Gosh, this was such a competitive final. Each of the top four girls missed the same pirouette at some point in their routines, which hurt their execution scores. Beth, Kexin and Yilin were all late on their 1 1/2 spin leading into their dismounts, while Nastia was late on hers going into her gienger. Beyond that, you have to split hairs. All are amazing bar workers. Their routines are difficult in different ways. In the end, they were separated by 1/10th of a point. Sheesh.
@msms68 POSITIVE? OK. I THINK NASTIA'S GIANT FOREHEAD MAKES HER LOOK VERY SMART. IF SHE KEPT HER HAIR IN A PONYTAIL, PUT ON A LAB COAT, AND POSSIBLY SOME POINDEXTER GLASSES, SHE WOULD LOOK LIKE A RUSSIAN SUBATOMIC PARTICLE RESEARCH PHYSICIST OR SOMETHING.
@bikerOGX wow, I bet your mother is so proud of you and your lovely smart ass mouth. Well I'm saying it was a tie and they shouldve both gotten golds. They do this at other meets.
@gymnastagirl141009 Should the IOC retroactively award gold medals to all athletes who tied at an Olympics since '96 then? To complain about a tie-breaker rule that's been in existence for well over a decade, only when a US athlete ends up on the short end of it, just makes Americans seem whiny and self-serving. If you're allowed to alter rules after the fact to benefit Nastia, why not just give bonus execution points for "bitch-faceness" and "big foreheadness" in a routine?
@bikerOGX every single one of your comments on here is rude. They were tied and nastia is technically also a gold medalist. No, he kexins score did not change after the tie breaker. We all understand you have a creepy love for he kexin, but chill, seriously.
@gymnastagirl141009 Technically, after the tie-breaker, Kexin's score would be 16.767, while Nastia's would be 16.734. So why should Nastia technically also be a gold medalist, when technically she didn't score as high as Kexin. And I think that Yang Yilin should have won UB over both Kexin and Liukin, so technically, my creepy love would be for Yilin, much like your creepy lesbo love for Liukin. Technically speaking, of course.
@bikerOGX Nastia Liukin scored the same as He Kexin so the tie breaker was needed. Im saying that Nastia is just as amazing as He Kexin, and people have to stop critizing Nastia and realize how amazing she is!!!!!!
@gymnast42698 Well, let's take a look at this from the perspective of a different sport. The US women scored the same in regulation as Japan in the FIFA World Cup Finals, so a shootout (tie-breaker) was needed. Japan won the shootout. Nobody completely ignores the result of the shootout and say that Japan and the US scored the same and therefore the game was tied. Why do you feel that you can do this in gymnastics?
guys my friend had to get surgery in her eye because she didn't cowbooy in a double frount.thats why they cowboys so thwy don't bang their heads on their nees and will have to get surgery
I know she cowboys it but someone give me a dismount that wouldn't be awkward for her. someone? She has an ankle inury so she can't do any back layouts or sumeersaults. And the double front is extremely difficult to land. Someone please give me a dismout she could do without it being awkaward for her....
@tbawesome30 I don't think they even mentioned Beth's higher difficulty on NBC. As presented by NBC, UB Finals was ALL about Nastia. When Nastia lost, well anyone who beat Nastia must have obviously cheated. Cause Nastia is perfect. Her dismount is perfect. Everything about her is perfect. Even her poop smells like fragrant honeysuckle flowers in a gentle summers breeze.
@bikerOGX And people think we are haters. They is nothing wrong about saying that Nastia has some big form breals and that the NBC commentators are almost incompetent and disrespectful.
@bikerOGX It's not true, they actually mentioned her mistake on the low bar on NBC. So easy to always post negative things about NBC, such an easy way to score. Why do you even watch this clip when you are so negative about Nastia?
@bikerOGX I know it isn't from NBC, but if you watch the NBC footage, they do tell you that the handstand is missed and that it is a big mistake. So that means that you are making stuff up.
@samsonnie Well, if NBC admitted that Nastia made a big mistake, why did they act so shocked when she didn't win? Maybe you should stop taking peoples comments too literally. Next thing you're going to tell me is that you actually smelled Nastia's poop and it was kinda stinky, so that means I'm making more stuff up.
@bikerOGX can you just stop...why would you go to this video if you dont like this bar routine...when you have an all around gold medal from the olympics around your neck you can come back and post all the hate comments you want
@msms68 I'll stop when people stop spreading misinformation. Someone said that Nastia's routine had the highest difficulty. No, Beth Tweddle had the highest difficulty. Someone said that because Nastia stuck her landing, her dismount was better than He Kexin's. No, Nastia's double front half is an abomination to gymnastics. The dismount is actually where she got most of her deductions. Someone said that I'm writing hate comments. No, I'm writing truth comments.
Her dismounts have ALWAYS looked soooo awkward. Maybe it's her long legs cowboyed combined with her flexed feet, but they always look incredibly ugly, especially after her lines and pointed toes during the rest of the routine.
@MrAerial12345 What you are failing to understand is that whatever happened during qualifications doesn't mean crap. Beth Tweddle's A-score during the UB Event Finals was 7.8. Don't take my word for it. Go look it up. So I repeat for the 3rd time: Beth could have gotten a 17.8.
@bikerOGX She could've gotten the 17.8. she was pulling bigger moves, but getting bigger deductions. To me, her routine has so much going on. Her execution in my opinion was not that great.
@bikerOGX that was her inteded difficulty remember that though. It had a few small mistake like the dismount. she forgot the pirouette in the qualifiers but she did it in the finals. The judges took points off of it though because it was a tad late. Since Nastia performed it "perfectly" she got the higher difficulty score because beth had some bad execution on her moves.
@brycehelmer Nope. Beth had higher difficulty than Nastia. 7.8 is higher than 7.7. What is there to argue about? What you are failing to understand is the difference between difficulty (A-score) and execution (B-score).
@bikerOGX Ok im sorry. im not used to the new scoring system. i honestly dont get it. i liked the old one because it was so much easier to understand and now they have 2 different scores. I know beth had a higher difficulty, but if you put another gymnast there, there is a likely chance they can get a 7.8 difficulty, but because of all the moves, execution would go down.
@MrAerial12345 I don't like that scoring system. Open door for bad execution, massive difficulty, poor form, more injury. It's a catastrophe. Even Bruno Grandi admitted he was wrong. SO many injuries, scary falls, very very poor form, sometimes just bad technique. A shame.
I prefer Patterson, she was an AA, she deserved it even if she was not the most artistic. But she deserved it.
@Missnewyork28 syaing nastia execution is perfect. but you cant say she isnt artistic. so if the CoP favored her shawn would have taken the AA gold, a gymnast who is the oppitamy of power and lack of artistry
@mikeypoo0100 First, learn how to spell epitome. The CoP favored Nastia because it favored bar workers. That's what this code was about. Notice how 3 out of the top 4 gymnasts in the AA had SVs above or at 7.4 on UB? Yes, this was overscored. Yang Yilin is the rightful winner.
@Missnewyork28 Yeah, it really was... But this one isn't much better with He Kexin reaching 7.6. Wieber's best event is obviously vault, but then I'd say it's floor, and yet floor is her lowest SV. It's crazy...
