Can u tell how much passion he reveals? Man, these bitches should‘a given him some, but its the same thing now: if ur not 'cool' (retarded) u never get laid.
A friedrich nietzsche le paso lo mismo que a Iván de la novela ''Los hermanos Karamazov'' de Fiódor Dostoyevski .... se volvio loco. Y CREO QUE FUE POR LA MISMA CAUSA. Pero es raro que haya sido por eso cuando el leyo esa novela.
Creo que eso sera motivo de estudio para mi, ya que o refutare mi tesis o la comprobare. =)
and who are you to say that nietzche didnt give the world much, he gives his life because of the humanity with his objetives, and what do you do for the world?
Bertrand Russel, who Wittgenstein smited for his misunderstood intro to Tractatus? You dare to say he's given the world something as 'good' as Thus Spake Zarathustra (not to mention the other gold this 'man' produced)?
Off with you clown; for you are undoubtedly another indoctrinated regurgitator of modern liberal academia, who is certainly no friend to abrasive truth of Nietzsche, even those who claim to like him are mostly status-quo cowards who'd dare not speak against it.
@Baseliner I'm not going to rant about bertrand russel, but Nietzsche didn't give the world much. He asked ppl to question things like many other philosophers. But he went to far to the point of condemning ideas that generally benefit mankind. Hes mediocre at best. The most valuable creations of man are systems that man can use to progress. Nietzsche was anti-systematic. That's dumb. The only conceptual frameworks he put forward are a joke - ubermench, will to power, eternal return. Mediocre.
@mongoliafab yes, i believe it is a joke, because power isn't the fundamental requirement of happiness. men want meaning more than they want power. picture a man with infinite power all by himself - you would witness sadness. men want meaning and meaning is social. people want to be special. power is only one way to achieve meaning, so the will to power gives us only a secondary understanding of the will of men. its like saying all men want money - it's true but it doesn't tell us much.
@MrClockw3rk Single celled lifeforms don't look for meaning, they look for sustenance. This is true for all life and all things that exist in the universe; they were at this long before man's crude thinking processes ever came into being. Inasmuch as Nietzsche was a philosopher, he also understood that philosophy itself is decidant. It may be an act by a weak organism to vicariously live out its fantasies.
@tiakpark Firstly if philosophy and, by association, the debates around philosophy (like this one) are an act, then we are both doing some great acting. secondly, we aren't single celled lifeforms. read up on maslow's hierarchy - people's drives depend on their socio-economic status, their level of freedom, their level of intellectual and emotional development etc. As an example, people in concentration camps probably don't create much art or do much philosophizing. people are not 1 dimensional
@MrClockw3rk Herd like people who only want meaning and comfort and security will only make themselves into raw materials to be used by higher entities, and the will be happily used up. It's ironic that morality, which makes men cleave to "meaning" and other such fancies out of revolt against all masters, would only make more slaves out of men.
Life does not need meaning. Life is its own justification and it will live on eternally, no matter what nihilistic ends man may invent. No good or evil.
@tiakpark and i disagree that people who look for meaning necessarily exhibit herd behavior or complacency towards being used as raw materials. There are plenty of people, like myself, who create meaning for themselves by producing (such as building a business), without either becoming a cog or requiring cogs to operate that business. Yet, I still want meaning, and for me, power is one method of achieving it. Others include civil service, the pursuit of knowledge in the sciences etc.
@MrClockw3rk Another thing I want to know is why you feel the need to divorce "meaning" from "power." Why divorce meaning from the work itself? Are they not one and the same? Even when people try to get one-up in an argument its still will to power. I know that because I saw on an earlier post that you said Nietzsche was "mediocre." That's a strong word. Are you absolutely sure you feel that way? Can you back up your arguments?
@tiakpark and yes, I do genuinely think Nietzsche was mediocre, especially in terms of what intellectual tools he gave humanity to progress. His work mostly tears down descent conceptual frameworks, yet, he proposes very few frameworks himself. The importance of that fact i think is extreme. The hardest thing for an intellectual to do is create a viable conceptual framework. It is intellectually minor to rip apart concepts that inevitably have holes. Strong intellectuals propose models.
@MrClockw3rk If you read Nietzsche more, you'd know he didn't give man any framework because he believed frameworks were already in existence, but were torn apart by Christianity's advent. He praises the work of the Romans and their empire which he believed could have lasted another thousand years. He praises the Jewish people for their strength and determination. He praises the Moors of spain for their manliness and intellectuallity.
Frameworks already existed. Modernity tore them down.
@tiakpark i dont think the problem is my reading of nietzsche. for all the qualities he praised, he said nothing of how to acquire them, which is the hard work. i would say that modernity has aided in the creation of probably more frameworks than it has torn down, or, more likely, replaced. but if as a student of philosophy and the humanities, you haven't looked for the existence or benefits of those frameworks, i could understand the misunderstanding of their value.
@MrClockw3rk Also, what's with the constant use of the word "progress"? What constitutes "progress"? Do you and other progressives even have the wherewithall to define it when you take mankind's destiny into your spectrum? Again, it's the conceited belief that, not only man is the measure and meaning of things but that mordern society too is the measure and meaning of human civilzation. The conceit of myopic liberals who have the audacity to say they and they alone know what progress is.
@tiakpark as for progress, while i dont think i could define every aspect of it in detail in a youtube post, i think it would be ridiculous to claim nobody has any idea of what that is or whether we achieving it in some ways. Humans are more intelligent than previous generations and the proof is the quality of healthcare, the moral landscape of society, institutions for opportunity like schools etc. I don't think that's even worth debating.
@MrClockw3rk Another thing. You can disagree with Nietzsche buy don't call him mediocre. Any philosophically trained university professor would have to slap you across the face for your arrogance and audacity.
Personally, I don't like Karl Marx one bit, but I don't believe he was mediocre. He must have been remarkable to shap human events that much. Don't feign haugtiness when don't know what the hell you're talking about. It impresses no one and make you look like a mental midget.
@tiakpark i call him mediocre as a way to point out that there are far more admirable sources of intellectual strength and determination. It makes perfect sense to me that you wouldn't think of Karl Marx as mediocre since he bothered to propose a model (regardless of its correctness) rather than simply tear down capitalism from the sidelines. I also don't agree with Karl Marx, but im much more inclined to respect his efforts.
@MrClockw3rk Read Thus Spoke Zarathustra and tell me if that's not a source of infinite intellectual strength.
I have enjoyed this conversation more than you know. You're definetly smart, but I hope you don't stop asking questions, particularly on what you believe. I began reading Nietzsche because I ask myself a lot of painful questions that modern society has no answer to.
And know that just because I say man has no meaning in of itself it doesn't mean I'm misantrhopic. Misanthropy is a vice
@MrClockw3rk I read this while waiting for the video to load, and I simply cannot refrain, but, well...EXCUSE ME? Please, please, please explain to me any concrete model of communism that Marx actually proposed. Because as I recall, he only provided a handful of loose and vague prescriptions as to how the state should be run once Capitalism was felled. He was and remains such a prodigal thinker precisely because of his incisive critique of Capitalism.
@MrClockw3rk OK, so I read a little more of your quibble with tiakpark and I am sorry to say that neither of you really seems to have a grasp of Nietzsche's philosophy (big surprise!). Does that not strike you as absurd? Two people arguing over something of which neither have an understanding? tiakpark is (half)right about one thing - you must Read! But you must also Digest. This seems to be what tiakpark is lacking and why he misconstrues Nietzsche on many points.
