I'm a Chinese. One time I was with a German professor. we went to a bank in China and I signed on a paper. The German professor said it is amazing you can write those hieroglyphic characters so quickly! That's just my name.
Linguistically, I think Japanese is the best way to do writing. It. It contains Kanji for main phrase and words, and kana for connectors and inflections. Chinese Kanji is best for conveying meanings.
i'm from outside east asia. Certified history school books outside East Asia do say that yellow river or huang he of today china or Shang Dynasty created the first wriing in east asia, is 1 of the 4 world major civilzations like Nile River(egypt & Greek), Indus valley (Pakistan&India), Mesopotamia (Iraq). This world basic knowledge. English newspapers say "Han Chinese", never used "chinese" with other races in china. Korean,jap or vietnam language use hanzi of han ppl of china. let ask world
i'm from outside east asia. Certified history school books studied outside East Asia do say that yellow river or huang he of today china or Shang Dynasty created the first wriing in east asia, is one of the 4 world major civilzations like Nile River(egypt & Greek), Indus valley (Pakistan&India), Mesopotamia (Iraq). This world basic knowledge. English newspapers say "Han Chinese" , never used "chinese" with other races in china. Korean language use hanzi language of china. So Ask the World
i'm from outside east asia. Certified history school books studied outside East Asia do say that yellow river or huang he of today china or Shang Dynasty created the first wriing in east asia, is one of the 4 world major civilzations like Nile River(egypt & Greek), Indus valley (Pakistan&India), Mesopotamia (Iraq). This world basic knowledge. English newspapers say "Han Chinese" , never used "chinese" with other races in china. Korean, jap or vietnam language use hanzi language of china.
i'm from outside east asia. The certified history school books studied outside East Asia do say that yellow river or huang he of today china or Shang Dynasty created the first wriing in east asia, and is one of the 4 world major civilzations like Nile River(egypt & Greek), Indus valley (Pakistan &India), Mesopotamia (Iraq). This is world basic knowledge. English newspapers say "Han Chinese" when talking about all races in China, never used "chinese" with other races in china.
@ghoststrider45 i'm from outside east asia. Certified history school books studied outside East Asia do say that yellow river or huang he of today china or Shang Dynasty created the first wriing in east asia, is one of the 4 world major civilzations like Nile River(egypt & Greek), Indus valley (Pakistan&India), Mesopotamia (Iraq). This world basic knowledge. English newspapers say "Han Chinese" , never used "chinese" with other races in china. Korean language use hanzi language of china.
hey people, the Nom script is not Viet's language. We have Khoa Dau script under Hung dynasty. When the Han chinese invaded Vietnam, they had burnt our tradditional books & cuture. That's why we lost the ancient script and had to adopt Chinese characters.
it's not a glory to have a great empire, but rather a shameful thing, building a great empire always means bloody conquering, brutal killing, robbing, -- all empires, british, chinese, egyptian, napoleon, all did the savage dirty jobs to build their "civilization"---what's it to be proud of??? but of coz japan is more retarded coz it did the dirtiest job but didnt get anything but 2 atom bombs --$,$ poor fucker
Hanja, Kanji is the same thing as Hanzi. The characters are near identical, just pronounced differently. Its a system that spread during the Han and Tang dynasties. Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are essentially Yayoi people.
@YummYakitori I don't see how political ideology in the form of a communistic ruling party is related to the culture of people.... From what I know insulting Chinese culture is like insulting PRC China, yes that's your objective, but at the same time you are insulting ROC Taiwan, HongKong - countries officially part of it, as well as most other countries in the Sinosphere, such as Japan, Korea and Vietnam-to some extent Mongolia and all of the disporas across the world ect.
@YummYakitori are you singaporean..malay?indian? if you are singaporean chinese then shame of u cuz you are yellow skin too.. so are you insult you own skin color ?you insult your mother dad,you whole family too.. i know a lot ppl like you who like to insult their own race.. "bodoh!" this word is from me to you.i know you proud to be singaporen but you still chinese.
PLEASE HELP: i need a translation of "strength" in old viet calligraphy. i know its "sức mạnh" (or at least i think) but i need the symbol if anyone can get me a link to where i cud find this it wud be GREAT. thanks(:
@Silverstein1883 no we know Chinese letters. because we study on school and have tests. not as much as my father, grandfather's generation but still some young people are really good at Chinese characters.
2. U.S.A wanted to withdraw with a fake Shanghai's condition to make others think U.S Army left because if China, so they could leave without losing face.
3. In return, U.S.A recognized China
4. In return, U.S.A let China attack South Vietnam's island (Paracel)
That's was a whole comedy show of China and U.S.A to the world
@KatiushaVN4 What battle did the united states ever lose to the Vietnamese? Even when Tet tried to take Saigon it was ultimately repelled. In response, the us was never allowed to invade and occupy Hanoi. It was crucial that China put pressure on North Vietnam to get them to the peace table. Because they alone held the chips to North Vietnam's survival.
I dont know why you keep thinking there was any reason why the us couldnt have just bombed the crap out of North Vietnam and then roll tanks into Hanoi. The Vietnamese never won a major battle in the entire war. Their relentless pursuit to keep fighting with loss after loss for than 10 yrs and the fact that their base of operations were never allowed to be occupied due to a Chinese guarantee is a substantial reason why North Vietnam won the war. If not the only reason.
@KatiushaVN4 I have never heard of that document. But here are some texts coming from official documents stated by both China and the us. Shanghai communique 1972: China states: "All foreign troops should be withdrawn to their own countries. The Chinese side expressed its firm support to the peoples of Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia"
@Lordofthenipplerings us states: "United States on January 27, 1972 represents a basis for the attainment of that objective; in the absence of a negotiated settlement the United States envisages the ultimate withdrawal of all US forces from the region consistent with the aim of self-determination for each country of Indochina".
I also just read through that Shanghai Communique, and I find you American either too naive or did it in purpose. Everyone in the world knows that at that time, the Indochina (Vietnam Lao Cambodia) all under control of North Vietnam (except South Vietnam). China had no right to tell Vietnam what to do. If the American didn't withdraw its troops, China couldn't do anything because N. Vietnam never allowed China to step in. That condition in Shanghai Comminique is funny
@KatiushaVN4 But thats exactly what happened "North Vietnam insisted for three years that the agreement could not be concluded unless the U.S. agreed to remove South Vietnamese President Nguyen Van Thieu from power and replace him with someone more acceptable to Hanoi. Nixon and Kissinger were unwilling to overthrow through an agreement a government the NLF had failed to overthrow by force of arms".
@Lordofthenipplerings "The major breakthrough came on 8 October 1972. North Vietnam had been disappointed by the results of its Nguyen Hue Offensive (known in the West as the Easter Offensive), and feared increased isolation if Nixon's efforts at détente significantly improved U.S relations with the chief communist powers, the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China, who were backing North Vietnamese military effort".
I can understand you try to avoid the truth in order to gain your honour back. In fact, Washington and Beijing shook hand (under table) in the late 1960s. Mao turn green light for the American bombing North Vietnam. Just get the fact straight. No way that you can attack North Vietnam meanwhile you are losing right in your home field (South Vietnam). It doesn't make any sense
@KatiushaVN4 They were still not allowed to invade and occupy North Vietnam. When North Vietnamese airstrips were bombed, those planes that took off and flew to China for safety.
We had some air bases in North Vietnam nearby Hanoi and other provinces and one in China as most of the heavy supplies to Vietnam (from Russia) still kept in China at that time. But all the air bases in Vietnam were all destroyed by U.S.A.F, so we had to use the one airbase in China. Still it doesn't mean China would send their troops to North Vietnam.
@KatiushaVN4 Of course they would. They sent troops to North Korea when the us moved to the Yalu river. China is not going to let its buffer in Southeast Asia get overtaken.
