esee junglas or buck hoodlum, have you done a review on the esee junglas would be nice to see, trying to decide between the 2 of them. There is a buck hoodlum failure on youtube right at the notch.
@Kylef7735 It's not really that much practice needed :)
Try to think on how you'd swing a baseballbat. You'd want to build up as much kenetic energy as you can before impact, but you will be doing it by speed and not by strenght. The axe works the same way. Of course a bat doesn't have sharp edges and an axe does, so you want to make sure that if you miss the axe will go straight into the ground rather than your leg or foot.
That was a shortened version, but YT doesn't allow longer comments.
if you have to constantly process wood, i would not leave that ax home. While you are obviously biased toward the knives, I think a real comparison between a knife and an ax would be felling a tree, limbing it and splitting it. You bang on burning calories, the kife would burn more.
Get some training with that ax!!! You are not using some really basic techniques that make it accurate and much safer. I am cringing and looking away often as i am waiting for a real shin burying ax shot!!!
Please, please get some practice with the axe and/or ask someone that knows how to swing it. I'm interchanging between "you're not using it properly" and "You're lucky you just didn't hurt yourself".
@MansTrueNature This comment advocates the big blade even more, it takes skill to use an axe, batoning or chopping with a knife takes practically none.
Haha. I remember being insulted a few years ago for recommending a hatchet or hawk over a knife for wood splitting to Nutnfancy. I guess he finally came around. BTW that is some pretty country.
correction to the deleted comment about kindling, 38:30 is exactly how you're supposed to do it, perfect, very safe, controlled and effective. it's how I learned how to do it and have never injured myself doing it. also, the ax used in the video is too short for standing splitting, it's meant to cut trees and split kneeling. the downsides of a ax(mainly weigh) are forgotten when you consider the potential they have, the hoodlum might be lighter, but the ax will beat it in cutting down a tree.
a thicker, blunter edge forces the grain apart and performs the split. a splitting maul or ax shouldn't have a sharp edge, but a blunter edge to crack the wood apart rather than try to cut the piece of wood in half. there's a reason that splitting mauls and axes were invented. a person in a survival situation usually wouldn't be cutting big wood with the ax, but splitting it like you did in the video with a wedge. the ax is a cutting tool, not a splitting tool.
also, a ax is more useful in more northern climates where you need to cut timber to survive. I personally find a ax more useful when cutting firewood and cutting down trees. I understand how a knife is useful in small timber like you cut in this video, but a ax is indepensable in the north like where I live. making the wedge is a smart idea and I do it myself for splitting and cutting firewood with a saw.
about a sharp ax for splitting, that's not what you want. a sharp edge digs into the wood..
I am so happy to see that you've given the axe a second chance. they are wonderful tools. though i am sure you will stick to the large knife, and i totally support your opinion, im glad to see you giving the axe a shot, and a good review
Bushcrafters everywhere are impressed my friend. Great Video!
The axe is safer and more precise then it gets credit for .. There are some good Axe techniques. Wow ... That place looks amazing cold snow and warm sun ... Heaven !!
for me i always have a 3-4" knife and a 20" axe out in the woods. the weight is totally worth the the choping power, not to mention i dont have to worry about knife sharpening as much.
A lot of people complain about Nutn getting money from addsense at least that's the vibe I get. I think he deserves it for all the time and effort he puts on his videos. Hard work should pay off and even if it wasn't hard its great information and great video footage still deserve some type of recompense. I think they're just jealous its not them =p I kinda am too.
Great new video and i'm finally back to doing my vids after my ankle injury. Here's the latest and let me know what ya'll think? just don't be to harsh lol
Nutn, you really know how to test gear and put it through its paces. I have to say that do learn a lot not only about the gear but other process you use too. Now, that is one quality axe and makes want to thow my out. I need to add a quality axe to my gear. Awesome video! I really liked the tent stake you made and I imagine you could make a toothpick too. Very impressive video.
@STRIKERBOY101 I don't know where you live, but all of the largest tracts of forest in the US are National PARKS. It is entirely plausible that they are camping on one of them, and a reasonable question by usops88
Did you ever review a "pocket chain saw" for cutting wood? Seems to have less potential for self inflicted wounds in cold weather, fatigue, low light conditions etc. Also light weight! There are multiple brands of those chains.
I know nutn harps on weight and therefore doesn't dig bringing axes into the woods so much...but dadGUM the capability! And that's with a relatively small (though also quite expensive and extremely high quality) axe.
I have the same axe and love it. Once you get used to how the axe handles and just build axe handle skill in general it can really do a lot. I typically switch back and forth between axe and knife (ESEE RC6) for chopping, splitting, and splintering tasks just to build skill in both but purely for those tasks I would lean towards the axe if I had to pick one because it's more efficient for the more calorie intense jobs.
if you drop down on to you knees when working with the smaller axe it makes a huge diff on how often it comes near your legs, but you are right it is a skill set. I have been useing axe's for fire wood most of my life. Fine wood working tool? not even close but thats why i pack a good knife with me if i need to do fine work.
If you work with an axe and you'r affraid that you might hit your knees or leggs, Do as follows, with small pieces of wood go down on your knees to hit them! With larger firewood splitting use a big piece of tree trunk to put the wood on, so you can hit it standing with an axe!! btw. that big knive is very much more save to work with !!
I appreciate your honesty when you admit to limited experience w/ axes vs. large knives. It's pretty safe to say you're both major knife enthusiasts & really dig getting the most out of your blades. That's why you do so well w/ them. OTOH, many of us learned our woods skills w/ small axes. We feel comfortable & capable using them. Knives are for small chores. In short, it's all in what you use, like & understand. Thanks for the even treatment.
@goofysurfer03 Not a 100% sure of the name of the song but you will find a most of jason Shaws music at (all the w's) audionautix(dot)com, hope that helps
Do you happen to bring a knife sharpener with you on most trips Nutn? Maybe it makes sense for more of an extended stay. I have the Spyderco Tri-Angle Sharpener and it works absolute WONDERS with blades. Epic sharpness.
Say, Nutnfancy, i think an axe is good for chopping down a tree, at least better than a knive but that large knive you handled is better for cutting the wood and a lot safer to use I guess!! Good camerawork , as allways !! good luck , Jack!
