Netflix's early contracts made when they were small have run out. Now that they are a big company, they need to make big money contracts. Idiots, launch you're own satelites are set up your own infrastructer. What's that, you can't? Then charge your customers the real price of streaming. DirecTV knows it costs at least $4.99 per vewing. Stop giving your customers everything at the cost of biting the hand that feeds you. Let them pay if want unlimited entertainment, don't follow GM's 0% apr deal.
Where do you come up with the idea that Comcast has to add capacity on their back haul to give Level 3 more peering capacity? Bandwidth at NAP's is virtually infinite and doesn't cost anything!
@gyrfalcon Show me a place where I can get a free 10 Gbps port at an Internet Exchange, and where you can get a free 10 Gbps Ethernet switch, and I'll give you my youtube account.
Dump 300 Gbps of extra data on an ISP's network and it will most certainly require upgrading every part of the network.
@DigitalSocietyOrg 90% of Comcasts infrastructure is on leased fiber from Level 3 and a few other vendors. Comcast was already getting CDN through Akamai and charging them a toll, so they could turn around and get money from not just their users, but the CDN.... With an optical switch you can change the connection from 1GbE to 100GbE without any need for more "capacity". If you're really naive enough to believe this argument is over a few thousand dollars worth of equipment you're crazy.
@gyrfalcon "90% of Comcasts infrastructure is on leased fiber from Level 3 and a few other vendors." And there's your problem, you've got your facts reversed.
In reality, 90% of the infrastructure involved in Netflix or CDN distribution goes over the ISP's infrastructure. The division of labor link in the video description explains this.
@DigitalSocietyOrg "In reality, 90% of the infrastructure involved in Netflix or CDN distribution goes over the ISP's infrastructure."
Wow no kidding.. is that why they call it a content distribution network instead of a content collection network? You've ignored my point that bandwidth at the NAP's is virtually infinite and any argument by Comcast over not having ports is BULLSH@#....
@DigitalSocietyOrg "In reality, 90% of the infrastructure involved in Netflix or CDN distribution goes over the ISP's infrastructure. The division of labor link in the video description explains this."
The infrastructure the customer pays for. You obviously don't have a clue about network technology... Should we talk about multicast too?
Comcast is run by obnoxious snobs who decided the Internet owed them, instead of their customers--likely overcharged both customer and Internet. This is also an illegal claim to domain name control, for Comcast is acting outside of their authority; if anything they owe Uncle Sam money for connecting to the Internet, and because of their political dispute this will influence Senator tactics of creating milk cows out of the people for their empowerment--pay up to live.
I think you are right on George, Everyone thinks the net and it's peering is absolutely free. Unfortunately, this is a fallacy, propagated by the net-newt idiots. Main thing to look at is where would comcast like the prices to rise? the end user requesting the video or to level3 being a CDN? Plus they could go back to akamai and keep them and level 3 would be screwed out of the deal. Level 3 shot them a rock bottom price thinking comcast would have been an idiot & just accepted it. They lost!
@analogtoobz If Comcast had gotten Netflix's CDN business and they wanted to push a lot of content over the peering connection to Level 3, Level 3 would have asked for payment.
At the end of the day, Level 3 wants to *sell* access to Comcast's infrastructure without paying Comcast and Comcast would have done the same in reverse to Level 3 if given the opportunity. This is a business dispute and nobody should be taking any sides. No one should be able to sell someone else's infrastructure.
There is a lot of information here I haven't seen anywhere else, some of it in opposition to what I heard. You have a lot of exclusive information or some of it is wrong.
No one else says Comcast buys transit from Level 3.
No one else says they picked up another 60 gigs to Level 3 during the dispute.
No one else says they added 200 gigs.
No one else says Netflix bought 3,000 gigs from Level 3.
Comcast shouldn't be charging the carriers. They should be paying the carriers for that access.
youtube.com/watch?v=-Riqr8Ntl4k
gyrfalcon 1 year ago
Netflix's early contracts made when they were small have run out. Now that they are a big company, they need to make big money contracts. Idiots, launch you're own satelites are set up your own infrastructer. What's that, you can't? Then charge your customers the real price of streaming. DirecTV knows it costs at least $4.99 per vewing. Stop giving your customers everything at the cost of biting the hand that feeds you. Let them pay if want unlimited entertainment, don't follow GM's 0% apr deal.
gakkerout 1 year ago
Where do you come up with the idea that Comcast has to add capacity on their back haul to give Level 3 more peering capacity? Bandwidth at NAP's is virtually infinite and doesn't cost anything!
gyrfalcon 1 year ago
@gyrfalcon Show me a place where I can get a free 10 Gbps port at an Internet Exchange, and where you can get a free 10 Gbps Ethernet switch, and I'll give you my youtube account.
