I just wanted to send this observation about the word "inspired" in 2 Tim. 3:16. I believe it is a good word and does mean breathed, if we look it up, because to "aspirate" means to exhale breathe (& actually to stop breathing in death). Inspire literally means to draw air into the lungs; inhale, but it can also mean to stimulate mentally or emotionally. Since the Word of God is God breathed, "inspiration" is a perfectly good word to use!
And scripture does not interpret scripture, church tradition is what interprets scripture (which is how which books were decided to be put into the bible in the first place)
All scripture is God breathed but that does not mean that something not in the bible is not God breathed. Sola scriptura/closed canon is completely contrary to church history and even the bible itself (see 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and John 21:25).
I've never been exposed to the lutheran belief system, but I have more questions! Everything that is said in this video is the same thing i was raised with in my evangelistic church! Seperation of the church is un-godly and formed from different peope's beliefs! There is only one God, regardless of what religion you are! But i have opened myself to other religions, buddhism, islam, catholocism! I have no bad opinions of other religions, and i use other religions to help me stand on what I belie
@nschaub The belief in "Sola Scriptura" is not a biblical belief. If it were we would not have all the chaos we have today of who is right and who is not. The Catholic Church has always maintained that Revealed Truth comes through The Revelation of God in the form of oral Tradition 2 Thess 2:15 and written Word, the bible. Just because there was misuse and sin in every age of the Church does not warrant schism from it. That is my thought. I welcome yours. RJ
Thank you for these videos. I feel bad that you have to deal with these annoying Atheitsts/Conspiracy-guys though. Just ignore them, they acquired some biased half-knowledge of christianity and feel that they have to force their opinion down everybodys throat. They probably don't know the first thing about theology.
This lecture is ridiculous. On one hand the pastor is saying that the Bible is God's word and on the other he is saying we can ignore it if it bans pork because that's not important. This is typical Christian hypocrisy. They dismiss half the Bible by saying while it is Gods word it is not important but they retain the bits that suit their prejudices such as the Biblical ban on homosexuality and women speaking in Church. Truly nauseating.
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. & He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
I am beggining to love theology! I am only 16, and have a while till I go to seminary, but what are some good lutheran seminaries (close to wisconsin, illinois, or indiana would be my best range)?
The Bible doesn't consistently say it's all God-breathed (inspired). He JUST finished saying that that was the only time that phrase occurred in the New Testament. Fortunately for him, this is a very minor point.
If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property. Ex 21:20-21
You may also buy them from among the children of aliens among you, or from their families, whom the begot in your land. These shall become your property: you may keep them as a possession for your children, for them to inherit as property for all time. Such you may treat as slaves. Lev 25:44
If you may allow me to answer your question, Scripture does teach that God elects sinners to salvation (Rom. 8:28-30), but never to damnation. Some Calvinists say that Romans 9:18 proves predestination to hell, however, read vv.30-32, which shows that God's "hardening of their hearts" is His reaction to their willful rejection of Him.
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Was that supposed to be a point scored by you? As if I did not know that passage. I will no longer respond to you...and I pray that God will someday change your heart and know how much He loves you and has done for you in Jesus Christ. Pastor Lassman
Hi...I am a Lutheran (Missouri Synod) The colar is optional. We Lutherans can wear it or not wear it..it is a part of Christian Freedom. What is important is not how I dress but what I teach. Thanks for your comment! Pastor Lassman
Amen on that brother! Teach Christ and the truth! So many are afraid to be cast aside by their flock for teaching the truth and hitting it home hard. I don't like the collar it makes you look Catholic--they should only wear them!
Greetings from Seattle, Washington, USA! Thank you so much for your comments and sharing the videos. Please let me know if I can answer any questions you might have...Blessings Pastor Lassman
"Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after their genitals -- as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions."
God was very INSPIRED when he wrote this texte. Peace !!
You were not allowed to beat your slaves; children could be killed NOT for disobedience, but for DISHONORING THEIR PARENTS; it's not that woman in generally can't talk in church..they can't be pastors. Pastor Lassman
what about all the immoral stuff in the bible about being alowed to beat slaves because they are property or kill your sun if he does not listen to his parents.. or women not being alowed to talk in church?
God never asks us to believe mindlessly like slaves. If you'd ever read the Bible, you'd see that. The penalty for sin is death, and rather than force this penalty upon everyone, for all sin, Jesus willingly died on the cross for us. God the father didn't force him to.
It's not a matter of working your way toward salvation, and while I will freely admit that there have been numerous terrible things done by nut jobs in the name of Jesus, that doesn't negate the tenets of the faith.
So, telepathically telling/praying to Jesus that you 'believe' in order to become a faithful follower is not a process of 'working your way towards salvation'?
