At last, a awsome quality video & especially the stereo ( I think) recording of those awesome sounding engines that hasn't been spoilt, perverted or adulterated with music of any sort! (except for the bit at the end that doesnt really matter as they have clearly stopped flying!) I plan to view & especially listen to this many many times! Well done whoever recorded this!!! :)
@kiereemon absolutely right, as you can see from video, the Spit was catching up with ME109, but these aircraft were very evenly matched-a lot depended on the experience and skill of pilots
Definately a Hispano Buchon and if this is a 1112-M1L model it has a RR Merlin 500-45 in it hence the deep 'chin' air intake. Which is how it got the Buchon tag , it's Spanish for 'big throat' .
@AmbreEyes1 the spitfire could out manover the Messerschmidt the only reason the Messerschmidt was more powerful because it has two 20mm cannons were as the spitfie had 8 browing 303 guns 4 in each wing but the spitfrie was mor agaile than the Messerschmidt if this does not make sence let me no and i will try 2 explane it better
@BossRoss999-thank you for replaying to me.You mean Spitfire is a completely different type aircraft to attack from Messerschmidt.I have seen Spitfire in England which was displayed in the town centre.Actually it has a very nice looking but I did not know this function.
If I have a question again, please teach me more about aircraft.
when the spitfire went upsdie down the engine on it could have turned off. i cant remember what it is in the engine that makes it do that but i do know that in WWII the messerschitt pilots whould go into backward dives to loose spitfires. most of the time the spitfire crashed
@aarongama24 the early marks of Spitfire were at a disadvantage in combat with the 109 E varient of the Messerschmidt because the Daimler-Benz engine was direct injection where-as the Merlin had a carburetter with a float chamber. This was a distinct disadvantage in a negative g manouvre and many German pilots escaped from an attack because they knew the Spitfires weakness. This problem was solved to a large dgree with the developement of a float-less carburetter.
@ RaunchyRocker bas0704 is absolutely correct. This is a Hispano Buchon, the Merlin Messerschmitt. That same aircraft also has been used in the Battle of Britain movie.
Spitfire is faster and better in almost every aspect.
Heck no the Spitfire was not better than Mustang(Kiereemon).Perhaps when it first came out in 1941,but later models, especially P-51D model,was by far the best prop plane fighter,cause it was only plane that could somewhat keep up with ME-262 (first jet plane).Anyway,Spitfire was same category as ME109.But the ME109 was slightly faster & had better guns, while Spitfire was more agile(turn quicker)& cheaper to produce (most of it made of wood, cause metal was used for bombers & hurricanes)
The only things better about the P-51 was range and the ability to carry more rockets/bombs. Yo do understand the 262 was approx 100+ mph faster than any prop at the time?
As far as construction you best pic up a book... with small words if needed.
@0bronk0 ... if you read my comment, you woulda saw. the best "prop plane"... yes i know the me 262 was faster than mustang. but still some mustang pilots were lucky to shoot some down. i believe chuck yeager was 1st mustang pilot to shoot one down. but yes, spitfires were mainly made of wood (the frame) because reasons i posted.
Man... Spitfire were not made of wood. I don't know where you'd get that 'fact'. The first 262 was shot down by a Spitfire MkIX, and I believe it was a Canadian pilot from 401. Someone can correct me there, I'm just on memory for that.
@WingsofGold4045 ya you need to reread a history book there because the spit fire and ME109 are not in the same category the spiitfire was the plane to have to fight the 109s and 110s. the P51 was a bomber ecsort that what its role was. and it only chould keep up with a ME-262 from a 10k Dive right on to the deck. so please be for you troll read.
@MrMeanie234 ... im aware of that, but both planes had "about" the same speed, and about same climb rate... and im pretty sure you wouldnt want to dive for 2 reasons, 1)the 109 could out run the spit, and 2)if you "managed" to get away, you have risk of losing control by going at the speed of sound deppending how long you dive for. im tellin ya, ive heard many people say the 109s had problem turning (especially left, cause the prop rotated to right)
@MrMjp1973 Maybe Wings of Gold thought the Spitfire appeared in 1941 to prevent the Pearl Harbour raid, but due to lack of available trees the Japs got there first :-)
@WingsofGold4045 , sorry bud, but best check your facts. The 109 was cheaper and faster to produce for the Germans actually. Compare the same year Spit models to the later P51D, and out side of the range the Mustangs got, the Spit was it! Cheers.
@Merlin97 ... spits were not able to carry drop tanks. why do you think brits rarely went offensive? they didnt have many long range fighters... P-51 mustange ,P-47 thunderbolts and P-38 lightnings were some planes that were able to carry drop tanks letting them escort bombers so far into europe (before havin to turn around) then another flight would catch up when bombers would come home
Are you mental??? Spitfire made of wood?? The spitfire was a nightmare to mass produce originally because of its eliptical wings and all "new fangled" metal structure. I suggest you study your history books a bit more before making an idiot of yourself.
Good day. Well, nothing could keep up with the 262 Swallow. Spits, Mustangs and the rest - even the fast fast Tempest - needed to dive on them and catch them unawares, or while in the circuit. The 'ribs' in the Hurricanes fuselage were wooden strips, and small portions of the upper wing. But man, you have to drop this wooden Spitfire thing you've got on the go here.
Amazing! But it's not a true "Me". It's a Hispano Ha1112 Buchón. A licensed MEsserschmitt version built in Spain. You can note the difference between the two planes in the nose. There is a large air inake just below the spinner on Ha1112. But...What a hell! This video is awesome!!!!!
@RaunchyRocker And talk about irony. The prototype ME109 was powered by a Rolls-Royce Kestrel engine, and the last 109s in service utilize the Rolls-Royce Merlin.
Yep, after the war IIWW, the spanish messermichts got shorts of replacements and improved the messermichts with merlins. This plane was called "Buchon", and were the plane which played as actual messemichts in the film "Battle of Britain"
Some people don't like the looks of radial engines. . . but the F4U, 47, Zero, 190 are all very pretty planes. And the Zero in particular is just a gorgeous little plane.
I might have the model of the G wrong but I'm sure it's an early one (no later than the G-10).
IIRC Germany gave the Italians like 20 G-6's but due to some problems with the demand for the DB605 that the G6 used the Italians had to use some Merlin engines that they managed to get somehow.
After the war quite a few of those Italian 109's with the merlin engines were bought by an American collector. You can tell it's an italian one because the engine nacelle is fugly.
I think you've made a mistake-around 25 Me 109G-2's were given to Spain, not Italy to familiarise the Spanish with the 109.They put in the Rolls -Royce engines.The aircraft in this video therefore is a Buchon-the Spanish version using the Merlin and can be identified by the Merlin exhaust manifold and the odd looking air intake-thus the name Buchon which in Spanish means "big throat".
