TAhis is for the people or sheep as FOX news likes to call them on their Christmas card. That building is those most protected building on the planet, they must have cameras every where, they must have over 20 different angles of whatever hit the building as well they confiscated the hotel and gas station security cameras. Why not show just one of these angles, just one, it would clear the whole controversy up in a sec. If it is a plane , show it. Anyone still believing them is totally lost!
It is very clear that a missile was used to bust through there, a 757 would not have behaved like that in no way what so ever, let's get serious here and talk like Adults ok. Now wether they used a small commuter plane that was painted to look like a 757 commercial jet perhaps the missile on it's belly and fired a second before the commuter jet hit is very possible, but a missile definetly did that damage!
"This is going to cause more conspiracies" Uh oh people are going to find out the truth and then realize that FOX NEWS IS A GATEKEEPING PROPAGANDA MACHINE:)
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
@BlazingFerret "I'd love to hear your excuse for why these "scientists" are afraid to publish their rantings in a real journal"
You won't get an answer. He dodges this since he has no excuse for these crackpots who can't publish.
They don't publish for two reasons -- firstly, none of them are qualified to write an engineering paper. Secondly, even if one of them COULD write it --
none of them would publish in any legitimate scientific journal & get laughed out of their profession.
Great argument, so many facts presented I don't know where to start.
Do you realize that your elementary schoolyard attempts at defaming the characters of the people researching 9/11 only expose the fact that you are a premature, uneducated individual, incapable of even responding to the facts and witness testimony I linked.
What makes you think the movement is not growing? You could at least provide an explanation, or a single fact to support your claim.
Great argument, so many facts presented I don't know where to start.
Do you realize that your elementary schoolyard attempts at defaming the characters of the people researching 9/11 only expose the fact that you are a premature, uneducated individual, incapable of even responding to the facts and witness testimony I linked.
What makes you think the movement is not growing? You could at least provide an explanation, or a single fact to support your claim
Just as you ignored every point he made. Gage isn't an engineer, which you lied about. You have no publications for your "experts" after 10 years, and no excuse for it, either.
You're the one who brought up Gage. When he turns out to be a clown with no relevant credentials, you whine like a pussy.
Until the Truther cult manages to put out one scientific paper in a venue where engineers & scientists read it, it will continue to be a joke.
@BlazingFerret This discussion is over. If you are going to deny something exists in the very same comment that you yourself state said papers (which don't exist) are published in loony journals (yet you evade refuting their papers, so has every other scientist, I wonder why, clearly because they are wrong and loony, and because you are so intelligent, so much so that you cannot even begin to refute these papers)
You mean like some ignorant piece of shit who claims an architect is an engineer?
Or someone who pretends a Muslim website in Pakistan is a "scientific journal?" And you really wonder why the scientific world either ignores you or laughs at you?
No wonder you're running away. You keep getting your lies twisted up.
You are aware, no doubt, that your favorite Muslim "journal" has disappeared? Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal is ... no more.
@BlazingFerret "And you really wonder why the scientific world either ignores you or laughs at you?"
If that were true, what reason would you have to spend your entire day responding to us "loons"? (while completely ignoring the PEER REVIEWED papers, regardless of where they are published, not even beginning to refute the facts presented) FEMA, USGS WTC Dust reports, and the RJ Lee WTC Dust analysis corroborate their work. But we'll just evade and ignore that right?...
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
I never expected the little fag to answer anything. He never does, no matter which screen name he's using.
His standard gambit is to just flat-out lie (like architects being engineers) and then deny he said it when he gets caught in the lie.
There is such a thing as a degree called "architectural engineer" but I've never met one in 40 yrs of dealing with engineers. It's a stupid degree & no one wants it.
@blueshark69 "I never expected the little fag to answer anything"
Great argument. Thanks for demonstrating that you cannot even begin to refute their work.
"In other words, in your parallel world the Scientology and Christian Science websites are just as legitimate as Scientific American or the engineering journals published by Harvard or UCLA?"
Interesting how you state I live in a parellel world, as you evade the facts presented and change the subject to irrelevant journals.
@blueshark69 "I never expected the little fag to answer anything"
Great argument. Thanks for demonstrating that you cannot even begin to refute their work.
"In other words, in your parallel world the Scientology and Christian Science websites are just as legitimate as Scientific American or the engineering journals published by Harvard or UCLA?"
Interesting how you state I live in a parellel world, as you evade the facts presented, instead mentioning "christian science websites" legitimacy
You try to portray Bentham's Moslem website as a legitimate scientific journal .... oops, EX-website, since they, along with Harrit's paper, have evaporated.
You have no standards for scientific publication, so why not Scientology or any other crackpot cult? Now that Bentham is dead, you have nothing left but Truthy websites, which YOU think are "journals."
You still fumble and dance - why can't they publish in a real journal?
@blueshark69 (continued) as if the legitimacy of the "Christian Science websites" that you mentioned has anything to do with 9/11.
Equally as amusing, is the fact that your idea of discussing/researching someone's claims appears to be determining whether or not they are an Engineer. You conveniently omit, distort facts even on this level, to advance your predetermined idealogy/reality that this man is a "fag" and should be ignored because he is an architect not an engineer.
@99Eternal "determining whether or not they are an Engineer"
You Truthies brought it up, not me. Someone said he was an engineer. I said that was bullshit. Then YOU trotted out with the idiotic LIE that an architect was an engineer & that's what it said on their diplomas.
That was a stupid lie, and you got caught.
You claim he has some relevant credentials --- so why is he scared shitless to publish anything in any of 50 major engrg publications by univ. or professional societies?
@BlazingFerret "In this country an architect who tries to practice as a structural engineer will go to jail for fraud"
When did I say Architects are structural engineers? Understand the argument before you rudely interrupt and embarrass yourself.
I find it funny that you bicker over whether Gage is technically an Engineer or not, while evading the facts he presents. Architects just make buildings look pretty, right? They have no clue how they are built, though they design the entire thing?
You're the one whining about Gage being an engineer ... which you claim he IS. He does not claim to be one and doesn't list himself anywhere as an engineer.
He may be dumb enough to equate cardboard boxes with steel skyscrapers, but even he isn't dumb enough to pretend he's an engineer.
By lying about his credentials. He has no engineering credentials. He has only a Bach. degree in Architecture, not "Architectural Engineering."
Gage has never "said" anything in the scientific world, and neither has anyone else in the Truthy Cult. They're AFRAID to publish anywhere that engineers might see it, so they scrawl it on the shithouse walls of the internet to impress the scientifically ignorant.
@blueshark69 "By lying about his credentials. He has no engineering credentials. He has only a Bach. degree in Architecture, not "Architectural Engineering.""
Never said he did. Is that the only way you are able to "win" an argument, by making false claims?
I said many Architects (notice the word "many"? not "gage"?) degrees state Architectural Engineer. They work throughout the project with the S.E, P.E, literally everyone involved in Engineering of the building.
@blueshark69 Furthermore, what does Gage's credentials have to do with 9/11, you fact evading, incompetent shill? What does Gage's credentials have to do with the link I sent you, about the Pentagon, which you asked for, which is what the video is about, which HAS ABSOLUTELY NO REFERENCE TO GAGE?
Each time you evade facts, use profanity, and attempt to downplay the credentials of a licensed professional, you demonstrate your inability to even begin to refute the fact presented. Keep going. :)
@blueshark69 "Still waiting for all those eyewitnesses who saw something besides a jetliner."
watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o&feature=channel_video_title I linked it to you over 12 hours ago, you imbecile. You love evading facts, don't you?
Also - I never said any of the witnesses saw something besides a jetliner. Most of them DID see a jetliner. It's WHERE they saw the jetliner, amongst several other points. You'd already know that if you hadn't of ignored the link I sent you 12 hours ago.
Still trying to figure out the difference between a 757 and a 767?
You really need to be more careful about the crap you copy directly off of wacko websites. Most of that old shit is embarrassing even for nutjobs like Gage and the Loose Change kiddies.
@blueshark69 What are you talking about? Perhaps if you were to include a single fact instead of evading facts while spouting elementary school playground profanity, perhaps then your comments would count for something more than absolutely nothing.