I think many would disagree with you there Critter.
Likewise, the Christian religion itself tells its followers to kill infidels (just like Islam), so it IS the faith that causes the problems.
The Christian religion does NOT tell its followers to kill infidels like the Quran. Those are Old Testament commands to the nation of Israel as they entered the promised land. Nowhere, and I mean absolutely nowhere in the New Testament are Christians commanded to kill "infidels."
"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods...do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death..." (Deut 13:7-12)
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
Mark 7:10 (ie - the New Testament) - "For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
So, Critter, do you feel it is right...or 'Good'...to kill a child because he said a cuss word to his parents?
If that's the kind of 'compassion' your God shows its followers, then I think I'll pass on it, thanks.
Cursing in that sense is different than swearing. The commands of Moses (from God) were given for the running of a nation as a theocracy, and the New Testament recognizes that through Paul encouraging us to submit to authority. I'm all for intelligent discussion back and forth, but if you're just going to be a smart alleck about everything, then I'm done speaking with you. And no, that doesn't mean that I concede any point which we've discussed.
The gospel of Christianity simply states that no matter how a person lives his life, there is no way to atone for sins, and this means an eternity in separation from God. Jesus bridges that gap by having been the blood sacrifice on the cross for our sins, and all who accept that sacrifice will be forgiven.
Okay, fine, whatever. If you really think that you have it nailed, I encourage you to look up Josh McDowell's stuff here on YouTube. He's got enough evidence for the Bible's veracity from a historical standpoint that you'd have to ignore many other historical documents from Plato, Aristotle, etc. if you ignore the Bible. Good luck. For someone who labels themselves IlluminateYourMind, you seem awfully quick to take pot shots at people rather than their ideas.
Take a look at some of Josh McDowell's stuff on YouTube. By the way, I'm done responding to you. You seem to have no interest in educated exchange of ideas, only on trying to tear people to pieces. Have a nice life, and God Bless. I'll be praying for you.
HI....thanks for your comments. Obviously we don't agree. That's why you are a muslim and I am a Christian...But thanks for watching and for your response...........Pastor Lassman
Quran:Quran speaks word of Almighty God (Allah) for Universal Guidance. Quran is The Last Revelation for the whole Humanity, to The Last Prophet Muhammad, which supersedes all previous Divine Books. Quran communicates framework for individual and collective human conduct,warnings and assurances for guidance,criteria for judging between right and wrong. Social and historical antecedents which help to explain each topic. Revealed in 23 years and preserved by Text and Memorization from Day One.
Question - if the bible is God's literal word, and religion is based on a concept of Salvation, how do you explain the concept of Hell (the lake of fire), the antithesis of Salvation, not originally being in the bible?
Also, since Salvation is based on the concepts of 'Good vs. Evil', and good and evil are obviously man made concepts denoting 'agreeable' or disagreeable' actions towards a 'particular' culture....wouldn't the concept of Salvation ALSO be man made?
For your first question, where is Hell not originally in the Bible? Second question, how are good and evil man made concepts? Is it not obvious that killing a child is evil, while caring for one is good? Just an example, but my point is that good and evil are self-evident, not just a man-made concept.
Critter110, Hell was not in the original bible. It was added in the 3rd century B.C. by the Roman Catholic establishment to scare the pagans into converting. They twisted the words 'Sheol' (which simply meant 'grave') into meaning a lake of fire and brimstone by combining the meaning of the word 'Gehenna', which was a valley outside of Jerusalem where they burned trash and dead animals.
From what I've been taught, there has always been a distinction between Sheol and Gehenna. Sheol Hades is not the eternal lake of fire (Gehenna) spoken of in Revelation.
Of course that's what you've been taught...by Christian sources.
That is their business, keeping you brainwashed and deluded.
Do a search for Gehenna. You'll see it was a valley where trash and dead animals were burned, creating a constantly burning fire. Not a subterranean lake of fire and brimstone.
Or, to make it simple, just search for 'original concept of hell'.
I never stated that right and wrong were a product of "my" religion. I'm not confusing good v. evil with right v. wrong. The line between these two arguments is mightly slim. If I do something that is good, then I must be doing something that is right. The reverse also seems to be true. Hence, good and evil are no less absolute in nature than right and wrong.
Critter, 'Good and Evil' are matters of cultural perspective. For example, cannibalism is considered evil in most parts of the word, yet, in the Amazon Basin it was tradition. To Hitler, exterminating the Jews was doing 'good' for God, yet everyone else saw it as 'evil'. In reality, actions are either 'agreeable', or 'disagreeable' to your particular culture. This is how good and evil is defined.
