I had one done too and when I got it home it was ruined.No flexability and terrible compression all or nothing in a nutshell.I sold it.The Splawn was a disapointment too.I ended up with a dsl 401 that sounds better imho.A jcm 800 sounded better than all of them! But then tone is subjective.
If you read you will know that Eddies plexi was the house amp at a club. I'm sure it was just cranked on some smaller gigs that we will never hear and will never be able to A/B the sound against what we know. Anything bigger than a club, it was mic'd up into a mixer/PA. Most of the amps Ed used in the 78-up tours were later 100w amps from the late 70s early 80s. They had more gain and sounded better live. Reverb adds ALOT. Ever see an early100w with reverb? NOPE. Eds recording all do. Hmmmmm.
I have a 73 JMP 50 myself, which is bone stock...Completely cranked, I can't even get that kind of tone out of it. I can't decide if that's a good thing or not...HAHA
@2mnygtrz Totally right, most of the original brown sound texture comes from tape saturation, i.e. recording the cranked Marshall on TAPE above 0 db. This simple trick shook the world in 1978 and still does! Most people don't know yet Eddie was using a stock Marshall Plexi powered by a Variac at around 90 volts and an old MXR Micro Amp pedal to boost the guitar's signal.
Speakers? What Kind of speakers did you use for this brown sound? I just bought a '74 super lead MKII.. I need to know the best speakers and the best cabs. Anybody can reply to this message.
@azombiestool Use the same as Eddie, a Marshall cab with 25 watt greenback, pre rola Celestions. It will cost you quite some money, but that is the closest thing. AND early Marshall cabs had slightly different build features, most notably a bigger chunk of wood keeping the baffle and back panel firm. I remember opening a new 1978 cab and noticing the smaller, poorly screwed square wood bar and the whole thing smelled pinewood, too! My earlier 1968 cabs had totally dried wood, in 1978. Good luck!
@PGROSYE02 NO PEDALS...JUST EXPERTLY RECORDED. Most Plexis sound great as is but you have to record them properly to get this EVH brown sound. EVHs amp sounded terrible but in the studio, Don Landee and Ted Templeton made it sound awesome.... the fingers didnt hurt either..
@2mnygtrz With all due respect but that's BS man, the sound has to be there before you start recording. Sure you can make a crappy amp sound okay, and definately when it's in a mix with other instruments, but a studio doesn't perform miracles.
@jessemaes1990 Do you own one? If you did you would know better. If you take this amp and just plug in , it sounds nothing like the recording. Every clip you hear with a EVH style marshall that NAILS the sound has been recorded and then had reverb added AFTER the track was recorded dry. I have 4 and none nail the sound unless recorded. I know not a single Marshall owner who has this sound without recording it.
The variac did make the EVH plexi super hot and cranked to the max.
It did make the power tube work so hard that they did not last too long.
but what a sound the best in my opinion so fruity rich in harmonics lot's of gain but not fizzy or thin ! with great definition the holy grail of rock tone !
even the 5150 and the newer EVH amps are not as good in my opinion !
@2mnygtrz that good eh?.. Seriously a stock Plexi loaded and slaved into power amp is definitely the sound EVH had on the first album.. The Cerrem mod isn't far off either but I don't think he did that mod to be fair..
Thanks! I think Mark does a fantastic job in getting the EVH sound. Alot of it is in the fingers, recording setup and of course the mod but all have to work together. Every Marshall is a bit different in sound anyways but sometimes when modding, the nail gets hit right on the head like with this amp.
modding a '73 super lead??? I hope that thing was already trashed before modding it. You want a hopped up amp, buy a hopped up amp.....all we have here is a lost classic now.
@2mnygtrz you're right in a very big way but if he would have used a line 6, or even a Engl tube amp, it wouldn't have sounded any where as close to Van Halen's tone as this. Tone helps.
@DarthKazi Most agree, he used a variac and a load box. Those modifed the tone. Most arguments center around a resister across the primaries along with a master volume on the back of the amp; Cerrem's Mod. In the studio for VHI, there's a pic of Ed's amp and you can see the back and there looks like a volume knob of some sort.
It's all up for debate, plenty of people will argue it was modified.
@stebonar I would but he died 30 years ago. As I said, his amps were examined by two very respected and prominent amp techs and they said it was "basically" stock. Suhr said his cap values may have been altered on his tone pots, preamp tubes and phase inverter, but he also said it could have just been a fluke, since Marshalls were basically put together with whatever parts were available at the shop at the time of the build. Ed's tone is in his hands and heart.
@DarthKazi An Interview with Eddie in 1990 or so, thay asked about his 100w Marshall and he denies ANY mods. No Variac, extra tubes, bs,etc.. However, Ed did say that amp went a period where it ate output transformers alot. So, something was happening post-phase inverter in the output circuit. Its magical nonetheless.
@DarthKazi Marshall had a batch of filter caps with a different value than what was being used at the time. He used those on amps with serial numbers starting with 12. Eddie's amp is from that series. You are right, the values were different. But that only started happening with serial number stating with 12.