Do you think China can even get into another full scale war with U.S after Korean War because of Vietnam? LOL What a naive person! First China was super poor at that time exhausted after Korean War PLUS Vietnam's supplies assistance (food clothes weapons etc to North Vietnam). China wasn't as rich as U.S.A back then that could spend 500,000 a day in war.
@KatiushaVN4 China fought a war with the us between 1950 and 1952. This was shortly after WW2 and the Chinese civil war which ended in 1949. The us begins to fully intervene in the Vietnam war after 1964. If they were willing to fight a war with the us immediately after the Chinese civil war. They can certainly fight a war against the us 15 years after.
The purpose of Nixon when he became the president was to withdraw all U.S troops in Vietnam to carry out his "Vietnamization" campaign. His plan was to let South Vietnam confront North Vietnam. At the same time, U.S troops could "leave in honour". So that's why in 1972 China and U.S.A had that "particular condition" in Shanghai Communique. That mislead the world that U.S.A left because of China, not North Vietnam. But in fact, everyone could see U.S military lost already
@KatiushaVN4 No, because Vietnam wouldnt come to the negotiation table without Chinese insistence. Kissinger gave China official recognition in exchange that China can get the Vietnamese to the negotiation table. China was not willing to lose North Vietnam as a buffer. But it wasnt against the idea of having the North Vietnamese sign a peace treaty with the us allowing for us withdrawal.
@Lordofthenipplerings And, yet, his visit to China was a success with respect to Viet Nam. China did end up putting pressure on the North. The peace treaty was signed. And, in this respect, President Nixon won this point, a pyrrhic victory.
Nope, after Geneve 1954, North Vietnam's leaders never wanted China to sit down along side with them in any treaty. In fact, North Vietnam hated it when China and U.S.A became closer after Mao's visit U.S.A. They called it betrayal
@KatiushaVN4 "The Soviet Union and China put pressure on North Vietnam to end the war. Both major Communist powers had apparently come to regard Vietnam as a sideshow which must not be allowed to jeopardize the major realignment of power then taking place in the world". 1972 Shanghai Communique, 1973, Paris Peace Accords. After years of refusal by the North Vietnamese to ever come to the peace table.
You can't be that superficial. in Korean War, China was still good ally with Soviet, so China could send troops to Korean peninsula without worrying anything, but after Korean War, things changed 180 degree: China was on its own without Soviet's help because the relationship between China and Soviet became terribly bad. China wasn't too stupid to send troops to somewhere else to weaken itself. If China had had a full-scale war with U.S in VN, China would collapse
@KatiushaVN4 Absurd. Both China and Soviet Union had a consensus to support Vietnam in its endeavor against the united states. If us invades and occupy North Vietnam, and China invades North Vietnam to expel the united states, and the Soviet Union attacks China. That would only weaken North Vietnam's ability to remain independent thus helping the united states. China and the Soviet Union did have a border war. Each side lost a 100 men. Thats nothing compared to the Vietnam war or the Korean war
Like I said before, U.S Army was losing in South Vietnam (its own field), how in the world U.S Army could carry out another campaign to attack North Vietnam??????? You tell me!
@KatiushaVN4 us army never lost a major battle in South Vietnam. The only thing they lost was patience. They werent allowed to crush North Vietnam because it meant a direct war with China.
@KatiushaVN4 Tet offensive "The initial attacks stunned the US and South Vietnamese armies and took them by surprise, but most were quickly contained and beaten back, inflicting massive casualties on communist forces".
@KatiushaVN4 Oh, it was. While it was a military defeat for the North Vietnamese, it was a psychological defeat for americans. Saigon is considered a green zone. North Vietnamese should have never been able to get that far. Even when repelled. It hit americans hard. Forcing them to realize that the North Vietnamese will continue to strike over and over again.
In fact, logically thinking, U.S.A lost most the battle (of course U.S won some like Tet Offensive as you said). Logically thinking, if U.S.A won the battles, then they kept station in South Vietnam and smile at North Vietnam
@KatiushaVN4 No. Because its annoying. A boxer can keep winning every round while his opponent keeps demanding a rematch. Eventually, hes going to get tired and quit.
Well, history proofs, North Vietnam seized Quang Tri, Hue, High land step by step meanwhile U.S.A.F tried to bomb like an crazy guy without thinking...Strategy, U.S.A lost right at the beginning. You can't call it "rematch" because the match still has not yet ended. But you can call it "Round 1,2,3 etc in ONE single match
You're speaking as if you're American, but your channel looks totally Chinese person. An American can't have such channel. Since you're a Chinese, I find it funny
If you play chess, you'll see. I eat your hourse, you eat my cannon. I eat your elephant, you eat my soldier, I eat your defender. But the one who won the game is the final winner
@KatiushaVN4 This was guerrilla warfare. Not chess. In Chess. You take spaces on the map. Victory is determined by who still holds what at the end of the day. Vietnamese had trouble holding anything they tried to take. But when the us finally withdrew, then they took all of South Vietnam, effectively winning the war.
Guerilla warfare only carried out by NLF, not NVA. Of course in real war, people can use anything to gain their victory. Mind play too. You are obviously out of argument
@KatiushaVN4 Battles are fought conventionally. When the north Vietnamese took Hue City. You might call that an initial victory. But they werent able to hold it. They were ultimately repelled and forced to withdraw the city. Thus the battle for the city is considered a loss.
@KatiushaVN4 But they ended up keeping it. When they did eventually withdraw from the city, it wasnt due to another battle. But just due to the strain of the entire war.
Okay, you're a Chinese descendant. All you trying to say is to emphasize the status of China over Vietnam that only China is able to win against the U.S.A. Vietnam can't win. Is that what you mean?? Hihihi
@KatiushaVN4 You can continue supporting the position that Vietnam could have defeated the us even without a Chinese guarantee. And its a fair argument to make. I am not going to keep wasting time arguing this with another Asian. hehe.
@KatiushaVN4 Russia also helped Vietnam from evil capitalistic americans! Stay strong from Russia, China are nationalistic, not socialistic! CHina has changed just like Russia.
If U.S.A successfully had fought North Vietnam, there was no 1973 agreement. North Vietnam would became puppet of China and South Vietnam still U.S.A's puppet. Still U.S.A never withdraw its troops out of Indochina
@KatiushaVN4 The agreement was that the us withdraws from South Vietnam. North Vietnam would potentially become a Chinese puppet. But China didnt station troops in North Vietnam. So North Vietnam would still have a lot of freedom to determine its own policies.
In that case, North Vietnam would became the second "North Korea". You see, after Korean War, China withdrew (no more station), but still North Korea has been depending on China until now.
@KatiushaVN4 North Korea is its own show. They do depend on China for food, supplies, and military goods. I dont know why they are so dependent. I assume they depend on Chinese butter because they are so busy making North Korean nukes.
@Lordofthenipplerings They depend on Chinese exported goods which is paid through generosity. Perhaps because the economy is so geared towards domestic military spending.
Communist countries don't have to station troops to order to "control" one country like you Americans usually do. (South Vietnam, South Korea, Thailand, Philippines, etc) The Communists do it in their own way. No military stations needed
@KatiushaVN4 The control is more subtle. You have to give away perks or refuse to give perks etc. CIA is known to assassinate presidents in foreign countries where the american military has influence.
See, China is still a big influence on North Korea. Without China, North Korea can't have big mouth like it does right now. If the N. Just like Cambodia and Laos right now, Vietnam withdrew their troops in 1989, but still Cambodia and Laos submit to Vietnam
Video: horrible. Please use less of those fancy effects, they are annoying. Text and pictures are too quick. And 0:44 or 1:20 - seriously? reading that makes my eyes bleed. Changing the picture while hard-cutting the background (no fade) makes you read the text again.
Thank you for the video, but next time, try to make it more bearable to watch.