That's a slippery slope argument. Absolutes must exist, and good and evil must exist not just as relativistic concepts. Otherwise, everything is acceptable to do, no matter how terrible. Simply because I feel that something is 'agreeable' does not make it right.
While I agree that we need rules for society, it is SOCIETY that sets those rules...not some imaginary deity.
Your premise of 'everything is acceptable' is not realistic, as in every culture their are rules (i.e - 'agreeable and disagreeable' actions)....with consequences...either by society itself, or one's self conscious.
I have fully thought these "basic concepts," thank you very much. Let's even leave God out of it for a minute, one, absolutes exist, two, right and wrong exist, therefore, I don't think it's an unreasonable leap to say that good and evil exist, and exist without man having to label them as such. I'm not sure if you're trying to be condescending, but you're coming off that way.
Your religion trying to dictate to others what is right or wrong, telling them they are going to some imaginary hell, silencing the perspectives of others, and even killing in the name of your 'god'.
Living a good, moral life is NOT dependent on following a religion.
In fact, even atheists are more purely altruistic than Christians, for Christians are expecting to be rewarded for their actions.
Atheists do good deeds simply because it is right.
All this and you've never even asked whether or not I am a Christian. You just assumed that I am. Christians do not all perform good deeds because they feel they'll be rewarded for it. I also never asserted that someone couldn't live a good, moral life without religion. It is surely possible, and many have done it.
Christians "expect" salvation based upon the promises of the Bible. Those who expect salvation based upon their works are really no different from many other world religions whose followers work to try and gain favor in the eyes of their god.
Could you explain what happened to the body of Jesus Christ? For it seems that after the crucifixion both the Jews and Romans had every reason to find it if the could...Pastor Lassman
the fact that there was a Jesus crucified under Pontius Pilate is verified outside the bible. If Christians said he was raised...why didn't someone point to his tomb? If the body of Christ was produced Christiniaty would have been nipped in the bud.........Pastor Lassman
I find this statement terribly intriguing. If this was true, that Jesus was proven to be crucified under Poncho Pilot, then it would make for the very first proof of Jesus in recorded history.
Can you please give me the source which you speak of?
It would put to rest the existence of Jesus, and actually give validity to the scripture....because, as it stands, it has NO validity whatsoever in proof.
Just out of curiosity Pasture LAssman, what would the 'Jews' have called themselves in the 'time of Jesus'....since, the letter 'J' was not invented until the 1500's?
Gews?
Chews?
What IS the TRUE definition of a 'Jew' anyway...do you know?
Shall we compare our educations..since that's the game you want to play..Ok..what's your education..and especially in the area of biblical studies..then we will go from there....Pastor Lassman
Thank you for your time but since you don't know that I'm Lutheran and not Roman Catholic I think I've heard enough. I wish you well.......Pastor Lassman
It doesn't matter if you're Luciferan, all forms of Christianity have been manufactured largely by the Roman Catholic establishment...you should know this.
Besides, what difference does it make if I knew you were Lutheran or not?
But, anywho, thanks for proving my point. Sorry your faith isn't strong enough to stand on its on.
In addition, when you boldly claim that Christians think only of themselves instead of others when they do good deeds for other people, you are making an incredibly radical assumption that you can know the motives of every single Christian who ever does anything good for anyone, which you obviously cannot.
I didn't fall into anything, chief. If you look at one of my earlier comments, I clearly state that people can live moral lives without belief in God. I never argued that. Have a nice life.
I have a question for you I once read from a Catholic apologist: Can you show where in history sola scriptura has worked? In other words, where can we find examples of sola scriptura actually working, functioning in such a way that it brings about doctrinal certitude and unity of doctrine among Christians?
Hi.......I'll have to get back to you on this. I'm hosting a seminary class at our church and then go on vacation..I will try to answer you ASAP...Pastor Lassman
I would suggest that you learn more about how Bible translations came about. The KJV is actually one of the furthest from the original language meanings. It has its place and use, but is not the only true translation by any means.
So, everyone outside of the Roman Catholic church is not part of the church of Jesus Christ? Not even the Pope and the 1994 Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church would say that.........
They help and save us never? Looks like Jesus would differ with you on that point: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matt 7:21) "For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done."(Matt 16:27)
Christ is the head of His Church on earth. Which church is that, aipreus, the Lutheran Church? Episcopalian? Presbyterian, Seventh Day Adventist? Baptist? Calvinist? Word of Faith? Church of Christ Scientist? Methodist? No, Jesus established one Church on earth. Read the account in Matt 16. Peter was the rock (cf John 1:42); Benedict XVI is a successor of Peter.
The fact that your Pope is supposed to be "Christs Vicar on Earth" and a "successor to Peter", He then goes and Kisses "Satans handbook" ie the Quran at Syria's Umiyye Mosque in 2001 , and goes as far as aknowledging the Muslims worship the same God, You Catholics might as well take up the Quran!
