Gingrich Spox: Democrats Have 'Totalitarian impulses'

[thegreatdaveo]

Newt Gingrich was forced to resign as Speaker of the House by his own party after becoming the first and only Speaker in U.S. history to be convicted and punished for serious ethics violations. He cheated on both of his previous wives and was actually involved in an adulterous affair while he was hypocritically pressing for the impeachment of President Clinton for the very same thing! Why is anyone even listening to this slimeball?

[walmartramen]

And the Republicans  are heathens! PAY YOUR TAXES! Matthew 22:21

[geofiles]

WE CAN FIGHT BACK. . . We can stop most of the Obama propaganda machine byway of the internet.

Signup on the Obama web site, for they will start sending you their propaganda by email. When received, then report it as "SPAM" email. Once enough of us have done this, then your internet email server will not deliver the emails directly to anyones email box.

Also, please do the same on the individual Senator and Congressman emails.

NOTE: Some say Obama won because of the internet.

[Pleblian]

@geofiles

"Not all people are stupid"

No, but if you intend on selling the crap you're selling, they would have to be.

Everybody do your research before believing propaganda. factcheck(dot)org

[fearguis]

Newsflash... Obama won because more people in this country wanted him as our president.

You right wing nutjobs are even funnier now that we've voted you out. Pathetic... but funny.

[cetrix1]

He lied to get those votes, a lot of people who wanted him as president are now regretting it.

[fearguis]

No, that's what Glenn Beck tells people like you, who are stupid enough to believe it. But the fact is, spanky, Obama is doing what we voted him in to do. The fact that people like yourself are opposed to it is beside the point.

You see... sane people disagree with your views. And there are more of us than there are of you. So you'll just have to live with it. Personally, I think you should move to a shack in the mountains and complain to your dog about it.

[cetrix1]

Obama has broken lots of promises, he broke his promises on Pork Spending, he broke his promise to give the American people time to read bills before signing them, etc. (I'd go on, but I only have so much space to type)

His Approval rating is now below 50% in virtually every poll, people regret voting for him.

Also, funny how you just assumed what my ideology is; everything I've said so far is based on fact not opinion. Twisting words just so you can insult me, how typical.

[fearguis]

I'm not assuming anything. I just read your tinfoil hat posts on this thread. You're another Glenn Beck braindead right-winger.

Obama could turn water into wine and you'd still find something to complain about.

But like I said... nutters like you are the minority. And that's a very good thing.

[cetrix1]

I'm not a right-winger, I hate right-wingers and believe the Republicans are just as much to blame for the way this country is as anyone else. I am a Libertarian, yes I believe in small government, but I also believe in the right to choose, gay marriage, etc. Being a Libertarian means I believe we can run our lives without people taking full control of them.

Perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to insult people for having a different perspective, it's very...facist.

[cetrix1]

Also, I'm interested in how you call me crazy when I'm using polls and facts and you don't bring up any facts, you just insult people. If Obama could turn water into wine, it would explain why you would support a man whose policies will bankrupt this country.

You don't have any argument, no facts, no nothing...just insults. Obama has an Approval rating of under 50%, YOU ARE OF THE MINORITY OPINION HERE.

Just get off the computer and don't come back until you have an actual argument.

[fearguis]

You hate Obama, just like all the other nutters do. You hated him before he was elected, and you hate him now. No surprise there. The funny thing is... all the Obama conspiracy theorists keep changing their tune depending on what Glenn Beck tells them each week. One week Obama is going to kill your grandmother, then he's going to take your guns via force, then he's a lame duck that can't do anything.

You all need to pick a story and stick with it.

[cetrix1]

One, I didn't hate Obama during the election, I didn't trust him but when he won the election I was like, "Okay, I don't know him; he doesn't have any real record for me to judge him on. I'll wait until he starts making decisions before I form an opinion of him." And that's what I did, I waited to see what he did. And once he started spending money we didn't have, I decided he wasn't a good President.

[cetrix1]

TWO, Glen Beck never said anything about OBama killing my Grandmother, he never said anything about him taking away guns by force, he never said anything about being a lame duck.

You just pulled that out of your ass because you have no other way to debate me, why? because you know I have all the facts on my side.

[fearguis]

I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where I'm debating you.

I only said you're a right wing nutjob. Your comments speak for themselves. I was just pointing that out.

