Artof propaganda - I listened and watched this again. Who indeed can measure up to Stan and Chet and all the history of what they lived through alone and with each other.
To me the upper register continually played was/is an example of style over substance. And lacked both the musicality and emotional depth of attachment, much like the shrieking of audiences in American TV shows
@MAJORSNODGRASS ...I tried to pick up on that, but I don't think that's it. What we play as "Dear Old Stockholm" is really a Miles Davis arrangement of a dearly held Swedish folk song. I think he knew Chet had killed it, and that there wasn't anything to add. Letting him have the last word wouldn't be a hostile act.
You can hear Brownie, Dorham & Navarro influences in Chet's playing as well as what may call 'early Miles', and combines these ingredients with his own unique approach to phrasing. Getz is in his element in this setting and is majestic also!
Great version of a great song! For all you who dont know, this song is actually called Värmlandsvisan. It you are intrested, look up Jussi Björlings version, amazing singer!
That they didn't like each other is perhaps a bit off. I believe Stan liked Chet, but Chet seems -- at least in this video -- indifferent to Stan. Whatever the case, it was their "thing", and they lived with it. Both are tragic figures, and it is perhaps the torture they both felt which was the catalyst for their music. I feel they didn't play because they wanted to play; Stan and Chet played because they HAD to play.
@miketype1each Accourding to Donald L. Maggin's biography on Stan Getz, since Chet Baker was always a hard core druggie and alcoholic, Getz wanted to dissassociate that altogether from his life after the end of the 70's. Chet was just too much for him. They mutually admired each other until the end, though.
But yeah, it was certainly a tragedy how Chet went.
I dont care if Chet was stoned, worn out from drugs, beaten senseless buy the people who abused him or himself, stan getz knew he was amongst genius and recorded it thank god for that or otherwise we wouldnt be listening to this flawless playing now..who in this day and age can measure up to Chet? I never knew of his recordings during his life times to my own disadvantage but we have it on record thank god
@colleenbaid Who can measure up? No one. The seamless inner logic the overall satisfying structure of his solos were and are peerless. Others have come and we are in the era of pyrotechnic trumpet playing. I admire their techniques ... but high notes and riffs in the upper register aside who has ever constructed solos like this 'on the fly'. He was unique for those who have the ears to understand what he was achieving.
@Arborwaychet beautifully said. Chet is the man. I will take lyrical, melodic playing any day over high notes and technique. Have you checked out Till Bronner?
@Arborwaychet Check Till out of YouTube. He records a lot of SHIT music just to sell records....When he playing JAZZ his sound and approach is very chet like. He OWNS the horn. Effortless player.
No teeth ... no high notes ... possibly stoned ... None of it mattered, because his sheer musical genius always carried to the audience. Just wonder how many players can create such beautiful lines and never play cliches night after night.
One critic said that had Getz and Baker been hooked on the same drug, they may have got on better - Getz was a very heavy drinker, but Baker was on heroine.
Getz was an agressive person who always wanted to rule the roost, whereas Baker was 'a beautiful man' . He could also sing which appealed to that part of the audience who knew little about jazz. Getz was therefore jealous, got rid of Baker for peanuts in the middle of the 35 concert tour and walked away with 20 000 dollars for himself.
@Nonettegetz I do not understand your analogy, these are two very different instruments, and Baker and Getz,, are in total control of the music in this take, is a real pleasure listening to this two Jazz Giants!!!
@astronomicato : Neither do I! :-) I was watching the video, while writing the comment. Sorry. Anyway, I do agree with you 100%. It is a pleasure and both are in perfect control of their instruments. What I meant is that Baker's rendition is absolutely brilliant and not overshadowed at all by Getz's sound, in my opinion the best sound ever achieved in tenor sax.
Artof propaganda - I listened and watched this again. Who indeed can measure up to Stan and Chet and all the history of what they lived through alone and with each other.
MAJORSNODGRASS 3 weeks ago
Chet baker worked for my father in the 80's and produced a concert for him in Newport, RI in 83. wish he was still alive... now hes my favorite...
GLeone221 1 month ago
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To me the upper register continually played was/is an example of style over substance. And lacked both the musicality and emotional depth of attachment, much like the shrieking of audiences in American TV shows
Tommyfazz 1 month ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Chet Baker
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Tommyfazz 1 month ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Chet Baker
It was three years after this performance that I met Stan
in Palm Springs, California. He looked very much as he
does in this video. And what a sax player. The best!
maogwanshi 1 month ago
perfectly
7hugStYl3 2 months ago
I think Stan felt upstaged by Chets solo.
