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  • Great vid! Think of it as a layman's intro to holding focus mitts.

  • Ehh! I hear all these great things about Ray but I wasnt impressed by any of that. Id like to see more from him....something to explain why I hear so much hype

  • .i visited Ray's gym a couple years ago and all I have to say is he is the real thing and plus he is as cool as it gets

  • ray longo is the real deal. i learned a lot from him and his staff for the very brief time i studied at the then gym location off of rosyln road in "93". a real gentleman and he looks like the kick ass version of mel gibson.

  • Ray Longo you da man!!!!!!!!!

  • Nice very well done great info. there are alot of trainers( espcially in MA ) who don"t know how to hold mitts and this is very frustrating to the person punching. Boxing however most trainers are very profficient with mitts like the Instructor here in this video.

  • I love Ray. I trained as his gym for two years back when he was in Mineola. All of his classes start with some really tough conditioning.

    Luke, Eric San Jose, Drago, Joe, Serra et al are really chill guys.

  • conditioning such as?

  • Well, when I was there, the conditioning took up a significant portion of the first part of the class. It may have changed, and everyday was something different.  You want a typical day?

  • wait all you guys did was calisthenics? no bag work or pads or anything? normally we do 2 5min rnds of rope for warmup

    stretches 20 push 20 sits ups in 4 diff positions total 80 20 back ups 20 leg lifts 3rnds of shadow boxin then a half hour about of pads or bag drills

  • Huh? The calisthenics WAS the warmup for everything else. The heart of the class was the bag work, thai pads, shadow boxing, sparring, restriction drills, kick shields, etc.

    Everything I listed was just the warmup, which for many gyms is tough enough to count as the conditioning. Of course that wasn't all we did. Ray Longo's gym trains professional fighters, as well as serious "gym fighters" like myself when I trained there.

  • i dunno if id call that a warm up, im at a pro gym but not an advanced class thats half the class. we do 50s too so i can see it

    I never flurry on the bag everythings got a number

    lol im gonna disagree with that i watch good hooks

    yeah i used to be good about stretching but i been hurt and lazy i used to able to almsot do the splits i been gettin back on it though after i been doing my strength training at home i usually stretch first then just shake it out flex it out really

  • I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on the "flurries" and "hooks" because you said you had a foot problem. Those became flurries during the long combos cuz you were way to close to the bag for jabs & crosses. But if your foot hurt, I understand footwork becomes hard.

    A bit less benefit of the doubt on the hook. Some, because you must pivot on front foot, and if that foot hurts... that could be a problem....

  • ...and your hooks that were thrown during the 3 punch combos were fine, esp. the body hooks. However, all the other ones were at best "hook-jab". Again, your foot may have made this tough. But I saw very little pivot on your front leg, and your throwing arm was at a very odd angle (except the short combos). It even seemed like you often straightened your legs during the hook, which is utterly anathema. But I hope your foot feels better & I'm sure when it does your bag work will look good.

  • thanks yeah i have a problem not workin out so i keep myself hurt alot but check me out again some time

  • Yeah, functionality. I'm a firm believer that for athletes and amateur strength athletes, at any given time, there are no more than any 10 given movements that need to be practiced regularly (and then switched every few months).

    To wit:

    Power Clean, Full Squat, Deadlift, Romanian Deadlift, Pull/Chin-up, Bent Rows, Military Press, Bench Press (maybe), Trap Bar Deadlift, Barbell Shrugs, and Horizontal Pull-Ups. Maybe include Power-Style Curls.

  • Lots of jumprope. Usually, 4 4 min. rounds on the rope (a@ high speed, & making guys who could, do the tricks). In between each round, calisthenics. After 1st round, might be simple 20/20/20 (pushup, situp, squat). After 2nd, maybe 150 jumping jacks, 45 pushups, 40 situps, 40 leg lifts. After 3rd, partner clapping pushups, 50 situps, 50 leg lifts, 40 squats plus 20 jumping squats. After fourth, ALWAYS walkout pushups. Walkout, do 1, walk back. Walkout, do 2, back. ETC up to 15. Example day.

  • thats a pretty strong routine most of the times i hear "conditioning" im not impressed but thats alot more then even we do

  • lol and i got this roid loving body builder personal trainer wannabe downrating my videos sending his family and fans to do the same,even though he cant do better, so hook it up with some rates and comments dude lmao and please go look at his bag videos if you need a laugh

  • Choose 3-4 per workout, and work them HARD for 30-40 minutes MAX. Do this 3 times weekly, varying the exercises. Change the exercises every 4-6 months.

