Hobie pedal boats seem to use a reciprocating drive, which is an approach that was tried many, many times during the development of bicycles, and always found inferior to circular pedaling.
Hands free kayaking is the way to go. I have a Hobie Revo and it can get good speed especially with the sail. This Native looks like it can go a little faster than a Hobie Mirage drive with little effort. I guess it depends on what you are on the water for. Cruising around and sight seeing in this Native would seem more ideal but for hands free fishing Hobie is the way to go!
The shop I wirk at carries both Native and Hobie... We have trouble keeping Hobie's Mirage Drive boats in stock, but most of our clients are looking for offshore capability. Most of the boats Native designed with the Propel system seem better suited to flatwater environments
Nice job of getting around the Hobie patent, but I prefer my Mirage. OK, so I don't have reverse. No biggie. You would be paddling this thing in shallow water. Six of one, half-dozen of the other. At least I can still use my foot scallops with the Mirage drive in.
i'm sold, i deffinetly want one, not just any one, but that one, just out of curiosity, i wonder what would happen if you put a motor in the slot? it would be funny as hell to watch, that's for sure.
That's pretty amazing. That thing sure hauls ass considering he was peddling at a slow pace. I sure wouldn't mind having one of them. A very well put together little craft.
Yes it is faster than paddling. You still need a paddle for the times when you want to move laterally or do some other small movement. But for getting from Point A to Point B, for me, there's no question that it is faster than paddling.
This was shot behind Rutabaga in Madison, WI. This was Rutabaga's demo boat, which at the time, was all we had access to, as NW had not yet released their production boats.
Short cranks are for short legs. If those are the legs you've got, then short cranks are the way to go.
Short cranks and crazy wide gearing are also used to compensate for the ergonomic problems of recumbent bicycles and their inabilities in hilly terrain. Since this is a watercraft, there are no hills. There is only one gear ratio. The only thing that would make short cranks better than rider-proportional cranks would be if the gear ratio (prop pitch or rpm) were too low.
I have a Hobie Revolution and i love it while watching this video the Native really lacks in the fishing area A LOT 1The boat doesnt have any stock rod holders 2 there is no under storage for your stuff that shouldnt get wet 3 it doesnt look as stable i can hang my feet over my kayak in the water while im drifting across a spot 4th where are the scuppers thats right there are non what are you going to do when a big boats wake hits you and comes over the bow all i know is my boat will drain nice
It's all good. Hobie certainly does their niche well, much like I think Native Watercraft boats do their own niche well. My first boat was a canoe, so I see the NW Ultimate as a canoe and love it for that. I also happen to like standing and poling a boat, for which an Ultimate is designed. Standing also makes sight fishing much more effective. Dry bags can keep things dry and for me offer more options than built-in storage. If bow waves are a concern, I add a front skirt to the boat.
I'll tell you this much. I've been looking into the Hobie Mirage-powered boats but this thing looks much quicker. At the very least, it looks a lot more efficient in terms of how much distance you get from each pedal push. For those of us who are looking more for a cruiser than a fishing kayak, this definitely looks to be the way to go.
@capp244 You are comparing apples to oranges. This boat has rod holders available too they just aren't on this one. You did pay extra for them on your Hobie. Also your Hobie is a Sit On Top, this boat isn't. That's why you can hang your legs off the side,, doesn't have anytbing to do with stability, its just that you are sitting on top of your boat, not down in it. The Native Propel looks more stable to me. Can you stand up and fish in yours? Apples and oranges.
It's all good! Sitting in any boat on any water is WAAAY better than sitting in front a computer typing and listening to the winter wind rattle the windows of my office like I am now...
I own a Hobie Mirage so I know all about those. There are some positives and negative about both.The going backwards option of the Native is ok...Like the rudder system seems to be smoother up and down...I've heard the Prop can get clogged with grasses in shallow marshy areas. Even though the mirage extends 16 inches down you can still travel under power thru about 6 inches of water by half pumping the pedals... native seems to be limited in real shallow water....just wonder about speed of both
Native Watercraft released this kayak model mid-August 2008. Most paddlesports shops should at least have demo models in stock now, and should soon have boats available for purchase, if not already.
I'm from Hawaii and never seen anything like this here. Seriously where can I buy one?
jefter7676 3 months ago
@jefter7676 have GoBananas or Sports Authority bring them in
jesse10x 7 hours ago
I bought the 14.5 two years ago. Money couldn't buy it if I knew that I couldn't get another one.
sitycent 4 months ago
with version do you got?
quintin636 4 months ago
If only it were on fishing kayak
peplo6 4 months ago
What is with the Hobie trolls? Hobie is a recreational tourist boat, this is a well-thought-out and executed design.
z1nyc 5 months ago
How much does one of these cost? And where can I buy one?
jefter7676 6 months ago
I'd give you $10 for that!
