I strongly urge you, sorens, to repent of this arrogance and wicked pride. If you are indeed a missionary/Bible prophecy teacher, I counsel you to turn from study of prophecy and learn the meaning of "they shall know you are My disciples by the love you have for one another." Remember what Paul said in 1 Co 13? "If I have all knowledge, but do not have love..." Be zealous for God and repent! Why should He destroy your works?
Chuck Missler knows nothing about this subject of the first resurrection. I am a missionary/Bible prophecy teacher, and can refute these teachings of Chuck Missler any day of the month , and any month of the year !! BESIDES, there is a rumor, that Chuck Missler is a " 30th DEGREE MASON". Is That true Chuck ???
And if so , what are you doing in the pulpit anyway ???? Please answer the QUESTION Chuck, Are you a Free Mason ????
@sorens70601 Resurrecting Lazrus from the dead, is that the 1st Resurrection? How about Jesus Christ, was He the 1st one Resurrected? Then Peter raised Dorcas from the dead. Was she the 1st. Chuck knows MORE about the Resurrection, Rapture & the Tribulation than the knowledge you have in your little toenail. YOU WILL REPENT for talking about Christians the way you do. You WILL definately go through the GT.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 ...Yes, maybe a little more than what I have in my little toenail. But he does not even measure to my ankles, as to the knowledge I possess in my Head on eschatology and Prophecy. As for your questions, I cannot waste time explaining to you, as you are a MORON, and have no way of understanding it !!((Besides, you are Not a christian, and have an anti-christ spirit)
@sorens70601 I don't know what set you off, but as someone who calls himself "brother" (1 Co. 5:9-13) I urge you to repent of this judgemental and wicked attitude. You obviously appear puffed up with pride and arrogance, and it has very little to do with eschatology. If you indeed claim to be a missionary/Bible prophecy teacher, I urge you to lay off the prophecy and learn about the love we are to have for each other by which "they shall know you are My disciples." May God grant repentance.
I strongly urge you, sorens, to repent of this arrogance and wicked pride. If you are indeed a missionary/Bible prophecy teacher, I counsel you to turn from study of prophecy and learn the meaning of "they shall know you are My disciples by the love you have for one another." Remember what Paul said in 1 Co 13? "If I have all knowledge, but do not have love..." Be zealous for God and repent! Why should He destroy your works?
@777Levin .. I only now discovered your response. You don't know what you are talking about !!! There is a spiritual "war' going on for the minds and hearts of christians., and my "contending",(as in fighting) for the faith is misconstrued by you, simply because you obviously are not "anchored" in the Thruth. Which leads me to predict that you do not read the KJV Bible, (but rather some modern fraud) you do not have an active prayer life, (as you are probably a "sensual Christian") Missler is..
...is a false teacher on eschatology. Rumors have it he is a member of the 'masonic Lodge', there is also accusations on the internet that he has 'plagiarized' some of his writings. So with such evidence against him , do you still want to tell me I am wrong for bringing this to light ?? As for his false "rapture teachings', why is he afraid to debate me ? I'll tell you why, because he knows I will discredit him, and the Darby/Irving falsehood he propagates. But even if he does not debate me...
...My New book will be out by the end of February this year, and that book will finally expose all these "Rapture Guru's" and the falsehood they promote. As concerning Mt.24, it does Not represent the Jews, as in the New Covenant there is "no more Jew nor Greek" God has made "of the Twain One". Lk. 16:16 declares that "the Law and the Prophets, were UNTIL John", That means Christ ministered in the "New Covenant" dispensation. Hence the instruction of "discipline in the Church",(as per Mt.18)...
...proves that "the Church" era, was already in effect, and as such Mt.24, speaks of the "elect" as the Church. Acts 3:22-23 picks up on Deut.18;18-19, and declares that Christ was that propmised 'prophet'. and if "any among the people, (the Jewish people) would not hear Christ, that "they would be destroyed from among the people", (the Jewish people) All New testament reference s to "the elect", refers to the church, just look up Paul, an Peters salutations and comments. You people are ignorant
Yes, there is indeed a spiritual war going on, however it is to be waged. Ranting and raving at others of the faith does not win hearts and minds. Yes, you may have a zeal, but understand that you have nothing that you did not receive. As for the KJV, it is not one of the ones I read. Do you think God unable to keep His word intact? I don't reject the KJV, I find the NASB to be more correct. Are you a student of Greek?
