Most Christians don't understand the scientific arguments supporting creationism. Please read my popular Internet articles: NATURAL LIMITS OF EVOLUTION, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS, HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM, SECOND COMING OF CHRIST MISUNDERSTOOD, CONSERVATIVE THEOLOGIAN NO LONGER BELIEVES ETERNAL TORMENT (Explains why eternal punishment in the Bible does not mean eternal torment).
The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence and power for the origin and order of the universe. Science shows that the universe has no ability to have sustained itself from eternity. Therefore, it requires a beginning. That beginning has to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. Please peruse my science articles under my name: Babu G. Ranganathan.
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible in nature (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). Species couldn't have survived while their vital tissues, organs, biological systems were still evolving. Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
This happened in Plano TX just down the road form me how can I miss something like this. Is there any way to find out when these events are happening so in future I may have a chance to attend
I'm an atheist and i don't particularly reject god, but all of supernatural. If supernatural is one day proven it will than become natural. Until then, it is only speculation. When somebody takes his own speculation seriously without any evidence and tries to convince me, then it don't matter if they are religious or not. I value critical thinking over atheism. (only all critical thinker are either agnostic or atheist) While one can argue about god existence, religiosity itself is brainless.
If murder is only wrong because God declared it so, that means that before He made such a declaration, it wasn't. If that's the case, then what reason did He have to make this declaration?
Just watched the series, and it was great. Thanks for mirroring. Also, TrustinJC is a troll. He's not a Christian, he just wants to make them look bad by spamming idiotic comments in their name. It's ok bro, I troll too sometimes.
Religion = Authoritarianism. The same people who claim to think for themselves also believe that someone else should do their thinking for them and tell them what they must believe.
Can you provide evidence of any kind that long reflection leads to true morality? Can you provide evidence that immorality is the result of "short reflection"?
You do realize, of course, that atheists also claim people are dead, are blind, and are mentally sick if they believe in God. So how is the athiest arguement for this any less distastefull than when a Christian says non-believers are dead unless they turn to God?
dont christians ever stop making shit up? no atheist claim people are dead, blind or mentally sick..... atheists just think yous are uneducated and suffer from low IQ.
@anthonyxfgmail You must be very very new to youtube. For I'm not making anything up. That religious people suffer from a mental disorder is something that atheists often parot. Every bit as often, in fact, that Christians say atheists are blind or dead. And many atheists claim that christians are enslaved and blind to the truth that would set them free to enjoy the only life that they have. If you deny this happens, than you are either a liar or completely ignorant of the reality of youtube.
being blind to the truth and enslaved is very different to being dead, blind or mentally sick.... you must be very new to the english language.... or very bad at perverting the language into meeting your agenda.... oh wait, thats what christians do.... make shit up, lie to themselves then believe they are telling the truth to everyone else.... if its true for you, then it must be true to everyone else? grow up and stop believing in angry santa
@anthonyxfgmail Go back and read your own comment. Did you or did you not write:
" no atheist claim people are dead, blind or mentally sick..... atheists just think yous are uneducated and suffer from low IQ."
Atheists do, in fact, paraphrase scripture and turn it around to accuse Christians of that which scripture claims to be true of non-believers. To argue this shows that you have either been on youtube less than 15 minutes or are a liar.
Delusion is a mental disorder. Until you can provide some objective proof to substantiate your assertions then they are merely unsubstantiated beliefs. To claim that your unsubstantiated beliefs are existential objective facts is plain, simple delusion.
Delusion literally means self deception and exactly applies when one claims that their subjective beliefs are objective facts.
@AxisAnalysis I agree. Atheists are delusional to believe the physical world is all that there is. It is delusional to deny the spirit realm and the spirit that resides in each of us. It is delusional to deny the evidence of God.
If i tell you that the universe is a pimple, would you believe me?
the obvious answer is no. why? It's bizarre and i have no proof of it.
By your definition of delusional, rejecting my claim would be delusional. Because the Spirit realm/spirit is the same as my pimpleuniverse claim. bizarre and lacking evidence
[Atheists are delusional to believe the physical world is all that there is.]
Atheism is merely a lack of belief in deity. One can be an atheist and still believe in any other supernatural nonsense so long as gods are not featured players. Your "spirit realm" is not off limits to atheists, just rational skeptics.
[ It is delusional to deny the evidence of God. ]
It is delusion to claim objective evidence of something that by most accounts can only be sensed through subjective faith.
sadly the character count demanded some cuts, but the following (I think) is an important distinction
[Atheists are delusional to believe the physical world is all that there is.]
Let's forget that Atheism in no way directly means anything of the kind and just go with "the physical world is all that there is." It's rational, not delusional, to believe those things for which one has evidence and to disbelieve those items that have no evidence.
@TrustinJC In what way does your God manifest himself in the physical world that can conclusively be measured so as one would have no doubt of his existence?
"Atheists are delusional to believe the physical world is all that there is. It is delusional to deny the spirit realm and the spirit that resides in each of us."
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You seem to be missing the point entirely, Trustin. The knowledge of such "realms" and other "worlds" aren't apparent, neither you nor do Atheists know with such overwhelming certainty that they exist. The underlining problem is the fact that theologians [you] claim with such assuredness that they 'know' they exist.
@TheBeleaguer the intellectual atheist position don't really deny the unknown, well your right many idiots who group up against religious arrogance is a growing problem among atheist, but this cultural group atheist pretty much just oppose religious scriptures at all costs, after successfully deconstructing religious arguments are unable to explain everything therefor desperately denying possibilities, just like religious hang onto god with no evidence. i find this is just disdain or insecurity.