Why are you talking about the difference between a 767 and 757? When did I mention anything relvant to this? Why is this relevant? What point are you attempting to make(besides stating we are kiddies, while YOU use childish language)
@blueshark69 What are you talking about? Perhaps if you were to include a single fact instead of evading facts while spouting elementary school playground profanity, perhaps then your comments would count for something more than absolutely nothing.
Why are you talking about the difference between a 767 and 757? When did I mention anything relvant to this? Why is this relevant? What point are you attempting to make(besides stating we are kiddies, while YOU use childish language).
@BlazingFerret "Ten years ... zero publications ... were they too busy having their nails done?"
Collectively, they have over one hundred published and peer reviewed papers in open journals around the globe...many of these papers remain unchallenged. I wonder why that is? I wonder why you are unable to respond to them? Instead you hide on youtube, troll 9/11 videos with disinformation, and attack the characters of these professionals while evading the facts they present which you can't explain!
@BlazingFerret "You have no publications for your "experts" after 10 years, and no excuse for it, either."
You can't type one sentance without blatantly lying, let alone even begin to refute the facts they present.
They are all conspiracy kooks yet you cant even begin to refute their published peer reviewed papers which you deny exist even though you just finished saying they are published in loony journals (but they dont exist, right?)
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
In other words, in your parallel world the Scientology and Christian Science websites are just as legitimate as Scientific American or the engineering journals published by Harvard or UCLA schools of engineering?
You obviously have no clue what peer review is, and only a distant and troubled understanding of scientific publication.
Better run away before you get in too deep and embarrass yourself further.
nah, he's a cool dude. But let's face it, 911 discussions are a waste of time, neither side will change its opinions, despite everyone being so open minded
HEY LOOK!!!!! It was the eco friendly airplane! It so friendly to the environment that it dissolves into the air on impact!!! What will they think of next????? Those boeing guys are so smart.
@MsgtSpook You just said "normal white people dont have any problem finding pictures of engine parts, landing gear, struts, etc -- all from a 757" So...... Whats your point? You have to be a normal white person to be able to find pictures of airplane parts?.... If I was a normal black guy what kinda pictures would i have no problem finding?. What if I was Chines? Italian?
watch?v=ssuAMNas1us&feature=related this is for you guys that say no engineer has doubts or facts. Enjoy and debunk it if you can. There are articals and videos every where.
You claim DIckie Gage is an engineer? Are you really that stupid? Or don't you know the difference between a hack architect and an actual engineer?
How come after ten years you can't find one engineer, anywhere, who has the balls to put his crackpot theories in writing and submit it to an engineering journal?
Let me guess ... you never took a science course in your life, and have no understanding of peer review or how scientific publication works.
Since you pretend you're a hotshot aviation mechanic, when are you going to tell us what that engine part is -- you know, the one that the engineers claim is a compressor stage from a 757?
@MsgtSpook ... I can tell you all about it. There are many stages of compressors each with a different angle of incidence in different sizes. If one survived there should be over 10 to 20 independent compressors laying on the ground. Not just one. They are not as well made as the exhaust turbines because they do not reach the same temps as the exhaust. The exhaust should have been on the ground un harmed not the compressor because of its metal composition.
@kren2012 "there should be over 10 to 20 independent compressors laying on the ground"
So you're not going to be happy unless they dug through the rubble, dragged out every engine part & photographed them individually for your amusement?
Next time I'm sure the FAA & NTSB will take your valuable recommendations seriously.
I notice you don't deny that this is obviously from a 757 engine, either. Chickenshit little twat.
I guess you aren't going to tell us why you keep lying about that pathetic faggot Gage, or why you stepped on your dick and got caught lying about Abbot, who says the plane DID hit the Pentagon?
One of you is lying. So we got a choice between believing a real soldier who was actually at the Pentagon ... or some sad little pussy like you.
"Ive been an engineer for 22 years & could baffle your small mind"
Still waiting for your engineering analysis of the WTC or Pentagon collapses. I know the Jrnl of Engineering Mechanics and MIT, among others, would love to see you pick apart their peer-reviewed studies, which concluded that plane impacts & uncontrolled fires caused them, nothing else.
So dazzle the engineering world with your skills. You've had ten years to brew something up -- unless you're just another Truthy phony.
@MsgtSpook Better Idea. How about you show me the pictures where the plane hit the ground like the news had said it did. You show me where you got your proof. Show me your proof and make me a believer because everyone who says they have proof that it was a plane and that it hit the ground has come up empty handed. And if your an engineer then You are either a shity one OR your being paid to dis inform. Lets battle out wits knowledge. I went to school for aviation mechanic. Are you ready?
@kren2012 "everyone who says they have proof that it was a plane"
You're saying that all the eyewitnesses, all the first responders, and the thousands of soldiers & firemen who did the recovery for months, collecting 757 parts & passenger bodies, are LIARS?
You haven't the balls to show up at Fort Myer or the Arl. Fire Dept. and spout that shit.
@kren2012 Do me a favor & shut this dumb ass up! MsgtSpook thinks he's got it all figured out & keeps making himself look like a fool. I think you pretty much shut him down with this last comment. Thakyou & good day ...
Why? Does it embarrass you that you can't answer a single question he asks - like why you can't find an engineer to publish supporting your delusions. Or why 100s of eyewitnesses saw the jetliner you claim didn't exist, and nobody saw a missile?
You're the one calling the firefighters at the Pentagon liars. From the safety of your momma's basement, of course.
@kren2012 "where the plane hit the ground like the news had said it did"
You always believe whatever you see on the news? Are you really that gullible?
Oh yeah, I really believe you went to school for aviation mechanic, when you can't even recognize the compressor stage of a 757, or its landing gear or struts, even when AerospaceWeb feeds you the photos and diagrams.
You keep avoiding the AeroWeb article. Afraid to be shown up as a liar?
He tried to claim Gage was an engineer, and then ran away when he got caught in the lie.
The Truthers' big problem is that they assume everyone else is as stupid as they are, so they can't figure out why they keep getting caught in really stupid lies, that a ten-yr-old could check in two minutes.
@MsgtSpook It's like this my little gay friend! Darkness cannot possibly comprehend the light & it's not going to start with you.... Your about as stupid as they come .......
"It's like watching a bunch of kids, who get pissy when an adult comes up and says, "You're not really a pirate, Billy."
There are only two reactions when these morons have to face uncomfortable facts -- they either whine like a sissy, or try desperately to change the subect.
Or both. Still no answer as to why no engineer or scientist will back their lunacy with even one article, anywhere.
@BlazingFerret You asked me to explain it. K. Here I go. The plane hit the building. The news team showed up right after the "Incident" then the fire department........ And they recorded it... Then what happened next..It went to your tv. Yes. the tv. Then after they did so they cleaned up the evidence then covered the lawn with gravel. AFTER!!!....... And then you commented... Then you proved how dis organized you people are. Back to the short bus pee wee.
@kren2012 "The plane hit the building. ...they cleaned up the evidence then covered the lawn with gravel"
You admit Flt 77 hit the bldg. So what's your point about whether or not it hit any part of the lawn coming in? Why should anyone give a shit, except some teenage Truthy twat?
@MsgtSpook The retards flock together. K. Let me hold your hand and lets read what I said and lets take notice that I know your trying to twist my words. Ok. You go back and tell me where I said an air plane hit the building. Second I personaly talked to Seargent Billy Abott Who was there the morning it happened. He is my uncles best friend. Dont need to believe me. Please tell me more. The floor is yours.
"You asked me to explain it. K. Here I go. The plane hit the building. The news team showed up right after the "Incident" then the fire department......"
Do you even read the crap you post?
Since not one of the 1000s of eyewitnesses who saw the plane, or first responders, or recovery crews saw anything OTHER than a plane, or plane parts (or passenger bodies), the debate about whether a plane hit is over. Unless you have proof otherwise.
@MsgtSpook "recovery crews saw anything OTHER than a plane, or plane parts (or passenger bodies)"
There was at least one sergeant from Ft Belvoir, and a fire lieutenant volunteer from Newport News, who described in interviews finding burned passenger bodies still strapped in plane seats during the recovery phase at the Pentagon. Little Krennie will claim they are liars, of course, along with the thousands of other volunteers who worked the site.