Production went on until the late 1950's and many a/c were used as Me 109's in the film, The Battle Of Britain
The Spitfire was a far far superior fighter to the Mustang P51 series, the Spit was much easier to fly and it out-handled the P51 due to its far better dynamic ability. Just look at the facts and figures for both. The Mustang was good for long-range duties, such as bomber escorts.
having read sigh for a merlin and other spitfire books as my dissertation is on the battle of britain ull be surprised to learn tht the only thing that ever saved the spitfire was the constant upgrades they gave it. these upgrades meant that far fewer man hours were used up and factories only had to re jig a few areas. the spitfire was always behind the germans especially when the fw 190 came out it was a nasty shock to the allies hence y it was called the butcher bird
Fair comment, although I dont think the Spitfire was ever behind the 109 in terms of capability, the early Spits had carbs to the 109s fuel injection. The Mark IX is my favourite Spit. The later Spits with Griffin engines and modified fuselage and wing layout were a match for the Fw190 in my opinion. I have 'A sigh for a merlin' great book! Thanks for comment.
in all honesty the 109 comes into the same boat as the spit. save on man hours and upgrade an existing fuselage. mark 9 is considered the better and as for the later spits yh they were more than a match for the 190 but thats after major alterations and a shit lump of an engine on roids lol but wen u consider the Mk V when the 190 came out it was well outclassed. np for the comment its nice not to get abused just for putting opinions across :)
@openedeyedbeast123 What you wanted was a Packard built Rolls Royce Merlin in your plane. This transformed the characteristics of one of the american fighter planes I cant remember which. Packard built to far higher tolerances than the Brits. and the engines were superior.
I think, the one thing I remember being said about the Zero, was that it caught fire VERRRY easily! Not very glamorous being burnt to death after your petrol tank has taken a burst of .50 cal!
""while you Brits were indeed fighting first, if the US wouldnt have stepped in you would be speaking German right now."
The 'US' was not involved in fighting until1942. If the 'Brits' had lost to the Germans, you'd be speaking German aswell. But a country with the RAF and a navy of 885 battleships wouldn't have been speaking German anytime soon.
Fix the damn broken record, and just enjoy the video
not tryin to start sumin point less butt tbh we wudnt have lost any way ,with the yanks help made it easyer but they still came to help late.we wud never of give in to the germans,end of..think of it the english government cant control half the english society etc etc
BTW folks..its also great to be proud of your country. Its also fine to have your opinion..but its amazing that a wonderful video of 2 beautiful aircraft can start such a pissing match. And I do have a question as to performance of the 2. Is it not true that the Bf was originally fuel injected while the Spit was carburated. This causing the Spit to starve for fuel in a neg. G maneuver? Or was that the hurricane?
WOW screamo...while you Brits were indeed fighting first, if the US wouldnt have stepped in you would be speaking German right now. Actually..a foulmouthed fool like you would have risen very high indeed in the ranks of the nazi party. Either that or just executed for the idiot you are. Nobody said the Americans did it all. But with out em it would have ended MUCH differently. Do the world a favor..read a book somtime. Preferably history.
Okey sure those planes were death-machines and killed so many people in WW2, but if you look beyond that... Those are the most beautiful planes of that time. I just love the bodies and the sound the engine's making. I never grow bored of it!
A bit of advice easycompanyairbourne - I really wouldn't flaunt your ignorance if I were you I'd try and and hide it. You are obviously the type who can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality but WHAT fantasy could you possibly have got that crap from?Grow up and get back to eating your potato chips.
flossy. You have not said anything here, only hurled personal insults. It is what I would expect from an English. I like potato chips, it is true. I suppose you being an English snob just eat posh food like swan.
If I have to educate someone they have to be at least half way there but you want me to start from scratch? I haven't got time. An ignorant comment like yours deserves contempt. Have you come from some back water place. Read, learn, understand. Then when you have something worthwhile to say - go for it
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Wrong. Americans are a peaceloving people. The US was not interested in getting into ant European war. The Germans declared war on the US. The Germans were then quickly defeated by the Americans, especially Major Dick Winters and Easy Company. America never creates war. It creates peace by ending war.
I tell you the ME 109 is one of the sickest planes ever, very underrated its turn of speed at altitude (not really seen here) was 2nd to none, the Spitfire was awesome, especially its aerodynamic manoeuvrability but for speed it was the ME.
HAHA...well you are close. It was your mad kind that CAUSED America to be created. That being said..why are we even discussing this. WHO CARES about the whole argument. ECA is entitled to his opinion as is everyone else here. Its amazing to see the name calling and unwillingness to even try to see the other side of the debate. In all actuality BOTH views are partially right. Lets just look at this video for what it is..a great piece of history flying by..FAST! Thanks to the poster!
It was a joint effort, right? It was British code-breaking that saved the American Merchant Marine from being wiped out by German U-boats, etc.
And what if the US hadn't pitched in? Hitler had designs on the US as well. If the 3rd Reich had starved Britain into submission, the UK wouldn't have been the staging ground for the Normandy invasion but rather for the New England invasion. EVerybody stop bickering like teenage bitchgoddesses and have an intelligent discussion, puh-leaze!
THANK YOU! Finally a ray of sunshine in this otherwise dreary debate! I will never understand the whole We are better than you argument. From either side. And why is this even being discussed. This was an AIRSHOW people.
I saw the Spitfire but I really missed the Messerschmitt, and dont come with the Hispano Ha1112 Buchon, the airframe is BF 109 lookalike but the engine, the front-end, I would prefer the Avia S199 with its Jumo211 in flight...The Spitfire is a very good design and construction, the Merlin crowns the plane, just like the Mustang
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You mean - God bless America. The US man is the finest in the world. He stands for peace, love and truth. All men are created equal under the great flag of these United States.
awesome video of 2 amazing old aircraft man,..pity about the dickheads useing this video as a forum to vent their issues with one another...take it somewhere else.
hey ummm you may want to straighten ur facts dude ... the russian people are probably one of hte smartest people on earth americans are actually one of the least.... and are on 10x more drugs then the russians so do some research before u start dissing people from a different country our education system is shitty look at the ratings man just please.
i don´t say americans are stupid, only that the us have a problem with their education system.especially in poor regions of the us. poor people don´t have the same chances than rich ones in the us. and this can´t be the `best´ education system
and i talked to americans, i´ve used to be there for 2 months
but u re talking you are top of the world, and i don´t believe that.
Dunkirk was a defeat but by withdrawing, the allies lived to fight another day. We did renage on our assurances to the French Government because we held back some fighter squadrons to fight for Britain as we knew the Battle for France was lost. Realpolitik. The allies did manage to withdraw 330,000 troops across the Channel and I call that a blessed bloody miracle. We needed that manpower for the dark years ahead, the time that most Yanks were still sleeping safely in their beds!
dun*g*querque it is obvious this was not the one & (l)onely (for gotten.c/hess has/s be gone;-) attempt to show the sisters in france and across the channels world wide our bride hope for peace will :just get fired merci-hired (unter heiratsangebot paris.mont martre rules o---k) hand some fritz the ugly chair men
You know if you ask the Yanks they would tell you that they were the only allies during WWII the British, Canadians Australians etc etc were never there.......
So does anyone with any sense - beautiful sound. Can't abide by these arrogant fools who think their country, whichever it is, won the war by itself - it was a team effort and it's deeply disrespectful to those who fought to suggest otherwise.
How many flying Spits do you guys have over there at the moment? I know there are still a lot in the UK and we have two currently, both at the same museum, but I've never really been able to work out just how many have made it across to the US.
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rossmum/phantom. Typical. Ignorant. Trying to use tricky language. Slimey stuff. Americans know far more than you guys do. I say again. Canada was not in the Empire in WW2. Nor was the United States. Get used to it. Your day has gone.