Disappointingly, Trustin cannot acknowledge the fact that faith healing or some other miraculous occurrence owes more to showmanship and the placebo effect used on eager-to-please individuals that have been worked up into highly excitable, suggestible states. (Now, if faith healers could restore severed limbs...then this of course would lend more credence to that denomination/sect). To label us as "delusional" is a pitifully capricious assertion to present in an argument.
@TheBeleaguer i thought you suggested atheist were delusional, whats going on here, lol my bad, i guess i meant it towards trustinJC? yeah, him, he used the wrong word. poor guy should just "trust In Jesus Christ" instead of going on looking for trouble with honest atheists. if only they believed enough :/
For all we know, there may exist a deity of some sort (despite the lack of veracity and evidence to claim as such).But, this deity has gone through great lengths to discourage those who would feel obligated to "believe" and have "faith" just by performing something that we can all regard as amendable and otherworldly, and this deity has concealed himself to 'test' our faith in him despite the fact that for some, it takes more than blind faith to truly accept something cogently.
Wait, let's evaluate that post a bit more thoroughly. So you exclaim that it is "delusional" to forgo belief in metaphysics/spiritual realms, yet you are vindictive of possessing no historical , quantifiable, or objectionably verifiable evidence that would lend any of your predisposed unsubstantiated claims merit? For reference, subjective beliefs are not constitutive as evidence, neither are baseless assertions.
Hitchens seems to have become gentler, in his final days, reaching out from the heart. I can see farther ahead because I'm standing on his shoulders. He is truly an inspiration to those with ears to listen.
No they don't learn. I suspect it has something to do with them basing their morals on ideals rather than consequences. They'll obey their ideals no matter how bad the consequences for themselves, or for others. Explains a lot.
That's a good question, do they ever learn? No, there is no incentive, sue their ass dpr! You have AronRa and GreatBigBore's videos and Prestonwood is apparently a private school, they have big coffers and they must pay!
but even through long discussion you can never actually arrive at a truth.. because no matter how you look at it, what we know is ultimately subjective and therefore no truth exists.. there are some observations to be shared, however only through a certain degree of social agreement they become usable.. I don't believe there can be such as thing as empirical truth, only if enough people believe something to be true, it will become a social reality.. thats the basis of morality as i see it..
@DonMo999 true, but if enought people talk to each other, we may one day learn that you don't have to agree with someone, to accapt that he may think differantly than you.
My take on things (like religion) is that since we all have the same lack of input to actully KNOW what happens when we die, all religions are equally wrong, and by that, all religions are equally right too.
And there for, I have no place to claim that I'm right and another religion is wrong.
Whoa hoss... If you want to stand on the line and say "we can't know" then I can go there... "religion is equally right" is just silly as a fallacy argument.
That would be analogous to saying that because most people have no idea how the LHC works that the paranoia-nutter theory that the earth is going to be eaten up by a mini-black-hole is a valid statement.
Sorry... Religion is faerie dust... The universe doesn't run on faerie dust.
@DeathofSpeech well, I make a destinction between "passive" belivers, and "active" ones.
active beliviers are trying to make you one too (passive ones, don't care what you belive).
passive ones get a "free pass" from me, because like I said, I can't say if I'm more right than them or not, and even "I know because I belive it to be so" is enought to end the argument.
active ones, need to prove their point of view, and in these cases "I know, because I belive it to be so" is not enought
I had told GBB that I was not so interested in this series (in comparison to other stuff he does) and he agreed with me. Now they have done this I am MORE interested. Idiots.
one problem with this vid 2:17, the "trueth finds it's way to the surface", that means to are accapting that there is trueth, and some kind of objective morality, and that is what the thiests claim, and they add "there has to be someone that made it so".
is it possible that there is no truth? no objective morality? and that all our talk doesn't nessecerly bring about "goodness", but just ways to let us feel better about ourselves (and maybe, even that is so ... is all that bad?)
A conveyed statement can be said to be true if it accurate represents the facts in evidence. A fact is neither good nor evil. Truth is neither good nor evil.
It is socially preferable in most cases to be truthful, but not always... morality may be correlated to truth, but it is not causal.
@DeathofSpeech when you say "the truth will find it's way to the surface", but you are not talking about interogating someone who's lying, but just "normal" people talking about issues of the day, you seem to imply that "the truth" is indipendant of ppl, in other words, that it is objective. and objective morality, is a subset of the objective truth (if there is such a thing).
No idea... When you argue with someone it helps if you argue with something they've actually said.
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You might maybe... do a double-take on whom you meant to direct that towards.
As to whether truth is independent of people... Please explain. I find that a novel idea, since "truth" is a subjective assessment of the relative degree to which an opinion represents facts in evidence.
@eyallev just made a similar point, but hadn't read the comments yet.. however because the truth from my perspctive is subjective I can not know for certain that there is not the possibility of an absolute truth out there.. linked to that is in my opinion the beauty of Rousseau's ethical/political thought of an obective general will knowing the right path for human kind, which can not be seen by any one person alone and is unattainable due to its perfection, but still worth striving for..
Aren't we so lucky that christies can't get away with just murdering their opponents.... First it was plain murder, then it became trophy trials and torture, then it became show trials and false improsonment... so on and so forth. Now what are we left with. A little bit of social ostracism. bigotry and the glory of the false DMCA complaint. How pathetic christies have become. I predict christies will become even more pathetic, eventually ridden to crawling under the nearest table to cry.