@MrAerial12345 Like the other gymnasts that work as hard as her and did not get any medals because of Nastia's constant overscoring in Beijing and poor job from the judges.
@Missnewyork28 Nastia Liukin works just as hard as all the other competitors, and if you try to contradict me,i recommend using proof. gymnastics is a challenging sport and Nastia is one of the best in her era. I am not saying she is the best, but her myriad of international medals are hard to argue. She,like most others, has earnt her place. You can be sorry pile or you can just accept that Nastia must have earned one of her many medals or even *gasp* most of them.
@gemclumsyninja I know.. I'm just saying, she was way overscored, the judges were really lenient with her and she got medal she did not deserve. That happenes and that happened in the past as well. That's a judging issue. Plus, the CoP helped her a lot, she is not an AA? she is a bar specialist with a honorable floor and a good beam.
@Missnewyork28 because you know the CoP back to front and know the standards for judging? how are you qualified enough to say what was over scored and what was not? are you an olympic judge? no your not you have no idea what the judges took off for what what they didnt, or even should have or shouldnt have for that matter. and also the CoP does not favor nastia. everyone has been bitching about how the CoP suck bc it favors power and difficulty as opposed to execution nd artistry. now im not..
@mikeypoo0100 Is it your only argument ? My hypothetic non-knowledge of gymnastics and the Cop ? This is lame. Prove me that she was not overscored and they we'll start a REAL debate about her gymnastics andnot about personal attacks.
All this talk about mens gymnastics has me thinking that Liukin would make an excellent event specialist on the pommel horse. After all, what goes better with a horse than Nastia's cowboying?
You don't follow gymnastics, do you? Female gymnastics is just glorified dancing and prancing. The floor is a classic example of this. Male gymnastics actually requires sporting qualities such as strength, explosiveness, coordination.
Female gymnastics is a joke and should be confined to dancing/circus type events such as the Eurovision song contest. Nastia Liukin and the 12 year old Chinese girls can go prance around during the intermission. LOL.
@FlyingPig1902 I feel the exact opposite. It is female gymnastics that exemplifies the sporting qualities such as strength, explosiveness and coordination. Male gymnastics is just something for dudes too short or small for other sports. For example, I'm 6' 5" and I'll dunk in U.S. National Champion Jonathan Horton's face all day long. What's he gonna do about it? Nothin', that's what. LOL.
Wow, so those qualities aren't required to perform pommel horse, rings or parallel bars? Come on man. Nobody can match a male gymnast in terms of the 'strength to weight' ratio. Female gymnastics is all about artistic presentation and balance, strength is only a small part of it. Ultimately this artistic crap doesn't require any serious athletic prowess. They are basically cheer leading ballerinas. Nastia Liukin's arms would break in half if she attempted the rings.
@FlyingPig1902 C'mon dude. Horton's barely 5 feet tall. Even dudes from the least manly sport of figure skating, like Evan Lysacek or Johnny Weir could kick his ass...or at least out slap him in a slap fight.
@FlyingPig1902 OMG, what a sexist stupid brainless speech. WAG is a sport, one of the hardest. GIrls, like boys, train for HOURS during YEARS to achieve this levels. They have the same preparation. A girl is as capable as a man to do a double double, a full in, a DLO, even full twisting DLO, giants, endo, ono-healy combination, german giant. The difference is that women use balance and concentration. Not everything in the muscle. When you throw a full twisting layout on beam, it requires...
@FlyingPig1902 ...both strengh, concentration and balance. I would love to see a male doing this for years, not only once for joking. Those girls dance because it's more beautiful this way, they are not powerhouse, they have the capacity to be elegant (Nemov was the only one to be trully elegant and beautiful to watch), they also performed leaps who are much harder than they seem. They almost performed the same release skills on UB than men on HB and it's much harder to get power on a wood bar..
@FlyingPig1902 ...than on a metal bar. Coordination ? Try to make combinations of skills on 4" of woods, that's coordination Concentration, strength, flexibility, and PRECISION are required. I admit, SR are hard, and so is the PH but WAG is a hard sport like MAG. It's just adapted to women body that has less strenght that male. And those girls deserved as much respect as males. I can't believe we can still read those bullshits in 2011.
@EnemysGateIsDown Liukin should have been happy at that moment, not sad. Before the Olympics, none of Liukin's domestic and international scores on UB have never equaled those of Kexin.
@EnemysGateIsDown Well, technically it wasn't the same score. After the tie-breaker, Liukin had a slightly lower score which wasn't reflected on the scoreboard due to lack of decimal places. If you want to talk "disheartening," how about Yang Yilin, who performed well enough for gold, yet got a bronze.
I actually find these cultural differences fascinating. In America, we say that Nastia "cowboys" her dismount, while in other countries like China, they say she looks like a frog. Personally, I think it looks more like she's squatting on a toilet trying to take a dump while constipated, but that's just me. Pause the video during her dismount and you'll see what I mean. :)
1:04 WTF is that guy doing there? I mean, he just kinda walks up to her, stares at her and then runs off. ....Was he even allowed to be down there? XD It sure didn't look like it.
@catarinamer "that guy" is Nastia's father and coach. He stood underneath the bars so he could catch her if she fell on the release. A lot of coaches do that.
Pointing to Nastia's 2008 Olympic UB Final dismount as proof of why she should have won is like pointing to video of the 1986 Challenger space shuttle blowing up as proof of why space travel is safe.
@zhangshinyi As long as Yang Yilin comes in first. Liukin vs He was so close, it could have gone either way, so either result would have been justified and understandable.
@bikerOGX lol yeah i mean liukin and he both had slightly late pirouettes and other smaller issues, but liukin's dismount (despite the cowboying) is what does it for me. perhaps this has to do with my admiration for the high standards of the 1992 ub ef (and actually those olympics in general) where not sticking meant no medal whatsoever.
@zhangshinyi Liukin's dismount is what does it for a lot of people, though not in the same way it does for you. Nastia's horrendous form on her dismount is a major deduction, while Kexin's step on landing isn't. But a lot of people unfamiliar with the Code of Points just look at Nastia's dismount with the stuck landing and think it's awesome, when it's actually the point where she loses the gold. If Nastia were somehow able to trade dismounts with He Kexin, Nastia would have won.
@bikerOGX of course i mentioned the cowboying, but he stepped forward and to the side. since you're an expert with the CoP, i'll be happy to accept evidence you have that (1) deductions for cowboying are heavier than deductions for a step foward and to the side; and (2) that judges generally have a practice of penalizing gymnasts according to this rule.
@zhangshinyi That's really nice of you. In return, I'll be happy to accept evidence you have that (1) deductions for a step forward and to the side are heavier than deductions for cowboying and (2) that judges generally have a practice of penalizing gymnasts according to this rule.
@zhangshinyi Complete your sentence. It seems that most people don't believe He Kexin should've won over Yang Yilin. He Kexin thought Yang Yilin should've won when she lifted her up in victory. Nastia Liukin thought Yang Yilin should've won when she gave that "Oh shit" look after Yilin nails her double layout.
