religion is the biggest cause of war.ever,and it is also the most stupid belief ever,it truly is a load of sh ite,we are all overgrown and over evolved pond life.the bible/quran.etc denies this,yet its been proven over and over again.let them kill themselves for their so called 40 virgins.their stupid little choice!
But I don't believe that pope hasn't read the bible because christians read it but hide the truth about the true nature of their god and some try to justify it.
I agree on what you said 3:53 must christians don't follow the teaching of middle ages i.e. their old testaments teaching but most Muslim I know don't follow their quran either it only a small group of muslims that is the Islamist
Islam is peaceful as long as Muslims are not oppressed, invaded, regime changed, tortured and occupied. You can't be moderate in a religion that is already taking a moderate path. Oh people of the book do not go extreme in your religion. Qur'an talks to Jews and Christians. It is the Jews and Christians who are extremists. Enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong is the basis for following Islam. As long as others don't use violence Islam will not become a violent religion. ..
And then you have the genocide, thats was in 1940, less then 60 years ago,your not going to tell me that muslims were behind that too?? I don think i need to remind anyone about the rwanda genocide in 1994, about 15 years ago, still fresh in many peoples mind, my friend lost her father in that, are you going to tell me that muslims were behind that too?? And are you going to tell me that its okay if the people of irak weere brought back to the dark ages to be freed either are you??
Altogether the Genocides perpetrated by Islamic People, in Sudan too and especially, and the Violence they brought to Africa and still bring ("The Devil came on Horseback") and in every Country they invaded, and they still do so against (now) Minorities of those Countries, are simply uncountable and a Shame for the whole Humanity - because for Petrodollars' Matters mainstream Medias and Politicians shut up! People of Irak were brought to Middle Age by Islamist Dictator Saddam Hussein.
One more Thing I have to add, the prophets time was 1400 years ago, how can slavery at that time, be compared to the slavery of the new world(I'm talking north america) To have people sell their own for a couple bucks and have them tortured and mistreeted for 400 hundred years. african americans wont ever let go of those 400 years of slavery, and will probably hold it in their hearts for generations to come.
Islamic Slavery, the Oriental Trade, has been worst than the Occidental One. Get informed. And it started before the Occidental One and lasted more. Does this say Something to you?
And if you are jewish, then the least you can do as a jewish is RESPECT the people of god no mather how good or evil.
Muslims are not EXTREMIST, and they are not out to get everyone in the world to convert or accept islam, if there are so called muslims who are being forced into the religion, then you should all know they are not really muslims if their heart are not in it.
Maybe you should get better informed about Islam, Shari'a and Islamic Totalitarian Ideology, which is Extremist: it is a sadistic miysogine pedo"phile" totalitarian Dictatorship. Get informed: it is "Religion" (Spiritualityless), it is Legal System and Politics. Islam is a Mafia's Clan alike, and therefore your "not really Muslims" protect the Clan, rather than you, in Case of Conflict. Follow History and the News, if you can, in order to keep informed and open your Eyes.
You dont see me blaming going around making videos about just how wrong and how far you've turned from YOUR prophet after he SACRIFICED HIS LIFE FOR YOU. If christianity today is truly that of Jesus, then youd know the true meaning of love and love all of Gods people, wheter good or bad
I would suggest you to know to learn more about Christianity self, and Christian Groups, in order for you to understand it and its universal Spirituality. Above all Crucifixion has a deep Meaning, which I suggest you to know: it has to do with Alchemy. Certainly Jesus-the-Christ loved, but he was an enlightened Being, which means, he was not stupid or silly. When there was to criticize the Evil, he did. This means: Wisedom and Compassion - which either work together or are Nothing.
But the danger is in the peaceful Muslims who use their democratic vote to bring "islam" to power. Unknowing what is actually all been written in the holy books.
Basically democracy is the oppression of a minority. After "Islam" would come to power, just like in Nazi Germany, the democrazy would seize to exist.
5) And saying that the Pope is wrong and that the Bible show that God is violent, means not having understood Christianity at all. Read the Gospel, before talking about it. And this has not just to do with Christianity, but with every other Faith, that Islam curse, and shows How totally ignorant it is about them. The Problem with Islam is that it is Spiritualityless, and that it picked up by other Faiths, without understanding them, in order to "create itself". Islam loves itself & hates Others.
Christianity the same religion who alowed slavery, forced people into their religion, applauded the killing of protestants during the dark ages, colonised many people to later have them turn against themselves, what religion you talking about?????
Those who have left Islam obviously have their reasons, they find this and that is wrong with islam yadayadayda. The reasons they left it stays the same in every case, they have not understood real islam.
A) Slavery exists since the Time of Pharaos, anyway Christianity is the Gospel, and you are warmly invited to read it, in order to clearify your Mind about it. The Church during Middle Age became Powerful, and this due to the Alliance with Governors: guess why Church's Christianity had to radicalize and guess where did that "Christianity" learn the Concept of persecuting People, and "Apostates"? (Islamic Invaders). While when it comes to "real Islam" it is institutionalized Criminality.
No one ever said Islam is a religion of peace, if you can't get that strait then how would you know and prove any other point youve made. It dosent teach us to turn the other cheek when your slapped, its an eye for an eye a touth for a touth. Your blinded by pure heatred toward this religion, heavens knows why i couldnt care less, i know the thruth
B) Muhammad self was a Criminal. He slaughtered, persecuted, raped, looted, lied, promoted War against Others, invaded, colonized, plagiarized, ... and so on did his Followers. And this wants to be called a Religion? Of Peace? It is scandalous that this Criminality is still called "a Religion", not to mention "of Peace".
the 5 pillars of islam, the 5 values you must fallow as a muslim that hold the religion together are: 1)Pray 5 times a day, we pray by actually bowing our body to the lord. 2)fast during the month of ramadan; expience hunger at least once in your life and think about nothing else but god for a month.3)Give Zehka, thats giving money to the poor, share your weatlh with them so they can live a little better.4) go to mekah at least once in you life and pray, thats where the prophet passed away
C) By the Way Muhammad institutionalized Slavery, therefore if you want to discuss about it you should talk about Islamic Slavery: maybe you can ask to Sudanese, which are abused by Islam and Islamic People since 14+ Centuries ago! Islam is genocidal, respects no One, and sane People - who were forced to adhere to it - "simply" leave it: and leaving Islam (and starting to criticize it) they show to be intelligent.
the last and not least, testamony of faith that god is one god is thrue and mohamed is his messenger. Is there anything about hate rape slavery and wrong doings in that??!! During the time of the prophet, the worlds were at war, everyone was against this new message, just as they were when they crusified the prophet isa(Jesus). As for Sudan, are you going to blame one country fighthing against each other on islam, are you going to blame the korean war on islam too?!
Are you kidding? I Now make you aware of the Fact that Islamic People must follow Shari'a, which is based on Quran and Sunnah, Words and Deeds of "the Prophet" - that Muhammad which is included in Shahada. Therefore Islamic People have to follow Muhammad - and Ahadith and Sira (Muhammad's Life) are there to show you what he did in his Life. It is a Lie to say that the World was in War: Muahmmad waged Wars against Others, who refused to "recongize" him as a "Prophet" (he actually was a Warlord).
The korean war was because of Iran THATS FUNNY...DID U EVEN GO TO YOUR HISTORY CLASS, even my little brother can tell you thats it was a pollitical battle. OPEN YOU EYES the worlds around you is run by money and natural gaz. Islam the REAL ISLAM IS NOT ABOUT SHARIA sharia itself is a political thing there is no politics in religion...loser
I did not say Korea is at War because Iran. I said Northkorea and Iran made a (dreadful) Alliance. Yes, the World is in a political Battle, and Islam is Politics, too (maybe it's Time for you to learn a bit more about Islam and whom that Muhammad was) - and since the Western World already experiences 2 Totalitarianisms and it kows they are horrible and sadist and worst, it perfectly know that: it want Totalitarianisms (like Islam is) anymore and that Humanity is in Danger due to Totalitarianism.
About Korea is it a Case that Northkorea is allied to sadistic dictatorial Regime of islamized Iran and to totalitarian and dictatorial venezuelan Regime? If you open your Eyes and watch around the World, you'll see the worst criminal Alliances being connected to the Islamic Wold - and it is not a Case. Islamic Leaders were and still be Thugs. Unfortunately Countries got islamized by Violence - phisical and psychological. Hopefully they will be freed from that Cancer called Islam & get healed.
You act like you know all there is to know about islam and history and your asking me to learn history, the sad truth here is that YOUR IN DENIAL, I guess this is why were asked not to bother with the non believers who gave up on the words of god 1400 years ago. I wish you a good life and that YOU and YOUR KIND are rid of your hatred soon enough before the day of judgement so that you may have a chance to be saved...
You are in Denial, or you are Lying (Taqyyia?) - the History of Islam and the Islamic World is there to see, included the Lie about so called Islamic Golden Age. Islam, since its Beginning, plagiarized from Others, looted, invaded, killed, raped, and this is what it is still doing. You talk about Religion at the same Time you say that Nonsenses about the Judgement Day? Well, this is another un-misreadable Proof/Evidence that Islam taught'n teaches you Nothing. You have to learn about Religions.
You are sad real sad, why dont YOU learn about islam insted of believing everything you see on tv, the same television that gives you the same bullshit that Israel is a victim of Palestine when Palistieniens are the ones living like crap. Give me PROOF that there was rape, killings invation and plagarism in islam and that ANY OF THAT ISNT PRESENT in the Bible, Im waiting for that proof, Jugement day is very much real, its present in the all religions,intil then good day to you.
4) Who should we (Non-islamic People/Worlds) thank for this Attitude of Islam(is People/World)? Its Koran (which is clearly against Others), its Taqyyia (which allows them to lie to Others and trick them), or their political Ideology (Nazist/Fascist alike)? It is a Lie saying that there is not a true Islam, above All when it comes to affect other Communities/Cultures and - eventually - overthrow them. This was like this in the Past, and still be like this. Denying this is unfair, or worst.
3) (Islamic People/World) has NOT YET recognized the Crimes it committed against Others in the History! And still committing Nowadays (Sudan, for Instance, and Riots, Plottings or Killings Elsewhere). But, as we know, it still (smartly?) portraying itself as "the Victim" and still accusing Others (the West, for Instance, Israel, for Instance, ...) to be Invaders, Colonializers, Imperialits, .... This is simply/almost disgusting. Unfair or simply (volountarly?) extremely unjust (and inhuman).
2) in Middle East AND NOT ONLY they are (still) preaching Hate against Non-islamic People, and especially against Jewishes. Every Country which has been invided by Islam (invaded, oppressed, looted, colonialized, imperialized, ...), suffers for this. They original Civilization has been damaged, and Natives are (still) persecuted! And not only, they are claiming to be the Victims of Others' Nazism??? This is at Least unfair, & at Most unbearable. Islam is still HIGHLY PROTECTED and Islam
1) I think It is extremely unfair to consider Islam(ic People) as Victims of Nazism (!) by Others (the West), since AS EVERYONE ELSE, they can immigrate in other Countries and, of Course, they are required to respect Laws (going on burning Cars if Others say they refuse Shari'a on their Soil or killing People because they dared to criticize Muhammad's Life CANNOT BE accepted, and rejecting those Actions IS NOT NAZISM). And more, Islam(ic People) collaborated with Nazis, and still in
I think you make a valuable contribution to the debate after all what are the options if islam and christianity are determined to confront each other. You obvously have a much broader experience of islam than me. I do think the idea of a literal queran and islams lack of a focal centre is a real stumbling block to an islamic reformation. I believe the abandonment of myth in favour of evidence is a historical inevitabillity.
