over by one...
beeroosterm 1 year ago
Thanks or the vids Kenny/
casper123 1 year ago
5.7 and only 206 BH, that's pretty bad considering
Warhead3000 1 year ago
@Warhead3000 The whole car is bad mate
klassetompa 1 year ago
@klassetompa you ever own one? If not you have no idea what your saying
fathergratwick 1 year ago
206bhp? that sounds really really low even for the generation it is...
mynock05 1 year ago
OMG he is such an idiot and sounds so ignorant!
reyrob 1 year ago
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAW
purse1234 1 year ago
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purse1234 1 year ago
I like the sum up of a GM car ("nothing works") straight on!
Begbucks 1 year ago
every english car I hav dealt with sucked big time . Electric ,suspension, engine., body......any vette is better thatn any brit car......a 1984 K car christler is better than most brit cars.,....been doing this for 20 yrs.....mabey is just brit cars in america?....they suck and I would never buy one over here....range rovers suck.....at least american cars last for a long time without working on all the t ime....english cars...buy a tool kitt cause your going to need it.
beetlekill123 1 year ago 2
@beetlekill123 I agree that American cars last for a long time but it's mainly because they're very simple. I would never buy a new American car. Heck, the new Mustang even doesn't have independent rear suspension! This is the 21st century, guys...
Rebasepoiss 1 year ago
@Rebasepoiss i think the suspension is the only thing you can complain about. if you have never driven one i wouldn't talk cuz they handle better than most cars with independent suspension.
gaterzick 1 year ago
@Rebasepoiss The new Mustangs are built to a price point, and independent rear suspension was not cost effective. That being said, read the new 412 hp Mustang/BMW V-8 comparison and see how it does on the track...
beeroosterm 1 year ago
@beetlekill123
Your writing sucks.
justluckdude 1 year ago
@justluckdude so does your reply.
beetlekill123 1 year ago
@beetlekill123 Mmm, no. Just keep working at it. You'll learn how to write some day...
justluckdude 1 year ago
the host in this show is such a tool
hudg7630 1 year ago
only 206hp?
StarsMarsRadio 1 year ago
the 1984 model was the worst of the C4's mainly because of the crossfire injection in 1985 they went to tuned port injection
carguysn 1 year ago
Actually Mike and Edd are fairly respectful for Brit guys with regard to American cars. For another perspective. watch any Top Gear segment regarding Vettes.
cosmicdingo 1 year ago
corvettes suck, all years.
exBMRguy 1 year ago
@exBMRguy Actually you suck,my bet is you've never ridden in one let alone driven one.....You are an Oxygen thief.
Sheltie7711 1 year ago
hahaha a brit making fun of american electrics.
seraph1m87 1 year ago 5
@seraph1m87 Lol the irony Eh?
yamahonkawazuki 1 year ago
@seraph1m87 Exactly what I was about to write.Corvettes are very reliable cars,as any car thats maintained properly.And for him to diss on the Corvettes electronics is stupid as its 27 years old.Any car would have similar issues being 27 years old & not taken care of/maintained properly.
94vettelover2 1 year ago
@94vettelover2
except the godawful crossefire ones. those can burn in hell.maybe he means them?
seraph1m87 1 year ago
@94vettelover2 I must disagree slightly. Seems to be a common problem with American cars. The mechanical bits usually work very fine, and if they don't, they're easy and accessible to work on. However, when it comes to proper finish and refinement, alot of corners seems to have been cut. Usually anything that has to do with interior and convenience, like the electrics. Even on top shelf performance cars like the Viper, the interior is plastic, cheap and flawed. Not the end of the world, though.
Hamring 1 year ago
the 70s and 80s were a very bad time for us americans. The c5 and c6 corvettes arent that bad but the c4 is rubbish.
donwonjon420 1 year ago
Amazing....not even the worst german engineer would manage to squeeze such a tiiiiny amount of horsepower out oft the 5,7l (!!!!!!) V8....
it looks good though
nEx944 2 years ago
Thank you for praising the Corvette. It may not be a Porsche, but it is one sweet ride and the best we Yanks got.
kiddbilly3030 2 years ago 40
@kiddbilly3030 i'd rather have a corvette instead of a busted beetle. Just my opnion.
fuellistakenm 1 year ago
@kiddbilly3030 I'd rather have a corvette instead of a busted beetle. Just my opnion
fuellistakenm 1 year ago 2
@fuellistakenm I agree. That would be just my opinion too.
kiddbilly3030 1 year ago
@kiddbilly3030 it may not have euro-handling, but it does look gorgeous, personally I've always wanted a '69 Stingray, whatever else you say about them, they are drop dead gorgeous and sound beautiful.
fauxsham 1 year ago
@fauxsham Hell yeah. I'd be happy with a Camaro, but I doubt I'll ever even own one of those, let alone a vette. If I had my pick I'd take a brand new one.
kiddbilly3030 1 year ago
@kiddbilly3030 I'd love a Camaro, a nice 1984 body Z28 manual would be brilliant.
fauxsham 1 year ago
@kiddbilly3030 the corvette may very well be one of the top American cars, but sorry for saying that 200 hp from a 5,7 V8 is a VERY small amount of hp/litres
Darin432 1 year ago
@kiddbilly3030
I owned this year, the first year for the C4, an 84 and later on I had an 86. The 84 really handled well, very well. . known as the car that would pull 1 G in a corner. The body would also flex a little bit when going over soft curbs. My 86 did not handle as well as the 84 . . and the digital dashes tend to be problematic. Vettes give you a lot of technology and performance for the dollar.
74LesPaul 1 year ago
@kiddbilly3030 the vette is a great car, the 911 is a great car etc. It's all about forgetting about our own idiocy and preferences and appreciate everything to its best.
balitaSR 1 year ago
@kiddbilly3030 They sure are gorgeous, im from the UK and my friends and family all consider the c3 their all time dream car! I wanted ones a few years ago but opted out for a torino. Much regret because their value has sky rocketed
matt99is 1 year ago
Should've bought one wth a stick shift
jaysfan00 2 years ago 19
@jaysfan00 The 84's had a weird transmission, the Doug Nash 4+3, a ghetto semi-auto trans basically. It wasn't until 89 that they got a proper manual, so the automatic cars are the ones to look for pre 89.
Sephirius 1 year ago
@jaysfan00 the 80's 4=3 doug nash stick was an overcomplicated clunky tranny and the auto (700r4 )was a much more desirable tranny,,,
fathergratwick 1 year ago
I really like this show..He knocks American Electrics...Funny he must not of ever heard of the Joseph Lucas the Prince of Darkness.. That is why the Brits drink warm bear..they got Lucas refrigerators
stoughton1 2 years ago 3
aye right,wheeler dealers top notch show
tracyterri 2 years ago
Don't accelerate with the engine cold
yyoU8s 2 years ago 2
fuel injected 5.7 v8 with 200hp = fail
just how did they manage to do that
XXXblackgoatXXX 2 years ago 2
@XXXblackgoatXXX it was american engine technology of the 80's
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