@Peteromich in a nutshell, my problem with Nietzsche's is that he believes men's wills can be summed up as the most raw denominator of the most ancient area of our brain (the amygdala). He shows us the strength of anger, passion, competition, manipulation and force while minimizing by implication the value of group intelligence, cooperation, virtue and trust.
@MrClockw3rk If this is how you view Nietzsche, you've been misinformed. He didn't simply state: Anger is good, Passion is good, everyone should be in fierce competition with each other. He certainly didn't minimize the value of trust and virtue. This is a crude misconception that is all too easy to make. In fact, it is the most commonly found conception of Nietzsche. So, if you're problem is with this view then that is fine, but it really has little or nothing to do with Nietzsche's ideas.
@MrClockw3rk And also, you say people aren't necessarily driven by herd behavior or complacency, and yet you say a person's socio-economic status determines their level of intellectual growth. That's seem kinda like a double-standard. Are people free or not? Are they play things of the world or do they have a will of their own?
@tiakpark everyone is to some extent driven by the herd mentality, but that's different than saying everyone is driven just as often, just the same way, and in all the same cases. sometimes relying on the info of others is good, sometimes bad, and so the goal of intellectual would be to help society tell the difference. but the hard work is proposing a model for how one should think that's better than the current model. i don't believe nietzsche achieves that in any remarkable way.
@tiakpark the nihilism you mentioned comes from ppl failing to find meaning when they instead should be creating it by producing something that will live on in their place. This could be art, new theories or ways to think, businesses that produce products ppl would have never had access to (like microfinance institutions that help tens of thousands of poor people start a biz and earn their way out of poverty) etc. But most ppl dont produce, so they search, and they find products/entertainment
@MrClockw3rk That's a good point, so I don't understand why you have a problem with Nietzsche saying life is Will to Power. Everything you just said sounds like Will to Power. Nietzsche said that among the ancient Greeks, many of them were willing to sacrifice their lives for glory and honor; things that would live on after their death. What that said to him was that Will to Power was stronger than Will to Survive.
@tiakpark i have a problem with the idea that power is the most fundamental lens which which to view motivation. Sure, power is one model for describing it, but I don't believe it is the most powerful. It's subordinated to the need to justify existance - which isn't described using a power-centric model of human motivation. I only want power as a means to achieve specialness. It's a means to an end not an end itself. It's confusing causality with correlation (post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy).
@MrClockw3rk Your belief that "meaning" is more important than power is merely an anthropocentric one. Again, other forms of life from the simplist to the more complex don't search for meaning, they search for ways to repliacte themselves. Eternal Return understood as the will to procreate. Don't got me wrong, I love man because he can give meaning to himself, but man has no meaning in of himself, not anymore than any other animal.
"Meaning" is a human conceit, and an egocentric one at that.
@tiakpark first some neuroscience. humans have an area in their brains called a neocortex that allows them to process things in certain ways that often disqualify them from being simply defined by their base instincts. this is observable - people have moral codes, laws courses on ethics etc. It's with this same neocortex that we can construct meaning when (like you pointed out) we have none. But power is a tool. for apes it's a survival tool, for humans it's a tool for meaning.
@MrClockw3rk What do you think of the Olympics? A form created in ancient greek culture to achieve happiness, or to cope with the will to power? The will to overcome the other opponents? You should read the "Apollonian vs Dionysian" theory of Nietzsche. One of his first writings, but fairly a gate for ideas and thought. Maybe a considerable source to look into, regarding this discussion.
@mongoliafab yeah im familiar with his model for that, and I think that's a useful way to describe the conflicting desires of man. I'll also agree that the creation of the Olympics can be described as an outlet for a will to power. But, I still believe that will is a subset of a more fundamental need: meaning. Competition is still a tool to create a unique identity through achievements (we wouldn't compete if it didn't prove something about our worth to ourselves or others)
@MrClockw3rk What I think you mean is - somewhere along as humans developed a profound consciousness, our "will to growth" developed a second form of force, also a "will to meaning"? As to a meaningful search of higher-self besides the natural, instinctive will to power? If so, "meaning" is not more fundamental in any way up against Nietzsches "will to power" theory. Thus fundamental of all life forms
@Baseliner smited?... 'good'..... 'man'.... "off with you clown".... "dare not"..... did you just come from a renaissance fair or something? I think your metal helmet is picking up radio waves from space.
Well,adventoctober,i dont quite agree:Jazz music was made by niggers and its fantastic,especially instruemntal Jazz or smooth jazz,wchich is a mixture of classic Europan music with something knew.
And what would a nation,or an army,or a familly ACHIEVE,if they werent helping one another?Nothing.Being egoistic and thinking onlly about yourself will make other people your enemies,as they will consider you someone who must be defeated before you defeat them.
If you have strong rules,Christian or not,and give good example to others,there is more chance to create true culture.When you will think like "Kill all the weaklings,dont help anyone!!!"etc.all people would hate another.
The concept that we humans should try to be something better,and become something like a god,a superhuman,is quite interesting,and it seems logical for Atheist (Altrough Atheists dont believe in gods,they have their own goals,and sometimes they can prove to be very usefull for all humanity)however in one of his last books he seemed obsessed with "weakness",and he has found it in everything that is not brute power.That ideology has no future:he considered helping other people a weakness.
Nietzsche - Has written the same thoughts that has been written to it - Dostoevsky.
Nietzsche - Wrote all thoughts - PARTS.... It did it because of "an emotional" pain...
Germans are NOT GERMANIC people, IN Y-DNA GERMANS ARE CELTS!!! At germans in DNA doesn't dominate german haplogroup I1, at germans dominates celtic haplogroup R1b ht tp://w w w. eupedia. com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups. shtml Germans ONLY USE GERMANIC LANGUAGE and GERMANIC CULTURE.
This work "Eine Sylvesternacht" was not composed for piano and cello, as you say here, but for violin and piano. What's more, the performance here is with violin, NOT cello.
wow, you're all too funny. i like how you're all trying to prove each other wrong with your knowledge. no one cares how smart you are, just listen to the music, if you don't like it, then x off the damn page and leave it be, but don't sit in front of the monitor battling someone you've never met. there's beautiful music (imo) playing and you're all arguing. you sicken me. and yeah yeah go ahead and reply to my comment and mention how immature my username is.
@AntiProUltra Because it sounded 'cool'? I don't think so. Nietzsche was German, but it's likely he had Polish or Polish/German ancestors. Poland was a part of east Germany (Prussia at the time, and that's where Nietzsche was born so it kind of makes sense after all).
Yes yes yes i understand you Nietzsche. Christianity is the real problem of human stupidity, right ? Give me a break, i could not even finish one book of yours, full with filth and madness towards one group of people.
The real reason of a falling Europe was because of people like you who destroyed every European tradition, culture and everything that gave us a unique identity.
No wonder why you never touched a woman in your entirely life, you miserable Masonic piece of shit.
Have you ever wondered that, maybe, you couldn't finish one of his books because you, let's say, lack in some basic cognitive powers that differ humans from apes?
It's not like I'm judging you, but your beautiful channel says it all.
@oknarbtal I finished some many others books in philosophy including Aristotle, Plato, Cioran, Evola, Gobineau, Spengler, Fukuyama, Aurelius, Hobbes and many many more.
Nietzsche is for wankers. Only blaming things, not a certain point of view.
Offtopic, but I just have to admit that you have quite a flattering channel. According to your explicite hatred towards different races and points of view, I deduce that you obviously haven't learned a thing from all those philosophers you've mentioned. Except maybe, Plato.