I think Nastia deserved gold :( AND I'M CHINESE. SO IM NOT BEING BIASED. If anything, I should be biased towards the chinese :p honestly, I think it should be: nastia = gold
@dancingbaber I think Nastia deserved bronze :) AND I'M AMERICAN. SO IM NOT BEING BIASED. If anything, I should be biased toward the americans :p honestly, I think it should be:
No five tenth deductions that He Kexin and Liukin had (and probably not even a three-tenth deduction anywhere), she had the best Pak salto of the three, and she stuck her double layout! Even if you judged her routine harshly (if you took a three-tenth deduction on her last pirouette, for example), there’s still no way she should have received as many deductions as the other two. In my opinion, Yang Yilin should have won this final. Nastia was lucky to get a silver.
Yang Yilin had the exact same A-score as Liukin and He Kexin (7.7), and there is simply no way you can convince me that she had the most deductions of the three. In fact, I felt she should have won by a few tenths. Yang’s deductions were only minor ones – a couple of her casts were slightly short, a couple of pirouettes slightly short, a slight hand adjustment on her elgrip endo, and that was about it!
her bars are so easy to watch. other gymnasts have labored kips and dead hangs and just look like they are dragiging through. she really flows amazingly. and no one else in the worl ever has or ever will do bars like she does. so what she has a few legs seperations.. alll of you are jealous your not an olympic champion
@jerseyguy41ife You're telling that people who knows about gymnastics are idiots ? It is a fact, overall the chinese are the best on bars. They might have kips but at least their legs are glued, their skills are well executed and their pirouettes are amazing. Not the case with Nastia.
@msms68 THAT'S TRUE, BUT THEY DECIDED TO FOLLOW THE RULES INSTEAD AND GAVE HER A SILVER. I WOULD HAVE GIVEN EVERYONE A GOLD JUST FOR PARTICIPATION. THE OLYMPICS WOULD BE SO AWESOME IF EVERYONE BROUGHT HOME A GOLD AND ALL NATIONAL ANTHEMS WERE PLAYED AFTER EVERY EVENT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE OLYMPICS, IT'S JUST TOO COMPETITIVE. SO WHAT IF A GYMNAST DIDN'T DO HER BEST THAT DAY. IT'S THE EFFORT THAT COUNTS, RIGHT? IN MY BOOK, IF YOU MADE IT TO THE OLYMPICS, YOU'RE ALREADY A WINNER!
True winner of Uneven Bars Final Beijing 2008: Yang Yilin *Same start value as Kexin and Nastia. *No step on dismount like Kexin. *No hideous cowboy/frog dismount form like Nastia.
To fix this travesty of judging,
Step 1) Kexin gives gold medal to Yilin next time they see each other at practice.
@Aliceefelldown I didn't say I was an Olympics judge either. Why did you put words in my mouth? Fact is, I'm better than an Olympics judge. I've had the advantage of looking at competition videos from every possible angle for 3 years to make my determination. The Olympic judges didn't. It would be like a football game where they show an instant replay challenging the ref's call. Just because you're not an NFL referee doesn't mean your opinion on the replay is invalid. VIDEO DOESN'T LIE.
@bikerOGX I kind of agree with your point, but YYL gets deducted for every single kip she does because they're horribly laboured and muscled. She doesn't have a good sense of swing, and while her transitions are slightly better than HK with less dead hang, she gets hit there, too, because she doesn't flow as well as NL.
@QueenieQue Yes, a lot of the smaller Chinese gymnasts have trouble with kips, especially the one following the low to high bar transition because the distance between bars is relatively far for them, but Yilin is one of the taller gymnasts. To say her kips in the Olympic UB Final are "horribly laboured and muscled" is, at best, stereotyping all Chinese gymnasts as having bad kips, and at worst, insanity. If anything, it's Nastia who should have gotten deducted for every single giant she does.
@bikerOGX Actually, if I revised any of my statement, I would argue that YYL has the best transitions of the Chinese team. Her EF low-to-high transition was actually pretty good. I don't back down at all on my statement about her kips. She puts the bar straight at her knees and then muscles up to handstand rather than flow from her toes up. They really are that bad. I still love her gymnastics, but let's call a spade a spade.
@QueenieQue I would say you're calling a spoon a spade. Calling Yang Yilin's kips "horribly laboured and muscled" is an exaggeration on the scale of describing Nastia leg separations on her giants as "spread wider than a pornstar."
@bikerOGX Fair enough. I'm sure I'm being overly sensitive, but problems with flow (kips, transitions, swing) tend to be my biggest pet peeve on bars. I know it's subjective, but to me, I'd rather watch a routine with a few form errors that seems easy and flowing than a routine that (IN MY OPINION) seems laboured and difficult, even if it has perfect form. I'm happy to disagree. I do love YYL's gymnastics, and let's face it, we're splitting hairs here over two fabulous athletes.
@bikerOGX Okay, I've done gymnastics since I was 2, okay? This stuff is super freakin hard. She played by the judges rules. THAT'S what people like you dont get. You can stick it absolutely PERFECTLY, but if you did something like hung for more that 1-2 seconds, DEDUCTION. She did what she had to do PERIOD.
@Aliceefelldown I agree. If you hang for 1-2 seconds on bars, you should get a deduction. Now please point out for me where in YYL's 2008 UB Final routine that ever happened. Can't? Oh well. Still you make a very good point. Nastia also stuck her dismount absolutely PERFECTLY, but if you look like you were riding a horse moments before your stuck landing, DEDUCTION. She did what she had to do to get enough rotation to land her double front 1/2, no matter how fugly it looked, PERIOD.
@Jonnzoe Not everyone. For example, Yang Yilin doesn't. Post back surgery, she switched to a double front dismount on UB sometime in 2010. Go find a video and look at the difference. Then come back here and enjoy the rodeo that begins at 2:26 in slo-mo. YEEEEEHAAA COWGIRL!
@Jonnzoe montage: /watch?v=U6wbRNBo5ys There you have the best and the worst. Liukin is among the worst along with Strazheva, the worst ever and some others. But there are some really beautifully executed double fronts dismount and on FX. You can see LiliPod on the video cowboying a lot, good example because she improved it a lot, and didn't cowboy her double front with the extra half twist she performed in Atlanta. So you can fix it. Let me look for some others.
@Jonnzoe /watch?v=RGiT3zPOYFQ - /watch?v=IArsYcb9e_Y (nastia's dismount but better) - /watch?v=PsZiJiz9nRI&feature=related ) ) /watch?v=wqm5bxeIYDE - and some others, I'm not gonna look all the videos on youtube to find more
@boytoyville Are you unaware of Nastia Liukin's bent arms on her Pak? Are you unaware of Nastia Liukin's late pirohuettes? Are you unaware of Nastia Liukin's open legs on every single Giant? Are you unaware of Nastia Liukin's bent legs before both releases? Are you unaware of Nastia Liukin's low Tkatchev? Did I mention her frog/cowboy/takingadump dismount?
No gymnast is perfect. However, between Nastia Liukin, He Kexin, and Yang Yilin, It's Yilin who has the closest to perfect form.
@KrazyWarriorKat Even if yang yilin and beth tweddle had a tie, yang yilin would have won because she had better execution than beth. Beth had a higher difficulty, but she had bad execution because she had so much going on.