I love that you finally gave the axe an equal opportunity to the knives (quality-wise--the fiskars or whatever you tested previously didn't seem up to the task). Also I think you gave it a better opportunity to prove itself by getting out with Crocket and really perfecting your technique. This said, for my purposes it's still very hard to take twice the weight of an analagous lightweight knife, but it's very good to see some ax use from you to compare the knives. You don seem 2 c that w/ others.
I just saw three great pieces of equipment, 2 knives and 1 axe. I have a Gerber axes and it doesn't go through wood that easy. I know you and Cr0ckert are more experience than me. In time I'll learn to. I enjoy splitting the wood for a fire. The two of you have taught me that skill. I was pleased to learn some things about an axe too. This make watching your videos a pleasure the learning, building the memories. Thank you once again.
@nutnfancy Why did you try to make pencil-sized kindling with that GB axe? Was it just to test to see how easy (or difficult) it was?
Normally, the people who carry axes like that instead of large knives also carry a small fixed blade like a Mora (which they'll use for the smaller tasks like making small kindling). But if you could only carry one tool or only wanted to carry one tool, the large fixed blade is almost definitely the choice cause it's sort of the best of both worlds.
A hand forged tomahawk is the single most useful trail tool...ever. I have carried one in the Rockies for years. Also much lighter than an axe, of most any size.
What I like about nutns videos are that there is no fancy (no pun intended) skills or know-it-all attitudes....it's all on camera....try different methods, and develop your own system. That's such an awesome way to make videos.....also encourages me to broaden my horizons and try out the saw/axe techniques. Keep the vids comin!
should of called this video " ax guys suck it" the buck was more efficient for most of those jobs. that ax still rocks though. this video shows the weakness of both cutting tools.
let's be honest with each other here.....john fitzen's predator or frankenstein was the perfect blend of both the GB axe pictured here and a large survival knife too!!
People want what will take less calories, but if you break your knife your going to burn a whole lot of calories trying to find a way to split wood without a knife. and people say that "well you need a wedge when you take ax in the woods". Well you need a baton for a knife. So either way your dependant on a piece of wood. I take both ax and knife ax for ax and knife for knife
why does everyone baton wood with there knives? it is good having a knife with the capability to baton logs for an in case scenario but not every time you go in the woods i just watched a vid on the hoodlum breaking because batoning logs and it broke right at that little notch, use a knife for a knife and an ax for an ax
@ValorSurvival for me an axe is to heavy to carry on an extended hike trip, where as i can carry a blade and saw that will do the same job of an axe for a lot less weight, Axes are fine if your not going too far , car camping or you dont mind carry'n the extra weight (each their own), can you post the link to the vid of the Hoodlum breaking (as thats the first one iv heard of failing)
@ValorSurvival Yep just found it and watched, have to say that was a massive knot/limb joint that the he was trying to pass the Hoodlum thru! to be honest i would not try to use the Hoodlum on such a peice of wood (i would'v sawed it dwn to shorter lengths and skipped the massive knot/limb joint) but yep that did fail but to be fair thats asking a lot from the Hoodlum, been using my SP-10 for awhile now on Aussie hardwood no issues (much thicker blade than the Hood thou) conti..
@ValorSurvival conti. Again i have no issues with pple taking/using an axe, just not for me(tend to go on long extended hikes where weight becomes an issue). A folding saw and a blade will do the work of an axe (plus a lot more other tasks that an axe is not so good for) for a lot less weight. cheers and take care
@ValorSurvival I don't see the same sized knot he was trying to blow through with the Hoodlum, nor do i see the same size baton he was using on the Hoodlum as well as going through the other blade. Just making an observation.
@ValorSurvival I don't see the same sized knot he was trying to blow through with the Hoodlum. nor do i see the same size baton he was using on the Hoodlum as well. Just making an observation.
Question: instead of pulling the axe head out and switching to the wedge, is it possible to baton the axe handle, letting the head act as a wedge (hold the end of the handle with your hand and baton near the axe head), or would that break the handle? Maybe I'm answering my own question, but I suppose you also run the risk of getting the axe stuck if the wood is too thick.
@TheDishD LMFAO!!! DISHYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! BRO! I haven't been flowing through YouTube land in quite awhile and I'm sorry for slightly losing track of some great friends such as yourself. How are you bro? I'm .... doing what I can and thank you.
this video obviously shows a knife is superior to a axe for a back packing /camping scenereo im in the market to buy one, my local gunshop has a hoodlum i looked at but ive also been looking at the trailmaster in sk-5 what would u recommend ? and also will repeated use of your knife for log spilitting eventually weaken the blade and cause it to fail ?
@Maddawwg45 either are great blades, its realy personal choice, but the TM is heavier of the 2, as to weakening the blade due to batoning, no way, its built to to spilt wood, as Nutn say metal v's wood metal will/should win everytime, hope this helps mate
@TheDishD It does, i actually like the thicker blade of the TM, i need to buy that hoodlum as well for collectors sake though. Nutn gets a bad rap from what ive seen and i try to stay outta it but from what ive seen this is what happens when ppl get jelous of other ppls popularity he obviously knows what hes talking about and there are lots whom want to be or claim to have the same knowledge ,i myself value his opinion and just remember this Imitation is the highest form of flattery
@Maddawwg45 Right on bro, too true on the whole "Tall Poppy" situ, Nutn has always presented kit/idea etc in a balanced veiw, some pple just cant handle his success and are green with envy. Yes i too will be getting the Hoodlum, not only a great blade but its a collectors piece now too, best wishes to you and yours stay safe mate
LOL! GEEEEEZZZZZ If it works right there on camera for you over and over and over....why fight it? Why would he want to spray crap on his tools for 20 yrs if it was hurting them? He actually uses his stuff too........
13:28 "Your job now is to do the same thing, however you want to, with that ax." I would've used the ax as the baton to put the Hoodlum through the logs. ;)
Great work guys and I like the axe front and center. I second checking out the ray mears vids on axe work and there is a few other guys here on youtube that use an axe very well ie. Iawoodsman & Skogkniv to name a couple. I'm still learning but it sure is fun. Thanks for the trip and the data points.
Another excellent vid! The music fits it well too. Will there be another episode of "Moonscape"? Will it be a feature length film? Will it come out in the theaters?? Will Nut'n and Crocket come to blows? Will it be an axe verses a knife fight?? Will one lose a finger or leg? WIll there be snow blindness? Will they remain friends?? Stay tuned for the next....possible..... episode of Moonscape Backpackingggg!