1:39 is btw. mostly Hangul, not Hanja, so is 1:47. 1:53 is not supported by your character set.
Don't forget U.S.A couldn't even protect its ally South Vietnam let alone to attack North Vietnam. Don't you think it's a little weird to attack something you can't win against?
Its the worst predicament for that country. Always in the state of war. If it wasnt for China, Vietnam would still be occupied and the united states would have won the Vietnam War. A terrible consequence for history.
@KatiushaVN4 Vietnam needed the Chinese because China was a consequence of the Korean War. When the united states invaded and occupied north Korea, it resulted in a full scale Chinese invasion to drive the united states out of North Korea. Lyndon Johnson learned from Truman's mistake and set a policy to never invade North Vietnam. The goal was to repel any North Vietnamese advance into South Vietnam. This prevented a Chinese invasion.
You're very innocent. In fact, in the late 1960s, the relationship between China and U.S.A changed completely, not like in Korean War anymore. In the late 60s, both U.S.A and China saw Soviet as their number 1 enemy and ended up Nixon visiting Beijing in 1972. LOL What a kid!
@KatiushaVN4 They didnt begin to capitalize on the SinoSoviet split until the secret kissinger visits. And that still has nothing to do with a potential Chinese invasion. Chinese have historically invaded countries who fought wars in Korea and Vietnam. It has little to do with their relationship with the Soviet Union. From the Imjin War, Sino Japanese war Sino French war. Even with the absence of Communist Camaraderie. It is China's immediate interest to defend Vietnam from foreign occupation.
@Lordofthenipplerings Shanghai Communique1972: "The Chinese side stated that it firmly supports the struggles of all the oppressed people and nations for freedom and liberation and that the people of all countries... and oppose foreign aggression, interference, control and subversion. All foreign troops should be withdrawn to their own countries. The Chinese side expressed its firm support to the peoples of Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia..." Even after negotiations with the us, China was still firm
@KatiushaVN4 Its a hypothetical, but its a fair one. If China wasnt willing to invade North Vietnam in response to american occupation. There is the possibility that the us could have occupied all of Vietnam and claimed victory. Of course, there also exists the possibility that Vietnamese insurgents could have continued to keep the war going indefinitely still resulting in an eventual win. But with China as a factor, North Vietnam doesnt get invaded at all.
Hihihi... I reckon only Chinese people believe in such an unrealistic theory, just like how the Chinese always see China as the centre of the universe...
@KatiushaVN4 Not really. Its a very fair theory. At the very least. It prevented the us from being able to just invade and occupy North Vietnam outright. You can still claim that Vietnam could have still won after american occupation. And some people might discuss that. But with China as a factor, we dont even need to go down that path.
You have to look at the fact is...at that time, U.S Army and Allies could protect South Vietnam. How in the world could they attack North Vietnam??? Just a common sense. V.C force alone already made U.S.A and South Vietnam leaders headache, not to mention about the N.V.A on their way southward. N.V.A was just non-stopable
"The United States was not looking for a fight in the Korean War, but that war became a model for Vietnam, in that we tried to keep South Vietnam on our side, and leave North Vietnam Communist. We did not invade the North because China had felt threatened when we pushed the North Koreans back to the Yalu river. It was a try at a limited war".
U.S.A at first planned to take over Vietnam and the rest of Indochina from France, so it let the French troops get whipped by the N.V.A in 1954. At first, U.S.A thought that to win against North Vietnam was just a piece of cake, but the American were wrong. That's why the American changed their plan and shook hand with China afterward.
China's plan was to take control of North Vietnam to expand its influence to the south
@KatiushaVN4 The us never even tried to invade and occupy North Vietnam. That was never their expressed intent. A lesson learned from the Korean War. China had no intent to station troops in North Vietnam. Just like China withdrew all of its troops from North Korea following the Korean War.
Then when U.S.A shook hand with China, and China cut supplies to North Vietnam, why didn't U.S.A attack North Vietnam because China wasn't U.S.A's concern anymore?
@KatiushaVN4 Shanghai Communique: "The Chinese side stated that it firmly supports the struggles of all the oppressed people and nations for freedom and liberation and that the people of all countries... and oppose foreign aggression, interference, control and subversion. All foreign troops should be withdrawn to their own countries. The Chinese side expressed its firm support to the peoples of Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia" China never stated it would stop defending North Vietnam.
Oh come on! Don't be so naive. China at that time also had their own issue to do which was Soviet. Even if U.S had attacked North Vietnam, China would haven't sent their troops to North Vietnam. They
simply couldn't fight Soviet in northern China and U.S Army in southern China.
U.S.A probably alleges so in order to avoid their shame of the defeat in Vietnam battlefield
@KatiushaVN4 Why would the Soviets invade China for defending Vietnam? Thats just ridiculous. The two have border clashes before, but they never had an all out war. In 1972, you have the Shanghai Communique. "The US side stated:..United States envisages the ultimate withdrawal of all US forces from the region consistent with the aim of self-determination for each country of Indochina".
@Lordofthenipplerings In the following year. The us and North Vietnam sign peace accords. "The Paris Peace Accords of 1973, intended to establish peace in Vietnam and an end to the Vietnam War, ended direct U.S. military involvement "
In 1965, in Washington D.C, Mao ze-Dong says to L. Johnson that:
"China army will never cross the border to Vietnam to fight with U.S Army. China will fight if only U.S.A attack China. Obviously, we Chinese are too busy dealing with our internal affairs and problems. Fighting outside China in this situation is like committing sins to China and Chinese people. Why should we do that? Besides, the Vietnamese can deal with their own issues."
@KatiushaVN4 I dont think so. In 1972, right before the us agreed to withdraw from Vietnam. China stated in the Shanghai Communique. " All foreign troops should be withdrawn to their own countries. The Chinese side expressed its firm support to the peoples of Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia in their efforts for the attainment of their goal"
@Lordofthenipplerings "invasion of North Vietnam which was forbidden by leaders in Washington). Lind counters [using documents that have surfaced since the war] that China had secretly assured North Vietnam that they would help repel any invasion of the North [as they had done for North Korea]" .
You basically don't really understand the "Shanghai Communique" in 1972 was all about the issue between China and Taiwan. That was the main reason, not Vietnam War.
@KatiushaVN4 The goal was to get the Vietnamese to sign a peace treaty with the united states so the us could withdraw from Vietnam. In exchange, China was officially recognized by the united states. That was the arrangement 1972. The us knew China was integral to that process. 1973 was the end of the Vietnam war, when the us officially withdrew.
China is the lesser of two evils. Since most Vietnamese are East Asian themselves. Thus using an East Asian language system is much more culturally acceptable than the other. Siding with earthlings is better than siding with Martians.
No version of Latin alphabet should be stupid because they are merely different from each other. I cannot change history but you don't have to judge on the alphabet. Our language did not extinct. Our culture is still preserve. And more significantly, Vietnamese culture has gained more recognition. Why do you have to care about the writing system that much ?
@Theclowcard Our culture is not fully preserve. As many literature, philosophy, arts, culture and tradition are still lost due to the war torn... That is why the Vietnamese government is working with foreigners to try to preserve this national treasure. Latin-Portuguese is still useful to pronouce correctly those ancient writing, so that the only reason why I don't think it should be vanished.
@scsikidd: Again, you should call the current writing system in VIETNAM "Vietnamese alphabet" because it is entirely different from Latin- Portuguese. We have own own set of rules for Latin alphabet. Stop saying "Latin-Portuguese". And I will stop from now.
@Theclowcard Now way, it's called the Latin-Portuguese. I didn't invent it, it was there before the Vietnamese adapted into its writing. I cannot allow myself to twist and lie of something that is belong to the Portuguese archive.