@BlazingFerret "described in interviews finding burned passenger bodies still strapped in plane seats during the recovery phase at the Pentagon"
That won't bother the Truthie zealots, who think all the recovery workers are lying about the luggage, burned bodies still strapped in plane seats, etc.
But they'll swallow all the transparent lies in Loose Change, PrisonPlanet and the rest of the born losers in their little cult.
I don't give a fuck whether a wingtip hit, or didn't, since it's irrelevant to anything. A number of witnesses said it happened, but who gives a shit?
Or is this just another strawman because you can't refute the evidence for a 757?
Like the AerospaceWeb analysis? Or do you even know what that is?
@MsgtSpook Man dude! LET IT GO! YOU FAIL MISERABLY! don't you see that you've completely lost your case? Your an idiot & I'm guessing your the type who hates to be proven wrong. STFU & find another channel to harass!
Still waiting for you to find some demo professionals that say the towers were demo'd ... still waiting for you to name some engineer who has published a dispute to NIST, or FEMA, or Bazant, or Eagar & Musso, etc.
Are all your "experts" too busy at UFO conventions, or adjusting their little tinfoil hats?
Are they unable to handle the math in the papers by real engineers?
@MsgtSpook Ok..... You dont believe me? Look up Billy Abott and you tell me it was made up you fucking retard. Call him your self and lets see what you think. He said that after the disaster they laid gravel. So the news said the plane tip hit the ground and left a mark,but when you look at the footage there are no marks. So yes you should give a shit because if you are just going with it with out the facts then your an idiot and a sheep fucker. Fucking retard.
Is there a point to this? So far, in your tormented version of bad English, you say that this asshole disagrees with what the fucking news broadcasters said.
Nobody else gives a fuck, but you're obsessing over something you can't even articulate a reason for.
@MsgtSpook weres your proof? You ask us to produce it all day long and as much proof you have by looking at these videos you still havent produced this "proof" you claim you have. Know what I am saying?
@blueshark69 Think bout this. How did I know who he was and where he was that day...... Wild guess?... The news?..... The internet?........... How did I know who he was?.... Should tell you something... Are you starting to figure it out yet?
@kren2012 "you know that I was telling you the truth"
Doesn't prove shit. I know more from Googling Abbot than you do, obviously. He says you conspiracy nutters are fucking insane. He KNOWS there was a plane there, despite your teenage delusions.
@MsgtSpook Funny. You dont even realize what you just proved. You called me a liar when I told you who I talked to. How did I know he was there and how do I know how to contact him. You just proved me to not be a liar. Whos really the joke...Kid
I'd love to hear your excuse for why these "scientists" are afraid to publish their rantings in a real journal, like Science, Nature, Journal of Engineering Mechanics, or the structural engineering journal, "Structure."
Uploading to loony websites isn't "publishing" in the scientific world, as even the hacks in the Truthy Cult know.
If these clowns ever actually publish somewhere real, rather than the scientific equivalent of scrawling it on the shithouse wall, it might get disputed.
In the unlikely event these fools could even produce a paper at all.
Why are these clowns afraid to publish where actual engineers & scientists might read it?
Still waiting for some lame-ass excuse why you claimed the wheel in the Pentagon wasn't from a 767. The plane was a 757, and that's a 757 wheel.
You still haven't given us names of all these witnesses who saw something other than a plane.
Still won't tell us why these scientific geniuses of yours only post on websites no one ever heard of, instead of publishing in real peer-reviewed engineering journals.
@BlazingFerret witnesses saw a plane fly over the pentagon after the explosion. Google it. Or email me for the link. Pentagon officers said this I have the link.
@MsgtSpook So if you dont dive a shit rather or not the tip hit or not your pretty much saying that you will just believe what your told and your dis reguarding the facts and evidence. You tell me how you manage to be a critical thinker when you ignore the facts and then make an assumption or form an opinion. You would make a lousy investigator,judge,juryman or parent. Please do your self a favor and look at all the evidence and learn to piece it together first then for an opinion. K?
@BlazingFerret "missiles, Invisible Demolition Elves, or termites that brought down the Pentagon"
All of the above.
Truth Fairies don't have the balls to say what they think happened. They know the laughter would be massive, since they don't have a theory that will survive the Giggle Test.
@blueshark69 Actually, my theory happens to be corroborated by witness testimony(the most credible witnesses in fact, who worked at or near the pentagon and whose statements are on official record with the library of congress), as well as the NTSB's flight data, as well as the physical damage to the building and the light poles, and by the so-called "plane wreckage" (one part of an engine that doesn't match a 767, one "wheel" with 8 spokes, 767 have 10 spokes, and NO SERIAL #'s - another first?
@99Eternal "doesn't match a 767, one "wheel" with 8 spokes, 767 have 10 spokes"
Perhaps you would have better luck if you actually knew what kind of plane we were discussing.
Flt 77 was a Boeing 757, not a 767.
Plenty of photos of 757 wheels in the AerospaceWeb analysis, if you bothered to read it. They even have an actual photo of the plane in question, BEFORE the crash. The wheels match. You lose.
That turd was flushed many years ago. You should try to keep up.
You missed answering why you Truthers still can't find even one engineer, anywhere, who will back up your juvenile delusions by publishing a paper. They're afraid to even respond to NIST or Bazant, and damn sure don't have the balls to publish what they think happened on 9-11.
TAhis is for the people or sheep as FOX news likes to call them on their Christmas card. That building is those most protected building on the planet, they must have cameras every where, they must have over 20 different angles of whatever hit the building as well they confiscated the hotel and gas station security cameras. Why not show just one of these angles, just one, it would clear the whole controversy up in a sec. If it is a plane , show it. Anyone still believing them is totally lost!
Allanlegacy43 4 days ago
It is very clear that a missile was used to bust through there, a 757 would not have behaved like that in no way what so ever, let's get serious here and talk like Adults ok. Now wether they used a small commuter plane that was painted to look like a 757 commercial jet perhaps the missile on it's belly and fired a second before the commuter jet hit is very possible, but a missile definetly did that damage!
Allanlegacy43 4 days ago
Can Any of those retarded idiots answer simple question?
If Us Government Wanted To Attack Pentagon, WHY WOULDN'T THEY USE REAL BOEING 757 WITH ALL APPROPRIATE MARKINGS?
ssmusic214 1 month ago
"This is going to cause more conspiracies" Uh oh people are going to find out the truth and then realize that FOX NEWS IS A GATEKEEPING PROPAGANDA MACHINE:)
MrPurpose79 2 months ago
@percussim
how many eyewitnesses seen anything other than an aircraft? bearing in mind 136 people seen an aircraft.
Stu3100 3 months ago
"If that were true"
It is, unless you can show us some indication that the scientific world is actually paying the slightest bit of attention to you Truther idiots.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
I just looked up Harrit's "paper."
Bentham has taken down the entire website & put up one with a slightly different name.
But Harrit's paper is GONE !
Apparently even a Moslem website in Pakistan can only take so much laughter from real scientists & engineers.
Hahahahahahaha
blueshark69 4 months ago
watch?v=nAMlF3KO1vs&feature=player_embedded#!
kren2012 4 months ago
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@99Eternal
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
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@99Eternal
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
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@99Eternal
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
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@99Eternal
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
watch?v=7bEi1FeuniE&feature=related
kren2012 4 months ago
@BlazingFerret "I'd love to hear your excuse for why these "scientists" are afraid to publish their rantings in a real journal"
You won't get an answer. He dodges this since he has no excuse for these crackpots who can't publish.
They don't publish for two reasons -- firstly, none of them are qualified to write an engineering paper. Secondly, even if one of them COULD write it --
none of them would publish in any legitimate scientific journal & get laughed out of their profession.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
What happened to all those Truthies who were bragging about how they were going to jam Ground Zero with demonstrators on the tenth anniversary?
Alex Jones was leasing buses to bring them in from all over ....
Did they forget to mark their calendar?
Was there a UFO convention in Roswell with conflicting dates?
