@ cjh37878.. I do agree that this is a brilliant performance, but I can't help but disagree on the bow arm atrophy..I play, and am old, and like Menuhin, was trained very much in Franco-Belgian school of thought, a system that emphasizes, at tomes, bow speed rather than pressure..This results in beautiful glassiness of his tone as opposed to the more robust sound of say a Leonid Kogan. That being said, he was still formidable.I wish I had been present in 1927 when he played the Beethoven with NY
I can't believe I've never seen this. Menuhin is my favorite violinist, and I love the Mozart concerti.
This recording nearly brought me to tears of joy, but also sorrow. I believe this is Mozart's style: light and elegant, yet containing a lush, rich, and emotional sound. But, in contrast, Menuhin's bow arm atrophy is evident. 2:30 to 3:00 demonstrates this perfectly, especially the first attack. His bow arm destroyed much of his potential, potential that could have overshadowed Heifetz.
La fotografía en blanco y negro de esta filmación (de 1966) es muy buena, de las primeras filmaciones destacadas de Karajan, así como desde luego la interpretación de estos dos grandes músicos.
Smudgepots is correct. This was recorded at a time when Menuhin's playing was at a very low point. (I heard him live around this same era). It's certainly shocking to anyone who knew his playing when he was a youth.
Interestingly, through self understanding, Yoga and other methods his playing actually improved in the 1980's until his demise. But never again as he once was.
@ipmoic Agreed. He had considerable problems with his bowing and this led to nervous tension. A pity; if you listen to his early recordings - the Elgar Concerto, for example - he was a formidable player.
Haha, In the end they make different bowings :) very amateurish for the berlin philharmonic! But if I would have to play in this setup with candles and stuff... strange performance, very visual based. but sounds nice of course
back then they didn't have bowings, the players just did whatever they wanted and it usually ended up being the same since they were all musically awesome but occasionally you see a bows go in different directions,it simply wasn't a standard of the industry to have uniform bowings at this time
uniform bowings are invented much earlier than this video was shot. I think it must have been the time of Vivaldi or something. There is just someone making a fault ;)
How gloriously elegant, beautifully phrased! A glance back to a byegone age of music making - even if Menuhin, as usual, does make heavy weather of the solo and some pretty ghastly noises here and there. I can't help feeling there were probably several players in the orchestra who could have done more justice to the solo part...
@BBRENTTAGHAPP You don't have to be able to play better than Menuhin to have an informed opinion. I can't play the cello, but I know what I think of Rostropovitch, for example.
Karajan. Da sieht man,mit den richtigen Mitteln konnte man auch damals in höchster Tonqualität Musik aufnehmen!
Grima21 2 weeks ago
great clip! and quality is very good!
kateviolin9999 2 months ago
@ cjh37878.. I do agree that this is a brilliant performance, but I can't help but disagree on the bow arm atrophy..I play, and am old, and like Menuhin, was trained very much in Franco-Belgian school of thought, a system that emphasizes, at tomes, bow speed rather than pressure..This results in beautiful glassiness of his tone as opposed to the more robust sound of say a Leonid Kogan. That being said, he was still formidable.I wish I had been present in 1927 when he played the Beethoven with NY
TheMmesser 8 months ago
I can't believe I've never seen this. Menuhin is my favorite violinist, and I love the Mozart concerti.
This recording nearly brought me to tears of joy, but also sorrow. I believe this is Mozart's style: light and elegant, yet containing a lush, rich, and emotional sound. But, in contrast, Menuhin's bow arm atrophy is evident. 2:30 to 3:00 demonstrates this perfectly, especially the first attack. His bow arm destroyed much of his potential, potential that could have overshadowed Heifetz.
cjh37878 8 months ago
It is terribly sharp - almost b flat. Can you repost and see if it returns to "original" pitch?
Nai61a 9 months ago
I suggest He play this Concert in B major.
MrJacekkf 10 months ago 2
Karajan Menuhin , Furtwängler Menuhin : most glorious moments of XXth century violin .
fgtuh 1 year ago
Certified Intergalactic! Woo-hoo! Menuhin at his best with Karajan! Priceless video!
