Or are sail boats which use air currents(wind) to move tons of shipment also against physics? They have no motor, nor batteries, only the wind they make use of.
You people should shut up and learn some real world physics instead of the idealistic vaccuum empty space physics you try to apply on this. Yes.. there is air up there, and no, it does not stand still... the air molecules move at various speeds depending on altitude and time.
It amazes me how many think that physics is going against this. Completely ignoring air currents.
The energy this plane will be using to travel can be gained from air currents alone. A glider does just that. According to your simplified physics model, a motorless glider should fall down like a rock, because it has no motor or any other energy source to keep it moving, yet the record for motorless gliding is 16 hours in the air, which means a lot of miles, depending on the air currents.
this might work and be efficient but it is NOT fuelless. after each flight you would have to refill the compressed air tanks and recharge the batteries.
Are you saying the turbines that compress air on descent can release this energy at 100% effiency, climb to the same altitude and repeat this cycly indefinatly ?
I think you need to obey the laws of thermodynamics buddy.
Boohaha, whoever thought about this must have skipped physics 101 in school. You cant have free energy in the world. There is always a loss when you convert one type of energy into another. Otherwise perpetual machines would be possible. We know that is not the case with certainty. Even in the frictionless space satellites end up falling back to earth if not boosted by some sort of fuel.
I'll believe this when I see it. You can't break the laws of physics no matter how hard you try... and I see some apparent flaws that I'm not sure have been addressed before. Any cargo, whether it be a human or a spark plug, will add weight. This means you'll need more helium to offset that weight. I just can't see it being economically feasible. These things would have to be massive to hold any sort of weight, and then they wouldn't be able to generate enough power without fuel of some sort.
The real problem with this plane is the supply of helium. One could use hydrogen instead, but contrary to helium, hydrogen is highly explosive.
AFAIK only the US has a large enough supply of helium for such planes. There is tons of helium in the upper layers of the atmosphere AFAIK but we need to get a 50km+ hose carried by hydrogen balloons up there to pump it down.
Helium is almost impossible to ignite, even if you try very hard and mix it with tons of pure oxygen, it will refuse to ignite up to extreme temperatures.
As for over-pressurizing the bags and having them explode, i can see how this plane would be capable of landing still. The helium is needed only to take away some weight. Contrary to a zeppelin exploding, this thing has long wings and is lightweight. It would land like a motor-less glider.
When accidently over pressurized the helium bags explode leaving the glider/ballon unbalanced insuring everyone aboard a slow decent to a an ever slower horrific death.
@howroyd Someone here missed a somewhat relevant 'hypothesis" known as the first law of thermodynamics :/
Where is this thing's center of gravity by the way?..i mean since that it is as variable as (and even worse than) the CG of combustible fuel powered airplanes, jeoperdizing static and dynamic stability.
Personally i won`t appreciate a statically unstable bouyant glider :/
In order for a design to be successful, it must work with existing airport infrastructure. How does this design fit into existing infrastructure use? Reconfigure it to be functional within regular airports if you want a successful design.
This is a very different animal than a zeppelin. A zeppelin requires a motor to fly towards any direction.This here requires no motor, just like motor-less gliders.
Unlike the glider, it needs no plane to lift it up.
Unlike the zeppelin, this plane is strongly dependent on making use of air currents. It is a mix of a zeppelin and a motor-less glider but with this very smart mechanism which allows you to compress the helium and turn this into velocity and energy.
@Nikjooo technically it is still a type of zeppelin, if you look at the basics you can see that. I really don't think this will be used, there are so many other ideas that would work out better.
I don't agree with that. This plane is more of a motor-less glider than a zeppelin. It actually is a mix of those two, but not only. The mechanism to compress the helium in order to descent and use that descending for extra velocity and charging the compressor is totally new.
I have yet to see any other ideas which are SOO much better than this.
This is a motor-less glider which needs no plane to lift it up. Add solar panels to this and you have something amazing.
Lets make a bunch of these and use them to lift water from the low side to the high side of a hydro electric dam. we won't even need a river. we can just keep recycling the same water over and over. Free energy for life!
Have you never seen a motor-less glider which can fly for long distances just by abusing the air currents? They use air currents in different altitudes just like many birds do, to gain velocity.
Different altitudes have different air currents, and air currents can be used to add velocity/energy to this plane. This extra energy can be used to compress the helium.
Not necessary for this to work, but a solar roof would add a lot.
It works. He is simply wrong and did not include air currents into his calculations. I mean, why the hell wouldn't it work, when a motor-less glider works?
This plane has all properties a motor-less glider has, plus more, and it does not even need a second plane to lift it up.
@otakukj if physics can't explain it, it doesn't exist. physics, by definition, is the study of the physical. If something doesn't actually exist, like ghosts, then physics has no explanation for them.
Even if you have stored compressed air to run the compressors where do you get that from? At some point a motor has to be involved compressing a certain amount of gas as at some point you will run out and air won't compress itself.
where is compressed air stored stored in and it has a defect as air density is not equal in all layers of earth and also when wind direction effect what happens to aircraft, please ensure these also in designing
This is a craft engineered for parabolic flight patterns, then? Wouldn't the swing-wings be under immense sheering force during these transitions?