Or were they just afraid they'd get chased away by pissed off NY firemen and family members, like last time Jones showed up with his Crowd of Six?
"growing movement"
ROFLMAO
blueshark69 4 months ago
@blueshark69 ""growing movement""
Great argument, so many facts presented I don't know where to start.
Do you realize that your elementary schoolyard attempts at defaming the characters of the people researching 9/11 only expose the fact that you are a premature, uneducated individual, incapable of even responding to the facts and witness testimony I linked.
What makes you think the movement is not growing? You could at least provide an explanation, or a single fact to support your claim.
99Eternal 4 months ago
@blueshark69 ""growing movement""
Great argument, so many facts presented I don't know where to start.
Do you realize that your elementary schoolyard attempts at defaming the characters of the people researching 9/11 only expose the fact that you are a premature, uneducated individual, incapable of even responding to the facts and witness testimony I linked.
What makes you think the movement is not growing? You could at least provide an explanation, or a single fact to support your claim
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal "incapable of even responding"
Just as you ignored every point he made. Gage isn't an engineer, which you lied about. You have no publications for your "experts" after 10 years, and no excuse for it, either.
You're the one who brought up Gage. When he turns out to be a clown with no relevant credentials, you whine like a pussy.
Until the Truther cult manages to put out one scientific paper in a venue where engineers & scientists read it, it will continue to be a joke.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@BlazingFerret This discussion is over. If you are going to deny something exists in the very same comment that you yourself state said papers (which don't exist) are published in loony journals (yet you evade refuting their papers, so has every other scientist, I wonder why, clearly because they are wrong and loony, and because you are so intelligent, so much so that you cannot even begin to refute these papers)
Blatant lies, I refuse to speak to liars.
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal "I refuse to speak to liars"
You mean like some ignorant piece of shit who claims an architect is an engineer?
Or someone who pretends a Muslim website in Pakistan is a "scientific journal?" And you really wonder why the scientific world either ignores you or laughs at you?
No wonder you're running away. You keep getting your lies twisted up.
You are aware, no doubt, that your favorite Muslim "journal" has disappeared? Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal is ... no more.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@BlazingFerret "And you really wonder why the scientific world either ignores you or laughs at you?"
If that were true, what reason would you have to spend your entire day responding to us "loons"? (while completely ignoring the PEER REVIEWED papers, regardless of where they are published, not even beginning to refute the facts presented) FEMA, USGS WTC Dust reports, and the RJ Lee WTC Dust analysis corroborate their work. But we'll just evade and ignore that right?...
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal "what reason would you have to spend your entire day responding to us "loons"?"
Because it's entertaining watching complete fools twist themselves into knots with their lies and running away.
Some asswipe calling his website "peer-reviewed" hardly makes it so, but it's the best your phonies can manage.
After all, you think Youtube videos are "evidence."
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@99Eternal
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@99Eternal
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
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@99Eternal
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
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@99Eternal
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
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@99Eternal
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@99Eternal
Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal ----
Bentham took down the website, changed the name to Physical Chemistry Journal, and guess which paper they dumped in the process?
Even a Muslim website in Pakistan can only take so much laughter.
That leaves you only with the online Truther websites, and the bathroom walls.
But as long as someone claims the men's room is a journal, you think it's part of the scientific establishment, right?
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@BlazingFerret "you ignored every point he made"
I never expected the little fag to answer anything. He never does, no matter which screen name he's using.
His standard gambit is to just flat-out lie (like architects being engineers) and then deny he said it when he gets caught in the lie.
There is such a thing as a degree called "architectural engineer" but I've never met one in 40 yrs of dealing with engineers. It's a stupid degree & no one wants it.
Bentham is gone. Good riddance.
blueshark69 4 months ago
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@blueshark69 "I never expected the little fag to answer anything"
Great argument. Thanks for demonstrating that you cannot even begin to refute their work.
"In other words, in your parallel world the Scientology and Christian Science websites are just as legitimate as Scientific American or the engineering journals published by Harvard or UCLA?"
Interesting how you state I live in a parellel world, as you evade the facts presented and change the subject to irrelevant journals.
99Eternal 4 months ago
@blueshark69 "I never expected the little fag to answer anything"
Great argument. Thanks for demonstrating that you cannot even begin to refute their work.
"In other words, in your parallel world the Scientology and Christian Science websites are just as legitimate as Scientific American or the engineering journals published by Harvard or UCLA?"
Interesting how you state I live in a parellel world, as you evade the facts presented, instead mentioning "christian science websites" legitimacy
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal "mentioning "christian science websites" legitimacy"
You try to portray Bentham's Moslem website as a legitimate scientific journal .... oops, EX-website, since they, along with Harrit's paper, have evaporated.
You have no standards for scientific publication, so why not Scientology or any other crackpot cult? Now that Bentham is dead, you have nothing left but Truthy websites, which YOU think are "journals."
You still fumble and dance - why can't they publish in a real journal?
blueshark69 4 months ago
@blueshark69 (continued) as if the legitimacy of the "Christian Science websites" that you mentioned has anything to do with 9/11.
Equally as amusing, is the fact that your idea of discussing/researching someone's claims appears to be determining whether or not they are an Engineer. You conveniently omit, distort facts even on this level, to advance your predetermined idealogy/reality that this man is a "fag" and should be ignored because he is an architect not an engineer.
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal "determining whether or not they are an Engineer"
You Truthies brought it up, not me. Someone said he was an engineer. I said that was bullshit. Then YOU trotted out with the idiotic LIE that an architect was an engineer & that's what it said on their diplomas.
That was a stupid lie, and you got caught.
You claim he has some relevant credentials --- so why is he scared shitless to publish anything in any of 50 major engrg publications by univ. or professional societies?
blueshark69 4 months ago
@blueshark69 "He never does, no matter which screen name he's using."
Another thought you decided to fabricate for yourself to suit your predetermined reality.
Please, I encourage you, to prove that I have a second account.
That's honestly sad. I could see if my channel said sub my backup or something like that. But your claims are completely unfounded.
bentham - how convenient - more facts you can ignore, copies are everywhere if you actually intended to refute a single fact presented.
99Eternal 4 months ago
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What happened to all those Truthies who were bragging about how they were going to jam Ground Zero with demonstrators on the tenth anniversary?
Alex Jones was leasing buses to bring them in from all over ....
Did they forget to mark their calendar?
Was there a UFO convention in Roswell with conflicting dates?
Or were they just afraid they'd get chased away by pissed off NY firemen and family members, like last time Jones showed up with his Crowd of Six?
"growing movement" ---
ROFLMAO
blueshark69 4 months ago
What happened to all those Truthies who were bragging about how they were going to jam Ground Zero with demonstrators on the tenth anniversary?
Alex Jones was leasing buses to bring them in from all over ....
Did they forget to mark their calendar?
Was there a UFO convention in Roswell with conflicting dates?
Or were they just afraid they'd get chased away by pissed off NY firemen and family members, like last time Jones showed up with his Crowd of Six?
"growing movement" ---
ROFLMAO
blueshark69 4 months ago
Another Bentham editor resigns in disgust over Harrit's drivel:
tinyurl [DOT] com/3tdobl6
Truthy science at its finest.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
Check out the pentagon conspiracy in the Aimed At America 1 video. When will all these parallels stop being coincidences?
vincent15641 4 months ago
I see the pathetic little fag kren2012 still isn't telling us why he lied, claiming Dick Gage was an "engineer."
Don't expect the little fag will, either. He can't even keep his lies straight, like most Truthie fruits.
blueshark69 5 months ago
@blueshark69 "I see the pathetic little fag kren2012 still isn't telling us why he lied, claiming Dick Gage was an "engineer."
Richard gage is an Architect. When architects complete university, their degrees state "Architectural Engineer".
Architects are Engineers.
watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&feature=channel_video_title
Form a factual argument regarding any of the Engineers' statements in that link, I'd be glad to debate.
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal "Architects are Engineers"
In this country an architect who tries to practice as a structural engineer will go to jail for fraud.
Why do you suppose that pathetic Gage doesn't have the balls to claim he's an engineer?