@1LimaUniformLimaZulu lmao magpul classes? formal training? you fail to realize this is a channel not for mil/leo only but for everday joe's too? find where i wrote that its a firearms lubricant please, as for knife(saw is where i'd use it but sure) lube, it works alright. No one is talking about using it as a replacement for something like chainsaw oil, out in the wilderness and in a cold environment it can work, maybe not the best choice but there's nothing wrong with using it, experiment...
@nutnfancy i tried calming him down and taking it one step at a time but i believe he just dumped his rage and blocked me... lol(sorry for taking this off topic)
@nutnfancy Ha true it does keep them off the streets and in Mummies basement and as far as the broken hoodlum great minds think alike! Ha well Nutn and Hobbes have the great minds anyway, well Hobbes mind just needs a clean up now and agan thou..ha, cheers and take care Veri =]
By the way, I already had a Fiskars hatchet. Nice little unit and pretty lightweight. Not afraid to carry that one in my backpack at all. I like the hatchet/axe option but mostly because I have always carried one backpacking since I was a kid. I'll add that my Fiskars hatchet blade did chip on standard light duty woodscraft just like yours did in one of your other camping/firemaking video's.....Southeast firemaking vid if my memory serves.
I ordered the Granfors Bruks Small Forest Axe this weekend. I've been wanting one since a buddy of mine brought his Grandfors hatchet on a camping trip in WV in late spring. Great tool and extremely sharp! Very quality piece! Can't wait for mine to come in!
Thanks for the video's! Have greatly helped me over this past week recovering from sinus surgery! Always good to have an excuse to watch your video's but I was laid up anyway so helped me pass the time!
God damn youtube comment character restrictions. I'm really enjoying this series Nutn, I'm glad you decided to give the axe a bit more camera time, and glad you're liking it so much. They are a very versatile tool.
Another point I picked up from Ray Mears is this - Never let the axe head drop too far below the level of your gripped hands when swinging the axe down for splitting and things - that will ensure that the axe can't swing down, under your hands and back at your legs - it will always head straight down into whatever you're splitting - something we all worry out (rightly!). Anyone who's used one enough will know if the weight behind that heavy head wants to go in a particular direction.. IT WILL!!
One of the biggest points about splitting with axes vs knives for me is that with an axe you have a big, heavy, SHARP hunk of steel flying about which can deflect into your soft pink limbs. Using a knife, the blade is pretty much static and all you have swinging is a chunk of wood which at most will give you a nice ol' bruise. I also like the exacting aim you have with a knife - again, as it is stationary and with the axe you need a lot of experience to learn your technique. Great vid dudes!!
Can you baton with an Axe, can the handle take the hits?
I guess this video is showing me some of the versatility of the axe. Seems there is a lot you can do, and adjusting the leverage of the swing could open up a lot of options.
First of all I want to thank TNP for another superb video. It's fun to see that you give the axes some credit as well. While you did find some extremely high quality wood, the axe splitting looks much more ergonomic than the batoning.
The axe is heavier to carry in your pack, but if you add the weight of the baton log to the knife, and consider you holding it in one hand, I would say it wears you out more than the axe...
@1LimaUniformLimaZulu "WD-40 literally stands for Water Displacement, 40th attempt. That's the name straight out of the lab book used by the chemist who developed WD-40 back in 1953. The chemist, Norm Larsen, was attempting to concoct a formula to prevent corrosion-a task which is done by displacing water. Norm's persistence paid off when he perfected the formula on his 40th try"
@TheDishD WD40 is nothing but mineral oil. It does not LUBRICATE it is not for a firearm or knife. it is not a nuclear missile or a door hinge. Use proper lube
@1LimaUniformLimaZulu why are you stressing? let the man use what works for him and stop pretending to know everything because you may be wrong ( you are but you wont admit that so lets pretend you just don't have all the information; ie. experience using it in the role its being used for here) so why don't you go use it and test it for yourself and show us how your blades rust from the use of wd-40 on video. Nutn has proof it works for him on many vids, so how about you go show us why it doesnt
@1LimaUniformLimaZulu That your opinion and dont go to my channel page and post rude comments( my daughter reads my channel page ) want to abuse me or Nutn keep it to the video posts you twat.
@1LimaUniformLimaZulu W ater D isplacement The 40 stands for forumula number 40. It was never designed as a lubricant, but will lubricate for short periods of time. Check out my earlier post on this...a page or 2 back.
You are competely and utterly ignorant in the use of WD-40. All WD-40 does is displace water, and LIGHTLY lubricates with fricking mineral oil. WD-40 was developed to displace water from Nuclear Missiles. It is in no way shape or form a proper lubricant, it is a WATER displacement agent that leaves a shiny film that will NOT penetrate into steel. Breakfree CLP or MIlitec, or any other expensive oil will work in that role.
@1LimaUniformLimaZulu "LUBRICATES: WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and tenaciously held to all moving parts. PROTECTS: WD-40 protects metal surfaces with corrosion-resistant ingredients to shield against moisture and other corrosive elements." Just an FYI from WD-40 website
@Oheeeoh Umm where in the vid Nutn hacking up live trees? if your talking about de-limbing the tree then your the idiot.. as all the limbs where dead(and by the look of the tree it was dead limbed all the way to the top therefore it was dead) and what do you think forestry departments/Industry do when they prune their plantations? Nutn has many times stated that he wont cut down living trees unless its a survival situ, so please forward this vid to who ever you like and waste their time.
@Oheeeoh I implore you to watch the vid again. Tell me exactly what time anything live was being cut down. If you like I can save you time and tell you nothing live was cut down.
@Oheeeoh those trees where very dry from what you can even see on the video, and the branches off the trees they sniped where bone dry, and they probably did the trees a favor because now a new branch can grow from the same spot during the growing season.
@LogicalTerror Spot on LT, they where all very dry and yes the forestry dept/industry prune as many dead limbs as they can to promote new growth, take care mate
Hey guys as a secondary sheath for the K-Bar Heavy Bowie, what do you suggest? Chestnut Ridge Kydex? or does K-Bar make their own Kydex hardsheath for that type of long wide blade style of knife? just purchased one but I dont think the Kydex sheath I ordered along with it will allow it to fit apparently. lookin' to see what other types of sheathing I can use/buy to store it rather than the sheath it came with (wasn't impressed with the sheath.) Thanks in advance.