Also, the manufacturing process would still have a massive carbon footprint.
Lastly, compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air
So generating helium and compressing air don't take any sort of fuel? Amazing! Fuel-less (sic), indeed. Just like ethanol is carbon-neutral, right? If only people were working on things that were actually improvements.
@TheVessapaperimuumio They never stated that any of these were produced using renewable energy, is why I comment. You gotta look one step back - almost all electricity is produced using fossil fuels.
Wait, so... it uses *compressed air* to run *air compressors* at the peak of its ascent? Wouldn't it make sense to just release this compressed air directly into the tanks? Unless they're somehow generating more power from compressed air than it requires to compress that air, in which case they should just sell that system, because Yay Free Power!
@jshands there are two different types of gas that are being crompressed. One is the helium... and the other is the atmospheric air.. And they are kept separate..
This may not be as "perpetual motion" flawed as it seems on first intuition. Everyone has seen the windmill on a treadmill videos? Anyway, there's much precedent in underwater/AUV gliders. "A thousand diving robots", "Argos floats"... It's all very interesting stuff.
The physics of the process is described incorrectly - you can't make the airplane heavier using reserve air *on the plane*. But if they mean they're making the airplane more dense and less dense, then yes, it's possible to do what they're talking about. That's an issue of changing volume, not changing weight.
Weight = constant in an airplane, or at least the weight won't increase during flight time. Science Fail.
Everyone who is debunking this with obvious things like valves will freeze at altitude obviously don't know that they wont because modern plains have many many valves for the intake and recycling of air for the cabin. They will not freeze and your argument is invalid.
I think this is a good idea and if it works then as a base it can be vastly improved, made faster safer and capable to store more cargo. People open your eyes and minds then you might be able to see its a pretty decent idea.
assuming that this works and can also hold a decent number of passengers, 100+ MPH is very slow for an aeroplane though it's faster than most land transportation options.
@Slackenry something like this may be most appropriately used for transporting cargo.. and it may be un-manned.. and/or controlled by ground base operators remotely. And this may be an alternative for transport, in place of cargo ships over seas or across terrain that does not have adequate rail to support the transport.. or for transport over terrain of extreme weather environments, above the clouds and poor weather climate conditions.
If oil prices spike we may not be able to afford air travel very often. That would make this vehicle more viable commercially.
What worries me is the thought that a vital control will freeze on descent or the aircraft will lose control at the point where it reaches maximum altitude, by floating up, but then does not transition to controlled flight. Brown trousers time for the passengers.
and if faster speeds need to be achieved.. It may have a modular jet or other propulsion device attached for greater pushing force and higher speed capacity.. but still retains the flexibility to detach the engine module and operate on its default drive systems.
If you use compressed air (at any altitude) to compress air, you LOSE energy and mass, as you will never compress more than what already was. As for the rest, plausible but not probable.
I think the author has a total lack of understanding of even the most simple dirigible. A rigid hull would be too heavy, even if aluminum is used.
Props on the concept though. Edison never failed to make a light bulb, he just found ways to NOT make one...
The major mistake that is made in ALL these 'great ideas' is that there is no such thing as 100% lossless system. All the compress/decompress/recompress cycles are inefficient and with each one you loose power. The propellers driving compression on descent is even a worse power ratio. Lastly the comment about no unsafe fuel is funny, since compressed oxygen which would be part of the 'atmospheric gas' compressed is extremely flamable the closer to liquid state it gets.
@upcycle Yea, but if they need compressed air, your not going to use current compressed air to drive a compressor to compress air, your just going to use the compressed air you have.
some how using compressed air to drive a motor that drives an air compressor can get your more compressed air? I don;t think so. This sound like a badly designed blimp that wouldn't work even in the theoretical world.
@codyrichter3058 the idea of using compressed air in this case is for energy storage of energy collected during dissent and climb. Also, there are two types of air (or gases) in this system, helium and atmospheric. The energy is transferred from one to the other when either the atmospheric or helium is compressed using the energy stored in the form of either compressed helium being released or atmospheric gas being released..
@upcycle you cant get something from nothing.....Build a model aircraft that this works on and I'll believe it. For now its just a stupid video trying to get a bunch of views. At one point in the video they specifically say use compressed air to drive a pump to get compressed air....Extremely in efficient and unnecessary.
@codyrichter3058 this technology is about ultra energy efficiency and capturing/c9llecting energy in the environment, such as wind energy, thermal energy, and solar photovoltaic, etc.
@codyrichter3058 this technology is about ultra energy efficiency and capturing/c9llecting energy in the environment, such as wind energy, thermal energy, and solar photovoltaic, etc.
you are pointing out stuff i dont care about , my first comment was in less then 50 years earth wont have any helium left so that concept plane wont be valid. what ever you said after was irrelevant to my comment.
cool, but has 2 problems looks like about 90% of the plane´s space is full by tanks & systems so no big deal for a big number of passengers, besides looks like it would take it 2 hours time to take off and nearly one to landing wich means a lot of time wasted for nothing apart from the time of the travel
"trust is providied by compressed air driven jet engines" No those would be Air turbines not jet engines, as Jet engines require combustion and heat in order to produce thrust. Also its not fuelless as i count three diffrent forms of fuel being used, Compressed air, Electricity, helium (also the idea of recompressing air or spinning up wind turbines) at high altitude to "refuel" is also flawed due to the air composition being less dense. the whole design sounds overly complex and ineffecient.