MAJORSNODGRASS 4 months ago
@MAJORSNODGRASS ...I tried to pick up on that, but I don't think that's it. What we play as "Dear Old Stockholm" is really a Miles Davis arrangement of a dearly held Swedish folk song. I think he knew Chet had killed it, and that there wasn't anything to add. Letting him have the last word wouldn't be a hostile act.
artofpropaganda 3 weeks ago in playlist Chet Baker
You can hear Brownie, Dorham & Navarro influences in Chet's playing as well as what may call 'early Miles', and combines these ingredients with his own unique approach to phrasing. Getz is in his element in this setting and is majestic also!
jibsmokestack1 6 months ago
Skivan "Cool Stan in cool Sweden" har jag letat efter. Någon som kan lägga upp?!
Mrsvenreinhold 1 year ago
I think Stan got pissed of because of the unstoppable Chet who wanted to carried all the song along with his phrasing :-)....anyway,both are anazing!
xatzidakis 1 year ago
@xatzidakis - Maybe what Stan wants, Stan didn't getz!
jamieblond1 1 year ago 4
Great version of a great song! For all you who dont know, this song is actually called Värmlandsvisan. It you are intrested, look up Jussi Björlings version, amazing singer!
LudvigBrathen 1 year ago
chet is the best!
greetings from chile..
DRACOROSSEL 1 year ago
@1979saxman: Thank you for the insight:)
miketype1each 1 year ago
That they didn't like each other is perhaps a bit off. I believe Stan liked Chet, but Chet seems -- at least in this video -- indifferent to Stan. Whatever the case, it was their "thing", and they lived with it. Both are tragic figures, and it is perhaps the torture they both felt which was the catalyst for their music. I feel they didn't play because they wanted to play; Stan and Chet played because they HAD to play.
miketype1each 1 year ago
@miketype1each Accourding to Donald L. Maggin's biography on Stan Getz, since Chet Baker was always a hard core druggie and alcoholic, Getz wanted to dissassociate that altogether from his life after the end of the 70's. Chet was just too much for him. They mutually admired each other until the end, though.
But yeah, it was certainly a tragedy how Chet went.
1979saxman 1 year ago
I dont care if Chet was stoned, worn out from drugs, beaten senseless buy the people who abused him or himself, stan getz knew he was amongst genius and recorded it thank god for that or otherwise we wouldnt be listening to this flawless playing now..who in this day and age can measure up to Chet? I never knew of his recordings during his life times to my own disadvantage but we have it on record thank god
colleenbaid 1 year ago 2
@colleenbaid Who can measure up? No one. The seamless inner logic the overall satisfying structure of his solos were and are peerless. Others have come and we are in the era of pyrotechnic trumpet playing. I admire their techniques ... but high notes and riffs in the upper register aside who has ever constructed solos like this 'on the fly'. He was unique for those who have the ears to understand what he was achieving.
Arborwaychet 7 months ago 7
@Arborwaychet beautifully said. Chet is the man. I will take lyrical, melodic playing any day over high notes and technique. Have you checked out Till Bronner?
whumbyrd1 2 months ago
@Arborwaychet Check Till out of YouTube. He records a lot of SHIT music just to sell records....When he playing JAZZ his sound and approach is very chet like. He OWNS the horn. Effortless player.
whumbyrd1 2 months ago
Chet Baker is a Folkloric emblem from Yale, Oklahoma, a true American music genius!!!
astronomicato 1 year ago
tragic way to end the number
Crlmrtn 1 year ago
No teeth ... no high notes ... possibly stoned ... None of it mattered, because his sheer musical genius always carried to the audience. Just wonder how many players can create such beautiful lines and never play cliches night after night.
Arborwaychet 1 year ago
@Arborwaychet --That is right!!!
astronomicato 1 year ago
They did this tour in Sweden 1983 and hated eachother.
aslom44 1 year ago
Deux géants ! Deux étoiles filantes qui ont eu la bonté de passer nous rendre visite, encore merci à vous........
56totof 1 year ago
Correct, they didn't like each other at all...
gmax6060 1 year ago
One critic said that had Getz and Baker been hooked on the same drug, they may have got on better - Getz was a very heavy drinker, but Baker was on heroine.
Getz was an agressive person who always wanted to rule the roost, whereas Baker was 'a beautiful man' . He could also sing which appealed to that part of the audience who knew little about jazz. Getz was therefore jealous, got rid of Baker for peanuts in the middle of the 35 concert tour and walked away with 20 000 dollars for himself.
pouzarot 2 years ago 2
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Nonettegetz 2 years ago 2
@Nonettegetz I do not understand your analogy, these are two very different instruments, and Baker and Getz,, are in total control of the music in this take, is a real pleasure listening to this two Jazz Giants!!!
astronomicato 1 year ago
@astronomicato : Neither do I! :-) I was watching the video, while writing the comment. Sorry. Anyway, I do agree with you 100%. It is a pleasure and both are in perfect control of their instruments. What I meant is that Baker's rendition is absolutely brilliant and not overshadowed at all by Getz's sound, in my opinion the best sound ever achieved in tenor sax.
Nonettegetz 1 year ago
what`s stan so pissed off about here??
bagoona 2 years ago
i don't think they got along very well. Chet was so good here though:).
gregsobekofficial 2 years ago