My eyes are opened. The big blade is so much better. Oh wow.
1911aces 1 week ago
great tribute.
1911aces 1 week ago
esee junglas or buck hoodlum, have you done a review on the esee junglas would be nice to see, trying to decide between the 2 of them. There is a buck hoodlum failure on youtube right at the notch.
TheBrownsquad 1 week ago
@Kylef7735 It's not really that much practice needed :)
Try to think on how you'd swing a baseballbat. You'd want to build up as much kenetic energy as you can before impact, but you will be doing it by speed and not by strenght. The axe works the same way. Of course a bat doesn't have sharp edges and an axe does, so you want to make sure that if you miss the axe will go straight into the ground rather than your leg or foot.
That was a shortened version, but YT doesn't allow longer comments.
MansTrueNature 1 week ago
@MansTrueNature You can't go out in the bush expecting to swing an axe like Jose Bautista swings a bat without a LOT of practice.
XSoutdoors 3 days ago
just stay on pavement cityboys...
agonyismyfriend 3 weeks ago
@agonyismyfriend Who is that directed to?
Kylef7735 2 weeks ago in playlist More videos from nutnfancy
@Kylef7735 guys on the video...?
agonyismyfriend 2 weeks ago
@agonyismyfriend Umm you must not know these guys very well.
Kylef7735 2 weeks ago
@Kylef7735 and you know me?
agonyismyfriend 2 weeks ago
@agonyismyfriend Nope, but you dont know them (its obvious from your comment) and i know i dont know you so im not even gonna guess.
Kylef7735 2 weeks ago
if you have to constantly process wood, i would not leave that ax home. While you are obviously biased toward the knives, I think a real comparison between a knife and an ax would be felling a tree, limbing it and splitting it. You bang on burning calories, the kife would burn more.
wanderingjeep 1 month ago 2
@wanderingjeep What about carrying it out there, along with all your other gear? Thats the thing that nutn is most focused on.
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Get some training with that ax!!! You are not using some really basic techniques that make it accurate and much safer. I am cringing and looking away often as i am waiting for a real shin burying ax shot!!!
wanderingjeep 1 month ago
no allie :-(
eddie1134 1 month ago
i just watched the intro and was sold LOL
eddie1134 1 month ago
Please, please get some practice with the axe and/or ask someone that knows how to swing it. I'm interchanging between "you're not using it properly" and "You're lucky you just didn't hurt yourself".
MansTrueNature 1 month ago 2
@MansTrueNature This comment advocates the big blade even more, it takes skill to use an axe, batoning or chopping with a knife takes practically none.
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@woodyman1390 I'm sure he appreciates the RESPECTFUL disagreement. personally I think a 20 inch ax and a 9 inch knife pretty much covers it all...
qzink82995 1 month ago
Haha. I remember being insulted a few years ago for recommending a hatchet or hawk over a knife for wood splitting to Nutnfancy. I guess he finally came around. BTW that is some pretty country.
TheManFromAlaska 1 month ago
Yo Nutnfancy, You ever lose a knife in the woods or in the snow?
devilrobrob 2 months ago
Hey, nice review thanks guys! How about the spec plus sp5-95? would that compare? I have been using it to chop for almost 14 years now
Bakkebeest 2 months ago
Well once u get down to makimg the kinnling with the axe then u can lay it doen on a long and there are some techs that could of helped u.
uncoolkid2 2 months ago
correction to the deleted comment about kindling, 38:30 is exactly how you're supposed to do it, perfect, very safe, controlled and effective. it's how I learned how to do it and have never injured myself doing it. also, the ax used in the video is too short for standing splitting, it's meant to cut trees and split kneeling. the downsides of a ax(mainly weigh) are forgotten when you consider the potential they have, the hoodlum might be lighter, but the ax will beat it in cutting down a tree.
flamedrag18 2 months ago
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flamedrag18 2 months ago
a thicker, blunter edge forces the grain apart and performs the split. a splitting maul or ax shouldn't have a sharp edge, but a blunter edge to crack the wood apart rather than try to cut the piece of wood in half. there's a reason that splitting mauls and axes were invented. a person in a survival situation usually wouldn't be cutting big wood with the ax, but splitting it like you did in the video with a wedge. the ax is a cutting tool, not a splitting tool.
flamedrag18 2 months ago
also, a ax is more useful in more northern climates where you need to cut timber to survive. I personally find a ax more useful when cutting firewood and cutting down trees. I understand how a knife is useful in small timber like you cut in this video, but a ax is indepensable in the north like where I live. making the wedge is a smart idea and I do it myself for splitting and cutting firewood with a saw.
about a sharp ax for splitting, that's not what you want. a sharp edge digs into the wood..
flamedrag18 2 months ago
ever consider testing a pocket chain saw up in that wilderness? to see how well it can hold up?
flamedrag18 2 months ago
whats the tiny little notch in the blade for?
jgsnipe1 2 months ago
@jgsnipe1 getting bone marrow out of a bone (watch his tabletop review over the knife)
BUCKrub91 2 months ago
I am so happy to see that you've given the axe a second chance. they are wonderful tools. though i am sure you will stick to the large knife, and i totally support your opinion, im glad to see you giving the axe a shot, and a good review
Bushcrafters everywhere are impressed my friend. Great Video!
JDFeniello 3 months ago
We're waiting for the review on the GB SFA! =)
donotstealmythunder 3 months ago 17
@donotstealmythunder STILL WAITING!!!
JACMAN02 2 months ago
omg nutn at 39:40 thought you were gonnna cut your fuckin leg off with a short axe like that its easier to kneel down on one knee
CollinOutdoorsJr 3 months ago
The axe is safer and more precise then it gets credit for .. There are some good Axe techniques. Wow ... That place looks amazing cold snow and warm sun ... Heaven !!
Beachcrib 3 months ago
Do it like Ray Mears does :) watch?v=2tUUctg6dfk He has some real good techniques.
nastymikkel 4 months ago 6
wow that wood is cutting easily.
ADMIND3R 4 months ago
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jpxole 4 months ago
That axe looks like its kicking butt.
bgomusicco 4 months ago
23 people that watched this video would kill themselfes trying to cut down a tree.
bgomusicco 4 months ago
u'd better just cut that tree down w the axe instead of the saw
nephildevil 5 months ago
@woodyman1390 saw takes less dude, there is no competition. I do love an axe though, I find it more fun.
