酔拳 醉八仙拳 (少林黑虎門) Siu Lum Black Tiger Drunken boxing

[Siddthartha]

it seems to me, you add some tachi principles in your movement. isnt it? )

[kurotoramon]

@Siddthartha Thanks for the comment. The answer is yes or no. Relaxation of the body and power is generated from the hips, which is kind of general principles in Chinese Martial Arts. So, there are always some degree of resemblances in the Chinese styles. Not to mention, I love Taichi and practise Yang and Chen style.

[Siddthartha]

@kurotoramon yeah, but it is clearly seen that you practise chen style. for example, "something moved -- nothing remains motionless", and waving movement from center of mass, and some synchronizing of joints of hands and legs, known as "three external coordinations" -- that's principles of internal art, not just chinese) anyway, all this stuff is very useful imho, so I like result of your practice -- looks good.

i mean, all of other demonstrations of drunk forms i saw, were more "external".

[kurotoramon]

@Siddthartha I see...you seem to know Chen style a lot more than me. Thanks for sharing the information with me. I kind of agree with you regarding other drunken forms seen on YouTube. The majority is basically modern wushu style, which look like being a drunkard but jumping and rolling around. They look pretty external. However, the style I do is not like being drunken, but constant changes of the centre of gravity with relaxation of the body looks like a drunkard.... 

[libragig88]

If you are referring to Fajing, this is totally different as only one joint normally could not perform fajing but a series of them do. It normally starts from the ground and all the joints that it pass accelerate it until it hits opponent.

I believe you are fond of old Chinese kungfu system script too but they are quite hard to understand and sometimes too blurr. However, a kungfu systems original essence and training method lies within these old words.

[libragig88]

I believe the Southern drunken form needs very strong wrist power, it enables you to do handstand kicking thus extend the technique of the drunken system. The second most important joint would be the knee power. Much pretend-falling motion need strong knee to give you wider angle. One must be able to perform stand-crouch-stand with one leg hanging in the air to lay the foundation. I wonder if this helps you understand what I mean as Joint power.

[kurotoramon]

@libragig88 My apology for the belated reply. I just found your messages to be approved here. Thank you for explaining the joint power. Now I have some ideas.

[libragig88]

I like your word, traditional Chinese martial arts are the most sophisticated in terms of theories and mechanics as I have felt the same thing. In my word, it is that the Chinese martial art has the highest research value as you could find that it is physics and it is anatomical trigonometry thus one could not measure how much the skill/knowledge could be advanced to. I am so glad that I could met another researcher here.

[kurotoramon]

@libragig88, Yes, I like pondering. So, when learning new forms or movements, I normally break down the moves into segments and contemplate the reasons behind the motions. I found that the traditional Chinese arts contain layers of information in the movements. Therefore, it is enjoyable to repeatedly practise the techniques and forms because I keep discovering new things. This is just like reading the Taichi songs.

[libragig88]

The performer has good form though. If he could have joint power training, he would be one of the best drunken style specialist in the world.

[kurotoramon]

@libragig88

Thanks for the comment. I would like to ask you what the joint power training is. Could you explain what it is and provide me with the terminology in Chinese?

[drunkenironrabbit2]

I would be interested to see the hidden 'application' of the movements in the form.., while the 'fajing' seems to be there there doesnt seem to be much semblance of fu kuen/tora no ken in there at all and the movements dont really follow the most subscribed of drunken horse cat or bow stances.., there doesnt seem to be an rigidity in the cup hand or the hidden phoenix eye.., so it to the unknowing practioner and even to a seasoned one like myself it doesnt look like much other than fajing form

[kurotoramon]

@drunkenironrabbit2

Thank you for the comment. Hark Fu Mum (Black Tiger system) is a Cantonese art featuring a number of animals including tiger. The style consists of core Black Tiger forms with esoteric styles such as drunken fist and monkey boxing. Thus, there is no tiger movements in the form.

[kurotoramon]

@drunkenironrabbit2

Fighting applications can be seen on harkfumun channel. This style may be different from any other drunken fists due to the fact that it is not the modern Wushu drunken styles influenced by Jacky Chan. I hope these information help you understand our Kungfu.

[GetDamage]

@kurotoramon thumbs up, this looks more practical than any other drunken style on here.

[kurotoramon]

@GetDamage Thank you for the support!!

[t3ru]

酔拳なんだ～ 、酔っ払いの太極拳家がホウ垂やってるように見えますね。

あっ決してバカにしてる訳じゃなくて、珍しかったのと、率直な意­見です。

[thejoeinet]

可以继续下去,对身体有好处.呵呵

[Wariar11]

Ahh Drunken Boxing, i love this. Its unique and unpredictable. I see people comment on vids of this saying it cant be used in a street fight but i disagree. It makes their opponent underestimate them which is fatal flaw in a fight. Especialy if they underestimate someone who has been practicing it for a few years.

[sylvester134]

It can be used as overall body toning and training

[oAHIRUo]

おい！拳法が身を守るためにあるなら！！！

まちがいねぇ・・・・この動きで守れるわけがねぇ・・・・

でも否定してるわけじゃない！それだけはわかってください。

[kurotoramon]

@oAHIRUo, Thanks for the interesting comment. It would be helpful if you could comment in English next time. So, other viewers world wide can read it.

To summarise what you said, you think this style can not be used as a self defense. You could be right or wrong. This drunken form teaches you how to move around, punch and kick with the body completely relaxed. The concept is contradictory to most of Japanese martial arts which you must be tensed up whatever you do. Free your mind, mate.

[s9002385]

@kurotoramon

Perhaps we are better making more videos to explain the applications and the underlaying meaning of this drunken form.

eric

[kurotoramon]

@s9002385

Hi Sifu Eric san. Yes, I would love to make clips on fighting applications and broaden my knowledge of the drunken boxing. Thank you for the suggestion!!

[yulaw3]

@kurotoramon why not learn japanese?

[kurotoramon]

@yulaw3 Thanks for the comment.

I started off learning the Japanese styles when I was a kid. I enjoyed the Japanese and Korean styles, but I found the traditional Chinese martial arts are the most sophisticated in terms of theories and mechanics.

Here is the list of what I practised in the last 25 years.

Kempo, Judo, Kyudo, Taekondo, Southern Mantis style, SIlat, Taichi (Chen Man Ching, Yang, Chen), Hark Fu Mun (Black Tiger).

I hope this answered your question.

[yulaw3]

@kurotoramon yes, im also a chinese stylist, but study japanese and korean too.thanks

[kurotoramon]

@sjander29, KuloKungFu, silentfest862, and Ionegroable,

Thank you very much indeed for your feedback.

I am just a student in Siu Lum Black Tiger. All credit should go to my master, Eric-san who taught me the style and he has got extraordinary Kungfu skills.

[sjander29]

Wonderful Demo of an Extraordinary Style ! Only a Great Martial Arts Master could create this Style ,and only a tremendous "Chi Basis " could use it effectively. Thank you for sharing this .

[KuloKungFu]

very nice

[silentfist862]

Probably the best Drunken Form I've ever seen.

[lonegroable]

very nice!!