What were you wanting me to debate?

[cetrix1]

The way you disregard what I say in favor of mindlessly insulting me is amazing, I am not a right-wing nut job, the fact that I don't like Obama doesn't make me one. I've explained this to you and you just show yourself as nothing more than some...I can't even think of a way to properly describe you.

I'm done talking to you, you're just an idiot trying to get angry responses from me, well, you failed.

[fearguis]

You sound pretty angry to me. But anywho... I forgot to mention... yes... Glenn Beck did say all of those things I mentioned earlier.

You may have gotten your tinfoil hat from a different nutter, but it's not important. What is important is that you wear it proudly.

[thegreatdaveo]

@cetrix1 On his radio show on Aug. 10, 2009, Glenn Beck specifically said he believed that what Sarah Palin was saying about there being "death panels" in the health care reform bill was true. That's where the whole killing one's grandmother comes from. On his April 6 radio show of the same year Beck said that Pres. Obama "will slowly but surely take away your gun or take away your ability to shoot a gun, carry a gun." I don't know about the lame duck thing but the other quotes are factual.

[geofiles]

The current Health Care Bill being considered by Congress contains over 2,100 pages, creates 111 new agencies, and countless panels and committees.

It doesn't conform to any other successful working models of Health Care used by other Nations.

It will begin with an immediate increase in taxes, but it will not begin to provide services for over 3 years from now.

Seriously, who in their right mind would think such a bureaucracy will work, alone save more lives and money?

[Pleblian]

@geofile

Not one thing you spewed here is true, not one

watch?v=4n2P0QsTe8c

[geofiles]

Not all people are stupid, for they can make sure I'm telling the truth, and my facts are correct. Speaking of facts, tell me one thing I've said that isn't true?

[j0hnwi11iams]

These people at Fox have some serious cognitive issues. What was the purpose of reading a 700 page bill that they had no intention of voting for in the first place? I am tired of treating these retards with any civility because the favor is NEVER returned.

[172677]

Ah, good old Newtie....the hypocritacal adulterer who so famously was forced to resign as Speaker of the House.

Leave it to this scumbag to ignore the Kingdom of Bush and Cheney and turn his nastiness towards the Dems now that he and his GOP have been booted out....and taken over by the tinhat wearing teabaggers...and Sister Sarah, the evangelical radical christian extremist..

Boo-hoo...let's all cry for Newtie.

[marniespeaks]

McCain did the same thing to Sen Dayton in 2003

[boots920]

Communism has never come to power in a country that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both.

John F. Kennedy

That why the Fed assassinated Kennedy so they could continue the subversive communist agenda .

Looks like mission accomplished ?

US Constitution:

1) Natural Born only for POTUS - Natural Born Kenyans illegal

2) Gold and Silver only - Fed Note ILLEGAL money

3) Congress Declares War - Not Prescott Bush's moronic corrupt grandson.

How do you like commie world so far ?

[julian7650]

As a Cuban born American I will say, check out what has been hapening in Venezuela. It may be the exception, but look at it.

[boots920]

All world leaders in 1971 including Castro accepted the US dollar as world reserve even though there's nothing backing it.

So what does Hugo Chavez say about the US dollar being counterfeited since 1971 ?

Gold and FED Note world reserve.

Gold 1971 $35 US

Gold 2009 $1125 US

Where's chavez about the counterfeiting ?

[ishmealm]

I love how you post the same "Obama's not a citizen" comment for every single video, no matter what the video's subject matter. You bring a lot to the conversation and I appreciate that.

[boots920]

Just means you fuckers are toast and so it the rest of the world's taxpayers. Asshole.

Now please fuck off and die you cunt.

[ishmealm]

Come on buddy, don't be like that. I love your nonsensical comments and nutty world view.

[boots920]

"Come on buddy, don't be like that. I love your nonsensical comments and nutty world view."

So what 's your explanation on why a $35 item now costs $1125 in Federal Reserve Paper ?

[ishmealm]

You must not be very familiar with the commodities market. Gold is at $1125 for the same reason oil was at $145 a barrel in 2008, 30 to 40 times more gold paper is being traded than actual gold is needed. It is artificial market inflation by the speculators. Or I guess it could be the work of the Illuminati and the end of the American empire. Either way, you should sell everything that you have and mortgage your house to buy gold and short the US dollar.