Max11Seven 5 months ago
for me i always have a 3-4" knife and a 20" axe out in the woods. the weight is totally worth the the choping power, not to mention i dont have to worry about knife sharpening as much.
poormanprepper 5 months ago
A lot of people complain about Nutn getting money from addsense at least that's the vibe I get. I think he deserves it for all the time and effort he puts on his videos. Hard work should pay off and even if it wasn't hard its great information and great video footage still deserve some type of recompense. I think they're just jealous its not them =p I kinda am too.
kurupz 6 months ago
43,000 views...500 likes....Slackers!
MobFrenziedHomicide 6 months ago
Great new video and i'm finally back to doing my vids after my ankle injury. Here's the latest and let me know what ya'll think? just don't be to harsh lol
jarhiker 6 months ago
Nut...you and Crocket need to give some war cries while chopping limbs and trees.
krubbor 6 months ago
Nutn, you really know how to test gear and put it through its paces. I have to say that do learn a lot not only about the gear but other process you use too. Now, that is one quality axe and makes want to thow my out. I need to add a quality axe to my gear. Awesome video! I really liked the tent stake you made and I imagine you could make a toothpick too. Very impressive video.
xtremearmor 6 months ago
hey nutn i was just wondering do yall go to a park and do this or do you own the land or what?
usops88 6 months ago
@usops88 they go hike into the woods this is not a park
STRIKERBOY101 6 months ago
@STRIKERBOY101 I don't know where you live, but all of the largest tracts of forest in the US are National PARKS. It is entirely plausible that they are camping on one of them, and a reasonable question by usops88
praharin 6 months ago
I heard a dirty word slip from you, nutn! Potty mouth! :)
jomomma193 6 months ago
These wilderness vids are some of my favorite vids from TNP.
MikeG11986 6 months ago
wats the name of that particular axe
superassassin47 6 months ago
Did you ever review a "pocket chain saw" for cutting wood? Seems to have less potential for self inflicted wounds in cold weather, fatigue, low light conditions etc. Also light weight! There are multiple brands of those chains.
hroddie78 6 months ago
@hroddie78 Nutn perfers and has for a long time the Sawvivour. though it would be nice to see a pocket saw in V's vid.. take care
TheDishD 6 months ago
you should do an axe only expedition.
ike1053 6 months ago
Aww crocket20 evolves to the axe and teaches nutnfancy a few things.
XInnerselfX 6 months ago
Crocket's a stud muffin hehe ;0)
Valerieannleeh 6 months ago
I know nutn harps on weight and therefore doesn't dig bringing axes into the woods so much...but dadGUM the capability! And that's with a relatively small (though also quite expensive and extremely high quality) axe.
RandomArtistry 6 months ago
I have the same axe and love it. Once you get used to how the axe handles and just build axe handle skill in general it can really do a lot. I typically switch back and forth between axe and knife (ESEE RC6) for chopping, splitting, and splintering tasks just to build skill in both but purely for those tasks I would lean towards the axe if I had to pick one because it's more efficient for the more calorie intense jobs.
TASurvivalism 6 months ago
One of the best ways to spend 50 minutes-watching 2 men playing with blades and wood.Awesome series!
So5loW 6 months ago
if you drop down on to you knees when working with the smaller axe it makes a huge diff on how often it comes near your legs, but you are right it is a skill set. I have been useing axe's for fire wood most of my life. Fine wood working tool? not even close but thats why i pack a good knife with me if i need to do fine work.
Vaunripped 6 months ago
Wow, actually using an axe like ....... an axe.
rjander3 6 months ago
00:19 "shit"
TheTurnerMeister 6 months ago
going camping with you guys look like so much fun not just cause of the knives and axes the place looks so beautiful
LionKing1130 6 months ago
You remind me of Bam Bam from the Flintstones with the huge batons. lol
dheiser88 6 months ago
If you work with an axe and you'r affraid that you might hit your knees or leggs, Do as follows, with small pieces of wood go down on your knees to hit them! With larger firewood splitting use a big piece of tree trunk to put the wood on, so you can hit it standing with an axe!! btw. that big knive is very much more save to work with !!
steinderbush 6 months ago
next time you make kindeling with the axe use the baton it saves fingers
demonprince70 6 months ago
I've always used a fiskars axes. Finnish quality
razorsharpness4 6 months ago
I appreciate your honesty when you admit to limited experience w/ axes vs. large knives. It's pretty safe to say you're both major knife enthusiasts & really dig getting the most out of your blades. That's why you do so well w/ them. OTOH, many of us learned our woods skills w/ small axes. We feel comfortable & capable using them. Knives are for small chores. In short, it's all in what you use, like & understand. Thanks for the even treatment.
Don't be hatn' Estwing though! They're great kit.
wildcatactual 6 months ago
It's a little of topic but could you do a talk about different types of safes and such
MrYerbaMate1 6 months ago
holy shit nutnfancy i was losing hope in ur technigue and now u have a granfors bruks axe nice u won back my vote
andrewubaldi 6 months ago
Does anyone know what the chilled out song is at the start? Cheers
goofysurfer03 6 months ago
@goofysurfer03 Not a 100% sure of the name of the song but you will find a most of jason Shaws music at (all the w's) audionautix(dot)com, hope that helps
TheDishD 6 months ago
Do you happen to bring a knife sharpener with you on most trips Nutn? Maybe it makes sense for more of an extended stay. I have the Spyderco Tri-Angle Sharpener and it works absolute WONDERS with blades. Epic sharpness.
aermotorstudio 6 months ago
@aermotorstudio nutn' normaly take a diamond rod with him on trips, the tri-angle is a great peice of kit
TheDishD 6 months ago
Say, Nutnfancy, i think an axe is good for chopping down a tree, at least better than a knive but that large knive you handled is better for cutting the wood and a lot safer to use I guess!! Good camerawork , as allways !! good luck , Jack!
steinderbush 6 months ago
Good Music Choice,
keep up the Great Videos nutn!