Just following on.. I don't consider fundamentalism though to be a perversion of Islam. It's just a different interpretation of the same scripture. This is the problem inherent in basing a religion on ancient and vague texts.
However, Muslims should not be treated as if they're all planning on strapping on a bomb and boarding a bus. Moderates should be accorded the same rights and respect as anyone else, even if we consider Allah to be up there along with Santa and the tooth fairy.
Don'tLikeMuuzzies - your name alone exemplifies the kind of people this guy seems to want to distance himself from, and I don't blame him. How can you expect to be taken seriously with a name like that? You don't happen to vote BNP do you?
It seems to me that the problem with Islam lies in the core of the religion itself, rather than in its extremist adherents.
The Qur'an fairly seethes with hatred for the infidel, especially in the Medinan suras. Muhammad was a military conqueror and accordingly, his religion is a religion of conquest and subjugation.
The only way a Muslim can accept and be accepted into liberal society is by *jettisoning* (or else just never learning about) the core message of their religion.
Judaism is also founded on military conquest, and so is Christianity through the Old Testament. However, I don't see the majority of Jews and Christians following the example and advice of their books any more than the majority of Muslims would devote their lives to fighting.
I dislike these religions, and consider their books to be primitive, but see no reason to consider all followers to be literalists. It's nonsense, we're all entitled to hold odd personal beliefs.
"Follow what has been sent down unto youby your Sustainer,and follow no masters other than Him"How seldom do you keep this in mind?(Quran(7-3) What choise the muslims have?
A brief look at Islamic nations is all one really needs to understand that the practice of Islam yields little in terms of the advancement of freedom, education, creativity, science and knowledge.
And the same could be said for Christian nations several hundred years ago. I think the point is that there is a hope that Islam can make the same changes.
The real question is if the rest of the world has the time to wait for muslims to clean up their own act. There doesn't appear to be any progress as of now, and the world appears to be taking steady strides towards world war 3.
If the mythical "moderate muslims" do indeed exist, they'd better start doing something fast.
q 9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty,this license is to break any treaty thats taqyya!
Let me make sumthin clear. The Quran DOES NOT teach hate nor does it incite violence. I, as a Muslim, have read it, know the meaning and NO I DO NOT hate Jews, Christians or whoever you guys think I'm suppose to hate. None of u know a single thing about the Quran beside taking quotes off google & shoving them down peoples throats without making sense of it. BUT I guess we can't expect much from ignorant folks like u huh? Don't take my word 4 it, OPEN YOUR MIND, read the Quran urself & find out.
if you google "sceptics annotated quran" and then click on "intollerance" you find a list of about 500 quranic verses, which devalue non-believers or even contain direct hatred against non-believers.
Can't you imagine, that such teachings are the root of many problems of intollerance in muslim communities?
Cutting off limbs as punishment, stoning a new mother, torturing until people die a slow death, suppressed freedom of religion, murder, war, rape, death to apostates. I would expect much better than someone who was supposedly guided by the creator of the universe. Instead, mohammed has proven that he was guided by an evil force.
HIS SOLUTIONS WERE NOT AWE INSPIRING! His solutions were VIOLENCE and DEATH!
How can you possibly follow such an evil ideology?
Because many of them feel comfortable with it, they are the same scumb their pederastian, revengful, violent, torturer, montser-prophet was. Others just are good people who have never questioned what they were given as absolute truth, they can't desdain the Quran, but they try to "forget" the evilness they read; they follow their leaders and tradition as cattle. Others justify it in a pathetic, accomplice way. BUt what is for sure is no sane person can read it and follow it to the letter.
So 13lackMajik: you must understand that if I, an "unbeliever" has been able to find all this pieces of hate in just half an hour, there must be much more, actually I found more, but I can't copy the whole book.... The Quram is a hateful book if you take it to the letter. The Old Gospel is also violent but nobody takes it to the letter, nor Jews, nor Christians of course. You shoul admit reality. THIS guy, who doesn't hate Islam, as he says has good videos about this issue, balanced ones.
So my dear, I asked you for IN CONTEXT verses of the Quran that may incite hate or such. However, you provided me with those OUT OF CONTEXT. You must take the whole passage in to account before judging that passage alone.
Also, EVERY single verse speaking of killing the "non-believers" or anything is ONLY IN A DEFENSIVE MANNER. It is not permissible for Muslims to go around killing people. You are allowed to do so, ONLY IN SELF DEFENCE.
13LACK, You with your pathetic excuses of OUT OF CONTEXT. It means the same in context , you idiot. You condone TORTURE, and have the audacity to call it self-defense. You think it is ok to apply BARBARISM to another human being, to CUT OFF HANDS AND FEET(that is TORTURE, INHUMANE AND BARBARIC) to gauge eyes out, and to CRUCIFY people.
That is self-defense, you MORON? Get out of here, with your pathetic excuses for TORTURE AND BARBARISM, uncivilized moron! You are justifying sickness, youa re mentally ill.
Bla, bla, bla,.... you are a lier... I knew. Do you want me to copy for you the whole Quram... go and buy one, open it for what ever chapter and if waht you read doesn't disgust you, you have no conscience or moral.All the texts I sent you are in context, in the context of the wars you warlord-illiterate-mad war lord-prophet created. SO WHAT HE DID WITH A WHOLE JEW TRIBE WAS IN SELF DEFENCE??? go and try to fool some illiterates, you will find many of them in your desert, but I know how to read.
Wow. Here I am trying to "mend ways" & explain the other side of the coin with a respectable debate, & you guys of course, as always, show your true color by ignoring the other side & cussing. Yes, that makes your argument very authentic.. IT IS YOUR countries (Israel, USA, Britain, etc) that are torturing detainees, disrespecting their way of life, stealing resources in the name of democracy & you guys call me barbaric? Haha. I thought I was debating with some1 "civilized". Guess not, pathetic.
The peaceful silent majority of muslims, have been made totally irrelevant by their silence. Was the majority of the Germans before WOII not peaceful? Yet their sympathy for the nazi's let it all happen. Chinas huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. It is the muslim fanatics at this point in history that rule islam. We must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.
You are absolutely right.Islam means fear: wives fear their husbands,sons their parents, all fear God.A society based on fear is an ill society, easy to manipulate.Germans didn't do anything because they feared Nazis,so they didn't want to see it in order to justify their lack of response.Disidents in Muslim countries take a real risk over their lives if they challenge the main stream; here they are simply cowards as Germans were.MODERATE ISLAM must stand up here,where they will not be killed.
2/2 The British established media and the political leaders are cowering... hamstrung under a fascist "racism card", and unwilling to upset the "Muslim vote"- no matter how wrong these Muslim bigots are the Government appease these aggressive Muslim bigots on every turn. Ordinary folk are not stupid; they can see what the Government doesnt want to admit. People see that this Islam threatens western life.
1/2 You miss an important point. Although we will always have bigots, the anti- Islam response on the internet (and maybe one or two newspapers) is directed more to the ineffective and dishonest British Government who refuse to deal with violent hateful Muslims when Muslims spew unacceptable threats and hate and act aggresive, violently protesting, wanting to impose their way through sedition or threats.
The internet is now the only major outlet for people to critque Islam.
Whoever Allah guides, none can mis-guide and whoever Allah leaves astray, none can guide.
A Muslim is one who submits to the will of God. Accepts the 5 pillars of Islam and the 6 articles of faith is a Muslim. This is what all Muslims should believe.
The Jews and the Christians will never be happy with you until you follow their way.
Allah challenges mankind and jinn to create one chapter like the Quran (shortest chapter is 3 lines long (chapter 108)). None have succeeded! Allah akhbar!
"Whoever Allah guides, none can mis-guide and whoever Allah leaves astray, none can guide."
- You obviously don't understand the full ramifications of this statement. This statement says Allah made some people so they would never follow islam (Allah leaves astray), just so allah can send them to hell and have them tortured forever. These people who "Allah leaves astray" never had a chance. You understand how screwed up that is. This is a statement of pure hate.
The only thing we, Christians want from Muslims is stop killing us & threatening us. BTW forget about that freaky idea: "Islam will rule the world" If you want to life in OUR countries you must obbey OUR laws & pledge allegiance to our values. If not, if you praise discrimination for women or homosexuals, if you prosecute apostats or you try to impose on us your culte by any violent mean, you must LEAVE our countries. Easy: either you accept the rules of the game, or you can't play.
I'm sure you know that Spain was under Muslim rule for nearly 1000 years & NO non-Muslims were killed, prosecuted but were in fact given the right to practice their religion, choose their occupation etc. HOWEVER, as soon as the Muslim empire fell, the first thing that happened was tht Muslims were killed, tortured, disgraced & many forced to convert because they were seen as a "threat".
All of sudden Muslims are so bad? And Islam does NOT discriminate against women nor does it condone violence.
You are kidding me. YOU came here & impposed us your not whished presence by the sword. You enslaved women and sold them as sexual slaves not only in Spain but all along Africa. Native Jews and Christians had to pay special taxes, were not allowed to develope most of important jobs and they all lived as 2nd class citizens. We expelled you because we hated your domain over us. Muslims stayed here after the defeat of the last Nazarí king, in 1492 and they were not expelled until 1612
The main reason for it was they didn't pledge allegiance to our laws,they supported and even helped the Turquish pirates who were constantly attacking the East of Spain shore (and had attacked also Greeck) Any way Moriscos were allowed to take money,jewls, sell theirr properties and you were given 2 years to leave.PLEASE do not try to fool me!! . Islam is the most wicked way of discrimination against women:the one who claimes it is based on God's words. Discrimination made civil & religous law!
The fact is that non-Muslims were treated much better compared to those who lived in Europe & such at the time under CHRISTIAN rule. So don't try to pretend that Muslim rulers were the worst and they did so based on religion. As for the taxes, it was nothing new as people were simply continuing from their previous rulers AND the elderly, women, children & disabled were all exempt. As for selling women as sexual slaves & such, give me a source & I'll believe you.
You are lying. THERE WAS A SPECIAL NEW !!!! TAX for "unbelievers", You came to our country, which was heavily romanised (even we gave Rome some emperors), had a language latin, which wasn't Arabic of course, a religion (Catholicism), a culture, you came here and impposed yours. If you want to know about the slaves, the harems, etc... you just have to read any spanish book of the time, they are written in Latin, and also in the popular language old spanish. It was "vox populi".
2nd: NO Muslim leaved in Europe under Christian rule, onces we expelled you, so you can't compare it. We were clever enough to get rid of you. You were the invasors and you got your "Achiles heel" in Spain.
To end with: THE NIGHTMARE MUSLIM DOMINATION MEANT LASTED FROM 711 TO 1492: That is not 1000 years, THANK GOD!!!!
Actually reconquer war started in the same moment you arrived and in the 1200's you were already weak and had lost 90% of the territory.
All religions have forced others to convert despite all religions clalim it is not allowed, people convert when they see risk on their lives or in a way to achieve a better life (beeing together with the powerfull) YOU also did it and still do it
All religions have forced others to convert & such? (your words) ...So why is Islam the "worst" religion in your mind?
And NO, I didn't convert. BTW, religion, especially Islam, does not teach to hate, kill & such. Its humans who have for their own sakes (wealth, power, fame) have used & continue to use Islam to enforce their views upon others. Islam does not allow or condone such things. SO, in short, you are misinformed about Islam & need to learn to differ between terrorists & Islam.
13LAckMajik; Don't you know in English the word "you" can be singular (as you, 13lack) or plural, as you (Muslims)??? WELL, I meant you, Muslims also converted to Christianity in a way of integrating in those times. WELL, please DO NOT explain me Islam doesn't equal terrorism, EXPLAIN IT TO YOUR MUSLIM FELLOW TERRORIST.. they seem to be quite misinformed ALSO about what Islam is. STOP giving us lessons!! start with your own people, please! and read ALL your holly book it has terrible suras!