@777Levin ...God is able to "Keep his word", as He has done in the KJV, (and in no other book in the English laguage ! ) the reason being that the KJV is the only book called a Bible, in English, that is based on the "Ben Cajjim" masoretic Hebrew Text for the Old Testament, and the Byzantine "common Greek" Text for the New Testament. The NASB uses the fraudulent Greek "Septuaginta" (Egyptian papyrii) Old Testament, that was concocted by Origen, and his "69 helpers",(hence the name septuagint)...
...published in a six column work called the "Hexapla", and had aprox.70 % content of the "Aquilla",(ca.130 A.d.) and aprox. 30% of the "Theodotian",(aprox. 170 A.D) with many "changes" to the Text. Read 2.Sam.21:19, in the NASB, (and ask yourself, who killed Goliath ?) Then compare it to the same passage in the KJV. Then "cross refference" your NASB with 1.Chron.20:5,(in the NASB) and see how it 'reverses' itself.
(proof that it is contaminated text, and there are literally hundreds of such..
Okay, explain Romans 8:1, and the inclusion of "..who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." What, it is now based on works? We are not condemned based on works? And do you think that on that day when we stand before Jesus, He's going to concern Himself with what version of the BIble you read? I remind you of Paul's excellent writing in 1 Corinthians 13: "and though I possess all wisdom, to understand all mysteries, but have not love, I am nothing..." Or is that not in the KJV?
@777Levin ...It is difficult for me to know how little or how much you happen to know of what you are asking. As such I have to just give you a basic answer, and hope you understand. At the same time I do not have the time to reason with you here on this forum. So basically, if you are into "reformed theology", (which is fraudulent doctrine) then you will not "understand" what I am about to say. "Walking "after the spirit" means that a person is "Baptized in the Spirit" (and by that I do not...
...refer to the fraudulent "Charismatic" movement, nor to the fraudulent "oneness" pentecostals. There are Two prominent "works of Grace", discussed in scripture. Jesus referred to them in Jn.3:5, He said to Nicodemus, " Except a man be born of Water and of the Spirit, he CANNOT Enter into the Kingdom of Heaven". The modern Fallacy that this "enduement of Power" anded with the Apostles, is "scholarly speculative nonsense". It is this "spirit baptism" that Paul is referring to in Rom.8:1....
..The Bible you read, is ulta important ! As the docrine of Scripture declares that the Word of God, "Came Not by the will of Man",(1.Pet.1:20-21) So any "contamination" by "the Will of Man", (as in your NASB) brings about corruption. Jesus said "My words are Life unto you". (God's word has "Life", man's word has Nothing) I do not believe that any one can "sustain spiritual life", by reading Any of these modern "reversed visions" called "revised versions",If you disagree, our discussion is over
...errors in the NASB !! Another example, compare Isa.16:1-4, (read the NASB first, to see how you "understand" the passage ) than read it in teh KJV, and see how it "clarifies" from the Hebrew text. (God wrote only one Book !!! And he has preserved THAT text !!! But the "Masonic tampering" and "Corupting " the text (which was already prevalent in Paul the apostle's day, (as mentioned by him) is a historic fact that is continuing today. As for Greek, Yes, I am a student of Greek, and I ...
...actually speak more than ten languages. The NASB is a "perversion" of God's Holy word. And your "Spiritual Attitude" in your first comment "revealed"that you were Not able to discern What is God's word and what is Not. That is why I asked the question ! The NIV has more than 64,000 words Less, than the KJV. If I remember correctly, the NASB has more than 15,000 words missing. Do you think that you might be missing something, reading the corrupt NASB ? (which comes from the Wescott/Hort)
Well, I am so glad that God has not made it complicated. I don't care to wave my pedigree to you, but you call me false, Yes, I have been baptized in the Spirit, and believe the Word of God, as well as God's ability to keep it intact apart from man's involvement. Interesting, the Dead Sea Scrolls, when translated, really had not much difference than modern religions. As for the KJV, King James comissioned the translation to wean the people away from the Catholic church. That's why it's called...