If you have trouble with comprehending Nietzsche, try Heidegger's interpretations of the key points of Nietzsche's philosophy: revaluation of all values, destruction, the overman, nihilism etc.
@oknarbtal My channel. I don't hate other people for their skin color, i hate them because of what they are standing up for. Subculture, drugs, Communism and other facts that makes no sense to talk about it. However this is not the topic.
The ''superman'' of Nietzsche makes no sense. Destroy everything in a world of nihilism where nothing makes sense, bash all the Gods in order to...create another one ? The Superhuman. Values are right next to you. See them, get them and bye nihilism.
Such a miserable figure that has become blind because he could not see the whole reality which is actually another reality that lying behind the reality he lived in.
I must correct your description of this work, "Eine Sylvestenacht" .Nietzsche composed it for violin and piano, not cello; it is played on a violin in the recording you offer here. Who are the artists? They are pretty good. As for my credentials: My recording of this work with violinist Nicholas Eanet (now first chair of the Juilliard Quartet) , as well as the solo piano, vocal and chamber works of Nietzsche, were the first (commercial) recordings of FN's music ever made (Newport Classics)
first time i have ever heard his music! he obviously had an ear for a dramatic tune, a fine little piece, though i presume Wagner must have thought it lightweight if he heard it or saw the score
the fucking screech at the beginning blew my mind, thanks to this I have realized what life is and broke free of the shackles that are human consciousness.
Shitty philosopher - his only problem was Christianity, like that is really the big issues of life. He bashed all Gods, but himself created another one.
A man that hated the Germans more than everything else. A sick and lonely fuck. I am wondering if he was a Jew.
Once again - a zero compared to Cioran, Marcus Aurelius , Julius Evola and others.
@RATMW In defense of Nietzsche, he did not create an version of any "god", rather a concept of the ideal man. He discredited the Germans a great deal this is granted if one reads his notes, but to say he created a "god" requires more than just a mere negative statement. The man was an enemy to all religion.
@RATMW I see, so the idea that the individual is a master of his own destiny wasn't radical for its time? It wasn't good enough, is that it? Or how about the encouragement of human progression? That's what "Thus spoke Zarathustra" was about. He alone would say three simple words and shake the very foundations of society: "God is Dead." And he's a shit philosopher, you say?
@Torkulguy Yes he was a shitty philosopher. Do you have an idea how many wrote about this way before Nietzsche ? True, using different words, but same ideology.
@RATMW He defined the idea. I'd like to see the texts that attempted to dismantle conventional society in the same manner Nietzsche did. Even if that were true, that's like saying Galileo is a shitty astronomer because Copernicus discovered the heliocentric model before him.
@Torkulguy The problem is simple. I study philosophy for more than 2 years and still. And i just don't like Nietzsche. The same way i don't like Freud.
To me is unbelievable what Marcus Aurelius wrote in 180 CE and many more after him. Nietzsche to me seems like a hopeless person stuck in a person that he never was. Simple as that.
@RATMW Why...You really don't give me much reason, you just state he's shit and hopeless. If your implying that his pessimism makes him weak, you'd be wrong. I mean, there have been many great writers and philosophers who were spiteful and angry, in fact most are! You are into philosophy; you must be familiar with the question 'why?'
@Torkulguy There is not much reason i can give you. His blame on Christianity is really absurd to me. Most of philosophers denied God , but they don't blame Christianity as the main factor in human degradation - mentally or physically - or living a useless life because they are Christians ( as Nietzsche does in many of his books ). Fine is absurd to believe in a guy in heaven but that's not really the downward spiral in life. That is the fact that i consider him a hopeless person.
@RATMW and Freud wasn't a bad philosopher or psychologist. It would come that certain things he said were wrong, but from that sprung great innovations in the field of psychology. Without Freud, we probably would have figured women a weak sex for a great while longer.
@Torkulguy It was also a great Spanish philosopher that wrote something : ''When people are trying so hard to achieve , to create something, they will fail completely to it''- Baltasar Gracian.
That is exactly what happened to Nietzsche to me. Keep focusing on one single theory one ideology and keep hung on it, till it become old and boring.
@RATMW That's not what I asked for, but I guess what I ask for is irrelevant. I find the idea that life is futile and what value that exists within it is a manifestation of the individual pretty fuckin' interesting. Being a master of your destiny, something that's quite the opposite of that Gracian quote, is pretty enlightening, and better yet, challenges religion and society. Nietzsche deserves credit for his contribution to Nihilism.
@Torkulguy Well far as i can see on your previous comments is that you asked me why i called him a ''shitty philosopher''. And i told you my opinion.
As a philosopher , he never did progress. Most of his books are based on the same ideology. Anyway , if you are interested in philosophy i can give you another name and you will understand why i dislike Nietzsche. Try Emil Cioran.
@RATMW Perhaps this difference in opinion is caused by your genuine interest in philosophy. I'm an english major, and yes philosophy and literature are integral, but you probably have more experience on it. Not having read Nietzsche and only understanding the significance it held in history, especially when it came at a time where the British Empire was collapsing, seemed so significant to me. I'll trust your recommendation and check Cioran out.
great mind but depressing philosophy. Last two books I read where about Kurt Cobain and Ian Curtis, both shared this mans opinions, both came to see life as meaningless and you know what happened next.
@cclarke10able What are you getting at? Neitzsche saw life as anything but meaningless! He saw what Christianity had done to his world; he saw the "meaninglessness of life" that Christianity infected the world with. He was againts the Nihilism of Christianity!
@danieljliversLXXXIX without a God-imposed morality, humanity is left to fend for itself when it comes to morality. Therefore, the tragic implications of Neitzsche's ideas such as 'Will to power' etc become most apparent, since the community with the most power tends to impose its "morality" on the rest. Adolf Hitler, after all, had a moral code - and at least six million Jews died as a result of it. 'The nihilism of christianity'.....thats a paradox if ever I heard one!
@cclarke10able Since 'God' is not an absolute authority on morality to begain with everything steems from our on perceptions. (Which god might I add?). With the death of God we need to form our own world; our own values. The power Nietzsche was talking about was psychological. It was the will to press on. He wasn't talking about political power or financial power.
@cclarke10able Christianity is Nihilism as far as Nietzsche was concerned. It's the denial of the life one has now, in the hope for a better life. The Greeks (and Nietzsche was partial to Greek thought) believed hope to be a great evil.
@danieljliversLXXXIX i understand why he thought the denial of life now for a life to come was nihilism......that is a fair point, but it all depends on whether you believe what Jesus said to be true. Also, theres a lot of things you dont have to deny yourself, you can still enjoy your life.....when Jesus said 'to gain your life you first have to lose it' he meant losing all the bad things and giving up time for other people, if you follow this principle you'll find your life will improve
@90000111 The name of the piece is "eine Sylvesternacht" and can be found on the CD: "Friedrich Nietzsche : Compositions of his Mature Years (1864-1882)"
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Nietszche was unspurpassed, the nicest man of his time, the only reason the love of his life went to another man was because of Nietszche's natural inferiority compared to the superiority of the other man, hence another reason why Nietszche rejected morality, because it LOST him his love, hence why Nietszche regards "will" as more existing than morality.
The end of the old truth is here... 'God Is Dead' means that mankind's beliefs about the 'Ideal World' have now been rejected... There never was a God, Life isn't directed to any real end but existence itself, which is free from any guilt and causality at all...
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No man ever said that god is dead, no man ever said that man is dead because of his own belifs that make him rotten and lost. Its an interesting point of view. Even the new man that he designs. but could he live in society, I think not but no certeinty can be justed in philosophy...
