@mia0899cs Jackie was right. Texas oil baron Clint Murchison had nearly unrivaled power in Texas. Other LBJ's cronies were also involved. Attorney Edward Clark, Malcom Wallace. Even at the book depository building sniper's nest, the one fingerprint that could never be identified has recently been identified as Malcom Wallace's. JFK had many enemies, and 22 NOV 63 was a coup d'etat, nothing more, nothing less. Billions were made from his death, power was (re)gained, and Oswald innocent.
I was 6 y/o when they murdered my President. It changed my life forever. I have never trusted my government. I grew up scared to death I was going to be drafted into an unjust lie of a war.But ever since I was 6y/o I have wondered who really killed JFK. I'm 54 y/o now. I also wonder why.. Who and Why are important questions here. LBJ ? J Edgar ? The Mob ? << All responsible . All guilty in my oppinion.
I study the JFK case for a long while now and it is not impossible that it was multiple parties on the assassination. CIA, Mafia, LBJ, Operation 40, Alpha 66, Castro, Hoover. Kennedy was I think the best president americans had with a mind for peace and untity. Check wich orders directly under LBJ where changed in a short while. Follow the money and the power to find the killers. Too bad normal citizens like Bowers that spoke out died under suspicious curcomstances. It is a shame, may JFK R.I.P.
@ricotermonen I think it's very possible that it was multiple parties as well. Many were pissed off at Kennedy. Kennedy died a hero. I don't think we'll ever have another President like him. Jackie Kennedy's tapes, which she made a few weeks after the assassination, will air on ABC in September. Caroline wanted them released. Jackie said LBJ and a Texas Tycoon killed her husband. I feel John Kennedy, Jr. was also killed. He was going to run for Senator of NY.
@mia0899cs Thanks for the info on those Jackie Kennedy tapes, we don't have ABC in holland but I will check the internet for it. I have also seen videos and statements about LBJ and mighty oiltycoons. Kennedy did something with taxes on oil, so indeed they had a motive. And yes I think also jr could have been a great senator. Let's hope some day (2017) will reveall a lot when new FBI documents are released.
@ricotermonen You're welcome. I hope that they don't focus on Jackie's extramarital affairs. The truth needs to be revealed and it's long overdue. I'm sure it will be all over the internet after the program airs. Yes, I'm hoping that day will come when the new FBI documents are released too and that they will reveal the truth. Only then JFK will have justice finally served. Based on this cover up what are your thoughts on 9-11-01 regarding the hijacked planes?
@mia0899cs ..The 9/11 disaster is just as strange if you want to believe 9/11 documentary called 9/11 coincidences here on youtube. I watched a lot of docus on the subject, but I still doubt that that was an inside job. After a while it's obvious that some things that happened there are strange, but I myself as a non american will not assume anything in that case, because that case or comments about it are still very sensitive around the world. 1 thing I sure, war is bad.
@mia0899cs ..The 9/11 disaster is just as strange if you want to believe 9/11 documentary called 9/11 coincidences here on youtube. I watched a lot of docus on the subject, but I still doubt that that was an inside job. After a while it's obvious that some things that happened there are strange, but I myself as a non american will not assume anything in that case, because that case or comments about it are still very sensitive around the world. 1 thing Is sure, war is bad.
@mia0899cs I have always felt that there were several groups involved in JFK's assassination, as he and his brother were pissing off a lot of people!
They were dismantling the CIA, they were pulling troops out of VN, they wanted to inspect the Dimona "textile" factory in israel, AND they were going to enact Executive Order 11110, thus threatening the stranglehold the Fed had over the US!
Sounds like plenty of motive!
Ultimately, it was the jewish banksters who orchestrated both hits!
@ricotermonen Check out 'Executive Action'.That movie was made in '73, and it includes a witness death list at the end and the mathematical probability of these deaths occurring within I think less than 5 years after the 'Event' were one in about...the rest of this page in a number that had about a hundred zeros after it.
@bumcheek7 ..funny allready saw that very movie 3 weeks ago, it is on youtube, but thank you anyway, it was indeed a good movie that I didn't see before. After that I looked for scenes of the Oliver Stone JFK to study the Mister X scene and by accident found the complete movie on youtube as well. Indeed EA is a good movie.
LBJ I think was definatly in it. He had the limo cleaned and rebuild in secret. He had the connections to the texan oilmen who Kennedy cut on taxes or something. His misstress said he was in. Interviews also on tube. His tie to Malcolm Wallace should be checked, and he ordered some documents not to be released in their lifetime, why o why would he do that if he had nothing to hide? Why where all the secr servicemen on his car? It was their turf, the Milteer tape should be checked as well etc etc
If there were other shooters, grassy knoll or where ever, were dead the soon after they did their jobs thats the way it works when you want to keep something secret.
@DaBadger354 That's true. However, we need to know who ordered the assassination. Carol Ann Kenedy is releasing her mom's tapes. I will do a vid on it but so far I only know that the tapes said that LBJ and a rich Texas Tycoon ordered it.
There is a point where the big fish is way too big to haul into the boat, so you let him go. That is what happened. In 1963 or 1964, could LBJ have been indicted for murder? Dulles? Hunt (CIA) or Huny (Big Oil)? Rockefeller? Think about it and realize the truth.
Bowers saw the murder, in essence. Nice try insiders to attack the truth, but the fact remains that with the death of JFK, true freedom died in the USA and we are left with a fascist government. Well, this is what we get for helping NAZIS escape justice after WW2.
Most people don't believe The Warren Commission Report. They didn't then and they don't now by an even bigger margin.They just used good old common sense and no one man could have done this.Jack Ruby made sure there was no trial by killing Oswald.It looked like a hit to me and any dumb bunny who thinks he shot Oswald out of grief over the president just can't think.Ruby was into organized crime.
@GGE47 Then you need somebody to bump off Ruby so he wouldn't talk, Then the guy who bumped off Ruby would have to be hit so he wouldn't talk......ans so on and so on ad infinitem......There's too many holes in the Ruby angle.....
@CUALL8R Why do you think he died of cancer in January,1967.His mob connections were so close that he had to do what he was told.He had too easy access to the jail where Oswald to be moved from.He was well known to the Dallas police.The official story on how he entered the place is a lie.
@mia0899cs Bill Newman was a witness and so wasn't Charles Brehm. Nobody made them "not credible". John and Nellie Connally were witnesses and nobody made them look "not credible". So was Buell Frasier, Johny Brewer, Harold Norman, Jackie Kennedy and Abe Zapruder and none of these people were made to look "not credible". There are dozens of more names I could add to the list but limited space precludes that. So who are the witnesses who were "made to be not credible"?
@mia0899cs I agree !! Jean Hill changed her story over the years. Go back and watch the first interviews with her after the assassinationand then look at later ones. ( Or her Book ) She just wanted to be famous like her friend Mary Moorman. This book is not very creditable.
@scrollandkey Lol no chance. It was behind the picket fence. People saw the shooter and most heard it come from there. There may have been a shooter down there but he had no shot to take.
@ChristianHolloway7 Nobody saw a shooter on the grassy knoll or behind the picket fence. There is zero forensic evidence to support claims the president was struck from the front or side. If you have a problem with this then take it up with Dr. Michael who chaired the 9 panel team of forensic pathologists who all agreed to this finding.
Having dealt with you conspiracy cultists for the past 20+ years your answer speaks volumes. It means your clueless about the facts of the assassination and the subsequent investigations. It means the ONLY stuff you've looked at is the goofy conspiracy material. You "cultists" can't even agree on a single conspiracy. You've got different people shooting at JFK from different positions in Dealey Plaza using different weapons, firing different ammo
@ChristianHolloway7 firing a different number of shots and all of the gunman escaping the Plaza totally undetected! So who was behind it? You goofballs can't even agree on that either! It was the Mob! No..it was the FBI! No..it was the Military Industrial Complex! No.. it was Cuban exiles! No..it was Hoover! No..it was LBJ! No..it was Nixon! No..it was Bush! No...it was the Warren Commission! No..it was the Vatican! LOL!! You bozos have accused 80 different groups and over 250 different people
@ChristianHolloway7 of having planned, executed and covered up the assassination!! Plus..somehow all of these people you've accused have been able to keep it covered up for nearly 50 years!!! That's hysterical!! To keep this crime under wraps not only would they have to keep silent but all the staff and support personal of all the government agencies you birdbrains have accused would have to stay quiet, their families, their friends, ALL of the media in the world, their staff, their families,
@ChristianHolloway7 their friends. Plus you'd have to include the generations of people in the families that would have to keep quiet too!
"Mommy...wasn't grandpa Bill the janitor who worked in the State Department when president Kennedy alive"? "Hush Suzie! You know how we're supposed to not talk about president Kennedy"!!! "Sorry Mommy. I forgot".
You go right on believing there is a massive conspiracy of silence involving hundreds of thousands of people born and unborn!! LOL! Nutbag!
@autoad Uncovering a conspiracy is not an easy thing. This plan was very well executed and it didn't take that many people to do it. Certainly not thousands. So determining exactly who did it is not a piece of cake. What any logical, sensible person will conclude taking into account the evidence, the facts, the inconsistencies in the official story, is that it was a conspiracy. But is you want to continue to live in la-la land, that's your prerrogative.
@piscesman54 But you said it WAS a conspiracy which means you uncovered it. As a former conspiracy believer I have to say that I was not thinking logically when I subscribed to that school of thought. When I began to think clearly and ask some obvious questions is the moment I began to challenge my beliefs.
What inconstancies are there in the official story?
@autoad Your logic is distorted. Of course there was a conspiracy. That doesn't mean that we have to wait until we have it all down pat to arrive at that conclusion. That will probably never happen given the destruction of evidence, the witnesses that were made to pass away, etc. That's precisely what the cover up is for. As far as the inconsistencies, you'd almost need to write an encyclopedia to list them all.
@autoad I'll start with the most obvious one. Ballistics. No body hit by a bullet lurches in the same direction the bullet came from. This is simple fourth grade physics. The Zapruder film, even as altered up as it is, clearly shows that the fatal shot came from the front. Kennedy's brains are splattered all over the trunk of the car and even hit the motorcycle cop to the back and the left. That proves more than one gunman, and therefore, a conspiracy. How is that hard to understand?
@piscesman54 But there were 9 forensic pathologists who examined the autopsy records, the x-rays and photos and all 9 of them, including Dr. Cyril Wecht who said the president was struck twice from above and behind.JFK actually moves forward about 2" at Z-frame 313-314. Bullets do not transfer their energy to the target. They're designed to pass through the target. The 4th grade physics don't apply to bullets.
If the Z-film was altered, what specifically was altered and for what purpose? The
@autoad Yes, there were 9 pathologists, all under close guard of government agents. Some of them later testified that the autopsy was completely botched. The body didn't even arrive in the same casket it was put in in Dallas. And of course bullets transfer part of their energy to the target they hit, especially if they're are explosive. Besides that, there are zillions of unanswered questions, not to mention the ones that weren't even asked. But hey, you can believe whatever you want to.
