Buran

[Plutoplatter]

Bombarder, the presence of 'burn marks' on Buran proves nothing. Since the supposed Buran 'flight' was conducted in secrecy, that fact alone leaves the Soviets open to a conclusion that the Buran failed to make it into orbit. For all we know, the 'burn marks' were made with blowtorches. Energia also was a dud. It was too expensive to use routinely, and never demonstrated any actual reusability. Lastly, good luck with Angara. Given the poor Russian history with BIG rockets, luck will be needed.

[gadinaaa]

Your false sense of pride makes you blind and deluded even when information is just a few clicks away. (web links are not accepted here, but they can be easily googled)

1. The Shuttle's automated landing system has never been tested (which means "god knows if the design really works"):

As a result, remote landing capability has been implemented instead which is not an automated landing by any stretch of mind:

[gadinaaa]

2. RD-170 is not a Ukranian design. It was designed by a Russian manufacturer NPO Energomash:

3. Nobody in the rocket engine industry considers RD-170 to be "four engines with common turbopump". It is single engine with multiple chambers no matter how often you state the opposite.

[gadinaaa]

4. Buran's airframe cannot be a copy of the Shuttle for a simple reason. Shuttle has its lift engines in the tail and pushes the external fuel tank. Buran was designed to be a payload attached to the rocket. As a result, forces applied to the airframe are completely different. If you do not see that difference it means that you are either technically illiteral or deliberatly misleading others.

[av8n4life]

@gadinaaa Internal structures are different, yes, but the outer mold line is almost identical. The Soviets used the Americans' advanced knowledge of aerodynamics in the hypersonic regime by lifting the OML of the Space Shuttle orbiter. The internals are Shuttle-inspired but completely different. And I think the word you're looking for is "illiterate." It's not an outright copy, but it stole a lot of intellectual property from the US program.

[gadinaaa]

@av8n4life I agree with your technical analysis. Some Russian sources explicitly state that Buran replicated aerodynamic shape of the Shuttle in order to save development costs.

Ability of the Shuttle orbiter to change orbit inclination and dive in the atmosphere over unexpected places (e.g. Moscow) forced Russian militaries to initiate the Buran program as a response.

Replicating design features of competitors is a widespread industrial practice (e.g. among car manufacturers), nothing special

[gadinaaa]

@av8n4life Talking about aerodynamic designs we should not forget that an alternative to Buran was Spiral orbiter that was completely different even in shape (you can Google it). It was proposed to scale it up into 30t payload capacity, but the Soviet militaries wanted a functional equivalent to Shuttle, so they insisted on the Shuttle-inspired design.

[gadinaaa]

5. Your count of US-purchased NK-33 engines as well as its future prospectives are not consistent with other trusted sources:

Overall impression: your arrogance is waaay ahead of your technical competence.

[Plutoplatter]

Actually, the Saturn V was the most powerful rocket ever built....and proved clearly to have been successful, too, in that its launches were all televised. The Soviets, with their deep love of secrecy, never televised any of its cold-war era launches, including this one of Energia. As a result, we don't have any proof that Energia was successful, either. Whether it actually put the Buran all the way up in orbit is entirely unproven.

[bombarderoazul]

When the cold war ended the soviets revealed all their secrets, there is footage of buran returning and you can clearly see it has been burned during reentry, the soviets did admit that the first launch of energia was succesful but that the 100 ton polyus weapon package failed to reach orbit., I am waiting for russias newest rocket the Angara heavy lift system, I read there is one configuration that will give it the ability to lift 175 tons!

[CopperFangunlimited]

the rocket impulsor "energia" was the most powerful rocket ever builded..

[smartalpha]

Incredible how russians has courage to launch it into clouds! :D Sounds like the "Virgilio" earthcraft in the film "The Core" penetrating in the Marianas Fossis

[singedrac]

Well it was unmanned so it's not like anybody's life was on the line.

[smartalpha]

I know, even if was anyone inside it, the launch is never human controled. I refered to the atmosferic conditions itself... a particle of ice could cause a nice disaster if was into the way of the ship at higher speeds.

[NickAlmelo]

Is that ok? All that fire, wow, how hot!!!

[ozzyscruggs1]

"bupah" is Russian for "snowstorm," and is one of the

few Russian words that can be typed on an English

keyboard. Superior liquid fueled boosters instead of solid, oversized highway flares, but pointless and

cancelled wisely. Combining human and cargo transport

within a single design means compromised performance from either point of view.

[buranfr]

More informations here:

www[dot]buran-energia[dot]com

[Batuhan489]

haha i visited Buran in the Park Kulturı

[pouceeter]

any info about the Russian cosmospheres?

or rummors?

please message me

[StaticEquilibrium]

too bad the Buran launch platform collapsed with the collapse of the USSR. There are still Energya boosters ready for use however the Buran plant was destroyed. The entire program, if funded properly, can be reinitiated within 4 years though

[Mike2k666]

Buran was grounded long time ago. It was really sad. It was parked like some POS plane, on a runway, rusting away.

[iTimmeh]

what the hell makes you think that?

[fgalue]

Sorry, but the HL-20 wasn't a copy from the Buran Space Shuttle. It steam from the lifting bodies which NASA experiment during the 60 and 70

[Proletarian98]

The Might of the Glorious Soviet Motherland can never be surpassed

[Orionsaint]

Whoa, for a sec I thought it was exploding. This is a rare clip. Wow, first time i've ever seen it. Awesome!

[smlemk42]

They DID try to sell that shuttle for 13 million USD in early 90's...

[Lotfollah]

The video is beautiful, thank you!

[blokjekaas]

great stuff!!

Did any of you know that the ´Energya´ rockets used to push the buran out of the atmosphere where the most powerfull in the world?

[vladislavg]

Americans copied Russian things, Russians copied American things, this is how it works.

[ancestron]

And everybody copied the Germans.

[akula292]

I heard Buran was designed to be a weapon platform more than anything else, any views on this anyone?

[Sergeyjap]

Eto bred!!!

It's not true.

[1f5sda]

No it's real!

[1f5sda]

please don't remove this!!!

[metalbass]

Nasa Built the HL-20 using photographs of the Buran.

The upcoming SpaceDev Dream Chaser uses many of

the design elements as well...

[ZontagBenhart]

wasn't the buran the russian copy of the shuttle??

[xf108a]

Yep and only flew once (un manned) and now sits in a park in Moscow. Another relic of the Cold War.