[boots920]

"Gold is at $1125 for the same reason oil was at $145 a barrel in 2008"

If the Federal Reserve wasn't counterfeiting money gold would be $35 oz, really $20 US face value of a double eagle.

What 's the sense of shorting the US dollar when its counterfeit ? Gee you're not too bright are you ?

[ishmealm]

So was oil being counterfeited? I'm guessing not and yet you're completely content to ignore the obvious similarities between the two commodities to go with a global counterfeiting scheme? And what does the dollar's legitimacy have to do with shorting it? Do you even understand what I'm talking about?

[boots920]

So was oil being counterfeited?

No its a real commodity worth more than paper isn't it ?

The US government has been counterfeiting money since 1971. The whole market has been a debacle since.

Right now the US dollar is worthless to me but the market hasn't made the adjustment yet. Too many ignorant people out there right. They think the US dollar is gold, its not its a "bill of credit".

I would shot something that had some value, the US dollar has 0 value.

[ishmealm]

Yes, oil is a real commodity, just like gold is a real commodity. That was my whole point. Just like speculation artificially drove the price of oil to record numbers in 2008, gold is also being driven by speculation. Do you see the similarities between the two? It's not a huge conspiracy, it's just the market and greed. And you would short something that you knew was going to fall in value and it seems that you are pretty certain that the dollar is worthless and currently overvalued.

[boots920]

"seems that you are pretty certain that the dollar is worthless and currently overvalued"

What's the difference between the Zimbabwe Dollar and the US dollar or any other FIAT currency.

Nothing because all they have backing it is corrupt government.

Real money ended in 1971 - Nixon Shock

Fiat money ended in 2008, market hasn't made the adjustment yet. No ceiling in commodities because the globe is in hyper inflation. Fiat money is worthless.

[TrollBuster9090]

"I love how you post the same 'Obama's not a citizen' comment for every single video, no matter what the subject matter."

No he doesn't.  He posts the "gold prices" rant to 75% of the videos and the "where's Obama's birth certificate" rant to only about 25% of them. He's saved from looking like a spam robot by the coincidence that about 25% of the videos are about Obama and 25% are about the economy anyways, so once in awhile he actually looks like he's on topic.

It's pretty cute, actually.

[ishmealm]

I haven't seen his gold rant yet, but I've seen the "POTUS- Illegal Kenyans" one about 15 times. I noticed that FOX News has been yammering about gold a lot here lately (mainly because they are all spokespeople for gold). I should have known that it wouldn't take long before all the FN regurgitators came here to "educate us".

[boots920]

"I haven't seen his gold rant yet"

I know you haven't seen the dollar collapse for yourself. illegal wars + central bank counterfeiting money - non eligible POTUS = Empire implosion

How come so serious dip shit ?

[boots920]

So 's starving to death...its cute.

The US government has been counterfeiting paper money since 1971 with all world leaders co-operating.

Means the taxpayers won't be eating well in the future.

That debacle ended in 2008

[jellygraph]

republicans/neo conservatives had totalitarian impulses as well (in fact, we were much worse off during the bush years. they caused all the problems we now face!). i dont see what his point is then...?

[blair227]

LIEberman needs to STFU,great job Senator Franken.Rethugs want to foist their beliefs on everyone but they aren't totalitarian?What a job it must be to work at Fux.All ethics,and truth must be left at the front door.

[Watchout5]

I doubt a totalitarian government would be happy letting the man speak for 10 minutes before telling him to shut up, if this really was some kind of totalitarian takeover Al would have shut McCain up for speaking out against it, which frankly ended up wasting more time then if you would have let Lieberman ramble on for another couple seconds. To accuse the US government of totalitarianism is treasonous, Marxist and spongebobist.

[bombonyou]

No ideas.

No solutions.

so... Just make shit up!

[atripa645]

There is only one group of people that are bigger liars than the Democrats, the Republicans.

[QuasiEvilScott]

Ha - nicely taken out of context and repackaged into a blurb which loses meaning and demonizes a perfectly legimitate action and counter-play made by the respectable Senator from Minnesota.

Well done fox, no one can redefine terms to suit their own ends like you guys. While you're at it - can you get that whole Gravity thing redone? I'd like to fly with wax wings toward the sun.