    On your off days, combines this with high rep calisthenics, ab work (concentrating on core strength), & a few nice kettleball moves for core strength combined w/ dynamic movement. Perhaps add one or two grip exercises like thick bar reverse curls, chin-up bar hangs, or hand squeezes with the Captains of Crush series available from Ironmind.

  • Obviously, warm-up before your workout. But, and this is SO important, ALWAYS stretch for 10-15 minutes after your weight workouts, full body. This prevents injury, decreases soreness, and provides for long term flexibility.

    Just my humble opinion.

  • LOL Yeah, everyone encounters one of those. Jot down the list of the 10-12 exercises I wrote. Do 3-4 of them, 3x weekly. GO HARD. Vary it each time. Some days you may go for a limit; some days you may go for a devastating 20 rep max; sometimes you might try 5 sets of 5, or 8 sets of 2 with the same weight.

    I also train with some of the more exotic strength implements, but not everyone has those.

  • lol devestating i do more then that all the time i usually dont even rep i just go for the limit or i do as many as i can in a certain amount of time. i try to workout daily when my foots not broke along with my hand i get alot mroe activity i havent been so strick lately.

    yeah unless your using heavy i do a minimum or 20 reps x2 or 3 and with heavy shit 7 reps 2ce if you wanna be dumb you can tear for like 3 reps

    all the fancy stuff can be simulated as far as ive seen,what you got?

  • I'm not saying this to be a jerk (seriously), but I think you typed this last post really understand. I have no idea whatsoever as to what you are saying.

    Personally, with heavy lifts like those, whether max attempts or balls-out 20's, I don't recommend lifting more than 3, maybe 4 x weekly, esp. if you also are kickboxing.

    And what do you mean by "What you got"? And what do you mean by the fancy stuff being simulated? I can't make heads or tails of your sentence.

  • lol devestating? i do more reps then that all the time,as a standard i dont go under 20 reps 2 or 3 sets, unless im going heavy, then ill do at least 2 sets of 7 ,if you wanna be dumb you can tear muscles for fast fluffy gains by going really heavy for 3 reps.

    you said you got exotic strenfth impliments and i say all the fancy stuff can be simulated,as far as ive seen. what stuff do you got

  • That's only slightly less convoluted, but, if I understand correctly?

    "Tear muscles for fast fluffy gains by going really heavy for 3 reps"?

    3 reps is NOT the range for optimally building muscle. 3 reps is for strength, both pure and (if the right exercise functional). It can be done quite safely if you have experience and proper coaching. The last thing it does is build "fluffy" muscle.

  • As for the "exotic" confusion, that may be my fault as that word wasn't clear. You probably thought I meant exotic machines, when I meant the opposite. I meant exotic as in non-traditional. Farmer's walks with air tanks or sewer grates, flipping tractor tires, dragging nautical chains, thick handled barbells, the Atlas stones, etc. All done hard and heavy, but with the best form possible and with good coaching.

  • sure if you say so i will respond with correctitude reguardless of your ability to understand

    fluffy=strong for 30 seconds

    yeah all that stuff is making a come back its not as exotic as it once was thats also strong man training what your describing really i do farmer walkin and i seen those fat grip things i would just wrap a towel around my freeweight but it is a good idea even though i dont do that one

  • Exactly why are you choosing to write in the tone of a jerk when I've been very polite?

    When people speak of fluffy muscles, they usually refer to bodybuilding-produced muscles (big, but not useful).

    Also, the point of many lifts is to make you stronger for an absolute effort, which is very important in MMA. Also, many of those styles of lifts actually drag on for several minutes.

    Nothing I said about such training implied that I thought "conditioning strength" wasn't equally important.

  • lol im not trying to be a jerk but nobody ever understands, but it looks fine to me...usually

    yeah big from doing low reps theyre strong for 30 seconds then theyd be tired theyre like you said not useful

    and dunno how you got the impression i thought you thought it wasnt

  • I did not say doing heavy weights for low reps was not useful. It's extremely useful, as maximum, explosive strength is vital in kickboxing and MMA. What I said was that it is not the ONLY necessary component. Conditioning is needed in order to be able REPEATEDLY perform those movements even when tired, and to be able to control cardio.

    And, as I said, doing low reps is not the best way to get big. More like 8-12 is. Low reps is functional (if the exercise is). The strongest in ...

  • ... the world, other than strongmen who don't have a standardized sport, are olympic weightlifters, many of whom are not that large at all but lift prodigious weights, with incredible and nearly unmatched athleticism.

    But again, I'm not sure if my comments are helpful because your sentences are so convoluted and your words often self-manufactured. For all I know, I agree with you, but I don't know because you won't take the time to proofread your comment.