@DRQ5150 Marks amps sound great too. There ar tons of replicas that sound like EVH. Alot of this sound id how its recorded. None of them sound like EVH dry with no reverb.
@satchbooggy Thanks Satch. Sometimes the truth hurts the ones that are not aware. As far as EVH mods...most of these guys think that you send the amp to get modded and it comes back 100% with that sound . They do not take into consideration things like "Early Marshalls don't have reverb". What do they think...Eddie walked into the studio with his amp, plugged in, and pressed RECORD? (Remeber Eds reverb tank , THE BOMB ?) lol!
@2mnygtrz ive always used modeling gear to mask my playing. the truth is much more goes into making these amps sound "brown" Hand tone (which eddie has ) makes all the difference in my opinion. Dave Bray makes his own amps sound amazing.
Hey do me a big favor and send this amp to EVH to use for the new record! It is really about time eddie got a great marshall tone again? this amp modded by bray is killer.
Your bray really rocks, Its just downright awesome! I think dave brays mods are the best and most useable and versatile. I have a marshall jmp 50watter that he modded with mod 1 and dual master volumes for leads and it is the best sounding amp I have owned and the dual masters is priceless when playing live, I couldnt live without it! There are others trying to copy brays mods but they dont sound as good
I agree. His are the best. When you put the right resistor and capacitor values in the right places, you get a killer result. I took alot of pics of the inside after I got it back. I am building one of my own replicas and will do the same mod. Hopefully it will sound as good.
Yeah, I will eventually get another one from Dave Bray. His new BRAY amps are killer. He doesn't hack the old ones up with rediculous mods to get this sound. Some resistor and capacitor changes in the right places make all the difference. Marshalls already have alot of the brown sound in them. Eddies was basically stock with only minor resistor changes during routine service. Old Marshalls sound great and Bray just brings out the best in each amp. Still sounds like a Marshall, just better.
i dont really know what has happened to ur amp but has some guy modded it? has he modded it to the evh brown sound or sommet? or can u get the tone without modding it?
Just spoke with dave bray, and I am packing my 75 jmp 1987 up to have him do his mod 1 along with the vintage/hot switch and the dual sound mod also along with the overall master volume on the back. I hope it turns out as good as yours sounds here! I was a little nervous with modding my original marshall but after hearing some of these clips I feel confident that I will love it!
Thats basically what I got back in a bag when he did mine. A small batch of original resistors, a mustard capacitor, and a couple of the stock mica capacitors. By changing the resistance in some areas ity changes the tone, gain and overall sound.
I wonder if david bray actually records these demos with each individual amp before sending it back to the customer or if he just burns a copy of the same old track from a similarly modded amp of his?? Either way, everything I heard from brays mods sound awesome! I have heard clips of marshalls modded by voodoo and fja and they sound very heavy metal with the fja modded tone sounding both heavy metal and sterile, I guess thats the point though probably but it doesnt sound like a plexi
Yes he records all of them. He will keep recording MP3s for you until your happy with the sound. He nailed mine 1st time out. Also, I have heard aboiut 50 different clips from different amps and have never heard the exact same thing. When buyers ask for EVH , Dave will play a common list of EVH riffs so you can hear the familiar tones in the amp.
Sounds just like the first Van Halen record. I have a 90's Classic 30 reissue from Peavey and I can get close to this tone through my fat strat, but you nailed it! Nice job!
Just got my EVH 5150 III dialed in an will posting some vids with a new Les Paul Standard.
Highy recommended. Very "Marshall like" but tighter with more control. NO effects needed (Mabey a little delay) I'm using a Electro Harmonix
"Deluxe Memeory Man" delay. Thats it. The EVH has TONS of gain and distortion. Channel 1 Clean, Channel 2 Dirty, Channel 3 over the top. I ONLY use Channel 2 and its ENOUGH. Check back soon for the clip.
Yeah, David Bray is a genious when it come to doing the right VH mods. What most people don't realize is that an original, stock 67/68 Marshall Superlead is what EVH used. The only thing changed on his amp over the years were a few resistors and capacitors, only when he had it serviced. To get this sound you have to ad reverb, dealy etc? Bray records the DRY amp and ads reverb to get this sound on the MP3. Basically what EVH did in the studio. Remember, STOCK MARSHALL = NO EFFECTS, NO REVERB.
I just think this amp has much more of the EVH VH1-2 sound than any other Marshall on Youtube or Dave Bray's site. The 71-73 Superleads already had more gain than the 67-68 Plexi that Eddie used. I have heard all of them on this site. If you listed to Runnin with the Devil and listen to this MP3, they are 99% dead nuts on.
i dont know what junkerde is talkin bout..i think this is the brown sound. it does have that edge to it....i think if it had more presence...but remember this is daves settings....so yeah...you could manipulate it
@junkerde Yeah, that's about as close as you're going to get to VH...aside from the capture job and studio magic, of course....which has nothing to do with the amp. In fact, from all the old bootleg VH clips I've hear...this actually sounds better than
Ed's amp. It's only after it's been produced that Ed's tone was so killer.
but hose were bootlegs..i mean the album tone. that is a killer tone....this tone is good its just it needs that edge and CRUNCHINESS and presence.....this soundclip is smoother and less crunchy then evh's tone...i wouldnt say it nails evhs tone but id say its a great sound for some other stuff.
