Ryan Harvey - The Lesson of John Brown

[death9719]

wage slavery is fiction

[AnarchistOpposition]

@death9719 So is the Holocaust, bro.

[death9719]

@death9719 wage slavery only exists if you can meet one or more of these 3 criteria

1. you can't organize

2. only job around,

3. kept in the job by some means

[AnarchistOpposition]

@death9719 You should read the wikipedia page on wage slavery, because you really don't seem to be understanding what is intended by the term.

[death9719]

@AnarchistOpposition "Wage slavery refers to a situation where a person's livelihood depends on wages, especially when the dependence is total and immediate"

my point stands

[AnarchistOpposition]

@death9719 No. I'm afraid not. If you can organize it is still possible to be dependent on wages. If there are multiple jobs available, you still depend on wages if you have to take one of the jobs. If you are not kept in the job by physical force you can still be in a position to rely on wages. Your point is completely moot.

[death9719]

@AnarchistOpposition

when are you not dependant on wages? in the collective you are dependant on the labor notes you recieve from the collective, the only time your not a wage slave is if your working for your self.

[death9719]

@AnarchistOpposition

at least in capitalism you can choose how your enslaved, collectivly or by the rich

[AnarchistOpposition]

@death9719 Firstly, that is not how all collectives work. Secondly, I don't think you are grasping the concept of wages very well. Yes, in industrial society one, for the most part, must be productive, that is true. However, producing does not imply wages. It is perfectly plausible to manage the product of your own labour instead of it being sent up the capitalist hierarchy.

[death9719]

@AnarchistOpposition how does it work then? that would be mutualism not anarchist communism. and what if you don't want to work for the collective will you force communism on them, if you will your not anarchist, if you won't okay. you can set up a collective i can set of a company we'll see who does better.

[AnarchistOpposition]

@death9719 At this point I heavily suspect that you are trolling. If you are not please go read the article on wikipedia about Communist Anarchism. You are gravely misrepresenting the idea.

[death9719]

@AnarchistOpposition well will you force communism on me yes or no?

and can you just answer the question and instead of calling me a troll to escape it

[AnarchistOpposition]

@death9719 The answer is no. One of the very basic anarchist principles is freedom of organization. That answer should be obvious and would have been if you had read the article that I suggested to you.

[death9719]

@AnarchistOpposition i did and i was an anarcho commie for a while. i do know ancoms who would do that, and ancaps as well

[AnarchistOpposition]

@death9719 So because some people who put themselves under a label are internally inconsistent it somehow debunks the idea that the label represents even when those inconsistencies are absent in the idea itself due to the additive nature of the inconsistencies? Makes sense to me.

[death9719]

@AnarchistOpposition no i am just saying that anarcho communism hates private property and hierarchy that they seem more likely to enforce there will than anarcho caps who don't want to change the system beyond the removal of the state.

[jacobvardy]

Never loose hope,

though it ended with a rope

it started with a dream

[organdva]

Keep em coming!

[AnarchistOpposition]

Haha, actually, I probably won't be posting as many songs once I get my PC back from the police (they are looking for evidence). Im mostly doing this cuz I dont have any of my other software, only WMM. Kinda sucks, but I need to keep my channel alive by posting songs XD

[AnomicDeadDisciple]

@AnarchistOpposition Land of the Free, right? Wait till those F.O.P. boys finally figure out this country is being sold down the sludge-filled river & soon they won't have a job anymore...unless of course they want to learn Chinese or Ukranian...Solidarity forever brother...