Hypocrisy at its finest - you calling us ignorant. How old were you before they taught you there were other countries in the world?
Still, I suppose I'll leave you to think your country is lord god king of the world and always has been. After all, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see you're an idiot.
rossmum. You are learning. The American education system is the best in the world. Of the top 100 Universities in the world, 82 are in the USA. The English education system centers on England. I have seen English quiz shows. Many of the questions are on English counties. Their knowledge of America is appauling. Someone did not even know what State John McCain is senator of. They also though New York was the capital of the US.
Any idiot can wander around filming hundreds of people answering simple questions and then cutting out all the ones who get them right - we did exactly the same and made it look like Americans don't even know where Iran is and wanted to bomb Australia as a result. You've proven nothing but how gullible you are, congratulations.
The American education system is the best in the world. 82 of the top world 100 universities are in the US. Americans have won many more nobel prizes than anyone else, including peace prizes. That shows that Americans are the most peace loving people on the planet. The average IQ world wide is 100. Americans have an average IQ of 112, making them easily the highest in the world. That is why Amerian always wins. More brains, more fitness and more courage.
i know the statistic you talking about, it´s fromm professor richard lynn
first of all 112 was americas result from 97´ in the newer statistic its only 110
and america shares the first place with germany (also 110)
and the statistic doesn´t show how intelligent the majority of the us citizen are, because it shows only the iq of university students and nor the average american :P
if you come with statistic know where you got it from
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America has a real history. It comes from the battlefields of Yorktown, Bull Run, the Alamo, Saipan, Wounded Knee, inchon, Bataan and Bastogne. The award of the Medal of Honor is testimony to greatness. The great tradition carried on in the Battle of Britain and Midway, and is alive today in the great battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. These United States of America will never be defeated. That's history. If you want more, see Hollywood, another part of American history.
You forgot Vietnam!, and what did your country do in the Battle of Britain? nothing, just 3 kills, and before you mention Billy Fiske he did not shoot down any plane's.
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musicbruv. You have no idea. It was Churchill who went begging to the US for help. The American people responded magnificently with the famous Lend-Lease program. Churchill later praised the American pilots in the Battle of Britain, calling the "the Few". Billy Fiske that you mention was probably the most famous pilot in the Battle of Britain, having won the Olympic Gold Medal twice.
What an ignorant moron IE TYPICAL YANK. Ignorant, arrogant, narrow minded, ethnocentric, blissfully unaware & disinterested in history. You have an opinion-yet ZERO knowledge to back it up. No wonder Americans are despised so much by so many. Get your head out your US arse & learn some history. Churchill did NOT refer to US pilots as 'The Few.' The handful of US pilots did not play a significant role in the BoB, especially compared to Commonwealth nations & particularly the Poles & Czechs.
Liverpool. Churchill admired the American pilots above all others. His own personal pilot was an American. The Americans did a great job, and did not boast and brag about what they did. American citizens are a humble and polite folk. That is why they are respected throughout the world. Go and see the film "the Few" and learn about history. God bless the President of these United States. God bless America!
Clearly you are no student of history to post such utter drivel. In view of your obviously poor intellect, and grasp of history, I have no intention of entering any form of debate or discussion with you because you spout nonsense. Yet another American idiot internet troll-how tedious......How predictable!
Couldn't give a monkey's what you said about boasting & bragging. The innane content of your deliberately provocative, historically innaccurate and US biaised posts highlights your utter stupidity. Ergo, I place no value whatsoever on anything you have to contribute.
Liverpool. My posts present the American side of the story. We all know the English side, which goes "we stood alone". Well, you are being educated. You didn't "stand alone", The Americans were there too.
Clearly, your ignorance of historical FACTS leads you to deluding yourself into thinking that the US played a significant role in BoB. It is quite obvious to anybody with the slightest grasp of the facts, that the US played NO part. The handful of US pilots came to Britain purely as mercenaries, as opposed to with the blessing & support of the US government. The only favour the US gave Britain was to SELL high octane aviation fuel to the RAF. How positively 'generous.' lol You are a dreamer!
LiverpoolScottish. Remember that Churchill's personal pilot was an American. the United States was recognized then and is now of producing the best pilots in the world. Right from the start with the Wright Brothers, the American pilots have shown the way. Great men like dual gold medalist Billy Fiske came over from America to mentor the English pilots, who were in the main products of posh schools. Did you know that the non English pilots had a far higher success rate than English ones?
Total bollocks. Your ignorance is incredible. The vast majority of RAF pilots were NOT public school boys at all. The bulk of British pilots were grammar school boys. Perhaps you should get your head out your arse & research the RAFVR- Volunteer Reserve & Auxiliary Air Force established in the mid 30's. The bulk of the pilots were from STATE grammar schools!! lol Fiske did not mentor anybody, nor did he have any impact-he had ONE confirmed kill. Enthnocentric US ignorance & arrogance as usual!
In 1939, about half of the fighter pilots were non English. The English were typically posh. The parking lot at airfields used to look like a starting point for a 'concours de elegance' with brightly coloured MG's and Austin Healey's looking in far better shape than the Hurricanes. Some pilots actually bought the local service station so as to keep their cars on the road. The true heroes were men like Fiske, Hillary, Johnstone and Cain who were from Scotland, the US, etc.
What complete drivel. Have you ever actually read ONE quality book about the Battle Of Britain?! Evidently not.
Pathetic. In view of your obvious ignorance, stupidity & ethnocentric bias I have no intention of entertaining your internet Troll drivel any further. Do not bother to reply because you will receive no reposte. I have no intention of any further discuss with an imbecile such as yourself. I have read your ridiculous comments on other YT posts & I am well aware of your modus operandi.
"I would quite happily punch your lights out if I could get within striking distance, for the odious nature of some of your remarks. In a word, you are a 'CUNT."
Comment from me.
This is pathetic. It is exactly what I would expect from the English. American people have more class.
Yes I agree-the Americans are far more sophisticated than the British. Afterall, we only invented minor things such as steam power, railways, flushing toilets, radar, jet engines, anti-biotics, the first computer, etc etc etc etc. The US have given the world far more important things like Elvis, John Wayne films, hot dogs & trailer parks......Yes indeed, the American people have 'class.' Real culture vultures!
LiverpoolScottish. You got it right there - the Americans are far more sophisticated than the British. The Americans did give us Elvis, John Wayne, Grace Kelly and Michael Jordon. What has England given us? Gazza, Amy Winehouse and Eddie the Eagle - and Jordan.
Go and Google "Great British Inventions," the bulk of the infrastructure that idiots like yourself take for granted were invented by the British. SInce WW2, 40% of concepts & inventions have originated from the British Isles-even the Japanese openly acknowledge that. Now you go back to your trailer park unit & practise your banjo. Complete enthnocentric, cretinous, ignornace buffoon!
Liverpool..im sorry to have to weigh in here...but it seems that I keep hearing the term "typical yank". Is this not JUST what you are railing against..the stereo type. While I do agree with you in that the US did not do everything..and BTW why are we debating this here and now, it must be admitted that without the support of the US and, of course, Canada things would have ended differently. Insulting each other solves nothing. This whole argument is a bit infantile. Do you not agree?