Why don't Catholics just admit the truth that Catholicism is of the Devil!
Luther used his subjective opinion to tell us "what part is God's Word and what part is human word" when he stripped 7 books from the Bible. "Pure subjectivism, personal opinion," as you say.
I just wanted to send this observation about the word "inspired" in 2 Tim. 3:16. I believe it is a good word and does mean breathed, if we look it up, because to "aspirate" means to exhale breathe (& actually to stop breathing in death). Inspire literally means to draw air into the lungs; inhale, but it can also mean to stimulate mentally or emotionally. Since the Word of God is God breathed, "inspiration" is a perfectly good word to use!
laceygreenwood 5 months ago
And scripture does not interpret scripture, church tradition is what interprets scripture (which is how which books were decided to be put into the bible in the first place)
bob21294 6 months ago
All scripture is God breathed but that does not mean that something not in the bible is not God breathed. Sola scriptura/closed canon is completely contrary to church history and even the bible itself (see 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and John 21:25).
bob21294 6 months ago
I've never been exposed to the lutheran belief system, but I have more questions! Everything that is said in this video is the same thing i was raised with in my evangelistic church! Seperation of the church is un-godly and formed from different peope's beliefs! There is only one God, regardless of what religion you are! But i have opened myself to other religions, buddhism, islam, catholocism! I have no bad opinions of other religions, and i use other religions to help me stand on what I belie
MrDoctorlove993 8 months ago
@nschaub The belief in "Sola Scriptura" is not a biblical belief. If it were we would not have all the chaos we have today of who is right and who is not. The Catholic Church has always maintained that Revealed Truth comes through The Revelation of God in the form of oral Tradition 2 Thess 2:15 and written Word, the bible. Just because there was misuse and sin in every age of the Church does not warrant schism from it. That is my thought. I welcome yours. RJ
JDNWF66 11 months ago
Thank you for these videos. I feel bad that you have to deal with these annoying Atheitsts/Conspiracy-guys though. Just ignore them, they acquired some biased half-knowledge of christianity and feel that they have to force their opinion down everybodys throat. They probably don't know the first thing about theology.
DanielSahne 1 year ago
@DanielSahne Hi...thanks for your encouraging words!
nschaub 1 year ago
This lecture is ridiculous. On one hand the pastor is saying that the Bible is God's word and on the other he is saying we can ignore it if it bans pork because that's not important. This is typical Christian hypocrisy. They dismiss half the Bible by saying while it is Gods word it is not important but they retain the bits that suit their prejudices such as the Biblical ban on homosexuality and women speaking in Church. Truly nauseating.
padraigomairtin 1 year ago
so whats the point.... we know God is the author, we know God gave the different authors the content....
ah now i see.... he raises doubt to what is and what isnt Gods word THEN he hits us with his great reverlation..... who can interpret the bible...
welll i'll be.... why doesnt assman just come out and say it...
we arnt all blinded.... interpretation is the key... the RCC knows best...
sorry good try but the assumption is still wrong...
loudmouthspeaker 2 years ago
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Deuteronomy 22
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. & He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Isaiah 40
8 The grass wither's and the flowers fall,
but the word of our God stands forever.
JezebelDecibel 2 years ago
I am beggining to love theology! I am only 16, and have a while till I go to seminary, but what are some good lutheran seminaries (close to wisconsin, illinois, or indiana would be my best range)?
FreedomofSpeech12 2 years ago
The Bible doesn't consistently say it's all God-breathed (inspired). He JUST finished saying that that was the only time that phrase occurred in the New Testament. Fortunately for him, this is a very minor point.
legolasegb 3 years ago
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If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property. Ex 21:20-21
You may also buy them from among the children of aliens among you, or from their families, whom the begot in your land. These shall become your property: you may keep them as a possession for your children, for them to inherit as property for all time. Such you may treat as slaves. Lev 25:44
missionarysarahbarry 3 years ago
Pastor Lassman, I would like to aks you, what do you think of predestination?
Are Calvins teaching on double predestiantion really Biblical or was Jean Calvin wrong?
What do you think about Geneva Bible (the one that reformed scholars are such a "big fans" of)?
Sincerely yours,
Patrik
Patrikduke 4 years ago
If you may allow me to answer your question, Scripture does teach that God elects sinners to salvation (Rom. 8:28-30), but never to damnation. Some Calvinists say that Romans 9:18 proves predestination to hell, however, read vv.30-32, which shows that God's "hardening of their hearts" is His reaction to their willful rejection of Him.
AnHonestChristian 3 years ago
Hi..well said..Pastor Lassman
nschaub 3 years ago
Pastor Lassman, I think your teachings and videos are just great - a real lesson of Christian theology.