: ) if it's the album tone you like so much (that silky smooth brightness and monster attack and hugness)....realize, that's studio magic (plus fx) and a different player. This is closer to Ed's amp...than Ed's amp.
yes..i think thats the only one on the van halen 1 track with the softer tone..but when it starts eruption then so on...the tone CHANGES drastically..so much gain and crunch and edge to it. i never said this tone was bad..i jsut said its not really van halen 1 tone..but its great!
@junkerde Also, don't discount the fact that the amp is going to change based on how long the recording session went that day. Tubes and voice coils and paper cones heat up...sound changes. Different temp and humidity content in the studio that day...tone changes. The changes that you're hearing are everyday changes that always occur. There are a number of different factors that make up a guitar tone.
@junkerde LOL no. Ed is a different player than what you're hearing on this track. The player makes a huge difference.
The tone doesn't change drastically. It's still the same setup with the same capture job. What you're hearing is differences in the way Ed is playing on a very responsive tone. It's very easy to change the tone just by the way you play. AND don't forget about the different guitars he used on the album. Also, Eruption was right/left. The other track were panned hard
@junkerde This amp, however...is as close as you're going to get. In other words, this IS the tone. Any other differences you are hearing...is not the amp's fault. If you could recreate the exact circumstances under which the album was recorded and make Ed himself play on this amp the same way he did back then...with the same gear. I guarantee that it would sound remarkably like the first album even more so than it already does. Maybe even better. This is the tone.
@junkerde One last thing. Don't forget about VH 2. Virtually the same setup, but VH2 doesn't sound like VH1. Why not? Same player. Practically the same gear. The way he's captured this here sounds more like VH2 than VH1. But again, that's not the amp. It's all those other little differences previously outlined. Hell, even the differences between the rooms that the tones were capture in makes a huge difference. You probably get my point. I'll shut up now. lol ; )
wow..that was alot! anyways i never knew someone else would play for him. i knew he used an ibanez destroyer on one of the tracks in vh1...but your right about the van halen 2 sounding thing. this and the van halen II sound has that marshall sound (i cant really explain it. where VH1 sounds like some high gain amp and not a vintage marshall...idk.) to it just like this. I see what you mean....i guess this is as close as you can get! great tone though! wouldnt mind my plexi being modded.
@junkerde "anyways i never knew someone else would play for him."
? Not really picking up what you're laying down. lol
"this and the van halen II sound has that Marshall sound (i cant really explain it."
It's a Marshall tone, but a very modified, brown Marshall tone. Just like VH1. He's not using a lot of gain of VH1. Certainly not a lot of preamp. Only differences from VH1, VH2 and this track is what's been previously discussed.
@junkerde Yea, Van Halen 1 sounded more processed, partly cus it was. They soaked it with plate reverb, different EQs, compressors, and he ran a dummy load set up in the studio. For VH2 he didn't use a dummy load.
@junkerde Not to mention, if you really listen to "runnin' with the devil" it's actually a pretty soft and brown sound. Point is, David Bray is able to get very, very close to that original sound, without all the studio magic and hoops that Ed had to jump through. So much so, that if Bray mods had been around back then, Ed probably would have used them instead of trying to make his stock plexi sound like that.
This clip was done by Dave Bray with his equipment. Strat with 78 duncan pickup. I believe its a SM57 against the cloth and reverb added on the RH said after it was recorded dry. No effects other than that. Super sweet brown sound. 4x12 Greenbacks I think.
I had one done too and when I got it home it was ruined.No flexability and terrible compression all or nothing in a nutshell.I sold it.The Splawn was a disapointment too.I ended up with a dsl 401 that sounds better imho.A jcm 800 sounded better than all of them! But then tone is subjective.
Soldano88 3 days ago
NO.........No.....NO.... when will you stupid Monkey's learn .BUY a Bugera or Peavey and leave the Marshalls STOCK, you are not EVH
rbehm 1 week ago
If you read you will know that Eddies plexi was the house amp at a club. I'm sure it was just cranked on some smaller gigs that we will never hear and will never be able to A/B the sound against what we know. Anything bigger than a club, it was mic'd up into a mixer/PA. Most of the amps Ed used in the 78-up tours were later 100w amps from the late 70s early 80s. They had more gain and sounded better live. Reverb adds ALOT. Ever see an early100w with reverb? NOPE. Eds recording all do. Hmmmmm.