"Safer because there is no fuel to explode and burn"??? Lol umm first you are using helium for lift off; therefore helium is one of your fuel sources. Second, last I checked helium was highly combustible...one bullet in the side of this thing upon lift-off and it would blow to pieces.
@gattopoldo By def. a fuel is any material that stores energy&can be used to perform work;therefore helium is a fuel in this case bcus it is released into a plane compartment in order to overcome the forces of gravity&lift the plane off the ground. Very true though, He is not combustible; however it is highly EXPLOSIVE under pressure...&how much highly compressed He wld it take to lift thousands of lbs of metal/cargo into the air???
@gattopoldo ...that is why my proposed explosion is caused by a bullet not a lighter etc think about it. Nonetheless, sorry my choice of vocab was influenced by the fact that it was a quick youtube comment not my thesis...and ill also do my best to excuse that you wrote "thing" instead of "thinking" and "Lindenburg" instead "Hindenberg"...see "dictionary" and "encyclopedia" respectively.
@robobobo3 Buoyancy goes by volume not pressure, the bigger air balloon the heavier load in can lift.
I do agree that even an inert gas when pressurized in a container, could escape violently if the container get damaged, exploding but will not ignite.
You sound very passionate about this, and I don't want to discourage you, I hope you keep on investigating all aspect of flight and find a more economical and cleaner way to fly, that would be nice...
The website for this thing is at fuellessflight-dot-com. The discourse there on the plane and other technologies is a bizarre, muddy mish-mash of the partly real with a lot of misconception.
Whoa this is really cool. I wonder what a plan powered by Star Scientific's muon catalyzed fusion might look like. It looks like that company has solved the problems with fusion. Search for them and watch the video "in the footsteps of fusion." Jump ahead to 10min and 32sec if you are already familiar with alternative energies.
@nambinhvu I think it is more about creating a way to harness existing energy and being ultra energy efficient with technology and design of this concept airship.
@upcycle Sorry I phrased it wrong, not create free energy, gather free energy :P though building that thing would cost money, so nvm XP It would be like solar pannels, but instead of sunlight it gathers gravity XD
Uhm, what's the price of helium these days, and what are our reserves? Helium isn't like hydrogen, which can be generated from ordinary water, and once it's used, it's hard (if not impossible) to recover.
Perpetual motion is the natural state of any particle. The question to ask usually is why is that NOT in perpetual motion. Inertia of motion as derived from Newton's First Law tells us that if no forces are acting on a body then it's possible to find a family of reference frames such that the body undergoes no acceleration (stays in perpetual motion).
Just to pick up on one small point that made me laugh, though. Why would it "sweep its wings to reduce wind resistence"? What? is it not interested in lift once it has somehow magically climbed to altitude? Why not just fire the fucking thing out of a cannon.
Hello to the maximum of 10 passengers we can possibly fit on this plane! We will be arriving at our destination 5,000 miles away in... 2 days 5 hours! I hope you enjoy the flight! We have provided you with many puke-bags for possible motion sickness!
That is 5 minutes of my life I will never get back. As a physicist/engineer/dirigible designer I can say that there are many fundamental problems with this, besides the fact that it violates several laws of physics.I assume that this is being used to con people out of money. Do not invest in this scheme under any circumstances.
To have all the compressed air compressor air compressors, compressed air turbine wind compressors and BS-to-money converters this should weigh about the same as a modern jumbo. Serious compressed air driven compressor air compression by compressed air is going to be needed to lift this of the flat planes of idiocy. But after that it will be able to deliver people anywhere in the world at the speed of a tandem bicycle :)
Perpetual motion? Compressed air running air compressors to store compressed air? This airplane's got it all. But all in all, it's still pretty much a glider merged with a blimp. One that apparently uses compressed air to compress air.
Maybe with a few tweaks here and there, it might actually work some day.
Or are sail boats which use air currents(wind) to move tons of shipment also against physics? They have no motor, nor batteries, only the wind they make use of.
You people should shut up and learn some real world physics instead of the idealistic vaccuum empty space physics you try to apply on this. Yes.. there is air up there, and no, it does not stand still... the air molecules move at various speeds depending on altitude and time.
Nikjooo 1 day ago
It amazes me how many think that physics is going against this. Completely ignoring air currents.
The energy this plane will be using to travel can be gained from air currents alone. A glider does just that. According to your simplified physics model, a motorless glider should fall down like a rock, because it has no motor or any other energy source to keep it moving, yet the record for motorless gliding is 16 hours in the air, which means a lot of miles, depending on the air currents.
Nikjooo 1 day ago
I'll only be impressed when I see a R/C small scale demonstrator. Proof of concept.
fulcoed2 1 week ago
they should just call it a blimp plane
instead of trying to be fancy and call it a gravity plane
aalluri7 1 month ago
this might work and be efficient but it is NOT fuelless. after each flight you would have to refill the compressed air tanks and recharge the batteries.
skihelmetcam 1 month ago in playlist planes
Its not fueless, you still need to input energy theres a thing call loss in any system
OtagoMark 1 month ago
Amazing! When can I buy a ticket?:)
bunnybooties 1 month ago
Are you saying the turbines that compress air on descent can release this energy at 100% effiency, climb to the same altitude and repeat this cycly indefinatly ?