Dogaradodia 1 year ago
Why is the played in Bb?
flypba346 1 year ago
Why is the played in Bb?
flypba346 1 year ago
yes....WHY is this in Bb major....? He butchers it....
flypba346 1 year ago
karajan and menuhin. yay!
777maniac777 1 year ago
A rare piece of music combining the superb performance of the two great names.
mahmudbaig 2 years ago
Why is this in Bb Major?
mhhuskey1 2 years ago
La fotografía en blanco y negro de esta filmación (de 1966) es muy buena, de las primeras filmaciones destacadas de Karajan, así como desde luego la interpretación de estos dos grandes músicos.
sspipg 2 years ago
Questa musica e molto bella!
franco121760 2 years ago
Smudgepots is correct. This was recorded at a time when Menuhin's playing was at a very low point. (I heard him live around this same era). It's certainly shocking to anyone who knew his playing when he was a youth.
Interestingly, through self understanding, Yoga and other methods his playing actually improved in the 1980's until his demise. But never again as he once was.
ipmoic 2 years ago
@ipmoic Agreed. He had considerable problems with his bowing and this led to nervous tension. A pity; if you listen to his early recordings - the Elgar Concerto, for example - he was a formidable player.
Nai61a 9 months ago
I wonder which, of the many famous violins that Menuhin used , is this one?
Is it the Lord Wilton 1742 Guarneri del Gesù?
pietalpha2 2 years ago
Haha, In the end they make different bowings :) very amateurish for the berlin philharmonic! But if I would have to play in this setup with candles and stuff... strange performance, very visual based. but sounds nice of course
Sorcerer2k 2 years ago
it s not berlin phil. it s wiener symph. check the opening titles
cagin 2 years ago
back then they didn't have bowings, the players just did whatever they wanted and it usually ended up being the same since they were all musically awesome but occasionally you see a bows go in different directions,it simply wasn't a standard of the industry to have uniform bowings at this time
kevaughn1030 2 years ago
uniform bowings are invented much earlier than this video was shot. I think it must have been the time of Vivaldi or something. There is just someone making a fault ;)
Sorcerer2k 2 years ago
esto es hermoso
elbecerrodeoro 2 years ago
What a pity, it seems to me that this is not avaible on cd. I searched for it on ArkivMusic. Or do anyone knows anything different?
By the way: many thanks für uploading
Madschnun461 2 years ago
Two big names play at a big place of music so many years ago when they were both "young". Could we ask for more? Thank you from my heart!
rissneman 2 years ago
This is very beautiful...mayuoka1001 , thanks for uploading... =) Could you please tell me when and where this was recorded?
jodycheung90 2 years ago 4
Jan.1966 at Wien .
mayuoka1001 2 years ago
Thank you very much for your information=)
jodycheung90 2 years ago
How gloriously elegant, beautifully phrased! A glance back to a byegone age of music making - even if Menuhin, as usual, does make heavy weather of the solo and some pretty ghastly noises here and there. I can't help feeling there were probably several players in the orchestra who could have done more justice to the solo part...
smudgepots 3 years ago 2
@smudgepots menuhin is my god. every word you wrote foul-mouthing him chipped away at my heart, impudent bastard.
ahpedrami 1 year ago
@ahpedrami Wow... calm down... the guy wasn't foulmouthing Menuhin, he was giving an analysis/his opinion of the piece. I personally agree with him.
brightstar334 10 months ago
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@smudgepots menuhin is my god. every word you wrote foul-mouthing him chipped away at my heart, impudent bastard.
ahpedrami 1 year ago
@smudgepots and i'm sure you could play better than Mr. Menuhin himself can't you?
BBRENTTAGHAPP 1 year ago
@BBRENTTAGHAPP You don't have to be able to play better than Menuhin to have an informed opinion. I can't play the cello, but I know what I think of Rostropovitch, for example.
Nai61a 9 months ago