@piscesman54 particulate matter that came from the head-shot went forward. It covered John and Nellie Connally as well as agents Greer and Kellerman. The motorcycle policeman was hit by some of the spray because the spray got caught into the headwind of the limo. There were wind gusts up to 20 mph that day and the limo was driving directly into the wind. Al the medical, ballistic and physical evidence were in agreement. No evidence of any conspiracy.
@autoad There were oodles of witnesses that either saw or heard shots coming from the grassy knoll. Strangely they all died mostly violent deaths within 2 to 3 years after the assasination. Some offered their witness and were turned down by the Warren commission. Come on, you've got to be blind not see it. The whole Oswald story is simply not believable. He simply could not have done alone. He was an average marksman using a piece of shit for a weapon.
@piscesman54 Nobody saw a gunman shooting from the grassy knoll. Not one single person. Oswald scored a 48/50 and 49/50 in the Marines while rapid firing at 200 yards. The longest shot in Dealey Plaza was 88 yards that is well within his range. The "magic bullet" was linked ballistically to his rifle, the bullet fragments were found to the front of JFK were linked ballistically as well. The idea of a conspiracy is foolish and not feasible. To keep a secret for 50 years isn't believable.
@autoad You're wrong,buddy. The deaf-dumb guy so to guys there, one passing a rifle to the other. The railroad worker from the tower corroborated. I suppose all the people running up the grassy knoll who had heard the shots, including several police officers, were doing so because they were promised a free hamburger.
How do you explain Oswalds defection and return to the US without so much as debriefing. What about his and Ruby's links to the CIA and the FBI? It simply doesn't add up.
@autoad The simple fact is you can't believe it because you can't get your head around it. It's too scary. It strikes at the heart of America's most sacred institutions. Either that, or you are simply a paid propagandist. 3 out of 4 Americans believe it was a conspiracy and spite of everything that's been done by people like you to cover it up. You don't get it. It's continued to be covered up because the same forces that did it are the ones running the show since then. For obvious reasons.
@piscesman54 All you've done is repeat conspiracy nonsense.
Do you have ANY evidence (I'm talking about real evidence not opinion, guesses, assumptions but real documents, forensics, ballistics etc). to back up your assertion?
@autoad All you're doing is saying: "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up". As for evidence, you'll find it all over the web, but you don't care to look, or simply brush it off as "conspiracy nonsense". You know what? It's because of people with your mindset that JKF, and later RFK and MLK were able to be pulled off. Not to mention 9/11. But you can rejoice, you'll have another one coming around soon, except this time you may not survive to believe any story.
@autoad And by way, the Marine Corp does not and never did use Mannlicker-Carcanno rifles, and the scores are taken shooting at still targets, not moving ones. As for the magic bullet, it's easier to believe that my 90-year old grandmother can win the Miss Unverse contest. Bullet fragments? The bullet was supposed to have been found in pristine condition after going flesh and bone tissue. It's ludicrous.
@piscesman54 True about the MC rifle. However Connelly was stting in a jump seat that was lower and to the left of JFK's seating position. Thus the line of fire would be consistent with a shot from the School Book Depository Bldg. The bullet was never "pristine". I'll never know where that one came from it as I never found it in the Warren Commission report.
@scrollandkey If there was a shooter in the storm drain they would never have been able to hit the president. There's no view of the "target" when you're down there.
@scrollandkey How is it that 9 forensic pathologists who examined JFK's autopsy report, x-rays and photos all said that there is zero evidence of the president being shot from the front or side? Can you explain why if he was shot from the front or side from the storm drain, that there's no entry wound to correspond with the shot? Why is this?
@LoneNutter1 I can only imagine those pathologists were pressured to agree with a predetermined conclusion. Just like the Chief of Police Jesse Curry had already determined that Oswald was the only shooter. Dr. Crenshaw at Parkland was one of the first to examine Kennedy. He observed a exit wound at the rear of the head.
@LoneNutter1 Apparently they couldnt examine the body properly because of the military thugs in the room who were running the show. They wouldnt let them perform their neccesary duties.
A question for you on another topic. Do you really think an experienced police officer like Roger Craig
could misidentify a rifle when he examined it from 8inches away.
"stamped on right the barrell of the rifle was 7.65 Mauser. - Roger Craig
@scrollandkey That's complete baloney about the "military thugs" running the autopsy! If anyone was interfering with the autopsy it was Bobby Kennedy. JFK's physician was in the autopsy room and he was acting at RFK's spokesperson. They did not what JFK's body fully autopsied and were sending messages into the autopsy room to hurry things along.
The police office who ID'd the rifle was Eugene Boone. He later stated he called it a "Mauser" because of the bolt action. You can see his testimony
@scrollandkey here on YouTube during the Oswald trial held in London. Sometimes when the stress level is highly charged (like when someone is shot in public) people can make a mistake. There were hundreds of "mistakes" made that day by people we regularly trust. When an error is made we need not make immediate leaps by assuming it was done to cover-up something.
Do you hold out the possibility Roger Craig could have been mistaken? Or is he infallible?
Dorothy Kilgallen, a crime reporter of the New York Journal, obtained a private interview with Jack Ruby. She told friends that she had information that would "break the case wide open". Aware of what had happened to Bill Hunter and Jim Koethe, she handed her interview notes to her friend Margaret Smith. On 8th November, 1965, Kilgallen, was found dead. It was reported she had committed suicide. Her friend, Margaret Smith, died two days later. VERY INTERESTING FOLKS.CHECK IT OUT.
@LoneNutter1 This asshole asked me for prove of witnesses in Dealey Plaza.I sent him a list of 163 VERIFIED WITNESSES & the asshole goes back to his MORONIC conspiracy nuts story.WHAT AN ASSHOLE LOSER. HAHAHA Lone nutter is DUMBER THAN A FIRE HYDRANT. At least THAT has a purpose.Go kill yourself loser.
We can go on and on with JFK's murder. Let's leave it rest now. The facts are these, he was an excellent President who gave us so much and that the whole world still enjoys if everyone just pays attention. If you did not like him, OK. Let's think of the really good things he did. The Kennedy Center is celebrating JFK's amazing achievements of fifty years,online. Check it out and celebrate all the cool things he started for all of us. Even today's generation is prospering from JFK in 2011!:)
@TheJohnlennongirl Sorry, lady, but very little of what Kennedy died for remains. That day the American dream became a nightmare, and that's what it's been since then. The American government was hijacked by the Secret Government, and they've been running it ever since. Kennedy never would have stood for a piece of legislation like the Patriot Act. That's precisely why discovering the truth on his death matters.
I love how anti-truth movement folks always seem to be convinced that someone else convinced us of something and we've been manipulated. If it helps your ego to think we can't possibly have just picked up on thw wrongness of the world on our own, great. Meanwhile, in reality, many of us asked our own questions and thus pursued these subjects. Especially things like 9/11, which was obviously not done by "Islamists" to anyone with any critical thinking skills.
@Siva3Enthroned - The Parkland doctors and nurses ALL said UNANIMOUSLY with their HANDS ON, PROFESSIONAL, eyewitness accounts, that the BACK OF JFK's HEAD was BLOWN OUT from what they presumed was a massive exit wound. They didn't look for an entry head wound. This, plus the fact that the "autopsy" didn't trace any of the bullet wounds, sets up STRONG SUSPICION of a cover up to pin it on Oswald. The WC printed their testimony, but ignored it. It was a military execution, IMO.
@Tomaji69 could you imagine oswald's trial -these doctors called to testify- exit wounds in kennedy don't line up with a shot from behind???-besides all the witnesses pointing to a fronal shot- plus the intact bullet- the prosecution would claim hit kennedy and connelly-smashing bones-then connally himself claiming to be hit by a separate bullett.-that is why the fix had to be put in -remember that line in the movie china town -"hey jake- it's china town"-hey everybody-it's texas.
@Siva3Enthroned - It's not being judgmental to say "The car is moving slowly". All I said was she sounds drunk or on codeine or something like that. Well, you DO hear it don't you? Instead of picking on my observations, pick your nose - you'll get more out of it.
Some facts: 1) Jean Hill published her book when she was in her early 60's, not 70. 2) Jean Hill had been promoting her story long before she ever put it to paper. 3) Though Hill is famous for claiming to see a man shooting from the grassy knoll, in a televised interview just hours after the shooting, Jean Hill said that while she did believe the shots came from the grassy knoll, she in fact did not see anyone shooting from that position.
like a retard i posted about the 4 murdered presidents twice..my apologies. and i have no idea where "these people all had something to do" came from or what it implied or where i was going with it.
sooooooo why isn't it thesable that they wouldn't do the same in our country if they didn't agree with his views? I'm not claiming I know...but you don't know either....you really don't know if somebody put him up to it.
texas had oil- guns -cia- underworld- and alot of racists cops- yeah kennedy was in their turf- he came back in a box and a corrupt texan took over- duh.
Jean Hill was a common opportunist who made up a story about seeing a gunman on the grassy knoll. She inserted herself onto the "witness" stage 19 years after the assassination. She's a "interesting" person who's memory of the assassination improved over time. She and Mary Moorman were interviewed by television news shortly after the shooting. She said she didn't see anyone firing at the president. She told the WC she didn't see anybody with a gun. She was a fraud.
She's reading from Jean Hill's book?? OMG what a horrid piece of fiction written by a woman who changed her story and made up stories so she would be famous. Conspiracy nuts thrive on this garbage and consider it "truth" regardless if it happened or not.
@LoneNutter1 You're wrong! Jean Hill waited until she was 70 y.o. to publish her book. They discredited her from the start becaue she was an eye witness. Forget about her book, LHO couldn't have made the fatal head shot. Warren Commission - Parkland Hospital stated that the entry point was right temporal lobe and exit point back of head blowing his skull and brains out. They were past the TSBD. Case closed. Who assassinated JFK? Only question you need to worry about.
@mia0899cs Jean Hill is one of the biggest fabricators of a story that's walked the earth in the past 100 years. Even Gerry Spence didn't call he as a witness for the Oswald trial in London because he knew Bugliosi would have torn her story to shreds on the witness stand. She had zero credibility and revealed herself as a person of shallow character. Go ahead and believe he story if you want. While you're at it, add the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause to your list of believable things.
@bibbler227 There was no white fluffy dog in the limo. There were a dozen red roses sitting on the seat. In the heat of the moment it's understandable how people thought they saw things that didn't happen. Bill Newman, who was across from Hill and Moorman said he saw the president "stand up" in the limo. Jean Hill however had a remarkable ability of having her memory and vision improve over time. 19 years after the shooting she came up with a story about how she saw a gunman on the knoll.
@bibbler227 She testified at the Warren Commission and she said "I never saw anybody with a gun". 19 years later she changes her story, writes a book, signs autographs etc. She was nothing more than a common opportunist who exploited the assassination to make a buck by fabricating a phony story.
@bibbler227 Jean Hill thought she saw a white dog in the limo, but it was Jackie's purse. It was a way of discrediting her because she was an eyewitness. They even tried to kill her.
@mia0899cs You're right. I was wrong. Jean Hill waited 26 years after the assassination to tell her "new and improved story". She is partially responsible for discrediting herself when she spoke about the little white dog in the presidential limo. There was no dog of any kind in the limo. Some have tried to rescue that portion of the story by claiming it was the hand-puppet Lamb Chop made famous by Sheri Lewis, given to Jackie at Love Field. The latest information says it was a bouquet of asters
@mia0899cs that jackie received along with the dozen red roses presented at Love Field.