-Qes

[tallcoolone1]

this is a stupid conversation. The issue is health care. The GOP is immoral for even trying to divert the issue while thousands die every month from subpar health care. Immoral bastards. You have no moral fiber. You are souless fucks. Your religion is nothing but a canard to steal our money. Fuck all of you.

[Ariesxe]

@tallcoolone1

Because socialized government-paid healthcare is SO MUCH BETTER THAN PRIVATE RUN.

Have you been to Europe?

[tallcoolone1]

fuck you Tyler. the GOP has alot of nerve talking about totalitarian impulses after 8 years of their secret police and torture. The Dems only want majority rule. They have 57 votes and you fucking little babies wont even allow a vote to go forward. Fuck your fillibuster. Shove it up your ass.

[KLNDR]

These are obvious lies, and anyone who has the eyes to even see what happened in either of those cited events should know it.

[random0815]

hyperbolical lies are one of their methods, youll have a hard time confuting such extreme statements in the few phrases u are given on the screen, they know they can get away with it plus such verbal totalitarism speaks to the fatalism of their small minded constituency

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

Is conceding to every demand that republicans and conservative democrats make also a totalitarian impulse?

[IAMtheNewWorldOrder]

This is way more a reflection of how republicans think than who democrats are.

See, when you're a republican, there's always some evil intention hidden behind every "good" thing you do, so they assume everyone else is the same way.

And don't you just love jet black pots who call slightly grayish kettles black?

[CitizenWorm]

This is SOOOO dumb. Neither of his examples support his main assertion. Additionally authoritarianism has no inclination be it left right or center. It's the territory of the ego maniac who thinks they have the solution to every problem in their own head and they exist in every party.

[z0mgwhut]

Actually, totalitarianism is far right wing, it is the counter part to the far left anarchism.

If anything, Republicans are more totalitarian than Democrats; also more Nazi like as that was also a right wing ideologue.

[Origen305]

I beg to differ. Totalitarianism is not a product of the 'left/right' paradigm - many Communist states of the 20th century were totalitarian. As for anarchism, which presupposes absence of government - it can arise from any part of the political spectrum.

[random0815]

even a partly democratic state can be totalitarian, i think you can say the usa is totalitarian in some regards, fe. that in the political realm you basically dont have the right to argue about capitalism and war (think of post 9/11), and it was especially the republicans which tried to paint any dissenter as a traitor

[z0mgwhut]

You can beg to differ as much as you want, but it means nothing when you understand the definition of the political ideologies.

Totalitarianism spawns from government control, often a theocracy in nature (which Republicans want). Totalitarianism is strict control, an adherence to the government (see 1984, Brave New World, etc).

Right includes: conservatives, fascists, nationalists, etc.

Left includes: progressives, social liberals, social democrats, socialists, communists and anarchists.

[Origen305]

@z0mghut.

I do understand political philosophy, ancient, modern and post-modern. I can assure you I need no schooling from someone who states categoricaly thet 'totalitarianism is far right wing'.

Your reductionist categorisations belie a lack of appreciation for the subtelties in political philosophies. One could argue that Libertarians are quasi-anarchists.(just one example).

[Zaphodox]

@Origen305 NIcely said sir. I would further your argument and say that the reductionist would go further and say anyone who does not conform to thier *image* of government or society is either an anarchist or traitor.

[Origen305]

I agree to the extent that these labels have become so loaded and often pejorative to the extent that they lack agreed definitions, as this thread amply demonstrates.. You are correct that speaking ones mind on matters of the USs foreign policy earns one the labels of traitor, enemy-sympathiser etc, just as criticism of certain policies of Israel gets you branded an anti-Semite or self-hating Jew.

[Origen305]

Capitalism, Communism, Socialism etc. Are not necessarily good or bad. They are ideas, whose value is apparent in their specific implementation.

[XxDITONExX]

But both Communism and Socialism in the average american has been thought to be EVIL (suppression of religion/individualism). So from an American stand-point; Communism/Socialism are bad.

[whoo689]

LOL! Yes, the Democrats are the ones with "Totalitarian" impulses, not the Republicans who think America should be the world police, pass things like the Patriot Act and warrantless wiretaps, wanna restrict the right to choose, wanna restrict a sick patient's right to die, wanna restrict gay rights, are pro-drug war, etc. etc. Did Rick totally forgot his party's platform when he spoke here??