YT appears to be infested with ignorant, myopic, arrogant Americans who lack even a basic core knowledge of WW2 IE Just read the content of some of ECA 'contributions.' They regularly trot out the mantra, "We saved your asses!" "If it wasn't for us, you'd all be talking Kraut." Such ridiculous & inaccurate statements cannot be allowed to go unchallenged -ergo I do not consider my clash with ECA to be 'infantile.' I have challenged his stupidity & ignorance & crushed him.
May want to check your facts there. By the time you lot showed up in the west, the turning point had come and gone. Not to mention that the P-51 only 'outclassed' the Spitfire because of its greater range, hardly a surprise considering the Spitfire \was a defensive interceptor and the Mustang was an escort fighter.
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Yes. That is correct. 11 months of fighting in the hell of Bastogne. The hardest fighting was at the end of the war. Easy Company claimed victory, liberated France and freed the Jews.
I see, America single-handedly won the war, nevermind the fact they didn't even want anything to do with it in the first place, got slaughtered in their first engagements with the DAK, and only actively fought in Europe for the last three years of a six-year war. Russia sure didn't do anything, what with its 27 million losses and immense army which kept the majority of the German armour tied up in the east, and Britain sure didn't, nevermind the fact it was the STAGING GROUND for D-Day.
rossmum. Pretty much correct - America did win the war. Britain was a staging group? So what. So was the Philippines a staging ground. The Americans had been fighting since 1937 in the Pacific. Heard of the Japanese-Sino war? This was bigger than anything the British took part in then. They were fighting the Phoney War. I cannot think of any British Unit as famous as Easy Company. The only leader they had was Churchill, who is famous for bombing Dresden.
That doesnt sound like a Daimler-Benz engine to me.......
Timariod 9 months ago
They both have good diving sounds Nuff said!
jamesthered123 10 months ago
THAT IS NOT AN ME 109. Total misrepresentation.
NOTABOOS 10 months ago
If the world had never got jets, and the raf still flew spits, id have joined up the day i was old enough!
SabootheSlag 1 year ago
At last, a awsome quality video & especially the stereo ( I think) recording of those awesome sounding engines that hasn't been spoilt, perverted or adulterated with music of any sort! (except for the bit at the end that doesnt really matter as they have clearly stopped flying!) I plan to view & especially listen to this many many times! Well done whoever recorded this!!! :)
Richard82169 1 year ago
the Spit can lean more in turns and maintain lift, a distinct advantage over the 109.
kiereemon 1 year ago
@kiereemon absolutely right, as you can see from video, the Spit was catching up with ME109, but these aircraft were very evenly matched-a lot depended on the experience and skill of pilots
darkmossie633 1 year ago
wow a Spanish 109 fail
crazymxboy 1 year ago
I get al goose bumpy just watching and listening to them fly by.
mesquiteguy1221 1 year ago
One man had a mullet
woodpeckerboy1234 1 year ago
Definately a Hispano Buchon and if this is a 1112-M1L model it has a RR Merlin 500-45 in it hence the deep 'chin' air intake. Which is how it got the Buchon tag , it's Spanish for 'big throat' .
rukkus99 1 year ago
the sound of these engine will always be sweeter than a jet engine, no comparrison.
plane15 1 year ago 2
I have a question. I am a woman so I am not familiar with aircraft. If someone knows the reason, would you please give me an answer?
"A coffin in the air".....I heard the words for Spitfire by a British friend....
Which one was stronger, Spitfire or Messerschmidt?
AmbreEyes1 1 year ago
@AmbreEyes1 the spitfire could out manover the Messerschmidt the only reason the Messerschmidt was more powerful because it has two 20mm cannons were as the spitfie had 8 browing 303 guns 4 in each wing but the spitfrie was mor agaile than the Messerschmidt if this does not make sence let me no and i will try 2 explane it better
BossRoss999 1 year ago
@BossRoss999-thank you for replaying to me.You mean Spitfire is a completely different type aircraft to attack from Messerschmidt.I have seen Spitfire in England which was displayed in the town centre.Actually it has a very nice looking but I did not know this function.
If I have a question again, please teach me more about aircraft.
AmbreEyes1 1 year ago
when the spitfire went upsdie down the engine on it could have turned off. i cant remember what it is in the engine that makes it do that but i do know that in WWII the messerschitt pilots whould go into backward dives to loose spitfires. most of the time the spitfire crashed
aarongama24 1 year ago
@aarongama24 u mean the fuel injection system mate and yes this did have an adverse effect on the earlier models of Spit until it was rectified.
ThePhantomMajor 1 year ago
@aarongama24 the early marks of Spitfire were at a disadvantage in combat with the 109 E varient of the Messerschmidt because the Daimler-Benz engine was direct injection where-as the Merlin had a carburetter with a float chamber. This was a distinct disadvantage in a negative g manouvre and many German pilots escaped from an attack because they knew the Spitfires weakness. This problem was solved to a large dgree with the developement of a float-less carburetter.
mart77scole 1 year ago
@aarongama24 The Carburetta used to cause this.
northernsoul44 1 year ago
@aarongama24 The spitfire carburetor used to cause this.
northernsoul44 1 year ago
70 years and those fighters still can beat some military planes that I know!
Cavelson 1 year ago
@ RaunchyRocker bas0704 is absolutely correct. This is a Hispano Buchon, the Merlin Messerschmitt. That same aircraft also has been used in the Battle of Britain movie.
Spitfire is faster and better in almost every aspect.
nanchuanwushu1 1 year ago
RIP Mark Hanna.
bearman74 1 year ago
@WingsofGold
Um the Me-262 was not the first jet plane, it was the first jet fighter.
1epic1 1 year ago
Heck no the Spitfire was not better than Mustang(Kiereemon).Perhaps when it first came out in 1941,but later models, especially P-51D model,was by far the best prop plane fighter,cause it was only plane that could somewhat keep up with ME-262 (first jet plane).Anyway,Spitfire was same category as ME109.But the ME109 was slightly faster & had better guns, while Spitfire was more agile(turn quicker)& cheaper to produce (most of it made of wood, cause metal was used for bombers & hurricanes)
WingsofGold4045 1 year ago
The only things better about the P-51 was range and the ability to carry more rockets/bombs. Yo do understand the 262 was approx 100+ mph faster than any prop at the time?
As far as construction you best pic up a book... with small words if needed.
0bronk0 1 year ago
@0bronk0 ... if you read my comment, you woulda saw. the best "prop plane"... yes i know the me 262 was faster than mustang. but still some mustang pilots were lucky to shoot some down. i believe chuck yeager was 1st mustang pilot to shoot one down. but yes, spitfires were mainly made of wood (the frame) because reasons i posted.
WingsofGold4045 1 year ago
@WingsofGold4045
Man... Spitfire were not made of wood. I don't know where you'd get that 'fact'. The first 262 was shot down by a Spitfire MkIX, and I believe it was a Canadian pilot from 401. Someone can correct me there, I'm just on memory for that.
Merlin97 1 year ago
@WingsofGold4045
0bronk0 1 year ago
@WingsofGold4045 You're an idiot.
SchoolofLuke 1 year ago
@WingsofGold4045 ya you need to reread a history book there because the spit fire and ME109 are not in the same category the spiitfire was the plane to have to fight the 109s and 110s. the P51 was a bomber ecsort that what its role was. and it only chould keep up with a ME-262 from a 10k Dive right on to the deck. so please be for you troll read.