There no doubt LHO fired the weapon that killed the president and wounded Connolly. It was an easy shot that's been duplicated a number of times. The medical people at Parkland were trying to save the live of the president and they did not perform an examination of the body. In fact, they never turned the body over. If they had, they would have seen the wound to his back. Forensic pathologists examine the
@mia0899cs remains of the president to establish cause of death. The back of the president's head was intact and the front was intact as well. he wound is to the right upper side of his head. The Zapruder film shows that. The X-rays show that as well. The nine forensic pathologists who were charged by the HSCA with examining the autopsy photos, x-rays and reports all stated there is no available medical evidence to support any shots striking the president from the front or side.
@mia0899cs There is ZERO evidence that the president was struck by different bullets fired from a different weapon(s).
Jean Hill told a story to a television reporter that she didn't see anyone with a gun. She told the Warren Commission the same thing. 26 years later, she changes the story significantly by saying she saw a man with a rifle on the knoll and he fired at the president.
By all appearance, she changed her story so she could become famous. This business of someone
@mia0899cs threatening her is silly. She published the book in 1992 and she died in 2000. If someone was going to get rid of her to keep her quiet they would have bumped her off long before she wrote the book. But the people who threatened her took 8 years to find her (after she's told her story and attended conspiracy conventions signing autographs) and then knock her off. Really? Are the forces of evil talented enough to cover-up the greatest crime in history but take 8 years to find Jean Hill
@mia0899cs Why waste your time discussing this topic with anyone who still adheres to the mythology of LHO acting as a lone gunman??? Move forward and only discuss with educated people who know better. This is the problem with our country today is that the truly educated try and dissuade the lower socioeconomic bumpkins who seem to propulgate the species at a truly alarming rate. America lost its innocence when the government headed by JFK was overthrown. By the way, I am not a liberal.
@mia0899cs The doctors at Parkland never said "the entry wound was to the right temporal lobe and exit point back of head blowing his scull and brain out". The forensic pathologists who performed the autopsy in 1963 identified the entry wounds to the president as the upper back and the rear of his head. The nine pathologists in 1979 for the HSCA reviewed all the photos, x-rays and reports from the original autopsy and confirmed the findings. No shots struck the president from the front or side.
@LoneNutter1 There is overwhelming evidence of the contrary. It is painfully obvious to any idiot that it wasn't Oswald either way, given military men could barely recreate his shooting on the day, and he was a terrible shot. Not to mention the gun he supposedly shot Kennedy with being in such poor condition when it was found it had to be refurnished before being test fired. Not to mention there is an abundance of evidence that the government editted the Zapruder film.
@Siva3Enthroned Your message is filled with incorrect information.
1.Oswlad's shots have been reproduced on a number of occasions. If you'd like more information on who, when and where it was done I'll be happy to supply it.
2. He was not a terrible shot. He qualified as Marksman and Sharpshooter while in the Marines.
3. There is no testimony nor evidence that the Mannlicher was refurbished before being test fired.
4.The Z-film has never been altered. The logistics to alter the film would have
@Siva3Enthroned been impossible. First of all the Z-film was in the possession of Abraham Zapruder from the moment it was filmed to the time it was processed for development. Second, when it was developed there were three copies made of the film.One copy to the FBI, one to the Secret Service. If one of the copies were altered after being developed the one of the other copies or the original would reveal the alteration. But just for the sake of argument let's say the Z-film was altered. It would
@Siva3Enthroned mean that all the other photos and film taken in Dealey Plaza would have to be altered so they would be in agreement of any of the altered images in the Z-film. There were scores of people with movie cameras, Polaroids, and personal cameras. Someone(s) would have to confiscate all the film and photos, alter them, and get them back to the original owners without raising suspicion. Plus, all the film shot by the television stations would have to be collected and all the still shots
@Siva3Enthroned taken by the newspapers would have to be gathered up.
The accusation the Zapruder film was altered is wholly ridiculous and totally without merit. if you ask some simple questions and use a little common sense it's easily revealed that it would have been impossible to "fake" the film. Furthermore, there was no technology in 1963 that could have created or altered the images on the film without it being painfully obvious to the average person.
@mia0899cs Jean Hill changed her story about what she saw 29 years after the assassination. She told the media within a few hours of the shooting and the Warren Commission that she didn't see anyone with a gun. I'll be happy to provide you with the web address so you can read her testimony to the Warren Commission.
But 29 years after the assassination her eyesight and memory suddenly improve where she recalls seeing a man on the grassy knoll shooting at the JFK. There is clear and convincing
@mia0899cs evidence that Jean Hill wasn't a very good witness. This is born out by what she said during her testimony to the Warren Commission not about what she saw, but what she claims she did during and after the shooting.
I'm sure Jean Hill was a nice lady but she clearly wanted to be famous and attached her name to this historic event. It's interesting to note that her story about the gunman on the knoll changed after the alleged image of "Badgeman" emerged. She's not a credible source.
@mia0899cs Check out the google video that SHOWS his skull hanging off after being shot---it's on my front page.
JFK was definitely killed in a conspiracy.Question is was it hitmen from France-mobsters-hired by the CIA&fbi or the CIA doing the actual hit themselves?Check it out
@LoneNutter1 -- You've got the 'nut' market cornered, profuse disinfoteer-of-a-dozen-youtube-monickers. So you should know what 'nutters' thrive on, love & admire. As your endless revisions of reality prove, tireless supporter of the fantasy fable created by those leading lights of Lone Nut 'truth' -- The egomaniacal self-loathing cross-dresser J Edgar Hoover, blackmailed by Mafia & responsible for thousands of murders & crime victims of organized crime, and the pathologic powermad killer LBJ.
@starmanskye And you've not one shred of evidence to support your screwy theory. You CT'ers have had nearly 50 years to come up with something and you've failed miserably.
@LoneNutter1 - The CIA did it and you know it, government hack. Let me guess, you also believe that TWA Flight 800 was hit by a meteor, and that 9/11 was perpetrated by the bogeyman Arab, lol. Whenever the federal government puts an investigation together, you can rest assured that they will place the blame on anyone BUT the federal government. They do whatever's in their best interests, people be damned. If you're American, you should know this.
@LongLiveOx You have a problem. You say the CIA did it. Someone else says the FBI. Others say it was Big Oil, the Mob, unhappy Cuban exiles, the illuminati, LBJ, Nixon, Bush, Hoover, Martians (I'm not kidding) . About 250 individuals have been accused of killing JFK along with 80 different organizations. Do the conspiracy nuts plan on accusing scores of innocent people in their sad, feeble and irresponsible attempt to discover the truth? The truth was found long ago. You knuckleheads are silly.
@LoneNutter1 "You have a problem. You say the CIA did it. Someone else says the FBI. Others say it was Big Oil, the Mob, unhappy Cuban exiles, the illuminati, LBJ, Nixon, Bush, Hoover, Martians (I'm not kidding)"...did you really list these names and "innocent" in the same paragraph? really? i mean..sure we may never know if LHO had someone pulling his strings...but...even the Presidents mentioned in this are far from "innocent"...the CIA has no problem ousting a puppet dictator for replacement
@LoneNutter1 do you have proof of their innocence? as i said..i don't claim to know..but you seem to have omitted that part. An again..my reference of innocence doesn't relate to just the JFK assassination. We all know the CIA has pulled some crazy inhumane shit and have been working for years to overthrow governments, and use trained assasssins. They recruited the top nazi scientists after ww2 instead of jailing them, we had Project MKUltra, That much is fact.
@prawdaeh Are you saying we should abandon our judicial process where a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty?
Or do you suggest we now accuse people of crimes and they have to prove themselves innocent??
Are you serious????!!!!
We don't prove innocence in this county we prove guilt. The CT'ers have accused hundreds of people/groups of being involved with this crime and they've produced nothing to support their accusation.
ok...the comment in my Inbox and the last comment i see from you differ in respectability. You can suspect someone without accusing them. And did i say anything about sentencing anybody? I asked for proof of their innocence...can you provide it? ANd yes...in this country we do prove innocence in a matter of ways...it's just that we're supposedly considered innocent until proven guilty..which is not the norm i receive from american citizens. again..even innocents can be suspects.
@prawdaeh When the government brings charges against an individual for crimes, the burden of proof falls to the accuser. They have to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. The defense (or accused) have no burden to prove anything. I fail to see the purpose for all the people and groups who've been accused by the Ct'ers to prove their innocence. I have some questions; who would the accused prove their innocence to? By what means? In what venue? Who would decide guilt or innocence?
@LoneNutter1 I'm simply asking you if you can prove to anybody that they had no involvement...you can't...nobody can.. we can't even prove they did. you seem to think I'm claiming they are guilty...when I've openly admitted I don't know if they had anything to do with it or not. but still ask me for proof of their guilt...which i admit i don't have.. but you can't tell me how you know that they had no involvement, only that the WC dictated there was no conspiracy.
@prawdaeh I don't have to prove innocence and I'm not about to start. That would be a monumental task for which I fear the end result would not get fair consideration. There are those who have made up their minds and no matter how clear and convincing the evidence these closed minded people would disregard it.
Some of the CT'ers behave like an angry mob. Fairness, truth, honesty are immaterial to them. some have told me that the government is guilty and nothing will change their minds.
@LoneNutter1 you have to remember...my intial statement about innocence was your referal to nixon, bush, the cia, the fed whatever else you listed...and while you were refering to the case of JFK and the accused innocence....i simply stated that...none of the names you listed are "innocent" people imo..watergate..WMD's that don't exist. drug smuggling, mk ultra.. inflation and deflation, depressions, all real occurances. dirty shit man...nazi scientists that should've been jailed or executed.
and again...i did'nt expect you to prove anything...just attempting to make the point that, just as you reminded me of the warren commission - this is still open to speculation. I believe you took me a little out of context and, I don't think that's hard to do with my mannerisms so I'm not placing fault. Please have a good night man and thanks for the discussion...I'm truly fascinated by the JFK administration and the downfall of it, and i wish he had recieved his 8 years of presidency.
@LoneNutter1 and WITH some of the things the US government has done in the last 70 years and even prior to said time frame, I can't say I'm inclined to trust their verdict, especially with the amount of hidden facts and overlooked possibilities. You do...and I'm fine with that...I'm not trying to convince you otherwise...No..i cannot produce proof of guilt...but you cannot prove to me, or anyone else for that matter that they had no involvement. We who don't know..just want to know. that's all.
@prawdaeh Now, the Warren Commission did not say there wasn't a conspiracy. They said they found no evidence of a conspiracy. So they left to door open on that matter.
If the CIA is a suspect, then a full and fair investigation would have to take place. But to accuse the CIA of involvement has to be formulated on more than just a hypothetical motive.