  • lol and you should put some video up

  • And if I had wheels, I'd be a wagon. I'm willing to tell you my background (4.5 years of kickboxing, mostly San Shou; 1.5 years submission wrestling; various bursts of pure boxing over the years), but beyond that I don't brag about my skills compared to anyone else. I'm a hobbyist, though an intensive one.

    I don't post videos of this for the same reason I don't post videos of anything else that I do. I don't feel like recording my daily activities and posting them for all the world.

  • I don't have a gym setup at home, so I can't just set shit up right in front of my computer. I have no desire to bring my computer to my gym and ask someone to film me doing something that I do for my own pleasure solely for the edificiation of a keyboard warrior.

    I don't disrespect that you choose to post videos. If you enjoy that, good for you. That's your taste, and you're entitled to it. I'm not knocking it. But the tone with which you respond to polite commentary is rude & nonsensical

  • dont be rediculous its called a camera look into it its not a big combersome hassle, nor is saying you should post something

    i told you im not being rude but your going crazy now lol dont patronize me im a keyboard warrior but your not disrespecting? nor was your original statement of "throw actual combos" when all of my combos come from fight tape.

    lol whatever

  • I never said it's a huge technological innovation, but a) I don't currently have a kickboxing gym membership (CURRENTLY) b) I really don't care about videotaping myself. You may tell me you're not being rude, but reading your posts, jumbled as they were, certainly made you come across that way.

    It was that rudeness that led me to respond with "keyboard warrior", which was my only rude comment at all. I bent over backwards to not structure anything as an insult.

  • And if you read my statement, I did acknowledge that you threw some actual combos, the shorter ones. And I said that your hooks were fine during those combos.

    What I said, if you read it, was that during the longer combos, because of your footwork (which I repeated acknowledged was due to your injury, not skill) made you too close to the bag, so regardless of the combo you meant to set up, they became messy, hence "flurries".

    I offered constructive criticism, and very politely I might add.

  • Just looked at your page, of you sparring the heavy bag.

    Constructive criticism (not an insult!):

    1) You are not incorporating proper footwork into your bag work, which is vital.

    2) You are not throwing intelligent combinations. You shouldn't just wail away at the bag; throw combos you'd actually use in a match, and also use head movement and hand position to "block" as you would in a match.

  • 3) Your punches lack snap. You KNOW the bag is there, so you are artificially stopping most of your punches short. I'm not talking about hyperextending your arm or anything... but punch THROUGH the bag. Go for full extension. When your glove DOES make contact with the bag, there will be a split second of further extension, and then SNAP BACK. Don't punch the bag; punch THROUGH the bag and snap.

  • and one last bit is go watch pacqiao on the heavy bag

  • D) Your jab needs a lot of work. Every time you throw it, you allow you elbow to drift far from your body. Bad because: 1. The jab needs to be a straight punch, launched from the shoulder (and a bit of hips), with the elbows IN. 2. If you jabbed like that in a match, your opponent would use body hooks to throw a whoop-ass party on your ribs.

    Constructive criticism, not an insult! Keep at it and good luck!

  • lol look at some other ones my foots broken i know i wasnt moving well on top of my stand has legs so its hard to move around my arm was just broken still healin a bit

    i think your seeing my hook as a jab

    aw dude intelligent combos? 32? 1532? 26? 12? 2 3 2? 1 2 cover for counter2 and throw 4? just off the top of my head.... all stolen from various heavy hitters...i dont think most of my combos up, i watch boxers and only champs when i throw the 3 as the last shot i step out to get away

  • As I said, I only watched one of your heavy bag videos. But many of the combos seemed like wild flurries (which are great for conditioning). Others were the combos that you list, but the timing was off. Other times you clearly got it right.

    Sorry to hear about your foot.

    However, regardless of whether I'm seeing your hook as a jab, it's still a problem. I didn't see more than maybe a few clean jabs in there. The ones you are calling "hooks" are problematic, because you barely turn the...

  • ....elbow over.... the forearm and upper arm should be approximately 90 degrees, and close to the body. The elbow (unless it's a body hook) should be approximately even with your shoulder (assuming opponent is similar height)... your entire arm, bent at 90 degrees, should be approximately "parallel" with the ground.

    Again, I realize I only looked at one vid, and your foot was injured.  These are just observations, not know it all smarmy comments.

  • I love Ray. I trained at his gym for two years, a few years ago when he was in Mineola.  All of his classes start with some really tough conditioning.

    Luke, Eric San Jose, Drago, Joe, Serra, et al. are really chill guys.

  • Good looking gym, thanks for posting the info

  • Next time record the footwork too

  • hope matt serra beats hughes

  • Thanks, nerd. Ray looks like he's in the mafia...

  • Really good. I'm going to make my bro watch this before he holds pads for me.

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