...the Authorized Version. The people who worked the translation weren't neccesarily Christians, and it is theorized that the inclusion in Romans 8 is a margin note that was copied into the text by scribes who did not understand nor had access to the original text. I'm sorry that you feel everyone is in error but you, and it appears as if your devotion is to your doctrine, rather than submitting your doctrine to God. What I believe I have received from Him, however I received it.
If I denied what He has taught me, I would be a liar. Rather than continue to try and point out to you the error, I will only give you this. Temper your zeal with wisdom. You can win the argument and lose the soul.
@777Levin ...Your take on the reason for King James to step in and take control of the raging controversy of Bible text, is faulty. And the 54 "devout men" that he apointed, were "puritans", who would never dare to "tamper with God's word. Besides, they had in 1604, all the text that is available today, besides being "linguists" and scholars of a much higher quality than what is present today. We have found more manuscripts,Yes, But no New WORDING ! I am not referring to the "Quamram" scrolls...
...when discussing the fraudulent nature of the NASB, I am refering to the "Egyptian papyrii", (as in N4, N26, etc.) such as corrupted in over 5000 places by Wescott/ Hort in 1861-81. Next, if you Claim to be baptized in the Spirit, and you are not able to realize that the NASB is "Satan's contaminated Gospel". Then you have by your own words, condemned your "spirit baptism" as a fraud. Based on that, I can predict, that you have "No power" to heal the sick, as you have already demonstrated....
...that you have no "spiritual discernment" to even recognize what is God's word or Not.
Jesus, promised us "power", Not "tongues". You can "babble in glosolalia" all you want, but it will not profit you as concerning the "kingdom of Heaven". Scripture declares "Ye shall know by the Doctrine, whether it be of God or Not". Also, "He that
transgresset, and abideth Not in the doctrine of Christ,Hath Not God ! He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, hath BOTH (two persons) the Father and ...
...the Son". I don't know whether you are a 'charismatic' or of teh "oneness" fraud, but you are deceived in your perception of "Spirit Baptism". As for your "advice", keep such to yourself, as you do not understand my calling. If you lived at teh time of Christ, you would certainly have "condemned" his overturning the tables of the money changers at the temple. ( He whipped them too)
Well, then pray for me. Oh, do you claim to have power to heal the sick? The power belongs to God alone. While you are busy trying to convince people of your beliefs, and all the reasons you have the lined up, you are missing the central, critical point of this whole exercise. Judgement is coming, but Jesus made a way of escape. The Gospel is not for the well-learned, it is for all. You can struggle in your form and process if you want, but people need to know that God loves them...
...and that it is through relationship with Him that we learn how to walk in this world. As long as people cling to their "truth" apart from what God has revealed to us (truth is ONE, period) then all we do is this infighting, and we will never achieve the unity of the Spirit which is God's will. It is apparent that you are judgmentally religious, and consumed in pride, and do not know that you create offense. You place the simple truth whereby a man may be saved out of the realm of faith...
..and make it "this version" and "that process". Fact is, I do speak in tongues and I have many experiences that God works through it. However, mine is personal and what is exercised in church is for the common good. I once asked the Lord why a certain man always prophesied in the Spirit, and the interpretation was always the same theme, about the holiness and love of God. The Lord answered me, "Because that is what fills his heart." YOU CAN'T TOUCH THAT. Gotta go now to my 'demon' church to...
...worship my 'false' God, or so you seem to think. And know this. If you are called to some understanding, and God has given you wisdom, He who gave it is able to take it away again. The point of it all is that people come to know Him. Your denigration of most of the people of God does not at all achieve that aim.
@777Levin ...I am of Pentecostal belief,(That is the Biblical Tri-unity of the Godhead, not to be confused by the Satanic imitation of "one-ness"pentecostalism) but I do not claim to have the "Baptism", as I have refused the "Charismatic lie", because I know about the True "baptism of the Holy Spirit", such as My missionary parents partook of, with Power to Heal the sick and cast out demons. As for your saying "truth is ONE", are you revealing that you are in the "one-ness cult" ? I am Not ...