MrMeanie234 1 year ago
@MrMeanie234 ... im aware of that, but both planes had "about" the same speed, and about same climb rate... and im pretty sure you wouldnt want to dive for 2 reasons, 1)the 109 could out run the spit, and 2)if you "managed" to get away, you have risk of losing control by going at the speed of sound deppending how long you dive for. im tellin ya, ive heard many people say the 109s had problem turning (especially left, cause the prop rotated to right)
WingsofGold4045 1 year ago
mate if you think the spitfire appeared in 1941 and was made of wood then you really need to study a little harder !!!!
MrMjp1973 1 year ago
@MrMjp1973 Maybe Wings of Gold thought the Spitfire appeared in 1941 to prevent the Pearl Harbour raid, but due to lack of available trees the Japs got there first :-)
critch1901 1 year ago
@WingsofGold4045 , sorry bud, but best check your facts. The 109 was cheaper and faster to produce for the Germans actually. Compare the same year Spit models to the later P51D, and out side of the range the Mustangs got, the Spit was it! Cheers.
Merlin97 1 year ago
@Merlin97 ... spits were not able to carry drop tanks. why do you think brits rarely went offensive? they didnt have many long range fighters... P-51 mustange ,P-47 thunderbolts and P-38 lightnings were some planes that were able to carry drop tanks letting them escort bombers so far into europe (before havin to turn around) then another flight would catch up when bombers would come home
WingsofGold4045 1 year ago
@WingsofGold4045
Are you mental??? Spitfire made of wood?? The spitfire was a nightmare to mass produce originally because of its eliptical wings and all "new fangled" metal structure. I suggest you study your history books a bit more before making an idiot of yourself.
critch1901 1 year ago
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@WingsofGold4045
Good day. Well, nothing could keep up with the 262 Swallow. Spits, Mustangs and the rest - even the fast fast Tempest - needed to dive on them and catch them unawares, or while in the circuit. The 'ribs' in the Hurricanes fuselage were wooden strips, and small portions of the upper wing. But man, you have to drop this wooden Spitfire thing you've got on the go here.
Merlin97 1 year ago
Amazing! But it's not a true "Me". It's a Hispano Ha1112 Buchón. A licensed MEsserschmitt version built in Spain. You can note the difference between the two planes in the nose. There is a large air inake just below the spinner on Ha1112. But...What a hell! This video is awesome!!!!!
Berkut164 2 years ago
Fantastic sound quality!
solbergsindre 2 years ago
That Meshi as got a Merlin in it !
RaunchyRocker 2 years ago 17
@RaunchyRocker tats a spanisch made one.
bas0704 1 year ago
@RaunchyRocker And talk about irony. The prototype ME109 was powered by a Rolls-Royce Kestrel engine, and the last 109s in service utilize the Rolls-Royce Merlin.
Remington1875 1 year ago
@Remington1875 how did they get hold of these engines?
adamski895RS 1 year ago
@adamski895RS The Kestrel or the Merlin?
Remington1875 1 year ago
@RaunchyRocker no it's a Buchon, a Spanish variant of the Daimler-Benz motor.
ThePhantomMajor 1 year ago
@RaunchyRocker
I agree, don't look right and the Dalmer Benz had more of a whistle to it.
sking0369 1 year ago
@RaunchyRocker
Yep, after the war IIWW, the spanish messermichts got shorts of replacements and improved the messermichts with merlins. This plane was called "Buchon", and were the plane which played as actual messemichts in the film "Battle of Britain"
jingitzu 1 year ago
Amazing to think 65 years ago these two machines would have been trying to down the other
Modern fighters just dont have the soul these veterans do
chapmasi 2 years ago 28
To true...
solbergsindre 2 years ago
Excellent video. The sound at 3:12 to 3:20 gives me goosebumps. I will never get enough of these old WWII birds.
Admiral1428 2 years ago 4
great sounds !
perrin6 2 years ago 2
Some people don't like the looks of radial engines. . . but the F4U, 47, Zero, 190 are all very pretty planes. And the Zero in particular is just a gorgeous little plane.
existentialvoid 2 years ago
Bah, that's the Italian G-6 with a merlin engine so it sound like a spit.
I wants meh 109 supercharger whine.
Sethorion99 2 years ago
sorry, but what do you mean by Italian G-6?
fokjock 2 years ago
I might have the model of the G wrong but I'm sure it's an early one (no later than the G-10).
IIRC Germany gave the Italians like 20 G-6's but due to some problems with the demand for the DB605 that the G6 used the Italians had to use some Merlin engines that they managed to get somehow.
After the war quite a few of those Italian 109's with the merlin engines were bought by an American collector. You can tell it's an italian one because the engine nacelle is fugly.
Sethorion99 2 years ago
I think you've made a mistake-around 25 Me 109G-2's were given to Spain, not Italy to familiarise the Spanish with the 109.They put in the Rolls -Royce engines.The aircraft in this video therefore is a Buchon-the Spanish version using the Merlin and can be identified by the Merlin exhaust manifold and the odd looking air intake-thus the name Buchon which in Spanish means "big throat".
Production went on until the late 1950's and many a/c were used as Me 109's in the film, The Battle Of Britain
fokjock 2 years ago 2
Ack, I knew I got something wrong.
But yeah, what you said does ring a bell and sounds correct.
Heh, I was wrong with like half of my stuff but not by much :p
Sethorion99 2 years ago 2
Yes, you were on the right track!-it's just when you said Italy I thought there waqs something I'd missed on the 109!
fokjock 2 years ago
Spitfires are the best but i would say that because im british and i live in southampton (home of the spitfire)
minitrundle 2 years ago
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that was until the Merlin powered P51 arrived, which was superior to the Spit.
MrTonyozzie 2 years ago
The Spitfire was a far far superior fighter to the Mustang P51 series, the Spit was much easier to fly and it out-handled the P51 due to its far better dynamic ability. Just look at the facts and figures for both. The Mustang was good for long-range duties, such as bomber escorts.
kiereemon 2 years ago
having read sigh for a merlin and other spitfire books as my dissertation is on the battle of britain ull be surprised to learn tht the only thing that ever saved the spitfire was the constant upgrades they gave it. these upgrades meant that far fewer man hours were used up and factories only had to re jig a few areas. the spitfire was always behind the germans especially when the fw 190 came out it was a nasty shock to the allies hence y it was called the butcher bird
Griffy1989 2 years ago
Fair comment, although I dont think the Spitfire was ever behind the 109 in terms of capability, the early Spits had carbs to the 109s fuel injection. The Mark IX is my favourite Spit. The later Spits with Griffin engines and modified fuselage and wing layout were a match for the Fw190 in my opinion. I have 'A sigh for a merlin' great book! Thanks for comment.
kiereemon 2 years ago
in all honesty the 109 comes into the same boat as the spit. save on man hours and upgrade an existing fuselage. mark 9 is considered the better and as for the later spits yh they were more than a match for the 190 but thats after major alterations and a shit lump of an engine on roids lol but wen u consider the Mk V when the 190 came out it was well outclassed. np for the comment its nice not to get abused just for putting opinions across :)
Griffy1989 2 years ago
your out of your bloody mind
openedeyedbeast123 2 years ago
@openedeyedbeast123 What you wanted was a Packard built Rolls Royce Merlin in your plane. This transformed the characteristics of one of the american fighter planes I cant remember which. Packard built to far higher tolerances than the Brits. and the engines were superior.
tincoffin 2 years ago
Reginold J Mitchel has maybe seen an angel when he created the spitfire. and by the way the zero is ugly
lotteskatergirl1993 2 years ago
Ther German planes are also pretty,
the P-51 is pretty, the Zero is glamorous,
the 190 is masculine, but the Spirfire is
like a Golden haired angel with a sword of lightening in her hand.