I agree with you that there are definitely Muslims ( I don't like to call them Muslims cuz they dont really follow the TRUE Islam, but I understand that's how the world knows them) who are extreme & use the wrong methods to get their message across (violence etc). BUT theres extremists & fundamentals in every religion. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism all have them, so to isolate Islam as the only religion with fundamentalists is wrong. You must look at the reasons for their violent outbursts tho
what is the TRUE Islam 13LackMajik? Can you explain what it is and why so many Muslims misinterpret it? The Quran states that it's made easy to understand and with no doubt in it (Q11:1, Q41:3, Q41:44, Q54:17, Q54:22, Q54:32, Q54:40 and in many other places) so no one is allowed to divert it's literal meaning.
why stop there 13LackMajik? fight the people till they say: "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah." Whoever says this will save his property and his life from me.'" Bukhari:V9B84N59 / Qur'an 9.88
If every kufar does this, see, how fast you see "extremism" disappear!
Obviously you didn't really even care to understand what I said. My point was, when you have created so many problems against a group of people, barely ever sided with them on any issue (eg. US never ever sides with Palestine regardless if they are right or wrong. & don't tell me they are NEVER "right"). All this creates hatred between Muslims & the West. Why fight the extremism thru combat? These are root causes/problems, solve those, you've solved extremism. Give no1 the reason to pickup arms.
Camp David 2000? When Palies prove to the rest of the World they are willing to live in peace alongside the Jews, just as they did before Muhammad ethnically cleansed them from the Arabian peninsula, and withdraw their support from terrorist orgs like Hamas who call for the murder of ALL Jews WORLDWIDE, then they will have even my support. Until then, they will remain the scourge of the middle east and can stew in their own juice.
I don't clap when I read your comments because you wouldn't hear me, but you have expressed the truth in a perfect, easy way.. even a Muslim should be able to understand you.
thanks asunagullo, It would be nice if they could but I think the problem is that most Muslims are completely ignorant of the fact that Islam's intolerant and divisive message of hate pre dates any modern existing governments, and their foreign policies. We can but live in hope though? :)
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims fight against the Jews & the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree & a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, Oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews. Sahih Muslim B41,N6985:
This was recorded before the state of Israel existed. Explain please?
When has there not been a sense of conflict between Muslims & Jews? It's been there for over 1400 years and continues to exist unfortunately. As for quoting Muslim texts, I suggest you quote one and one book only, the Quran as it is not written by people as the hadith. I promise you if you can find a single contradiction or hateful or inciting comment against any people or religion in the Quran, I myself would give up Islam.
Also I strongly suggest & urge you to check out: Dr. Zakir Naik.
exactly my point so stop trying to delude others with excuses that its because of Zionism or the state of Israel. As for the texts, you should be aware that Islamic law is based on the rules of the Quran and the sunnah, the perfect example of Muhammad, recorded in the hadiths, traditions. All Muslims are ordered to follow Muhammads perfect example Q33:21 Q60:04 Q60:06 in thought, word and deed. How are you going to do that if you reject the ahadith? oh and explain Q9.29 & Q5.33 for me?
Mohammed at the beginig liked Jews and Christians because we are also monotheists. (people of the book) He thought we ALL would convert to his new faith quickly. As you may imagine the debate between an illiterate camel dealer &d a rabino who had been studying the Torah for years is as if I challenge Einstein about physics... NO one converted, to what they though was the outburst of a lunatic. Both Jews & Christians rejected him, but I guess Jews laughed lowder, since that moment he hated us.
Actually quite a large number of people in fact converted to Islam but OBVIOUSLY most people would reject Islam at first (1400 years ago) cuz it was something new in medieval times when blasphemy was punishable by death. Beliv me Muhammad (PBUH) did not hate any1 based on religion, thats a fact.
"They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper." Quran 4.89
BTW; the ones you are supposed to kill is US, so you may understand I find this a BIT disturbing!!!
"When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." Quran 8.12
"And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do." Quran 8.39
NOW I AM BORED OF COPYING HATRED SURAS. YOU SHOULD READ YOUR HOOLY BOOK ! That "peaceful" book.:)
OK, If you give up Quran if I find a single incitement to hate.. you can start preparing your self for being apostat... so start hiding, some other "good believer" may think he has to fulfill Allah's commandment by killing you!!!!
AND like I said, if you present me with a single verse (in context) from the Quran that incites hatred towards anyone, condones killing or such, I myself would leave Islam. BUT you must prove me wrong (which I know you cant cuz there isnt a single surah which promotes such things).
"Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming." Quran 3.28
3-28: Remain on your guard, evil company can easily corrupt faith, therefore it is forbidden; instead we must strengthen our brotherhood (sisterhood)
What I understand from that is that Muslims should strengthen their relations with other Muslims and stay away from those who may have an evil influence.
Did your parents not ever tell you as a kid to stay away from some kids/friends cuz they were not good/didnt study/not obedient Etc ? Does that mean they "hated" those kids? NO.
"And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers." Quran 2.191
2:191: "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them ..."
It says, fight those WHO FIGHT YOU. In other words, in self defense. So if a Muslim community were attacked, then it is permissible to defend by killing or whatever is necessary.
If you read from 2:190 to 193, you would better understand it IN CONTEXT.
(I asked for IN CONTEXT citations, but you've done otherwise. Like many people do)
"Abasement is made to cleave to them wherever they are found, except under a covenant with Allah and a covenant with men, and they have become deserving of wrath from Allah, and humiliation is made to cleave to them; this is because they disbelieved in the communications of Allah and slew the prophets unjustly; this is because they disobeyed and exceeded the limits." Quran 3.112
3:112: Shame is pitched over them (Like a tent) wherever they are found, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allah and from men; they draw on themselves wrath from Allah, and pitched over them is (the tent of) destitution. This because they rejected the Signs of Allah, and slew the prophets in defiance of right; this because they rebelled and transgressed beyond bounds.
The bible also speaks of this fact of Jews killing Prophets 1 Thessalonians 2:15, and repeated in Acts 7:52
"And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain, and you hope from Allah what they do not hope; and Allah is Knowing, Wise." Quran 4.104
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"And how many a town that We destroyed, so Our punishment came to it by night or while they slept at midday." Quran 7.4
& what islam is mohamed's? The peacefull of the hundreds of millions of gentle Muslims or the islam of the terrorists? Did he beheaded, tortured etc yes or no?
Muslims cannot do the same than the Xtians (i.e. better their religion) coz while Jesus was mostly a good man, moh was mostly a criminal
I am sorry but am I telling some untruth? Dearest Hassan, I think you're still in denial, I think if you want to heal, you need to stop
Yup, Islam is easily interpreted as a crackpot ideology thats for sure. People who stone people to death in the monotheistic sense are IMO mentally ill. However, economics is the root of the problem. For example, Saudi Arabia, why is every western country its ally? Its never in the news or even talked about and it is financiang Islam all over the world. Its money folks, and corrupt politicians. Religion is simply being used as it always has. A device to mold the populace.
I do see your point, but I have to disagree with you by saying that believing in islam as being a violent religion doesn't make on anti-Muslim. You can negatively view the religion, but don't have to view the majority of people in that way. I bet there are ex-Muslims like us who see islam as being violent, but don't hate the majority of Muslims.
so as there are many variations and interpretations of Islam.....does that make Islam itself a contradition? ie it allows one group of people to interpretate is peacfully yet it also give opportunity for another group to interpretate is with violence??
human beings are born good.. religions - all religions make them believe things that are utterly rediculous and that have no connection with reality - as a consequence some become violent... surely not all - because some survive the brainwash, but many don't..
You will never see a deist\agnostic\atheistic man slaughtering people in the name of his non-faith - 2 force no-faith on people
It would be grave and dangerous because it gives justification to violent nationalists and racists to use violence against Muslims - like the Russian gang in my video, who beheaded two Muslim immigrants.
As humans we are all equal - but Islam itself cannot be separated - from the Koran, Muhammed and teachings
To label everyone - who is a critic of Islam - as a bigot or on the far-right is the same as labelling every Muslim as violent -
Must are critical of the things Islam does - and it is Muslims who - react only to maintain Islam's image - rather than to rail against the injustices under Islam -
Apostates are killed - women stoned - children married - etc.
discussislam you did say that, you keep on asserting that anyone who raises a brow about Islam is a bigot. I have seen your comments and I do not understand why you keep on defending Islam. All religions are false, but Islam is more than a religion. It has political components. Its teachings are vile and you should know better. It does not matter that you fail to see what Islam really teaches and make up excuses that "there are many types of Islam".
@Crush: hm, in my oinion it is not only a pity, but also dangerous that you do not perceive the diversity of the Islamic culture and history, which is actually demonstrated quite well in this video and many others. By solely perceiving Islam as danger, you seriously risk of radicalising many people on this world, who peacefully believe in their religion. And that is surely not what we all wish.
do you notice we are not having this argument over Buddhist. you are just another cultural relativist perpetuating the dangers of political correctness. Islam...Political Islam....you weren't a Muslim for long were you. they are one and the same.
Extreme bigots?????? you propose such a stupid argument. Islam is open to all interpretations, you want blood, ill find blood you want poetry i'll find poetry. 2:50 says it all, no its just a little easier to find extreme aliments in Islam, that's why i have nothing to do with it anymore, I am not a bigot, if anything brings out bigots its spiritual bigotry.
3RD: The DIFFERENCE between the violent people and killers who kill immigrants, or people from any other religion in West and Muslims terrorists is the following: Those people in West face jail, social isolation and despise, nobosy says they are following owr laws or religion, while terrorists are given prices, encouraged, treated as heroes, and converted in sacred people. The difference is WE despise and prosecute killers, not that we don't have killers, but that we fight them.
2nd: Faith comes not from body but from soul, therefore that who wants to bring someother to faith needs to debate well & have a right reasoning,not to get to violence or weapons, to convince a reasonable soul no muscles or weapons are needed"...I'M SORRY BUT THAT HAPPENS NOWADAYS IN ISLAM, & in the same way Inquisition was against God's law and didn't stop Protestants or Jews, Muslims will not "convince" us with bombs, behadings, etc..now, show me any other faith which tries to do this NOWADAYS
1st:You are again twisting what the Pope said, He was reading about an old debate between the Bizantine Emperor and a cultured persian about Christianity and Islam, hat was a few years before the Bizantine Empire was conquered and destroyed by Muslims. They had been threatening it for years, Islam was spreading by sword not with a kind, beatific smile or high-leveel debates. The Pope told the story and said: "God is not pleased with blood, actying against reason is against God's nature.
3rd: We can help, support and hope you win, but this is your fight. We have another responsability: keeping an eye on this revolution, and beeing prepared for fighting if moderates loose this struggle. That is war, and war is never a nice future, but we can't fool ourselves, if radicals take the control we will have 3rd world war, and we must win, for the sake of humankind. The ones who will pay a higher price if this happens, unfortunatelly are moderate Muslims as no-nazi Germans did
2nd: These oppresive societies are based on fear and the support of a great number of people who have been brainwashed since they are born. It is exactly what HItler did, and you react in the same the way German society reacted to it: doing nothing. The few brave people who oppose it, and want a honest change are prosecuted by radicals who have the power. That is why WE do not hear your voice. But the responsability of this revolution is yours. Change must happen from inside.