...as you say; "judgmentally religious". I am correctly pointing out Biblical principles which it seems you cannot comprehend, hence your condemnation of such. If you are UPC or "Apostolic" , Jesus said about ya'll, in Mt.7:21-23, that when ya'll comebefore Him, and claim to have "prophesied' in 'The Name' , he will tell you all that "He NEVER Knew you". Think about it
Sorens, I'm going to take a step back, and desire to speak with you as a brother or sister in Christ, and not like I do with the unbelieving atheists that mock our God. Please allow me some clarification. I do have a B.A. degreein Biblical Literature, and I also study the Greek versions available to us. I only refer to westcott/hort and see what various versions have to say concerning a word or phrase. I understand the desire for a pure faith. I was appalled to read in the Hohlman Bible....
.the translation of that shortest verse, "Jesus wept", translated as "Jesus was angry". I do understand the need for pure doctrine, for in that alone we see a Jesus who is not empathetic with our suffering, but rather angry at our...what, lack of faith? When I say "truth is One", I mean there is one truth. Period. All this wranglng between you and me, there is the true, and you and I both are speaking part true and part false, but we do so earnestly desiring the truth, proclaiming what we ...
...perceive to be true. As Paul said, "Now we see in part, but then we shall fully know as we are known." When I say "truth is One", I mean there is one truth. And anything other than that one truth is false. So, if truth is One, how many false ways are there? Answer: Every other way. And that was satan's sin; he introduced another will into the universe, other than God's will. And herein is the truth, that Jesus died to save sinners. New life is available to all who believe. The works of...
...righteousness and faith that we do are because, as water is wet, so is the character and quality of one who is born again by the Spirit. We do not do them to gain God's pleasure...we have that because we believe in the One whom He sent...Jesus. And I understand also your use of the word "tri-une". I maintain that we cannot know "oneness"as is experienced in God's kingdom, but the best we can do is unity of the faith. To view the oneness that is the rule in that other place as mere "unity"...
...(which is the cohesion of differing parts moving in synchronization), is false. It is a mystery, to be sure, this "oneness", but there you have it. And again, I earnestly plead with you...are you strengthening the brothers and sisters in Christ to avoid sin and walk in holiness? Are you bringing many to the faith, born again, producing children of God? If your doctrine and learning is not doing this, then will it not burn up on that day?
@777Levin ...I shall Also respond to you, as if you are a brother,(yet I do not know, as brothers have the same Father, and if you are following the "oneness" cult, then we do Not have the same Father) Firstly, let me clarify that although I am capable of speaking
a dozen or so languages, I do so by own study, I do not have any degrees of any kind, nor will I ever covet such "masonic acquisition", as my learning has been brought about by diligently searching the scriptures, and following...
..the Biblical prescription of relying on the Holy Spirit to give me instruction.(as per 1.Cor.2:6-8,10-14) That does not mean that I have not studied History, Bible history, and many other facets of learning. It only means that I have not relied on Institutional indoctrination, but have sought out old books, libraries etc. I learned early in life, having been raised on the mission field, that the wisdom God gives, is far greater than that of a
...has imparted to me a tremendeous insight into his word. One of the reasons, we in the "western' world, have a hard time understanding God's word, is because of the many "scholastic" endeavours we are enticed to partake in, by the "experts" who 'spoonfeed' us, and dull our ability to Work and learn on our own. For example; you call truth "ONE". The proper definition of Truth goes like this: "Truth is an accurate representation of that other considderation, (as every cause has an effect...
...and every effect has a cause) and it's relationship to all other things in the entire universe, as it has always been in the past, is universally in the present, and will hold without a singular exception in the entire future". That means, that to be able to come up with a single Truth, one has to know all things in relationship to all other things in the entire universe at the same time. So truth is only possible, if there be an "infinite mind". Now watch this, most people here in the.....
...U.S. think that error, is the opposite of the Truth. Fact is Error, is the 'absense' of Truth. That's why Jesus said, "I am the Truth", as He was declaring his Deity. Now to Bibles, you have already pointed out (correctly) the error of Jn.11:35 in the HCSB,
This is why I pointed out the fraud of teh NASB. Try to find Mt.17:21, in your NASB, (to those of us who believe in the Power of God to heal and to deliver, the words "Prayer and fasting" is very important. And to God's enemies....
...who are "corrupting" His Word, those words are a danger, and must be removed, so that future Christians will Not know How to "By prayer AND FASTING" tap into God and receive the 'enduement' to do the works of Christ. This is the War I was referring to.
As a missionary, called to teach and stand in the Gap, there is No time to play, and for me, I am less concerned with offending someone, than I am concerned with jolting them into spiritual reality with words of Truth. I have been in ...