I don't care whetther you are a Viet Nationalist or not, but the old language (Han Tu and Chu Nom) must be preserved and learned by the next generation. Currently, nearly all Vietnamese can't even read their ancestor writings, this is a pity. Many historical philosophy, medicine, literature and culture are lost due to the incompetence. If one found an old book, he/she might consider it to be Chinese and not realize it was from his/her ancestors. Support: 1) nomfoundation. org 2) han-viet. com
@scsikidd: Vietnamese language is still preserved but it is just not written in Sino-Vietnamese (Chu Nom) anymore. Han Tu was actually pure Cantonese Chinese but our ancestors had replaced them with Sino-Vietnamese characters. By the way, what happened in the past is the past. Just because we are now learning Vietnamese alphabet, it does not mean that we forget our history. According to all lingusts, language change is unevitable and Vietnamese language is not an exception.
@Theclowcard I think you missed out a lot of thing. First of all, our Han-Viet language is still use in today speaking language up to 65-70%, and it's considered as classsic to middle Chinese not Cantonese. The writing system that we have today's is the equivalent to the PinYin (Phieu Am) of the mandarin Chinese. The Nom writing is composed of usually two Han writings(usually one charater with the meaning and the other near the pronouncing sound).
@Theclowcard Currently, the Nom language is falling short to near extinction that is why there are people want to preserve it. Further, the Vietnamese culture and history will be lost due to inability to understand those writings from the past. Our current writing system was brought by the French missionaries to try in spreading Catholistism, and make us lost our root like those in the Philippines.
@Theclowcard The reason why we have this current writing system was by the use of force (not by choice) during the French colonization, due to the fact that the French tried to erase our system/culture/philosophy/literature and made a new one for them to conquer us. The Han-Nom writing was prohibited as the French progressingly occupied our country. Outlaw of the Han-Nom writing and many cultures/traditions is real, you can look it up or ask someone living during that time.
@scsikidd: Of course I learnt about Vietnamese history during the French colonization. However, what happened in the past is the past. This is not the same with the British Empire attempt to prohibit the Irish people from speaking and writing Irish Gaelige. Our language, Vietnamese, is still spoken and preserved. Therefore, we do not need to learn Sino-Vietnamese anymore because everything is Vietnamese alphabet now. I assure you 99% of Vietnamese population don't want to learn Chu Nom. Peace.
@Theclowcard I doubt you know what brutality did the French did to the Vietnamese and its culture. It goes even further than your imagination. Put aside that topic, after having speaking five languages I honestly can tell you that the Latin-Portuguese alphabet is a useless tool in today's modern language. I am able to speak French, English, Spanish and little portuguese; thus, if I want to learn the alphabet I'd rather learn These language rather than the Portuguese latin.
@scsikidd: Still, Vietnamese alphabet is the official language in Vietnam and there is nothing you can do about it. You cannot tell Vietnamese people to change the writing system out of the blue. Most of us will not care whether Latin-Portuguese is useless because Vietnamese the alphabet represents Vietnamese distinctiveness and we are proud of it. And when did I say I thought of myself as a Caucasian ? You should only say thay to me when I don't speak and preserve my own language. Peace out.
@Theclowcard Only people with little understand and lost their root would think that the Latin-Portuguese alphabet is Vietnamese. Latin-Portuguese is still Latin-Portugese, not the writing language of my ancestor. Being proud of your heritage, you should know your real writing language not saying that I'm proud of using a writing language that had enslaved its people. Serve your logic right, not twisting your logic...I guess ignorant is bliss. Peace out!
@scsikidd: The reason why Han-Nom was obsolete was because it was hardly learnt & understood by Vietnamese people back then. Although our ancestors created a new writing system (Chu Nom), it was nearly impossible to spread it to every citizen. Therefore, we approved the teaching of Vietnamese alphabet because everyone could learn how to read it, something we could not do with Chu Nom. As the result, Vietnamese language survived because we embraced the alphabet ourselves. Stop being so bitter.
@Theclowcard You are wrong, it was spread out. The only thing why it lost its ground was the ban and outlaw by the French. Ask your grand parent or someone who lived in that era. During the French occupation, people who wrote Han-Nom were persecutated...Some were send to prison and some were executed. Please learn from the truth...it's not out of suddenly people change to the Latun-Portugese. Further, it is not that hard to learn. I can learn 10 charaters in a day.
@scsikidd: I left Vietnam when I was 16 years old and I have to tell you this: Chinese was not even taught in Vietnam. I learnt or spoke Chinese for my entire life because it was obsolete and Vietnamese alphabet was common throughout the country. Why ? We do not depend on China anymore and we have our own language. As a Vietnamese person, I respect my ancestor's history but the matter of fact is more significant. You should also know that Vietnamese alphabet was once banned by Han-Nom writers.
Giving, that I have little to no backgroud in the Chinese language, I left Vietnam when I was 5 year old, I'm still able to learn without any difficulty, and still continue to learn.
japanese chinese korean always alike
aftereffects00 1 month ago
Batak Writing,,,that's my etnicity
bestorigultom 1 month ago
「骨」の中の四角は日中韓台で異なっていたのか・・
yukinkocat 1 month ago
I'm a Chinese. One time I was with a German professor. we went to a bank in China and I signed on a paper. The German professor said it is amazing you can write those hieroglyphic characters so quickly! That's just my name.
lonewar 2 months ago
Linguistically, I think Japanese is the best way to do writing. It. It contains Kanji for main phrase and words, and kana for connectors and inflections. Chinese Kanji is best for conveying meanings.
MrFukaLama 2 months ago
Does anyone know what the first song is by any chance?
FionaAlanna 3 months ago
i'm from outside east asia. Certified history school books outside East Asia do say that yellow river or huang he of today china or Shang Dynasty created the first wriing in east asia, is 1 of the 4 world major civilzations like Nile River(egypt & Greek), Indus valley (Pakistan&India), Mesopotamia (Iraq). This world basic knowledge. English newspapers say "Han Chinese", never used "chinese" with other races in china. Korean,jap or vietnam language use hanzi of han ppl of china. let ask world
tukkatathai 4 months ago
i'm from outside east asia. Certified history school books studied outside East Asia do say that yellow river or huang he of today china or Shang Dynasty created the first wriing in east asia, is one of the 4 world major civilzations like Nile River(egypt & Greek), Indus valley (Pakistan&India), Mesopotamia (Iraq). This world basic knowledge. English newspapers say "Han Chinese" , never used "chinese" with other races in china. Korean language use hanzi language of china. So Ask the World
tukkatathai 4 months ago
i'm from outside east asia. Certified history school books studied outside East Asia do say that yellow river or huang he of today china or Shang Dynasty created the first wriing in east asia, is one of the 4 world major civilzations like Nile River(egypt & Greek), Indus valley (Pakistan&India), Mesopotamia (Iraq). This world basic knowledge. English newspapers say "Han Chinese" , never used "chinese" with other races in china. Korean, jap or vietnam language use hanzi language of china.
tukkatathai 4 months ago
i'm from outside east asia. The certified history school books studied outside East Asia do say that yellow river or huang he of today china or Shang Dynasty created the first wriing in east asia, and is one of the 4 world major civilzations like Nile River(egypt & Greek), Indus valley (Pakistan &India), Mesopotamia (Iraq). This is world basic knowledge. English newspapers say "Han Chinese" when talking about all races in China, never used "chinese" with other races in china.
tukkatathai 4 months ago
Too bad, Korean is like the unique writing system in East Asia and fucken looks damn good too when writing in calligraphy. ^^
ghoststrider45 5 months ago
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@ghoststrider45 i'm from outside east asia. Certified history school books studied outside East Asia do say that yellow river or huang he of today china or Shang Dynasty created the first wriing in east asia, is one of the 4 world major civilzations like Nile River(egypt & Greek), Indus valley (Pakistan&India), Mesopotamia (Iraq). This world basic knowledge. English newspapers say "Han Chinese" , never used "chinese" with other races in china. Korean language use hanzi language of china.
tukkatathai 4 months ago
@ghoststrider45
It is a strange language invented in the 13th Century.