You are beeing demagogic. What westerns say is there is a violent, fascist, racist,misogynist ideology based in Islam & this can't be denied. Just have a look at Muslim world. This doesn't mean all Muslims are that way, but many of them. Not only terrorists but the leaders, members of goverment, police, journalists, teachers, etc.. of all the countries which base their laws on Sharia (which is based in Quran) and deny human rights. They are neccesary accomplices.
I said f we had a few nuts killing all muslims the muslims would want us to stop the nut jobs.
And they would say stop them or we will think it's all americans.
So now the shoe is on the other foot so to speak.
If good muslims want us to beleave it's only a few radicals and that most of the 1.2 billion muslums are peaseful then they better stop their radicals or we will think it's all muslims. muslims have 3 times the people we do so should be easy
I think u are good person, but your theory is not applicable because the ones u call moderate muslims do support and like the things done by extremists for eg. no moderate muslim has done something to stop the stonning of a 13 yo child in summalia, they just watch
and they think such things are to be forgoton and the real priorities is islamization of the world
On taqiyyah, I suggest you revisit not only your former canonical scriptures, but also the link to an article at Arabic wikipedia on التقية
Another link to a book can be found by typing the same Arabic word into google (1st result)and this link provides a comprehensive analysis of the texts and justifications for 'dissimulation' amongst every Muslim sect.
Quite frankly, I wouldn't support your cultural Marxist campaign of One Law for All under pain of death. Your position reeks of authoritarianism and is quite antithetical to the majority of fair-minded Britons. (tbc)
"your cultural Marxist campaign of One Law for All under pain of death."
I'm not sure what you mean by this - could you explain?
I am not a Marxist and the Council's one-law-for-all campaign is aimed at preventing religious laws like Shari'ah being imposed on small sections of the population in the UK.
I trust your campaign is sincere, but my reservations are threefold:
You say that "all religious laws are arbitrary and discriminatory against women and children." which is wildly inaccurate.
Your campaign, as evidenced by the founder's espousal of communism, suggests a broader anti-religious agenda that is quite antithetical to traditional British liberal thought. (tbc)
'Under pain of death' is a figure of speech; similar to 'come what may' or 'if I were the last person on earth'. I used it in hyperbolic fashion here to highlight my absolute rejection of your campaign. Sorry.
I also think theres a misunderst. here about two concepts: equality before the law and rule of law. When she demands equality, what Maryam actually mean? Literal equal.? If she means, as Im sure she does, that there must be adequate protection of univ. human rights, then I concur. If she means that there are no natural inequalities then I would vigourously disagree: does a British citizen have the same rights as non-citizens? Criminals and the innocent? This needs some clarification.
To my knowledge, and it is borne out by the so small as to be insignificant number of marriages each year in the UK between a non-Muslim man and a Muslim woman, 99.9% of Muslims would object to their daughters, sisters and female relatives from marrying a non-Muslim...in many cases a honour crime is called for to expunge the 'guilt' felt by the 'tainted' family. This happens all too often in the UK. (tbc)
As you are an ex-Muslim, you are no doubt aware of the racism, prejudice and bigotry that obtains...even amongst 'mod.' Muslim families when it comes to who their daughters marry. As I suspect you are part of Maryam Namazie's quite odd middle-class Anglo-Iranian crowd, you are already cut off from reality, but consider this: Hinduism, Sikhism and Ox. Judaism all require marriage to a fellow believer; orthodox Islam also requires marriage to a fellow believer (unless you're a man that is). (tbc)
You say that the majority of Muslims are 'moderate' or practice a moderate form of Islam. Well, I beg to differ. As an Anglican (and to be honest faith has nothing to do with it) I could have married anyone of any faith or none at all. It makes not the slightest difference to me. In the end, I was lucky enough to meet my lovely Muslim wife at university. (tbc)
Oh dear, where to begin? You seem to be a fairly decent sort of fellow so I'll try not to insult your intelligence. I'm undecided as to whether you're truly an ex-Muslim or not: your pronounciation of the Arabic letter Qaf shows you are at least familiar with Arabic. (TBC)
Fundemental Christians are at least, if not more dangerous then radical Islam. Why is that? Because they are part of what makes radicalism breath. think about what you say and how you give it "cause"....
Personelly, I believe it is high time all humanity evolved from religion. It is time for all mankind to respect science and nature, and make the world a better place for our childrens sake. No religion? No War !!! Think about it.
Hi Hassan, I've been thinking about this video and I disagree with some of it. The part about reinterpret the verses even if it isnt correct. A similar thing happened in India, when sufis came to India. They followed a version of islam that wasnt interpreted correctly. Soon as the literalists muslims challenged the sufi muslims a large number of them converted to a more literal islam. And now you have a large population of muslims that follow some pretty messed up values.
My point is, if you don't change the actual verses in the quran or remove the controversial verses, there is a good chance people will fall back on the literalist view. Because, technically, they actually are correct. When I say literalists, I don't mean extremists like Osama, who want to kill anyone who isn't muslim, I mean the ones who think it is ok to hit your wife if she doesn't do as you say, or cutting people's hands off, or ect.
I think that ALL religeon poisons societywith delusional thinking. This thinking paves the way for more delusional thought and rationalizations eventually giving way to endless interpretations based on fantasies. This is the breeding ground for fundamentalism and extreemism.
I agree with you to a point. The muslim community at large do appear to be demanding special rights in regards to attempting to limit the free speech of others. I agree that most muslims are not violent extremists, but I also have issues with the apparent amount of respect muslims seem to be demanding while not showing any in return. If I am wrong or out of line, please explain why. I am very open to all information and you certainly have more knowledge on the subject than I do.
Search YouTube for "Islam - A Warning From Recent History".
It is very, very hard to believe the negative perception of Islam is just a minority. It seems every month we are given reasons to see Islam negatively, it is going to take more than pictures of smiling Muslims to counter that.
Right now it feels like the moderates are a minority and in protecting them the extremists are allowed to roam free, allot has to change if I am to change my impression that Islam is a dangerous threat.
When i watch your videos i always think of 1 thing! when you was a religious, who did it make sense the religions (qura`an) to you? when you are so logical person now and specially because you became at the age of 20-21 !!!! Amazing..... i thank you sooooooooo much for sharing your deep thoughts and stores with all of us! thank you again.
Muslims learn from day 1, that they can't question the teacher nor the teaching.. To change islam into something less violant than it is today, you need to allow the people to make up their own minds, early or later in life... Islam is about obediance to the WORD (Quran) and if you step out of line you'll pay for it... Just as any other brainwashing bullshit there is on this planet... I think its time for "Freedom FROM religion" instead of "Freedom of religion."
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religion is the biggest cause of war.ever,and it is also the most stupid belief ever,it truly is a load of sh ite,we are all overgrown and over evolved pond life.the bible/quran.etc denies this,yet its been proven over and over again.let them kill themselves for their so called 40 virgins.their stupid little choice!
TheSixFootMidget 2 years ago
Muslims aren't actually allowed to slay those who insult Islam unless both parties declare and agree on a war.
Someone was insulting Muhammad and Islam. One of the companions of Muhammad got offended and gave offensive comments to that person.
Muhammad ordered his companion to say sorry to this guy and give this guy a compensation for the companions awful reaction.
Learn about the real Islam please, not from these radicals who think they are muslims, just because they inherited Islam.
oombuddah 2 years ago
BULLSHIT. And where in the koran is this fairy tale stated?
shitonMOHAMMAD 2 years ago
Simply magnificent.
MyTuppenceWorth 2 years ago 2
But I don't believe that pope hasn't read the bible because christians read it but hide the truth about the true nature of their god and some try to justify it.
rayslions2dot2 2 years ago
I agree on what you said 3:53 must christians don't follow the teaching of middle ages i.e. their old testaments teaching but most Muslim I know don't follow their quran either it only a small group of muslims that is the Islamist
rayslions2dot2 2 years ago
you are doing a great service to humanity. i commend you for that.
"religion is the biggest vacuum cleaner sold to the people by the peopl to rip off people",
zulfiqar tareen.
zulfitareen 2 years ago
great video, keep it up
soth3d 2 years ago
Islam is peaceful as long as Muslims are not oppressed, invaded, regime changed, tortured and occupied. You can't be moderate in a religion that is already taking a moderate path. Oh people of the book do not go extreme in your religion. Qur'an talks to Jews and Christians. It is the Jews and Christians who are extremists. Enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong is the basis for following Islam. As long as others don't use violence Islam will not become a violent religion. ..
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
What a great video!
Thank you for being an example of tolerance and clam, reasoned argument.
Your videos are a pleasure to watch.
simsi1616 2 years ago
And then you have the genocide, thats was in 1940, less then 60 years ago,your not going to tell me that muslims were behind that too?? I don think i need to remind anyone about the rwanda genocide in 1994, about 15 years ago, still fresh in many peoples mind, my friend lost her father in that, are you going to tell me that muslims were behind that too?? And are you going to tell me that its okay if the people of irak weere brought back to the dark ages to be freed either are you??
Daywallker 2 years ago
Altogether the Genocides perpetrated by Islamic People, in Sudan too and especially, and the Violence they brought to Africa and still bring ("The Devil came on Horseback") and in every Country they invaded, and they still do so against (now) Minorities of those Countries, are simply uncountable and a Shame for the whole Humanity - because for Petrodollars' Matters mainstream Medias and Politicians shut up! People of Irak were brought to Middle Age by Islamist Dictator Saddam Hussein.
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
One more Thing I have to add, the prophets time was 1400 years ago, how can slavery at that time, be compared to the slavery of the new world(I'm talking north america) To have people sell their own for a couple bucks and have them tortured and mistreeted for 400 hundred years. african americans wont ever let go of those 400 years of slavery, and will probably hold it in their hearts for generations to come.
Daywallker 2 years ago
Islamic Slavery, the Oriental Trade, has been worst than the Occidental One. Get informed. And it started before the Occidental One and lasted more. Does this say Something to you?
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
And if you are jewish, then the least you can do as a jewish is RESPECT the people of god no mather how good or evil.
Muslims are not EXTREMIST, and they are not out to get everyone in the world to convert or accept islam, if there are so called muslims who are being forced into the religion, then you should all know they are not really muslims if their heart are not in it.
Daywallker 2 years ago
Maybe you should get better informed about Islam, Shari'a and Islamic Totalitarian Ideology, which is Extremist: it is a sadistic miysogine pedo"phile" totalitarian Dictatorship. Get informed: it is "Religion" (Spiritualityless), it is Legal System and Politics. Islam is a Mafia's Clan alike, and therefore your "not really Muslims" protect the Clan, rather than you, in Case of Conflict. Follow History and the News, if you can, in order to keep informed and open your Eyes.
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
You dont see me blaming going around making videos about just how wrong and how far you've turned from YOUR prophet after he SACRIFICED HIS LIFE FOR YOU. If christianity today is truly that of Jesus, then youd know the true meaning of love and love all of Gods people, wheter good or bad
Daywallker 2 years ago
I would suggest you to know to learn more about Christianity self, and Christian Groups, in order for you to understand it and its universal Spirituality. Above all Crucifixion has a deep Meaning, which I suggest you to know: it has to do with Alchemy. Certainly Jesus-the-Christ loved, but he was an enlightened Being, which means, he was not stupid or silly. When there was to criticize the Evil, he did. This means: Wisedom and Compassion - which either work together or are Nothing.
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
5 stars!!!!!
But the danger is in the peaceful Muslims who use their democratic vote to bring "islam" to power. Unknowing what is actually all been written in the holy books.
Basically democracy is the oppression of a minority. After "Islam" would come to power, just like in Nazi Germany, the democrazy would seize to exist.
AndreXtra 2 years ago
As far as I know islam is extreme because mohammed said himself.