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@BlazingFerret "In this country an architect who tries to practice as a structural engineer will go to jail for fraud"
When did I say Architects are structural engineers? Understand the argument before you rudely interrupt and embarrass yourself.
I find it funny that you bicker over whether Gage is technically an Engineer or not, while evading the facts he presents. Architects just make buildings look pretty, right? They have no clue how they are built, though they design the entire thing?
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal
You're the one whining about Gage being an engineer ... which you claim he IS. He does not claim to be one and doesn't list himself anywhere as an engineer.
He may be dumb enough to equate cardboard boxes with steel skyscrapers, but even he isn't dumb enough to pretend he's an engineer.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@BlazingFerret "You're the one whining about Gage being an engineer "
I am defending Gage, you are whining about hsi credentials while completely evading the irrefutable facts their organization presents.
I didn;t realize Gage was the only member of this organization...if he is such a phony why can't you refute anything he says?
Incompetence at it's finest, always the case with you 9/11 disinfo trolls.
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal "I am defending Gage"
By lying about his credentials. He has no engineering credentials. He has only a Bach. degree in Architecture, not "Architectural Engineering."
Gage has never "said" anything in the scientific world, and neither has anyone else in the Truthy Cult. They're AFRAID to publish anywhere that engineers might see it, so they scrawl it on the shithouse walls of the internet to impress the scientifically ignorant.
No excuse for why he's afraid to publish?
blueshark69 4 months ago
@blueshark69 "By lying about his credentials. He has no engineering credentials. He has only a Bach. degree in Architecture, not "Architectural Engineering.""
Never said he did. Is that the only way you are able to "win" an argument, by making false claims?
I said many Architects (notice the word "many"? not "gage"?) degrees state Architectural Engineer. They work throughout the project with the S.E, P.E, literally everyone involved in Engineering of the building.
99Eternal 4 months ago
@blueshark69 Furthermore, what does Gage's credentials have to do with 9/11, you fact evading, incompetent shill? What does Gage's credentials have to do with the link I sent you, about the Pentagon, which you asked for, which is what the video is about, which HAS ABSOLUTELY NO REFERENCE TO GAGE?
Each time you evade facts, use profanity, and attempt to downplay the credentials of a licensed professional, you demonstrate your inability to even begin to refute the fact presented. Keep going. :)
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal
Still waiting for all those eyewitnesses who saw something besides a jetliner.
Are you claiming that the ones that saw a jetliner are just stupid, or actually part of this big Illuminati conspiracy?
blueshark69 4 months ago
@blueshark69 "Still waiting for all those eyewitnesses who saw something besides a jetliner."
watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o&feature=channel_video_title I linked it to you over 12 hours ago, you imbecile. You love evading facts, don't you?
Also - I never said any of the witnesses saw something besides a jetliner. Most of them DID see a jetliner. It's WHERE they saw the jetliner, amongst several other points. You'd already know that if you hadn't of ignored the link I sent you 12 hours ago.
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal
Still trying to figure out the difference between a 757 and a 767?
You really need to be more careful about the crap you copy directly off of wacko websites. Most of that old shit is embarrassing even for nutjobs like Gage and the Loose Change kiddies.
blueshark69 4 months ago
@blueshark69 What are you talking about? Perhaps if you were to include a single fact instead of evading facts while spouting elementary school playground profanity, perhaps then your comments would count for something more than absolutely nothing.
Why are you talking about the difference between a 767 and 757? When did I mention anything relvant to this? Why is this relevant? What point are you attempting to make(besides stating we are kiddies, while YOU use childish language)
99Eternal 4 months ago
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@blueshark69 What are you talking about? Perhaps if you were to include a single fact instead of evading facts while spouting elementary school playground profanity, perhaps then your comments would count for something more than absolutely nothing.
Why are you talking about the difference between a 767 and 757? When did I mention anything relvant to this? Why is this relevant? What point are you attempting to make(besides stating we are kiddies, while YOU use childish language).
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal "I'd be glad to debate"
Which is more than those cowardly cocksuckers in AE911truth will do.
Still waiting for one of them to grow a pair of balls and publish something that the rest of the engineering community can laugh at.
Ten years ... zero publications ... were they too busy having their nails done?
ROFLMAO
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@BlazingFerret "Ten years ... zero publications ... were they too busy having their nails done?"
Collectively, they have over one hundred published and peer reviewed papers in open journals around the globe...many of these papers remain unchallenged. I wonder why that is? I wonder why you are unable to respond to them? Instead you hide on youtube, troll 9/11 videos with disinformation, and attack the characters of these professionals while evading the facts they present which you can't explain!
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal "peer reviewed papers in open journals around the globe"
Like Bentham? Which is such a joke that no one will even pay to have their shit uploaded to that Muslim website anymore.
Or the Truthies' own little website? You really think creating a website and calling it a "journal" is how science works?
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@99Eternal "many of these papers remain unchallenged"
Hardly surprising since none were published where it's even remotely likely an engineer or scientist would ever read it.
Just like those shithouse walls, where Stevie Jones scrawled his theory.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@99Eternal "Architects are Engineers"
Nonsense. You're just making that up.
In most universities (perhaps all), Architecture isn't even in their engineering college. It's considered Art & Design, for liberal arts pukes.
It's also the reason architects make about 60% of what an engineer makes.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@BlazingFerret "You have no publications for your "experts" after 10 years, and no excuse for it, either."
You can't type one sentance without blatantly lying, let alone even begin to refute the facts they present.
They are all conspiracy kooks yet you cant even begin to refute their published peer reviewed papers which you deny exist even though you just finished saying they are published in loony journals (but they dont exist, right?)
Incompetent, dishonest shill.
99Eternal 4 months ago
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@99Eternal
Bentham got tired of being a laughingstock and shut down the website. It started another with a similar name, but guess whose paper has been dumped in the process?
Must be those Jews, New World Order & Mossad at work again.
Now you're just left with the Truther websites.
Of course in YOUR world, graffiti on a wall is actual science, as long as someone calls it a "journal," right?
Maybe every scientist and scientific publication in the world is part of the plot.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@99Eternal "published peer reviewed papers"
In other words, in your parallel world the Scientology and Christian Science websites are just as legitimate as Scientific American or the engineering journals published by Harvard or UCLA schools of engineering?
You obviously have no clue what peer review is, and only a distant and troubled understanding of scientific publication.
Better run away before you get in too deep and embarrass yourself further.
blueshark69 4 months ago
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@blueshark69 "I see the pathetic little fag kren2012 still isn't telling us why he lied, claiming Dick Gage was an "engineer."
Richard gage is an Architect. When architects complete university, their degrees state "Architectural Engineer".
Architects are Engineers.
watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&feature=channel_video_title
Form a factual argument regarding any of the Engineers' statements in that link, I'd be glad to debate.
99Eternal 4 months ago
@blueshark69 "I see the pathetic little fag kren2012 still isn't telling us why he lied, claiming Dick Gage was an "engineer."
Architects are Engineers...look at the degree given by the university..its says Architectural Engineer.
watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&feature=channel_video_title
Form a factual argument regarding any of the Engineers' statements in that link, I'd be glad to debate.
PS: Including the word "fag" 5 times per comment only demonstrates you are embarassed about your past ;)
99Eternal 4 months ago
"missiles, Invisible Demolition Elves, or termites that brought down the Pentagon"
And that just covers the more intelligent theories from the Truthie Cult.
The ones involving mini-nukes or reptilian shapeshifters from the outer galaxies ... those are a lot more fun.
BlazingFerret 5 months ago
What happened to that little pussy who claimed he had a bunch of demo pros who said the towers were a demo job?
After his "experts" got unmasked as phonies, he shit in his lacey panties and ran away.
He was almost as much fun to laugh at as kren.
BlazingFerret 5 months ago
Omg kren, here's what you can do:
1.) google
2.) plane pentagon photos
3.) win
As easy it can be. There's NO way you can fail at that. Google is idiot approved.
NotableJInx2 5 months ago 3
@NotableJInx2
This little conspiracy pussy kren has given up spewing his lies, and now just resorts to whining like a ten-year-old.
The Truther idiots always go down the same path.