I think you need to obey the laws of thermodynamics buddy.
linorhino 1 month ago
Boohaha, whoever thought about this must have skipped physics 101 in school. You cant have free energy in the world. There is always a loss when you convert one type of energy into another. Otherwise perpetual machines would be possible. We know that is not the case with certainty. Even in the frictionless space satellites end up falling back to earth if not boosted by some sort of fuel.
sakritone 2 months ago
One could make a drinking game out of this where you take a drink everytime he says 'compressed'
newcenturyzero 2 months ago
I'll believe this when I see it. You can't break the laws of physics no matter how hard you try... and I see some apparent flaws that I'm not sure have been addressed before. Any cargo, whether it be a human or a spark plug, will add weight. This means you'll need more helium to offset that weight. I just can't see it being economically feasible. These things would have to be massive to hold any sort of weight, and then they wouldn't be able to generate enough power without fuel of some sort.
IgnorantRevision2 2 months ago
The real problem with this plane is the supply of helium. One could use hydrogen instead, but contrary to helium, hydrogen is highly explosive.
AFAIK only the US has a large enough supply of helium for such planes. There is tons of helium in the upper layers of the atmosphere AFAIK but we need to get a 50km+ hose carried by hydrogen balloons up there to pump it down.
Nikjooo 2 months ago
Helium is almost impossible to ignite, even if you try very hard and mix it with tons of pure oxygen, it will refuse to ignite up to extreme temperatures.
As for over-pressurizing the bags and having them explode, i can see how this plane would be capable of landing still. The helium is needed only to take away some weight. Contrary to a zeppelin exploding, this thing has long wings and is lightweight. It would land like a motor-less glider.
Nikjooo 2 months ago
When accidently over pressurized the helium bags explode leaving the glider/ballon unbalanced insuring everyone aboard a slow decent to a an ever slower horrific death.
MrSCGuy21 2 months ago
Holy sh**t! Does that actually work?
boomtao 2 months ago
This was obviously designed by an artist not an engineer. What a load of bull
howroyd 2 months ago
@howroyd Someone here missed a somewhat relevant 'hypothesis" known as the first law of thermodynamics :/
Where is this thing's center of gravity by the way?..i mean since that it is as variable as (and even worse than) the CG of combustible fuel powered airplanes, jeoperdizing static and dynamic stability.
Personally i won`t appreciate a statically unstable bouyant glider :/
nfntVita 2 months ago
Wouldn`t the loss of preassure and the heat produced by the compressed air ignite the massive amount of helium?
flesharms 2 months ago
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displaypicks 2 months ago
You ever feel the weight of a high pressure gas container.
watzupdawg 2 months ago
In order for a design to be successful, it must work with existing airport infrastructure. How does this design fit into existing infrastructure use? Reconfigure it to be functional within regular airports if you want a successful design.
BHawthorne72 2 months ago
Nothign new. Did the makers of the plans ever hear of "zeppelin"
it's like saying I have a cool new idea! let's make an airplane lifted by heated air in a baloon!
Ignuus66 2 months ago
@Ignuus66
This is a very different animal than a zeppelin. A zeppelin requires a motor to fly towards any direction.This here requires no motor, just like motor-less gliders.
Unlike the glider, it needs no plane to lift it up.
Unlike the zeppelin, this plane is strongly dependent on making use of air currents. It is a mix of a zeppelin and a motor-less glider but with this very smart mechanism which allows you to compress the helium and turn this into velocity and energy.
Nikjooo 2 months ago
@Nikjooo technically it is still a type of zeppelin, if you look at the basics you can see that. I really don't think this will be used, there are so many other ideas that would work out better.
Ignuus66 2 months ago
@Ignuus66
I don't agree with that. This plane is more of a motor-less glider than a zeppelin. It actually is a mix of those two, but not only. The mechanism to compress the helium in order to descent and use that descending for extra velocity and charging the compressor is totally new.
I have yet to see any other ideas which are SOO much better than this.
This is a motor-less glider which needs no plane to lift it up. Add solar panels to this and you have something amazing.
Nikjooo 2 months ago
sounds good until theres a gust of wind...
startrekwarsmixguy 3 months ago
I liked the terrorist part! LOL
OrganicKing 3 months ago
Lets make a bunch of these and use them to lift water from the low side to the high side of a hydro electric dam. we won't even need a river. we can just keep recycling the same water over and over. Free energy for life!
Steve55599 3 months ago
basically it's a balloon
Wembley0011 3 months ago
A pity about Physics getting in the way of a neat idea.
g3cwi 3 months ago 5
@g3cwi
You are wrong. Physics does not get in the way.
Have you never seen a motor-less glider which can fly for long distances just by abusing the air currents? They use air currents in different altitudes just like many birds do, to gain velocity.
Different altitudes have different air currents, and air currents can be used to add velocity/energy to this plane. This extra energy can be used to compress the helium.
Not necessary for this to work, but a solar roof would add a lot.