...ministry since 1963, and have witnesse the "falling away" in the church over the last 40 years or so, and am appalled at the acceptance by Christians of all the modern Bible frauds, and the lack of adherance to the "Doctrine of Christ". As a Bible Teacher, these things are very disturbing, and when someone like Chuck Missler, a 'mason', can continue teaching such falsehood as the Pre-trib rapture theory, without anyone voicing opposition to it, that is troubling.
Well, my holding to a pre-trib rapture view is based upon Daniel 9:27 and 2d Thessalonians 2 Thess 2:3,4. The man of sin cannot be revealed until he who restrains is taken out of the way. Who is it that restrains? And in Daniel 9:27, who is this one that "will confirm a covenant with the many for one seven", who "will put an end to sacrifice and offering"? I'm actually suspecting that this man of sin that will come is one who will be regarded as the 12th Imam of Shiite Islam, and will be...
...Muslim. But really, we must live this day and every day with the expectation of Christ's return, and yet ready to endure whatever comes our way. If it be rapture before the man of sin is revealed, then so be it. If it be Great Tribulation, so be it. But that is the basis for my view of a pre-Tribulation rapture. Who else could get the Palestinians, even all the Muslims, to allow Israel to rebuild the Temple? Another fact that is just as compelling as the time of reign for this 12th Imam...
...is believed to last, according to the Shiites, the "twelvers", 7 years. In addition, it is believed this 12th Imam will appear with Jesus Christ. And as for the falling away, Paul says that it will happen before the man of sin appears. I'm thinking that the situation in this world will be such that elevating him to power will seem like a really good idea, and the best option. Mathew 17:21, the site I use often, Bible Gateway, states that Mt. 17:21 is not found in the earlier manuscripts.
I use Metger's Greek New Testament, produced in cooperation with the Institute for New Testament Textual Research. They give all the sources for inclusion of the verse, and the sources for non-inclusion. The reader may then make up their mind, trusting that by honest searching and abiding in Christ, the reader will choose the correct. Mark 9:29 mentions prayer, but not fasting.
@777Levin ...I think you will greatly benefit from reading "New Age Bible versions" and "In Awe of Thy Word", both by Dr. Gail Riplinger,(A.V. Publications) All modern lexicographers, such as Thayers, Strongs, and Metzgers New Testament, use the Fraudulent "Egyptian papyrii",(Origens Septuagint,A.D. 250, for O.T, and Eusebius' "classical" Greek N.T. A.D.330) In the KJV both Mt.17:21 and Mk.9:29 has the important wording "Prayer and fasting".(as foundnd in the 'Koine' Greek Textus.... receptus
...The "first" Gospel penned was Matthew's Gospel, in Hebrew,(not Greek) and was available at end of 32 A.D. A copy of this Hebrew gospel of Matthew was taken to India by Bartholomew (and Thomas) in 37/38 A.D., and was discovered by Pantænus in 180 A.D at a small Jewish settlement in India, and brought back to Alexandria, where He founded the now infamous school of theology, from which his disciple Clement, and thereafter the "reprobate" Origen brought out the Hexapla, with the Septuaginta...
...One of teh reasons the Theologians shun me,(and hate me) is that I have "old" historic knowwledge,(as I am not brainwashed by their systems of education) and can expose their modern lies ! So concerning the "lockstep" lexicographers rant, That certain texts are "not in the oldest manuscripts", what they are saying is, that the "Vaticanus-B" and the "Sinaiticus-Aleph",(both copies of Eusebius' 330A.D fraud, ordered by Constantine) do Not contain these verses ! (that is because they are....
...part of teh "corrupted text", but by No means are they "the Oldest" manuscripts,such statement is a Lie !! The byzantine text goes back to the first century, where as the Vaticanus/Sianiticus are fouth century ! The Hebrew N.T. (preserved by the Nazareene's) called the KETUVIM NETZARIM, today preserves Matthew in it's original Hebrew from late 32 A.D. If you google "Greek/English interlinear N.T.", then scroll down a few lines to "scripture4 all", click on it and you can search the T.R. ..
