Stokowski and Serebrier Conduct Charles Ives Symphony No.4

[adam28xx]

The complete performance has been available on 'Classical Video Rarities' for a while now. Google that name and then put Stokowski in the search field and away you go. The work's Prelude is also here on You Tube.

[unmusica]

Why is this not available in its entirety somewhere? Or is it? THANKS FOR POSTING(don't get me wrong!) but obviously this entire performance was filmed. The score alone costs $85 (paperback!)- those of us who love Ives' music and this symphony in particular would certainly pay to own a copy of this. Just seeing these two brief clips is at once promising and frustrating. Who shot it? Are there legal issues? Will we all be dead by the time it's released?

[WagnerMahler]

great! I wish that there is at least, a video of the whole second movement... amazing and immensely difficult music to perform!

[armyofquad]

Was this whole thing filmed? If so, where is that, how could I get video of the whole thing? I have a 7.5 ips reel of this recording, would be nice to sync it to the video to make a dvd.

[momsdilem]

There are actually 3 conductors on this performance. David Katz is conducting the choral group at the back of the state. Stokowski was 81 years old. Senebrier sat by the Maestro and helped the old man with the rhythmic complexities of the piece. The piece is usually performed with two conductors at least. Senebrier is conducting sections where Ives has changed the key or maybe the tempo in the clarinets--that's what Senebrier's doing.

thegrowlingwolf

[momsdilem]

There are actually 3 conductors during this performance--David Katz is conducting the choral group at the back of the stage. Stokowski was 81 years old--Serebrier was sitting by the Maestro's side helping the old man with the rhythmic complexities of the piece--classical musicians need such direction due to Ives changing time or tempo just at a whim perhaps within certain sections of the piece--which usually uses two conductors anyway. As to Schuller's boast--yeah sure!

[HerrWozzeck]

And crazy double conductor action is crazy. I was actually lucky enough to see this awesome work when the Boston Symphony did it in March, and being able to see the whole orchestra going wild in this stuff is when you really begin to appreciate the genius that was Charles Ives. Thanks very much for posting this; do you by chance have the rest of this performance?

[HerrWozzeck]

I know Gunther Schuller edited the symphony to be used by one conductor, but he's come under some fire for that. As for one conductor, I have a friend who has a friend who says he can conduct this symphony by himself, but whether he actually can remains to be seen.

[Filmbeat]

@guatemalteco12

Hola Guatemalteco. Sí, en esta obra en particular, Charles Ives compuso su sinfonía N° 4 "para dos orquestas", cada una con su respectivo director, naturalmente, y cada una toca sus propias partituras al mismo tiempo.

[Cramnella]

The longer I live with him, the greater his music seems to me.

[Filmbeat]

@Cramnella

Hi Cramnella. Do you live with Ives or with Serebrier?

[allisonnooe]

I live with Charlie!

[WagnerMahler]

This is really fantastic and alas, I think we can not get the whole concert... Stokowski, who premiered that awesome symphony, was certainly a great conductor, and his assistant Jose Serebrier is great too... It is so ambigious to see "two conductors" beating totally different, as typical on Ives...

[adam28xx]

Very tantalising .. so can we please have all four movements so that we can hear the whole work ? Thanks!

[p0lyph0ny]

"When we began studying [Ives'] great Fourth Symphony, we found so many contradictions within. His music is full of contradictions within itself. And yet, that is so true to life -- life is full of contradictions.... We must give our education of music, and of philosophy, and of everything, connected to human life....we must give it elasticity, so we can bring into our conception of culture all the possibilities of life, which are often very contradictory." -Leopold Stokowski

[islandcrimes]

FINALLY some charles ives on youtube but why so short? Have you seen the church orginists rendition of an Ives tune? THNKS AGAIN