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Nietzsche let no legacy for mankind, his music is empty and dark like his legacy. An artist or scientist who have the chance to be a part of history must devote his work to the community to glorify mankind. He is an individualistic, nihilistic bastard and he had what he deserved in the end of his life.
the way of spirituality is bitter, for the honest one find no meaningful life. Religion is doing a better job then nihilism about the miss of good action of progress for mankind. Nihilism and religion are ennemies, but in fact they are both the same on alots of point, but specially useless for social and scientist progress of mankind.
You say "good" and "progress", but what is its meaning? I dare to ask.
Faith is the basis of all lies, yes I may be a miserable human being but in my eyes, lack of realization (or fear of realization) is the most pathetic and empty.
@LifeOfDelusion The lack of faith is not necessarily characteristic to the miserable, but rather to the one who aspires to learn, to surpass the bounds set by society, and to surpass the leeches, the drones all stumbling for a quick buck at the expense of their own humility.
Nietzsche was dark but he was also optimistic. It's the darker things that touch the soul.
But what you say about science and art only existing to glorify man, I not only disagree but think that that is shallow. Science is about observing the world and realizing what we are. Not hiding in some comfortable delusion. Art is about expressing our happieness, anger, and sorrow. You want to glorify man yet say that he deserved his madness?
in his book "Human , too Human" he seems to support science against religion and (even ) art. But in his earlier and also in his later period , his thoughts were very different. Personally, I like better the late Nietzche: more prophetic and metaphysical.
@henseltetude he abandoned metaphysical thought later. he tried to solve nihilism with the greek tragedy. but because the only world that exists is the apparent one he had to abandon that idea.
nice music, Nietzsche was very important and right now too
yoSinDios 1 week ago
I hope Jesus will suffer him rightly in the bosom of his LOVE.
Piccolo7126 3 months ago
i heard this guy had a little girl fetish and went crazy for getting it up his ass.
YouBeMadlol 4 months ago
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YouBeMadlol 4 months ago
I am having troubling experiencing the dionysian.
KrfNYC2 4 months ago
Delightful, indeed.
Can u tell how much passion he reveals? Man, these bitches should‘a given him some, but its the same thing now: if ur not 'cool' (retarded) u never get laid.
nietzschele 4 months ago
LONG LIVE THE KING ♥
I LOOVEE NIETZSCHE SO MUCH ♥♥♥♡♡♡♡♡♡
suicidalbitchh 5 months ago
@suicidalbitchh Well, he wouldn't love you at all.
Menschen8190 4 months ago
@Menschen8190 yess. he would love me :D
suicidalbitchh 4 months ago
@suicidalbitchh Are you a Nietzsche superhuman? Tell me how you are...tell me what you are ;D
Menschen8190 4 months ago
Seems like the whole purpose of this video is the screech at 00:05
GongFuWushu 5 months ago
Good luck in Hell
kutkinderen 6 months ago
Fredrich Nietszche composed this?
TheEthanwashere 7 months ago
@TheEthanwashere Bah oui tu n'as jamais lu de Nietzsche ?
Yes you have never read Nietzsche ? ...
TheTerendul 7 months ago
@TheTerendul No, I've read some of his stuff before.
TheEthanwashere 7 months ago
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MrClockw3rk 7 months ago
A friedrich nietzsche le paso lo mismo que a Iván de la novela ''Los hermanos Karamazov'' de Fiódor Dostoyevski .... se volvio loco. Y CREO QUE FUE POR LA MISMA CAUSA. Pero es raro que haya sido por eso cuando el leyo esa novela.
Creo que eso sera motivo de estudio para mi, ya que o refutare mi tesis o la comprobare. =)
zxcv1020304 8 months ago
Holy crap! I thought I was going to see a scary face @0:05
Rui108 8 months ago
good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! very goood!!
alexayvero 8 months ago
and who are you to say that nietzche didnt give the world much, he gives his life because of the humanity with his objetives, and what do you do for the world?
danielhincapiem 9 months ago
Nietzsche wasn't that great. Watch the vid on here called Bertrand Russel on Nietzsche and come debate it if u dont agree.
MrClockw3rk 9 months ago
@MrClockw3rk
Bertrand Russel, who Wittgenstein smited for his misunderstood intro to Tractatus? You dare to say he's given the world something as 'good' as Thus Spake Zarathustra (not to mention the other gold this 'man' produced)?
Off with you clown; for you are undoubtedly another indoctrinated regurgitator of modern liberal academia, who is certainly no friend to abrasive truth of Nietzsche, even those who claim to like him are mostly status-quo cowards who'd dare not speak against it.
Baseliner 9 months ago
@Baseliner I'm not going to rant about bertrand russel, but Nietzsche didn't give the world much. He asked ppl to question things like many other philosophers. But he went to far to the point of condemning ideas that generally benefit mankind. Hes mediocre at best. The most valuable creations of man are systems that man can use to progress. Nietzsche was anti-systematic. That's dumb. The only conceptual frameworks he put forward are a joke - ubermench, will to power, eternal return. Mediocre.
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mongoliafab 7 months ago
@mongoliafab yes, i believe it is a joke, because power isn't the fundamental requirement of happiness. men want meaning more than they want power. picture a man with infinite power all by himself - you would witness sadness. men want meaning and meaning is social. people want to be special. power is only one way to achieve meaning, so the will to power gives us only a secondary understanding of the will of men. its like saying all men want money - it's true but it doesn't tell us much.
MrClockw3rk 7 months ago
@MrClockw3rk Single celled lifeforms don't look for meaning, they look for sustenance. This is true for all life and all things that exist in the universe; they were at this long before man's crude thinking processes ever came into being. Inasmuch as Nietzsche was a philosopher, he also understood that philosophy itself is decidant. It may be an act by a weak organism to vicariously live out its fantasies.
tiakpark 7 months ago
@tiakpark Firstly if philosophy and, by association, the debates around philosophy (like this one) are an act, then we are both doing some great acting. secondly, we aren't single celled lifeforms. read up on maslow's hierarchy - people's drives depend on their socio-economic status, their level of freedom, their level of intellectual and emotional development etc. As an example, people in concentration camps probably don't create much art or do much philosophizing. people are not 1 dimensional
MrClockw3rk 7 months ago
@MrClockw3rk Herd like people who only want meaning and comfort and security will only make themselves into raw materials to be used by higher entities, and the will be happily used up. It's ironic that morality, which makes men cleave to "meaning" and other such fancies out of revolt against all masters, would only make more slaves out of men.
Life does not need meaning. Life is its own justification and it will live on eternally, no matter what nihilistic ends man may invent. No good or evil.
tiakpark 7 months ago
@tiakpark and i disagree that people who look for meaning necessarily exhibit herd behavior or complacency towards being used as raw materials. There are plenty of people, like myself, who create meaning for themselves by producing (such as building a business), without either becoming a cog or requiring cogs to operate that business. Yet, I still want meaning, and for me, power is one method of achieving it. Others include civil service, the pursuit of knowledge in the sciences etc.
MrClockw3rk 7 months ago
@MrClockw3rk Another thing I want to know is why you feel the need to divorce "meaning" from "power." Why divorce meaning from the work itself? Are they not one and the same? Even when people try to get one-up in an argument its still will to power. I know that because I saw on an earlier post that you said Nietzsche was "mediocre." That's a strong word. Are you absolutely sure you feel that way? Can you back up your arguments?
tiakpark 7 months ago
@tiakpark and yes, I do genuinely think Nietzsche was mediocre, especially in terms of what intellectual tools he gave humanity to progress. His work mostly tears down descent conceptual frameworks, yet, he proposes very few frameworks himself. The importance of that fact i think is extreme. The hardest thing for an intellectual to do is create a viable conceptual framework. It is intellectually minor to rip apart concepts that inevitably have holes. Strong intellectuals propose models.