Don't try to compare nastia's dismont with he's. There's only a few gymnasts performing a dismount as bad as Nastia. Cowboyng, flex feet (come on it's not hard to point toes); low landing most of the time. It's horrible. He had a step, ok, but her dismount is beautiful. And she had less deduction with a feet than with all Nastia's form breaks. Plus, okay He cast to HS are not great, but Nastia has bent knees and leg seperations everywhere, is flat. At least He is CLEAN
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smeetfan1234 6 days ago
all i hear in the background is " come on!!" irritating
daffodilZephyr 6 days ago
The most UNCLEAN IMPERFECT and UNDESERVING of a SILVER MEDAL! ROUTINE!
walktheroadtosuccess 1 week ago
Gosh, this was such a competitive final. Each of the top four girls missed the same pirouette at some point in their routines, which hurt their execution scores. Beth, Kexin and Yilin were all late on their 1 1/2 spin leading into their dismounts, while Nastia was late on hers going into her gienger. Beyond that, you have to split hairs. All are amazing bar workers. Their routines are difficult in different ways. In the end, they were separated by 1/10th of a point. Sheesh.
intldawn 1 month ago
@bikerOGX hahahaha i can see it
msms68 1 month ago
i met her she came to ma skool
shikamarounara 2 months ago
CAN EVERYONE PLEASE SAY POSITIVE THINGS ABOUT NASTIA I THINK SHE IS AMAZING!
msms68 2 months ago
@msms68 POSITIVE? OK. I THINK NASTIA'S GIANT FOREHEAD MAKES HER LOOK VERY SMART. IF SHE KEPT HER HAIR IN A PONYTAIL, PUT ON A LAB COAT, AND POSSIBLY SOME POINDEXTER GLASSES, SHE WOULD LOOK LIKE A RUSSIAN SUBATOMIC PARTICLE RESEARCH PHYSICIST OR SOMETHING.
bikerOGX 1 month ago 2
amazing routine... and she stuck that landing too!
cheertumblerx109 2 months ago
i absolutely hate that dismount, such an ugly move.
alexrockchick1 3 months ago 2
ugh she should have won!
jerseyguy41ife 4 months ago
beth tweddle's routine was better!!
mlighthart 4 months ago
this routine looks like the one she did in stick it
CHELSey636 4 months ago
@CHELSey636 actually it is very close.... it was her actual routine but she modified it over the years
hoopsnyoyo15 3 months ago
I can't imagine how much pressure she must've been under
musikelxx 4 months ago
love her figure, lover her lines, love her handstands and especially the dismount. missing her on the bars :)
AuroraHalliwell 5 months ago
waw..
zouzounakiiilol 5 months ago
@bikerOGX wow, I bet your mother is so proud of you and your lovely smart ass mouth. Well I'm saying it was a tie and they shouldve both gotten golds. They do this at other meets.
gymnastagirl141009 5 months ago
@gymnastagirl141009 Should the IOC retroactively award gold medals to all athletes who tied at an Olympics since '96 then? To complain about a tie-breaker rule that's been in existence for well over a decade, only when a US athlete ends up on the short end of it, just makes Americans seem whiny and self-serving. If you're allowed to alter rules after the fact to benefit Nastia, why not just give bonus execution points for "bitch-faceness" and "big foreheadness" in a routine?
bikerOGX 5 months ago
@bikerOGX every single one of your comments on here is rude. They were tied and nastia is technically also a gold medalist. No, he kexins score did not change after the tie breaker. We all understand you have a creepy love for he kexin, but chill, seriously.
gymnastagirl141009 5 months ago
@gymnastagirl141009 Technically, after the tie-breaker, Kexin's score would be 16.767, while Nastia's would be 16.734. So why should Nastia technically also be a gold medalist, when technically she didn't score as high as Kexin. And I think that Yang Yilin should have won UB over both Kexin and Liukin, so technically, my creepy love would be for Yilin, much like your creepy lesbo love for Liukin. Technically speaking, of course.
bikerOGX 5 months ago
that dismount was amazing....!!!!!!
shelly7rox 5 months ago
@shelly7rox amazingly cowboyed....!!!!!!
bikerOGX 5 months ago
@bikerOGX Nastia Liukin scored the same as He Kexin so the tie breaker was needed. Im saying that Nastia is just as amazing as He Kexin, and people have to stop critizing Nastia and realize how amazing she is!!!!!!
gymnast42698 5 months ago
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@gymnast42698 Well, let's take a look at this from the perspective of a different sport. The US women scored the same in regulation as Japan in the FIFA World Cup Finals, so a shootout (tie-breaker) was needed. Japan won the shootout. Nobody completely ignores the result of the shootout and say that Japan and the US scored the same and therefore the game was tied. Why do you feel that you can do this in gymnastics?
bikerOGX 5 months ago
Nastia is amazing and thats why she scored the same as He Kexin, who won gold. So everyone has to shut up and accept it!!!!!!
gymnast42698 5 months ago
@gymnast42698 Actually, after the tie-breaker, she scored less than He Kexin. So you have to shut up and accept it!!!!!!
bikerOGX 5 months ago
guys my friend had to get surgery in her eye because she didn't cowbooy in a double frount.thats why they cowboys so thwy don't bang their heads on their nees and will have to get surgery
gymnastics12344life 5 months ago
@gymnastics12344life Was your friend training for the Special Olympics?
bikerOGX 5 months ago
@elena5172 It would have been more AWESOME if she landed on a horse and rode away...
bikerOGX 6 months ago
I know she cowboys it but someone give me a dismount that wouldn't be awkward for her. someone? She has an ankle inury so she can't do any back layouts or sumeersaults. And the double front is extremely difficult to land. Someone please give me a dismout she could do without it being awkaward for her....
camjay8 6 months ago
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camjay8 6 months ago
That dude wasn't ready if she fell
thelittlegirlsmalls 6 months ago
not in english...
therealezgirl 6 months ago
LOVE YOU NASTIA I THOUGHT YOU DID GREAT
msms68 6 months ago
Idefinetly don't think it's a gold winning routine but it's absolutely a silver winning routine i think she was put inthe right place for bars
MakLukens 6 months ago
I love to watch Nastia Luikin on the uneven bars.She has such great lines
gymnast6495 6 months ago
I really wish she would connect that Tkachev - Pac at 1:10. That has always bothered me!
PhenixJoe 6 months ago
@PhenixJoe
I agree!
keemz801 6 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I think she is better than the China's one.
chanhuenyan 6 months ago
@tbawesome30 I don't think they even mentioned Beth's higher difficulty on NBC. As presented by NBC, UB Finals was ALL about Nastia. When Nastia lost, well anyone who beat Nastia must have obviously cheated. Cause Nastia is perfect. Her dismount is perfect. Everything about her is perfect. Even her poop smells like fragrant honeysuckle flowers in a gentle summers breeze.
bikerOGX 7 months ago 16
@bikerOGX And people think we are haters. They is nothing wrong about saying that Nastia has some big form breals and that the NBC commentators are almost incompetent and disrespectful.