@TheSpankymonkey Don't be too sanguine about the Jebusites. They are currently killing "witches" and molesting and murdering children who are deemed to be possessed in Africa. Uganda is considering legislation which would imprison LGBTs for life and even prescribes the death penalty for some. Sarah Palin was blessed by an African minister to protect her from witchcraft. Africa is going to send missionaries to the US and the EU to win us back to religion.
They still can't differentiate evolution from abiogenesis or the big bang even after we told them for 50 years long, they believe in 900 years old 15-feet tall humans and talking snakes, can't really expect them to learn anything remotely rational.
@BXBZ88 What is the penalty for false DMCA claim? I'll Tell you. The videos get mirrored everywhere, all over youtube, blogs, chats, phone calls & tattoos. They will never go away. Anything worth having is constantly tried to be taken away. Knowledge truly is power. Or in this case GreatBigBore videos.
Long live free speech, When it comes right down to it, at a very basic level It's all we have.
@daemonowner I had that when I tried to mirror a flagged video a few weeks ago. The video needs to be changed in some way (e.g. introduce small lines on the video). I don't have the tools to do this but hopefully someone will and will upload it somewhere.
@daemonowner I've never created a video - just mirrored already created ones. Their upload page says they accept a wide variety of formats. The ones I know they accept are flv (flash video) and m4v.
Paraphrasing, in Hitchens own words, religion is invested in ignorance, intolerant and hostile to free inquiry.
This DMCA action proves his statement beyond any reasonable doubt. Any time atheists make progression, the religious bigots take any possible action to impede it. What a shame.
Yeah, as other said, he got cancer, not a very hopeful one either. Ironically enough so many of the religious people that speak against him, not even the extremist ones, call it a blessing from the shadows.
The second part of AronRa's thoughts was also taken down.
"Prestonwood Baptist Church has already disabled the 2nd half of this presentation -after 19,353 views. They're claiming a copyright violation" -- AronRa
if I were to send a letter, what would I be requesting, or what information should it contain?
have they filed a "false" dmca or are they in the wrong at all, or are we pleading with them to allow the user to use the footage he wants in our effort to promote freedom of speech and ideas?
Religion originally was not bad, it was a method of understanding the world, before scientific knowledge existed. In fact many of the older religions are relatively peaceful and Christianity as a religion is not that violent, the problem is the manner in which the Catholic church structured itself gave it a very "Us vs. Them" mentality, which was only made worse when the Christianity ended up splitting apart.
If you'd like to see the full debate just google "Hitchens Dempski Debate Download". It will be the first choice or close to it. There are a total of 10 parts and the entire file is 350 MB. Enjoy.
I wonder how long it will take after his death, (hopefully of old age) for these moral Christians to start lying about how he recanted on his deathbed and accepted Christ.
I think Hitchens wanted to hold back and be sort of his more reflective and calm self, seems to me he got alot of applause there at the end.
I figured having Hitchens debate at a Christian Academy was good for everyone, maybe he gave people the inspiration to think in new ways, and question what their told or been told.
This was an excellent series by @GreatBigBore The debate was largely Dembski preaching then having his ass handed to him. He was very much outclassed by Hitchens, Whom in my opinion held back, possibly even too much.
My favorite statement out of the whole thing "I will not be talked to in such a manner, thank you!"
FML this was in Plano? Damn it I live in Highland Park in Dallas I wish I knew about this I would have attended Plano is about 20 minutes away from me.
I just searched for the debate (to re-watch the entire thing) and apparently the Prestonwood Christian Academy has felt the need to DMCA portions for many different uploaders. So far at lest 2 playlists have been effected, but I felt the need to say this here. I will be mirroring this video immediately following this comment.
@austingbaby1234 Well seeing as at the very beginning of the video it says 18 November 2010 and a few seconds later he says 18 November 2010 my guess would be it was on or around 18 November 2010. But that could just be speculation on my part.
@sclf Hitchens is doing something more effective than praying. He is getting real medical treatment. Sure, He will still probably succumb to the cancer, but he'll live longer than if he wasted his time praying and hoping that god would heal him like he does with all believers that get cancer. What's that? Believers die of cancer too? Damn! That's harsh. So, the point of praying when you have cancer is.....?
Unless your comment was sarcastic, then uhm, my bad.
@sclf Why would Hitchens pray to reverse his cancer? Prayer has no power, except the power to delude a person into thinking that they are benefiting from words being chanted to a being who is a figment of their imagination. It has been said that "Two hands working are worth more than a thousand clasped in prayer". Hitchens hope rests with scientists and doctors. We didn't wipe out polo or small pox by praying. We did it through science, and the same will eventually be true for cancer.
False DCMA's are YouTube's equivalent of the boy who cried wolf. We have to find a way to have these false claimants eaten by wolves.
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Mogley52 6 months ago
The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence and power for the origin and order of the universe. Science shows that the universe has no ability to have sustained itself from eternity. Therefore, it requires a beginning. That beginning has to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. Please peruse my science articles under my name: Babu G. Ranganathan.
Mogley52 6 months ago
@Mogley52
Argument from ignorance.
NUTCASE71733 6 months ago
@Mogley52 'from nothing' is unfortunately not what science thinks happened!
PointlessSteel 5 months ago
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible in nature (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). Species couldn't have survived while their vital tissues, organs, biological systems were still evolving. Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
Mogley52 6 months ago
Nothing that the christian fundie scum does surprises me anymore. They are liars and criminals who are out to make a dishonest buck.