MrClockw3rk 7 months ago
@MrClockw3rk If you read Nietzsche more, you'd know he didn't give man any framework because he believed frameworks were already in existence, but were torn apart by Christianity's advent. He praises the work of the Romans and their empire which he believed could have lasted another thousand years. He praises the Jewish people for their strength and determination. He praises the Moors of spain for their manliness and intellectuallity.
Frameworks already existed. Modernity tore them down.
tiakpark 7 months ago
@tiakpark i dont think the problem is my reading of nietzsche. for all the qualities he praised, he said nothing of how to acquire them, which is the hard work. i would say that modernity has aided in the creation of probably more frameworks than it has torn down, or, more likely, replaced. but if as a student of philosophy and the humanities, you haven't looked for the existence or benefits of those frameworks, i could understand the misunderstanding of their value.
MrClockw3rk 7 months ago
@MrClockw3rk Also, what's with the constant use of the word "progress"? What constitutes "progress"? Do you and other progressives even have the wherewithall to define it when you take mankind's destiny into your spectrum? Again, it's the conceited belief that, not only man is the measure and meaning of things but that mordern society too is the measure and meaning of human civilzation. The conceit of myopic liberals who have the audacity to say they and they alone know what progress is.
tiakpark 7 months ago
@tiakpark as for progress, while i dont think i could define every aspect of it in detail in a youtube post, i think it would be ridiculous to claim nobody has any idea of what that is or whether we achieving it in some ways. Humans are more intelligent than previous generations and the proof is the quality of healthcare, the moral landscape of society, institutions for opportunity like schools etc. I don't think that's even worth debating.
MrClockw3rk 7 months ago
@MrClockw3rk Another thing. You can disagree with Nietzsche buy don't call him mediocre. Any philosophically trained university professor would have to slap you across the face for your arrogance and audacity.
Personally, I don't like Karl Marx one bit, but I don't believe he was mediocre. He must have been remarkable to shap human events that much. Don't feign haugtiness when don't know what the hell you're talking about. It impresses no one and make you look like a mental midget.
tiakpark 7 months ago
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MrClockw3rk 7 months ago
@tiakpark i call him mediocre as a way to point out that there are far more admirable sources of intellectual strength and determination. It makes perfect sense to me that you wouldn't think of Karl Marx as mediocre since he bothered to propose a model (regardless of its correctness) rather than simply tear down capitalism from the sidelines. I also don't agree with Karl Marx, but im much more inclined to respect his efforts.
MrClockw3rk 7 months ago
@MrClockw3rk Read Thus Spoke Zarathustra and tell me if that's not a source of infinite intellectual strength.
I have enjoyed this conversation more than you know. You're definetly smart, but I hope you don't stop asking questions, particularly on what you believe. I began reading Nietzsche because I ask myself a lot of painful questions that modern society has no answer to.
And know that just because I say man has no meaning in of itself it doesn't mean I'm misantrhopic. Misanthropy is a vice
tiakpark 7 months ago
@MrClockw3rk I read this while waiting for the video to load, and I simply cannot refrain, but, well...EXCUSE ME? Please, please, please explain to me any concrete model of communism that Marx actually proposed. Because as I recall, he only provided a handful of loose and vague prescriptions as to how the state should be run once Capitalism was felled. He was and remains such a prodigal thinker precisely because of his incisive critique of Capitalism.
Peteromich 5 months ago
@MrClockw3rk OK, so I read a little more of your quibble with tiakpark and I am sorry to say that neither of you really seems to have a grasp of Nietzsche's philosophy (big surprise!). Does that not strike you as absurd? Two people arguing over something of which neither have an understanding? tiakpark is (half)right about one thing - you must Read! But you must also Digest. This seems to be what tiakpark is lacking and why he misconstrues Nietzsche on many points.
Peteromich 5 months ago
@Peteromich in a nutshell, my problem with Nietzsche's is that he believes men's wills can be summed up as the most raw denominator of the most ancient area of our brain (the amygdala). He shows us the strength of anger, passion, competition, manipulation and force while minimizing by implication the value of group intelligence, cooperation, virtue and trust.
MrClockw3rk 5 months ago
@MrClockw3rk If this is how you view Nietzsche, you've been misinformed. He didn't simply state: Anger is good, Passion is good, everyone should be in fierce competition with each other. He certainly didn't minimize the value of trust and virtue. This is a crude misconception that is all too easy to make. In fact, it is the most commonly found conception of Nietzsche. So, if you're problem is with this view then that is fine, but it really has little or nothing to do with Nietzsche's ideas.
Peteromich 5 months ago
@Peteromich
Pity you couldn't enlighten us all.
MrXephyr 1 week ago
@MrClockw3rk And also, you say people aren't necessarily driven by herd behavior or complacency, and yet you say a person's socio-economic status determines their level of intellectual growth. That's seem kinda like a double-standard. Are people free or not? Are they play things of the world or do they have a will of their own?
tiakpark 7 months ago
@tiakpark everyone is to some extent driven by the herd mentality, but that's different than saying everyone is driven just as often, just the same way, and in all the same cases. sometimes relying on the info of others is good, sometimes bad, and so the goal of intellectual would be to help society tell the difference. but the hard work is proposing a model for how one should think that's better than the current model. i don't believe nietzsche achieves that in any remarkable way.
MrClockw3rk 7 months ago
@tiakpark the nihilism you mentioned comes from ppl failing to find meaning when they instead should be creating it by producing something that will live on in their place. This could be art, new theories or ways to think, businesses that produce products ppl would have never had access to (like microfinance institutions that help tens of thousands of poor people start a biz and earn their way out of poverty) etc. But most ppl dont produce, so they search, and they find products/entertainment
MrClockw3rk 7 months ago
@MrClockw3rk That's a good point, so I don't understand why you have a problem with Nietzsche saying life is Will to Power. Everything you just said sounds like Will to Power. Nietzsche said that among the ancient Greeks, many of them were willing to sacrifice their lives for glory and honor; things that would live on after their death. What that said to him was that Will to Power was stronger than Will to Survive.
What is your major disagreement with Nietzsche?
tiakpark 7 months ago
@tiakpark i have a problem with the idea that power is the most fundamental lens which which to view motivation. Sure, power is one model for describing it, but I don't believe it is the most powerful. It's subordinated to the need to justify existance - which isn't described using a power-centric model of human motivation. I only want power as a means to achieve specialness. It's a means to an end not an end itself. It's confusing causality with correlation (post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy).
MrClockw3rk 7 months ago
@MrClockw3rk Your belief that "meaning" is more important than power is merely an anthropocentric one. Again, other forms of life from the simplist to the more complex don't search for meaning, they search for ways to repliacte themselves. Eternal Return understood as the will to procreate. Don't got me wrong, I love man because he can give meaning to himself, but man has no meaning in of himself, not anymore than any other animal.
"Meaning" is a human conceit, and an egocentric one at that.
tiakpark 7 months ago
@tiakpark first some neuroscience. humans have an area in their brains called a neocortex that allows them to process things in certain ways that often disqualify them from being simply defined by their base instincts. this is observable - people have moral codes, laws courses on ethics etc. It's with this same neocortex that we can construct meaning when (like you pointed out) we have none. But power is a tool. for apes it's a survival tool, for humans it's a tool for meaning.