SeventhSun 2 months ago
hey people, the Nom script is not Viet's language. We have Khoa Dau script under Hung dynasty. When the Han chinese invaded Vietnam, they had burnt our tradditional books & cuture. That's why we lost the ancient script and had to adopt Chinese characters.
yueluo2000 6 months ago 2
it's not a glory to have a great empire, but rather a shameful thing, building a great empire always means bloody conquering, brutal killing, robbing, -- all empires, british, chinese, egyptian, napoleon, all did the savage dirty jobs to build their "civilization"---what's it to be proud of??? but of coz japan is more retarded coz it did the dirtiest job but didnt get anything but 2 atom bombs --$,$ poor fucker
qasuab 6 months ago
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Hanja, Kanji is the same thing as Hanzi. The characters are near identical, just pronounced differently. Its a system that spread during the Han and Tang dynasties. Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are essentially Yayoi people.
Lordofthenipplerings 6 months ago
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Lordofthenipplerings 6 months ago
And crap can u dun play e Chinese song when it reaches e Japan part cos it really dirties Japan's good name
YummYakitori 7 months ago
@YummYakitori then please don't use kanji paper,and chopsticks,don't drink tea and play 圍棋 because they are all originated from Chinese Culture
sureitan 4 months ago
@sureitan YummYakitori is singaporean. if he is malays then used hand to wash his ass and used hand to eat his rice too..
aftereffects00 1 month ago
@aftereffects00 He sounds so ignorant and arrogant. Typical BANANA
sureitan 1 month ago
To me, Hanja and Kanji the best :)
YummYakitori 7 months ago
Sorry, I know I'm quite extra, but to me both china and Vietnam suck cos they are communists.
YummYakitori 7 months ago
@YummYakitori I don't see how political ideology in the form of a communistic ruling party is related to the culture of people.... From what I know insulting Chinese culture is like insulting PRC China, yes that's your objective, but at the same time you are insulting ROC Taiwan, HongKong - countries officially part of it, as well as most other countries in the Sinosphere, such as Japan, Korea and Vietnam-to some extent Mongolia and all of the disporas across the world ect.
Learn history first!
stiffeg 3 months ago
@YummYakitori are you singaporean..malay?indian? if you are singaporean chinese then shame of u cuz you are yellow skin too.. so are you insult you own skin color ?you insult your mother dad,you whole family too.. i know a lot ppl like you who like to insult their own race.. "bodoh!" this word is from me to you.i know you proud to be singaporen but you still chinese.
aftereffects00 1 month ago
Viet people, you should be stronger! Someday Chinese government will eat all of Viet sea soon....
SNSDTVgeneration 8 months ago
@SNSDTVgeneration
China won't be able to beat Vietnam
KatiushaVN4 7 months ago
PLEASE HELP: i need a translation of "strength" in old viet calligraphy. i know its "sức mạnh" (or at least i think) but i need the symbol if anyone can get me a link to where i cud find this it wud be GREAT. thanks(:
watermelonjelly 8 months ago
@watermelonjelly 力猛。 I couldnt give you the site because youtube wont let me, so those are the characters.
Generalvaldez 7 months ago
I think most young (south) koreans cannot understand chinese letters anymore....... They stopped using them after the WWII.
Silverstein1883 9 months ago
@Silverstein1883 no we know Chinese letters. because we study on school and have tests. not as much as my father, grandfather's generation but still some young people are really good at Chinese characters.
Eerae 9 months ago
@Silverstein1883 no after 1990s. But still Chinese Caligraphy is a official Subject in Academical Studies untill University.
rlatndnsxo 8 months ago
The full image of the Vietnam story:
1. U.S.A military losing (Johnson's era)
2. U.S.A wanted to withdraw with a fake Shanghai's condition to make others think U.S Army left because if China, so they could leave without losing face.
3. In return, U.S.A recognized China
4. In return, U.S.A let China attack South Vietnam's island (Paracel)
That's was a whole comedy show of China and U.S.A to the world
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
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Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
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@KatiushaVN4 What battle did the united states ever lose to the Vietnamese? Even when Tet tried to take Saigon it was ultimately repelled. In response, the us was never allowed to invade and occupy Hanoi. It was crucial that China put pressure on North Vietnam to get them to the peace table. Because they alone held the chips to North Vietnam's survival.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
I dont know why you keep thinking there was any reason why the us couldnt have just bombed the crap out of North Vietnam and then roll tanks into Hanoi. The Vietnamese never won a major battle in the entire war. Their relentless pursuit to keep fighting with loss after loss for than 10 yrs and the fact that their base of operations were never allowed to be occupied due to a Chinese guarantee is a substantial reason why North Vietnam won the war. If not the only reason.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Well, but that's what Mao said. I just repeat of whatever he said in quotes.
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 I dont even know where those quotes come from. But we have official quotes as stated in the Shanghai Communique.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
The quotes of Mao I use is from a document I just read titled "Mao zedong: the Good and the Bad"
Again, at Shanghai Communique, what China said was to point to Taiwan's issue, not Vietnam. Don't even try to mislead other people. Thanks
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 I have never heard of that document. But here are some texts coming from official documents stated by both China and the us. Shanghai communique 1972: China states: "All foreign troops should be withdrawn to their own countries. The Chinese side expressed its firm support to the peoples of Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia"
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings us states: "United States on January 27, 1972 represents a basis for the attainment of that objective; in the absence of a negotiated settlement the United States envisages the ultimate withdrawal of all US forces from the region consistent with the aim of self-determination for each country of Indochina".
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
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KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Just read the document Shanghai Communique. Its all in there. Copy paste the statements and do a text search.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
I also just read through that Shanghai Communique, and I find you American either too naive or did it in purpose. Everyone in the world knows that at that time, the Indochina (Vietnam Lao Cambodia) all under control of North Vietnam (except South Vietnam). China had no right to tell Vietnam what to do. If the American didn't withdraw its troops, China couldn't do anything because N. Vietnam never allowed China to step in. That condition in Shanghai Comminique is funny
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 But thats exactly what happened "North Vietnam insisted for three years that the agreement could not be concluded unless the U.S. agreed to remove South Vietnamese President Nguyen Van Thieu from power and replace him with someone more acceptable to Hanoi. Nixon and Kissinger were unwilling to overthrow through an agreement a government the NLF had failed to overthrow by force of arms".
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings "The major breakthrough came on 8 October 1972. North Vietnam had been disappointed by the results of its Nguyen Hue Offensive (known in the West as the Easter Offensive), and feared increased isolation if Nixon's efforts at détente significantly improved U.S relations with the chief communist powers, the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China, who were backing North Vietnamese military effort".
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
I can understand you try to avoid the truth in order to gain your honour back. In fact, Washington and Beijing shook hand (under table) in the late 1960s. Mao turn green light for the American bombing North Vietnam. Just get the fact straight. No way that you can attack North Vietnam meanwhile you are losing right in your home field (South Vietnam). It doesn't make any sense
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 They were still not allowed to invade and occupy North Vietnam. When North Vietnamese airstrips were bombed, those planes that took off and flew to China for safety.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
We had some air bases in North Vietnam nearby Hanoi and other provinces and one in China as most of the heavy supplies to Vietnam (from Russia) still kept in China at that time. But all the air bases in Vietnam were all destroyed by U.S.A.F, so we had to use the one airbase in China. Still it doesn't mean China would send their troops to North Vietnam.
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Of course they would. They sent troops to North Korea when the us moved to the Yalu river. China is not going to let its buffer in Southeast Asia get overtaken.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Do you think China can even get into another full scale war with U.S after Korean War because of Vietnam? LOL What a naive person! First China was super poor at that time exhausted after Korean War PLUS Vietnam's supplies assistance (food clothes weapons etc to North Vietnam). China wasn't as rich as U.S.A back then that could spend 500,000 a day in war.