PavePaws 7 months ago
very nice craft. Now it is very nice to add the hydrofoils like this
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jwserge 7 months ago
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It seems the only way to get a two person pedal kayak is to get a Hobie. Too bad since I like the prop drive idea a little better.
elscottosg 7 months ago
It seems the only way to get a two person pedal kayak is to get a Hobie. Too bad since I like the prop drive idea a little better.
elscottosg 7 months ago
WHERE CAN I BUY THESE?
SuperWhiteboy09 7 months ago
hobie is beter
wastedazhell 7 months ago
@wastedazhell
@ drreeder2000
Hobie pedal boats seem to use a reciprocating drive, which is an approach that was tried many, many times during the development of bicycles, and always found inferior to circular pedaling.
chumpychumpychump 7 months ago
seems mor like a conoe to me
themegajosh09 7 months ago
Hands free kayaking is the way to go. I have a Hobie Revo and it can get good speed especially with the sail. This Native looks like it can go a little faster than a Hobie Mirage drive with little effort. I guess it depends on what you are on the water for. Cruising around and sight seeing in this Native would seem more ideal but for hands free fishing Hobie is the way to go!
03hobie 8 months ago
Awesome concept! Nice demo!
ScoutCrafter 8 months ago
wear do i buy i want one now lol,
RyanMMTv 10 months ago
I'm 6'4" and weigh 235. Will this fit me?
redwooddave 11 months ago
hey can some1 tell me where i can buy them/order them and how much they r. and wat store u would b able 2 buy em
xXmW2KilLeRXxFoShO 1 year ago
I want one!!!!
ninja007733 1 year ago
The shop I wirk at carries both Native and Hobie... We have trouble keeping Hobie's Mirage Drive boats in stock, but most of our clients are looking for offshore capability. Most of the boats Native designed with the Propel system seem better suited to flatwater environments
niemigasm101 1 year ago
Fantastic.
I never understood why most human-powered boats make you to use your arms, when legs are stronger.
lemmehaveone 1 year ago
Way to cool. som'm like this on a trailer and a trike , with all your gear in the boat. You could cover land an sea ...
butkatrello 1 year ago
How does this boat behave in open sea?
NaveganteBOG 1 year ago
@NaveganteBOG
srehring 1 year ago
Is this great exercise? As in sweating a lot? Looking to buy a kayak that requires a lot of pedaling for cardio.
scrillah81 1 year ago
Where do I get one of these????
scrillah81 1 year ago
i wanna see someone peddle as fast as they can
orangechicken210 1 year ago
well done!
how much does it coast?
felixpianoo 1 year ago
Seems like you would get a sore back in no time with that seating position and legs relatively high in the air. Is this the case?
mishmosh2000 1 year ago
Nice job of getting around the Hobie patent, but I prefer my Mirage. OK, so I don't have reverse. No biggie. You would be paddling this thing in shallow water. Six of one, half-dozen of the other. At least I can still use my foot scallops with the Mirage drive in.
dregsfan 1 year ago
gear it up to as fast as possible XD
benpie12 1 year ago
Oh man I gotta get one.
jitskid831 1 year ago
that would be kickass for fishing
sniperbait171 1 year ago
lazy man...study more...u cam bake that go 25mph or more...study more..don`t be lazi
caralaues 1 year ago
@caralaues lazy man...study more...learn to spell
mrlizzard94 1 year ago
i'm sold, i deffinetly want one, not just any one, but that one, just out of curiosity, i wonder what would happen if you put a motor in the slot? it would be funny as hell to watch, that's for sure.
JoshWhitaker87 2 years ago
@JoshWhitaker87 Chech out the Native Ultimate Volt which has a trolling motor in the slot
Gabed63 2 years ago
Can you buy just the peddle/prop rig? I'd like to build it into an existing wooden kayak.
pyronaught 2 years ago
That's pretty amazing. That thing sure hauls ass considering he was peddling at a slow pace. I sure wouldn't mind having one of them. A very well put together little craft.
unhooked25 2 years ago
is there one than can seat two persons like the hobie outfitter??? i'd rather have the propel drive instead of the mirage drive ?????
andyweath 2 years ago
@andyweath
i got a hobie outback, the mirage drive is really good, but this is very interesting too, i recon the hobie will go faster though.
i was thinking, could you put like a stainless steel small boat prop on it? it will fly i recon!
hudfadz 2 years ago
how much ?
Gooooblin 2 years ago
Google it.Native Watercraft Ultimate 12 Propel Kayak .2,000. I loved it.Will buy one.
halfmumi 2 years ago
Is it faster than paddling?
Nu13th 2 years ago
Yes it is faster than paddling. You still need a paddle for the times when you want to move laterally or do some other small movement. But for getting from Point A to Point B, for me, there's no question that it is faster than paddling.