2mnygtrz 2 weeks ago
I have a 73 JMP 50 myself, which is bone stock...Completely cranked, I can't even get that kind of tone out of it. I can't decide if that's a good thing or not...HAHA
chuckelator 1 month ago
@2mnygtrz Totally right, most of the original brown sound texture comes from tape saturation, i.e. recording the cranked Marshall on TAPE above 0 db. This simple trick shook the world in 1978 and still does! Most people don't know yet Eddie was using a stock Marshall Plexi powered by a Variac at around 90 volts and an old MXR Micro Amp pedal to boost the guitar's signal.
andrew13758 2 months ago
Speakers? What Kind of speakers did you use for this brown sound? I just bought a '74 super lead MKII.. I need to know the best speakers and the best cabs. Anybody can reply to this message.
azombiestool 2 months ago
@azombiestool Use the same as Eddie, a Marshall cab with 25 watt greenback, pre rola Celestions. It will cost you quite some money, but that is the closest thing. AND early Marshall cabs had slightly different build features, most notably a bigger chunk of wood keeping the baffle and back panel firm. I remember opening a new 1978 cab and noticing the smaller, poorly screwed square wood bar and the whole thing smelled pinewood, too! My earlier 1968 cabs had totally dried wood, in 1978. Good luck!
andrew13758 2 months ago
LOVE the stereo reverb you got on it this track!
Howd you accomplish that? I guess im asking what was the signal chain from mic, to audio file.
azombiestool 3 months ago
Well Done for a Mod !! SMokes...........
getbackgoodtimes 4 months ago
I'm new to all these plexis. Do you run a distortion pedal or anything through them or are they just packed with gain?
PGROSYE02 4 months ago
@PGROSYE02 NO PEDALS...JUST EXPERTLY RECORDED. Most Plexis sound great as is but you have to record them properly to get this EVH brown sound. EVHs amp sounded terrible but in the studio, Don Landee and Ted Templeton made it sound awesome.... the fingers didnt hurt either..
2mnygtrz 4 months ago
@2mnygtrz With all due respect but that's BS man, the sound has to be there before you start recording. Sure you can make a crappy amp sound okay, and definately when it's in a mix with other instruments, but a studio doesn't perform miracles.
jessemaes1990 2 months ago
@jessemaes1990 Do you own one? If you did you would know better. If you take this amp and just plug in , it sounds nothing like the recording. Every clip you hear with a EVH style marshall that NAILS the sound has been recorded and then had reverb added AFTER the track was recorded dry. I have 4 and none nail the sound unless recorded. I know not a single Marshall owner who has this sound without recording it.
2mnygtrz 2 months ago
@2mnygtrz so tell me how VH played some gigs in clubs, or even big stage gigs, huh?
futarydary 2 weeks ago
You mean to tell me if I send you my 74 non-MV, you can get it to sound like this?
Saventry 5 months ago
This is true brown sound!
MrBeams1 5 months ago
My God, Its the best thing ive ever heard in my life
mustkillbarney121 6 months ago
how do mods actually work (stupid question)
LOMAZ5150 6 months ago
The variac did make the EVH plexi super hot and cranked to the max.
It did make the power tube work so hard that they did not last too long.
but what a sound the best in my opinion so fruity rich in harmonics lot's of gain but not fizzy or thin ! with great definition the holy grail of rock tone !
even the 5150 and the newer EVH amps are not as good in my opinion !
MarcBenham 6 months ago
really cool sound nothing can't beat those Marshall for crunchiness !
MarcBenham 6 months ago
when u can go from chimey clean to smokin' distortion with just a twist of the volume knob..........you know u got a special amp.
rw5791 6 months ago 3
How about a clip of what it really sounds like, not the clip Bray sent you?
msgscout007 7 months ago
@msgscout007 sold amp the ,sorry.
2mnygtrz 7 months ago
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hirskdubbi 7 months ago
@2mnygtrz that good eh?.. Seriously a stock Plexi loaded and slaved into power amp is definitely the sound EVH had on the first album.. The Cerrem mod isn't far off either but I don't think he did that mod to be fair..
ukwan 1 month ago
@msgscout007 im curious,what makes u say that?
hirskdubbi 7 months ago
a playboy centerfold is in order!
ChrisvonChamier 7 months ago
damn this sounds good,i just cant take it!
hirskdubbi 7 months ago
how was this recorded??
hirskdubbi 8 months ago
@hirskdubbi
I believe it was a vintage greenback cabinet with a SM57 mic. A little reverb added to the RH side only.
2mnygtrz 8 months ago
you may have answered this somewhere along the way but what mic did you use for recording those sweet sounds?
hirskdubbi 8 months ago
I think this amp sound better than the ROckstah, but everyone seems to disagree...This one just sounds so powerfull. It feels meaty
charles4hl 8 months ago
@charles4hl
Thanks! I think Mark does a fantastic job in getting the EVH sound. Alot of it is in the fingers, recording setup and of course the mod but all have to work together. Every Marshall is a bit different in sound anyways but sometimes when modding, the nail gets hit right on the head like with this amp.