JBK52596 6 months ago
I love that you finally gave the axe an equal opportunity to the knives (quality-wise--the fiskars or whatever you tested previously didn't seem up to the task). Also I think you gave it a better opportunity to prove itself by getting out with Crocket and really perfecting your technique. This said, for my purposes it's still very hard to take twice the weight of an analagous lightweight knife, but it's very good to see some ax use from you to compare the knives. You don seem 2 c that w/ others.
mysss29 6 months ago
happy to see the ax! you made me smile at the end...all that sweet talk ;)
QuercusLaevis 6 months ago
ray mears has a video showing how he uses the axe to accurately split small pieces of wood
peterngdotcom 6 months ago
I just saw three great pieces of equipment, 2 knives and 1 axe. I have a Gerber axes and it doesn't go through wood that easy. I know you and Cr0ckert are more experience than me. In time I'll learn to. I enjoy splitting the wood for a fire. The two of you have taught me that skill. I was pleased to learn some things about an axe too. This make watching your videos a pleasure the learning, building the memories. Thank you once again.
DennyRec 6 months ago
@nutnfancy Why did you try to make pencil-sized kindling with that GB axe? Was it just to test to see how easy (or difficult) it was?
Normally, the people who carry axes like that instead of large knives also carry a small fixed blade like a Mora (which they'll use for the smaller tasks like making small kindling). But if you could only carry one tool or only wanted to carry one tool, the large fixed blade is almost definitely the choice cause it's sort of the best of both worlds.
Skunkofoot 6 months ago
A hand forged tomahawk is the single most useful trail tool...ever. I have carried one in the Rockies for years. Also much lighter than an axe, of most any size.
jstech84 6 months ago
i still like using my CS Trailhawk paired with a small fixed blade ... that system just works for my neck of the woods
LoMo420 6 months ago
@LoMo420 "Whatever works for you" is an excellent rule to go by.
ericmwhalen 6 months ago
What I like about nutns videos are that there is no fancy (no pun intended) skills or know-it-all attitudes....it's all on camera....try different methods, and develop your own system. That's such an awesome way to make videos.....also encourages me to broaden my horizons and try out the saw/axe techniques. Keep the vids comin!
NASMTrainJH 6 months ago
What did you guys do with all of the split wood? The next camper must have been happy! haha
dashady187 6 months ago
should of called this video " ax guys suck it" the buck was more efficient for most of those jobs. that ax still rocks though. this video shows the weakness of both cutting tools.
MrBac00 6 months ago
let's be honest with each other here.....john fitzen's predator or frankenstein was the perfect blend of both the GB axe pictured here and a large survival knife too!!
paikmendez 6 months ago
Could you suggest a good edc knife that's between 30-40 dollars?
whitespace99 6 months ago
with all that scrap now and perfect tinder I hope you guys had some marshmallows and a nice fire.....
Armedlegally 6 months ago
Awsome video enjoyed every minute of it. Whats the name of the intro song please?
1097411 6 months ago
People want what will take less calories, but if you break your knife your going to burn a whole lot of calories trying to find a way to split wood without a knife. and people say that "well you need a wedge when you take ax in the woods". Well you need a baton for a knife. So either way your dependant on a piece of wood. I take both ax and knife ax for ax and knife for knife
ValorSurvival 6 months ago
The intro song is awesome wish i had it on my ipod!
killershark152 6 months ago
why does everyone baton wood with there knives? it is good having a knife with the capability to baton logs for an in case scenario but not every time you go in the woods i just watched a vid on the hoodlum breaking because batoning logs and it broke right at that little notch, use a knife for a knife and an ax for an ax
ValorSurvival 6 months ago
@ValorSurvival for me an axe is to heavy to carry on an extended hike trip, where as i can carry a blade and saw that will do the same job of an axe for a lot less weight, Axes are fine if your not going too far , car camping or you dont mind carry'n the extra weight (each their own), can you post the link to the vid of the Hoodlum breaking (as thats the first one iv heard of failing)
TheDishD 6 months ago
if you put the wood plain over the working surface you can hit easier to get pencil side of wood
facatube 6 months ago
@facatube look on youtube buck hoodlum knife batoning failure... it breaks when you use a knife for an ax but please you be the judge
ValorSurvival 6 months ago
@ValorSurvival Yep just found it and watched, have to say that was a massive knot/limb joint that the he was trying to pass the Hoodlum thru! to be honest i would not try to use the Hoodlum on such a peice of wood (i would'v sawed it dwn to shorter lengths and skipped the massive knot/limb joint) but yep that did fail but to be fair thats asking a lot from the Hoodlum, been using my SP-10 for awhile now on Aussie hardwood no issues (much thicker blade than the Hood thou) conti..
TheDishD 6 months ago
@TheDishD You and Hobbes are saying EXACTLY what Nutn said when he saw the vid... -- Veri
nutnfancy 6 months ago
@ValorSurvival conti. Again i have no issues with pple taking/using an axe, just not for me(tend to go on long extended hikes where weight becomes an issue). A folding saw and a blade will do the work of an axe (plus a lot more other tasks that an axe is not so good for) for a lot less weight. cheers and take care
TheDishD 6 months ago
@ValorSurvival I don't see the same sized knot he was trying to blow through with the Hoodlum, nor do i see the same size baton he was using on the Hoodlum as well as going through the other blade. Just making an observation.
74Hobbes 6 months ago
@ValorSurvival I don't see the same sized knot he was trying to blow through with the Hoodlum. nor do i see the same size baton he was using on the Hoodlum as well. Just making an observation.
74Hobbes 6 months ago
Question: instead of pulling the axe head out and switching to the wedge, is it possible to baton the axe handle, letting the head act as a wedge (hold the end of the handle with your hand and baton near the axe head), or would that break the handle? Maybe I'm answering my own question, but I suppose you also run the risk of getting the axe stuck if the wood is too thick.
curdit9 6 months ago
Wood wedge, It would have taken me longer to think of that. :-)
Abigsky 6 months ago
I could watch Nutn work on his wood all day long like this.....
wait, that didn't come out right.
74Hobbes 6 months ago
@74Hobbes LOL hobbes trust you to say something like that haha, hope all is good with you and yours brother
TheDishD 6 months ago
@TheDishD LMFAO!!! DISHYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! BRO! I haven't been flowing through YouTube land in quite awhile and I'm sorry for slightly losing track of some great friends such as yourself. How are you bro? I'm .... doing what I can and thank you.
Take care bro and I hope you're doing well.