AGNOSSI 9 months ago
Im surprised Hitchens ever got any applause from that crowd.
Nonsensei436 10 months ago
Appropriately on the right side related videos is Pat Condell's Your Faith is a Joke.
77Totems 10 months ago
Creationists felt threatened by five minutes of video? What a bunch of cowards!
Vexille1983 10 months ago 2
This happened in Plano TX just down the road form me how can I miss something like this. Is there any way to find out when these events are happening so in future I may have a chance to attend
rd1999 1 year ago
I'm an atheist and i don't particularly reject god, but all of supernatural. If supernatural is one day proven it will than become natural. Until then, it is only speculation. When somebody takes his own speculation seriously without any evidence and tries to convince me, then it don't matter if they are religious or not. I value critical thinking over atheism. (only all critical thinker are either agnostic or atheist) While one can argue about god existence, religiosity itself is brainless.
nononsenseinrational 1 year ago
so much for christian morality, once more again...
nononsenseinrational 1 year ago 3
If murder is only wrong because God declared it so, that means that before He made such a declaration, it wasn't. If that's the case, then what reason did He have to make this declaration?
lazyperfectionist1 1 year ago
Fucking Christian shitpies. They HATE it when the truth slugs them in their fucking cult face.
NotSoOldHippy 1 year ago
Another bunch of creationists who can't grasp the concept of "fair use".
Guncriminal 1 year ago
I can't stand his voice, he talks like a robot!!
im4everskilled 1 year ago
Just watched the series, and it was great. Thanks for mirroring. Also, TrustinJC is a troll. He's not a Christian, he just wants to make them look bad by spamming idiotic comments in their name. It's ok bro, I troll too sometimes.
soulhunger1 1 year ago
Religion = Authoritarianism. The same people who claim to think for themselves also believe that someone else should do their thinking for them and tell them what they must believe.
VesusSheist 1 year ago
Can you provide evidence of any kind that long reflection leads to true morality? Can you provide evidence that immorality is the result of "short reflection"?
You do realize, of course, that atheists also claim people are dead, are blind, and are mentally sick if they believe in God. So how is the athiest arguement for this any less distastefull than when a Christian says non-believers are dead unless they turn to God?
Do you see the hypocricy you support and promote?
TrustinJC 1 year ago
@TrustinJC
dont christians ever stop making shit up? no atheist claim people are dead, blind or mentally sick..... atheists just think yous are uneducated and suffer from low IQ.
anthonyxfgmail 1 year ago
@anthonyxfgmail You must be very very new to youtube. For I'm not making anything up. That religious people suffer from a mental disorder is something that atheists often parot. Every bit as often, in fact, that Christians say atheists are blind or dead. And many atheists claim that christians are enslaved and blind to the truth that would set them free to enjoy the only life that they have. If you deny this happens, than you are either a liar or completely ignorant of the reality of youtube.
TrustinJC 1 year ago
@TrustinJC
That's a very true statement. Well put.
MarshalNey13 1 year ago
@TrustinJC
being blind to the truth and enslaved is very different to being dead, blind or mentally sick.... you must be very new to the english language.... or very bad at perverting the language into meeting your agenda.... oh wait, thats what christians do.... make shit up, lie to themselves then believe they are telling the truth to everyone else.... if its true for you, then it must be true to everyone else? grow up and stop believing in angry santa
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@anthonyxfgmail Go back and read your own comment. Did you or did you not write:
" no atheist claim people are dead, blind or mentally sick..... atheists just think yous are uneducated and suffer from low IQ."
Atheists do, in fact, paraphrase scripture and turn it around to accuse Christians of that which scripture claims to be true of non-believers. To argue this shows that you have either been on youtube less than 15 minutes or are a liar.
TrustinJC 1 year ago
@TrustinJC
Delusion is a mental disorder. Until you can provide some objective proof to substantiate your assertions then they are merely unsubstantiated beliefs. To claim that your unsubstantiated beliefs are existential objective facts is plain, simple delusion.
Delusion literally means self deception and exactly applies when one claims that their subjective beliefs are objective facts.
AxisAnalysis 1 year ago
@AxisAnalysis I agree. Atheists are delusional to believe the physical world is all that there is. It is delusional to deny the spirit realm and the spirit that resides in each of us. It is delusional to deny the evidence of God.
TrustinJC 1 year ago
@TrustinJC
If i tell you that the universe is a pimple, would you believe me?
the obvious answer is no. why? It's bizarre and i have no proof of it.
By your definition of delusional, rejecting my claim would be delusional. Because the Spirit realm/spirit is the same as my pimpleuniverse claim. bizarre and lacking evidence
ferentus2 1 year ago
[Atheists are delusional to believe the physical world is all that there is.]
Atheism is merely a lack of belief in deity. One can be an atheist and still believe in any other supernatural nonsense so long as gods are not featured players. Your "spirit realm" is not off limits to atheists, just rational skeptics.
[ It is delusional to deny the evidence of God. ]
It is delusion to claim objective evidence of something that by most accounts can only be sensed through subjective faith.
AxisAnalysis 1 year ago
EXPANDED REPLY to point (1)
sadly the character count demanded some cuts, but the following (I think) is an important distinction
[Atheists are delusional to believe the physical world is all that there is.]
Let's forget that Atheism in no way directly means anything of the kind and just go with "the physical world is all that there is." It's rational, not delusional, to believe those things for which one has evidence and to disbelieve those items that have no evidence.