MrClockw3rk 7 months ago
@MrClockw3rk What do you think of the Olympics? A form created in ancient greek culture to achieve happiness, or to cope with the will to power? The will to overcome the other opponents? You should read the "Apollonian vs Dionysian" theory of Nietzsche. One of his first writings, but fairly a gate for ideas and thought. Maybe a considerable source to look into, regarding this discussion.
mongoliafab 1 month ago
@mongoliafab yeah im familiar with his model for that, and I think that's a useful way to describe the conflicting desires of man. I'll also agree that the creation of the Olympics can be described as an outlet for a will to power. But, I still believe that will is a subset of a more fundamental need: meaning. Competition is still a tool to create a unique identity through achievements (we wouldn't compete if it didn't prove something about our worth to ourselves or others)
MrClockw3rk 1 month ago
@MrClockw3rk What I think you mean is - somewhere along as humans developed a profound consciousness, our "will to growth" developed a second form of force, also a "will to meaning"? As to a meaningful search of higher-self besides the natural, instinctive will to power? If so, "meaning" is not more fundamental in any way up against Nietzsches "will to power" theory. Thus fundamental of all life forms
mongoliafab 1 month ago
@Baseliner smited?... 'good'..... 'man'.... "off with you clown".... "dare not"..... did you just come from a renaissance fair or something? I think your metal helmet is picking up radio waves from space.
MrClockw3rk 9 months ago
Well,adventoctober,i dont quite agree:Jazz music was made by niggers and its fantastic,especially instruemntal Jazz or smooth jazz,wchich is a mixture of classic Europan music with something knew.
Anyway,beutifull track.
SiegmundHildebrand 10 months ago
And what would a nation,or an army,or a familly ACHIEVE,if they werent helping one another?Nothing.Being egoistic and thinking onlly about yourself will make other people your enemies,as they will consider you someone who must be defeated before you defeat them.
If you have strong rules,Christian or not,and give good example to others,there is more chance to create true culture.When you will think like "Kill all the weaklings,dont help anyone!!!"etc.all people would hate another.
WolfgangAmadeusF 10 months ago
The concept that we humans should try to be something better,and become something like a god,a superhuman,is quite interesting,and it seems logical for Atheist (Altrough Atheists dont believe in gods,they have their own goals,and sometimes they can prove to be very usefull for all humanity)however in one of his last books he seemed obsessed with "weakness",and he has found it in everything that is not brute power.That ideology has no future:he considered helping other people a weakness.
WolfgangAmadeusF 10 months ago
This is Beautiful. A tragic life from a tragic mind.
SadeTryce 10 months ago
Nietzsche - Has written the same thoughts that has been written to it - Dostoevsky.
Nietzsche - Wrote all thoughts - PARTS.... It did it because of "an emotional" pain...
Germans are NOT GERMANIC people, IN Y-DNA GERMANS ARE CELTS!!! At germans in DNA doesn't dominate german haplogroup I1, at germans dominates celtic haplogroup R1b ht tp://w w w. eupedia. com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups. shtml Germans ONLY USE GERMANIC LANGUAGE and GERMANIC CULTURE.
GermansNotGermanic 11 months ago
Extremely moving and full of emotions...
DiabolusCCXVII 11 months ago
This work "Eine Sylvesternacht" was not composed for piano and cello, as you say here, but for violin and piano. What's more, the performance here is with violin, NOT cello.
guirlandes3 11 months ago
i love you Nietzsche
tehzoh 11 months ago
For Marleybless nietzsche consideraba al ateo la peor abominacion que el ser humano ha visto. careful nietzsche no era ateo... era autentico
Michael94726 11 months ago
@Michael94726 No, he wasn´t, he was unique and he is the übermensh!!!
JN2699 10 months ago
@Michael94726 he was the übermensch!!!
JN2699 10 months ago
Did anybody else shit their pants at 00:5
AdventOctober 1 year ago 108
@AdventOctober you mean 0:05 ?
samm1809 11 months ago 2
@samm1809 yea, typing fail lol
AdventOctober 11 months ago
@AdventOctober yeah, me Oo
Athanasia1st 11 months ago
@AdventOctober Almost had a heart attack. Niggers shouldn't add artifacts to otherwise great music.
angry1278 10 months ago
@AdventOctober lmfaoo. right when i read this it happened for me. i shit myself twice good sir.
Roelisc 8 months ago
@AdventOctober
Actually i just went, uuhhaaaahhhh!!! and thought satan took over my computer.
Grunge4ever1993 8 months ago
@AdventOctober No, because of you! Thanks snitch!
someThinkingApe 7 months ago
@AdventOctober LOL YESSS
kodyqc 7 months ago
@AdventOctober yes!!
llgrazes 6 months ago
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@AdventOctober YES!!!!!
llgrazes 6 months ago
God is dead boysssssssssss!
marleybless 1 year ago
God is dead.
epoppinbazz 1 year ago
wow, you're all too funny. i like how you're all trying to prove each other wrong with your knowledge. no one cares how smart you are, just listen to the music, if you don't like it, then x off the damn page and leave it be, but don't sit in front of the monitor battling someone you've never met. there's beautiful music (imo) playing and you're all arguing. you sicken me. and yeah yeah go ahead and reply to my comment and mention how immature my username is.
smoke420allthetime 1 year ago
Fryderyk Nietzsche was a polish !
WhitePolishPatriot 1 year ago
@WhitePolishPatriot No he wasn't. He just claimed to be descended from Polish nobility because he thought it sounded cool.
Also, this music is pretty decent for a non-composer. Better than Karl Jenkins
AntiProUltra 1 year ago
@AntiProUltra Because it sounded 'cool'? I don't think so. Nietzsche was German, but it's likely he had Polish or Polish/German ancestors. Poland was a part of east Germany (Prussia at the time, and that's where Nietzsche was born so it kind of makes sense after all).
Ashlander1683 11 months ago
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oknarbtal 1 year ago
Yes yes yes i understand you Nietzsche. Christianity is the real problem of human stupidity, right ? Give me a break, i could not even finish one book of yours, full with filth and madness towards one group of people.
The real reason of a falling Europe was because of people like you who destroyed every European tradition, culture and everything that gave us a unique identity.
No wonder why you never touched a woman in your entirely life, you miserable Masonic piece of shit.
MedusaFrauVenus 1 year ago
@MedusaFrauVenus
you must be jealous of his mustache.
rasist fuck.
oknarbtal 1 year ago
@oknarbtal Retard.
MedusaFrauVenus 1 year ago
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oknarbtal 1 year ago
@oknarbtal Look at your previous comment. This is the only reply you deserve. Idiot.
MedusaFrauVenus 1 year ago
@MedusaFrauVenus
Have you ever wondered that, maybe, you couldn't finish one of his books because you, let's say, lack in some basic cognitive powers that differ humans from apes?
It's not like I'm judging you, but your beautiful channel says it all.
Kisses.
oknarbtal 1 year ago
@oknarbtal I finished some many others books in philosophy including Aristotle, Plato, Cioran, Evola, Gobineau, Spengler, Fukuyama, Aurelius, Hobbes and many many more.
Nietzsche is for wankers. Only blaming things, not a certain point of view.
MedusaFrauVenus 1 year ago
@MedusaFrauVenus
Offtopic, but I just have to admit that you have quite a flattering channel. According to your explicite hatred towards different races and points of view, I deduce that you obviously haven't learned a thing from all those philosophers you've mentioned. Except maybe, Plato.