BlazingFerret 5 months ago
@BlazingFerret
nah, he's a cool dude. But let's face it, 911 discussions are a waste of time, neither side will change its opinions, despite everyone being so open minded
NotableJInx2 5 months ago
HEY LOOK!!!!! It was the eco friendly airplane! It so friendly to the environment that it dissolves into the air on impact!!! What will they think of next????? Those boeing guys are so smart.
kren2012 5 months ago
@kren2012 "it dissolves into the air on impact"
Normal white people don't have any problem finding pictures of engine parts, landing gear, struts, etc -- all from a 757.
So what's wrong with you? Not smart enough to figure out complex things like Google?
Of course, since you're dumb enough to bring up witnesses that prove you're wrong, that's not too surprising.
MsgtSpook 5 months ago
@MsgtSpook You just said "normal white people dont have any problem finding pictures of engine parts, landing gear, struts, etc -- all from a 757" So...... Whats your point? You have to be a normal white person to be able to find pictures of airplane parts?.... If I was a normal black guy what kinda pictures would i have no problem finding?. What if I was Chines? Italian?
kren2012 5 months ago
watch?v=ssuAMNas1us&feature=related this is for you guys that say no engineer has doubts or facts. Enjoy and debunk it if you can. There are articals and videos every where.
kren2012 6 months ago
@kren2012
You claim DIckie Gage is an engineer? Are you really that stupid? Or don't you know the difference between a hack architect and an actual engineer?
How come after ten years you can't find one engineer, anywhere, who has the balls to put his crackpot theories in writing and submit it to an engineering journal?
Let me guess ... you never took a science course in your life, and have no understanding of peer review or how scientific publication works.
BlazingFerret 6 months ago
@kren2012 "There are articals and videos every where"
In ten years you can't find one engineering study that supports your bullshit about demo or missiles.
Why? Because none of the phony "engineers and scientists" in the Truthy Cult can even write an engineering study, let alone get it published.
Actually, there isn't anyone in the Truthy Cult who has ever, in all recorded history, published an article in any structural engineering journal.
BlazingFerret 6 months ago 2
@BlazingFerret
You can always tell when they get desperate. They run away from any questions, and just throw a hissy-fit like a little girl.
MsgtSpook 5 months ago 2
@kren2012
Since you pretend you're a hotshot aviation mechanic, when are you going to tell us what that engine part is -- you know, the one that the engineers claim is a compressor stage from a 757?
MsgtSpook 5 months ago
@MsgtSpook Tell me aaaaallll about it.
kren2012 5 months ago
@MsgtSpook ... I can tell you all about it. There are many stages of compressors each with a different angle of incidence in different sizes. If one survived there should be over 10 to 20 independent compressors laying on the ground. Not just one. They are not as well made as the exhaust turbines because they do not reach the same temps as the exhaust. The exhaust should have been on the ground un harmed not the compressor because of its metal composition.
kren2012 5 months ago
@kren2012 "there should be over 10 to 20 independent compressors laying on the ground"
So you're not going to be happy unless they dug through the rubble, dragged out every engine part & photographed them individually for your amusement?
Next time I'm sure the FAA & NTSB will take your valuable recommendations seriously.
I notice you don't deny that this is obviously from a 757 engine, either. Chickenshit little twat.
BlazingFerret 5 months ago
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kren2012 5 months ago
@kren2012
I guess you aren't going to tell us why you keep lying about that pathetic faggot Gage, or why you stepped on your dick and got caught lying about Abbot, who says the plane DID hit the Pentagon?
One of you is lying. So we got a choice between believing a real soldier who was actually at the Pentagon ... or some sad little pussy like you.
You lose.
BlazingFerret 5 months ago
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@kren2012
Are you going to tell us why you LIED about Gage being an engineer?
BlazingFerret 5 months ago
@MsgtSpook That was not an exhaust turbine.
kren2012 5 months ago
@MsgtSpook "you pretend you're a hotshot aviation mechanic"
The little fruit is faking it. He can't even follow the analysis of the real engineers on AerospaceWeb.
The little fruit probably can't even find it.
BlazingFerret 5 months ago
"Ive been an engineer for 22 years & could baffle your small mind"
Still waiting for your engineering analysis of the WTC or Pentagon collapses. I know the Jrnl of Engineering Mechanics and MIT, among others, would love to see you pick apart their peer-reviewed studies, which concluded that plane impacts & uncontrolled fires caused them, nothing else.
So dazzle the engineering world with your skills. You've had ten years to brew something up -- unless you're just another Truthy phony.
MsgtSpook 6 months ago
@MsgtSpook Better Idea. How about you show me the pictures where the plane hit the ground like the news had said it did. You show me where you got your proof. Show me your proof and make me a believer because everyone who says they have proof that it was a plane and that it hit the ground has come up empty handed. And if your an engineer then You are either a shity one OR your being paid to dis inform. Lets battle out wits knowledge. I went to school for aviation mechanic. Are you ready?
kren2012 6 months ago
@kren2012 "everyone who says they have proof that it was a plane"
You're saying that all the eyewitnesses, all the first responders, and the thousands of soldiers & firemen who did the recovery for months, collecting 757 parts & passenger bodies, are LIARS?
You haven't the balls to show up at Fort Myer or the Arl. Fire Dept. and spout that shit.
MsgtSpook 6 months ago
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@MsgtSpook "You're saying that all the eyewitnesses, all the first responders, and the thousands of soldiers & firemen... are LIARS?"
That's exactly what he's saying, if he claims that no 757 hit the Pentagon.
He's even dumber than that neo-Nazi skinhead fuck that finally disappeared off here, who claimed he was an "engineer."
BlazingFerret 6 months ago
@kren2012 "I went to school for aviation mechanic"
Must be down to a real dummy course now, since obviously you don't even need to be able to spell, punctuate, or write a sentence in English.
And apparently you can't even identify parts from a 757 from photographs, either.
BlazingFerret 6 months ago
@kren2012 Do me a favor & shut this dumb ass up! MsgtSpook thinks he's got it all figured out & keeps making himself look like a fool. I think you pretty much shut him down with this last comment. Thakyou & good day ...
GeneticallySuperior1 6 months ago
@GeneticallySuperior1 You are welcome.
kren2012 6 months ago
@GeneticallySuperior1 "shut this dumb ass up"
Why? Does it embarrass you that you can't answer a single question he asks - like why you can't find an engineer to publish supporting your delusions. Or why 100s of eyewitnesses saw the jetliner you claim didn't exist, and nobody saw a missile?
You're the one calling the firefighters at the Pentagon liars. From the safety of your momma's basement, of course.
BlazingFerret 6 months ago 2
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@BlazingFerret "why you can't find an engineer to publish supporting your delusions"
I see they're still afraid to answer this, too.
MsgtSpook 5 months ago
@kren2012 "where the plane hit the ground like the news had said it did"
You always believe whatever you see on the news? Are you really that gullible?
Oh yeah, I really believe you went to school for aviation mechanic, when you can't even recognize the compressor stage of a 757, or its landing gear or struts, even when AerospaceWeb feeds you the photos and diagrams.
You keep avoiding the AeroWeb article. Afraid to be shown up as a liar?
BlazingFerret 6 months ago
@BlazingFerret
I see he's hiding from his Dickie Gage lie, too.
He tried to claim Gage was an engineer, and then ran away when he got caught in the lie.
The Truthers' big problem is that they assume everyone else is as stupid as they are, so they can't figure out why they keep getting caught in really stupid lies, that a ten-yr-old could check in two minutes.
MsgtSpook 5 months ago
@MsgtSpook "I see he's hiding from his Dickie Gage lie, too"
That's what little kids do -- they get caught, get embarrassed, and then just hope the adults don't remember.
Even funnier, he tried to bring up some witness from the Pentagon, but it turned out Abbot said there WAS a plane there.
Oops.
BlazingFerret 5 months ago
@MsgtSpook I thought you was dead ! DAMB!
GeneticallySuperior1 6 months ago
@MsgtSpook It's like this my little gay friend! Darkness cannot possibly comprehend the light & it's not going to start with you.... Your about as stupid as they come .......
GeneticallySuperior1 6 months ago
"It's like watching a bunch of kids, who get pissy when an adult comes up and says, "You're not really a pirate, Billy."