AxisAnalysis 1 year ago
@TrustinJC In what way does your God manifest himself in the physical world that can conclusively be measured so as one would have no doubt of his existence?
Celticking36 1 year ago
@TrustinJC
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"Atheists are delusional to believe the physical world is all that there is. It is delusional to deny the spirit realm and the spirit that resides in each of us."
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You seem to be missing the point entirely, Trustin. The knowledge of such "realms" and other "worlds" aren't apparent, neither you nor do Atheists know with such overwhelming certainty that they exist. The underlining problem is the fact that theologians [you] claim with such assuredness that they 'know' they exist.
TheBeleaguer 1 year ago
@TheBeleaguer the intellectual atheist position don't really deny the unknown, well your right many idiots who group up against religious arrogance is a growing problem among atheist, but this cultural group atheist pretty much just oppose religious scriptures at all costs, after successfully deconstructing religious arguments are unable to explain everything therefor desperately denying possibilities, just like religious hang onto god with no evidence. i find this is just disdain or insecurity.
architect333 1 year ago
delusion is the wrong word!
architect333 1 year ago
@architect333
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Disappointingly, Trustin cannot acknowledge the fact that faith healing or some other miraculous occurrence owes more to showmanship and the placebo effect used on eager-to-please individuals that have been worked up into highly excitable, suggestible states. (Now, if faith healers could restore severed limbs...then this of course would lend more credence to that denomination/sect). To label us as "delusional" is a pitifully capricious assertion to present in an argument.
TheBeleaguer 1 year ago
@TheBeleaguer i thought you suggested atheist were delusional, whats going on here, lol my bad, i guess i meant it towards trustinJC? yeah, him, he used the wrong word. poor guy should just "trust In Jesus Christ" instead of going on looking for trouble with honest atheists. if only they believed enough :/
architect333 1 year ago
@architect333
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For all we know, there may exist a deity of some sort (despite the lack of veracity and evidence to claim as such).But, this deity has gone through great lengths to discourage those who would feel obligated to "believe" and have "faith" just by performing something that we can all regard as amendable and otherworldly, and this deity has concealed himself to 'test' our faith in him despite the fact that for some, it takes more than blind faith to truly accept something cogently.
TheBeleaguer 1 year ago
@TrustinJC
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"It is delusional to deny the spirit realm..."
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Wait, let's evaluate that post a bit more thoroughly. So you exclaim that it is "delusional" to forgo belief in metaphysics/spiritual realms, yet you are vindictive of possessing no historical , quantifiable, or objectionably verifiable evidence that would lend any of your predisposed unsubstantiated claims merit? For reference, subjective beliefs are not constitutive as evidence, neither are baseless assertions.
TheBeleaguer 1 year ago
Hitchens seems to have become gentler, in his final days, reaching out from the heart. I can see farther ahead because I'm standing on his shoulders. He is truly an inspiration to those with ears to listen.
rollsthepaul 1 year ago 2
You needed to number these !!!!
Al1981X 1 year ago
i'm just waiting for some religious nutbag to say "God gave Hitchens cancer to punish him"
richieblackhearted 1 year ago
Dear God,
If you exist may you give me 6 more inches in height so that I can be normal.
kingkong8974 1 year ago
@kingkong8974 --- GOD --- how about I make everyone else 6 inches shorter? it's much easier.
eyallev 1 year ago
Is it just me, or has cancer only made Hitchens more awesome?
AncelDeLambert 1 year ago
@AncelDeLambert Oh no, he has Cancer? I thought he had just shaved his hair off for a new look but Cancer!? :(
blade004 1 year ago
@blade004 throat cancer.
fishtankbank 1 year ago
Thank you, prestonwood academy, I would not have seen this video if you did not try to illegally censor it.
SteveTabernacle 1 year ago 2
Funniest thing about this is that I would not have seen this if the creationist didn't try to censor it.
10shinhan 1 year ago 59
I think Creationist still have a lot to learn about Youtube
10shinhan 1 year ago
@10shinhan same here
kronksworld 1 year ago
huh
blankcanvasgirl 1 year ago
No they don't learn. I suspect it has something to do with them basing their morals on ideals rather than consequences. They'll obey their ideals no matter how bad the consequences for themselves, or for others. Explains a lot.
sam51092 1 year ago
That's a good question, do they ever learn? No, there is no incentive, sue their ass dpr! You have AronRa and GreatBigBore's videos and Prestonwood is apparently a private school, they have big coffers and they must pay!
MacabreManifesto 1 year ago
GreatBigBore is a must subscribe.
BabySatch1 1 year ago
Every video they censor, makes us stronger. Mirrored.
Killjeser 1 year ago
but even through long discussion you can never actually arrive at a truth.. because no matter how you look at it, what we know is ultimately subjective and therefore no truth exists.. there are some observations to be shared, however only through a certain degree of social agreement they become usable.. I don't believe there can be such as thing as empirical truth, only if enough people believe something to be true, it will become a social reality.. thats the basis of morality as i see it..
DonMo999 1 year ago
@DonMo999 true, but if enought people talk to each other, we may one day learn that you don't have to agree with someone, to accapt that he may think differantly than you.
My take on things (like religion) is that since we all have the same lack of input to actully KNOW what happens when we die, all religions are equally wrong, and by that, all religions are equally right too.
And there for, I have no place to claim that I'm right and another religion is wrong.
eyallev 1 year ago
@eyallev
Whoa hoss... If you want to stand on the line and say "we can't know" then I can go there... "religion is equally right" is just silly as a fallacy argument.