74Hobbes 6 months ago
@74Hobbes Ha sup hobbes!, all good brother,il post you a PM soon, stay safe stay strong brother Hobbes
TheDishD 6 months ago
Wood wedge, It would have taken me longer the thing of that. :-)
Abigsky 6 months ago
this video obviously shows a knife is superior to a axe for a back packing /camping scenereo im in the market to buy one, my local gunshop has a hoodlum i looked at but ive also been looking at the trailmaster in sk-5 what would u recommend ? and also will repeated use of your knife for log spilitting eventually weaken the blade and cause it to fail ?
Maddawwg45 6 months ago
@Maddawwg45 either are great blades, its realy personal choice, but the TM is heavier of the 2, as to weakening the blade due to batoning, no way, its built to to spilt wood, as Nutn say metal v's wood metal will/should win everytime, hope this helps mate
TheDishD 6 months ago
@TheDishD It does, i actually like the thicker blade of the TM, i need to buy that hoodlum as well for collectors sake though. Nutn gets a bad rap from what ive seen and i try to stay outta it but from what ive seen this is what happens when ppl get jelous of other ppls popularity he obviously knows what hes talking about and there are lots whom want to be or claim to have the same knowledge ,i myself value his opinion and just remember this Imitation is the highest form of flattery
Maddawwg45 6 months ago
@Maddawwg45 Right on bro, too true on the whole "Tall Poppy" situ, Nutn has always presented kit/idea etc in a balanced veiw, some pple just cant handle his success and are green with envy. Yes i too will be getting the Hoodlum, not only a great blade but its a collectors piece now too, best wishes to you and yours stay safe mate
TheDishD 6 months ago
LOL! GEEEEEZZZZZ If it works right there on camera for you over and over and over....why fight it? Why would he want to spray crap on his tools for 20 yrs if it was hurting them? He actually uses his stuff too........
RockyMountainPrepper 6 months ago
13:28 "Your job now is to do the same thing, however you want to, with that ax." I would've used the ax as the baton to put the Hoodlum through the logs. ;)
apstewart 6 months ago
Great work guys and I like the axe front and center. I second checking out the ray mears vids on axe work and there is a few other guys here on youtube that use an axe very well ie. Iawoodsman & Skogkniv to name a couple. I'm still learning but it sure is fun. Thanks for the trip and the data points.
Nate
CdnLifeguard71 6 months ago
Another excellent vid! The music fits it well too. Will there be another episode of "Moonscape"? Will it be a feature length film? Will it come out in the theaters?? Will Nut'n and Crocket come to blows? Will it be an axe verses a knife fight?? Will one lose a finger or leg? WIll there be snow blindness? Will they remain friends?? Stay tuned for the next....possible..... episode of Moonscape Backpackingggg!
just add a great voice over and there ya go. lol
sw8741 6 months ago
@1LimaUniformLimaZulu lmao magpul classes? formal training? you fail to realize this is a channel not for mil/leo only but for everday joe's too? find where i wrote that its a firearms lubricant please, as for knife(saw is where i'd use it but sure) lube, it works alright. No one is talking about using it as a replacement for something like chainsaw oil, out in the wilderness and in a cold environment it can work, maybe not the best choice but there's nothing wrong with using it, experiment...
LogicalTerror 6 months ago
@LogicalTerror I blocked him. I was afraid he was going to have a massive rage fail stroke. ;) -- Veri
nutnfancy 6 months ago
@nutnfancy seriously, hes on a ragetrain on my channel lol, i just think he needs to vent or something wow... lol way to serious for his own good....
LogicalTerror 6 months ago
@LogicalTerror LOL he's going to blow an artery. -- Veri
nutnfancy 6 months ago
@nutnfancy i tried calming him down and taking it one step at a time but i believe he just dumped his rage and blocked me... lol(sorry for taking this off topic)
LogicalTerror 6 months ago
@LogicalTerror Your not the only one LT iv had this wanker post comments on my home page.. some people are just keyboard warriors with no guts
TheDishD 6 months ago
@TheDishD Well Dishy, it does keep them off the streets. ;) -- Veri
nutnfancy 6 months ago
@nutnfancy Ha true it does keep them off the streets and in Mummies basement and as far as the broken hoodlum great minds think alike! Ha well Nutn and Hobbes have the great minds anyway, well Hobbes mind just needs a clean up now and agan thou..ha, cheers and take care Veri =]
TheDishD 6 months ago
@LogicalTerror guess some ppl get pissy when their pov isn't as widely accepted as they thought.
quik876 6 months ago
By the way, I already had a Fiskars hatchet. Nice little unit and pretty lightweight. Not afraid to carry that one in my backpack at all. I like the hatchet/axe option but mostly because I have always carried one backpacking since I was a kid. I'll add that my Fiskars hatchet blade did chip on standard light duty woodscraft just like yours did in one of your other camping/firemaking video's.....Southeast firemaking vid if my memory serves.
TigerRagFishingTeam 6 months ago
I ordered the Granfors Bruks Small Forest Axe this weekend. I've been wanting one since a buddy of mine brought his Grandfors hatchet on a camping trip in WV in late spring. Great tool and extremely sharp! Very quality piece! Can't wait for mine to come in!
Thanks for the video's! Have greatly helped me over this past week recovering from sinus surgery! Always good to have an excuse to watch your video's but I was laid up anyway so helped me pass the time!
TigerRagFishingTeam 6 months ago
God damn youtube comment character restrictions. I'm really enjoying this series Nutn, I'm glad you decided to give the axe a bit more camera time, and glad you're liking it so much. They are a very versatile tool.
Keep rockin' Nutn & Crocket!
Smith28Adventure 6 months ago
Really like you guys going into the axe seriously! I have a Husqvarna axe myself, the best axe I ever had!! Experience makes the master!
Great video!
Groetjes
patje0109 6 months ago
Another point I picked up from Ray Mears is this - Never let the axe head drop too far below the level of your gripped hands when swinging the axe down for splitting and things - that will ensure that the axe can't swing down, under your hands and back at your legs - it will always head straight down into whatever you're splitting - something we all worry out (rightly!). Anyone who's used one enough will know if the weight behind that heavy head wants to go in a particular direction.. IT WILL!!
Smith28Adventure 6 months ago
One of the biggest points about splitting with axes vs knives for me is that with an axe you have a big, heavy, SHARP hunk of steel flying about which can deflect into your soft pink limbs. Using a knife, the blade is pretty much static and all you have swinging is a chunk of wood which at most will give you a nice ol' bruise. I also like the exacting aim you have with a knife - again, as it is stationary and with the axe you need a lot of experience to learn your technique. Great vid dudes!!