"if two verses contradict, the latest one is the one to be followed, allah is smart, you were not ready for this message yet".
since the evil ones come after the peacefull ones... its leading to evil and extreme
AndreXtra 2 years ago
@AndreXtra
Where did you get that from? Can you quote the Surah in the Quran which says what you are stating?
CreativeZed 2 years ago
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sure, watch "Islam, what the west needs to know" on google video or my channel.
AndreXtra 2 years ago
I watched it. They dont mention the proof of what you stated which is:
"if two verses contradict, the latest one is the one to be followed, allah is smart, you were not ready for this message yet".
Show me the source of your claim if there is one.
Thanks!
CreativeZed 2 years ago
Wow, you are as smart ass allah.
So you didn't find this statement.
But than it means that the quran is contradicting itself without reason... hmmm
sounds like the book is not from God then doesn't it??? hahaha
AndreXtra 2 years ago
5) And saying that the Pope is wrong and that the Bible show that God is violent, means not having understood Christianity at all. Read the Gospel, before talking about it. And this has not just to do with Christianity, but with every other Faith, that Islam curse, and shows How totally ignorant it is about them. The Problem with Islam is that it is Spiritualityless, and that it picked up by other Faiths, without understanding them, in order to "create itself". Islam loves itself & hates Others.
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
Christianity the same religion who alowed slavery, forced people into their religion, applauded the killing of protestants during the dark ages, colonised many people to later have them turn against themselves, what religion you talking about?????
Those who have left Islam obviously have their reasons, they find this and that is wrong with islam yadayadayda. The reasons they left it stays the same in every case, they have not understood real islam.
Daywallker 2 years ago
A) Slavery exists since the Time of Pharaos, anyway Christianity is the Gospel, and you are warmly invited to read it, in order to clearify your Mind about it. The Church during Middle Age became Powerful, and this due to the Alliance with Governors: guess why Church's Christianity had to radicalize and guess where did that "Christianity" learn the Concept of persecuting People, and "Apostates"? (Islamic Invaders). While when it comes to "real Islam" it is institutionalized Criminality.
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
No one ever said Islam is a religion of peace, if you can't get that strait then how would you know and prove any other point youve made. It dosent teach us to turn the other cheek when your slapped, its an eye for an eye a touth for a touth. Your blinded by pure heatred toward this religion, heavens knows why i couldnt care less, i know the thruth
Daywallker 2 years ago
B) Muhammad self was a Criminal. He slaughtered, persecuted, raped, looted, lied, promoted War against Others, invaded, colonized, plagiarized, ... and so on did his Followers. And this wants to be called a Religion? Of Peace? It is scandalous that this Criminality is still called "a Religion", not to mention "of Peace".
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
the 5 pillars of islam, the 5 values you must fallow as a muslim that hold the religion together are: 1)Pray 5 times a day, we pray by actually bowing our body to the lord. 2)fast during the month of ramadan; expience hunger at least once in your life and think about nothing else but god for a month.3)Give Zehka, thats giving money to the poor, share your weatlh with them so they can live a little better.4) go to mekah at least once in you life and pray, thats where the prophet passed away
Daywallker 2 years ago
C) By the Way Muhammad institutionalized Slavery, therefore if you want to discuss about it you should talk about Islamic Slavery: maybe you can ask to Sudanese, which are abused by Islam and Islamic People since 14+ Centuries ago! Islam is genocidal, respects no One, and sane People - who were forced to adhere to it - "simply" leave it: and leaving Islam (and starting to criticize it) they show to be intelligent.
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
the last and not least, testamony of faith that god is one god is thrue and mohamed is his messenger. Is there anything about hate rape slavery and wrong doings in that??!! During the time of the prophet, the worlds were at war, everyone was against this new message, just as they were when they crusified the prophet isa(Jesus). As for Sudan, are you going to blame one country fighthing against each other on islam, are you going to blame the korean war on islam too?!
Daywallker 2 years ago
Are you kidding? I Now make you aware of the Fact that Islamic People must follow Shari'a, which is based on Quran and Sunnah, Words and Deeds of "the Prophet" - that Muhammad which is included in Shahada. Therefore Islamic People have to follow Muhammad - and Ahadith and Sira (Muhammad's Life) are there to show you what he did in his Life. It is a Lie to say that the World was in War: Muahmmad waged Wars against Others, who refused to "recongize" him as a "Prophet" (he actually was a Warlord).
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
The korean war was because of Iran THATS FUNNY...DID U EVEN GO TO YOUR HISTORY CLASS, even my little brother can tell you thats it was a pollitical battle. OPEN YOU EYES the worlds around you is run by money and natural gaz. Islam the REAL ISLAM IS NOT ABOUT SHARIA sharia itself is a political thing there is no politics in religion...loser
Daywallker 2 years ago
I did not say Korea is at War because Iran. I said Northkorea and Iran made a (dreadful) Alliance. Yes, the World is in a political Battle, and Islam is Politics, too (maybe it's Time for you to learn a bit more about Islam and whom that Muhammad was) - and since the Western World already experiences 2 Totalitarianisms and it kows they are horrible and sadist and worst, it perfectly know that: it want Totalitarianisms (like Islam is) anymore and that Humanity is in Danger due to Totalitarianism.
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
About Korea is it a Case that Northkorea is allied to sadistic dictatorial Regime of islamized Iran and to totalitarian and dictatorial venezuelan Regime? If you open your Eyes and watch around the World, you'll see the worst criminal Alliances being connected to the Islamic Wold - and it is not a Case. Islamic Leaders were and still be Thugs. Unfortunately Countries got islamized by Violence - phisical and psychological. Hopefully they will be freed from that Cancer called Islam & get healed.
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
You act like you know all there is to know about islam and history and your asking me to learn history, the sad truth here is that YOUR IN DENIAL, I guess this is why were asked not to bother with the non believers who gave up on the words of god 1400 years ago. I wish you a good life and that YOU and YOUR KIND are rid of your hatred soon enough before the day of judgement so that you may have a chance to be saved...
Daywallker 2 years ago
You are in Denial, or you are Lying (Taqyyia?) - the History of Islam and the Islamic World is there to see, included the Lie about so called Islamic Golden Age. Islam, since its Beginning, plagiarized from Others, looted, invaded, killed, raped, and this is what it is still doing. You talk about Religion at the same Time you say that Nonsenses about the Judgement Day? Well, this is another un-misreadable Proof/Evidence that Islam taught'n teaches you Nothing. You have to learn about Religions.
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
You are sad real sad, why dont YOU learn about islam insted of believing everything you see on tv, the same television that gives you the same bullshit that Israel is a victim of Palestine when Palistieniens are the ones living like crap. Give me PROOF that there was rape, killings invation and plagarism in islam and that ANY OF THAT ISNT PRESENT in the Bible, Im waiting for that proof, Jugement day is very much real, its present in the all religions,intil then good day to you.
Daywallker 2 years ago
4) Who should we (Non-islamic People/Worlds) thank for this Attitude of Islam(is People/World)? Its Koran (which is clearly against Others), its Taqyyia (which allows them to lie to Others and trick them), or their political Ideology (Nazist/Fascist alike)? It is a Lie saying that there is not a true Islam, above All when it comes to affect other Communities/Cultures and - eventually - overthrow them. This was like this in the Past, and still be like this. Denying this is unfair, or worst.
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
3) (Islamic People/World) has NOT YET recognized the Crimes it committed against Others in the History! And still committing Nowadays (Sudan, for Instance, and Riots, Plottings or Killings Elsewhere). But, as we know, it still (smartly?) portraying itself as "the Victim" and still accusing Others (the West, for Instance, Israel, for Instance, ...) to be Invaders, Colonializers, Imperialits, .... This is simply/almost disgusting. Unfair or simply (volountarly?) extremely unjust (and inhuman).
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
2) in Middle East AND NOT ONLY they are (still) preaching Hate against Non-islamic People, and especially against Jewishes. Every Country which has been invided by Islam (invaded, oppressed, looted, colonialized, imperialized, ...), suffers for this. They original Civilization has been damaged, and Natives are (still) persecuted! And not only, they are claiming to be the Victims of Others' Nazism??? This is at Least unfair, & at Most unbearable. Islam is still HIGHLY PROTECTED and Islam
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
1) I think It is extremely unfair to consider Islam(ic People) as Victims of Nazism (!) by Others (the West), since AS EVERYONE ELSE, they can immigrate in other Countries and, of Course, they are required to respect Laws (going on burning Cars if Others say they refuse Shari'a on their Soil or killing People because they dared to criticize Muhammad's Life CANNOT BE accepted, and rejecting those Actions IS NOT NAZISM). And more, Islam(ic People) collaborated with Nazis, and still in
PersiaPersa 2 years ago
I think you make a valuable contribution to the debate after all what are the options if islam and christianity are determined to confront each other. You obvously have a much broader experience of islam than me. I do think the idea of a literal queran and islams lack of a focal centre is a real stumbling block to an islamic reformation. I believe the abandonment of myth in favour of evidence is a historical inevitabillity.
ooglebydoogleby 2 years ago
I think it is Islam that is the problem, and SOME Muslims.
Another problem is that many Muslims live in ignorance of what exactly it is they are believing in.
How many muslims believe that all negative comments are "Islamaphobia"?
How many WON'T investigate?
How many haven't read hadiths?
How many don't understand the Qur'an?
How many haven't even READ the Qur'an?
For many Muslims "Muslim" is a club - these ignorant people just give weight to the power of literal Islam.
AlRasuwl 2 years ago 2
Just following on.. I don't consider fundamentalism though to be a perversion of Islam. It's just a different interpretation of the same scripture. This is the problem inherent in basing a religion on ancient and vague texts.
However, Muslims should not be treated as if they're all planning on strapping on a bomb and boarding a bus. Moderates should be accorded the same rights and respect as anyone else, even if we consider Allah to be up there along with Santa and the tooth fairy.
scepticalpreacher 2 years ago
Don'tLikeMuuzzies - your name alone exemplifies the kind of people this guy seems to want to distance himself from, and I don't blame him. How can you expect to be taken seriously with a name like that? You don't happen to vote BNP do you?
Tamberlyn4u 2 years ago
It seems to me that the problem with Islam lies in the core of the religion itself, rather than in its extremist adherents.
The Qur'an fairly seethes with hatred for the infidel, especially in the Medinan suras. Muhammad was a military conqueror and accordingly, his religion is a religion of conquest and subjugation.
The only way a Muslim can accept and be accepted into liberal society is by *jettisoning* (or else just never learning about) the core message of their religion.
AlephNeil 2 years ago
Judaism is also founded on military conquest, and so is Christianity through the Old Testament. However, I don't see the majority of Jews and Christians following the example and advice of their books any more than the majority of Muslims would devote their lives to fighting.
I dislike these religions, and consider their books to be primitive, but see no reason to consider all followers to be literalists. It's nonsense, we're all entitled to hold odd personal beliefs.
scepticalpreacher 2 years ago
"Follow what has been sent down unto youby your Sustainer,and follow no masters other than Him"How seldom do you keep this in mind?(Quran(7-3) What choise the muslims have?
AmdanAbla99 2 years ago
Muslims have choices, to go to hell or paradise.
ezsarah 2 years ago
i love your gand.
i mean i love pakistan
jimyarien 2 years ago
A brief look at Islamic nations is all one really needs to understand that the practice of Islam yields little in terms of the advancement of freedom, education, creativity, science and knowledge.
AdultAlchemist 2 years ago 3
And the same could be said for Christian nations several hundred years ago. I think the point is that there is a hope that Islam can make the same changes.
eqfan592 2 years ago
exactly! several hundred years ago........
You are hoping that they will change the absolute word of god.