That would be analogous to saying that because most people have no idea how the LHC works that the paranoia-nutter theory that the earth is going to be eaten up by a mini-black-hole is a valid statement.
Sorry... Religion is faerie dust... The universe doesn't run on faerie dust.
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago 2
@DeathofSpeech well, I make a destinction between "passive" belivers, and "active" ones.
active beliviers are trying to make you one too (passive ones, don't care what you belive).
passive ones get a "free pass" from me, because like I said, I can't say if I'm more right than them or not, and even "I know because I belive it to be so" is enought to end the argument.
active ones, need to prove their point of view, and in these cases "I know, because I belive it to be so" is not enought
eyallev 1 year ago
Great speech at the end
R3APER24 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@R3APER24 says "Great speech at the end"
I agree, and I'm happy to hear that the audiance agreed as well.
saintpine 1 year ago
I had told GBB that I was not so interested in this series (in comparison to other stuff he does) and he agreed with me. Now they have done this I am MORE interested. Idiots.
NoFaithNoPain 1 year ago
That Hitchens speech at the end is precisely how I feel about the whole religion and Atheism dichotomy.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
one problem with this vid 2:17, the "trueth finds it's way to the surface", that means to are accapting that there is trueth, and some kind of objective morality, and that is what the thiests claim, and they add "there has to be someone that made it so".
is it possible that there is no truth? no objective morality? and that all our talk doesn't nessecerly bring about "goodness", but just ways to let us feel better about ourselves (and maybe, even that is so ... is all that bad?)
eyallev 1 year ago
@eyallev
why does "truth" imply objective morality?
A conveyed statement can be said to be true if it accurate represents the facts in evidence. A fact is neither good nor evil. Truth is neither good nor evil.
It is socially preferable in most cases to be truthful, but not always... morality may be correlated to truth, but it is not causal.
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago
@DeathofSpeech when you say "the truth will find it's way to the surface", but you are not talking about interogating someone who's lying, but just "normal" people talking about issues of the day, you seem to imply that "the truth" is indipendant of ppl, in other words, that it is objective. and objective morality, is a subset of the objective truth (if there is such a thing).
eyallev 1 year ago
@eyallev
No idea... When you argue with someone it helps if you argue with something they've actually said.
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You might maybe... do a double-take on whom you meant to direct that towards.
As to whether truth is independent of people... Please explain. I find that a novel idea, since "truth" is a subjective assessment of the relative degree to which an opinion represents facts in evidence.
DeathofSpeech 1 year ago
@eyallev just made a similar point, but hadn't read the comments yet.. however because the truth from my perspctive is subjective I can not know for certain that there is not the possibility of an absolute truth out there.. linked to that is in my opinion the beauty of Rousseau's ethical/political thought of an obective general will knowing the right path for human kind, which can not be seen by any one person alone and is unattainable due to its perfection, but still worth striving for..
DonMo999 1 year ago
Praise Jesus right in his ass!
Zentz29 1 year ago
Christians throughout the inquisitions and dark ages could just kill Atheists. Must really upset them that all they can do now is false dmca us.
dtm52 1 year ago
Always pick: the right tool for the job, the right man for the job. This time it is dprjones, the man with balls of steel.
mrh3h 1 year ago
Can someone say "Fair Use" this video as well as AronRa's about the debate certainly fit perfectly with it.
nyarlotep 1 year ago
Hitchens is such a great man.
uglyandbad 1 year ago
Aren't we so lucky that christies can't get away with just murdering their opponents.... First it was plain murder, then it became trophy trials and torture, then it became show trials and false improsonment... so on and so forth. Now what are we left with. A little bit of social ostracism. bigotry and the glory of the false DMCA complaint. How pathetic christies have become. I predict christies will become even more pathetic, eventually ridden to crawling under the nearest table to cry.
TheSpankymonkey 1 year ago
@TheSpankymonkey Don't be too sanguine about the Jebusites. They are currently killing "witches" and molesting and murdering children who are deemed to be possessed in Africa. Uganda is considering legislation which would imprison LGBTs for life and even prescribes the death penalty for some. Sarah Palin was blessed by an African minister to protect her from witchcraft. Africa is going to send missionaries to the US and the EU to win us back to religion.
colourmegone 1 year ago
"Prestonwood christian fucking cunts"
LtShock 1 year ago
Creationists never learn.
They attack free speech whenever they can, and yet they also try to claim they're being persecuted.
This is insane with what they do.
GreatExterminator 1 year ago
@GreatExterminator - Sure is. Kinda sounds like a personality disorder, doesnt it? ;D
skeletonmom 1 year ago
cant they be sued for missuse of the dmca thing?
OpiatedBliss 1 year ago
Creationist censors - do they never learn?
Well, no, they are creationists, duh.
They still can't differentiate evolution from abiogenesis or the big bang even after we told them for 50 years long, they believe in 900 years old 15-feet tall humans and talking snakes, can't really expect them to learn anything remotely rational.
Knr911 1 year ago
Never heard of GreatBigBore before, but i'm glad I have now... worth a subscription. Nice one Prestonwood.
DynamiteCooMonster 1 year ago
I wish Hitchens spend his time on more useful things than debating men like that.
bleunt 1 year ago
What are the penalties for a 'False' DMCA?
Because this is such a case!!!!!!!!!
So much for Christian virtue and being Law abiding people that 'they' believe they are.
Also,do the 'complainants' have there own youtube account?