The size of the government is vast and I can say with confidence that agencies , boards and commissions will have disagreements with people who
@LoneNutter1 This reply from you I actually like as you grasp what I'm getting at. Just so you know..i hold no hatred towards you or even dislike...this was simply a discussion between two youtubers, that didn't needlessly resort to name calling and blatent disrespect. Don't confuse me with those who think "THE CIA DID IT!"...i simply find them as a suspect...and i would love for evidence to show up..but it hasn't. I can admit that. I still believe them to be dirty though.
@LoneNutter1 You're the one confused by the facts, buddy. And no such evidence will surface. They've already taken care of that by destroying it and tampering with it.
@prawdaeh are elected to office. But we don't have a history in this country of killing our presidents because we have a disagreement with them.
My objection to the methods of the CT'ers is based on their irresponsible behavior when scores of people and groups are accused of killing the president and they have no proof to support the accusation. Do you know that in the nearly 50 years since Dallas 250 individuals and 80 different groups have been accused of killing JFK? Does this make sense?
@LoneNutter1 You're not getting the point. All of this would be dispelled if the government simply released the information it is holding on the case. But they are not. If this were an ordinary crime suspect, they would already have been forced to produce the information. But not the US secret government. They can't be forced. It endangers "national security". What a load of crock.
and finally..let me ask you this...do you honestly expect a citizen like me to be able to access any kind of evidence that a government agency might be withholding...or trashed? If there ever was any evidence it is surely unavailable. However...I do know the CIA to have pulled some diabolical shit in US history. And attempt to cover it up. So - without being to make an accusation. I firmly believe we as citizens have every RIGHT to suspect, and even question the WC's findings. Thanks..bye.
@LoneNutter1 This is an idiotic argument. This is not about taking it to court. With the amount of tampering with the evidence and whacking of witnesses done in the past 50 years, that would impossible. That's why LHO was killed in the first place. They didn't want him in court. It would have blown the case wide open. This is about the judgement of history. And history has already issued its judgement. An overwhelming majority of people in the world (not just America) believe it was a conspiracy
@LoneNutter1 and my admitted speculation..that i already admitted i don't have KNOWLEDGE of in the post you replied to..is simply that the CIA and other organizations are very CAPABLE of such a thing...and had every reason to. I never said they did anything...i just merely stated it's awful bright to put the names you listed and innocent in the same paragraph. I never implied to KNOW or did i say YES THE CIA DID iT...however...it's very thesable...ignore that and you're gullable or blind.
@prawdaeh Do you have any PROOF the CIA did it? No.
You can have your suspicions, your speculations, your opinions, your guesses but none of that is evidence. And without evidence you can't prove a thing.
Anyone is CAPABLE of committing a crime. But we don't accuse people of a crime at random. We don't walk out the door and grab the first person we see and accuse them of a crime and say "Prove you're innocent"!!.
@LoneNutter1 Bullshit. LHO was not allowed his day in court, and yet he was branded as guilty without the government even pursuing any other line of investigation in spite of numerous conflicting testimonies, so don't give us this sanctimonious legalistic crap.
@LongLiveOx I have no knowledge whatsoever the CIA "did it". And you have no evidence to prove your ridiculous, and irresponsible accusation the CIA "did it".
I AM an American. And I believe we're a nation of laws and not of princes, kings, queens or angry mobs.
The conspiracy theorists have contaminated the discussion of the Kennedy assassination with their outrageous claims of plots, schemes, cover-ups and murders. They are a mob; unruly, irresponsible, silly and inconsequential.
@LoneNutter1 Thank's for a respectable reply to the last comment, again my question was simply why wouldn't the CIA do it? He was a threat to the CIA, he was also a threat to the FED, and even a combatant of Communism. The Warren Commission may have claimed they didn't believe a conspiracy, but I honestly don't believe that was the main focus of their investigation. These people all had something to do. All four presidents in US history to be assassinated disapproved openly of the FED.
@LoneNutter1 I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but simply stating that it doesn't all add up to me. A lot of questionable actions were taken. I don't dispute Oswald could've fired 3 shots in 6 seconds..people have tested the theory and even recreated the bullet that hit both JFK and Connally. However, where in E. Roberts report did he mention pulling 2 agents off the back of JFK's car? Which I haven't seen any mention of until Blaine's book and the c-span inverview with clint hill.
@LoneNutter1 and not to drag this on...but to simply state having suspicions is completely normal. To alot of Americans these corperations are still suspects. And they all have too little transparency, and personally I believe they get away with too much. Even if they DIDN'T set this up some how...they sure had a lot to gain as no president SINCE JFK has stood against the FED or CIA to my knowledge. all 4 of our assassinated US presidents wanted a gold or silver standard. coincidence? maybe
@piscesman54 And they came to that conclusion based on the so-called "recording of the shots" from the Dallas PD. It's been shown conclusively without any doubt and with absolute certainty the recordings were made 90 seconds after the shooting miles away from Dealey Plaza. Therefore, the interpretation of the recording is null and void.
@LoneNutter1 Were you there? The shock and horror of it alone would never leave a person for starters. She was extremely close to their car. Jean told Oprah on her TV show a few years back, that the shooters literally blew his head off!!! How can you come out of trauma that horrendous, as you age, and not be mixed up? Not only that, "they" have tried to murder Jean so many times as "they" have murdered over a hundred other witnesses to JFK's murder. Please show respect as she is terrified.
@TheJohnlennongirl With your logic anyone who wasn't there should keep their opinion to themselves. And that would include you.
You engage in plenty of excuse making for Jean Hill. It's crystal clear she changed her story. Significantly changed her story when she wrote that silly book of fiction. And her claim they tried to murder her. That's total baloney. Who murdered hundreds of witnesses? Do you have a name? An organization? Anything? I suspect not.
@TheJohnlennongirl Hill gave to a Dallas television station 40 minutes after the assassination? Would you like to see the "shock and horror" that's written all over her face, in her voice? Would you like to hear what she said when the reporter asked if she had seen the shooter? I'll send it to you.
Would you like to read her Warren Commission testimony? I can sand that to you as well. Would you like to read what Jean Hill wrote 26 years later (that's a long "shock and horror" recovery time) in
@TheJohnlennongirl that self-serving , co-authored book? I'll send that to you as well.
Do yourself a big favor and get your head out of the irresponsible conspiracy books. They're filled with lies, half-truths, balderdash and baloney. And they were written to make money.
Jean Hill sacrificed the truth in the pursuit of money and fame.
One last thing; Jean Hill is dead. She's been dead for 11 years.
@LoneNutter1 I hear your mommy is trying to reach you. Turn your cell phone on. Her message is that she has run out of batteries for her red lantern. it is the only way her John's can find her ass in the alley at night. Please get some at the WalMart where you work as the bathroom cleaner.
@LoneNutter1 fuck off loser.u don't care about anything u selfish cunt.READ A BOOK asshole.It will get you out of the utter depths of stupidity.I don't care anything about you loser.hahaha
@ed11561 You're telling me to read a book?? It's doubtful that you're able to read. Some publisher must have made a conspiracy "pop-up" book just for you.
Your comments are stupid. You can't form a complete sentence. You can't spell (except for the vile swears) You don't use proper punctuation. You're lazy and don't use the "shift" key for upper case letters where they're needed.
There are single cell life forms that can form complete thoughts better than you. You're shallow and worthless.
@mia0899cs Jackie was right. Texas oil baron Clint Murchison had nearly unrivaled power in Texas. Other LBJ's cronies were also involved. Attorney Edward Clark, Malcom Wallace. Even at the book depository building sniper's nest, the one fingerprint that could never be identified has recently been identified as Malcom Wallace's. JFK had many enemies, and 22 NOV 63 was a coup d'etat, nothing more, nothing less. Billions were made from his death, power was (re)gained, and Oswald innocent.
brabanthallen 2 weeks ago
I was 6 y/o when they murdered my President. It changed my life forever. I have never trusted my government. I grew up scared to death I was going to be drafted into an unjust lie of a war.But ever since I was 6y/o I have wondered who really killed JFK. I'm 54 y/o now. I also wonder why.. Who and Why are important questions here. LBJ ? J Edgar ? The Mob ? << All responsible . All guilty in my oppinion.
jimmyofaden 1 month ago
@jimmyofaden
What a load of bunk!!
At 6 years old you wondered who really killed JFK???
You're so full of crap you're stinking up this thread!
autoad 4 weeks ago
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Sept11Discovery 2 months ago
George H. W. Bush can't remember where he was on that day; he was 39 year old at the time.
Google Bush-Kennedy FBI memos and read.
90% of the public no longer believe the official "story" of Kennedy's death...but 100% of the corporate owned media does. I find that interesting.
Spend an hour and watch the Norman Dodd video to understand the larger picture.
Also - Google / YT "An Act of State" the MLK murder trial 1999
Long Live JFK - 48 years of cover-ups and lies by the govt. and media.
SuspiciousPatriot 3 months ago
Thanks Cindy for the videos you put out. There is a huge need from people like you to keep the questions going. God Bless
andunvme 4 months ago
I study the JFK case for a long while now and it is not impossible that it was multiple parties on the assassination. CIA, Mafia, LBJ, Operation 40, Alpha 66, Castro, Hoover. Kennedy was I think the best president americans had with a mind for peace and untity. Check wich orders directly under LBJ where changed in a short while. Follow the money and the power to find the killers. Too bad normal citizens like Bowers that spoke out died under suspicious curcomstances. It is a shame, may JFK R.I.P.
ricotermonen 5 months ago
@ricotermonen I think it's very possible that it was multiple parties as well. Many were pissed off at Kennedy. Kennedy died a hero. I don't think we'll ever have another President like him. Jackie Kennedy's tapes, which she made a few weeks after the assassination, will air on ABC in September. Caroline wanted them released. Jackie said LBJ and a Texas Tycoon killed her husband. I feel John Kennedy, Jr. was also killed. He was going to run for Senator of NY.
mia0899cs 4 months ago
@mia0899cs Thanks for the info on those Jackie Kennedy tapes, we don't have ABC in holland but I will check the internet for it. I have also seen videos and statements about LBJ and mighty oiltycoons. Kennedy did something with taxes on oil, so indeed they had a motive. And yes I think also jr could have been a great senator. Let's hope some day (2017) will reveall a lot when new FBI documents are released.
ricotermonen 4 months ago
@ricotermonen You're welcome. I hope that they don't focus on Jackie's extramarital affairs. The truth needs to be revealed and it's long overdue. I'm sure it will be all over the internet after the program airs. Yes, I'm hoping that day will come when the new FBI documents are released too and that they will reveal the truth. Only then JFK will have justice finally served. Based on this cover up what are your thoughts on 9-11-01 regarding the hijacked planes?
mia0899cs 4 months ago
@mia0899cs ..The 9/11 disaster is just as strange if you want to believe 9/11 documentary called 9/11 coincidences here on youtube. I watched a lot of docus on the subject, but I still doubt that that was an inside job. After a while it's obvious that some things that happened there are strange, but I myself as a non american will not assume anything in that case, because that case or comments about it are still very sensitive around the world. 1 thing I sure, war is bad.
ricotermonen 4 months ago
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@mia0899cs ..The 9/11 disaster is just as strange if you want to believe 9/11 documentary called 9/11 coincidences here on youtube. I watched a lot of docus on the subject, but I still doubt that that was an inside job. After a while it's obvious that some things that happened there are strange, but I myself as a non american will not assume anything in that case, because that case or comments about it are still very sensitive around the world. 1 thing Is sure, war is bad.
ricotermonen 4 months ago
@mia0899cs I have always felt that there were several groups involved in JFK's assassination, as he and his brother were pissing off a lot of people!