[xalston]

republicans love to dish it out but damn sure can't take it, they shot down a healthcare proposal from sen sanders earlier in the week using the same tactics man they are such blatant Hippocrates it's almost an insult

[dafttool]

Is Gingrich such a big shot now, that he can't bellyache to the cameras himself? That's bullshit, as was what he said.

The GOP are whiners. They had no trouble bullying Dems around for nearly a decade, but when the shoe is on the other foot, they go running to the cameras like a spoiled kid runs to his mother complaining about the other kids not being nice to them. Boo hoo.

[HellWithPoverty]

If democrats have "totalitarian tendencies, " then I am afraid republicans have "let them eat cake" tendencies.

[junkforkaryn]

i wish for one second we progressives would be what the Right accuses us of being. it would go down in history as the slaughter they never saw coming.

[allencrider]

Who the fuck is Gingrich Spox and why should I care?

[FixedNewsChannel]

I couldn't have said it better.

[terpis]

No, the "totalitarian impulse" would've been if Franken had run down and sunk an icepick into Lieberman's enormous head.

This absurd meme is to be found (2:40) on this really great clip, of George Monbiot taking down lying climate change denier Ian Plimer, the latter being dumb enough to consent to an open debate.

/watch?v=fnjAwzN09E4

[Francebrasil]

LIAR!!!!! Remember???

These GOP freaks and their phony moralistic outrage!!!!

[TrollBuster9090]

Damned right, the civilized (Republican) thing to do would be to pass a bill through Budget Reconcilliation, and then kick Lieberman, Nelson, Baucus and Landrieu out of caucus just for fun, to see how long they can stand being out of the spotlight.

My guess is they'd last about two weeks before they came back begging to get into caucus, and promising to vote for ANYTHING as long as they can be Chairman of the Senate Cloakroom Peg Allocation Committee,

[facelesshorseman]

How dare they disrespect Joe (the most important man in the world) Lieberman.

[integral]

Funny as hell on the one hand.

Kinda sick, disturbing, and pathetic on the other that so many people watch Fox and buy the shite they're selling.

[ETericET]

True. Think about this. Most fox news viewers are over 60 and un or undereducated. Most will probably without a good public healthcare system die soon. Shame when your heros are really your enemies lol. Fox and the republicans are mainly hurting there own base here.

[PaleLittleGirl1]

HAHAHA

ridiculous

man, i watch fox for the comedy nowadays

[Melpheos1er]

i agree, fox news is only a few steps away from Comedy Central in term of comedy.

[Francebrasil]

I would agree, but they don´t me make laugh...

[nekedemus]

Few steps? seven-league boots.

[britzman1]

the irony is as obvious as the massive erection i have right now

[mintvagoo]

Fox News producer facing child porn charges after federal agents discovered photos and videos on his computer.

thesmokinggun(DOT)com/archive/­years/2009/0210093foxnews1.htm­l

[poop121]

who/what the fuck is a gingrich spox?

[TrollBuster9090]

A Gingrich Spox is:

A) A communicable disease (abb. Smallpox).

B) An infamous fat Vulcan who was the former speaker of the Federation Congressional House.

C) A Spokesperson for Newt Gingrich.

D) All of the above.

[entropyfu]

what's a gingrich spox?

[bkarwin]

Totalitarian impulses -- like wiretapping American telephone communications without a warrant? Launching a war of choice based on false evidence, to benefit your VP's former company? Ruining the careers of diplomats who expose the fraud in your foreign policy? Harassing a voter-registration organization because more voters statistically means more votes for the opposition party?

[ETericET]

Well now isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.

[greyflcn]

Within the same sentence.

Cutting off a senator ramble on about nothing for an "Extra moment"

Versus blacking out debate for 2 days.

Man

[gallomex13]

No is not totalitarian is work ethic, unlike the fuck ups Republicans who take our tax money just to sit on a mother fucking chair.

[snarkwaupaca]

If the really turn evil they will start making the people they disagree with meet in the basement in the capitol. Just like the republicans forced the democrats to do in 2005.