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 China fought a war with the us between 1950 and 1952. This was shortly after WW2 and the Chinese civil war which ended in 1949. The us begins to fully intervene in the Vietnam war after 1964. If they were willing to fight a war with the us immediately after the Chinese civil war. They can certainly fight a war against the us 15 years after.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
The purpose of Nixon when he became the president was to withdraw all U.S troops in Vietnam to carry out his "Vietnamization" campaign. His plan was to let South Vietnam confront North Vietnam. At the same time, U.S troops could "leave in honour". So that's why in 1972 China and U.S.A had that "particular condition" in Shanghai Communique. That mislead the world that U.S.A left because of China, not North Vietnam. But in fact, everyone could see U.S military lost already
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 No, because Vietnam wouldnt come to the negotiation table without Chinese insistence. Kissinger gave China official recognition in exchange that China can get the Vietnamese to the negotiation table. China was not willing to lose North Vietnam as a buffer. But it wasnt against the idea of having the North Vietnamese sign a peace treaty with the us allowing for us withdrawal.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings And, yet, his visit to China was a success with respect to Viet Nam. China did end up putting pressure on the North. The peace treaty was signed. And, in this respect, President Nixon won this point, a pyrrhic victory.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Nope, after Geneve 1954, North Vietnam's leaders never wanted China to sit down along side with them in any treaty. In fact, North Vietnam hated it when China and U.S.A became closer after Mao's visit U.S.A. They called it betrayal
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Yes, it was betrayal. But it was China that got Vietnam to sign a peace treaty finally. Even american historians admit that.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
What you said: "No, because Vietnam wouldnt come to the negotiation table without Chinese insistence." is a a clear lie
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 "The Soviet Union and China put pressure on North Vietnam to end the war. Both major Communist powers had apparently come to regard Vietnam as a sideshow which must not be allowed to jeopardize the major realignment of power then taking place in the world". 1972 Shanghai Communique, 1973, Paris Peace Accords. After years of refusal by the North Vietnamese to ever come to the peace table.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
You can't be that superficial. in Korean War, China was still good ally with Soviet, so China could send troops to Korean peninsula without worrying anything, but after Korean War, things changed 180 degree: China was on its own without Soviet's help because the relationship between China and Soviet became terribly bad. China wasn't too stupid to send troops to somewhere else to weaken itself. If China had had a full-scale war with U.S in VN, China would collapse
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Absurd. Both China and Soviet Union had a consensus to support Vietnam in its endeavor against the united states. If us invades and occupy North Vietnam, and China invades North Vietnam to expel the united states, and the Soviet Union attacks China. That would only weaken North Vietnam's ability to remain independent thus helping the united states. China and the Soviet Union did have a border war. Each side lost a 100 men. Thats nothing compared to the Vietnam war or the Korean war
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Like I said before, U.S Army was losing in South Vietnam (its own field), how in the world U.S Army could carry out another campaign to attack North Vietnam??????? You tell me!
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 us army never lost a major battle in South Vietnam. The only thing they lost was patience. They werent allowed to crush North Vietnam because it meant a direct war with China.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
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KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Tet offensive "The initial attacks stunned the US and South Vietnamese armies and took them by surprise, but most were quickly contained and beaten back, inflicting massive casualties on communist forces".
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
I admit Tet Offensive, U.S and South VN were successfully, but that wasn't enough to change the situation of the game
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Oh, it was. While it was a military defeat for the North Vietnamese, it was a psychological defeat for americans. Saigon is considered a green zone. North Vietnamese should have never been able to get that far. Even when repelled. It hit americans hard. Forcing them to realize that the North Vietnamese will continue to strike over and over again.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Still can't unless if North Vietnam had surrendered. Still North Vietnam won the entire game.
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Thats the allegory. An american tells a Vietnamese "we never lost a battle" And the Vietnamese responds "but we won the war"
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
In fact, logically thinking, U.S.A lost most the battle (of course U.S won some like Tet Offensive as you said). Logically thinking, if U.S.A won the battles, then they kept station in South Vietnam and smile at North Vietnam
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 No. Because its annoying. A boxer can keep winning every round while his opponent keeps demanding a rematch. Eventually, hes going to get tired and quit.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Well, history proofs, North Vietnam seized Quang Tri, Hue, High land step by step meanwhile U.S.A.F tried to bomb like an crazy guy without thinking...Strategy, U.S.A lost right at the beginning. You can't call it "rematch" because the match still has not yet ended. But you can call it "Round 1,2,3 etc in ONE single match
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4
Battle of Quảng Trị was only fought between North and South Vietnamese. "Belligerents
North Vietnam South Vietnam."
Battle of Huế Result "Tactical South Vietnamese and US victory[1]"
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Then why North Vietnam captured Hue?
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 I guess you could call that an initial victory. But they were eventually repelled and thus forced to withdraw the city.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
You're speaking as if you're American, but your channel looks totally Chinese person. An American can't have such channel. Since you're a Chinese, I find it funny
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Are you from Vietnam?
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Yes, sir. I'm from Vietnam as my channel states it all clear.
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Are you are very pro Asian? Because I mostly am as well.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
sophism
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
If you play chess, you'll see. I eat your hourse, you eat my cannon. I eat your elephant, you eat my soldier, I eat your defender. But the one who won the game is the final winner
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 This was guerrilla warfare. Not chess. In Chess. You take spaces on the map. Victory is determined by who still holds what at the end of the day. Vietnamese had trouble holding anything they tried to take. But when the us finally withdrew, then they took all of South Vietnam, effectively winning the war.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Guerilla warfare only carried out by NLF, not NVA. Of course in real war, people can use anything to gain their victory. Mind play too. You are obviously out of argument
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Battles are fought conventionally. When the north Vietnamese took Hue City. You might call that an initial victory. But they werent able to hold it. They were ultimately repelled and forced to withdraw the city. Thus the battle for the city is considered a loss.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
U.S Army keep REMATCHING in Hue city?? Good for them....LOL
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 But they ended up keeping it. When they did eventually withdraw from the city, it wasnt due to another battle. But just due to the strain of the entire war.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
Okay, you're a Chinese descendant. All you trying to say is to emphasize the status of China over Vietnam that only China is able to win against the U.S.A. Vietnam can't win. Is that what you mean?? Hihihi
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 You can continue supporting the position that Vietnam could have defeated the us even without a Chinese guarantee. And its a fair argument to make. I am not going to keep wasting time arguing this with another Asian. hehe.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
I admit China's "help" during Vietnam War like: China "gave" Vietnam light weapons, foods, clothes, bullets
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago 2
@KatiushaVN4 Its irrelevant. So long as we have a consensus on everything else.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Russia also helped Vietnam from evil capitalistic americans! Stay strong from Russia, China are nationalistic, not socialistic! CHina has changed just like Russia.
Imhornydadcomeinside 7 months ago in playlist History of all nations
pro Asia? Well, between an Asian person and a White person (with the same level of personality), I like an Asian better with no doubt. So what??
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 I agree with you 100 percent.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
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@Lordofthenipplerings
If U.S won major battles, then why U.S lost South Vietnam leading them to sign 1973 agreement???
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
If U.S.A successfully had fought North Vietnam, there was no 1973 agreement. North Vietnam would became puppet of China and South Vietnam still U.S.A's puppet. Still U.S.A never withdraw its troops out of Indochina
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 The agreement was that the us withdraws from South Vietnam. North Vietnam would potentially become a Chinese puppet. But China didnt station troops in North Vietnam. So North Vietnam would still have a lot of freedom to determine its own policies.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
In that case, North Vietnam would became the second "North Korea". You see, after Korean War, China withdrew (no more station), but still North Korea has been depending on China until now.