Brough1111 2 years ago 3
the Zero is not pretty, it's drop dead ugly... :P
solbergsindre 2 years ago 2
I think, the one thing I remember being said about the Zero, was that it caught fire VERRRY easily! Not very glamorous being burnt to death after your petrol tank has taken a burst of .50 cal!
ThePhantomMajor 2 years ago
You'll correct and they lost on the eastern front, to a very vengefull opponent who had in many cases had a brother sister
father mother killed by the Nazi's.
Brough1111 2 years ago
80% of the German war machine was concentrated on the Eastern Front ...
ThePhantomMajor 2 years ago
""while you Brits were indeed fighting first, if the US wouldnt have stepped in you would be speaking German right now."
The 'US' was not involved in fighting until1942. If the 'Brits' had lost to the Germans, you'd be speaking German aswell. But a country with the RAF and a navy of 885 battleships wouldn't have been speaking German anytime soon.
Fix the damn broken record, and just enjoy the video
MrMorg19 2 years ago
not tryin to start sumin point less butt tbh we wudnt have lost any way ,with the yanks help made it easyer but they still came to help late.we wud never of give in to the germans,end of..think of it the english government cant control half the english society etc etc
englandman2008 2 years ago
the sight and the sound of them two flying together is AWESOME!
raymondrayban 2 years ago
BTW folks..its also great to be proud of your country. Its also fine to have your opinion..but its amazing that a wonderful video of 2 beautiful aircraft can start such a pissing match. And I do have a question as to performance of the 2. Is it not true that the Bf was originally fuel injected while the Spit was carburated. This causing the Spit to starve for fuel in a neg. G maneuver? Or was that the hurricane?
pilot352 2 years ago
WOW screamo...while you Brits were indeed fighting first, if the US wouldnt have stepped in you would be speaking German right now. Actually..a foulmouthed fool like you would have risen very high indeed in the ranks of the nazi party. Either that or just executed for the idiot you are. Nobody said the Americans did it all. But with out em it would have ended MUCH differently. Do the world a favor..read a book somtime. Preferably history.
pilot352 2 years ago
To EasyCompany, the height of good manners is to allow his flea infested mother a reach-around, and do him with a strap-on!
ThePhantomMajor 2 years ago
Okey sure those planes were death-machines and killed so many people in WW2, but if you look beyond that... Those are the most beautiful planes of that time. I just love the bodies and the sound the engine's making. I never grow bored of it!
slapptorsk 2 years ago
THEM TWO flying together is simply AWESOME i cant think of any piston engine sound that comes close,........................
raymondrayban 2 years ago
Poker. Sorry to disappoint you, but the US was fighting since 1937, while you English were sitting around doing stuff all.
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
A bit of advice easycompanyairbourne - I really wouldn't flaunt your ignorance if I were you I'd try and and hide it. You are obviously the type who can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality but WHAT fantasy could you possibly have got that crap from?Grow up and get back to eating your potato chips.
flossy100 2 years ago
flossy. You have not said anything here, only hurled personal insults. It is what I would expect from an English. I like potato chips, it is true. I suppose you being an English snob just eat posh food like swan.
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
If I have to educate someone they have to be at least half way there but you want me to start from scratch? I haven't got time. An ignorant comment like yours deserves contempt. Have you come from some back water place. Read, learn, understand. Then when you have something worthwhile to say - go for it
flossy100 2 years ago 2
flossy. At least I am educated enough to know that you are not.
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
while i was in college today couple of spits flew by i got goose pimples and a raging hard ** from the sound
Dominykas14 2 years ago
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Wrong. Americans are a peaceloving people. The US was not interested in getting into ant European war. The Germans declared war on the US. The Germans were then quickly defeated by the Americans, especially Major Dick Winters and Easy Company. America never creates war. It creates peace by ending war.
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
Are you just retarded?
fighterpilot079 2 years ago
Sounds like the US did this by them self. Well the bigest war effort came from russia.
ugle99 2 years ago
WOW! great flying! OK, what was the most beautiful plane of all time?
Spit, ME109, or 'Stang?
canine2 2 years ago
What a sound from both the Mk9 and the HA-112. The RR Merlin is the greatest engine of all time!
slipperysam33 2 years ago 2
Hey Easy Company, tell your Mum I said hi. She gave me change from a tenner. It will go towards the ointment I had to buy.
ThePhantomMajor 2 years ago 2
R.I.P Mark.
ThePhantomMajor 2 years ago 3
Hummmm, DB601??? i dont believe...maybe a Hispano-Suiza.
unsere 2 years ago
I tell you the ME 109 is one of the sickest planes ever, very underrated its turn of speed at altitude (not really seen here) was 2nd to none, the Spitfire was awesome, especially its aerodynamic manoeuvrability but for speed it was the ME.
somedaysatan 2 years ago
I think you'll find the Me109 couldnt touch the Spitfire in a steep turn, the Spitfire had much more lift and was more manoeuvrable for sure!
kiereemon 2 years ago 2
does anyone realise that no ones opinions matter? its just fact that matters ww2s bin an gone get over it.
the British empire was at its prime an we actually invented America so Americans please be quiet. (my opinion)
charliebrownface 2 years ago
HAHA...well you are close. It was your mad kind that CAUSED America to be created. That being said..why are we even discussing this. WHO CARES about the whole argument. ECA is entitled to his opinion as is everyone else here. Its amazing to see the name calling and unwillingness to even try to see the other side of the debate. In all actuality BOTH views are partially right. Lets just look at this video for what it is..a great piece of history flying by..FAST! Thanks to the poster!
pilot352 2 years ago
I'll always be a Hawker and Supermarine fan at heart, but boy, could that 'Schmitt -move-!
AFTrash 2 years ago
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All this faffing around doesn't change anything. The United States came in and saved your bacon. You people should be grateful.
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
It was a joint effort, right? It was British code-breaking that saved the American Merchant Marine from being wiped out by German U-boats, etc.
And what if the US hadn't pitched in? Hitler had designs on the US as well. If the 3rd Reich had starved Britain into submission, the UK wouldn't have been the staging ground for the Normandy invasion but rather for the New England invasion. EVerybody stop bickering like teenage bitchgoddesses and have an intelligent discussion, puh-leaze!
SupernalOne 2 years ago 3
THANK YOU! Finally a ray of sunshine in this otherwise dreary debate! I will never understand the whole We are better than you argument. From either side. And why is this even being discussed. This was an AIRSHOW people.
pilot352 2 years ago
oh my god, i fuckn love this sound. for me there exists no greater sound than this. can't get enough of that!
sero82sero 2 years ago 5
the sound of the emrlin and messr engines are orgasmic, this is better than a porn movie XD
Loxleiev 2 years ago 4
spitfire - better turning
me - better climbing
fjg42556 2 years ago
I saw the Spitfire but I really missed the Messerschmitt, and dont come with the Hispano Ha1112 Buchon, the airframe is BF 109 lookalike but the engine, the front-end, I would prefer the Avia S199 with its Jumo211 in flight...The Spitfire is a very good design and construction, the Merlin crowns the plane, just like the Mustang
grazyarnie 2 years ago
The Spitfire V's were pretty much an all around great plane, I think. Agility, power, speed, and durability were all good in it...