Dump 300 Gbps of extra data on an ISP's network and it will most certainly require upgrading every part of the network.
DigitalSocietyOrg 1 year ago
@DigitalSocietyOrg 90% of Comcasts infrastructure is on leased fiber from Level 3 and a few other vendors. Comcast was already getting CDN through Akamai and charging them a toll, so they could turn around and get money from not just their users, but the CDN.... With an optical switch you can change the connection from 1GbE to 100GbE without any need for more "capacity". If you're really naive enough to believe this argument is over a few thousand dollars worth of equipment you're crazy.
gyrfalcon 1 year ago
@gyrfalcon "90% of Comcasts infrastructure is on leased fiber from Level 3 and a few other vendors." And there's your problem, you've got your facts reversed.
In reality, 90% of the infrastructure involved in Netflix or CDN distribution goes over the ISP's infrastructure. The division of labor link in the video description explains this.
DigitalSocietyOrg 1 year ago
@DigitalSocietyOrg "In reality, 90% of the infrastructure involved in Netflix or CDN distribution goes over the ISP's infrastructure."
Wow no kidding.. is that why they call it a content distribution network instead of a content collection network? You've ignored my point that bandwidth at the NAP's is virtually infinite and any argument by Comcast over not having ports is BULLSH@#....
gyrfalcon 1 year ago
@gyrfalcon lol... infinite bandwidth... lol...
ShwangShwing 1 year ago
@gyrfalcon lol... infinite bandwidth... lol
ShwangShwing 1 year ago
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@DigitalSocietyOrg "In reality, 90% of the infrastructure involved in Netflix or CDN distribution goes over the ISP's infrastructure. The division of labor link in the video description explains this."
The infrastructure the customer pays for. You obviously don't have a clue about network technology... Should we talk about multicast too?
gyrfalcon 1 year ago
Good strategy on Level 3's part. Get the 'know-nothings' riled about losing their precious Netflix, and they'll be up in arms against ComCast.
Social engineering and misinformation ftw.
Great explanation, thank you!
tantoedge 1 year ago
@tantoedge Yes, Level 3 wants free business connectivity subsidized by residential connectivity.
DigitalSocietyOrg 1 year ago
Comcast is run by obnoxious snobs who decided the Internet owed them, instead of their customers--likely overcharged both customer and Internet. This is also an illegal claim to domain name control, for Comcast is acting outside of their authority; if anything they owe Uncle Sam money for connecting to the Internet, and because of their political dispute this will influence Senator tactics of creating milk cows out of the people for their empowerment--pay up to live.
WOWJBEOWULF 1 year ago
I agree level3 shouldn't cash in on someone else's network. Look how well it works for the CLECs in this country.
analogtoobz 1 year ago
I think you are right on George, Everyone thinks the net and it's peering is absolutely free. Unfortunately, this is a fallacy, propagated by the net-newt idiots. Main thing to look at is where would comcast like the prices to rise? the end user requesting the video or to level3 being a CDN? Plus they could go back to akamai and keep them and level 3 would be screwed out of the deal. Level 3 shot them a rock bottom price thinking comcast would have been an idiot & just accepted it. They lost!
analogtoobz 1 year ago
@analogtoobz If Comcast had gotten Netflix's CDN business and they wanted to push a lot of content over the peering connection to Level 3, Level 3 would have asked for payment.
At the end of the day, Level 3 wants to *sell* access to Comcast's infrastructure without paying Comcast and Comcast would have done the same in reverse to Level 3 if given the opportunity. This is a business dispute and nobody should be taking any sides. No one should be able to sell someone else's infrastructure.
DigitalSocietyOrg 1 year ago
There is a lot of information here I haven't seen anywhere else, some of it in opposition to what I heard. You have a lot of exclusive information or some of it is wrong.
No one else says Comcast buys transit from Level 3.
No one else says they picked up another 60 gigs to Level 3 during the dispute.
No one else says they added 200 gigs.
No one else says Netflix bought 3,000 gigs from Level 3.
Comcast shouldn't be charging the carriers. They should be paying the carriers for that access.
johanhammy 1 year ago
@johanhammy So are you saying that Comcast filed a blatantly falsified letter to the FCC?
DigitalSocietyOrg 1 year ago
@DigitalSocietyOrg I am not privy to all of the details, but I wouldn't put it past them.
johanhammy 1 year ago