Missnewyork28 7 months ago 4
@bikerOGX It's not true, they actually mentioned her mistake on the low bar on NBC. So easy to always post negative things about NBC, such an easy way to score. Why do you even watch this clip when you are so negative about Nastia?
samsonnie 2 months ago
@samsonnie This clip isn't from NBC. Duh. And yes, Nastia missed a handstand on the low bar.
bikerOGX 2 months ago
@bikerOGX I know it isn't from NBC, but if you watch the NBC footage, they do tell you that the handstand is missed and that it is a big mistake. So that means that you are making stuff up.
samsonnie 2 months ago
@samsonnie Well, if NBC admitted that Nastia made a big mistake, why did they act so shocked when she didn't win? Maybe you should stop taking peoples comments too literally. Next thing you're going to tell me is that you actually smelled Nastia's poop and it was kinda stinky, so that means I'm making more stuff up.
bikerOGX 2 months ago
@bikerOGX can you just stop...why would you go to this video if you dont like this bar routine...when you have an all around gold medal from the olympics around your neck you can come back and post all the hate comments you want
msms68 7 months ago
@msms68 I'll stop when people stop spreading misinformation. Someone said that Nastia's routine had the highest difficulty. No, Beth Tweddle had the highest difficulty. Someone said that because Nastia stuck her landing, her dismount was better than He Kexin's. No, Nastia's double front half is an abomination to gymnastics. The dismount is actually where she got most of her deductions. Someone said that I'm writing hate comments. No, I'm writing truth comments.
bikerOGX 7 months ago 5
@tbawesome30 And what happened in qualifications 3 years ago is relevant in what way? Nastia fell in qualifications. So what?
bikerOGX 7 months ago
Her dismounts have ALWAYS looked soooo awkward. Maybe it's her long legs cowboyed combined with her flexed feet, but they always look incredibly ugly, especially after her lines and pointed toes during the rest of the routine.
MissLilRedRooster 7 months ago 32
@MrAerial12345 What you are failing to understand is that whatever happened during qualifications doesn't mean crap. Beth Tweddle's A-score during the UB Event Finals was 7.8. Don't take my word for it. Go look it up. So I repeat for the 3rd time: Beth could have gotten a 17.8.
bikerOGX 7 months ago
@bikerOGX She could've gotten the 17.8. she was pulling bigger moves, but getting bigger deductions. To me, her routine has so much going on. Her execution in my opinion was not that great.
brycehelmer 7 months ago
@brycehelmer Exactly. She could've gotten 17.8 because her A-score was 7.8. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying she should've gotten 17.8.
bikerOGX 7 months ago
@bikerOGX that was her inteded difficulty remember that though. It had a few small mistake like the dismount. she forgot the pirouette in the qualifiers but she did it in the finals. The judges took points off of it though because it was a tad late. Since Nastia performed it "perfectly" she got the higher difficulty score because beth had some bad execution on her moves.
brycehelmer 7 months ago
@brycehelmer Nope. Beth had higher difficulty than Nastia. 7.8 is higher than 7.7. What is there to argue about? What you are failing to understand is the difference between difficulty (A-score) and execution (B-score).
bikerOGX 7 months ago
@bikerOGX Ok im sorry. im not used to the new scoring system. i honestly dont get it. i liked the old one because it was so much easier to understand and now they have 2 different scores. I know beth had a higher difficulty, but if you put another gymnast there, there is a likely chance they can get a 7.8 difficulty, but because of all the moves, execution would go down.
brycehelmer 7 months ago
@MrAerial12345 What does qualifiers have to do with anything? This video is of the UB Finals. So I repeat: Beth could have gotten a 17.8.
bikerOGX 7 months ago
Anyone know what "cowboying' means?
Aditee8 7 months ago
@MrAerial12345 I don't like that scoring system. Open door for bad execution, massive difficulty, poor form, more injury. It's a catastrophe. Even Bruno Grandi admitted he was wrong. SO many injuries, scary falls, very very poor form, sometimes just bad technique. A shame.
I prefer Patterson, she was an AA, she deserved it even if she was not the most artistic. But she deserved it.
Missnewyork28 7 months ago
@Missnewyork28 syaing nastia execution is perfect. but you cant say she isnt artistic. so if the CoP favored her shawn would have taken the AA gold, a gymnast who is the oppitamy of power and lack of artistry
mikeypoo0100 5 months ago
@mikeypoo0100 First, learn how to spell epitome. The CoP favored Nastia because it favored bar workers. That's what this code was about. Notice how 3 out of the top 4 gymnasts in the AA had SVs above or at 7.4 on UB? Yes, this was overscored. Yang Yilin is the rightful winner.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 5 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 That CoP was crap.....
Missnewyork28 5 months ago
@Missnewyork28 Yeah, it really was... But this one isn't much better with He Kexin reaching 7.6. Wieber's best event is obviously vault, but then I'd say it's floor, and yet floor is her lowest SV. It's crazy...
ShawnVikaKomova2012 5 months ago
@mariaichiban Nastia is 5' 3" (160 cm), but if you include her poofy hair, she's 6' 4" (193 cm).
bikerOGX 7 months ago
@MrAerial12345 Beth Tweddle's UB routine had a 7.8 difficulty level, so Beth could have gotten a 17.8.
bikerOGX 7 months ago
I think Semenova desevered the silver.
MrsShazziePepper1996 7 months ago
que pedo con el wey que sale en el 1:02 me asusto ...le hubiera dado una patada se hubiera visto chido hahahah
danielreyesd 7 months ago
@MrAerial12345 Like the other gymnasts that work as hard as her and did not get any medals because of Nastia's constant overscoring in Beijing and poor job from the judges.
Missnewyork28 7 months ago
@Missnewyork28 Nastia Liukin works just as hard as all the other competitors, and if you try to contradict me,i recommend using proof. gymnastics is a challenging sport and Nastia is one of the best in her era. I am not saying she is the best, but her myriad of international medals are hard to argue. She,like most others, has earnt her place. You can be sorry pile or you can just accept that Nastia must have earned one of her many medals or even *gasp* most of them.
gemclumsyninja 7 months ago
@gemclumsyninja I know.. I'm just saying, she was way overscored, the judges were really lenient with her and she got medal she did not deserve. That happenes and that happened in the past as well. That's a judging issue. Plus, the CoP helped her a lot, she is not an AA? she is a bar specialist with a honorable floor and a good beam.
Missnewyork28 7 months ago
@Missnewyork28 So she was an all-arounder.
MarchingBalletDancer 7 months ago
@Missnewyork28 because you know the CoP back to front and know the standards for judging? how are you qualified enough to say what was over scored and what was not? are you an olympic judge? no your not you have no idea what the judges took off for what what they didnt, or even should have or shouldnt have for that matter. and also the CoP does not favor nastia. everyone has been bitching about how the CoP suck bc it favors power and difficulty as opposed to execution nd artistry. now im not..
mikeypoo0100 5 months ago
@mikeypoo0100 Is it your only argument ? My hypothetic non-knowledge of gymnastics and the Cop ? This is lame. Prove me that she was not overscored and they we'll start a REAL debate about her gymnastics andnot about personal attacks.
Missnewyork28 5 months ago
21 people don't know what a tkachev is.
arakawaryan 8 months ago
@arakawaryan 21 know what a Tkatchev and a good bar routine are.