2mnygtrz 8 months ago
@charles4hl I think the Rockstah is better..
evhfrankie 8 months ago
@evhfrankie rockstah sounds plastic to me, too much reverb. this on the other hand feels like a train hitting your face and thats a goooood thing
charles4hl 8 months ago
@charles4hl I have heard several of Marks soundclips and yes, some have more reverb but others sound as close as this clip sounds.
2mnygtrz 8 months ago
@charles4hl I have heard several of Marks soundclips and yes, some have more reverb but others sound as close as this clip sounds to EVH 1 and 2.
2mnygtrz 8 months ago
modding a '73 super lead??? I hope that thing was already trashed before modding it. You want a hopped up amp, buy a hopped up amp.....all we have here is a lost classic now.
twintriode 8 months ago
@twintriode
It already had extra chassis holes, mods, etc. I wouldnt dare tear up a good one.
2mnygtrz 8 months ago
@twintriode u so silly
hirskdubbi 8 months ago
this amp sounds good. Mark
RockstahAmps 8 months ago
@RockstahAmps . Thanks Mark A. You know who I am and I think you know about this amp more than most...
2mnygtrz 8 months ago
All this modding nonsense and then we find out from both John Suhr and Dave Friedman that the amp was bone stock.
DarthKazi 8 months ago
@DarthKazi The sound is in the fingers gentleman...the fingers.........
2mnygtrz 8 months ago 8
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dnabiologic 5 months ago
@2mnygtrz maybe the sound is in the amp and the tone in the fingers...?
FingerLickinGravy67 5 months ago
@2mnygtrz you're right in a very big way but if he would have used a line 6, or even a Engl tube amp, it wouldn't have sounded any where as close to Van Halen's tone as this. Tone helps.
nunmoreblak 2 months ago
@DarthKazi Most agree, he used a variac and a load box. Those modifed the tone. Most arguments center around a resister across the primaries along with a master volume on the back of the amp; Cerrem's Mod. In the studio for VHI, there's a pic of Ed's amp and you can see the back and there looks like a volume knob of some sort.
It's all up for debate, plenty of people will argue it was modified.
Yo!
YoBroMan 7 months ago
@YoBroMan there u go,well said.that amp on vh1 sure doesnt sound stock
hirskdubbi 7 months ago
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dnabiologic 5 months ago
@DarthKazi
ask Jose Arrendondo about the mods he made on Ed's amps
stebonar 4 months ago
@stebonar I would but he died 30 years ago. As I said, his amps were examined by two very respected and prominent amp techs and they said it was "basically" stock. Suhr said his cap values may have been altered on his tone pots, preamp tubes and phase inverter, but he also said it could have just been a fluke, since Marshalls were basically put together with whatever parts were available at the shop at the time of the build. Ed's tone is in his hands and heart.
DarthKazi 4 months ago
@DarthKazi An Interview with Eddie in 1990 or so, thay asked about his 100w Marshall and he denies ANY mods. No Variac, extra tubes, bs,etc.. However, Ed did say that amp went a period where it ate output transformers alot. So, something was happening post-phase inverter in the output circuit. Its magical nonetheless.
tednugentlives 2 months ago
@DarthKazi Marshall had a batch of filter caps with a different value than what was being used at the time. He used those on amps with serial numbers starting with 12. Eddie's amp is from that series. You are right, the values were different. But that only started happening with serial number stating with 12.
UncleTito72 2 months ago
too many plexi videos. ahhh. i want a one of these
cavvogel 9 months ago
what is? what kind of mod is?
Aniva66 9 months ago
@Aniva66 David Bray "Mod 1"
2mnygtrz 8 months ago
the amp is hell good modded. this mod is far the best mod i have ever seen (after SIR #36, #39)
good job man.
CryWahWah 9 months ago
this does sound fuckin sweet
hirskdubbi 9 months ago
One of my slp mods is like this but I did it myself, I have documented and engineered the mod and since sold the amp
2368CHRIS 10 months ago
dude fuckin epic mod
willybumbum35 10 months ago
The Rockstah Mod 5 sounds way closer to EVH. Just my opinion...
DRQ5150 11 months ago
@DRQ5150 Marks amps sound great too. There ar tons of replicas that sound like EVH. Alot of this sound id how its recorded. None of them sound like EVH dry with no reverb.
2mnygtrz 11 months ago
@2mnygtrz thats a VERY good point dude
satchbooggy 11 months ago
@satchbooggy Thanks Satch. Sometimes the truth hurts the ones that are not aware. As far as EVH mods...most of these guys think that you send the amp to get modded and it comes back 100% with that sound . They do not take into consideration things like "Early Marshalls don't have reverb". What do they think...Eddie walked into the studio with his amp, plugged in, and pressed RECORD? (Remeber Eds reverb tank , THE BOMB ?) lol!