I have recommended your videos to all my friends!
Thank you very much!
Best regards from Slovenia,
Patrik
Patrikduke 4 years ago
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premovara 4 years ago
Well..his arguments are old and staid. Read Alister Mcgrath's "the Twilight of Atheism" Pastor Lassman
nschaub 4 years ago
Was that supposed to be a point scored by you? As if I did not know that passage. I will no longer respond to you...and I pray that God will someday change your heart and know how much He loves you and has done for you in Jesus Christ. Pastor Lassman
nschaub 4 years ago
Are you a Catholic priest? If not why the Roman collar? I like your videos to a certain extent though.
tomata182 4 years ago
Hi...I am a Lutheran (Missouri Synod) The colar is optional. We Lutherans can wear it or not wear it..it is a part of Christian Freedom. What is important is not how I dress but what I teach. Thanks for your comment! Pastor Lassman
nschaub 4 years ago
Amen on that brother! Teach Christ and the truth! So many are afraid to be cast aside by their flock for teaching the truth and hitting it home hard. I don't like the collar it makes you look Catholic--they should only wear them!
tomata182 4 years ago
Pastor Lassman, I think your teachings and videos are just great!
I have recommended them to all my friends!
Best regards from Slovenia,
Patrik
Patrikduke 4 years ago
Greetings from Seattle, Washington, USA! Thank you so much for your comments and sharing the videos. Please let me know if I can answer any questions you might have...Blessings Pastor Lassman
nschaub 4 years ago
Ezekiel 23:19-20
"Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after their genitals -- as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions."
God was very INSPIRED when he wrote this texte. Peace !!
Philos2006 4 years ago
You were not allowed to beat your slaves; children could be killed NOT for disobedience, but for DISHONORING THEIR PARENTS; it's not that woman in generally can't talk in church..they can't be pastors. Pastor Lassman
nschaub 4 years ago
what about all the immoral stuff in the bible about being alowed to beat slaves because they are property or kill your sun if he does not listen to his parents.. or women not being alowed to talk in church?
Prontest 4 years ago
God never asks us to believe mindlessly like slaves. If you'd ever read the Bible, you'd see that. The penalty for sin is death, and rather than force this penalty upon everyone, for all sin, Jesus willingly died on the cross for us. God the father didn't force him to.
critter110 4 years ago
It's not a matter of working your way toward salvation, and while I will freely admit that there have been numerous terrible things done by nut jobs in the name of Jesus, that doesn't negate the tenets of the faith.
critter110 4 years ago
So, telepathically telling/praying to Jesus that you 'believe' in order to become a faithful follower is not a process of 'working your way towards salvation'?
I think many would disagree with you there Critter.
Likewise, the Christian religion itself tells its followers to kill infidels (just like Islam), so it IS the faith that causes the problems.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
The Christian religion does NOT tell its followers to kill infidels like the Quran. Those are Old Testament commands to the nation of Israel as they entered the promised land. Nowhere, and I mean absolutely nowhere in the New Testament are Christians commanded to kill "infidels."
critter110 4 years ago
"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods...do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death..." (Deut 13:7-12)
That's means kill the infidels, Sir Critter.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
So, now you are trying to say the OT is not actually God's literal word?
Are ye playing God Sir Critter?
For you are 'cherry picking' the bible.
Matt. 5:17-19. To quote your imaginary Jesus -
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
Mark 7:10 (ie - the New Testament) - "For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
So, Critter, do you feel it is right...or 'Good'...to kill a child because he said a cuss word to his parents?
If that's the kind of 'compassion' your God shows its followers, then I think I'll pass on it, thanks.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
Cursing in that sense is different than swearing. The commands of Moses (from God) were given for the running of a nation as a theocracy, and the New Testament recognizes that through Paul encouraging us to submit to authority. I'm all for intelligent discussion back and forth, but if you're just going to be a smart alleck about everything, then I'm done speaking with you. And no, that doesn't mean that I concede any point which we've discussed.
critter110 4 years ago
Then, tell me...how is cursing different than swearing?
The REAL point is this....there is NO difference that would still justify killing one's own child for a disobedient act.
What if the child is 2 years old?
EVEN if if WAS written as support for a theocracy....are you actually saying that justifies killing a child for swearing?
You don't have to concede sir....it's quite obvious the delusion of trying to justify that verse/action.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
The gospel of Christianity simply states that no matter how a person lives his life, there is no way to atone for sins, and this means an eternity in separation from God. Jesus bridges that gap by having been the blood sacrifice on the cross for our sins, and all who accept that sacrifice will be forgiven.
critter110 4 years ago
Well isn't that just so convenient (and highly profitable) for Christianity. LOL
There's just one problem with your theory Critter.