Missnewyork28 8 months ago 3
Stop beating down on her dismount! How many of you can honestly say that you can even ATEMPT that?
martythemonkey9899 8 months ago
@martythemonkey9899 I can honestly say Nastia's froggy dismount was hideous...cuz that's what it looked like, an ATTEMPT at a double front dismount.
bikerOGX 8 months ago 3
what was with that guy randomly walking there at 1:02 ....?
beccaisonnn 8 months ago
@beccaisonnn that was her dad/coach
gymchick3345 8 months ago
@gymchick3345 i realize that now, thanks! :)
beccaisonnn 8 months ago
............barf
nastierlookin 8 months ago
barf
nastierlookin 8 months ago
Did anyone else hear that thump when she stuck her landing? Literally it was like..
Double Front 1/2 dismount... BOOM xD
XxSportyMusicGirlxX 9 months ago
@XxSportyMusicGirlxX I heard the BOOM...which surprised me...cause she's not one of the fatter American gymnasts. How much do you think she weighs?
bikerOGX 9 months ago
@bikerOGX Wikipedia says she weighs 99 pounds which makes sense. I think it's just she put a lot of power on that dismount which caused the BOOM.
XxSportyMusicGirlxX 9 months ago
@XxSportyMusicGirlxX I think the BOOM was caused by her six-shooter going off accidentally during the cowboying.
bikerOGX 9 months ago
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superstarnews2189 9 months ago
@superstarnews2189
that dismount was fugly! i love how her arms are so bent when she does her pac salto
bikerOGX 9 months ago
are the kids in the background screaming "fall!" ? 0:49
abcbetterthan123 9 months ago
@abcbetterthan123 no, the kids in the background are screaming "frog!"
bikerOGX 9 months ago
All this talk about mens gymnastics has me thinking that Liukin would make an excellent event specialist on the pommel horse. After all, what goes better with a horse than Nastia's cowboying?
bikerOGX 9 months ago 29
@bikerOGX what does "cowboying" mean in gymnastics?
Aditee8 7 months ago
@Aditee8 It means Nastia enjoys horse riding as well as gymnastics. Unfortunately, she sometimes forgets which is which.
bikerOGX 7 months ago 2
Sorry guys, but female gymnastics cannot be considered a sport.
FlyingPig1902 9 months ago
@FlyingPig1902 But male gymnastics is? What's the difference? Besides the participants all having penises, that is.
bikerOGX 9 months ago
@bikerOGX
You don't follow gymnastics, do you? Female gymnastics is just glorified dancing and prancing. The floor is a classic example of this. Male gymnastics actually requires sporting qualities such as strength, explosiveness, coordination.
Female gymnastics is a joke and should be confined to dancing/circus type events such as the Eurovision song contest. Nastia Liukin and the 12 year old Chinese girls can go prance around during the intermission. LOL.
FlyingPig1902 9 months ago
@FlyingPig1902 I feel the exact opposite. It is female gymnastics that exemplifies the sporting qualities such as strength, explosiveness and coordination. Male gymnastics is just something for dudes too short or small for other sports. For example, I'm 6' 5" and I'll dunk in U.S. National Champion Jonathan Horton's face all day long. What's he gonna do about it? Nothin', that's what. LOL.
bikerOGX 9 months ago
@bikerOGX
Wow, so those qualities aren't required to perform pommel horse, rings or parallel bars? Come on man. Nobody can match a male gymnast in terms of the 'strength to weight' ratio. Female gymnastics is all about artistic presentation and balance, strength is only a small part of it. Ultimately this artistic crap doesn't require any serious athletic prowess. They are basically cheer leading ballerinas. Nastia Liukin's arms would break in half if she attempted the rings.
FlyingPig1902 9 months ago
@FlyingPig1902 C'mon dude. Horton's barely 5 feet tall. Even dudes from the least manly sport of figure skating, like Evan Lysacek or Johnny Weir could kick his ass...or at least out slap him in a slap fight.
bikerOGX 9 months ago
@FlyingPig1902 OMG, what a sexist stupid brainless speech. WAG is a sport, one of the hardest. GIrls, like boys, train for HOURS during YEARS to achieve this levels. They have the same preparation. A girl is as capable as a man to do a double double, a full in, a DLO, even full twisting DLO, giants, endo, ono-healy combination, german giant. The difference is that women use balance and concentration. Not everything in the muscle. When you throw a full twisting layout on beam, it requires...
Missnewyork28 9 months ago 3
@FlyingPig1902 ...both strengh, concentration and balance. I would love to see a male doing this for years, not only once for joking. Those girls dance because it's more beautiful this way, they are not powerhouse, they have the capacity to be elegant (Nemov was the only one to be trully elegant and beautiful to watch), they also performed leaps who are much harder than they seem. They almost performed the same release skills on UB than men on HB and it's much harder to get power on a wood bar..
Missnewyork28 9 months ago 3
@FlyingPig1902 ...than on a metal bar. Coordination ? Try to make combinations of skills on 4" of woods, that's coordination Concentration, strength, flexibility, and PRECISION are required. I admit, SR are hard, and so is the PH but WAG is a hard sport like MAG. It's just adapted to women body that has less strenght that male. And those girls deserved as much respect as males. I can't believe we can still read those bullshits in 2011.
Missnewyork28 9 months ago 3
I like her first handstand at the beginning. She holds it so long that it's like she's saying, "Wait for it, judges. This will impress you."
Kind of sad at the end though, she gives a smile when she sees she got second, then she looks at her score and realizes it's the same as Kexin's...
EnemysGateIsDown 9 months ago
@EnemysGateIsDown Liukin should have been happy at that moment, not sad. Before the Olympics, none of Liukin's domestic and international scores on UB have never equaled those of Kexin.
bikerOGX 9 months ago
@bikerOGX Oh, I agree. But if you got the same score as the gold medalist, wouldn't it be slightly disheartening to get silver?
EnemysGateIsDown 9 months ago
@EnemysGateIsDown Well, technically it wasn't the same score. After the tie-breaker, Liukin had a slightly lower score which wasn't reflected on the scoreboard due to lack of decimal places. If you want to talk "disheartening," how about Yang Yilin, who performed well enough for gold, yet got a bronze.
bikerOGX 9 months ago
I actually find these cultural differences fascinating. In America, we say that Nastia "cowboys" her dismount, while in other countries like China, they say she looks like a frog. Personally, I think it looks more like she's squatting on a toilet trying to take a dump while constipated, but that's just me. Pause the video during her dismount and you'll see what I mean. :)
bikerOGX 9 months ago
why do people say shes sliver meadalist she a gold meadalist
TheSabrina7884 9 months ago
1:04 WTF is that guy doing there? I mean, he just kinda walks up to her, stares at her and then runs off. ....Was he even allowed to be down there? XD It sure didn't look like it.
catarinamer 9 months ago
@catarinamer "that guy" is Nastia's father and coach. He stood underneath the bars so he could catch her if she fell on the release. A lot of coaches do that.
frozenxxkisses 9 months ago
look at what the human body can do
MarilynMonroe4eva 9 months ago
@MarilynMonroe4eva Yes... It can disguise itself as a frog or rodeo clown.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 9 months ago 2
Pointing to Nastia's 2008 Olympic UB Final dismount as proof of why she should have won is like pointing to video of the 1986 Challenger space shuttle blowing up as proof of why space travel is safe.
bikerOGX 10 months ago 33
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bikerOGX 10 months ago
out of all the comments i've seen on youtube, it seems that most people don't believe he kexin should've won....