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 North Korea is its own show. They do depend on China for food, supplies, and military goods. I dont know why they are so dependent. I assume they depend on Chinese butter because they are so busy making North Korean nukes.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings They depend on Chinese exported goods which is paid through generosity. Perhaps because the economy is so geared towards domestic military spending.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
China wanted North Vietnam to be exactly like North Korea. China tried to make Vietnam its "neo-slave" like North Korea
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Maybe maybe not. But without troops stationed in North Korea or North Vietnam, its hard to twist arms and break necks.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings Ngo Dinh Diem was assassinated by President kennedy.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Communist countries don't have to station troops to order to "control" one country like you Americans usually do. (South Vietnam, South Korea, Thailand, Philippines, etc) The Communists do it in their own way. No military stations needed
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 The control is more subtle. You have to give away perks or refuse to give perks etc. CIA is known to assassinate presidents in foreign countries where the american military has influence.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
See, China is still a big influence on North Korea. Without China, North Korea can't have big mouth like it does right now. If the N. Just like Cambodia and Laos right now, Vietnam withdrew their troops in 1989, but still Cambodia and Laos submit to Vietnam
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
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Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
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Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@VietyXCent
Information: good, thanks for that
Video: horrible. Please use less of those fancy effects, they are annoying. Text and pictures are too quick. And 0:44 or 1:20 - seriously? reading that makes my eyes bleed. Changing the picture while hard-cutting the background (no fade) makes you read the text again.
Thank you for the video, but next time, try to make it more bearable to watch.
1:39 is btw. mostly Hangul, not Hanja, so is 1:47. 1:53 is not supported by your character set.
Workovt 9 months ago
Don't forget U.S.A couldn't even protect its ally South Vietnam let alone to attack North Vietnam. Don't you think it's a little weird to attack something you can't win against?
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 If thats what you want to think. I am not going to stop you. Let me change the subject. Is that you in the picture?
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
Its the worst predicament for that country. Always in the state of war. If it wasnt for China, Vietnam would still be occupied and the united states would have won the Vietnam War. A terrible consequence for history.
Lordofthenipplerings 10 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Soviet helped Vietnam the most with all heavy supplies. If not China, Vietnam still won. China didn't help a lot. Get the fact straight
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Vietnam needed the Chinese because China was a consequence of the Korean War. When the united states invaded and occupied north Korea, it resulted in a full scale Chinese invasion to drive the united states out of North Korea. Lyndon Johnson learned from Truman's mistake and set a policy to never invade North Vietnam. The goal was to repel any North Vietnamese advance into South Vietnam. This prevented a Chinese invasion.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
You're very innocent. In fact, in the late 1960s, the relationship between China and U.S.A changed completely, not like in Korean War anymore. In the late 60s, both U.S.A and China saw Soviet as their number 1 enemy and ended up Nixon visiting Beijing in 1972. LOL What a kid!
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
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Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 They didnt begin to capitalize on the SinoSoviet split until the secret kissinger visits. And that still has nothing to do with a potential Chinese invasion. Chinese have historically invaded countries who fought wars in Korea and Vietnam. It has little to do with their relationship with the Soviet Union. From the Imjin War, Sino Japanese war Sino French war. Even with the absence of Communist Camaraderie. It is China's immediate interest to defend Vietnam from foreign occupation.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings Shanghai Communique1972: "The Chinese side stated that it firmly supports the struggles of all the oppressed people and nations for freedom and liberation and that the people of all countries... and oppose foreign aggression, interference, control and subversion. All foreign troops should be withdrawn to their own countries. The Chinese side expressed its firm support to the peoples of Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia..." Even after negotiations with the us, China was still firm
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
There was no such thing as "Because of China, U.S.A failed in Vietnam War". I find it ridiculous!
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
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Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Its a hypothetical, but its a fair one. If China wasnt willing to invade North Vietnam in response to american occupation. There is the possibility that the us could have occupied all of Vietnam and claimed victory. Of course, there also exists the possibility that Vietnamese insurgents could have continued to keep the war going indefinitely still resulting in an eventual win. But with China as a factor, North Vietnam doesnt get invaded at all.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Hihihi... I reckon only Chinese people believe in such an unrealistic theory, just like how the Chinese always see China as the centre of the universe...
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Not really. Its a very fair theory. At the very least. It prevented the us from being able to just invade and occupy North Vietnam outright. You can still claim that Vietnam could have still won after american occupation. And some people might discuss that. But with China as a factor, we dont even need to go down that path.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
You have to look at the fact is...at that time, U.S Army and Allies could protect South Vietnam. How in the world could they attack North Vietnam??? Just a common sense. V.C force alone already made U.S.A and South Vietnam leaders headache, not to mention about the N.V.A on their way southward. N.V.A was just non-stopable
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4
"The United States was not looking for a fight in the Korean War, but that war became a model for Vietnam, in that we tried to keep South Vietnam on our side, and leave North Vietnam Communist. We did not invade the North because China had felt threatened when we pushed the North Koreans back to the Yalu river. It was a try at a limited war".
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
U.S.A at first planned to take over Vietnam and the rest of Indochina from France, so it let the French troops get whipped by the N.V.A in 1954. At first, U.S.A thought that to win against North Vietnam was just a piece of cake, but the American were wrong. That's why the American changed their plan and shook hand with China afterward.
China's plan was to take control of North Vietnam to expand its influence to the south
But North Vietnam leaders could see through all
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 The us never even tried to invade and occupy North Vietnam. That was never their expressed intent. A lesson learned from the Korean War. China had no intent to station troops in North Vietnam. Just like China withdrew all of its troops from North Korea following the Korean War.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
And after all, your point is U.S.A scared of China, so it didn't invade N. Vietnam?
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Exactly.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Then when U.S.A shook hand with China, and China cut supplies to North Vietnam, why didn't U.S.A attack North Vietnam because China wasn't U.S.A's concern anymore?
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Shanghai Communique: "The Chinese side stated that it firmly supports the struggles of all the oppressed people and nations for freedom and liberation and that the people of all countries... and oppose foreign aggression, interference, control and subversion. All foreign troops should be withdrawn to their own countries. The Chinese side expressed its firm support to the peoples of Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia" China never stated it would stop defending North Vietnam.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Oh come on! Don't be so naive. China at that time also had their own issue to do which was Soviet. Even if U.S had attacked North Vietnam, China would haven't sent their troops to North Vietnam. They
simply couldn't fight Soviet in northern China and U.S Army in southern China.
U.S.A probably alleges so in order to avoid their shame of the defeat in Vietnam battlefield
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Why would the Soviets invade China for defending Vietnam? Thats just ridiculous. The two have border clashes before, but they never had an all out war. In 1972, you have the Shanghai Communique. "The US side stated:..United States envisages the ultimate withdrawal of all US forces from the region consistent with the aim of self-determination for each country of Indochina".
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings In the following year. The us and North Vietnam sign peace accords. "The Paris Peace Accords of 1973, intended to establish peace in Vietnam and an end to the Vietnam War, ended direct U.S. military involvement "
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
Are you Chinese or American?
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 HAHAHA
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
I just ask are you Chinese or American. What so funny?
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4
He's both, Chinese-American. Impressive job there.
Kool2CU 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
In 1965, in Washington D.C, Mao ze-Dong says to L. Johnson that:
"China army will never cross the border to Vietnam to fight with U.S Army. China will fight if only U.S.A attack China. Obviously, we Chinese are too busy dealing with our internal affairs and problems. Fighting outside China in this situation is like committing sins to China and Chinese people. Why should we do that? Besides, the Vietnamese can deal with their own issues."
That's what Mao said.