There has bee little sign of this, despite exposure to science and technology
AdultAlchemist 2 years ago 2
Besides, Islam has had 1400 years of exposure to less violent cultures and it seems to have made little difference.
AdultAlchemist 2 years ago 3
The real question is if the rest of the world has the time to wait for muslims to clean up their own act. There doesn't appear to be any progress as of now, and the world appears to be taking steady strides towards world war 3.
If the mythical "moderate muslims" do indeed exist, they'd better start doing something fast.
Gnomefro 2 years ago
q 9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty,this license is to break any treaty thats taqyya!
aeae1111y 2 years ago
Let me make sumthin clear. The Quran DOES NOT teach hate nor does it incite violence. I, as a Muslim, have read it, know the meaning and NO I DO NOT hate Jews, Christians or whoever you guys think I'm suppose to hate. None of u know a single thing about the Quran beside taking quotes off google & shoving them down peoples throats without making sense of it. BUT I guess we can't expect much from ignorant folks like u huh? Don't take my word 4 it, OPEN YOUR MIND, read the Quran urself & find out.
13LackMajik 2 years ago
Ok, just one question to you, 13LackMajik:
if you google "sceptics annotated quran" and then click on "intollerance" you find a list of about 500 quranic verses, which devalue non-believers or even contain direct hatred against non-believers.
Can't you imagine, that such teachings are the root of many problems of intollerance in muslim communities?
And the hadiths are even worse...
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago 3
Cutting off limbs as punishment, stoning a new mother, torturing until people die a slow death, suppressed freedom of religion, murder, war, rape, death to apostates. I would expect much better than someone who was supposedly guided by the creator of the universe. Instead, mohammed has proven that he was guided by an evil force.
HIS SOLUTIONS WERE NOT AWE INSPIRING! His solutions were VIOLENCE and DEATH!
How can you possibly follow such an evil ideology?
kirkyup 2 years ago
Because many of them feel comfortable with it, they are the same scumb their pederastian, revengful, violent, torturer, montser-prophet was. Others just are good people who have never questioned what they were given as absolute truth, they can't desdain the Quran, but they try to "forget" the evilness they read; they follow their leaders and tradition as cattle. Others justify it in a pathetic, accomplice way. BUt what is for sure is no sane person can read it and follow it to the letter.
asunagullo 2 years ago
Hassan, so you say that Yusuf Islam is peaceful?
Watch how a Yusuf famous singer WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MAN BURNT ALIVE. Watch this
Cat Stevens (YusufIslam)..."
See this (watch?v=tt20WfZMhro) youtube video at around 1:35 and hear Yusuf Islam say he would like to burn a person alive.
kirkyup 2 years ago
So 13lackMajik: you must understand that if I, an "unbeliever" has been able to find all this pieces of hate in just half an hour, there must be much more, actually I found more, but I can't copy the whole book.... The Quram is a hateful book if you take it to the letter. The Old Gospel is also violent but nobody takes it to the letter, nor Jews, nor Christians of course. You shoul admit reality. THIS guy, who doesn't hate Islam, as he says has good videos about this issue, balanced ones.
asunagullo 2 years ago
So my dear, I asked you for IN CONTEXT verses of the Quran that may incite hate or such. However, you provided me with those OUT OF CONTEXT. You must take the whole passage in to account before judging that passage alone.
Also, EVERY single verse speaking of killing the "non-believers" or anything is ONLY IN A DEFENSIVE MANNER. It is not permissible for Muslims to go around killing people. You are allowed to do so, ONLY IN SELF DEFENCE.
I hope that puts it in better light for you. :)
13LackMajik 2 years ago
13LACK, You with your pathetic excuses of OUT OF CONTEXT. It means the same in context , you idiot. You condone TORTURE, and have the audacity to call it self-defense. You think it is ok to apply BARBARISM to another human being, to CUT OFF HANDS AND FEET(that is TORTURE, INHUMANE AND BARBARIC) to gauge eyes out, and to CRUCIFY people.
kirkyup 2 years ago
That is self-defense, you MORON? Get out of here, with your pathetic excuses for TORTURE AND BARBARISM, uncivilized moron! You are justifying sickness, youa re mentally ill.
kirkyup 2 years ago
Bla, bla, bla,.... you are a lier... I knew. Do you want me to copy for you the whole Quram... go and buy one, open it for what ever chapter and if waht you read doesn't disgust you, you have no conscience or moral.All the texts I sent you are in context, in the context of the wars you warlord-illiterate-mad war lord-prophet created. SO WHAT HE DID WITH A WHOLE JEW TRIBE WAS IN SELF DEFENCE??? go and try to fool some illiterates, you will find many of them in your desert, but I know how to read.
asunagullo 2 years ago
Wow. Here I am trying to "mend ways" & explain the other side of the coin with a respectable debate, & you guys of course, as always, show your true color by ignoring the other side & cussing. Yes, that makes your argument very authentic.. IT IS YOUR countries (Israel, USA, Britain, etc) that are torturing detainees, disrespecting their way of life, stealing resources in the name of democracy & you guys call me barbaric? Haha. I thought I was debating with some1 "civilized". Guess not, pathetic.
13LackMajik 2 years ago
Muslims must fight this war, if another group tries, it will only fuel the violent ideology.
I think Islam is just as silly as Christianity, or any other religion, but hey, as long as you don't try to kill me.
mtlsoul 2 years ago
The peaceful silent majority of muslims, have been made totally irrelevant by their silence. Was the majority of the Germans before WOII not peaceful? Yet their sympathy for the nazi's let it all happen. Chinas huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. It is the muslim fanatics at this point in history that rule islam. We must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.
sintia1985 2 years ago 4
You are absolutely right.Islam means fear: wives fear their husbands,sons their parents, all fear God.A society based on fear is an ill society, easy to manipulate.Germans didn't do anything because they feared Nazis,so they didn't want to see it in order to justify their lack of response.Disidents in Muslim countries take a real risk over their lives if they challenge the main stream; here they are simply cowards as Germans were.MODERATE ISLAM must stand up here,where they will not be killed.
asunagullo 2 years ago 2
2/2 The British established media and the political leaders are cowering... hamstrung under a fascist "racism card", and unwilling to upset the "Muslim vote"- no matter how wrong these Muslim bigots are the Government appease these aggressive Muslim bigots on every turn. Ordinary folk are not stupid; they can see what the Government doesnt want to admit. People see that this Islam threatens western life.
MewHamHead 2 years ago 3
1/2 You miss an important point. Although we will always have bigots, the anti- Islam response on the internet (and maybe one or two newspapers) is directed more to the ineffective and dishonest British Government who refuse to deal with violent hateful Muslims when Muslims spew unacceptable threats and hate and act aggresive, violently protesting, wanting to impose their way through sedition or threats.
The internet is now the only major outlet for people to critque Islam.
MewHamHead 2 years ago
Whoever Allah guides, none can mis-guide and whoever Allah leaves astray, none can guide.
A Muslim is one who submits to the will of God. Accepts the 5 pillars of Islam and the 6 articles of faith is a Muslim. This is what all Muslims should believe.
The Jews and the Christians will never be happy with you until you follow their way.
Allah challenges mankind and jinn to create one chapter like the Quran (shortest chapter is 3 lines long (chapter 108)). None have succeeded! Allah akhbar!
deanmercury 2 years ago
"Whoever Allah guides, none can mis-guide and whoever Allah leaves astray, none can guide."
- You obviously don't understand the full ramifications of this statement. This statement says Allah made some people so they would never follow islam (Allah leaves astray), just so allah can send them to hell and have them tortured forever. These people who "Allah leaves astray" never had a chance. You understand how screwed up that is. This is a statement of pure hate.
tomtomttom 2 years ago
The only thing we, Christians want from Muslims is stop killing us & threatening us. BTW forget about that freaky idea: "Islam will rule the world" If you want to life in OUR countries you must obbey OUR laws & pledge allegiance to our values. If not, if you praise discrimination for women or homosexuals, if you prosecute apostats or you try to impose on us your culte by any violent mean, you must LEAVE our countries. Easy: either you accept the rules of the game, or you can't play.
asunagullo 2 years ago
I'm sure you know that Spain was under Muslim rule for nearly 1000 years & NO non-Muslims were killed, prosecuted but were in fact given the right to practice their religion, choose their occupation etc. HOWEVER, as soon as the Muslim empire fell, the first thing that happened was tht Muslims were killed, tortured, disgraced & many forced to convert because they were seen as a "threat".
All of sudden Muslims are so bad? And Islam does NOT discriminate against women nor does it condone violence.
13LackMajik 2 years ago
You are kidding me. YOU came here & impposed us your not whished presence by the sword. You enslaved women and sold them as sexual slaves not only in Spain but all along Africa. Native Jews and Christians had to pay special taxes, were not allowed to develope most of important jobs and they all lived as 2nd class citizens. We expelled you because we hated your domain over us. Muslims stayed here after the defeat of the last Nazarí king, in 1492 and they were not expelled until 1612
asunagullo 2 years ago
The main reason for it was they didn't pledge allegiance to our laws,they supported and even helped the Turquish pirates who were constantly attacking the East of Spain shore (and had attacked also Greeck) Any way Moriscos were allowed to take money,jewls, sell theirr properties and you were given 2 years to leave.PLEASE do not try to fool me!! . Islam is the most wicked way of discrimination against women:the one who claimes it is based on God's words. Discrimination made civil & religous law!
asunagullo 2 years ago
The fact is that non-Muslims were treated much better compared to those who lived in Europe & such at the time under CHRISTIAN rule. So don't try to pretend that Muslim rulers were the worst and they did so based on religion. As for the taxes, it was nothing new as people were simply continuing from their previous rulers AND the elderly, women, children & disabled were all exempt. As for selling women as sexual slaves & such, give me a source & I'll believe you.
13LackMajik 2 years ago
You are lying. THERE WAS A SPECIAL NEW !!!! TAX for "unbelievers", You came to our country, which was heavily romanised (even we gave Rome some emperors), had a language latin, which wasn't Arabic of course, a religion (Catholicism), a culture, you came here and impposed yours. If you want to know about the slaves, the harems, etc... you just have to read any spanish book of the time, they are written in Latin, and also in the popular language old spanish. It was "vox populi".
asunagullo 2 years ago
2nd: NO Muslim leaved in Europe under Christian rule, onces we expelled you, so you can't compare it. We were clever enough to get rid of you. You were the invasors and you got your "Achiles heel" in Spain.
asunagullo 2 years ago
To end with: THE NIGHTMARE MUSLIM DOMINATION MEANT LASTED FROM 711 TO 1492: That is not 1000 years, THANK GOD!!!!
Actually reconquer war started in the same moment you arrived and in the 1200's you were already weak and had lost 90% of the territory.
All religions have forced others to convert despite all religions clalim it is not allowed, people convert when they see risk on their lives or in a way to achieve a better life (beeing together with the powerfull) YOU also did it and still do it
asunagullo 2 years ago
All religions have forced others to convert & such? (your words) ...So why is Islam the "worst" religion in your mind?
And NO, I didn't convert. BTW, religion, especially Islam, does not teach to hate, kill & such. Its humans who have for their own sakes (wealth, power, fame) have used & continue to use Islam to enforce their views upon others. Islam does not allow or condone such things. SO, in short, you are misinformed about Islam & need to learn to differ between terrorists & Islam.