zhangshinyi 10 months ago
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bikerOGX 10 months ago
@bikerOGX if by 'complete your sentence' you're asking me how i feel the medal stand should've been, i think yang > liukin > he for this ef.
zhangshinyi 10 months ago
@zhangshinyi As long as Yang Yilin comes in first. Liukin vs He was so close, it could have gone either way, so either result would have been justified and understandable.
bikerOGX 10 months ago
@bikerOGX lol yeah i mean liukin and he both had slightly late pirouettes and other smaller issues, but liukin's dismount (despite the cowboying) is what does it for me. perhaps this has to do with my admiration for the high standards of the 1992 ub ef (and actually those olympics in general) where not sticking meant no medal whatsoever.
zhangshinyi 10 months ago
@zhangshinyi Liukin's dismount is what does it for a lot of people, though not in the same way it does for you. Nastia's horrendous form on her dismount is a major deduction, while Kexin's step on landing isn't. But a lot of people unfamiliar with the Code of Points just look at Nastia's dismount with the stuck landing and think it's awesome, when it's actually the point where she loses the gold. If Nastia were somehow able to trade dismounts with He Kexin, Nastia would have won.
bikerOGX 10 months ago
@bikerOGX Assuming the judges continue to underscore Yang Yilin, of course.
bikerOGX 10 months ago
@bikerOGX of course i mentioned the cowboying, but he stepped forward and to the side. since you're an expert with the CoP, i'll be happy to accept evidence you have that (1) deductions for cowboying are heavier than deductions for a step foward and to the side; and (2) that judges generally have a practice of penalizing gymnasts according to this rule.
zhangshinyi 10 months ago
@zhangshinyi That's really nice of you. In return, I'll be happy to accept evidence you have that (1) deductions for a step forward and to the side are heavier than deductions for cowboying and (2) that judges generally have a practice of penalizing gymnasts according to this rule.
bikerOGX 10 months ago
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@zhangshinyi Complete your sentence. It seems that most people don't believe He Kexin should've won over Yang Yilin. He Kexin thought Yang Yilin should've won when she lifted her up in victory. Nastia Liukin thought Yang Yilin should've won when she gave that "Oh shit" look after Yilin nails her double layout.
bikerOGX 10 months ago
I think Nastia deserved gold :( AND I'M CHINESE. SO IM NOT BEING BIASED. If anything, I should be biased towards the chinese :p honestly, I think it should be: nastia = gold
yyl = silver
he kexin = bronze
dancingbaber 10 months ago
@dancingbaber I think Nastia deserved bronze :) AND I'M AMERICAN. SO IM NOT BEING BIASED. If anything, I should be biased toward the americans :p honestly, I think it should be:
yyl = gold
he kexin= silver
nastia= bronze
bikerOGX 10 months ago
@bikerOGX Touche :) I laughed. Oh well. each to his own then :)
dancingbaber 10 months ago
No five tenth deductions that He Kexin and Liukin had (and probably not even a three-tenth deduction anywhere), she had the best Pak salto of the three, and she stuck her double layout! Even if you judged her routine harshly (if you took a three-tenth deduction on her last pirouette, for example), there’s still no way she should have received as many deductions as the other two. In my opinion, Yang Yilin should have won this final. Nastia was lucky to get a silver.
bikerOGX 10 months ago
Yang Yilin had the exact same A-score as Liukin and He Kexin (7.7), and there is simply no way you can convince me that she had the most deductions of the three. In fact, I felt she should have won by a few tenths. Yang’s deductions were only minor ones – a couple of her casts were slightly short, a couple of pirouettes slightly short, a slight hand adjustment on her elgrip endo, and that was about it!
bikerOGX 10 months ago
i dont think i have ever seen her land this dismount like hse did that day. she sooo deserved gold for this. Best preformance yet!<3
munchkin81750 10 months ago
nastia liukin is the best gymnast i laid eyes on!!! she's cute strong flexible, too!!!!!1
ggeffen 10 months ago
her bars are so easy to watch. other gymnasts have labored kips and dead hangs and just look like they are dragiging through. she really flows amazingly. and no one else in the worl ever has or ever will do bars like she does. so what she has a few legs seperations.. alll of you are jealous your not an olympic champion
gymnastagirl141009 10 months ago
@gymnastagirl141009 She's incredible, I never get tired of watching her routines. A gymnast for the ages.
NYCBlonde 10 months ago
@NYCBlonde yessss:) shes amazing, she changed gymnastics. by being in the top ten on all four evens, with a bad ankle!
gymnastagirl141009 10 months ago
who ever thinks the chinese should of won are idiots!
jerseyguy41ife 10 months ago
@jerseyguy41ife You're telling that people who knows about gymnastics are idiots ? It is a fact, overall the chinese are the best on bars. They might have kips but at least their legs are glued, their skills are well executed and their pirouettes are amazing. Not the case with Nastia.
Missnewyork28 10 months ago
@jerseyguy41ife No one thinks the Chinese SHOULD OF won. That's cuz the Chinese DID win, IDIOT!
bikerOGX 10 months ago
@bikerOGX no one thinks nastia should of won. thats cuz the nastia did win, asshole!
jerseyguy41ife 7 months ago
@jerseyguy41ife No one is arguing with you. Nastia did win. She won a silver medal. Why do you say that no one thinks she should have won?
bikerOGX 7 months ago
wtf is with the screaming girls!!!??? it doesnt ENCOURAGE it puts more PRESSURE onto her
Angel9837 10 months ago
that is how u rotate faster!!
brigymnast247 10 months ago
WAY TO GO NASTIA IF THEY COULD GIVE 2 GOLD MEDALS YOU WOULD GET ONE CAUSE YOU KINDA DID GET 1ST PLACE!!!!!!!
msms68 10 months ago
@msms68 THAT'S TRUE, BUT THEY DECIDED TO FOLLOW THE RULES INSTEAD AND GAVE HER A SILVER. I WOULD HAVE GIVEN EVERYONE A GOLD JUST FOR PARTICIPATION. THE OLYMPICS WOULD BE SO AWESOME IF EVERYONE BROUGHT HOME A GOLD AND ALL NATIONAL ANTHEMS WERE PLAYED AFTER EVERY EVENT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE OLYMPICS, IT'S JUST TOO COMPETITIVE. SO WHAT IF A GYMNAST DIDN'T DO HER BEST THAT DAY. IT'S THE EFFORT THAT COUNTS, RIGHT? IN MY BOOK, IF YOU MADE IT TO THE OLYMPICS, YOU'RE ALREADY A WINNER!
bikerOGX 10 months ago
True winner of Uneven Bars Final Beijing 2008: Yang Yilin *Same start value as Kexin and Nastia. *No step on dismount like Kexin. *No hideous cowboy/frog dismount form like Nastia.
To fix this travesty of judging,
Step 1) Kexin gives gold medal to Yilin next time they see each other at practice.
Step 2) Nastia FedExes silver medal to Kexin.
Step 3) Yilin FedExes bronze medal to Nastia.
bikerOGX 11 months ago 15
@bikerOGX Yeah, because, your an Olympics Judge? Yeah, shut it.
Aliceefelldown 10 months ago
@Aliceefelldown Yeah, because you can make me.
bikerOGX 10 months ago
@bikerOGX I didn't say that I could. Dont' put words in my mouth just because yours is overflowing.