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 I dont think so. In 1972, right before the us agreed to withdraw from Vietnam. China stated in the Shanghai Communique. " All foreign troops should be withdrawn to their own countries. The Chinese side expressed its firm support to the peoples of Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia in their efforts for the attainment of their goal"
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings "invasion of North Vietnam which was forbidden by leaders in Washington). Lind counters [using documents that have surfaced since the war] that China had secretly assured North Vietnam that they would help repel any invasion of the North [as they had done for North Korea]" .
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings
You basically don't really understand the "Shanghai Communique" in 1972 was all about the issue between China and Taiwan. That was the main reason, not Vietnam War.
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 The goal was to get the Vietnamese to sign a peace treaty with the united states so the us could withdraw from Vietnam. In exchange, China was officially recognized by the united states. That was the arrangement 1972. The us knew China was integral to that process. 1973 was the end of the Vietnam war, when the us officially withdrew.
Lordofthenipplerings 9 months ago
Correction: ...could barely protect South Vietnam.
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
China is the lesser of two evils. Since most Vietnamese are East Asian themselves. Thus using an East Asian language system is much more culturally acceptable than the other. Siding with earthlings is better than siding with Martians.
Lordofthenipplerings 10 months ago
No version of Latin alphabet should be stupid because they are merely different from each other. I cannot change history but you don't have to judge on the alphabet. Our language did not extinct. Our culture is still preserve. And more significantly, Vietnamese culture has gained more recognition. Why do you have to care about the writing system that much ?
Theclowcard 11 months ago
@Theclowcard Our culture is not fully preserve. As many literature, philosophy, arts, culture and tradition are still lost due to the war torn... That is why the Vietnamese government is working with foreigners to try to preserve this national treasure. Latin-Portuguese is still useful to pronouce correctly those ancient writing, so that the only reason why I don't think it should be vanished.
scsikidd 11 months ago
@scsikidd: Again, you should call the current writing system in VIETNAM "Vietnamese alphabet" because it is entirely different from Latin- Portuguese. We have own own set of rules for Latin alphabet. Stop saying "Latin-Portuguese". And I will stop from now.
Theclowcard 11 months ago
@Theclowcard Now way, it's called the Latin-Portuguese. I didn't invent it, it was there before the Vietnamese adapted into its writing. I cannot allow myself to twist and lie of something that is belong to the Portuguese archive.
scsikidd 11 months ago
I don't care whetther you are a Viet Nationalist or not, but the old language (Han Tu and Chu Nom) must be preserved and learned by the next generation. Currently, nearly all Vietnamese can't even read their ancestor writings, this is a pity. Many historical philosophy, medicine, literature and culture are lost due to the incompetence. If one found an old book, he/she might consider it to be Chinese and not realize it was from his/her ancestors. Support: 1) nomfoundation. org 2) han-viet. com
scsikidd 11 months ago
@scsikidd: Vietnamese language is still preserved but it is just not written in Sino-Vietnamese (Chu Nom) anymore. Han Tu was actually pure Cantonese Chinese but our ancestors had replaced them with Sino-Vietnamese characters. By the way, what happened in the past is the past. Just because we are now learning Vietnamese alphabet, it does not mean that we forget our history. According to all lingusts, language change is unevitable and Vietnamese language is not an exception.
Theclowcard 11 months ago
@Theclowcard I think you missed out a lot of thing. First of all, our Han-Viet language is still use in today speaking language up to 65-70%, and it's considered as classsic to middle Chinese not Cantonese. The writing system that we have today's is the equivalent to the PinYin (Phieu Am) of the mandarin Chinese. The Nom writing is composed of usually two Han writings(usually one charater with the meaning and the other near the pronouncing sound).
scsikidd 11 months ago
@Theclowcard Currently, the Nom language is falling short to near extinction that is why there are people want to preserve it. Further, the Vietnamese culture and history will be lost due to inability to understand those writings from the past. Our current writing system was brought by the French missionaries to try in spreading Catholistism, and make us lost our root like those in the Philippines.
scsikidd 11 months ago
@Theclowcard The reason why we have this current writing system was by the use of force (not by choice) during the French colonization, due to the fact that the French tried to erase our system/culture/philosophy/literature and made a new one for them to conquer us. The Han-Nom writing was prohibited as the French progressingly occupied our country. Outlaw of the Han-Nom writing and many cultures/traditions is real, you can look it up or ask someone living during that time.
scsikidd 11 months ago
@scsikidd: Of course I learnt about Vietnamese history during the French colonization. However, what happened in the past is the past. This is not the same with the British Empire attempt to prohibit the Irish people from speaking and writing Irish Gaelige. Our language, Vietnamese, is still spoken and preserved. Therefore, we do not need to learn Sino-Vietnamese anymore because everything is Vietnamese alphabet now. I assure you 99% of Vietnamese population don't want to learn Chu Nom. Peace.
Theclowcard 11 months ago
@Theclowcard I doubt you know what brutality did the French did to the Vietnamese and its culture. It goes even further than your imagination. Put aside that topic, after having speaking five languages I honestly can tell you that the Latin-Portuguese alphabet is a useless tool in today's modern language. I am able to speak French, English, Spanish and little portuguese; thus, if I want to learn the alphabet I'd rather learn These language rather than the Portuguese latin.
scsikidd 11 months ago
@scsikidd: Still, Vietnamese alphabet is the official language in Vietnam and there is nothing you can do about it. You cannot tell Vietnamese people to change the writing system out of the blue. Most of us will not care whether Latin-Portuguese is useless because Vietnamese the alphabet represents Vietnamese distinctiveness and we are proud of it. And when did I say I thought of myself as a Caucasian ? You should only say thay to me when I don't speak and preserve my own language. Peace out.
Theclowcard 11 months ago
@Theclowcard Only people with little understand and lost their root would think that the Latin-Portuguese alphabet is Vietnamese. Latin-Portuguese is still Latin-Portugese, not the writing language of my ancestor. Being proud of your heritage, you should know your real writing language not saying that I'm proud of using a writing language that had enslaved its people. Serve your logic right, not twisting your logic...I guess ignorant is bliss. Peace out!
scsikidd 11 months ago
@scsikidd: The reason why Han-Nom was obsolete was because it was hardly learnt & understood by Vietnamese people back then. Although our ancestors created a new writing system (Chu Nom), it was nearly impossible to spread it to every citizen. Therefore, we approved the teaching of Vietnamese alphabet because everyone could learn how to read it, something we could not do with Chu Nom. As the result, Vietnamese language survived because we embraced the alphabet ourselves. Stop being so bitter.
Theclowcard 11 months ago
@Theclowcard You are wrong, it was spread out. The only thing why it lost its ground was the ban and outlaw by the French. Ask your grand parent or someone who lived in that era. During the French occupation, people who wrote Han-Nom were persecutated...Some were send to prison and some were executed. Please learn from the truth...it's not out of suddenly people change to the Latun-Portugese. Further, it is not that hard to learn. I can learn 10 charaters in a day.
scsikidd 11 months ago
@scsikidd: I left Vietnam when I was 16 years old and I have to tell you this: Chinese was not even taught in Vietnam. I learnt or spoke Chinese for my entire life because it was obsolete and Vietnamese alphabet was common throughout the country. Why ? We do not depend on China anymore and we have our own language. As a Vietnamese person, I respect my ancestor's history but the matter of fact is more significant. You should also know that Vietnamese alphabet was once banned by Han-Nom writers.
Theclowcard 11 months ago
Giving, that I have little to no backgroud in the Chinese language, I left Vietnam when I was 5 year old, I'm still able to learn without any difficulty, and still continue to learn.
scsikidd 11 months ago
@Theclowcard It's not called the Vietnamese alphabet, it's called the Latin-Portugese alphabet...Get it right!
scsikidd 11 months ago
@scsikidd: No, It is called Vietnamese alphabet (or Quoc Ngu). You are the person who should get it right.
Theclowcard 11 months ago