They were dismantling the CIA, they were pulling troops out of VN, they wanted to inspect the Dimona "textile" factory in israel, AND they were going to enact Executive Order 11110, thus threatening the stranglehold the Fed had over the US!
Sounds like plenty of motive!
Ultimately, it was the jewish banksters who orchestrated both hits!
Bongofury361 3 weeks ago
@ricotermonen Check out 'Executive Action'.That movie was made in '73, and it includes a witness death list at the end and the mathematical probability of these deaths occurring within I think less than 5 years after the 'Event' were one in about...the rest of this page in a number that had about a hundred zeros after it.
bumcheek7 4 months ago
@bumcheek7 ..funny allready saw that very movie 3 weeks ago, it is on youtube, but thank you anyway, it was indeed a good movie that I didn't see before. After that I looked for scenes of the Oliver Stone JFK to study the Mister X scene and by accident found the complete movie on youtube as well. Indeed EA is a good movie.
ricotermonen 4 months ago
LBJ I think was definatly in it. He had the limo cleaned and rebuild in secret. He had the connections to the texan oilmen who Kennedy cut on taxes or something. His misstress said he was in. Interviews also on tube. His tie to Malcolm Wallace should be checked, and he ordered some documents not to be released in their lifetime, why o why would he do that if he had nothing to hide? Why where all the secr servicemen on his car? It was their turf, the Milteer tape should be checked as well etc etc
ricotermonen 5 months ago
If there were other shooters, grassy knoll or where ever, were dead the soon after they did their jobs thats the way it works when you want to keep something secret.
DaBadger354 5 months ago
@DaBadger354 That's true. However, we need to know who ordered the assassination. Carol Ann Kenedy is releasing her mom's tapes. I will do a vid on it but so far I only know that the tapes said that LBJ and a rich Texas Tycoon ordered it.
mia0899cs 5 months ago
too boring
autocrow 6 months ago
There is a point where the big fish is way too big to haul into the boat, so you let him go. That is what happened. In 1963 or 1964, could LBJ have been indicted for murder? Dulles? Hunt (CIA) or Huny (Big Oil)? Rockefeller? Think about it and realize the truth.
Boelcke1919 6 months ago
Bowers saw the murder, in essence. Nice try insiders to attack the truth, but the fact remains that with the death of JFK, true freedom died in the USA and we are left with a fascist government. Well, this is what we get for helping NAZIS escape justice after WW2.
Boelcke1919 6 months ago
Most people don't believe The Warren Commission Report. They didn't then and they don't now by an even bigger margin.They just used good old common sense and no one man could have done this.Jack Ruby made sure there was no trial by killing Oswald.It looked like a hit to me and any dumb bunny who thinks he shot Oswald out of grief over the president just can't think.Ruby was into organized crime.
GGE47 6 months ago
@GGE47 Then you need somebody to bump off Ruby so he wouldn't talk, Then the guy who bumped off Ruby would have to be hit so he wouldn't talk......ans so on and so on ad infinitem......There's too many holes in the Ruby angle.....
CUALL8R 5 months ago
@CUALL8R Why do you think he died of cancer in January,1967.His mob connections were so close that he had to do what he was told.He had too easy access to the jail where Oswald to be moved from.He was well known to the Dallas police.The official story on how he entered the place is a lie.
GGE47 5 months ago
What the lady in this video isn't telling you is that Lee Bowers changed his story every time he opened his mouth.
MercyfulFate10 6 months ago
@MercyfulFate10 Everyone who was a witness was made to be not credible.
mia0899cs 6 months ago
@mia0899cs Bill Newman was a witness and so wasn't Charles Brehm. Nobody made them "not credible". John and Nellie Connally were witnesses and nobody made them look "not credible". So was Buell Frasier, Johny Brewer, Harold Norman, Jackie Kennedy and Abe Zapruder and none of these people were made to look "not credible". There are dozens of more names I could add to the list but limited space precludes that. So who are the witnesses who were "made to be not credible"?
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
Ma'am.thank you for your information..and if I may be somewhat forward...you are very pretty.
eyeboule 7 months ago in playlist The JFK Assassination Films
The shooter was in the storm water drain on Elm St.
scrollandkey 7 months ago
@scrollandkey I've heard that before. It's very possible.
mia0899cs 7 months ago
@mia0899cs I agree !! Jean Hill changed her story over the years. Go back and watch the first interviews with her after the assassinationand then look at later ones. ( Or her Book ) She just wanted to be famous like her friend Mary Moorman. This book is not very creditable.
399er 7 months ago
@scrollandkey Lol no chance. It was behind the picket fence. People saw the shooter and most heard it come from there. There may have been a shooter down there but he had no shot to take.
ChristianHolloway7 7 months ago
@ChristianHolloway7 Nobody saw a shooter on the grassy knoll or behind the picket fence. There is zero forensic evidence to support claims the president was struck from the front or side. If you have a problem with this then take it up with Dr. Michael who chaired the 9 panel team of forensic pathologists who all agreed to this finding.
autoad 7 months ago
@autoad Lol. Come back when you have researched JFK a bit more.
ChristianHolloway7 7 months ago
@ChristianHolloway7 That's your answer??? LOL!!!
Having dealt with you conspiracy cultists for the past 20+ years your answer speaks volumes. It means your clueless about the facts of the assassination and the subsequent investigations. It means the ONLY stuff you've looked at is the goofy conspiracy material. You "cultists" can't even agree on a single conspiracy. You've got different people shooting at JFK from different positions in Dealey Plaza using different weapons, firing different ammo
autoad 7 months ago
@ChristianHolloway7 firing a different number of shots and all of the gunman escaping the Plaza totally undetected! So who was behind it? You goofballs can't even agree on that either! It was the Mob! No..it was the FBI! No..it was the Military Industrial Complex! No.. it was Cuban exiles! No..it was Hoover! No..it was LBJ! No..it was Nixon! No..it was Bush! No...it was the Warren Commission! No..it was the Vatican! LOL!! You bozos have accused 80 different groups and over 250 different people
autoad 7 months ago
@ChristianHolloway7 of having planned, executed and covered up the assassination!! Plus..somehow all of these people you've accused have been able to keep it covered up for nearly 50 years!!! That's hysterical!! To keep this crime under wraps not only would they have to keep silent but all the staff and support personal of all the government agencies you birdbrains have accused would have to stay quiet, their families, their friends, ALL of the media in the world, their staff, their families,
autoad 7 months ago
@ChristianHolloway7 their friends. Plus you'd have to include the generations of people in the families that would have to keep quiet too!
"Mommy...wasn't grandpa Bill the janitor who worked in the State Department when president Kennedy alive"? "Hush Suzie! You know how we're supposed to not talk about president Kennedy"!!! "Sorry Mommy. I forgot".
You go right on believing there is a massive conspiracy of silence involving hundreds of thousands of people born and unborn!! LOL! Nutbag!
autoad 7 months ago
@autoad Uncovering a conspiracy is not an easy thing. This plan was very well executed and it didn't take that many people to do it. Certainly not thousands. So determining exactly who did it is not a piece of cake. What any logical, sensible person will conclude taking into account the evidence, the facts, the inconsistencies in the official story, is that it was a conspiracy. But is you want to continue to live in la-la land, that's your prerrogative.
piscesman54 7 months ago
@piscesman54 But you said it WAS a conspiracy which means you uncovered it. As a former conspiracy believer I have to say that I was not thinking logically when I subscribed to that school of thought. When I began to think clearly and ask some obvious questions is the moment I began to challenge my beliefs.
What inconstancies are there in the official story?
autoad 7 months ago
@autoad Your logic is distorted. Of course there was a conspiracy. That doesn't mean that we have to wait until we have it all down pat to arrive at that conclusion. That will probably never happen given the destruction of evidence, the witnesses that were made to pass away, etc. That's precisely what the cover up is for. As far as the inconsistencies, you'd almost need to write an encyclopedia to list them all.
piscesman54 7 months ago
@autoad I'll start with the most obvious one. Ballistics. No body hit by a bullet lurches in the same direction the bullet came from. This is simple fourth grade physics. The Zapruder film, even as altered up as it is, clearly shows that the fatal shot came from the front. Kennedy's brains are splattered all over the trunk of the car and even hit the motorcycle cop to the back and the left. That proves more than one gunman, and therefore, a conspiracy. How is that hard to understand?
piscesman54 7 months ago
@piscesman54 But there were 9 forensic pathologists who examined the autopsy records, the x-rays and photos and all 9 of them, including Dr. Cyril Wecht who said the president was struck twice from above and behind.JFK actually moves forward about 2" at Z-frame 313-314. Bullets do not transfer their energy to the target. They're designed to pass through the target. The 4th grade physics don't apply to bullets.
If the Z-film was altered, what specifically was altered and for what purpose? The
autoad 7 months ago
@autoad Yes, there were 9 pathologists, all under close guard of government agents. Some of them later testified that the autopsy was completely botched. The body didn't even arrive in the same casket it was put in in Dallas. And of course bullets transfer part of their energy to the target they hit, especially if they're are explosive. Besides that, there are zillions of unanswered questions, not to mention the ones that weren't even asked. But hey, you can believe whatever you want to.
piscesman54 7 months ago
@piscesman54 particulate matter that came from the head-shot went forward. It covered John and Nellie Connally as well as agents Greer and Kellerman. The motorcycle policeman was hit by some of the spray because the spray got caught into the headwind of the limo. There were wind gusts up to 20 mph that day and the limo was driving directly into the wind. Al the medical, ballistic and physical evidence were in agreement. No evidence of any conspiracy.
autoad 7 months ago
@autoad There were oodles of witnesses that either saw or heard shots coming from the grassy knoll. Strangely they all died mostly violent deaths within 2 to 3 years after the assasination. Some offered their witness and were turned down by the Warren commission. Come on, you've got to be blind not see it. The whole Oswald story is simply not believable. He simply could not have done alone. He was an average marksman using a piece of shit for a weapon.
piscesman54 7 months ago
@piscesman54 Nobody saw a gunman shooting from the grassy knoll. Not one single person. Oswald scored a 48/50 and 49/50 in the Marines while rapid firing at 200 yards. The longest shot in Dealey Plaza was 88 yards that is well within his range. The "magic bullet" was linked ballistically to his rifle, the bullet fragments were found to the front of JFK were linked ballistically as well. The idea of a conspiracy is foolish and not feasible. To keep a secret for 50 years isn't believable.
autoad 7 months ago
@autoad You're wrong,buddy. The deaf-dumb guy so to guys there, one passing a rifle to the other. The railroad worker from the tower corroborated. I suppose all the people running up the grassy knoll who had heard the shots, including several police officers, were doing so because they were promised a free hamburger.