2mnygtrz 11 months ago
@2mnygtrz ive always used modeling gear to mask my playing. the truth is much more goes into making these amps sound "brown" Hand tone (which eddie has ) makes all the difference in my opinion. Dave Bray makes his own amps sound amazing.
satchbooggy 11 months ago
@DRQ5150 dude the rockstah mod5 is amazing
hirskdubbi 10 months ago
@DRQ5150 theyre both so very kick ass
hirskdubbi 8 months ago
Guitar and pickup plz?
devlee 11 months ago
Hey do me a big favor and send this amp to EVH to use for the new record! It is really about time eddie got a great marshall tone again? this amp modded by bray is killer.
charvelstrat81 11 months ago
@charvelstrat81 The next time Eddie stopps by I will force it on him...LOL
This amp has all the goodies that Eddies amp should have had..... and its quiet too.
2mnygtrz 11 months ago
What killer tone!
TheDonnytomlinson 11 months ago
@TheDonnytomlinson
Yeah..... it's the best of the all amps that I have heard from Bray....
2mnygtrz 11 months ago
40 likes and 1 dislike but that's only cuz he brown himself!
gtrslgr 11 months ago
wow!
acdc933ty 1 year ago
What kind of cab are you playing through?
viss001 1 year ago
@viss001 I belive it was a greenback marshall cab
2mnygtrz 11 months ago
I hate to admit it :( ....that tone is friggin' awesome.
Saying that goes against everything I'm about, being a hater and all...but you've got to call a spade a spade.
Unbelievably awesome tone.
ImTheNo1Hater 1 year ago
si a este ampli le agregas canciones de guns n roses tambien sonaria con exactitud al sonido de la gibson derrig 1959 les paul de slash
ya que la calidad de este sonido es muy paresido al del Marshall SuperTremolo 1973
MrXFlashX 1 year ago
i can not spot a weakness in that tone
gargano3000 1 year ago
@gargano3000 Me either brother!!
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
oh, and how much did you pay for that mod?
HBK1337 1 year ago
@HBK1337 ABout 700.00 with shipping both ways.
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
Wow. Amazing.
HBK1337 1 year ago
Um, that's just, well... blistering tone.
Very nice
socratescafe 1 year ago
amazing tone
fenderstratjourney 1 year ago
Oh Oh! I want to hear Dance The Night Away!!!! That to me is Eddie's best tone ever.
Hey I'm moving to Yucca Valley soon. I'll be bringing my Marshalls with me. Get the soldering iron hot!
1971SuperLead 1 year ago
this tone is sexually satisfying. Playboy should have marathons of this video all day.
alsharpton666 1 year ago 12
@alsharpton666 Agreed!!
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
Perfect.
Prestostark 1 year ago
Great sounding amp, man.
svarthelikoptern 1 year ago
Your bray really rocks, Its just downright awesome! I think dave brays mods are the best and most useable and versatile. I have a marshall jmp 50watter that he modded with mod 1 and dual master volumes for leads and it is the best sounding amp I have owned and the dual masters is priceless when playing live, I couldnt live without it! There are others trying to copy brays mods but they dont sound as good
joepete77 1 year ago
@joepete77
I agree. His are the best. When you put the right resistor and capacitor values in the right places, you get a killer result. I took alot of pics of the inside after I got it back. I am building one of my own replicas and will do the same mod. Hopefully it will sound as good.
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
Yeah, I will eventually get another one from Dave Bray. His new BRAY amps are killer. He doesn't hack the old ones up with rediculous mods to get this sound. Some resistor and capacitor changes in the right places make all the difference. Marshalls already have alot of the brown sound in them. Eddies was basically stock with only minor resistor changes during routine service. Old Marshalls sound great and Bray just brings out the best in each amp. Still sounds like a Marshall, just better.
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
that is the brownsound
gypsyseagod 1 year ago
F***ing AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NickMass35 1 year ago
Incredible sound, Dave's mods are amazing.
Buzzedd777 1 year ago
i dont really know what has happened to ur amp but has some guy modded it? has he modded it to the evh brown sound or sommet? or can u get the tone without modding it?
bailey32121 1 year ago
great tone!!
have Bray added an extra preamp tube?
GiacomoGhezzi23 1 year ago
@GiacomoGhezzi23
No extra tubes.
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
is this with the gain all the way up?
Luckums135 1 year ago
@Luckums135
I believe it was dimed. The bass was back a tad when I received it but I believe Dave told be he dimed it for the recording.
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
Just spoke with dave bray, and I am packing my 75 jmp 1987 up to have him do his mod 1 along with the vintage/hot switch and the dual sound mod also along with the overall master volume on the back. I hope it turns out as good as yours sounds here! I was a little nervous with modding my original marshall but after hearing some of these clips I feel confident that I will love it!
kaycikissable 1 year ago
i have jmp 1977, i dont know much about electronics but you're saying that with a few resistor changes i can have drive on my amp ?
dzohusafetw 1 year ago
@dzohusafetw
Thats basically what I got back in a bag when he did mine. A small batch of original resistors, a mustard capacitor, and a couple of the stock mica capacitors. By changing the resistance in some areas ity changes the tone, gain and overall sound.
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
@2mnygtrz What did he do for mods? It sounds great.
theShowStopper321 1 year ago
how else is ther to get gain from vintage marshalls without pedals?