There are only two reactions when these morons have to face uncomfortable facts -- they either whine like a sissy, or try desperately to change the subect.
Or both. Still no answer as to why no engineer or scientist will back their lunacy with even one article, anywhere.
BlazingFerret 6 months ago
@BlazingFerret I showed my comments to a few friends of mine. They agree....... Retard.
kren2012 6 months ago
@BlazingFerret You asked me to explain it. K. Here I go. The plane hit the building. The news team showed up right after the "Incident" then the fire department........ And they recorded it... Then what happened next..It went to your tv. Yes. the tv. Then after they did so they cleaned up the evidence then covered the lawn with gravel. AFTER!!!....... And then you commented... Then you proved how dis organized you people are. Back to the short bus pee wee.
kren2012 6 months ago
@kren2012 "The plane hit the building. ...they cleaned up the evidence then covered the lawn with gravel"
You admit Flt 77 hit the bldg. So what's your point about whether or not it hit any part of the lawn coming in? Why should anyone give a shit, except some teenage Truthy twat?
MsgtSpook 6 months ago
@MsgtSpook The retards flock together. K. Let me hold your hand and lets read what I said and lets take notice that I know your trying to twist my words. Ok. You go back and tell me where I said an air plane hit the building. Second I personaly talked to Seargent Billy Abott Who was there the morning it happened. He is my uncles best friend. Dont need to believe me. Please tell me more. The floor is yours.
kren2012 6 months ago
@kren2012
Did you or did you not post the following:
"You asked me to explain it. K. Here I go. The plane hit the building. The news team showed up right after the "Incident" then the fire department......"
Do you even read the crap you post?
Since not one of the 1000s of eyewitnesses who saw the plane, or first responders, or recovery crews saw anything OTHER than a plane, or plane parts (or passenger bodies), the debate about whether a plane hit is over. Unless you have proof otherwise.
MsgtSpook 6 months ago
@MsgtSpook "recovery crews saw anything OTHER than a plane, or plane parts (or passenger bodies)"
There was at least one sergeant from Ft Belvoir, and a fire lieutenant volunteer from Newport News, who described in interviews finding burned passenger bodies still strapped in plane seats during the recovery phase at the Pentagon. Little Krennie will claim they are liars, of course, along with the thousands of other volunteers who worked the site.
BlazingFerret 6 months ago
@BlazingFerret "described in interviews finding burned passenger bodies still strapped in plane seats during the recovery phase at the Pentagon"
That won't bother the Truthie zealots, who think all the recovery workers are lying about the luggage, burned bodies still strapped in plane seats, etc.
But they'll swallow all the transparent lies in Loose Change, PrisonPlanet and the rest of the born losers in their little cult.
MsgtSpook 5 months ago 2
@BlazingFerret "interviews finding burned passenger bodies still strapped in plane seats"
This sort of eyewitness testimony scares the Truthers shitless, so they just ignore it and move on to the next talking point from Loose Change.
blueshark69 5 months ago 2
@kren2012 "I personaly talked to Seargent Billy Abott Who was there the morning it happened"
Are you claiming you talked to some soldier who was there and he says there was no plane?
You're a liar -- or he is. Or you're just making up a name, like most Truthie fucks when they have no evidence at all.
MsgtSpook 6 months ago
@MsgtSpook "Are you claiming you talked to some soldier who was there and he says there was no plane?"
If kren is saying some soldier at the Pentagon says no plane crashed there, kren is a fucking liar.
He's just throwing names around, since he has no such witness at all.
BlazingFerret 6 months ago 2
@kren2012
I don't give a fuck whether a wingtip hit, or didn't, since it's irrelevant to anything. A number of witnesses said it happened, but who gives a shit?
Or is this just another strawman because you can't refute the evidence for a 757?
Like the AerospaceWeb analysis? Or do you even know what that is?
MsgtSpook 6 months ago
@MsgtSpook Man dude! LET IT GO! YOU FAIL MISERABLY! don't you see that you've completely lost your case? Your an idiot & I'm guessing your the type who hates to be proven wrong. STFU & find another channel to harass!
GeneticallySuperior1 6 months ago
@GeneticallySuperior1 "you've completely lost your case"
Still waiting for you to find some demo professionals that say the towers were demo'd ... still waiting for you to name some engineer who has published a dispute to NIST, or FEMA, or Bazant, or Eagar & Musso, etc.
Are all your "experts" too busy at UFO conventions, or adjusting their little tinfoil hats?
Are they unable to handle the math in the papers by real engineers?
blueshark69 5 months ago 2
@MsgtSpook Ok..... You dont believe me? Look up Billy Abott and you tell me it was made up you fucking retard. Call him your self and lets see what you think. He said that after the disaster they laid gravel. So the news said the plane tip hit the ground and left a mark,but when you look at the footage there are no marks. So yes you should give a shit because if you are just going with it with out the facts then your an idiot and a sheep fucker. Fucking retard.
kren2012 6 months ago
@kren2012 "Look up Billy Abott"
Is there a point to this? So far, in your tormented version of bad English, you say that this asshole disagrees with what the fucking news broadcasters said.
Nobody else gives a fuck, but you're obsessing over something you can't even articulate a reason for.
BlazingFerret 6 months ago
@BlazingFerret your a retard. shill
kren2012 5 months ago
@kren2012
In other words, you can't explain why your silly cult can't produce even one engineering analysis, after ten years.
And you can't explain how all those 757 parts got into the Pentagon crash site.
Or why you lied about Dickie Gage being an engineer.
You're a real failure so far, aren't you?
MsgtSpook 5 months ago 2
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@MsgtSpook weres your proof? You ask us to produce it all day long and as much proof you have by looking at these videos you still havent produced this "proof" you claim you have. Know what I am saying?
kren2012 5 months ago
@kren2012 "Look up Billy Abott "
I did. Chief Master Sgt Billy Abbott, who retired in June, said that a plane hit the Pentagon on 9-11. He was there.
So you're saying he's a lying piece of shit and NO plane hit the Pentagon that day?
Or does "...when the plane hit the Pentagon" mean something different to subhumans?
blueshark69 5 months ago 2
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@blueshark69 guess we will find out soon enough.
kren2012 5 months ago
@blueshark69 Think bout this. How did I know who he was and where he was that day...... Wild guess?... The news?..... The internet?........... How did I know who he was?.... Should tell you something... Are you starting to figure it out yet?
kren2012 5 months ago
@kren2012 "How did I know who he was?"
Who cares? He said a plane hit the Pentagon. He was there. You weren't.
Which makes you an idiot. And he proves it.
MsgtSpook 5 months ago
@MsgtSpook @kren2012 "How did I know who he was?"
Who cares? He said a plane hit the Pentagon. He was there. You weren't.
Which makes you an idiot. And he proves it.
MsgtSpook 5 hours ago
Whats your point.... You werent there either....... Wouldnt that prove your an even bigger idiot?
kren2012 5 months ago
@kren2012
Now that your only witness, Abbot, has proved you're a liar and a fool, are you just going to run away and sulk?
You aren't going to do the Truthie Dance for us & give us another big laugh?
BlazingFerret 5 months ago
@kren2012 "How did I know who he was"
The real question is why you were stupid enough to bring up a witness who proves you're a lying piece of shit.
Shit, you're too stupid to even be embarrassed at getting caught again.
BlazingFerret 5 months ago
@kren2012 "Look up Billy Abott"
I did. He says you're a lying sack of shit.
BlazingFerret 5 months ago
@BlazingFerret wow.....So you know that I was telling you the truth. Ha. Thanks for tracking him down.
kren2012 5 months ago
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@kren2012 "you know that I was telling you the truth"
Doesn't prove shit. I know more from Googling Abbot than you do, obviously. He says you conspiracy nutters are fucking insane. He KNOWS there was a plane there, despite your teenage delusions.
BlazingFerret 5 months ago
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@kren2012
You still haven't told us why you lied about Abbot, and lied about Gage.
BlazingFerret 5 months ago
@kren2012
Your own witness, Abbot, says you're a liar. He says a plane hit the Pentagon.
You're a joke, kid.