13LackMajik 2 years ago
13LAckMajik; Don't you know in English the word "you" can be singular (as you, 13lack) or plural, as you (Muslims)??? WELL, I meant you, Muslims also converted to Christianity in a way of integrating in those times. WELL, please DO NOT explain me Islam doesn't equal terrorism, EXPLAIN IT TO YOUR MUSLIM FELLOW TERRORIST.. they seem to be quite misinformed ALSO about what Islam is. STOP giving us lessons!! start with your own people, please! and read ALL your holly book it has terrible suras!
asunagullo 2 years ago
I agree with you that there are definitely Muslims ( I don't like to call them Muslims cuz they dont really follow the TRUE Islam, but I understand that's how the world knows them) who are extreme & use the wrong methods to get their message across (violence etc). BUT theres extremists & fundamentals in every religion. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism all have them, so to isolate Islam as the only religion with fundamentalists is wrong. You must look at the reasons for their violent outbursts tho
13LackMajik 2 years ago
what is the TRUE Islam 13LackMajik? Can you explain what it is and why so many Muslims misinterpret it? The Quran states that it's made easy to understand and with no doubt in it (Q11:1, Q41:3, Q41:44, Q54:17, Q54:22, Q54:32, Q54:40 and in many other places) so no one is allowed to divert it's literal meaning.
peterpedant 2 years ago
People forget that before 9/11 Islam was never a problem. A few years of gov't propaganda has blinded too many people.
Get out of Gaza!
Get out of West Bank!
Stop war in Chechenya!
Get out of Afghanistan!
Get out of Iraq!
Stop inciting Zionism against Muslims!
Take your nose out of the places it doesn't belong. And see, how fast you see "extremism" disappear.
13LackMajik 2 years ago
why stop there 13LackMajik? fight the people till they say: "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah." Whoever says this will save his property and his life from me.'" Bukhari:V9B84N59 / Qur'an 9.88
If every kufar does this, see, how fast you see "extremism" disappear!
peterpedant 2 years ago
Obviously you didn't really even care to understand what I said. My point was, when you have created so many problems against a group of people, barely ever sided with them on any issue (eg. US never ever sides with Palestine regardless if they are right or wrong. & don't tell me they are NEVER "right"). All this creates hatred between Muslims & the West. Why fight the extremism thru combat? These are root causes/problems, solve those, you've solved extremism. Give no1 the reason to pickup arms.
13LackMajik 2 years ago
Camp David 2000? When Palies prove to the rest of the World they are willing to live in peace alongside the Jews, just as they did before Muhammad ethnically cleansed them from the Arabian peninsula, and withdraw their support from terrorist orgs like Hamas who call for the murder of ALL Jews WORLDWIDE, then they will have even my support. Until then, they will remain the scourge of the middle east and can stew in their own juice.
peterpedant 2 years ago
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asunagullo 2 years ago
I don't clap when I read your comments because you wouldn't hear me, but you have expressed the truth in a perfect, easy way.. even a Muslim should be able to understand you.
asunagullo 2 years ago
thanks asunagullo, It would be nice if they could but I think the problem is that most Muslims are completely ignorant of the fact that Islam's intolerant and divisive message of hate pre dates any modern existing governments, and their foreign policies. We can but live in hope though? :)
peterpedant 2 years ago
@13LackMajik
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims fight against the Jews & the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree & a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, Oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews. Sahih Muslim B41,N6985:
This was recorded before the state of Israel existed. Explain please?
peterpedant 2 years ago
When has there not been a sense of conflict between Muslims & Jews? It's been there for over 1400 years and continues to exist unfortunately. As for quoting Muslim texts, I suggest you quote one and one book only, the Quran as it is not written by people as the hadith. I promise you if you can find a single contradiction or hateful or inciting comment against any people or religion in the Quran, I myself would give up Islam.
Also I strongly suggest & urge you to check out: Dr. Zakir Naik.
13LackMajik 2 years ago
exactly my point so stop trying to delude others with excuses that its because of Zionism or the state of Israel. As for the texts, you should be aware that Islamic law is based on the rules of the Quran and the sunnah, the perfect example of Muhammad, recorded in the hadiths, traditions. All Muslims are ordered to follow Muhammads perfect example Q33:21 Q60:04 Q60:06 in thought, word and deed. How are you going to do that if you reject the ahadith? oh and explain Q9.29 & Q5.33 for me?
peterpedant 2 years ago
Mohammed at the beginig liked Jews and Christians because we are also monotheists. (people of the book) He thought we ALL would convert to his new faith quickly. As you may imagine the debate between an illiterate camel dealer &d a rabino who had been studying the Torah for years is as if I challenge Einstein about physics... NO one converted, to what they though was the outburst of a lunatic. Both Jews & Christians rejected him, but I guess Jews laughed lowder, since that moment he hated us.
asunagullo 2 years ago
Actually quite a large number of people in fact converted to Islam but OBVIOUSLY most people would reject Islam at first (1400 years ago) cuz it was something new in medieval times when blasphemy was punishable by death. Beliv me Muhammad (PBUH) did not hate any1 based on religion, thats a fact.
13LackMajik 2 years ago
"They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper." Quran 4.89
BTW; the ones you are supposed to kill is US, so you may understand I find this a BIT disturbing!!!
asunagullo 2 years ago
"When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." Quran 8.12
"And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do." Quran 8.39
NOW I AM BORED OF COPYING HATRED SURAS. YOU SHOULD READ YOUR HOOLY BOOK ! That "peaceful" book.:)
asunagullo 2 years ago
OK, If you give up Quran if I find a single incitement to hate.. you can start preparing your self for being apostat... so start hiding, some other "good believer" may think he has to fulfill Allah's commandment by killing you!!!!
asunagullo 2 years ago
AND like I said, if you present me with a single verse (in context) from the Quran that incites hatred towards anyone, condones killing or such, I myself would leave Islam. BUT you must prove me wrong (which I know you cant cuz there isnt a single surah which promotes such things).
13LackMajik 2 years ago
Ok, here I go:
"Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming." Quran 3.28
asunagullo 2 years ago
3-28: Remain on your guard, evil company can easily corrupt faith, therefore it is forbidden; instead we must strengthen our brotherhood (sisterhood)
What I understand from that is that Muslims should strengthen their relations with other Muslims and stay away from those who may have an evil influence.
Did your parents not ever tell you as a kid to stay away from some kids/friends cuz they were not good/didnt study/not obedient Etc ? Does that mean they "hated" those kids? NO.
13LackMajik 2 years ago
More about the religion of peace:
"And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers." Quran 2.191
asunagullo 2 years ago
2:191: "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them ..."
It says, fight those WHO FIGHT YOU. In other words, in self defense. So if a Muslim community were attacked, then it is permissible to defend by killing or whatever is necessary.
If you read from 2:190 to 193, you would better understand it IN CONTEXT.
(I asked for IN CONTEXT citations, but you've done otherwise. Like many people do)
13LackMajik 2 years ago
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"Abasement is made to cleave to them wherever they are found, except under a covenant with Allah and a covenant with men, and they have become deserving of wrath from Allah, and humiliation is made to cleave to them; this is because they disbelieved in the communications of Allah and slew the prophets unjustly; this is because they disobeyed and exceeded the limits." Quran 3.112
asunagullo 2 years ago
3:112: Shame is pitched over them (Like a tent) wherever they are found, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allah and from men; they draw on themselves wrath from Allah, and pitched over them is (the tent of) destitution. This because they rejected the Signs of Allah, and slew the prophets in defiance of right; this because they rebelled and transgressed beyond bounds.
The bible also speaks of this fact of Jews killing Prophets 1 Thessalonians 2:15, and repeated in Acts 7:52
13LackMajik 2 years ago
MORE.
"And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain, and you hope from Allah what they do not hope; and Allah is Knowing, Wise." Quran 4.104
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"And how many a town that We destroyed, so Our punishment came to it by night or while they slept at midday." Quran 7.4
asunagullo 2 years ago
I don't understand you
islam is the islam of mohamed!
& what islam is mohamed's? The peacefull of the hundreds of millions of gentle Muslims or the islam of the terrorists? Did he beheaded, tortured etc yes or no?
Muslims cannot do the same than the Xtians (i.e. better their religion) coz while Jesus was mostly a good man, moh was mostly a criminal
I am sorry but am I telling some untruth? Dearest Hassan, I think you're still in denial, I think if you want to heal, you need to stop
viewingVideos2 2 years ago
Thumbs up!
TGWTube 2 years ago
Yup, Islam is easily interpreted as a crackpot ideology thats for sure. People who stone people to death in the monotheistic sense are IMO mentally ill. However, economics is the root of the problem. For example, Saudi Arabia, why is every western country its ally? Its never in the news or even talked about and it is financiang Islam all over the world. Its money folks, and corrupt politicians. Religion is simply being used as it always has. A device to mold the populace.
sashajw1234 2 years ago
I do see your point, but I have to disagree with you by saying that believing in islam as being a violent religion doesn't make on anti-Muslim. You can negatively view the religion, but don't have to view the majority of people in that way. I bet there are ex-Muslims like us who see islam as being violent, but don't hate the majority of Muslims.
YeshuaIsMyLord 2 years ago
Why do all these guys have boards written with the same handwriting
HotWoods 2 years ago
so as there are many variations and interpretations of Islam.....does that make Islam itself a contradition? ie it allows one group of people to interpretate is peacfully yet it also give opportunity for another group to interpretate is with violence??
forzaitalia2 2 years ago
human beings are born good.. religions - all religions make them believe things that are utterly rediculous and that have no connection with reality - as a consequence some become violent... surely not all - because some survive the brainwash, but many don't..
You will never see a deist\agnostic\atheistic man slaughtering people in the name of his non-faith - 2 force no-faith on people
ilq00477 2 years ago
I also find it bothering when original texts are changed... no matter the religion involved.
Take it as its written... and know when metaphors and illustrations are used.
Nehemius 2 years ago
It would be grave and dangerous because it gives justification to violent nationalists and racists to use violence against Muslims - like the Russian gang in my video, who beheaded two Muslim immigrants.
discussislam 2 years ago
Muslims are people - first -
As humans we are all equal - but Islam itself cannot be separated - from the Koran, Muhammed and teachings
To label everyone - who is a critic of Islam - as a bigot or on the far-right is the same as labelling every Muslim as violent -
Must are critical of the things Islam does - and it is Muslims who - react only to maintain Islam's image - rather than to rail against the injustices under Islam -
Apostates are killed - women stoned - children married - etc.
TwoEyesX 2 years ago
Where did I say that everyone who is a critic of Islam is a bigot?
Haven't you seen my other videos crticising Islam?
Think before you speak, please.
discussislam 2 years ago
discussislam you did say that, you keep on asserting that anyone who raises a brow about Islam is a bigot. I have seen your comments and I do not understand why you keep on defending Islam. All religions are false, but Islam is more than a religion. It has political components. Its teachings are vile and you should know better. It does not matter that you fail to see what Islam really teaches and make up excuses that "there are many types of Islam".
CrushISLAM 2 years ago
Wake up , Islam is a threat to world peace. It must be crushed. Now you will call me a bigot for stating this. Get a clue!
CrushISLAM 2 years ago
@Crush: hm, in my oinion it is not only a pity, but also dangerous that you do not perceive the diversity of the Islamic culture and history, which is actually demonstrated quite well in this video and many others. By solely perceiving Islam as danger, you seriously risk of radicalising many people on this world, who peacefully believe in their religion. And that is surely not what we all wish.
HannesBauer 2 years ago
in the picture at 2:38, notice that every sign is written with the same style and that you cant se the faces on the person who has the sign
Ensaf91 2 years ago
Yes! You are correct!