Nikjooo 2 months ago
@g3cwi there are things physics can't explain, just because you say so doesn't mean it can't work
otakukj 2 months ago
@otakukj
It works. He is simply wrong and did not include air currents into his calculations. I mean, why the hell wouldn't it work, when a motor-less glider works?
This plane has all properties a motor-less glider has, plus more, and it does not even need a second plane to lift it up.
Nikjooo 2 months ago
@otakukj if physics can't explain it, it doesn't exist. physics, by definition, is the study of the physical. If something doesn't actually exist, like ghosts, then physics has no explanation for them.
samurphy 1 month ago
Wind turbans?
Spheresome 3 months ago
its just a mini hindernburg with wings
ELFHUNTER50 3 months ago
sounds expensive!!!!!
Age357 3 months ago
This looks like an absolute mechanical nightmare.
pseudocaveman 3 months ago
Even if you have stored compressed air to run the compressors where do you get that from? At some point a motor has to be involved compressing a certain amount of gas as at some point you will run out and air won't compress itself.
MrJackStill 3 months ago
where is compressed air stored stored in and it has a defect as air density is not equal in all layers of earth and also when wind direction effect what happens to aircraft, please ensure these also in designing
hemanthonly 3 months ago
Definition of a fuel-less gravity-powered aircraft -
A brick dropped from a window.
JBofBrisbane 3 months ago
"compressed air driven air compressors that compress air that compress helium bags".....genious
maddog3400 3 months ago
Thumps up if you think that people should stop explaining why it does not work. He didn't get it for several years now and this will NOT CHANGE.
heinrich97 3 months ago
This is a craft engineered for parabolic flight patterns, then? Wouldn't the swing-wings be under immense sheering force during these transitions?
Also, the manufacturing process would still have a massive carbon footprint.
Lastly, compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air compressed air
autocon2002 3 months ago
Piece of shit.
eternalko 4 months ago
I wonder if they will use compressed air tools to create the parts.
occupythisbiatch 4 months ago
How's about stability?
TheJbach 4 months ago
You spelt aeroplane wrong.
ryangamv8 4 months ago
So generating helium and compressing air don't take any sort of fuel? Amazing! Fuel-less (sic), indeed. Just like ethanol is carbon-neutral, right? If only people were working on things that were actually improvements.
415NorCal420 4 months ago
@415NorCal420
Exactly. Generating helium or compressing air does not require any sort of fuel. Just electric power, no combustion processes.
OTOH, this is just a blimp and does not seem like a huge improvement over anything.
TheVessapaperimuumio 4 months ago
@TheVessapaperimuumio They never stated that any of these were produced using renewable energy, is why I comment. You gotta look one step back - almost all electricity is produced using fossil fuels.
415NorCal420 4 months ago
If this could generate the power needed to purify helium it would be cool.
Also, being a passenger on this would suck. Up down up down up down down up.
FFFFFUUUUable 4 months ago
wind turbans!:)
Mrnewyorknutbuster 4 months ago
and the people sit.... where?
Mrnewyorknutbuster 4 months ago
If he says "compressed air" one more time...!
david77fisher 4 months ago
Can you imagine how much fun we can have with all that helium?
maxim900 4 months ago
So basically It's a clever balloon, which can't carry much and can't go very fast or far (especially with load)...... Yay!
gregorycawthorne 4 months ago
it can be solar powred too.. hmm it sounds safer than the normal airplanes...
BigFishBigHook 4 months ago
Most interesting theory.
scubawrestler 4 months ago
Wait, so... it uses *compressed air* to run *air compressors* at the peak of its ascent? Wouldn't it make sense to just release this compressed air directly into the tanks? Unless they're somehow generating more power from compressed air than it requires to compress that air, in which case they should just sell that system, because Yay Free Power!
jshands 4 months ago 11
@jshands there are two different types of gas that are being crompressed. One is the helium... and the other is the atmospheric air.. And they are kept separate..
upcycle 4 months ago
except that much of the energy is lost
8Degtyarev8 4 months ago
you mean a "blimp"?
CaptinSully 4 months ago
physorg(dot)com/news/2011-10-makani-windmills-breakthrough-award.html
This may not be as "perpetual motion" flawed as it seems on first intuition. Everyone has seen the windmill on a treadmill videos? Anyway, there's much precedent in underwater/AUV gliders. "A thousand diving robots", "Argos floats"... It's all very interesting stuff.
Cyberdynewins 4 months ago
5 minutes to say "balloon -> glider -> balloon"?
DrQuailMan 4 months ago
The physics of the process is described incorrectly - you can't make the airplane heavier using reserve air *on the plane*. But if they mean they're making the airplane more dense and less dense, then yes, it's possible to do what they're talking about. That's an issue of changing volume, not changing weight.
Weight = constant in an airplane, or at least the weight won't increase during flight time. Science Fail.
olsonjanam 4 months ago
It actually isn't "fuel-less" it uses the compressed air as fuel.
AdmiralAbtar 4 months ago
Everyone who is debunking this with obvious things like valves will freeze at altitude obviously don't know that they wont because modern plains have many many valves for the intake and recycling of air for the cabin. They will not freeze and your argument is invalid.