BXBZ88 1 year ago 19
@BXBZ88 What is the penalty for false DMCA claim? I'll Tell you. The videos get mirrored everywhere, all over youtube, blogs, chats, phone calls & tattoos. They will never go away. Anything worth having is constantly tried to be taken away. Knowledge truly is power. Or in this case GreatBigBore videos.
Long live free speech, When it comes right down to it, at a very basic level It's all we have.
pumpstations 1 year ago 5
@dprjones I couldn't mirror his video, it was immediately rejected..
daemonowner 1 year ago
@daemonowner I had that when I tried to mirror a flagged video a few weeks ago. The video needs to be changed in some way (e.g. introduce small lines on the video). I don't have the tools to do this but hopefully someone will and will upload it somewhere.
LAnonHubbard 1 year ago
@LAnonHubbard I haven't uploaded or edited videos before, so i need to get the required programs it would seem.
daemonowner 1 year ago
@LAnonHubbard What sort of file type does it have to be?
daemonowner 1 year ago
@daemonowner I've never created a video - just mirrored already created ones. Their upload page says they accept a wide variety of formats. The ones I know they accept are flv (flash video) and m4v.
LAnonHubbard 1 year ago
what episode was that of spock in the nazi helmet. I can't remember that one.
mitenzouki 1 year ago
@mitenzouki Patterns of Force I think.
82abhilash 1 year ago
@82abhilash thanks
mitenzouki 1 year ago
@82abhilash your message "Religion makes people sick. "
What exactly is your duty?
4bbc 1 year ago
BEAUTIFUL finish.
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
I only have one last strike to spare or I'd mirror this :(
YourBrainOnReligion 1 year ago
Mr. Hitchins, you will be missed.
TheKittengoddess 1 year ago
@TheKittengoddess
While I share the sentiment, he's not dead yet. ;)
Textra1 1 year ago
@Textra1 Yes, I know. I understand he is dying, though.
TheKittengoddess 1 year ago
@TheKittengoddess He's alive, and getting better.
daemonowner 1 year ago
@daemonowner The way I understand it is that he is dying of cancer.
TheKittengoddess 1 year ago
@TheKittengoddess He is going through chemotherapy, and he seems to be getting better. He is far better now than he was a month or two ago.
daemonowner 1 year ago
Paraphrasing, in Hitchens own words, religion is invested in ignorance, intolerant and hostile to free inquiry.
This DMCA action proves his statement beyond any reasonable doubt. Any time atheists make progression, the religious bigots take any possible action to impede it. What a shame.
EvolutionEducation 1 year ago 3
annoying voice
deepair007 1 year ago
@deepair007
Of course, having Samuel L Jackson read a script is more entertaining, but completely unneeded. Nowhere near an annoying voice.
Otakuonfire 1 year ago
wow i didnt know he went bald :O
Mchlgraca15 1 year ago
@Mchlgraca15 Cancer and chemotherapy will do that.
hollywoodt00 1 year ago
@Mchlgraca15 hes got cancer...
amarthishness 1 year ago
@Mchlgraca15
Yeah, as other said, he got cancer, not a very hopeful one either. Ironically enough so many of the religious people that speak against him, not even the extremist ones, call it a blessing from the shadows.
Otakuonfire 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
The second part of AronRa's thoughts was also taken down.
"Prestonwood Baptist Church has already disabled the 2nd half of this presentation -after 19,353 views. They're claiming a copyright violation" -- AronRa
ObserversEyes 1 year ago
if I were to send a letter, what would I be requesting, or what information should it contain?
have they filed a "false" dmca or are they in the wrong at all, or are we pleading with them to allow the user to use the footage he wants in our effort to promote freedom of speech and ideas?
TheJamesPope 1 year ago
My question is, why is religion even allowed on Earth after the shit it's done? Are people truly that dence?
mikerules999 1 year ago
@mikerules999
Religion originally was not bad, it was a method of understanding the world, before scientific knowledge existed. In fact many of the older religions are relatively peaceful and Christianity as a religion is not that violent, the problem is the manner in which the Catholic church structured itself gave it a very "Us vs. Them" mentality, which was only made worse when the Christianity ended up splitting apart.
theGuyE57 1 year ago
If you'd like to see the full debate just google "Hitchens Dempski Debate Download". It will be the first choice or close to it. There are a total of 10 parts and the entire file is 350 MB. Enjoy.
Educateftw 1 year ago 2
what is tha picture frome at 3:00 ?
lianglonglong 1 year ago
@lianglonglong ha it looks a Nazi Spock.
mikerules999 1 year ago
While I'm sure he appreciates it too, I personally appreciate you mirroring this.
firefly4f4 1 year ago
I've been a fan of @GreatBigBore a while now. This is certainly fair use.
LJonYT 1 year ago
I was AT that debate! lol
TheBarkingAtheist 1 year ago
I watched all of them! And I recommend you mirror the entire series, he could lose it all with one false dmca!
Zlibservacratican 1 year ago
Good to see Hitchens is back up and swingin for reason out there.
x5vampire5x 1 year ago
I wonder how long it will take after his death, (hopefully of old age) for these moral Christians to start lying about how he recanted on his deathbed and accepted Christ.
WilliamPbrane 1 year ago
@WilliamPbrane i agree (hopefully of old age) but the worst of them will start saying he accepted christ about 3 seconds after his death
SyCoeSis 1 year ago
I think Hitchens wanted to hold back and be sort of his more reflective and calm self, seems to me he got alot of applause there at the end.
I figured having Hitchens debate at a Christian Academy was good for everyone, maybe he gave people the inspiration to think in new ways, and question what their told or been told.