How do you explain Oswalds defection and return to the US without so much as debriefing. What about his and Ruby's links to the CIA and the FBI? It simply doesn't add up.
piscesman54 7 months ago
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@piscesman54 I don't have to explain anything. You have an opposing opinion so it's up to you to present your facts.
autoad 6 months ago
@autoad The simple fact is you can't believe it because you can't get your head around it. It's too scary. It strikes at the heart of America's most sacred institutions. Either that, or you are simply a paid propagandist. 3 out of 4 Americans believe it was a conspiracy and spite of everything that's been done by people like you to cover it up. You don't get it. It's continued to be covered up because the same forces that did it are the ones running the show since then. For obvious reasons.
piscesman54 7 months ago
@piscesman54 All you've done is repeat conspiracy nonsense.
Do you have ANY evidence (I'm talking about real evidence not opinion, guesses, assumptions but real documents, forensics, ballistics etc). to back up your assertion?
autoad 7 months ago
@autoad All you're doing is saying: "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up". As for evidence, you'll find it all over the web, but you don't care to look, or simply brush it off as "conspiracy nonsense". You know what? It's because of people with your mindset that JKF, and later RFK and MLK were able to be pulled off. Not to mention 9/11. But you can rejoice, you'll have another one coming around soon, except this time you may not survive to believe any story.
piscesman54 7 months ago
@piscesman54 Who are these forces you speak of?
Who specifically are the members of these forces?
What is too scary?
What is it I can't get my head around?
autoad 6 months ago
@autoad And by way, the Marine Corp does not and never did use Mannlicker-Carcanno rifles, and the scores are taken shooting at still targets, not moving ones. As for the magic bullet, it's easier to believe that my 90-year old grandmother can win the Miss Unverse contest. Bullet fragments? The bullet was supposed to have been found in pristine condition after going flesh and bone tissue. It's ludicrous.
piscesman54 7 months ago
@piscesman54 True about the MC rifle. However Connelly was stting in a jump seat that was lower and to the left of JFK's seating position. Thus the line of fire would be consistent with a shot from the School Book Depository Bldg. The bullet was never "pristine". I'll never know where that one came from it as I never found it in the Warren Commission report.
CUALL8R 5 months ago
@ChristianHolloway7 /watch?v=hfU9tqbA_hY
scrollandkey 6 months ago
@scrollandkey LOL !!! That's a hoot !! You can't even see the occupents of the car from the storm drain.
399er 7 months ago
@399er /watch?v=hfU9tqbA_hY
scrollandkey 6 months ago
@scrollandkey If there was a shooter in the storm drain they would never have been able to hit the president. There's no view of the "target" when you're down there.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1 /watch?v=hfU9tqbA_hY
scrollandkey 6 months ago
@scrollandkey I've seen it. I'm not going to waste my time with it again. But thanks anyway for the recommendation.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@scrollandkey How is it that 9 forensic pathologists who examined JFK's autopsy report, x-rays and photos all said that there is zero evidence of the president being shot from the front or side? Can you explain why if he was shot from the front or side from the storm drain, that there's no entry wound to correspond with the shot? Why is this?
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1 I can only imagine those pathologists were pressured to agree with a predetermined conclusion. Just like the Chief of Police Jesse Curry had already determined that Oswald was the only shooter. Dr. Crenshaw at Parkland was one of the first to examine Kennedy. He observed a exit wound at the rear of the head.
scrollandkey 6 months ago
@scrollandkey Do you think there's the possibility that the 9 pathologists told the truth and Kennedy wasn't shot from the front?
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Apparently they couldnt examine the body properly because of the military thugs in the room who were running the show. They wouldnt let them perform their neccesary duties.
A question for you on another topic. Do you really think an experienced police officer like Roger Craig
could misidentify a rifle when he examined it from 8inches away.
"stamped on right the barrell of the rifle was 7.65 Mauser. - Roger Craig
scrollandkey 6 months ago
@scrollandkey That's complete baloney about the "military thugs" running the autopsy! If anyone was interfering with the autopsy it was Bobby Kennedy. JFK's physician was in the autopsy room and he was acting at RFK's spokesperson. They did not what JFK's body fully autopsied and were sending messages into the autopsy room to hurry things along.
The police office who ID'd the rifle was Eugene Boone. He later stated he called it a "Mauser" because of the bolt action. You can see his testimony
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@scrollandkey here on YouTube during the Oswald trial held in London. Sometimes when the stress level is highly charged (like when someone is shot in public) people can make a mistake. There were hundreds of "mistakes" made that day by people we regularly trust. When an error is made we need not make immediate leaps by assuming it was done to cover-up something.
Do you hold out the possibility Roger Craig could have been mistaken? Or is he infallible?
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
Dorothy Kilgallen, a crime reporter of the New York Journal, obtained a private interview with Jack Ruby. She told friends that she had information that would "break the case wide open". Aware of what had happened to Bill Hunter and Jim Koethe, she handed her interview notes to her friend Margaret Smith. On 8th November, 1965, Kilgallen, was found dead. It was reported she had committed suicide. Her friend, Margaret Smith, died two days later. VERY INTERESTING FOLKS.CHECK IT OUT.
ed11561 8 months ago
@ed11561 That's another baloney story created and spread around by the irresponsible conspiracy nuts.
LoneNutter1 7 months ago
@LoneNutter1 This asshole asked me for prove of witnesses in Dealey Plaza.I sent him a list of 163 VERIFIED WITNESSES & the asshole goes back to his MORONIC conspiracy nuts story.WHAT AN ASSHOLE LOSER. HAHAHA Lone nutter is DUMBER THAN A FIRE HYDRANT. At least THAT has a purpose.Go kill yourself loser.
ed11561 7 months ago
We can go on and on with JFK's murder. Let's leave it rest now. The facts are these, he was an excellent President who gave us so much and that the whole world still enjoys if everyone just pays attention. If you did not like him, OK. Let's think of the really good things he did. The Kennedy Center is celebrating JFK's amazing achievements of fifty years,online. Check it out and celebrate all the cool things he started for all of us. Even today's generation is prospering from JFK in 2011!:)
TheJohnlennongirl 8 months ago
@TheJohnlennongirl Sorry, lady, but very little of what Kennedy died for remains. That day the American dream became a nightmare, and that's what it's been since then. The American government was hijacked by the Secret Government, and they've been running it ever since. Kennedy never would have stood for a piece of legislation like the Patriot Act. That's precisely why discovering the truth on his death matters.
piscesman54 7 months ago
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BIGBADWOOD 9 months ago
lug nut of the tie rod end?
BIGBADWOOD 9 months ago
I love how anti-truth movement folks always seem to be convinced that someone else convinced us of something and we've been manipulated. If it helps your ego to think we can't possibly have just picked up on thw wrongness of the world on our own, great. Meanwhile, in reality, many of us asked our own questions and thus pursued these subjects. Especially things like 9/11, which was obviously not done by "Islamists" to anyone with any critical thinking skills.
Siva3Enthroned 9 months ago
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Tomaji69 10 months ago
@Tomaji69 I'm not sure how you look, but you sound like a naive judgemental twit.
Siva3Enthroned 9 months ago
@Siva3Enthroned - The Parkland doctors and nurses ALL said UNANIMOUSLY with their HANDS ON, PROFESSIONAL, eyewitness accounts, that the BACK OF JFK's HEAD was BLOWN OUT from what they presumed was a massive exit wound. They didn't look for an entry head wound. This, plus the fact that the "autopsy" didn't trace any of the bullet wounds, sets up STRONG SUSPICION of a cover up to pin it on Oswald. The WC printed their testimony, but ignored it. It was a military execution, IMO.
Tomaji69 9 months ago
@Tomaji69 could you imagine oswald's trial -these doctors called to testify- exit wounds in kennedy don't line up with a shot from behind???-besides all the witnesses pointing to a fronal shot- plus the intact bullet- the prosecution would claim hit kennedy and connelly-smashing bones-then connally himself claiming to be hit by a separate bullett.-that is why the fix had to be put in -remember that line in the movie china town -"hey jake- it's china town"-hey everybody-it's texas.
larrywheels 9 months ago
@Siva3Enthroned - It's not being judgmental to say "The car is moving slowly". All I said was she sounds drunk or on codeine or something like that. Well, you DO hear it don't you? Instead of picking on my observations, pick your nose - you'll get more out of it.
Tomaji69 9 months ago
Some facts: 1) Jean Hill published her book when she was in her early 60's, not 70. 2) Jean Hill had been promoting her story long before she ever put it to paper. 3) Though Hill is famous for claiming to see a man shooting from the grassy knoll, in a televised interview just hours after the shooting, Jean Hill said that while she did believe the shots came from the grassy knoll, she in fact did not see anyone shooting from that position.
JohnDavidStutts1 10 months ago
like a retard i posted about the 4 murdered presidents twice..my apologies. and i have no idea where "these people all had something to do" came from or what it implied or where i was going with it.
prawdaeh 10 months ago
sooooooo why isn't it thesable that they wouldn't do the same in our country if they didn't agree with his views? I'm not claiming I know...but you don't know either....you really don't know if somebody put him up to it.
prawdaeh 10 months ago
texas had oil- guns -cia- underworld- and alot of racists cops- yeah kennedy was in their turf- he came back in a box and a corrupt texan took over- duh.
larrywheels 10 months ago
Jean Hill was a common opportunist who made up a story about seeing a gunman on the grassy knoll. She inserted herself onto the "witness" stage 19 years after the assassination. She's a "interesting" person who's memory of the assassination improved over time. She and Mary Moorman were interviewed by television news shortly after the shooting. She said she didn't see anyone firing at the president. She told the WC she didn't see anybody with a gun. She was a fraud.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
She's reading from Jean Hill's book?? OMG what a horrid piece of fiction written by a woman who changed her story and made up stories so she would be famous. Conspiracy nuts thrive on this garbage and consider it "truth" regardless if it happened or not.
LoneNutter1 1 year ago
@LoneNutter1 You're wrong! Jean Hill waited until she was 70 y.o. to publish her book. They discredited her from the start becaue she was an eye witness. Forget about her book, LHO couldn't have made the fatal head shot. Warren Commission - Parkland Hospital stated that the entry point was right temporal lobe and exit point back of head blowing his skull and brains out. They were past the TSBD. Case closed. Who assassinated JFK? Only question you need to worry about.
mia0899cs 1 year ago 2
@mia0899cs Jean Hill is one of the biggest fabricators of a story that's walked the earth in the past 100 years. Even Gerry Spence didn't call he as a witness for the Oswald trial in London because he knew Bugliosi would have torn her story to shreds on the witness stand. She had zero credibility and revealed herself as a person of shallow character. Go ahead and believe he story if you want. While you're at it, add the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause to your list of believable things.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@mia0899cs Tell me about the white fluffy dog that was sitting between the Kennedy's.
bibbler227 11 months ago
@bibbler227 There was no white fluffy dog in the limo. There were a dozen red roses sitting on the seat. In the heat of the moment it's understandable how people thought they saw things that didn't happen. Bill Newman, who was across from Hill and Moorman said he saw the president "stand up" in the limo. Jean Hill however had a remarkable ability of having her memory and vision improve over time. 19 years after the shooting she came up with a story about how she saw a gunman on the knoll.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@bibbler227 She testified at the Warren Commission and she said "I never saw anybody with a gun". 19 years later she changes her story, writes a book, signs autographs etc. She was nothing more than a common opportunist who exploited the assassination to make a buck by fabricating a phony story.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@bibbler227 Jean Hill thought she saw a white dog in the limo, but it was Jackie's purse. It was a way of discrediting her because she was an eyewitness. They even tried to kill her.
mia0899cs 11 months ago 2
@bibbler227 The white fluffy dog was mistaken for Jackie's white purse.