If you have trouble with comprehending Nietzsche, try Heidegger's interpretations of the key points of Nietzsche's philosophy: revaluation of all values, destruction, the overman, nihilism etc.
oknarbtal 1 year ago
@oknarbtal My channel. I don't hate other people for their skin color, i hate them because of what they are standing up for. Subculture, drugs, Communism and other facts that makes no sense to talk about it. However this is not the topic.
The ''superman'' of Nietzsche makes no sense. Destroy everything in a world of nihilism where nothing makes sense, bash all the Gods in order to...create another one ? The Superhuman. Values are right next to you. See them, get them and bye nihilism.
MedusaFrauVenus 1 year ago
@MedusaFrauVenus
Wow. You've said: "makes no sense" for two times at once. How nihilistic of you.
It's pointless to argue with you, since you have a pretty shallow comprehension of Nietzsche's philosophy. Try reading him again in a few years or so.
oknarbtal 1 year ago
@oknarbtal I did not used ''makes no sense'' at once. It was the same words in two sentences. So, check your grammar.
Nietzsche ? Nah thank you. Beyond good and evil, the antichrist, genealogy of morals. Failures.
MedusaFrauVenus 1 year ago
The 14 dislikes are from Kant, Hegel, and Schopenhauer, socrates, plato, Wagner, Bertrand Russel and their wives
federalist29 1 year ago 9
¡SUBLIME!
ssbb7 1 year ago
Nietzche was founder of psychoanalysis, not Freud .. just read "On the Genealogy of Morality"
coolstuffplus 1 year ago 2
Such a miserable figure that has become blind because he could not see the whole reality which is actually another reality that lying behind the reality he lived in.
ILearn2Hack 1 year ago
e tutte festo.(Petronue)
(永遠健全、永遠快樂和滿足。Forever healthy, forever happy and satisfied.)
aminegy 1 year ago
I must correct your description of this work, "Eine Sylvestenacht" .Nietzsche composed it for violin and piano, not cello; it is played on a violin in the recording you offer here. Who are the artists? They are pretty good. As for my credentials: My recording of this work with violinist Nicholas Eanet (now first chair of the Juilliard Quartet) , as well as the solo piano, vocal and chamber works of Nietzsche, were the first (commercial) recordings of FN's music ever made (Newport Classics)
guirlandes3 1 year ago
first time i have ever heard his music! he obviously had an ear for a dramatic tune, a fine little piece, though i presume Wagner must have thought it lightweight if he heard it or saw the score
thatwilldonicely 1 year ago
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DictatorRoB 1 year ago
@DictatorRoB The English translation loses much of the meaning of the German word ubermensch
ac3man3 1 year ago
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DictatorRoB 1 year ago
@ac3man3
That's right, I rather deleted it, I should have used term "Superhuman"
DictatorRoB 1 year ago
the fucking screech at the beginning blew my mind, thanks to this I have realized what life is and broke free of the shackles that are human consciousness.
TheTofuGod 1 year ago 28
@TheTofuGod Oh god im laughing.
but....gods dead so nevermind
39jthm 8 months ago
i think Friedrich Nietzsche would listen black metal ,because many black metal band have same ideas that Friedrich Nietzsche has
motka1234567890 1 year ago
If Nietzsche were alive today, I bet he'd be a fan of RnB music or something.
33hegemon 1 year ago
@33hegemon no,because its music with no meaning and musically its shit
motka1234567890 1 year ago 2
@motka1234567890
Hmmm, fair point. Okay, what about country and western? I mean, he has a moustache, and most C&W singers sport fine moustaches?
33hegemon 1 year ago
After reading several comments here...I doubt many people understand what nihilism is...
Torkulguy 1 year ago
it's a good thing he chose to focus on philosophy ... this music sucks
rvaughanwilliams1988 1 year ago
Can someone help me here? How is Nietzsche such a great man when he criticized the Golden Rule, and considered honest people as weak.
Keysteeze 1 year ago
Shitty philosopher - his only problem was Christianity, like that is really the big issues of life. He bashed all Gods, but himself created another one.
A man that hated the Germans more than everything else. A sick and lonely fuck. I am wondering if he was a Jew.
Once again - a zero compared to Cioran, Marcus Aurelius , Julius Evola and others.
RATMW 1 year ago
@RATMW In defense of Nietzsche, he did not create an version of any "god", rather a concept of the ideal man. He discredited the Germans a great deal this is granted if one reads his notes, but to say he created a "god" requires more than just a mere negative statement. The man was an enemy to all religion.
viletree 1 year ago
@RATMW I see, so the idea that the individual is a master of his own destiny wasn't radical for its time? It wasn't good enough, is that it? Or how about the encouragement of human progression? That's what "Thus spoke Zarathustra" was about. He alone would say three simple words and shake the very foundations of society: "God is Dead." And he's a shit philosopher, you say?
Torkulguy 1 year ago
@Torkulguy Yes he was a shitty philosopher. Do you have an idea how many wrote about this way before Nietzsche ? True, using different words, but same ideology.
RATMW 1 year ago
@RATMW He defined the idea. I'd like to see the texts that attempted to dismantle conventional society in the same manner Nietzsche did. Even if that were true, that's like saying Galileo is a shitty astronomer because Copernicus discovered the heliocentric model before him.
Torkulguy 1 year ago
@Torkulguy The problem is simple. I study philosophy for more than 2 years and still. And i just don't like Nietzsche. The same way i don't like Freud.
To me is unbelievable what Marcus Aurelius wrote in 180 CE and many more after him. Nietzsche to me seems like a hopeless person stuck in a person that he never was. Simple as that.
RATMW 1 year ago
@RATMW Why...You really don't give me much reason, you just state he's shit and hopeless. If your implying that his pessimism makes him weak, you'd be wrong. I mean, there have been many great writers and philosophers who were spiteful and angry, in fact most are! You are into philosophy; you must be familiar with the question 'why?'
Torkulguy 1 year ago
@Torkulguy There is not much reason i can give you. His blame on Christianity is really absurd to me. Most of philosophers denied God , but they don't blame Christianity as the main factor in human degradation - mentally or physically - or living a useless life because they are Christians ( as Nietzsche does in many of his books ). Fine is absurd to believe in a guy in heaven but that's not really the downward spiral in life. That is the fact that i consider him a hopeless person.
RATMW 1 year ago
@RATMW and Freud wasn't a bad philosopher or psychologist. It would come that certain things he said were wrong, but from that sprung great innovations in the field of psychology. Without Freud, we probably would have figured women a weak sex for a great while longer.
Torkulguy 1 year ago
@Torkulguy It was also a great Spanish philosopher that wrote something : ''When people are trying so hard to achieve , to create something, they will fail completely to it''- Baltasar Gracian.
That is exactly what happened to Nietzsche to me. Keep focusing on one single theory one ideology and keep hung on it, till it become old and boring.
RATMW 1 year ago
@RATMW That's not what I asked for, but I guess what I ask for is irrelevant. I find the idea that life is futile and what value that exists within it is a manifestation of the individual pretty fuckin' interesting. Being a master of your destiny, something that's quite the opposite of that Gracian quote, is pretty enlightening, and better yet, challenges religion and society. Nietzsche deserves credit for his contribution to Nihilism.
Torkulguy 1 year ago
@Torkulguy Well far as i can see on your previous comments is that you asked me why i called him a ''shitty philosopher''. And i told you my opinion.
As a philosopher , he never did progress. Most of his books are based on the same ideology. Anyway , if you are interested in philosophy i can give you another name and you will understand why i dislike Nietzsche. Try Emil Cioran.