Jesus NEVER said in his own words he would die on a cross to save you from your sin.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
Baloney, sir. Jesus said that the Son of Man, referring to himself, would be lifted up, revealing the type of death that he would die. See John 12:31
critter110 4 years ago
Baloney huh? Everyone can be considered the 'son of man', and he never said that in his own words.
Do you really think Jesus was the author of that chapter in John?
Where does he say, in his own words, that he will die on a cross to save you from your sins?
I'll tell you where....Nowhere...that's where.
Try again Critter.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
Okay, fine, whatever. If you really think that you have it nailed, I encourage you to look up Josh McDowell's stuff here on YouTube. He's got enough evidence for the Bible's veracity from a historical standpoint that you'd have to ignore many other historical documents from Plato, Aristotle, etc. if you ignore the Bible. Good luck. For someone who labels themselves IlluminateYourMind, you seem awfully quick to take pot shots at people rather than their ideas.
critter110 4 years ago
You must be joking. Josh McDowell?
Give me ONE example of where he actually proves the validity of the bible....just ONE.
Who said I gave any credence to Aristotle or Plato?
Here's a clue Critter....a person IS the sum of their ideas, for their very reality is manufactured by their belief system.
In simple terms, mocking one IS mocking their ideas.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
Take a look at some of Josh McDowell's stuff on YouTube. By the way, I'm done responding to you. You seem to have no interest in educated exchange of ideas, only on trying to tear people to pieces. Have a nice life, and God Bless. I'll be praying for you.
critter110 4 years ago
HI....thanks for your comments. Obviously we don't agree. That's why you are a muslim and I am a Christian...But thanks for watching and for your response...........Pastor Lassman
nschaub 4 years ago
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abd400 4 years ago
Question - if the bible is God's literal word, and religion is based on a concept of Salvation, how do you explain the concept of Hell (the lake of fire), the antithesis of Salvation, not originally being in the bible?
Also, since Salvation is based on the concepts of 'Good vs. Evil', and good and evil are obviously man made concepts denoting 'agreeable' or disagreeable' actions towards a 'particular' culture....wouldn't the concept of Salvation ALSO be man made?
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
For your first question, where is Hell not originally in the Bible? Second question, how are good and evil man made concepts? Is it not obvious that killing a child is evil, while caring for one is good? Just an example, but my point is that good and evil are self-evident, not just a man-made concept.
critter110 4 years ago
Critter110, Hell was not in the original bible. It was added in the 3rd century B.C. by the Roman Catholic establishment to scare the pagans into converting. They twisted the words 'Sheol' (which simply meant 'grave') into meaning a lake of fire and brimstone by combining the meaning of the word 'Gehenna', which was a valley outside of Jerusalem where they burned trash and dead animals.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
From what I've been taught, there has always been a distinction between Sheol and Gehenna. Sheol Hades is not the eternal lake of fire (Gehenna) spoken of in Revelation.
critter110 4 years ago
Of course that's what you've been taught...by Christian sources.
That is their business, keeping you brainwashed and deluded.
Do a search for Gehenna. You'll see it was a valley where trash and dead animals were burned, creating a constantly burning fire. Not a subterranean lake of fire and brimstone.
Or, to make it simple, just search for 'original concept of hell'.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
I'm not saying that it wasn't a valley, but do you think it was perhaps possible that Jesus was drawing a parallel?
critter110 4 years ago
Do you not think that these concepts existed long before the concept of Jesus, or even BEFORE your religion existed?
Perhaps you are confusing 'Good vs Evil', with 'Right and Wrong', there is a difference.
The 'concept' of 'Evil' is a product of RELIGION. It is invoked to demonize an opposing view or culture/deity.
Whereas 'Right and Wrong' was inherent from the birth of civilization, therefore, NOT a product of your religion.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
I never stated that right and wrong were a product of "my" religion. I'm not confusing good v. evil with right v. wrong. The line between these two arguments is mightly slim. If I do something that is good, then I must be doing something that is right. The reverse also seems to be true. Hence, good and evil are no less absolute in nature than right and wrong.
critter110 4 years ago
Bad and 'Evil' involve different concepts.
Bad is simply a disagreeable action. Evil implies a demonic, damning force usually associated with a deity (Satan, Lucifer, Serpent, etc).
Evil is also the label placed on an opposing culture with different deities/traditions, usually for political reasons.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
For example, it would be considered 'bad' for a child to hit one's sibling.
But is it an act of 'damming' evil?
The moment you associate it with 'evil' you must invoke some kind of imaginary deity or force.
It is the evil, the imaginary force/deity that is mythical, (i.e- man made).
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
What are you going on about these 'absolutes' you speak of?