I think this is a good idea and if it works then as a base it can be vastly improved, made faster safer and capable to store more cargo. People open your eyes and minds then you might be able to see its a pretty decent idea.
r4fken 4 months ago
@r4fken Planes even bloody dyslexia :P
r4fken 4 months ago
too complex, air valves would freeze at altitude
jetevovi 4 months ago
your title is misleading - it is not gravity powered - this is just another way of beating gravity just as fuel propelled planes and jets do.
claudelebel55 4 months ago
assuming that this works and can also hold a decent number of passengers, 100+ MPH is very slow for an aeroplane though it's faster than most land transportation options.
Slackenry 4 months ago
@Slackenry something like this may be most appropriately used for transporting cargo.. and it may be un-manned.. and/or controlled by ground base operators remotely. And this may be an alternative for transport, in place of cargo ships over seas or across terrain that does not have adequate rail to support the transport.. or for transport over terrain of extreme weather environments, above the clouds and poor weather climate conditions.
upcycle 4 months ago
If oil prices spike we may not be able to afford air travel very often. That would make this vehicle more viable commercially.
What worries me is the thought that a vital control will freeze on descent or the aircraft will lose control at the point where it reaches maximum altitude, by floating up, but then does not transition to controlled flight. Brown trousers time for the passengers.
MyTube888100 4 months ago
@Slackenry also, because this has capacity to float.. It may be pulled by other aircraft.. kind of like a tow truck or a tug boat.
upcycle 4 months ago
and if faster speeds need to be achieved.. It may have a modular jet or other propulsion device attached for greater pushing force and higher speed capacity.. but still retains the flexibility to detach the engine module and operate on its default drive systems.
upcycle 4 months ago
the laws of thermodynamics say no.
also I might add, what an annoying voice!
EviIDuck 4 months ago
so its a blimp on steroids...
MrSkittleBiscuit 4 months ago
OH YEAH!!! SOUNDS LIKE A HEAVY LIFTER!!! NOT!!!....LMFAO!!!
quantumcherrypopper 4 months ago
If you use compressed air (at any altitude) to compress air, you LOSE energy and mass, as you will never compress more than what already was. As for the rest, plausible but not probable.
I think the author has a total lack of understanding of even the most simple dirigible. A rigid hull would be too heavy, even if aluminum is used.
Props on the concept though. Edison never failed to make a light bulb, he just found ways to NOT make one...
leathernluv 5 months ago
This sounds like an attempt at a perpetual motion machine. You can't create something from nothing.
shaunpcoleman 5 months ago
This design just screams inefficiency and a lack of understanding of physics.
Zxceelxuz 5 months ago
The major mistake that is made in ALL these 'great ideas' is that there is no such thing as 100% lossless system. All the compress/decompress/recompress cycles are inefficient and with each one you loose power. The propellers driving compression on descent is even a worse power ratio. Lastly the comment about no unsafe fuel is funny, since compressed oxygen which would be part of the 'atmospheric gas' compressed is extremely flamable the closer to liquid state it gets.
yournewleads 5 months ago
show this to Popular Science.
schm147 5 months ago
A new take on the perpetual motion machine.
frid9999 5 months ago
lets talk about 10miles high, and boyle's law blowing your plane apart
turps0 5 months ago
@upcycle Yea, but if they need compressed air, your not going to use current compressed air to drive a compressor to compress air, your just going to use the compressed air you have.
codyrichter3058 5 months ago
some how using compressed air to drive a motor that drives an air compressor can get your more compressed air? I don;t think so. This sound like a badly designed blimp that wouldn't work even in the theoretical world.
codyrichter3058 5 months ago
@codyrichter3058 the idea of using compressed air in this case is for energy storage of energy collected during dissent and climb. Also, there are two types of air (or gases) in this system, helium and atmospheric. The energy is transferred from one to the other when either the atmospheric or helium is compressed using the energy stored in the form of either compressed helium being released or atmospheric gas being released..
upcycle 5 months ago
@upcycle you cant get something from nothing.....Build a model aircraft that this works on and I'll believe it. For now its just a stupid video trying to get a bunch of views. At one point in the video they specifically say use compressed air to drive a pump to get compressed air....Extremely in efficient and unnecessary.
codyrichter3058 5 months ago
@codyrichter3058 this technology is about ultra energy efficiency and capturing/c9llecting energy in the environment, such as wind energy, thermal energy, and solar photovoltaic, etc.
upcycle 5 months ago
@codyrichter3058 this technology is about ultra energy efficiency and capturing/c9llecting energy in the environment, such as wind energy, thermal energy, and solar photovoltaic, etc.
upcycle 5 months ago
IF HE SAYS COMPRESSED ONE MORE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!
apophis51 5 months ago
Lmao @ compressed air driving pumps to compress air to compress helium bags.
You can't increase the weight of the aircraft this way.
depth386 5 months ago
in less then 50 years earth wont have any helium left , that wont work ...
pipus4444 5 months ago
@pipus4444 Um.... Helium's not only renewable, but makes up 23% of the Universe in terms of gas abundancy.
AnkhorDraven 5 months ago
@AnkhorDraven dude i did not say the universe was running out of helium, Earth is running out of it .
learn to read before you comment !
time(dot)com/time/video/player/0,32068,31437479001_1914237,00.html
pipus4444 5 months ago
@pipus4444 Earth is a part of the Universe, is it not?