GameSkate360 2 years ago
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You mean - God bless America. The US man is the finest in the world. He stands for peace, love and truth. All men are created equal under the great flag of these United States.
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
God the fail there.
Love, thats why America has the worst divorce rate in the entire world.
miltonluvsno1 2 years ago
Spelling FAIL.
Happym3a7 2 years ago
amazing
Sneak693 2 years ago
At first i thought these were rc models but no model would make such an epic noise. I've never heard a 109 fly past, thanks for the spoiler :P
You're english is great btw :)
jaw1024 2 years ago
all people that have an issue whit America solve your problem somewhere else please or you could also solve it with your pathetic army
just come and try to fight us
reviewmaster2nikolas 2 years ago
awesome video of 2 amazing old aircraft man,..pity about the dickheads useing this video as a forum to vent their issues with one another...take it somewhere else.
brauschster 2 years ago
back to what the vidieo is about Ray Hanah is such a legend in new zealand
lamage89 2 years ago
hey ummm you may want to straighten ur facts dude ... the russian people are probably one of hte smartest people on earth americans are actually one of the least.... and are on 10x more drugs then the russians so do some research before u start dissing people from a different country our education system is shitty look at the ratings man just please.
DisturbancePaintball 2 years ago
What the fuck has this got to do with a BF109 and a Spitty. Shut the fuck up about IQ's and enjoy the music!
AlHillATC 2 years ago
..i agree 100% with karachogm...I was one day in my life in US and I didn´t meet more stupid people before in my life...
tuca999 2 years ago
i don´t say americans are stupid, only that the us have a problem with their education system.especially in poor regions of the us. poor people don´t have the same chances than rich ones in the us. and this can´t be the `best´ education system
and i talked to americans, i´ve used to be there for 2 months
but u re talking you are top of the world, and i don´t believe that.
karachogm 3 years ago
Dunkirk was a defeat but by withdrawing, the allies lived to fight another day. We did renage on our assurances to the French Government because we held back some fighter squadrons to fight for Britain as we knew the Battle for France was lost. Realpolitik. The allies did manage to withdraw 330,000 troops across the Channel and I call that a blessed bloody miracle. We needed that manpower for the dark years ahead, the time that most Yanks were still sleeping safely in their beds!
ThePhantomMajor 3 years ago
remindbender 3 years ago
StandTogetherForever Yanks are trigger happy brain washed machines that are pretty partial to the odd friendly fire on British troops.
ricocheung 3 years ago
Excellent footage !
ricocheung 3 years ago
You know if you ask the Yanks they would tell you that they were the only allies during WWII the British, Canadians Australians etc etc were never there.......
ricocheung 3 years ago
Ahem...
I'll try to rise above this excessive nationalistic cock-blocking to say "I LOVE THE SOUND OF THOSE MERLIN ENGINES!" Thanks for sharing this.
pdex2165 3 years ago 3
So does anyone with any sense - beautiful sound. Can't abide by these arrogant fools who think their country, whichever it is, won the war by itself - it was a team effort and it's deeply disrespectful to those who fought to suggest otherwise.
How many flying Spits do you guys have over there at the moment? I know there are still a lot in the UK and we have two currently, both at the same museum, but I've never really been able to work out just how many have made it across to the US.
rossmum 3 years ago
Canada, Australia & NZ were dominions.
God How I dislike Yanks. Americans felt the pinch of war when they had only 6 types of ice cream to choose froom and not 20!
ThePhantomMajor 3 years ago 3
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rossmum/phantom. Typical. Ignorant. Trying to use tricky language. Slimey stuff. Americans know far more than you guys do. I say again. Canada was not in the Empire in WW2. Nor was the United States. Get used to it. Your day has gone.
EasyCompanyAirborne 3 years ago
Hypocrisy at its finest - you calling us ignorant. How old were you before they taught you there were other countries in the world?
Still, I suppose I'll leave you to think your country is lord god king of the world and always has been. After all, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see you're an idiot.
rossmum 3 years ago
rossmum. You are learning. The American education system is the best in the world. Of the top 100 Universities in the world, 82 are in the USA. The English education system centers on England. I have seen English quiz shows. Many of the questions are on English counties. Their knowledge of America is appauling. Someone did not even know what State John McCain is senator of. They also though New York was the capital of the US.
EasyCompanyAirborne 3 years ago
Any idiot can wander around filming hundreds of people answering simple questions and then cutting out all the ones who get them right - we did exactly the same and made it look like Americans don't even know where Iran is and wanted to bomb Australia as a result. You've proven nothing but how gullible you are, congratulations.
rossmum 3 years ago
the american education system failed, even your politicans know that.
karachogm 3 years ago
The American education system is the best in the world. 82 of the top world 100 universities are in the US. Americans have won many more nobel prizes than anyone else, including peace prizes. That shows that Americans are the most peace loving people on the planet. The average IQ world wide is 100. Americans have an average IQ of 112, making them easily the highest in the world. That is why Amerian always wins. More brains, more fitness and more courage.
EasyCompanyAirborne 3 years ago
i know the statistic you talking about, it´s fromm professor richard lynn
first of all 112 was americas result from 97´ in the newer statistic its only 110
and america shares the first place with germany (also 110)
and the statistic doesn´t show how intelligent the majority of the us citizen are, because it shows only the iq of university students and nor the average american :P
if you come with statistic know where you got it from
karachogm 3 years ago
kara. I read this. It may be the same study. You only have to speak to Americans to realize how intelligent they are.
EasyCompanyAirborne 3 years ago
America has no history, everthing you have learned and stolen is from europe. Dream on
Gustava3 2 years ago
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America has a real history. It comes from the battlefields of Yorktown, Bull Run, the Alamo, Saipan, Wounded Knee, inchon, Bataan and Bastogne. The award of the Medal of Honor is testimony to greatness. The great tradition carried on in the Battle of Britain and Midway, and is alive today in the great battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. These United States of America will never be defeated. That's history. If you want more, see Hollywood, another part of American history.
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
You forgot Vietnam!, and what did your country do in the Battle of Britain? nothing, just 3 kills, and before you mention Billy Fiske he did not shoot down any plane's.
musicbruv 2 years ago
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musicbruv. You have no idea. It was Churchill who went begging to the US for help. The American people responded magnificently with the famous Lend-Lease program. Churchill later praised the American pilots in the Battle of Britain, calling the "the Few". Billy Fiske that you mention was probably the most famous pilot in the Battle of Britain, having won the Olympic Gold Medal twice.
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
What an ignorant moron IE TYPICAL YANK. Ignorant, arrogant, narrow minded, ethnocentric, blissfully unaware & disinterested in history. You have an opinion-yet ZERO knowledge to back it up. No wonder Americans are despised so much by so many. Get your head out your US arse & learn some history. Churchill did NOT refer to US pilots as 'The Few.' The handful of US pilots did not play a significant role in the BoB, especially compared to Commonwealth nations & particularly the Poles & Czechs.