Smith28Adventure 6 months ago
That looks like fun!
Luccian22 6 months ago
yea a good chopper Like a Busse NMFFBM
MrWhitetailFanatic 6 months ago
I bet that was fun
MasonMars 6 months ago
Can you baton with an Axe, can the handle take the hits?
I guess this video is showing me some of the versatility of the axe. Seems there is a lot you can do, and adjusting the leverage of the swing could open up a lot of options.
colwild 6 months ago
@colwild you don't really need to hit the handle just hit the back of the head.
ironmonkeyz 6 months ago
First of all I want to thank TNP for another superb video. It's fun to see that you give the axes some credit as well. While you did find some extremely high quality wood, the axe splitting looks much more ergonomic than the batoning.
The axe is heavier to carry in your pack, but if you add the weight of the baton log to the knife, and consider you holding it in one hand, I would say it wears you out more than the axe...
BanjoJapeth 6 months ago
how would u think they would perform on harder wood such as oak or mesquite?
vex270 6 months ago
I was out this past weekend camping and what do I find when I get home? Part 4? Yes! Put a smile on my face. =D
Thanks for taking the time out of your busy schedule to put these together. =D
markshmily 6 months ago
TNP Rules!!!
scullkrusher 6 months ago
Also Veri, what does WD stand for in WD-40 LOL
1LimaUniformLimaZulu 6 months ago
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TheDishD 6 months ago
@1LimaUniformLimaZulu "WD-40 literally stands for Water Displacement, 40th attempt. That's the name straight out of the lab book used by the chemist who developed WD-40 back in 1953. The chemist, Norm Larsen, was attempting to concoct a formula to prevent corrosion-a task which is done by displacing water. Norm's persistence paid off when he perfected the formula on his 40th try"
TheDishD 6 months ago
@TheDishD WD40 is nothing but mineral oil. It does not LUBRICATE it is not for a firearm or knife. it is not a nuclear missile or a door hinge. Use proper lube
1LimaUniformLimaZulu 6 months ago
@1LimaUniformLimaZulu why are you stressing? let the man use what works for him and stop pretending to know everything because you may be wrong ( you are but you wont admit that so lets pretend you just don't have all the information; ie. experience using it in the role its being used for here) so why don't you go use it and test it for yourself and show us how your blades rust from the use of wd-40 on video. Nutn has proof it works for him on many vids, so how about you go show us why it doesnt
LogicalTerror 6 months ago
@1LimaUniformLimaZulu That your opinion and dont go to my channel page and post rude comments( my daughter reads my channel page ) want to abuse me or Nutn keep it to the video posts you twat.
TheDishD 6 months ago
@1LimaUniformLimaZulu water displacement I think..it then leaves a thin film of mineral oil..not brilliant but easy to source and carry.
bassfuryvi 6 months ago
@1LimaUniformLimaZulu W ater D isplacement The 40 stands for forumula number 40. It was never designed as a lubricant, but will lubricate for short periods of time. Check out my earlier post on this...a page or 2 back.
LVPG2010 6 months ago
You are competely and utterly ignorant in the use of WD-40. All WD-40 does is displace water, and LIGHTLY lubricates with fricking mineral oil. WD-40 was developed to displace water from Nuclear Missiles. It is in no way shape or form a proper lubricant, it is a WATER displacement agent that leaves a shiny film that will NOT penetrate into steel. Breakfree CLP or MIlitec, or any other expensive oil will work in that role.
1LimaUniformLimaZulu 6 months ago
@1LimaUniformLimaZulu "LUBRICATES: WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and tenaciously held to all moving parts. PROTECTS: WD-40 protects metal surfaces with corrosion-resistant ingredients to shield against moisture and other corrosive elements." Just an FYI from WD-40 website
TheDishD 6 months ago
great camera work on this video.
garrettzkool63 6 months ago
Sweet nutn I was praying that u had another one of the moonscape ones in store
12345678915161 6 months ago
Maybe I should forward this video to AZGFD and ask them what they think of some someone hacking up live trees.
IDIOT!
Oheeeoh 6 months ago
@Oheeeoh Umm where in the vid Nutn hacking up live trees? if your talking about de-limbing the tree then your the idiot.. as all the limbs where dead(and by the look of the tree it was dead limbed all the way to the top therefore it was dead) and what do you think forestry departments/Industry do when they prune their plantations? Nutn has many times stated that he wont cut down living trees unless its a survival situ, so please forward this vid to who ever you like and waste their time.
TheDishD 6 months ago
@Oheeeoh don't be calling people idiots when you don't know much about this subject yourself
LogicalTerror 6 months ago
@Oheeeoh I implore you to watch the vid again. Tell me exactly what time anything live was being cut down. If you like I can save you time and tell you nothing live was cut down.
Cr0cket20 6 months ago
Why are you hacking up living trees?
Oheeeoh 6 months ago
@Oheeeoh those trees where very dry from what you can even see on the video, and the branches off the trees they sniped where bone dry, and they probably did the trees a favor because now a new branch can grow from the same spot during the growing season.
LogicalTerror 6 months ago
@LogicalTerror Spot on LT, they where all very dry and yes the forestry dept/industry prune as many dead limbs as they can to promote new growth, take care mate
TheDishD 6 months ago
R.I.P. Ron. You won't be forgotten!
jetpowered1 6 months ago
Hey guys as a secondary sheath for the K-Bar Heavy Bowie, what do you suggest? Chestnut Ridge Kydex? or does K-Bar make their own Kydex hardsheath for that type of long wide blade style of knife? just purchased one but I dont think the Kydex sheath I ordered along with it will allow it to fit apparently. lookin' to see what other types of sheathing I can use/buy to store it rather than the sheath it came with (wasn't impressed with the sheath.) Thanks in advance.
quik876 6 months ago
You swore, was that your first time? Great video.
pr4runner 6 months ago
@pr4runner probably first time actually caught on camera. we all slip sometimes. bound to happen sooner or later.
quik876 6 months ago
@pr4runner probably first time actually caught on camera. we all slip sometimes. bound to happen sooner or later. Good work guys. 'nother good vid.
quik876 6 months ago
@quik876 agreed great vid!
LogicalTerror 6 months ago
I wish I had your job lol
GodKronos1337 6 months ago