And I'm sure within 50 years time we'll be able to harness the vast amounts of usable energy from Space to some degree as well.
Also, I think you mean learn to comprehend what I read.
AnkhorDraven 5 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
you are pointing out stuff i dont care about , my first comment was in less then 50 years earth wont have any helium left so that concept plane wont be valid. what ever you said after was irrelevant to my comment.
pipus4444 5 months ago
cool, but has 2 problems looks like about 90% of the plane´s space is full by tanks & systems so no big deal for a big number of passengers, besides looks like it would take it 2 hours time to take off and nearly one to landing wich means a lot of time wasted for nothing apart from the time of the travel
keep trying
Mad69sur 5 months ago
"trust is providied by compressed air driven jet engines" No those would be Air turbines not jet engines, as Jet engines require combustion and heat in order to produce thrust. Also its not fuelless as i count three diffrent forms of fuel being used, Compressed air, Electricity, helium (also the idea of recompressing air or spinning up wind turbines) at high altitude to "refuel" is also flawed due to the air composition being less dense. the whole design sounds overly complex and ineffecient.
Lokivoid 5 months ago
This concept isnt the only thing thats HIGH. Honestly, does no one pay attention to what little science actually gets taught in schools today?
Remember: its "Puff, puff...PASS!"
gtrscarlet 5 months ago
This concept isnt the only thing thats HIGH. Honestly, does no one pay attention to what little science actually gets taught in schools today?
Remember: its "Puff, puff...PASS!"
gtrscarlet 5 months ago
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robobobo3 5 months ago
conservation of energy? overall efficiency?
djhatton 5 months ago
endless possibilities...
JusBlayze85 5 months ago
The Hindenberg worked with hydrogene because helium wasn't light enough. So this plane is impossible
igrecman 5 months ago
Need a lot more energy to work that it clams, and would fly like the vomit comet...
gattopoldo 5 months ago
"One of the upsides is that it uses no fuel" - no shit.
Kodiou 6 months ago
"Safer because there is no fuel to explode and burn"??? Lol umm first you are using helium for lift off; therefore helium is one of your fuel sources. Second, last I checked helium was highly combustible...one bullet in the side of this thing upon lift-off and it would blow to pieces.
robobobo3 6 months ago
@robobobo3 Helium is an inert gas it does not BURN, also use as a shield gas in welding processes to prevent metal to oxidize and burn.
You are thing of Hydrogen which is highly combustible, see "Lindenburg" accident.
gattopoldo 5 months ago
@gattopoldo By def. a fuel is any material that stores energy&can be used to perform work;therefore helium is a fuel in this case bcus it is released into a plane compartment in order to overcome the forces of gravity&lift the plane off the ground. Very true though, He is not combustible; however it is highly EXPLOSIVE under pressure...&how much highly compressed He wld it take to lift thousands of lbs of metal/cargo into the air???
robobobo3 5 months ago
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@gattopoldo ...that is why my proposed explosion is caused by a bullet not a lighter etc think about it. Nonetheless, sorry my choice of vocab was influenced by the fact that it was a quick youtube comment not my thesis...and ill also do my best to excuse that you wrote "thing" instead of "thinking" and "Lindenburg" instead "Hindenberg"...see "dictionary" and "encyclopedia" respectively.
robobobo3 5 months ago
@robobobo3 Buoyancy goes by volume not pressure, the bigger air balloon the heavier load in can lift.
I do agree that even an inert gas when pressurized in a container, could escape violently if the container get damaged, exploding but will not ignite.
You sound very passionate about this, and I don't want to discourage you, I hope you keep on investigating all aspect of flight and find a more economical and cleaner way to fly, that would be nice...
gattopoldo 5 months ago
@robobobo3 you must be joking right? :D combustible helium! I'd say you're on the path to the Nobel prize my friend.
mustgetlife 4 months ago
this is the funniest video ive seen today. its a big metal hot air balloon.
a10fjet 6 months ago
This may be fucking costly that concorde!!!
lightrescuer 6 months ago
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HeadShot360IN 6 months ago
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HeadShot360IN 6 months ago
The website for this thing is at fuellessflight-dot-com. The discourse there on the plane and other technologies is a bizarre, muddy mish-mash of the partly real with a lot of misconception.
qed100 6 months ago
This is the finest load of bullshit I've seen all day; which is saying a lot because I've been hanging out on the Internet.
qed100 6 months ago
Check if you are good in Physics! You clicked Like? FAIL!
a1xon 6 months ago
Whoa this is really cool. I wonder what a plan powered by Star Scientific's muon catalyzed fusion might look like. It looks like that company has solved the problems with fusion. Search for them and watch the video "in the footsteps of fusion." Jump ahead to 10min and 32sec if you are already familiar with alternative energies.