TheJohnlennongirl 8 months ago
@mia0899cs You're right. I was wrong. Jean Hill waited 26 years after the assassination to tell her "new and improved story". She is partially responsible for discrediting herself when she spoke about the little white dog in the presidential limo. There was no dog of any kind in the limo. Some have tried to rescue that portion of the story by claiming it was the hand-puppet Lamb Chop made famous by Sheri Lewis, given to Jackie at Love Field. The latest information says it was a bouquet of asters
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@mia0899cs that jackie received along with the dozen red roses presented at Love Field.
There no doubt LHO fired the weapon that killed the president and wounded Connolly. It was an easy shot that's been duplicated a number of times. The medical people at Parkland were trying to save the live of the president and they did not perform an examination of the body. In fact, they never turned the body over. If they had, they would have seen the wound to his back. Forensic pathologists examine the
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@mia0899cs remains of the president to establish cause of death. The back of the president's head was intact and the front was intact as well. he wound is to the right upper side of his head. The Zapruder film shows that. The X-rays show that as well. The nine forensic pathologists who were charged by the HSCA with examining the autopsy photos, x-rays and reports all stated there is no available medical evidence to support any shots striking the president from the front or side.
Oswald shot JFK
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@mia0899cs There is ZERO evidence that the president was struck by different bullets fired from a different weapon(s).
Jean Hill told a story to a television reporter that she didn't see anyone with a gun. She told the Warren Commission the same thing. 26 years later, she changes the story significantly by saying she saw a man with a rifle on the knoll and he fired at the president.
By all appearance, she changed her story so she could become famous. This business of someone
Case closed.
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 BULLSHIT. Another troll.
piscesman54 6 months ago
@mia0899cs threatening her is silly. She published the book in 1992 and she died in 2000. If someone was going to get rid of her to keep her quiet they would have bumped her off long before she wrote the book. But the people who threatened her took 8 years to find her (after she's told her story and attended conspiracy conventions signing autographs) and then knock her off. Really? Are the forces of evil talented enough to cover-up the greatest crime in history but take 8 years to find Jean Hill
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@mia0899cs and silence her after she's told her "story"? Really? Do you expect average people to believe that? Please....
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@mia0899cs Why waste your time discussing this topic with anyone who still adheres to the mythology of LHO acting as a lone gunman??? Move forward and only discuss with educated people who know better. This is the problem with our country today is that the truly educated try and dissuade the lower socioeconomic bumpkins who seem to propulgate the species at a truly alarming rate. America lost its innocence when the government headed by JFK was overthrown. By the way, I am not a liberal.
greymoose1000 10 months ago
@mia0899cs The doctors at Parkland never said "the entry wound was to the right temporal lobe and exit point back of head blowing his scull and brain out". The forensic pathologists who performed the autopsy in 1963 identified the entry wounds to the president as the upper back and the rear of his head. The nine pathologists in 1979 for the HSCA reviewed all the photos, x-rays and reports from the original autopsy and confirmed the findings. No shots struck the president from the front or side.
LoneNutter1 9 months ago
@LoneNutter1 There is overwhelming evidence of the contrary. It is painfully obvious to any idiot that it wasn't Oswald either way, given military men could barely recreate his shooting on the day, and he was a terrible shot. Not to mention the gun he supposedly shot Kennedy with being in such poor condition when it was found it had to be refurnished before being test fired. Not to mention there is an abundance of evidence that the government editted the Zapruder film.
Siva3Enthroned 9 months ago
@Siva3Enthroned Your message is filled with incorrect information.
1.Oswlad's shots have been reproduced on a number of occasions. If you'd like more information on who, when and where it was done I'll be happy to supply it.
2. He was not a terrible shot. He qualified as Marksman and Sharpshooter while in the Marines.
3. There is no testimony nor evidence that the Mannlicher was refurbished before being test fired.
4.The Z-film has never been altered. The logistics to alter the film would have
LoneNutter1 9 months ago
@Siva3Enthroned been impossible. First of all the Z-film was in the possession of Abraham Zapruder from the moment it was filmed to the time it was processed for development. Second, when it was developed there were three copies made of the film.One copy to the FBI, one to the Secret Service. If one of the copies were altered after being developed the one of the other copies or the original would reveal the alteration. But just for the sake of argument let's say the Z-film was altered. It would
LoneNutter1 9 months ago
@Siva3Enthroned mean that all the other photos and film taken in Dealey Plaza would have to be altered so they would be in agreement of any of the altered images in the Z-film. There were scores of people with movie cameras, Polaroids, and personal cameras. Someone(s) would have to confiscate all the film and photos, alter them, and get them back to the original owners without raising suspicion. Plus, all the film shot by the television stations would have to be collected and all the still shots
LoneNutter1 9 months ago
@Siva3Enthroned taken by the newspapers would have to be gathered up.
The accusation the Zapruder film was altered is wholly ridiculous and totally without merit. if you ask some simple questions and use a little common sense it's easily revealed that it would have been impossible to "fake" the film. Furthermore, there was no technology in 1963 that could have created or altered the images on the film without it being painfully obvious to the average person.
LoneNutter1 9 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Yes they did. That's easy to see on the Z film.
piscesman54 6 months ago
@mia0899cs Jean Hill changed her story about what she saw 29 years after the assassination. She told the media within a few hours of the shooting and the Warren Commission that she didn't see anyone with a gun. I'll be happy to provide you with the web address so you can read her testimony to the Warren Commission.
But 29 years after the assassination her eyesight and memory suddenly improve where she recalls seeing a man on the grassy knoll shooting at the JFK. There is clear and convincing
LoneNutter1 9 months ago
@mia0899cs evidence that Jean Hill wasn't a very good witness. This is born out by what she said during her testimony to the Warren Commission not about what she saw, but what she claims she did during and after the shooting.
I'm sure Jean Hill was a nice lady but she clearly wanted to be famous and attached her name to this historic event. It's interesting to note that her story about the gunman on the knoll changed after the alleged image of "Badgeman" emerged. She's not a credible source.
LoneNutter1 9 months ago
@mia0899cs Check out the google video that SHOWS his skull hanging off after being shot---it's on my front page.
JFK was definitely killed in a conspiracy.Question is was it hitmen from France-mobsters-hired by the CIA&fbi or the CIA doing the actual hit themselves?Check it out
ed11561 8 months ago
@LoneNutter1 -- You've got the 'nut' market cornered, profuse disinfoteer-of-a-dozen-youtube-monickers. So you should know what 'nutters' thrive on, love & admire. As your endless revisions of reality prove, tireless supporter of the fantasy fable created by those leading lights of Lone Nut 'truth' -- The egomaniacal self-loathing cross-dresser J Edgar Hoover, blackmailed by Mafia & responsible for thousands of murders & crime victims of organized crime, and the pathologic powermad killer LBJ.
starmanskye 11 months ago 2
@starmanskye And you've not one shred of evidence to support your screwy theory. You CT'ers have had nearly 50 years to come up with something and you've failed miserably.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 - The CIA did it and you know it, government hack. Let me guess, you also believe that TWA Flight 800 was hit by a meteor, and that 9/11 was perpetrated by the bogeyman Arab, lol. Whenever the federal government puts an investigation together, you can rest assured that they will place the blame on anyone BUT the federal government. They do whatever's in their best interests, people be damned. If you're American, you should know this.
LongLiveOx 11 months ago 8
@LongLiveOx You have a problem. You say the CIA did it. Someone else says the FBI. Others say it was Big Oil, the Mob, unhappy Cuban exiles, the illuminati, LBJ, Nixon, Bush, Hoover, Martians (I'm not kidding) . About 250 individuals have been accused of killing JFK along with 80 different organizations. Do the conspiracy nuts plan on accusing scores of innocent people in their sad, feeble and irresponsible attempt to discover the truth? The truth was found long ago. You knuckleheads are silly.
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1 "You have a problem. You say the CIA did it. Someone else says the FBI. Others say it was Big Oil, the Mob, unhappy Cuban exiles, the illuminati, LBJ, Nixon, Bush, Hoover, Martians (I'm not kidding)"...did you really list these names and "innocent" in the same paragraph? really? i mean..sure we may never know if LHO had someone pulling his strings...but...even the Presidents mentioned in this are far from "innocent"...the CIA has no problem ousting a puppet dictator for replacement
prawdaeh 10 months ago
@prawdaeh
Do you have evidence to prove their guilt?
Do you have evidence to prove the guilt of one group named?
I doubt very much you have the tiniest scrap of evidence to prove a conspiracy, any conspiracy, took place.
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 do you have proof of their innocence? as i said..i don't claim to know..but you seem to have omitted that part. An again..my reference of innocence doesn't relate to just the JFK assassination. We all know the CIA has pulled some crazy inhumane shit and have been working for years to overthrow governments, and use trained assasssins. They recruited the top nazi scientists after ww2 instead of jailing them, we had Project MKUltra, That much is fact.
prawdaeh 10 months ago
@prawdaeh Are you saying we should abandon our judicial process where a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty?
Or do you suggest we now accuse people of crimes and they have to prove themselves innocent??
Are you serious????!!!!
We don't prove innocence in this county we prove guilt. The CT'ers have accused hundreds of people/groups of being involved with this crime and they've produced nothing to support their accusation.
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
ok...the comment in my Inbox and the last comment i see from you differ in respectability. You can suspect someone without accusing them. And did i say anything about sentencing anybody? I asked for proof of their innocence...can you provide it? ANd yes...in this country we do prove innocence in a matter of ways...it's just that we're supposedly considered innocent until proven guilty..which is not the norm i receive from american citizens. again..even innocents can be suspects.
prawdaeh 10 months ago
@prawdaeh When the government brings charges against an individual for crimes, the burden of proof falls to the accuser. They have to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. The defense (or accused) have no burden to prove anything. I fail to see the purpose for all the people and groups who've been accused by the Ct'ers to prove their innocence. I have some questions; who would the accused prove their innocence to? By what means? In what venue? Who would decide guilt or innocence?
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 I'm simply asking you if you can prove to anybody that they had no involvement...you can't...nobody can.. we can't even prove they did. you seem to think I'm claiming they are guilty...when I've openly admitted I don't know if they had anything to do with it or not. but still ask me for proof of their guilt...which i admit i don't have.. but you can't tell me how you know that they had no involvement, only that the WC dictated there was no conspiracy.
prawdaeh 10 months ago
@prawdaeh I don't have to prove innocence and I'm not about to start. That would be a monumental task for which I fear the end result would not get fair consideration. There are those who have made up their minds and no matter how clear and convincing the evidence these closed minded people would disregard it.
Some of the CT'ers behave like an angry mob. Fairness, truth, honesty are immaterial to them. some have told me that the government is guilty and nothing will change their minds.