It must be a Zionist conspiracy.
dhimmiwit 2 years ago
do you notice we are not having this argument over Buddhist. you are just another cultural relativist perpetuating the dangers of political correctness. Islam...Political Islam....you weren't a Muslim for long were you. they are one and the same.
lyntonio 2 years ago 2
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lyntonio 2 years ago
Extreme bigots?????? you propose such a stupid argument. Islam is open to all interpretations, you want blood, ill find blood you want poetry i'll find poetry. 2:50 says it all, no its just a little easier to find extreme aliments in Islam, that's why i have nothing to do with it anymore, I am not a bigot, if anything brings out bigots its spiritual bigotry.
lyntonio 2 years ago
3RD: The DIFFERENCE between the violent people and killers who kill immigrants, or people from any other religion in West and Muslims terrorists is the following: Those people in West face jail, social isolation and despise, nobosy says they are following owr laws or religion, while terrorists are given prices, encouraged, treated as heroes, and converted in sacred people. The difference is WE despise and prosecute killers, not that we don't have killers, but that we fight them.
asunagullo 2 years ago
2nd: Faith comes not from body but from soul, therefore that who wants to bring someother to faith needs to debate well & have a right reasoning,not to get to violence or weapons, to convince a reasonable soul no muscles or weapons are needed"...I'M SORRY BUT THAT HAPPENS NOWADAYS IN ISLAM, & in the same way Inquisition was against God's law and didn't stop Protestants or Jews, Muslims will not "convince" us with bombs, behadings, etc..now, show me any other faith which tries to do this NOWADAYS
asunagullo 2 years ago
1st:You are again twisting what the Pope said, He was reading about an old debate between the Bizantine Emperor and a cultured persian about Christianity and Islam, hat was a few years before the Bizantine Empire was conquered and destroyed by Muslims. They had been threatening it for years, Islam was spreading by sword not with a kind, beatific smile or high-leveel debates. The Pope told the story and said: "God is not pleased with blood, actying against reason is against God's nature.
asunagullo 2 years ago
3rd: We can help, support and hope you win, but this is your fight. We have another responsability: keeping an eye on this revolution, and beeing prepared for fighting if moderates loose this struggle. That is war, and war is never a nice future, but we can't fool ourselves, if radicals take the control we will have 3rd world war, and we must win, for the sake of humankind. The ones who will pay a higher price if this happens, unfortunatelly are moderate Muslims as no-nazi Germans did
asunagullo 2 years ago
2nd: These oppresive societies are based on fear and the support of a great number of people who have been brainwashed since they are born. It is exactly what HItler did, and you react in the same the way German society reacted to it: doing nothing. The few brave people who oppose it, and want a honest change are prosecuted by radicals who have the power. That is why WE do not hear your voice. But the responsability of this revolution is yours. Change must happen from inside.
asunagullo 2 years ago
You are beeing demagogic. What westerns say is there is a violent, fascist, racist,misogynist ideology based in Islam & this can't be denied. Just have a look at Muslim world. This doesn't mean all Muslims are that way, but many of them. Not only terrorists but the leaders, members of goverment, police, journalists, teachers, etc.. of all the countries which base their laws on Sharia (which is based in Quran) and deny human rights. They are neccesary accomplices.
asunagullo 2 years ago
you are great, keep it up brother
MementoExpose 2 years ago
If we had a few nuts killing all muslims the muslims would want us to stop the nut jobs.
The cleric in the Fitna movie said non believers should be killed down to the last one.
So if good muslims don't stop this, we will have no choice but to kill them down to the last one.
You good peace loving muslims better get going and stop this.
You say it's only a few radical muslims right not all.
Most muslims love peace right, so they should prove it and stop osama and the few radicals..
NOW...!!!
VICTIMofLUST 2 years ago
VictimofLust: If you are against radicals, you should first stop being so radical yourself.
UnsichtbarerGeist 2 years ago 3
UnsichtbarerGeist
I said nothing radical.
I said f we had a few nuts killing all muslims the muslims would want us to stop the nut jobs.
And they would say stop them or we will think it's all americans.
So now the shoe is on the other foot so to speak.
If good muslims want us to beleave it's only a few radicals and that most of the 1.2 billion muslums are peaseful then they better stop their radicals or we will think it's all muslims. muslims have 3 times the people we do so should be easy
VICTIMofLUST 2 years ago
At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war
dreamdestinations 2 years ago
sir, I agree that not every muslem is a fanatic, but islam IS a fanatic religion.
Mr0bombastic 2 years ago
I think u are good person, but your theory is not applicable because the ones u call moderate muslims do support and like the things done by extremists for eg. no moderate muslim has done something to stop the stonning of a 13 yo child in summalia, they just watch
and they think such things are to be forgoton and the real priorities is islamization of the world
eugie7 2 years ago 3
On taqiyyah, I suggest you revisit not only your former canonical scriptures, but also the link to an article at Arabic wikipedia on التقية
Another link to a book can be found by typing the same Arabic word into google (1st result)and this link provides a comprehensive analysis of the texts and justifications for 'dissimulation' amongst every Muslim sect.
saba7saba7saba7 2 years ago
Quite frankly, I wouldn't support your cultural Marxist campaign of One Law for All under pain of death. Your position reeks of authoritarianism and is quite antithetical to the majority of fair-minded Britons. (tbc)
saba7saba7saba7 2 years ago
@ saba7saba7saba7
You said:
"your cultural Marxist campaign of One Law for All under pain of death."
I'm not sure what you mean by this - could you explain?
I am not a Marxist and the Council's one-law-for-all campaign is aimed at preventing religious laws like Shari'ah being imposed on small sections of the population in the UK.
So I'm not sure what you are trying to say here?
discussislam 2 years ago
And of course no one is saying "Pain of Death" where do you get all this from?
discussislam 2 years ago
btw I posted a thread about this on the councilofexmuslims dot kom forum to see if anyone knows what you are talking about.
discussislam 2 years ago
Good for you.
I trust your campaign is sincere, but my reservations are threefold:
You say that "all religious laws are arbitrary and discriminatory against women and children." which is wildly inaccurate.
Your campaign, as evidenced by the founder's espousal of communism, suggests a broader anti-religious agenda that is quite antithetical to traditional British liberal thought. (tbc)
saba7saba7saba7 2 years ago
'Under pain of death' is a figure of speech; similar to 'come what may' or 'if I were the last person on earth'. I used it in hyperbolic fashion here to highlight my absolute rejection of your campaign. Sorry.
saba7saba7saba7 2 years ago
I also think theres a misunderst. here about two concepts: equality before the law and rule of law. When she demands equality, what Maryam actually mean? Literal equal.? If she means, as Im sure she does, that there must be adequate protection of univ. human rights, then I concur. If she means that there are no natural inequalities then I would vigourously disagree: does a British citizen have the same rights as non-citizens? Criminals and the innocent? This needs some clarification.
saba7saba7saba7 2 years ago
Several of those behind the scenes, including the principal ideologue, are members of the Iranian Communist Party.
One Law for All seeks to tar all religious tribunals and contracts with the same brush: clearly Shari'ah is the problem not the Bettae Din et al.
If you're not a Marxist then I apologise, but several of those behind the campaign are.
saba7saba7saba7 2 years ago
To my knowledge, and it is borne out by the so small as to be insignificant number of marriages each year in the UK between a non-Muslim man and a Muslim woman, 99.9% of Muslims would object to their daughters, sisters and female relatives from marrying a non-Muslim...in many cases a honour crime is called for to expunge the 'guilt' felt by the 'tainted' family. This happens all too often in the UK. (tbc)
saba7saba7saba7 2 years ago
As you are an ex-Muslim, you are no doubt aware of the racism, prejudice and bigotry that obtains...even amongst 'mod.' Muslim families when it comes to who their daughters marry. As I suspect you are part of Maryam Namazie's quite odd middle-class Anglo-Iranian crowd, you are already cut off from reality, but consider this: Hinduism, Sikhism and Ox. Judaism all require marriage to a fellow believer; orthodox Islam also requires marriage to a fellow believer (unless you're a man that is). (tbc)
saba7saba7saba7 2 years ago
You say that the majority of Muslims are 'moderate' or practice a moderate form of Islam. Well, I beg to differ. As an Anglican (and to be honest faith has nothing to do with it) I could have married anyone of any faith or none at all. It makes not the slightest difference to me. In the end, I was lucky enough to meet my lovely Muslim wife at university. (tbc)
saba7saba7saba7 2 years ago
Oh dear, where to begin? You seem to be a fairly decent sort of fellow so I'll try not to insult your intelligence. I'm undecided as to whether you're truly an ex-Muslim or not: your pronounciation of the Arabic letter Qaf shows you are at least familiar with Arabic. (TBC)
saba7saba7saba7 2 years ago
Fundemental Christians are at least, if not more dangerous then radical Islam. Why is that? Because they are part of what makes radicalism breath. think about what you say and how you give it "cause"....
Personelly, I believe it is high time all humanity evolved from religion. It is time for all mankind to respect science and nature, and make the world a better place for our childrens sake. No religion? No War !!! Think about it.
GoneTemple 2 years ago
Hi Hassan, I've been thinking about this video and I disagree with some of it. The part about reinterpret the verses even if it isnt correct. A similar thing happened in India, when sufis came to India. They followed a version of islam that wasnt interpreted correctly. Soon as the literalists muslims challenged the sufi muslims a large number of them converted to a more literal islam. And now you have a large population of muslims that follow some pretty messed up values.
tomtomttom 2 years ago
My point is, if you don't change the actual verses in the quran or remove the controversial verses, there is a good chance people will fall back on the literalist view. Because, technically, they actually are correct. When I say literalists, I don't mean extremists like Osama, who want to kill anyone who isn't muslim, I mean the ones who think it is ok to hit your wife if she doesn't do as you say, or cutting people's hands off, or ect.
tomtomttom 2 years ago
I think that ALL religeon poisons societywith delusional thinking. This thinking paves the way for more delusional thought and rationalizations eventually giving way to endless interpretations based on fantasies. This is the breeding ground for fundamentalism and extreemism.
screaminguitars 2 years ago
How to defeat extreamists ideologically if the koran is full of hate and violence. Didn't the so called prophet spend half his life in wars.
whocares9000 2 years ago
I agree with you to a point. The muslim community at large do appear to be demanding special rights in regards to attempting to limit the free speech of others. I agree that most muslims are not violent extremists, but I also have issues with the apparent amount of respect muslims seem to be demanding while not showing any in return. If I am wrong or out of line, please explain why. I am very open to all information and you certainly have more knowledge on the subject than I do.
jben2north 2 years ago
Search YouTube for "Islam - A Warning From Recent History".
It is very, very hard to believe the negative perception of Islam is just a minority. It seems every month we are given reasons to see Islam negatively, it is going to take more than pictures of smiling Muslims to counter that.
Right now it feels like the moderates are a minority and in protecting them the extremists are allowed to roam free, allot has to change if I am to change my impression that Islam is a dangerous threat.
AnnoyedDragon 2 years ago 2
The moderates pave the road which the extremists walk upon. There is always someone who will push the ideology further than accepted.
Chemicalogic 2 years ago
When i watch your videos i always think of 1 thing! when you was a religious, who did it make sense the religions (qura`an) to you? when you are so logical person now and specially because you became at the age of 20-21 !!!! Amazing..... i thank you sooooooooo much for sharing your deep thoughts and stores with all of us! thank you again.
ZotThithmaKarin 2 years ago
Muslims learn from day 1, that they can't question the teacher nor the teaching.. To change islam into something less violant than it is today, you need to allow the people to make up their own minds, early or later in life... Islam is about obediance to the WORD (Quran) and if you step out of line you'll pay for it... Just as any other brainwashing bullshit there is on this planet... I think its time for "Freedom FROM religion" instead of "Freedom of religion."
bravoaya 2 years ago 3
bravoaya, the world could use a little bit more of freedom from religion, not just freedom of religion.
tomtomttom 2 years ago