RATMW 1 year ago
@RATMW Perhaps this difference in opinion is caused by your genuine interest in philosophy. I'm an english major, and yes philosophy and literature are integral, but you probably have more experience on it. Not having read Nietzsche and only understanding the significance it held in history, especially when it came at a time where the British Empire was collapsing, seemed so significant to me. I'll trust your recommendation and check Cioran out.
Torkulguy 1 year ago
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TheDavid2222 1 year ago
@TheDavid2222 What in bloody hell is that supposed to mean?
scruethedemiurge 1 year ago
great mind but depressing philosophy. Last two books I read where about Kurt Cobain and Ian Curtis, both shared this mans opinions, both came to see life as meaningless and you know what happened next.
cclarke10able 1 year ago
@cclarke10able
I'm not sure why many people often come out with that kind of sentences about nietzsche being depressing ...
How is that ??
Nietzsche spoke about strength and power, and stimulating the will to live through ecstatic moments of festivity
What does people see as depressing in that ??
Akhin 1 year ago
@cclarke10able What are you getting at? Neitzsche saw life as anything but meaningless! He saw what Christianity had done to his world; he saw the "meaninglessness of life" that Christianity infected the world with. He was againts the Nihilism of Christianity!
danieljliversLXXXIX 1 year ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX without a God-imposed morality, humanity is left to fend for itself when it comes to morality. Therefore, the tragic implications of Neitzsche's ideas such as 'Will to power' etc become most apparent, since the community with the most power tends to impose its "morality" on the rest. Adolf Hitler, after all, had a moral code - and at least six million Jews died as a result of it. 'The nihilism of christianity'.....thats a paradox if ever I heard one!
cclarke10able 1 year ago
@cclarke10able Since 'God' is not an absolute authority on morality to begain with everything steems from our on perceptions. (Which god might I add?). With the death of God we need to form our own world; our own values. The power Nietzsche was talking about was psychological. It was the will to press on. He wasn't talking about political power or financial power.
danieljliversLXXXIX 1 year ago
@cclarke10able Christianity is Nihilism as far as Nietzsche was concerned. It's the denial of the life one has now, in the hope for a better life. The Greeks (and Nietzsche was partial to Greek thought) believed hope to be a great evil.
danieljliversLXXXIX 1 year ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX i understand why he thought the denial of life now for a life to come was nihilism......that is a fair point, but it all depends on whether you believe what Jesus said to be true. Also, theres a lot of things you dont have to deny yourself, you can still enjoy your life.....when Jesus said 'to gain your life you first have to lose it' he meant losing all the bad things and giving up time for other people, if you follow this principle you'll find your life will improve
cclarke10able 1 year ago
"those who will understand my works will belong to future generations"
salvodistefano 1 year ago
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TheDavid2222 1 year ago
I love Nietzsche.
This song is wonderful!!
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ssbb7 1 year ago
Please, what is the name of this piece?
90000111 1 year ago 3
@90000111 The name of the piece is "eine Sylvesternacht" and can be found on the CD: "Friedrich Nietzsche : Compositions of his Mature Years (1864-1882)"
AnwendEihwaz 1 year ago
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mgarofano 1 year ago
Nietszche was unspurpassed, the nicest man of his time, the only reason the love of his life went to another man was because of Nietszche's natural inferiority compared to the superiority of the other man, hence another reason why Nietszche rejected morality, because it LOST him his love, hence why Nietszche regards "will" as more existing than morality.
Whyisthat101 1 year ago
terrible glitch in the first few seconds
khattamshud 1 year ago 7
@khattamshud omg i felt like i died hahahahah that scared the shit out of me!
periphery09 1 year ago
@khattamshud painful indeed
seppesai 1 year ago
the meaning of life is to achieve individual happiness and success
addyr100 1 year ago
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
EGMAG 1 year ago
Nietzsche´s philosophy remains in his music more than in his books.
henseltetude 1 year ago
what are we,whats the purpose of this life we consume,i see corpses of the living dead,no meaning at all,no meaning at all to this behemoth
silhouette of confusion and chaos.
fretlicker05 1 year ago 24
@fretlicker05 Why don't you enjoy your life and stop being so pathetic.
trentschirmer 1 year ago
@fretlicker05 What predestined purpose do you seek? Is your will to live not enough? If not, create.
Torkulguy 1 year ago
Had no ideal he played any instrument! Beautiful.
danieljliversLXXXIX 1 year ago
I can't stop staring at his mustache! It's just so...
TheAmrator 1 year ago
@TheAmrator totally amazing haha :)
ChristBurner 1 year ago
The end of the old truth is here... 'God Is Dead' means that mankind's beliefs about the 'Ideal World' have now been rejected... There never was a God, Life isn't directed to any real end but existence itself, which is free from any guilt and causality at all...
FireBhaal 1 year ago 3
I had no idea Nietzsche composed music! I will have fun dissecting this one!!!
Cyborus 1 year ago
linda música.
GERALDOFORTE 1 year ago
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No man ever said that god is dead, no man ever said that man is dead because of his own belifs that make him rotten and lost. Its an interesting point of view. Even the new man that he designs. but could he live in society, I think not but no certeinty can be justed in philosophy...
sirpaul1821 1 year ago
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Nietzsche let no legacy for mankind, his music is empty and dark like his legacy. An artist or scientist who have the chance to be a part of history must devote his work to the community to glorify mankind. He is an individualistic, nihilistic bastard and he had what he deserved in the end of his life.
GJGJ654 2 years ago
"must", huh.
The way of truth is bitter, for the honest one finds it nonexistent.
LifeOfDelusion 1 year ago
the way of spirituality is bitter, for the honest one find no meaningful life. Religion is doing a better job then nihilism about the miss of good action of progress for mankind. Nihilism and religion are ennemies, but in fact they are both the same on alots of point, but specially useless for social and scientist progress of mankind.
GJGJ654 1 year ago
You say "good" and "progress", but what is its meaning? I dare to ask.
Faith is the basis of all lies, yes I may be a miserable human being but in my eyes, lack of realization (or fear of realization) is the most pathetic and empty.
LifeOfDelusion 1 year ago 20
@LifeOfDelusion The lack of faith is not necessarily characteristic to the miserable, but rather to the one who aspires to learn, to surpass the bounds set by society, and to surpass the leeches, the drones all stumbling for a quick buck at the expense of their own humility.
Torkulguy 1 year ago
@LifeO It is you al the time. Some people kan live with it. Others kan not. Leave it that way and if you are that wise, just shut up and contemplate.
409mefisto 11 months ago
Nietzsche was dark but he was also optimistic. It's the darker things that touch the soul.
But what you say about science and art only existing to glorify man, I not only disagree but think that that is shallow. Science is about observing the world and realizing what we are. Not hiding in some comfortable delusion. Art is about expressing our happieness, anger, and sorrow. You want to glorify man yet say that he deserved his madness?
danieljliversLXXXIX 1 year ago
in his book "Human , too Human" he seems to support science against religion and (even ) art. But in his earlier and also in his later period , his thoughts were very different. Personally, I like better the late Nietzche: more prophetic and metaphysical.
henseltetude 1 year ago
Yes, I'm more akin to later Nietzsche my self.
danieljliversLXXXIX 1 year ago
@henseltetude he abandoned metaphysical thought later. he tried to solve nihilism with the greek tragedy. but because the only world that exists is the apparent one he had to abandon that idea.
TheDavid2222 1 year ago
maybe this will help. search........The Decline And Fall Of The Human Race.
flashrewind 2 years ago