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 you have to remember...my intial statement about innocence was your referal to nixon, bush, the cia, the fed whatever else you listed...and while you were refering to the case of JFK and the accused innocence....i simply stated that...none of the names you listed are "innocent" people imo..watergate..WMD's that don't exist. drug smuggling, mk ultra.. inflation and deflation, depressions, all real occurances. dirty shit man...nazi scientists that should've been jailed or executed.
prawdaeh 10 months ago
and again...i did'nt expect you to prove anything...just attempting to make the point that, just as you reminded me of the warren commission - this is still open to speculation. I believe you took me a little out of context and, I don't think that's hard to do with my mannerisms so I'm not placing fault. Please have a good night man and thanks for the discussion...I'm truly fascinated by the JFK administration and the downfall of it, and i wish he had recieved his 8 years of presidency.
prawdaeh 10 months ago
@prawdaeh I wish he had gotten eight years as well.
Thank you in return for the discussion.
You have a good evening.
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 and WITH some of the things the US government has done in the last 70 years and even prior to said time frame, I can't say I'm inclined to trust their verdict, especially with the amount of hidden facts and overlooked possibilities. You do...and I'm fine with that...I'm not trying to convince you otherwise...No..i cannot produce proof of guilt...but you cannot prove to me, or anyone else for that matter that they had no involvement. We who don't know..just want to know. that's all.
prawdaeh 10 months ago
@prawdaeh Now, the Warren Commission did not say there wasn't a conspiracy. They said they found no evidence of a conspiracy. So they left to door open on that matter.
If the CIA is a suspect, then a full and fair investigation would have to take place. But to accuse the CIA of involvement has to be formulated on more than just a hypothetical motive.
The size of the government is vast and I can say with confidence that agencies , boards and commissions will have disagreements with people who
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 This reply from you I actually like as you grasp what I'm getting at. Just so you know..i hold no hatred towards you or even dislike...this was simply a discussion between two youtubers, that didn't needlessly resort to name calling and blatent disrespect. Don't confuse me with those who think "THE CIA DID IT!"...i simply find them as a suspect...and i would love for evidence to show up..but it hasn't. I can admit that. I still believe them to be dirty though.
prawdaeh 10 months ago
@prawdaeh Well, your comment is a refreshing difference that what I've normally been getting from those who don't wish to be confused by the facts.
I think you'd be best served by allowing the evidence to surface that shows guilt rather than innocence.
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 You're the one confused by the facts, buddy. And no such evidence will surface. They've already taken care of that by destroying it and tampering with it.
piscesman54 6 months ago
By the way...today March 17th is Clay Shaw's birthday.
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@prawdaeh are elected to office. But we don't have a history in this country of killing our presidents because we have a disagreement with them.
My objection to the methods of the CT'ers is based on their irresponsible behavior when scores of people and groups are accused of killing the president and they have no proof to support the accusation. Do you know that in the nearly 50 years since Dallas 250 individuals and 80 different groups have been accused of killing JFK? Does this make sense?
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 You're not getting the point. All of this would be dispelled if the government simply released the information it is holding on the case. But they are not. If this were an ordinary crime suspect, they would already have been forced to produce the information. But not the US secret government. They can't be forced. It endangers "national security". What a load of crock.
piscesman54 6 months ago
and finally..let me ask you this...do you honestly expect a citizen like me to be able to access any kind of evidence that a government agency might be withholding...or trashed? If there ever was any evidence it is surely unavailable. However...I do know the CIA to have pulled some diabolical shit in US history. And attempt to cover it up. So - without being to make an accusation. I firmly believe we as citizens have every RIGHT to suspect, and even question the WC's findings. Thanks..bye.
prawdaeh 10 months ago
@prawdaeh Absolutely correct. Doing otherwise would be tantamount to aiding and abetting crime. There is nothing irresponsible about dissension.
piscesman54 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1 This is an idiotic argument. This is not about taking it to court. With the amount of tampering with the evidence and whacking of witnesses done in the past 50 years, that would impossible. That's why LHO was killed in the first place. They didn't want him in court. It would have blown the case wide open. This is about the judgement of history. And history has already issued its judgement. An overwhelming majority of people in the world (not just America) believe it was a conspiracy
piscesman54 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1 and my admitted speculation..that i already admitted i don't have KNOWLEDGE of in the post you replied to..is simply that the CIA and other organizations are very CAPABLE of such a thing...and had every reason to. I never said they did anything...i just merely stated it's awful bright to put the names you listed and innocent in the same paragraph. I never implied to KNOW or did i say YES THE CIA DID iT...however...it's very thesable...ignore that and you're gullable or blind.
prawdaeh 10 months ago
@prawdaeh Do you have any PROOF the CIA did it? No.
You can have your suspicions, your speculations, your opinions, your guesses but none of that is evidence. And without evidence you can't prove a thing.
Anyone is CAPABLE of committing a crime. But we don't accuse people of a crime at random. We don't walk out the door and grab the first person we see and accuse them of a crime and say "Prove you're innocent"!!.
Unless you're a CT'er.
They been doing it for decades.
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Bullshit. LHO was not allowed his day in court, and yet he was branded as guilty without the government even pursuing any other line of investigation in spite of numerous conflicting testimonies, so don't give us this sanctimonious legalistic crap.
piscesman54 6 months ago
@LongLiveOx I have no knowledge whatsoever the CIA "did it". And you have no evidence to prove your ridiculous, and irresponsible accusation the CIA "did it".
I AM an American. And I believe we're a nation of laws and not of princes, kings, queens or angry mobs.
The conspiracy theorists have contaminated the discussion of the Kennedy assassination with their outrageous claims of plots, schemes, cover-ups and murders. They are a mob; unruly, irresponsible, silly and inconsequential.
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Thank's for a respectable reply to the last comment, again my question was simply why wouldn't the CIA do it? He was a threat to the CIA, he was also a threat to the FED, and even a combatant of Communism. The Warren Commission may have claimed they didn't believe a conspiracy, but I honestly don't believe that was the main focus of their investigation. These people all had something to do. All four presidents in US history to be assassinated disapproved openly of the FED.
prawdaeh 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but simply stating that it doesn't all add up to me. A lot of questionable actions were taken. I don't dispute Oswald could've fired 3 shots in 6 seconds..people have tested the theory and even recreated the bullet that hit both JFK and Connally. However, where in E. Roberts report did he mention pulling 2 agents off the back of JFK's car? Which I haven't seen any mention of until Blaine's book and the c-span inverview with clint hill.
prawdaeh 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 and not to drag this on...but to simply state having suspicions is completely normal. To alot of Americans these corperations are still suspects. And they all have too little transparency, and personally I believe they get away with too much. Even if they DIDN'T set this up some how...they sure had a lot to gain as no president SINCE JFK has stood against the FED or CIA to my knowledge. all 4 of our assassinated US presidents wanted a gold or silver standard. coincidence? maybe
prawdaeh 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1
Real nuts are the people who believe the Warren Commission Report
coloradovoter1 11 months ago
@coloradovoter1 I'm willing to bet you've never read the Warren Report.
If you don't want to believe it. go right ahead.
However, it is the official report of the assassination and the findings were supported by the HSCA in 1979.
Or were they in on the silly coverup too?
LOL!!
LoneNutter1 11 months ago
@LoneNutter1
Who cares what you think?
Definitely isn't me
coloradovoter1 10 months ago
@coloradovoter1 Lots of people care. They're written to me telling me so.
Do I care that you don't care what I think?
No.
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Yes you do care, quit crying
coloradovoter1 10 months ago
@coloradovoter1 You have an over-inflated opinion of yourself.
LoneNutter1 10 months ago
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LoneNutter1 10 months ago
@LoneNutter1 No, they were not supported by the HSCA. The HSCA concluded that it was probably a conspiracy.
piscesman54 6 months ago
@piscesman54 And they came to that conclusion based on the so-called "recording of the shots" from the Dallas PD. It's been shown conclusively without any doubt and with absolute certainty the recordings were made 90 seconds after the shooting miles away from Dealey Plaza. Therefore, the interpretation of the recording is null and void.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Really? By whom and for what purpose? Who would stand to gain anything at that point in time (13 years after the fact)?
piscesman54 6 months ago
@piscesman54 It's not a matter of someone gaining something. It's a matter of truth and accuracy.
LoneNutter1 6 months ago
@LoneNutter1 agreed its no reclaiming history
Obelisk2290 9 months ago
@LoneNutter1 Were you there? The shock and horror of it alone would never leave a person for starters. She was extremely close to their car. Jean told Oprah on her TV show a few years back, that the shooters literally blew his head off!!! How can you come out of trauma that horrendous, as you age, and not be mixed up? Not only that, "they" have tried to murder Jean so many times as "they" have murdered over a hundred other witnesses to JFK's murder. Please show respect as she is terrified.
TheJohnlennongirl 8 months ago
@TheJohnlennongirl With your logic anyone who wasn't there should keep their opinion to themselves. And that would include you.
You engage in plenty of excuse making for Jean Hill. It's crystal clear she changed her story. Significantly changed her story when she wrote that silly book of fiction. And her claim they tried to murder her. That's total baloney. Who murdered hundreds of witnesses? Do you have a name? An organization? Anything? I suspect not.
Would you like to see the interview Jean
LoneNutter1 8 months ago
@TheJohnlennongirl Hill gave to a Dallas television station 40 minutes after the assassination? Would you like to see the "shock and horror" that's written all over her face, in her voice? Would you like to hear what she said when the reporter asked if she had seen the shooter? I'll send it to you.
Would you like to read her Warren Commission testimony? I can sand that to you as well. Would you like to read what Jean Hill wrote 26 years later (that's a long "shock and horror" recovery time) in
LoneNutter1 8 months ago
@TheJohnlennongirl that self-serving , co-authored book? I'll send that to you as well.
Do yourself a big favor and get your head out of the irresponsible conspiracy books. They're filled with lies, half-truths, balderdash and baloney. And they were written to make money.
Jean Hill sacrificed the truth in the pursuit of money and fame.
One last thing; Jean Hill is dead. She's been dead for 11 years.
My condolences to her family.
My condolences to the truth.
Jean Hill killed it.
LoneNutter1 8 months ago
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jacobji5 8 months ago
@LoneNutter1 anyone who names himself the lonenutter & DOESN'T believe the JFK CONSPIRACY is a TOTAL ASSHOLE.
ed11561 8 months ago 2
@ed11561 I don't care what you think.
LoneNutter1 7 months ago
@LoneNutter1 fuck off loser.u don't care about anything u selfish cunt.READ A BOOK asshole.It will get you out of the utter depths of stupidity.I don't care anything about you loser.hahaha
ed11561 7 months ago
@ed11561 You're telling me to read a book?? It's doubtful that you're able to read. Some publisher must have made a conspiracy "pop-up" book just for you.
Your comments are stupid. You can't form a complete sentence. You can't spell (except for the vile swears) You don't use proper punctuation. You're lazy and don't use the "shift" key for upper case letters where they're needed.
There are single cell life forms that can form complete thoughts better than you. You're shallow and worthless.
LoneNutter1 7 months ago