JONNYmcLAUGHLIN 1 year ago
@JONNYmcLAUGHLIN
Only way is to change a few resistors on the board.
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
@JONNYmcLAUGHLIN
You get it with resistor changes on the board. The early 70s superleads already have more gain. Only difference is a few resistor values.
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
I wonder if david bray actually records these demos with each individual amp before sending it back to the customer or if he just burns a copy of the same old track from a similarly modded amp of his?? Either way, everything I heard from brays mods sound awesome! I have heard clips of marshalls modded by voodoo and fja and they sound very heavy metal with the fja modded tone sounding both heavy metal and sterile, I guess thats the point though probably but it doesnt sound like a plexi
joepete77 1 year ago
@joepete77
Yes he records all of them. He will keep recording MP3s for you until your happy with the sound. He nailed mine 1st time out. Also, I have heard aboiut 50 different clips from different amps and have never heard the exact same thing. When buyers ask for EVH , Dave will play a common list of EVH riffs so you can hear the familiar tones in the amp.
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
Sounds just like the first Van Halen record. I have a 90's Classic 30 reissue from Peavey and I can get close to this tone through my fat strat, but you nailed it! Nice job!
djmixer7 1 year ago
Just got my EVH 5150 III dialed in an will posting some vids with a new Les Paul Standard.
Highy recommended. Very "Marshall like" but tighter with more control. NO effects needed (Mabey a little delay) I'm using a Electro Harmonix
"Deluxe Memeory Man" delay. Thats it. The EVH has TONS of gain and distortion. Channel 1 Clean, Channel 2 Dirty, Channel 3 over the top. I ONLY use Channel 2 and its ENOUGH. Check back soon for the clip.
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
i believe david bray is playing in this demo , he was in mine, sounds identical
busteroo7 1 year ago
Did you get the push/pull gain mod too or a mid boost? I've been chatting with D.B. and am getting ready to do the plunge too
indeedido 1 year ago
Nope just the Mod I and the MV. You cant go wrong with DB.
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
@2mnygtrz Can you get it without the master volume
Taygoo15 1 year ago
yeah, he ads it for free with the mod if you want it.
2mnygtrz 1 year ago
@indeedido I'm selling my mint condition Plexi 1959SLP 100w head on ebay that has the exact same mod as this amp, if you're interested.
Item number:190388642314
ChrisTheShred 1 year ago
Awesome! Rich VH tone.
Guitarsoloist1 1 year ago
I here VH in that tone somewhere between the fingers and amp your nailing it.
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smeagma 1 year ago
BTW...yngvaigilbsteen...I want that name...LOL Pretty much says it all.
2mnygtrz 2 years ago
Daves mod was about 5-600.00 including a master volume (free with mod) With all the shipping back and forth I spent about 700.00 +/-.
2mnygtrz 2 years ago
Yeah, David Bray is a genious when it come to doing the right VH mods. What most people don't realize is that an original, stock 67/68 Marshall Superlead is what EVH used. The only thing changed on his amp over the years were a few resistors and capacitors, only when he had it serviced. To get this sound you have to ad reverb, dealy etc? Bray records the DRY amp and ads reverb to get this sound on the MP3. Basically what EVH did in the studio. Remember, STOCK MARSHALL = NO EFFECTS, NO REVERB.
2mnygtrz 2 years ago
Amazing but just a little bit too much gain for van halen. turn the volume down just one or two notchs and you've nailed it.
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smeagma 1 year ago
Wow, what a great tone!
Yo!
YoBroMan 2 years ago
...uh...holy...shit! I almost cant belive it! How in the world would someone go about achieving this sound, and how much does it cost???
-Tyler
lisannhodges67 2 years ago
I just think this amp has much more of the EVH VH1-2 sound than any other Marshall on Youtube or Dave Bray's site. The 71-73 Superleads already had more gain than the 67-68 Plexi that Eddie used. I have heard all of them on this site. If you listed to Runnin with the Devil and listen to this MP3, they are 99% dead nuts on.
2mnygtrz 2 years ago
i dont know what junkerde is talkin bout..i think this is the brown sound. it does have that edge to it....i think if it had more presence...but remember this is daves settings....so yeah...you could manipulate it
thojyout23 2 years ago
Sorry sold.
2mnygtrz 2 years ago
i wouldnt say evh tone. it has glots of gain....but isnt close.
junkerde 2 years ago 2
No offense but...I dont know how much closer to EVH VH1 you would like to hear. It's almost dead nuts on.