You seem to be desperately trying to link the term 'absolutes' to the concept of 'perfection'...
...of which perfection does not exist except for in CONCEPT.
Show me ONE thing that you consider 'absolute' or perfect and I'll show you it's imperfection and 'un-absoluteness'.
Are you so unaware of the 'gray areas' of nature, justice, and morality?
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
Critter, 'Good and Evil' are matters of cultural perspective. For example, cannibalism is considered evil in most parts of the word, yet, in the Amazon Basin it was tradition. To Hitler, exterminating the Jews was doing 'good' for God, yet everyone else saw it as 'evil'. In reality, actions are either 'agreeable', or 'disagreeable' to your particular culture. This is how good and evil is defined.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
That's a slippery slope argument. Absolutes must exist, and good and evil must exist not just as relativistic concepts. Otherwise, everything is acceptable to do, no matter how terrible. Simply because I feel that something is 'agreeable' does not make it right.
critter110 4 years ago
It's not a slippery slope, it is reality.
While I agree that we need rules for society, it is SOCIETY that sets those rules...not some imaginary deity.
Your premise of 'everything is acceptable' is not realistic, as in every culture their are rules (i.e - 'agreeable and disagreeable' actions)....with consequences...either by society itself, or one's self conscious.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
Critter, you need to fully think these basic concepts before debating them.
They are crucial to understanding your world and society...and especially how your religion has been manufactured by man.
Do a search on 'the concept of Good vs. Evil'...it would save us both a lot of time and typing.
Then come back and we'll discuss it after you have been educated a bit more on the subject.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
I have fully thought these "basic concepts," thank you very much. Let's even leave God out of it for a minute, one, absolutes exist, two, right and wrong exist, therefore, I don't think it's an unreasonable leap to say that good and evil exist, and exist without man having to label them as such. I'm not sure if you're trying to be condescending, but you're coming off that way.
critter110 4 years ago
No, let me tell you what is condescending...
Your religion trying to dictate to others what is right or wrong, telling them they are going to some imaginary hell, silencing the perspectives of others, and even killing in the name of your 'god'.
Living a good, moral life is NOT dependent on following a religion.
In fact, even atheists are more purely altruistic than Christians, for Christians are expecting to be rewarded for their actions.
Atheists do good deeds simply because it is right.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
All this and you've never even asked whether or not I am a Christian. You just assumed that I am. Christians do not all perform good deeds because they feel they'll be rewarded for it. I also never asserted that someone couldn't live a good, moral life without religion. It is surely possible, and many have done it.
critter110 4 years ago
For one, I care less what 'faith' you are...for you obviously believe in religious faith.
Two, Christians expect SALVATION...that is a reward for their actions/faith.
'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you'... Does that sound like a fully altruistic ideal to you?
Therefore, they are thinking of only themselves in the end....not of others.
Atheists can do good deeds without the option of ANY reward.
Of course, 'true altruism' being a concept that is illusory in itself.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
Christians "expect" salvation based upon the promises of the Bible. Those who expect salvation based upon their works are really no different from many other world religions whose followers work to try and gain favor in the eyes of their god.
critter110 4 years ago
And what do the 'promises of the bible' say you have to do in order to achieve salvation Critter?
Does it not involve some action...some thought process...hmmm?
Faith without works is dead...so I hear. LOL
You're slowly finding out all the contradictions in the bible...so, keep searching Grasshoppa.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
Could you explain what happened to the body of Jesus Christ? For it seems that after the crucifixion both the Jews and Romans had every reason to find it if the could...Pastor Lassman
nschaub 4 years ago
It makes for good literary prose...does it not?
Fact is, there are NO artifacts of Jesus, nor the apostles.
Oh, unless you consider the 'Shroud of Turin' hahahaha!!!
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
the fact that there was a Jesus crucified under Pontius Pilate is verified outside the bible. If Christians said he was raised...why didn't someone point to his tomb? If the body of Christ was produced Christiniaty would have been nipped in the bud.........Pastor Lassman
nschaub 4 years ago
Oh reeeeally Pasture LAssman?
And what 'verfified source' would that be....do tell?
It's the same old story...just as ALL THE OTHER 'SAVIORS' of mankind throughout history.
Even Horus of Egypt supposedly died on cross, resurrected 3 days later, walked on water, born of a virgin, had 12 disciples, etc etc.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
what's your education?
nschaub 4 years ago
My education?
959.3467
What's yours?
Your seminary school was a session of lies from the Roman Catholic Church.
Therefore, your degree means nothing to me.
Debate me if you think your religion can stand up to the scrutiny.
That's the real test of intelligence, Pasture.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
I find this statement terribly intriguing. If this was true, that Jesus was proven to be crucified under Poncho Pilot, then it would make for the very first proof of Jesus in recorded history.