DWWEnganacious 1 year ago
Was that Nazi Spock I saw? (If so... would he be a Spazi?... or a Nock?)
OukaKisa 1 year ago 11
@OukaKisa LMFAO!!! Nicely said!
SauerKraut537 1 year ago
i have a good hunch that this entire series follows under comment and criticism. he should counterclaim to get these videos back up.
kittehprimo 1 year ago
I heartily thank the censors, for without them I would not have seen this video.
indignation01 1 year ago
This was an excellent series by @GreatBigBore The debate was largely Dembski preaching then having his ass handed to him. He was very much outclassed by Hitchens, Whom in my opinion held back, possibly even too much.
My favorite statement out of the whole thing "I will not be talked to in such a manner, thank you!"
pumpstations 1 year ago 7
Lets tech them the strisand effect
HappyCabbie 1 year ago
FML this was in Plano? Damn it I live in Highland Park in Dallas I wish I knew about this I would have attended Plano is about 20 minutes away from me.
youngn420 1 year ago
Thanks dp
jnjoblon 1 year ago
wait what happened?
Doomedlight 1 year ago
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JaMoond 1 year ago
I just searched for the debate (to re-watch the entire thing) and apparently the Prestonwood Christian Academy has felt the need to DMCA portions for many different uploaders. So far at lest 2 playlists have been effected, but I felt the need to say this here. I will be mirroring this video immediately following this comment.
damaxman 1 year ago 3
LOL idiots, I wouldn't have watched this video if it wasn't mirrored!
1aaronaaron1 1 year ago 2
dprjones, do you have the link to the pinker article that GreatBigBore mentions?
myrmecophilous 1 year ago
does anyone know when this debate was??
i live in dallas which is 20 minutes from plano and really would have wanted to see Christopher
austingbaby1234 1 year ago
@austingbaby1234 Nov 18, 2010
Jrezky 1 year ago
@austingbaby1234 Well seeing as at the very beginning of the video it says 18 November 2010 and a few seconds later he says 18 November 2010 my guess would be it was on or around 18 November 2010. But that could just be speculation on my part.
newcoyote 1 year ago
"One of the great tragedies of mankind is that morality has been hijacked by religion." Arthur C. Clarke
"Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system" Thomas Paine
arizonaviking 1 year ago 3
I hope God does exist becaus I'm gonna throttle hm.
Kousaburo 1 year ago
STREISAND EFFECT FTW.
FIRE THE LOW ORBIT ION CANNON.
volound 1 year ago 67
@volound Aligning sensors.... Target acquired.
FeralCr 1 year ago
@volound O GOD NO
DaManCallahan 1 year ago
@volound I need the fucking coordinates!
Razgrits 1 year ago
@volound LOIC? Let us raise our harpoons to the sky!
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@volound Fuck the LOIC. Someone prepare the Death Star.
FraggedMind 1 year ago
Steven Pinker on infanticide? I've seen before, a confusion between Steven Pinker and Peter Singer. Is that what's going on here?
ghuegel 1 year ago
Finally... Dembski has shown us all what a tool of ignorance he is.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
Hitchkens has cancer?
sclf 1 year ago
@sclf yes
endauthority 1 year ago
@sclf Yes he has esophageal cancer. It has a very low survival rate.
alphacause 1 year ago
@alphacause Damn i would be preying if i was him.
sclf 1 year ago
@sclf Hitchens is doing something more effective than praying. He is getting real medical treatment. Sure, He will still probably succumb to the cancer, but he'll live longer than if he wasted his time praying and hoping that god would heal him like he does with all believers that get cancer. What's that? Believers die of cancer too? Damn! That's harsh. So, the point of praying when you have cancer is.....?
Unless your comment was sarcastic, then uhm, my bad.
tommy605 1 year ago
@tommy605 Its also a ironic one.
sclf 1 year ago
@sclf Why would Hitchens pray to reverse his cancer? Prayer has no power, except the power to delude a person into thinking that they are benefiting from words being chanted to a being who is a figment of their imagination. It has been said that "Two hands working are worth more than a thousand clasped in prayer". Hitchens hope rests with scientists and doctors. We didn't wipe out polo or small pox by praying. We did it through science, and the same will eventually be true for cancer.
alphacause 1 year ago 2
right...and this was removed????
PaleoClipper 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Sad ignorant fools, it goes to show how desperate they are to censor truth...
Uteko95 1 year ago
i love you mr hitchens
lambchopxoxo 1 year ago
Damn impressive the crowd at the end cheering for him. Then again i might have a misplaced view since i haven't seen the whole thing.
Shydrow 1 year ago
Not technically censorship. Only governments can censor.
greenghost2008 1 year ago
What were the grounds for the DMCA?
Hopeful71 1 year ago
@Hopeful71 They got a "copyright page" that is fit for a music record company on there site. So they probably thought it applied here.
Dasmaster1 1 year ago
and i hope that gbb gets more subs from this. hes the nicest guy and makes great vids
lambchopxoxo 1 year ago
@lambchopxoxo :) i think he will. His subscriber count has skyrocketed recently.
Dasmaster1 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Hopeful71 I'd like to know that as well, Hopeful71. Probably, "Jesus told us to." : )
rationalmuscle 1 year ago
GreatBigBore sounds kind of sick.
Xirbtt 1 year ago
Just shows you how desperate Prestonwood Christian Academy is. Christopher Hitchens makes prose sound like poetry.
cmsalvagio 1 yea