Aliceefelldown 10 months ago
@Aliceefelldown I didn't say I was an Olympics judge either. Why did you put words in my mouth? Fact is, I'm better than an Olympics judge. I've had the advantage of looking at competition videos from every possible angle for 3 years to make my determination. The Olympic judges didn't. It would be like a football game where they show an instant replay challenging the ref's call. Just because you're not an NFL referee doesn't mean your opinion on the replay is invalid. VIDEO DOESN'T LIE.
bikerOGX 10 months ago
@bikerOGX I kind of agree with your point, but YYL gets deducted for every single kip she does because they're horribly laboured and muscled. She doesn't have a good sense of swing, and while her transitions are slightly better than HK with less dead hang, she gets hit there, too, because she doesn't flow as well as NL.
QueenieQue 10 months ago
@QueenieQue Yes, a lot of the smaller Chinese gymnasts have trouble with kips, especially the one following the low to high bar transition because the distance between bars is relatively far for them, but Yilin is one of the taller gymnasts. To say her kips in the Olympic UB Final are "horribly laboured and muscled" is, at best, stereotyping all Chinese gymnasts as having bad kips, and at worst, insanity. If anything, it's Nastia who should have gotten deducted for every single giant she does.
bikerOGX 10 months ago
@bikerOGX Actually, if I revised any of my statement, I would argue that YYL has the best transitions of the Chinese team. Her EF low-to-high transition was actually pretty good. I don't back down at all on my statement about her kips. She puts the bar straight at her knees and then muscles up to handstand rather than flow from her toes up. They really are that bad. I still love her gymnastics, but let's call a spade a spade.
QueenieQue 10 months ago
@QueenieQue I would say you're calling a spoon a spade. Calling Yang Yilin's kips "horribly laboured and muscled" is an exaggeration on the scale of describing Nastia leg separations on her giants as "spread wider than a pornstar."
bikerOGX 10 months ago
@bikerOGX Fair enough. I'm sure I'm being overly sensitive, but problems with flow (kips, transitions, swing) tend to be my biggest pet peeve on bars. I know it's subjective, but to me, I'd rather watch a routine with a few form errors that seems easy and flowing than a routine that (IN MY OPINION) seems laboured and difficult, even if it has perfect form. I'm happy to disagree. I do love YYL's gymnastics, and let's face it, we're splitting hairs here over two fabulous athletes.
QueenieQue 10 months ago
@bikerOGX Okay, I've done gymnastics since I was 2, okay? This stuff is super freakin hard. She played by the judges rules. THAT'S what people like you dont get. You can stick it absolutely PERFECTLY, but if you did something like hung for more that 1-2 seconds, DEDUCTION. She did what she had to do PERIOD.
Aliceefelldown 10 months ago
@Aliceefelldown I agree. If you hang for 1-2 seconds on bars, you should get a deduction. Now please point out for me where in YYL's 2008 UB Final routine that ever happened. Can't? Oh well. Still you make a very good point. Nastia also stuck her dismount absolutely PERFECTLY, but if you look like you were riding a horse moments before your stuck landing, DEDUCTION. She did what she had to do to get enough rotation to land her double front 1/2, no matter how fugly it looked, PERIOD.
bikerOGX 10 months ago
@bikerOGX double fronts are hard on bars lets see u do one with your legs together
Jonnzoe 9 months ago
@Jonnzoe She does it on FX too. What's your excuse for Nastia there? I thought she was an Olympic gymnast.
bikerOGX 9 months ago
@bikerOGX everyone cowboys double fronts anyway that makes it easier to land
Jonnzoe 9 months ago
@Jonnzoe Not everyone. For example, Yang Yilin doesn't. Post back surgery, she switched to a double front dismount on UB sometime in 2010. Go find a video and look at the difference. Then come back here and enjoy the rodeo that begins at 2:26 in slo-mo. YEEEEEHAAA COWGIRL!
bikerOGX 9 months ago 2
@bikerOGX Haha, I just replied to a comment of your's but this one is so funny! Thumbs up!
ShawnVikaKomova2012 9 months ago
@Jonnzoe I can show you a couple of video where gymnasts perfoms clean double front on bars and FX and without cowboying. :)
Missnewyork28 9 months ago
@Missnewyork28 send me a link then :)
Jonnzoe 9 months ago
@Jonnzoe montage: /watch?v=U6wbRNBo5ys There you have the best and the worst. Liukin is among the worst along with Strazheva, the worst ever and some others. But there are some really beautifully executed double fronts dismount and on FX. You can see LiliPod on the video cowboying a lot, good example because she improved it a lot, and didn't cowboy her double front with the extra half twist she performed in Atlanta. So you can fix it. Let me look for some others.
Missnewyork28 9 months ago
@Jonnzoe /watch?v=RGiT3zPOYFQ - /watch?v=IArsYcb9e_Y (nastia's dismount but better) - /watch?v=PsZiJiz9nRI&feature=related ) ) /watch?v=wqm5bxeIYDE - and some others, I'm not gonna look all the videos on youtube to find more
Missnewyork28 9 months ago
@Jonnzoe Double fronts actually aren't super hard on bars. They're a D skill. That's the minimum in order to receive the bonus .5 for a D-G dismount.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 9 months ago
@bikerOGX Couldn't have said it any better.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 9 months ago
@bikerOGX Are you unaware of Yang Yilins bent arms? Even in her jerky kips she bends her arms, a cardinal sin on bars!
boytoyville 9 months ago
@boytoyville Are you unaware of Nastia Liukin's bent arms on her Pak? Are you unaware of Nastia Liukin's late pirohuettes? Are you unaware of Nastia Liukin's open legs on every single Giant? Are you unaware of Nastia Liukin's bent legs before both releases? Are you unaware of Nastia Liukin's low Tkatchev? Did I mention her frog/cowboy/takingadump dismount?
No gymnast is perfect. However, between Nastia Liukin, He Kexin, and Yang Yilin, It's Yilin who has the closest to perfect form.
bikerOGX 9 months ago
@bikerOGX but thats not all that determined their scores alll of their routines are beautiful but im not quite sure id agree with u
gymmonkey4life 9 months ago
@gymmonkey4life I don't expect everyone to agree with me, only the smart ones. LOL.
bikerOGX 9 months ago
@bikerOGX nastia liukin should give the bronze medal to beth tweddle
KrazyWarriorKat 7 months ago
@KrazyWarriorKat Even if yang yilin and beth tweddle had a tie, yang yilin would have won because she had better execution than beth. Beth had a higher difficulty, but she had bad execution because she had so much going on.
brycehelmer 7 months ago
I know I'm not a gymnast or anything, and Nastia is clearly an amazing gymnast, but I'm sure there were girls more deserving of a silver.
bernardmvella 11 months ago
Don't try to compare nastia's dismont with he's. There's only a few gymnasts performing a dismount as bad as Nastia. Cowboyng, flex feet (come on it's not hard to point toes); low landing most of the time. It's horrible. He had a step, ok, but her dismount is beautiful. And she had less deduction with a feet than with all Nastia's form breaks. Plus, okay He cast to HS are not great, but Nastia has bent knees and leg seperations everywhere, is flat. At least He is CLEAN
Missnewyork28 11 m