2mnygtrz 2 years ago
more crunchyness and presence would probably do good.
junkerde 2 years ago
@junkerde Yeah, that's about as close as you're going to get to VH...aside from the capture job and studio magic, of course....which has nothing to do with the amp. In fact, from all the old bootleg VH clips I've hear...this actually sounds better than
Ed's amp. It's only after it's been produced that Ed's tone was so killer.
yngvaigilbsteen 2 years ago
but hose were bootlegs..i mean the album tone. that is a killer tone....this tone is good its just it needs that edge and CRUNCHINESS and presence.....this soundclip is smoother and less crunchy then evh's tone...i wouldnt say it nails evhs tone but id say its a great sound for some other stuff.
junkerde 2 years ago
@junkerde You've proven my point....no offense
: ) if it's the album tone you like so much (that silky smooth brightness and monster attack and hugness)....realize, that's studio magic (plus fx) and a different player. This is closer to Ed's amp...than Ed's amp.
yngvaigilbsteen 2 years ago
yes..i think thats the only one on the van halen 1 track with the softer tone..but when it starts eruption then so on...the tone CHANGES drastically..so much gain and crunch and edge to it. i never said this tone was bad..i jsut said its not really van halen 1 tone..but its great!
junkerde 2 years ago
@junkerde Also, don't discount the fact that the amp is going to change based on how long the recording session went that day. Tubes and voice coils and paper cones heat up...sound changes. Different temp and humidity content in the studio that day...tone changes. The changes that you're hearing are everyday changes that always occur. There are a number of different factors that make up a guitar tone.
yngvaigilbsteen 2 years ago
lol a different player??? are u serious? ok eruption was made by some random guy and eddie is credited with it.
junkerde 2 years ago 3
@junkerde LOL no. Ed is a different player than what you're hearing on this track. The player makes a huge difference.
The tone doesn't change drastically. It's still the same setup with the same capture job. What you're hearing is differences in the way Ed is playing on a very responsive tone. It's very easy to change the tone just by the way you play. AND don't forget about the different guitars he used on the album. Also, Eruption was right/left. The other track were panned hard
yngvaigilbsteen 2 years ago
@junkerde This amp, however...is as close as you're going to get. In other words, this IS the tone. Any other differences you are hearing...is not the amp's fault. If you could recreate the exact circumstances under which the album was recorded and make Ed himself play on this amp the same way he did back then...with the same gear. I guarantee that it would sound remarkably like the first album even more so than it already does. Maybe even better. This is the tone.
yngvaigilbsteen 2 years ago
@junkerde One last thing. Don't forget about VH 2. Virtually the same setup, but VH2 doesn't sound like VH1. Why not? Same player. Practically the same gear. The way he's captured this here sounds more like VH2 than VH1. But again, that's not the amp. It's all those other little differences previously outlined. Hell, even the differences between the rooms that the tones were capture in makes a huge difference. You probably get my point. I'll shut up now. lol ; )
yngvaigilbsteen 2 years ago
wow..that was alot! anyways i never knew someone else would play for him. i knew he used an ibanez destroyer on one of the tracks in vh1...but your right about the van halen 2 sounding thing. this and the van halen II sound has that marshall sound (i cant really explain it. where VH1 sounds like some high gain amp and not a vintage marshall...idk.) to it just like this. I see what you mean....i guess this is as close as you can get! great tone though! wouldnt mind my plexi being modded.
junkerde 2 years ago 2
@junkerde "anyways i never knew someone else would play for him."
? Not really picking up what you're laying down. lol
"this and the van halen II sound has that Marshall sound (i cant really explain it."
It's a Marshall tone, but a very modified, brown Marshall tone. Just like VH1. He's not using a lot of gain of VH1. Certainly not a lot of preamp. Only differences from VH1, VH2 and this track is what's been previously discussed.
yngvaigilbsteen 2 years ago
@junkerde Yea, Van Halen 1 sounded more processed, partly cus it was. They soaked it with plate reverb, different EQs, compressors, and he ran a dummy load set up in the studio. For VH2 he didn't use a dummy load.
theShowStopper321 1 year ago
@junkerde Not to mention, if you really listen to "runnin' with the devil" it's actually a pretty soft and brown sound. Point is, David Bray is able to get very, very close to that original sound, without all the studio magic and hoops that Ed had to jump through. So much so, that if Bray mods had been around back then, Ed probably would have used them instead of trying to make his stock plexi sound like that.
yngvaigilbsteen 2 years ago
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!
what cab and mic did you use for this recording?
Did you use any attenuation or master volume on this clip?
Sweet as hell!
shooooota 2 years ago
This clip was done by Dave Bray with his equipment. Strat with 78 duncan pickup. I believe its a SM57 against the cloth and reverb added on the RH said after it was recorded dry. No effects other than that. Super sweet brown sound. 4x12 Greenbacks I think.
2mnygtrz 2 years ago
how much
bailey12444 2 years ago
This one is for sale . Just doesnt get enough use.
2mnygtrz 2 years ago
Just saw your reply....how much are you asking for your amp?
mcafeeda 2 years ago
@2mnygtrz How much are you selling it for?
yngvaigilbsteen 2 years ago
Wow-I'm sold on the David Bray mod. I'm sending my Marshall off this week.
mcafeeda 2 years ago
Yes stock trannys and stock Daly caps
2mnygtrz 2 years ago
Nice does it have stock transformers?
lidesnowi 2 years ago