QuietwaterFilms 2 years ago
@QuietwaterFilms can u pedal and paddle?
benpie12 1 year ago
This was shot behind Rutabaga in Madison, WI. This was Rutabaga's demo boat, which at the time, was all we had access to, as NW had not yet released their production boats.
QuietwaterFilms 2 years ago
where did you shoot this vid?
23rakshasa23 2 years ago
put smaller crank arms on it. it will make it go faster and you will feel more comfortable
Tojizuka 2 years ago
@Tojizuka
Short cranks are for short legs. If those are the legs you've got, then short cranks are the way to go.
Short cranks and crazy wide gearing are also used to compensate for the ergonomic problems of recumbent bicycles and their inabilities in hilly terrain. Since this is a watercraft, there are no hills. There is only one gear ratio. The only thing that would make short cranks better than rider-proportional cranks would be if the gear ratio (prop pitch or rpm) were too low.
chumpychumpychump 7 months ago
Woiuld make a great lake or big river fishing boat. but nothing i would use for my ocean fishing.
Blueahli 2 years ago
Nice video, and a very cool kayak. I wonder how fast a strong bicyclist can make it go. :)
tahustvedt 2 years ago
I have a Hobie Revolution and i love it while watching this video the Native really lacks in the fishing area A LOT 1The boat doesnt have any stock rod holders 2 there is no under storage for your stuff that shouldnt get wet 3 it doesnt look as stable i can hang my feet over my kayak in the water while im drifting across a spot 4th where are the scuppers thats right there are non what are you going to do when a big boats wake hits you and comes over the bow all i know is my boat will drain nice
capp244 2 years ago
It's all good. Hobie certainly does their niche well, much like I think Native Watercraft boats do their own niche well. My first boat was a canoe, so I see the NW Ultimate as a canoe and love it for that. I also happen to like standing and poling a boat, for which an Ultimate is designed. Standing also makes sight fishing much more effective. Dry bags can keep things dry and for me offer more options than built-in storage. If bow waves are a concern, I add a front skirt to the boat.
QuietwaterFilms 2 years ago
I'll tell you this much. I've been looking into the Hobie Mirage-powered boats but this thing looks much quicker. At the very least, it looks a lot more efficient in terms of how much distance you get from each pedal push. For those of us who are looking more for a cruiser than a fishing kayak, this definitely looks to be the way to go.
DroverChicago 8 months ago
@capp244 You are comparing apples to oranges. This boat has rod holders available too they just aren't on this one. You did pay extra for them on your Hobie. Also your Hobie is a Sit On Top, this boat isn't. That's why you can hang your legs off the side,, doesn't have anytbing to do with stability, its just that you are sitting on top of your boat, not down in it. The Native Propel looks more stable to me. Can you stand up and fish in yours? Apples and oranges.
Autoxdriver 1 year ago
thats actually awesomely fast..amazing , want one.
cemmas 2 years ago
this looks really cool. why even bring paddles when you can go much faster without them? lol
kevv1292 2 years ago
cause its good for kayak fishing, probably makes it easier to troll cause u dont need to put the fishing pole down
quack447 2 years ago
How much was it?
supermondooobercool 2 years ago
i'll stick with hobie
drreeder2000 3 years ago
It's all good! Sitting in any boat on any water is WAAAY better than sitting in front a computer typing and listening to the winter wind rattle the windows of my office like I am now...
Jeff
QuietwaterFilms 3 years ago 6
like to see it go head to head against the Hobie mirage drive.....interesting
hale3333 3 years ago
Depending on where you live, you might be able to find a shop that has demo models of both and try them out. BOATS ARE ALL GOOD!
I think there are 3 things that are different between the two boats:
#1 - NW pedals like a bike. Hobie is back and forth like a hand saw.
#2 - NW boat can go backwards. You just pedal backwards. I believe the Hobie boat cannot go backwards.
#3 - You can lift the NW pedal unit up and store in the front part of the boat. I'm not sure if Hobie pedal unit can be removed.
QuietwaterFilms 3 years ago
I own a Hobie Mirage so I know all about those. There are some positives and negative about both.The going backwards option of the Native is ok...Like the rudder system seems to be smoother up and down...I've heard the Prop can get clogged with grasses in shallow marshy areas. Even though the mirage extends 16 inches down you can still travel under power thru about 6 inches of water by half pumping the pedals... native seems to be limited in real shallow water....just wonder about speed of both
hale3333 3 years ago
Very cool. Looks like you can go pretty fast too.
mishmosh2000 3 years ago 3
Where I can get one pedal like this ?
fabioraw 3 years ago
Native Watercraft released this kayak model mid-August 2008. Most paddlesports shops should at least have demo models in stock now, and should soon have boats available for purchase, if not already.
QuietwaterFilms 3 years ago
Great vid mate! - wonder if they'll be making a pedal tandem model? - good how it goes backwards as well - I got the wife keen to come fishing now!!!
JanosWalter1 3 years ago 2