Can you please give me the source which you speak of?
It would put to rest the existence of Jesus, and actually give validity to the scripture....because, as it stands, it has NO validity whatsoever in proof.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
Just out of curiosity Pasture LAssman, what would the 'Jews' have called themselves in the 'time of Jesus'....since, the letter 'J' was not invented until the 1500's?
Gews?
Chews?
What IS the TRUE definition of a 'Jew' anyway...do you know?
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
Shall we compare our educations..since that's the game you want to play..Ok..what's your education..and especially in the area of biblical studies..then we will go from there....Pastor Lassman
nschaub 4 years ago
Are you serious? You must be joking.
If so, then I got my piece of paper saying I'm a certified Youtube poster from college, but I cheated my way through college. LOL
Please, when does a degree ever verfiy someone is 'smarter' than another?
Do you really put more faith in colleges than one's faith?
If so, you're no real pastor sir, but a FAKE.
The REAL test is a debate....of which you are failing miserably.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
Debate me, then we'll see who belief system is more founded on truth, and/or 'believability'.
For, your religion can ONLY survive by either silencing the oppositions voice, running from the debate, or avoiding the core questions.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
Thank you for your time but since you don't know that I'm Lutheran and not Roman Catholic I think I've heard enough. I wish you well.......Pastor Lassman
nschaub 4 years ago
It doesn't matter if you're Luciferan, all forms of Christianity have been manufactured largely by the Roman Catholic establishment...you should know this.
Besides, what difference does it make if I knew you were Lutheran or not?
But, anywho, thanks for proving my point. Sorry your faith isn't strong enough to stand on its on.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
In addition, when you boldly claim that Christians think only of themselves instead of others when they do good deeds for other people, you are making an incredibly radical assumption that you can know the motives of every single Christian who ever does anything good for anyone, which you obviously cannot.
critter110 4 years ago
Hmmmm, So, you're basically saying that people can do good deeds WITHOUT depending/expecting on some imaginary God or religion?
I love it when other people prove my points for me. LOL
You fell right into that one Critter. LOL
But, nonetheless, by definition, being a Christian means you are acting for a God, and expecting a reward.
IlluminateYourMind 4 years ago
I didn't fall into anything, chief. If you look at one of my earlier comments, I clearly state that people can live moral lives without belief in God. I never argued that. Have a nice life.
critter110 3 years ago
Pastor,
I have a question for you I once read from a Catholic apologist: Can you show where in history sola scriptura has worked? In other words, where can we find examples of sola scriptura actually working, functioning in such a way that it brings about doctrinal certitude and unity of doctrine among Christians?
dan0898 4 years ago
Hi.......I'll have to get back to you on this. I'm hosting a seminary class at our church and then go on vacation..I will try to answer you ASAP...Pastor Lassman
nschaub 4 years ago
No rush. Enjoy your vacation. :)
dan0898 4 years ago
the only TRUE WORD OF GOD IS THE KING JAMES BIBLE READ IT AND LEARN THE TRUTH!!!!
LADYTIRE3 4 years ago
I would suggest that you learn more about how Bible translations came about. The KJV is actually one of the furthest from the original language meanings. It has its place and use, but is not the only true translation by any means.
mketepa 4 years ago
So, everyone outside of the Roman Catholic church is not part of the church of Jesus Christ? Not even the Pope and the 1994 Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church would say that.........
nschaub 4 years ago
Our good works still don't prevent our doom. They help and save us never. And Christ is still the head of His Church on earth... not the Pope.
ajpreus 4 years ago
They help and save us never? Looks like Jesus would differ with you on that point: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matt 7:21) "For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done."(Matt 16:27)
dan0898 4 years ago
Christ is the head of His Church on earth. Which church is that, aipreus, the Lutheran Church? Episcopalian? Presbyterian, Seventh Day Adventist? Baptist? Calvinist? Word of Faith? Church of Christ Scientist? Methodist? No, Jesus established one Church on earth. Read the account in Matt 16. Peter was the rock (cf John 1:42); Benedict XVI is a successor of Peter.
dan0898 4 years ago
The fact that your Pope is supposed to be "Christs Vicar on Earth" and a "successor to Peter", He then goes and Kisses "Satans handbook" ie the Quran at Syria's Umiyye Mosque in 2001 , and goes as far as aknowledging the Muslims worship the same God, You Catholics might as well take up the Quran!
Why don't Catholics just admit the truth that Catholicism is of the Devil!
bradidup 4 years ago
Luther used his subjective opinion to tell us "what part is God's Word and what part is human word" when he stripped 7 books from the Bible. "Pure subjectivism, personal opinion," as you say.
dan0898 4 years ago