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 2 years ago
Liverpool. Churchill admired the American pilots above all others. His own personal pilot was an American. The Americans did a great job, and did not boast and brag about what they did. American citizens are a humble and polite folk. That is why they are respected throughout the world. Go and see the film "the Few" and learn about history. God bless the President of these United States. God bless America!
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
Clearly you are no student of history to post such utter drivel. In view of your obviously poor intellect, and grasp of history, I have no intention of entering any form of debate or discussion with you because you spout nonsense. Yet another American idiot internet troll-how tedious......How predictable!
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 2 years ago
Liverpool. Remember what I said about boasting and bragging....
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
Couldn't give a monkey's what you said about boasting & bragging. The innane content of your deliberately provocative, historically innaccurate and US biaised posts highlights your utter stupidity. Ergo, I place no value whatsoever on anything you have to contribute.
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 2 years ago
Liverpool. My posts present the American side of the story. We all know the English side, which goes "we stood alone". Well, you are being educated. You didn't "stand alone", The Americans were there too.
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
Clearly, your ignorance of historical FACTS leads you to deluding yourself into thinking that the US played a significant role in BoB. It is quite obvious to anybody with the slightest grasp of the facts, that the US played NO part. The handful of US pilots came to Britain purely as mercenaries, as opposed to with the blessing & support of the US government. The only favour the US gave Britain was to SELL high octane aviation fuel to the RAF. How positively 'generous.' lol You are a dreamer!
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 2 years ago
LiverpoolScottish. Remember that Churchill's personal pilot was an American. the United States was recognized then and is now of producing the best pilots in the world. Right from the start with the Wright Brothers, the American pilots have shown the way. Great men like dual gold medalist Billy Fiske came over from America to mentor the English pilots, who were in the main products of posh schools. Did you know that the non English pilots had a far higher success rate than English ones?
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
Total bollocks. Your ignorance is incredible. The vast majority of RAF pilots were NOT public school boys at all. The bulk of British pilots were grammar school boys. Perhaps you should get your head out your arse & research the RAFVR- Volunteer Reserve & Auxiliary Air Force established in the mid 30's. The bulk of the pilots were from STATE grammar schools!! lol Fiske did not mentor anybody, nor did he have any impact-he had ONE confirmed kill. Enthnocentric US ignorance & arrogance as usual!
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 2 years ago 4
LiverpoolScottish.
In 1939, about half of the fighter pilots were non English. The English were typically posh. The parking lot at airfields used to look like a starting point for a 'concours de elegance' with brightly coloured MG's and Austin Healey's looking in far better shape than the Hurricanes. Some pilots actually bought the local service station so as to keep their cars on the road. The true heroes were men like Fiske, Hillary, Johnstone and Cain who were from Scotland, the US, etc.
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
What complete drivel. Have you ever actually read ONE quality book about the Battle Of Britain?! Evidently not.
Pathetic. In view of your obvious ignorance, stupidity & ethnocentric bias I have no intention of entertaining your internet Troll drivel any further. Do not bother to reply because you will receive no reposte. I have no intention of any further discuss with an imbecile such as yourself. I have read your ridiculous comments on other YT posts & I am well aware of your modus operandi.
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 2 years ago 3
Liverpool Scottish. You said this on my talkpage.
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH quote
"I would quite happily punch your lights out if I could get within striking distance, for the odious nature of some of your remarks. In a word, you are a 'CUNT."
Comment from me.
This is pathetic. It is exactly what I would expect from the English. American people have more class.
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
Yes I agree-the Americans are far more sophisticated than the British. Afterall, we only invented minor things such as steam power, railways, flushing toilets, radar, jet engines, anti-biotics, the first computer, etc etc etc etc. The US have given the world far more important things like Elvis, John Wayne films, hot dogs & trailer parks......Yes indeed, the American people have 'class.' Real culture vultures!
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 2 years ago
Well DUH! lol XP
RickDev09 2 years ago
LiverpoolScottish. You got it right there - the Americans are far more sophisticated than the British. The Americans did give us Elvis, John Wayne, Grace Kelly and Michael Jordon. What has England given us? Gazza, Amy Winehouse and Eddie the Eagle - and Jordan.
EasyCompanyAirborne 2 years ago
Go and Google "Great British Inventions," the bulk of the infrastructure that idiots like yourself take for granted were invented by the British. SInce WW2, 40% of concepts & inventions have originated from the British Isles-even the Japanese openly acknowledge that. Now you go back to your trailer park unit & practise your banjo. Complete enthnocentric, cretinous, ignornace buffoon!
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 2 years ago 3
It is a classy thing to call a stranger a cunt, for sure -- low class, that is -- try to take the high road, don't shame America in public...
SupernalOne 2 years ago
Liverpool..im sorry to have to weigh in here...but it seems that I keep hearing the term "typical yank". Is this not JUST what you are railing against..the stereo type. While I do agree with you in that the US did not do everything..and BTW why are we debating this here and now, it must be admitted that without the support of the US and, of course, Canada things would have ended differently. Insulting each other solves nothing. This whole argument is a bit infantile. Do you not agree?
pilot352 2 years ago
YT appears to be infested with ignorant, myopic, arrogant Americans who lack even a basic core knowledge of WW2 IE Just read the content of some of ECA 'contributions.' They regularly trot out the mantra, "We saved your asses!" "If it wasn't for us, you'd all be talking Kraut." Such ridiculous & inaccurate statements cannot be allowed to go unchallenged -ergo I do not consider my clash with ECA to be 'infantile.' I have challenged his stupidity & ignorance & crushed him.
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 2 years ago
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Not bad. Both outclassed by American planes and pilots. The war started when America arrive. It was quickly over too.
EasyCompanyAirborne 3 years ago
May want to check your facts there. By the time you lot showed up in the west, the turning point had come and gone. Not to mention that the P-51 only 'outclassed' the Spitfire because of its greater range, hardly a surprise considering the Spitfire \was a defensive interceptor and the Mustang was an escort fighter.
rossmum 3 years ago
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The American planes were just superior as were the American pilots. That is why the United States won the war in Europe and in the Pacific.
EasyCompanyAirborne 3 years ago
Did Easy Company start fighting on 6 June 1944?! WOW!
11 months from the end of the war in Europe ...
Enough said.
ThePhantomMajor 3 years ago
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Yes. That is correct. 11 months of fighting in the hell of Bastogne. The hardest fighting was at the end of the war. Easy Company claimed victory, liberated France and freed the Jews.
EasyCompanyAirborne 3 years ago
I see, America single-handedly won the war, nevermind the fact they didn't even want anything to do with it in the first place, got slaughtered in their first engagements with the DAK, and only actively fought in Europe for the last three years of a six-year war. Russia sure didn't do anything, what with its 27 million losses and immense army which kept the majority of the German armour tied up in the east, and Britain sure didn't, nevermind the fact it was the STAGING GROUND for D-Day.
Sure.
rossmum 3 years ago
rossmum. Pretty much correct - America did win the war. Britain was a staging group? So what. So was the Philippines a staging ground. The Americans had been fighting since 1937 in the Pacific. Heard of the Japanese-Sino war? This was bigger than anything the British took part in then. They were fighting the Phoney War. I cannot think of any British Unit as famous as Easy Company. The only leader they had was Churchill, who is famous for bombing Dresden.
EasyCompanyAirborne 3 years ago