...koine Greek text, and you will be surprised at what Wescott/Hort have done in corrupting the Greek N.T. . As you know, Gods word warns against doing such. Only God's word has Life, It came Not by the will of Man,(therefore any changes by the will of Man must result in corruption) Jesus said , "Man shall Live by EVERY WORD OF GOD", that posits, that if any ine word is changed or removed, spiritual life is destroyed, or curtailed. Stay with the trusted KJV, and throw the rest in the Trash....
...As for the "Rapture", the "pre-trib" theory is Gross fraud, and a few scriptures can refute it. My new Book, "The Rapture and it's Seven Different Orders", is going to print next week, it will explain what has Never before been discussed in Mainstream theology, and promises to be a "spiritual Bombshell". I will keep you posted. But to respond to your question in short, 2.Thess.2:1-3 declares that the "coming of the Lord and our gathering unto Him" will be "preceded" by the falling away, and..
...the "revealing" of the "Man of Sin". Such then "refutes" a "pre-trib" Idea, (as does Acts 3:20-21, which refers to the millenium) Dan. 9:27 speaks of the whole 7 year "covenant week", of which the sacrifices will be 'stopped' in the Middle of the week,(this is what Jesus was referring to in Mt.24:15) and notice, his coming had Not yet taken place in that warning, and his followers,(christians) were told to "flee to the mountains" and to "endure to the end". If you go to the "scripture4all"...
...site that I mentioned earlier, then look up 1.Thess.4:15 and 17, you will find that the Greek text reads; "We the Living ,The Ones SURVIVING". in both verses. That is hardly a "proof text' for a "pre-trib" Rapture, as the 'surviving" is in accord with Christ's warning in Mt.24, about "Great tribulation" as was never before, and the "surviving" is the culmination of "flee to the mountains" warning by Christ. Dan 11, speaks of the Antichrist, as not having regard to the "God of his fathers"...
...Yet Isaiah calls Him an "Assyrian". This then confirms that he will have a Jewish Mother, and an Assyrian/Lebanese Father, and you may are probably correct, that he will be the 12th Imam, as the method of "beheading" of the saints spoken of in scripture, is an Islamic way of execution. Jesus said "those days would be shortened", and we find, as I explain in my up-coming book, that indeed Daniel tells us it will be shortened by 110 days,of the last 3-1/2 years.But we wil endure the tribulation
sorens,I understand the position that Jesus was speaking to Christians in Mt.24's statement to "flee to the mountains". But was He? He was speaking to Jews, and in the unbelieving Israel, when the rapture takes place, they will know for certain,and begin to study the Scriptures. It is to them Jesus's words were written in Mt. 24. Now, one thing I have discovered, and it is most heinous, is that when a translator or restorer encounter's Greek word definitions, there are choices to be made....
...which are based on context and agreement. There are many of these, and in the controversy, it is possible to become lost to the original intent that predates even Abraham. And that is the revelation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. One translator may choose one emphasis, while another may choose another. Once that choice is made, it can scarcely be undone by the average reader. Several months ago I was given a list of some 100 or so scriptures that were the basis for a book an atheist is...
...writing. He claimed contradictions, however every instance he cited were easily explained by Hebrew writing style, context, and authorship. A man holds up a store in which there were four different customers, and the clerk. How many different version of events will the police receive? Is any of it false? In this poor analogy, some may be, yet with the Gospels, we cannot consider them to be mere hysterical reactions mixed with poor observation. If they are not that, there must therefore be...
...some other explanation for differences. Perhaps you are correct in your assessment of modern translations, However, I still maintain the position that you are not, nor am I, the sole voice of truth in all of history, save for the Lord Himself. Many men, good men, devout men, well-meaning, well-learned, well-gifted undertook to compile the Biblical canon we have today, with it's translations. I find it most heinous that the dear saint who works in the soup kitchen and holds the hand, praying,
of those who suffer, is neccesarily led astray because she reads the NIV? I have a missionary friend who uses the NIV, and when abroad, the Reina Valera. I have seen the effectiveness of his ministry. Is he somehow leading these children, these people, down some garden path to perdition? Is God so unjust that He would produce His love for people, a devotion to Jesus, in a man's heart and then leave him floundering, promoting the false through faulty translation? How is it that God speaks to us
yet does not say "You are reading the false" when we read the NASB, or the NIV? Many would-be teachers seek credibility and notoriety, even validation, while the dear people of God look to heaven with expectation as they labor in fields, white with harvest. Are they all lost and bound for hell? Jer. 31:33, and Isaiah 49, together, reveal not only God's means of communicating His will, but those to whom He intends for it to be communicated. This is what I mean. Cannot He not keep us and guide...
us into all truth? Must we all make a life study of scripture, apart from any other pursuit, before we find the way to new life in Him? There are those who, new life in Him firmly in place, occupy theirselves with such criticisms of the Bible. And both they and we are blessed by it, to some degree. However I affirm that this alone remains, in the strictest sense, that the highest, most noble pursuit is to preach the Gospel, and produce children of God among the people of the world.