MsgtSpook 5 months ago
@MsgtSpook Funny. You dont even realize what you just proved. You called me a liar when I told you who I talked to. How did I know he was there and how do I know how to contact him. You just proved me to not be a liar. Whos really the joke...Kid
kren2012 5 months ago
@kren2012 You ARE a liar, since you were trying to claim Abbot disputed that a plane hit the Pentagon.
He said it did. You said it didn't.
You're a liar ... you just don't have enough character to admit when you've had your ass handed to you.
blueshark69 5 months ago
@blueshark69 how did you contact him.... Prove it
kren2012 5 months ago
@kren2012
Abbot says a plane hit the Pentagon. You claim it was something else.
Which one is the lying piece of shit?
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@BlazingFerret Would you like links to some of these peer reviewed, published papers which you deny exist? I'd LOVE to discuss them with you!
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal
I'd love to hear your excuse for why these "scientists" are afraid to publish their rantings in a real journal, like Science, Nature, Journal of Engineering Mechanics, or the structural engineering journal, "Structure."
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@BlazingFerret I didn't realize publishing them in "Structure" would change the facts presented.
Bottom line - why don't you refute their work, either here informally or in a formal, peer reviewed response?
/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&feature=channel_video_title < irrefutable! Corroborated by FEMA, USGS, RJ LEE REPORTS. OH NOES! FACT AND REALITY INCOMING!
Oh and by the way you look hilarious attempting to discredit these 1,550 experts with the credientials of "youtuber" and zero factual input.
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal "publishing them in "Structure"
Uploading to loony websites isn't "publishing" in the scientific world, as even the hacks in the Truthy Cult know.
If these clowns ever actually publish somewhere real, rather than the scientific equivalent of scrawling it on the shithouse wall, it might get disputed.
In the unlikely event these fools could even produce a paper at all.
Why are these clowns afraid to publish where actual engineers & scientists might read it?
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@99Eternal
I take it you have no excuse why they don't publish in an actual scientific journal?
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@99Eternal "I didn't realize publishing them in "Structure" would change the facts"
No, it just changes who reads it.
Real engineers read Structure, JEM, Scientific American, Jrnl of Materials, etc.
If you can't hack the publishing criteria of real journals, you post it on some loony-ass website.
Truther whackjobs read the loony websites.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@99Eternal
Still waiting for some lame-ass excuse why you claimed the wheel in the Pentagon wasn't from a 767. The plane was a 757, and that's a 757 wheel.
You still haven't given us names of all these witnesses who saw something other than a plane.
Still won't tell us why these scientific geniuses of yours only post on websites no one ever heard of, instead of publishing in real peer-reviewed engineering journals.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
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@BlazingFerret witnesses saw a plane fly over the pentagon after the explosion. Google it. Or email me for the link. Pentagon officers said this I have the link.
G1formation 3 months ago
@BlazingFerret He Did? Wow...... How did you contact him and wheres your proof?
kren2012 4 months ago
@kren2012 "How did you contact him"
I read his interview, which you might try.
So far you're afraid to state what he SUPPOSEDLY told you ... in the unlikely event you've even met him.
He has a stated public position that a plane hit the Pentagon.
You have no proof he ever said anything else.
Which leaves you out sucking ass.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@BlazingFerret Where is this interveiw
kren2012 4 months ago
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@kren2012
You mean you've never even read it ... and this is someone who you claim to actually know?
Is your Google broken? Do you really want to embarrass yourself by having me give you the link?
Yeah, why not. You couldn't find anything without adult supervision ... especially the truth.
TinyUrl (dot) com/3vwwmvk
Still waiting for you clowns to find an eyewitness who saw something besides a plane. This guy sure isn't it.
blueshark69 4 months ago
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@kren2012 "how did you contact him.... Prove it"
Why should he. You didn't.
It's pretty obvious you never talked to this guy since he shows you're lying about the Pentagon.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@MsgtSpook So if you dont dive a shit rather or not the tip hit or not your pretty much saying that you will just believe what your told and your dis reguarding the facts and evidence. You tell me how you manage to be a critical thinker when you ignore the facts and then make an assumption or form an opinion. You would make a lousy investigator,judge,juryman or parent. Please do your self a favor and look at all the evidence and learn to piece it together first then for an opinion. K?
kren2012 6 months ago
@kren2012 "the tip hit or not"
He asked you what difference it made whether the tip hit or not, but you seem unable to find an answer.
Still waiting for you to explain why hundreds of eyewitnesses saw the jetliner, and no one saw a missile.
Or does evidence you're unable to understand scare you?
BlazingFerret 6 months ago
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@kren2012
You claimed they hid evidence. What evidence, and where is your proof?
Why are you afraid to answer that?
BlazingFerret 6 months ago
@kren2012 "I personaly talked to Seargent Billy Abott "
So what. Does he claim it was missiles, Invisible Demolition Elves, or termites that brought down the Pentagon wedge?
BlazingFerret 6 months ago
@BlazingFerret "missiles, Invisible Demolition Elves, or termites that brought down the Pentagon"
All of the above.
Truth Fairies don't have the balls to say what they think happened. They know the laughter would be massive, since they don't have a theory that will survive the Giggle Test.
blueshark69 5 months ago 2
@blueshark69
Should be even funnier now that this idiot brings up an eyewitness who proves kren is a complete fool.
Until he got caught, this asshole was going to try to claim Abbott said there was no plane.
Caught with his dick in the dirt, again. Watch him squirm.
MsgtSpook 5 months ago
@blueshark69 Actually, my theory happens to be corroborated by witness testimony(the most credible witnesses in fact, who worked at or near the pentagon and whose statements are on official record with the library of congress), as well as the NTSB's flight data, as well as the physical damage to the building and the light poles, and by the so-called "plane wreckage" (one part of an engine that doesn't match a 767, one "wheel" with 8 spokes, 767 have 10 spokes, and NO SERIAL #'s - another first?
99Eternal 4 months ago
@99Eternal "doesn't match a 767, one "wheel" with 8 spokes, 767 have 10 spokes"
Perhaps you would have better luck if you actually knew what kind of plane we were discussing.
Flt 77 was a Boeing 757, not a 767.
Plenty of photos of 757 wheels in the AerospaceWeb analysis, if you bothered to read it. They even have an actual photo of the plane in question, BEFORE the crash. The wheels match. You lose.
That turd was flushed many years ago. You should try to keep up.
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@99Eternal
Exactly how many eyewitnesses can you name that said it was something other than a jetliner that hit the Pentagon?
BlazingFerret 4 months ago
@blueshark69 "watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o&feature=channel_video_title"
Find the witness statements, NTSB data, physical damage in the linked documentary.
Please give it an honest viewing.
99Eternal 4 months ago
@kren2012 "Second I personaly talked to Seargent Billy Abott "
Are you going to explain the significance of what you CLAIM he said?
Is he a lying cocksucker who says no plane crashed at the Pentagon? I doubt it.
BlazingFerret 6 months ago 2
@BlazingFerret "who says no plane crashed at the Pentagon?"
The Truth Fairies got it backwards again. CMSgt Abbott clearly says that a plane hit the Pentagon on 9-11.
blueshark69 5 months ago 2
@MsgtSpook
Once again, they step on their dicks. Someone thinks Richard Gage is an engineer.
Jesus Tapdancing Christ ... no wonder they're Truthies if they don't know an engineer from some hack architect who builds one-story shopping malls.
BlazingFerret 6 months ago 2
@kren2012 "they cleaned up the evidence"
And exactly which evidence is that? And how do you know this?
MsgtSpook 6 months ago
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@MsgtSpook "@kren2012 "they cleaned up the evidence"
What evidence did they clean up, and where is your proof? You keep running away from this.
BlazingFerret 6 months ago 2
@BlazingFerret Please tell me what I missed.
kren2012 6 months ago
@kren2012 "Please tell me what I missed"
You missed answering why you Truthers still can't find even one engineer, anywhere, who will back up your juvenile delusions by publishing a paper. They're afraid to even respond to NIST or Bazant, and damn sure don't have the balls to publish what they think happened on 9-11.
Just like you.
BlazingFerret 6 months ago