[Mernie9]

Harry Reid stopped the reading of the bill? And that was bad? What about the GOP congressman who tried to stall the debate by asking that Barney Frank's 700 page amendment be read aloud? Oh, wait, these were all reasonable requests. What was I thinking?

[TrollBuster9090]

Actually Reid didn't stop anything. He'd do better if he had a spine to do things like that, but he doesn't. Ironically, he should borrow Nancy Pelosi's balls.

Bernie Sanders introduced a 700 page amendment and the Republicans asked that the clerk READ the entire thing into the record on the floor (something never done) as a delaying tactic. Rather than waste two or three days doing that, Sanders withdrew his own amendment.

[Mglosk]

Wow, talk about projecting. I mean the republicans are the last people to talk about totalitarianism, they way they would force bills through, what a bunch of assholes. The dems is anything have been to nice. The Dems need to show more balls.

[awerner2007]

someone should have made the republicans read the patriot act.

[MaladaptiveCatalyst]

@awerner2007 great point.

[jjrglobal]

You are right they should have made someone read the patriot act. Why didn't they make someone read the patriot act. I for one am glad they required that the bill be read aloud. They should make every bill be read aloud and every bill should contain a single objective. No more 3000 page horseshit bills that no one can comprehend.

[frostwolf1]

It's a flaw in the system, because if the laws aren't specific (in other words, long as hell), they're left for our judges and bureaucracy to interpret any way they want. But the lawyers congress relies on to craft these bills in a legally applicable manner often work for corporate interests or lobbying groups, and they can "tweak" the language to add loopholes or hidden meanings without much of congress even noticing.

[TrollBuster9090]

There's generally a revolving door between congressional staffers and lobby groups, but sometimes they just cut out the middle man and let the damned lobby groups write the legislation directly.

Medicare Part D (2003) was written directly by the pharmaceutical companies and then handed to Congress. After it was passed,staffers Downs, Easton (now back working for Max Baucus), and McManus promptly quit to take up top dollar jobs in the Pharma industry.

[bigc028282]

On both sides!

VOTE EM ALL OUT IN 2010. Maybe then, we can get some real representation.

Term limits, no lobbyists beyond constituents, GREAT PAY cause your not going to lobby when your done with your limited service. Enforced legislation's like the LOGAN ACT. NO groups like CFR, Trilateral commission, G-whatthefuckever, Bilderberg, Acorn, Unionswithmoney(gov workers union being the largest), and the rest. "TIME TO READ BILLS" would be great.THEY must all vote! WHAT ELSE??

[TrollBuster9090]

Of those things TERM LIMITS would probably be the easiest to get, (ie-as in NEXT to impossible, as opposed to COMPLETELY impossible.) However, as a result of some recent dumbass court decisions the power of corporations and lobby groups over Congress is only going to increase.

*sigh*

[bigc028282]

What would happen if we voted them all out with as many non-professional politicians as we can find? What if ENFORCED legislation broke up the manopoy of "news" that now exists? GE/comcast make more off agenda's, than providing us with news.

What is the definition of "politics" anyway? It's not "who gets the payoffs", I know that.

The first thing we need is to have the BS P-ACT rescinded! Who ever voted against it the first round can stay. Do you know how did?

[TrollBuster9090]

I haven't kept track recently. I know Dennis Kuchinich did because of his one liner at one of the Democratic presidential nomination debates.

Somebody commented that he voted no on the Patriot Act and he said "Yea, because I read it!" Don't know if it's true or not, but it was funny.

[bigc028282]

Fiengold did. He said it when he was debating in his second campaign. The other guy said, you didn't even vote for the P-act, and he said...... what you posted. He also put a "commandments" for his job of representing, on the garage doors at his home in Wis.

I see you are well read.

[TrollBuster9090]

Not well read enough to spell Kucinich's name right, apparently. ;)

[bigc028282]

:) I don't know if I got Fiengolds right???

I find it interesting that some would worry about that, instead of the facts and points in posts.

I see the "party line" continues to post around our discussion, but has nothing to say about it.

[bigc028282]

I had you blocked, and I unblocked because you obviously can agree to disagree. WE need much more of that, instead of this "non discussion" of issues that is going on.

[TrollBuster9090]

Why thank you, but I can be a partisan prick as well. It all just depends on what kind of a mood I'm in. :)

[bigc028282]

I have my days as well! :) The "news" doesn't help:)