@777Levin ..What you have presented concerning Mt.24, and that this was meant for teh Jews, is the "classic" theological misconception (and dis-information) If you considder carefully Lk.16:16,(in the KJV) it says emphatically, that "The Law and the Prophets were UNTIL John",(John the Baptist) That posits, that aproximately six months later , when Christ BEGAN His ministry, He was ministering in the "New Covenant" epoch or dispensation. That change EVERYTHING !!! That is why Mt.18, discussing..
...discipline in "the Church", concerns the time-line of Christs ministry, and its being already in the "New Covenant era". Which means that Mt.24 concerns the "spiritual Israel" the Church. We learn from scripture, that in the "New covenant" there is no "Male nor female" or "Jew nor Greek", that God has "of the Twain made one New Man". Next, every salutation,or mention of the word "elect" outside of Mt.24, concerns the Church !!, Therefore, in light of Lk.16:16, we must accept that the word...
...the "Elect" in Mt.24, must conform to this meaning, and refer to the Church, as God is Not the author of confusion. The confusion is brought about by theology refusing to accept Lk.16:16 for what it says !!! The NIV has thousands of "changes" where 'mans word" is substituted for Gods words. Only Gods words have "life", so your missionary friend is preaching "another gospel"(2.Cor.11) and as such He and those that hear him, will Never enter the "kingdom of Heaven". Mt.7:13-15 declares...
...Narrow is the way, and "few" are they that "find" it. The "onus" is here laid upon the seeker to find the "narrow way". That means that we do not escape judgment by saying "we did not know". 2Jn 9, declares that "if we abide Not" in the "doctrine of Christ, we have Not God". the severity and magnitude of these passages cannot be over emphasized. On this issue, we will just have to agree to disagree, as I am standing my ground. I urge you to get the books I suggested, from AV Publications.
Okay, in keeping with a pre-trib rapture, the words of Christ in Mathew 24 would indeed be directed to a Jewish culture that converted due to an event so fantastic as to place in limbo their previous understandings and beliefs. And if you declare the Law and Prophets void after join and before Jesus, how do you explain away Mathew 5:17ff? I do agree that God is not the author of confusion, however men have brought confusion into the institutions of God. Man is the author. As for my missionary..
..friend, God will judge him. And I understand that we must seek out the truth, once we have been born of the Spirit. I am in conversation on another venue with someone who decries those who claim Christ by word yet deny Him by their lifestyle. What God has wrought in me, as well as my friend, is described by John 4:8. His laws are written on tablets of flesh, not tablets of stone or paper.
I agree with him in regards to having to go underground (the earth helped the woman in Rev.) Denominationalism will cause great division when the Latter Day rain of Joel 2 falls upon all flesh. Many will be lead by the Spirit of God but many will turn away (the great falling away first...)
I take issue when some over look the gospel of grace and then they preach works especially if you have to go through tribulation to endure, then the effort for salvation would fall on the individuals effort. It would no longer be called grace the gift of God. Paul said that if any preached any other gospel than what he preached, whether angel or man let him be anathema!. Just saying.
To those who think Chuck is wrong on the Rapture: Consider whether the Lord taught you on this subject, or another person, or you got your belief "from the Bible directly."
If you've ever heard the voice of God very much, then you know that it's very easy to "know" you're right when you're really wrong.
Chuck is right on the Rapture and I say that because the Lord Himself taught me and it agrees with what Chuck teaches.