Dwvose1 6 months ago
To use compressed air to compress air, then have air generators to compress new air...
balltip 6 months ago
sounds like a way to create free energy
nambinhvu 6 months ago 3
@nambinhvu I think it is more about creating a way to harness existing energy and being ultra energy efficient with technology and design of this concept airship.
upcycle 6 months ago
@upcycle Sorry I phrased it wrong, not create free energy, gather free energy :P though building that thing would cost money, so nvm XP It would be like solar pannels, but instead of sunlight it gathers gravity XD
nambinhvu 6 months ago
@nambinhvu You cannot actually create energy :p
nickrohn93 6 months ago
@nickrohn93 I already knew that lol it's not creating energy it's harnessing it.
nambinhvu 6 months ago
I had a gravity powered plane once, It loved the earth too much.
nshamblin 6 months ago 28
The only thing gravity powers in planes is CRASHES
BeondaPale 6 months ago
Uhm, what's the price of helium these days, and what are our reserves? Helium isn't like hydrogen, which can be generated from ordinary water, and once it's used, it's hard (if not impossible) to recover.
terentii 6 months ago
its not fucking gravity powered its a blimp
theofficialstig 6 months ago
Stupid idea.
MynameisElliott 6 months ago
so it uses compressed air to power a compressor to compress air, that has to be the most thought out procedure ever !!!.
bro589 6 months ago
needs some energy to run all of the motors for each cycle. those turbines cannot regenerate all of the energy needed to repeat the process
davisotj1 7 months ago
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davisotj1 7 months ago
Wow! Talk about junk science!
SynnicWinterhaven 7 months ago
Thats not a plane, its a hybrid airship
zeppship 7 months ago
gravity powered? what a freakin contradiction!
MrFlamingtaquito 7 months ago
It's not perpetual motion but it does seem to be a combination airship/aircraft. Nothing particularly mysterious about that. Novel though.
DaveTheJackal 7 months ago
using compressed air to compress other air would result in a net loss of compressed air. This video/theory is a sham.
acilate 7 months ago
ohh a theory......
swedensy 7 months ago
The compressed air is the stored energy aka fuel.
aquietstorm1 7 months ago
Well? Build one!
edbapemo 7 months ago 2
they missed one vital point,where do the passengers and freight sit?all the space is taken up by gas bags....or am i missing something?
fj9fl61 7 months ago
@fj9fl61 your missing something.
creamofweat7773 7 months ago
Perpetual motion exists!!! its very easy! Just disprove the 2nd law of thermodynamics :D
Alwo8 7 months ago
Perpetual motion is the natural state of any particle. The question to ask usually is why is that NOT in perpetual motion. Inertia of motion as derived from Newton's First Law tells us that if no forces are acting on a body then it's possible to find a family of reference frames such that the body undergoes no acceleration (stays in perpetual motion).
velveetaslingshot 7 months ago
@Alwo8 ok, im on it! =)
creamofweat7773 7 months ago
if it becomes heavier it will not drop faster....
pietzeekoe 7 months ago
This is total bullshit from beginning to end.
Just to pick up on one small point that made me laugh, though. Why would it "sweep its wings to reduce wind resistence"? What? is it not interested in lift once it has somehow magically climbed to altitude? Why not just fire the fucking thing out of a cannon.
What nonsense!
Nilguiri 7 months ago
Hello to the maximum of 10 passengers we can possibly fit on this plane! We will be arriving at our destination 5,000 miles away in... 2 days 5 hours! I hope you enjoy the flight! We have provided you with many puke-bags for possible motion sickness!
AceOfSpades678 7 months ago
Could it have solar panels in the wings to power the air compressors? Maybe then it could work.
mookins45 7 months ago
use baloons!
mustang19ms 7 months ago
How many compressors per person? ;-)
Zephas99 7 months ago
yea this is crap is this the best we can do FML
nitrobob89 7 months ago
what if someone farts in it?
attackofnerds 7 months ago
pump up air in a balloon and put a lil hole in it?
iknowiamcoolno1 7 months ago
That is 5 minutes of my life I will never get back. As a physicist/engineer/dirigible designer I can say that there are many fundamental problems with this, besides the fact that it violates several laws of physics.I assume that this is being used to con people out of money. Do not invest in this scheme under any circumstances.
spacecadet35 7 months ago
Sounds good. Has one been built & flown successfully?
freeman8128 7 months ago
how much compressed air can we have here, i mean really!
Legoairborne101 7 months ago
At 1:10 ...
Air is compressed, using motors that run on compressed air... that is stored by air compressors?? What the fuck?
PattyMMelt 7 months ago
Kamakazi again......
Dru111984 7 months ago
fake and gay lol jk really cool
100alvinandchipmunks 8 months ago
This does run on fuel. Helium and compressed air...
The2010SnowDay 8 months ago
To have all the compressed air compressor air compressors, compressed air turbine wind compressors and BS-to-money converters this should weigh about the same as a modern jumbo. Serious compressed air driven compressor air compression by compressed air is going to be needed to lift this of the flat planes of idiocy. But after that it will be able to deliver people anywhere in the world at the speed of a tandem bicycle :)
mustgetlife 8 months ago 12
@mustgetlife x'DDD
Attiladesigner22 4 months ago
sorry sir but do you no where the airport is ? yea down by the harbour
Darraghk43 8 months ago
Perpetual motion? Compressed air running air compressors to store compressed air? This airplane's got it all. But all in all, it's still pretty much a glider merged with a blimp. One that apparently uses compressed air to compress air.
Maybe with a few tweaks here and there, it might actually work some day.
murilovsilva 8 months ago
This could possibly work if it had solar panels and storage capacitors. Otherwise, I don't think so.
YoungBrave2006 8 months ago
Hey, hes not asking you to invest your