Its good to see some seeing Chuck is wrong on the pre-trib rapture. He's dishonest w/ what scripture says at face value and injects what he wants it to say. II Thess 2- The apostacy comes THEN Anti-X THEN JESUS. No pretrib. Chuck then ADDS to 2Thess 2:3 sayin the restrainer is removed at THAT time for the anit-X to come! WHeres that? AFter temple is rebuilt SO Anti-X can abominate to desolate THEN JESUS comes! Thats when we're caught up with Him to return and inherit the earth READ MATT 24:29-31
you assert "people dont know" about Daniel chapter 9. I do clearly. It says in v26 Yeshus name. So then in v27 it affirms v26 that the deeds events are of Yeshua. So mister misler, what was the reality about Yeshus? Obviously he was "cut off" by crucifix in the mid of fulfilling the 70th week, that negated the "daily sacrifice" of animal (Heb 10:9-10) and negated the Levitical preisthood Mosaic Law "Oblation" "to cease" (Matt 5:12) Rom 10:4. Thank God we hide behind truth not listen to LIARS.
@zobcity01 AMEN. I like Chuck on scientific matters. But on the trib, he's way off and totally twists scripture. Plus he used straw man demonization tactics regarding those that believe post trib. And to say we dont know Daniel 9? Who is he? Can he read scripture for what it says? MATT 24:29-31 Jesus said AFTER the TRIBULATIONS of those days,.. He comes with the angels gathers the elect from the four winds. Jesus said it; not me. "He that endures to the end, he shall be saved".
Chuck is 100% correct about the Rapture. Re-read Matthew 24. Who are the people Jesus is talking to??? They are Jews!!!! Not the Church!!!! Jesus tells them "those who are in Judea, flee to the mountains." Now, where is Judea? In New York, Illinois, Colorado, Florida?? You need to read more of the Bible and don't rely on a few verses or a chapter here or there. Jesus loves His Bride, His Church, His Believers. We come back WITH Christ in Revelation 17:14 & 19:7-15
@JesusHoldMyHand1 In Matt 24 the people Jesus was talking to were His Disciples, the original Church. Until Paul went to the Gentiles, very few non-Jews followed Jesus.
Jerusalem is in Judea. The abomination of desolation will take place there. So, run.
However, it is also symbolic of all cities. This event marks the beginning of the Tribulation. Getting away from cities will improve your odds of survival. Read ALL of Matt 24, and realize Jesus is talking to the Church.
@ReverendTFunk Yes, at the time He was talking to His Disciples ABOUT the Jews. They don't read the New Testament right now, but they will during the Great Tribulation (when Christ opens the 1st Seal - antichrist is introduced). Matthew 24 is all about the 2nd Coming of Christ. He is NOT talking to or about the Church. We will be Raptured BEFORE that man is revealed. And Chuck is right. It could be several years between the Rapture & the Opening of the Seal Judgments.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 So, you think "falling away" (2 Thes 2:3) means "rapture." Well, that word is "apostasia " or the great apostacy that will happen in the church.
Like everyone else you ignore verse 1.
"...concerning the coming of the Lord AND our gathering together unto Him."
verse 2. Don't be fooled by false stories.
verse 3. The Lord will not come and we will not be gathered UNTIL AFTER the Great Apostacy AND the man of sin is revealed. Read 3 verses in a row...
@ReverendTFunk What are you talking about???? "Falling away" is talking about those who are "leaving" the teaching of Christ & the Apostles to follow "other" gospels, such as mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, catholics, etc. "When the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, you will receive a Crown of Glory." 1Peter 5:4 When did Christ appear to the 24 elders of Revelation 4:1-5?? THE RAPTURE "When Christ, who is your life APPEARS, then you WILL also appear WITH Him in Glory." Colossians 3:4
@ReverendTFunk #2 In Revelation 19:7-15 we are in Heaven, going to the Wedding Supper of the Lamb. We return WITH Jesus then & it's also stated in Revelation 17:14, All through the Book of Revelation the 24 elders are praising Jesus Christ. They are the 24 Representatives of Believers - 12 Apostles & 12 Representatives of Israel. The antichrist is revealed in the 1st Seal that Jesus opens. We are IN Heaven then. We don't know how long the time is between the Rapture the opening of that Seal
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Rev 19:1 people in heaven. Verse 6 “And” = people not in heaven.
Rev 16:1-14 we have 6 bowls of wrath. Verse 15, Jesus says, “Behold, I come as a thief in the night. After bowl 6? Yes, a seal, a trumpet and a bowl. After 6 of them, the 7th, the last. And, 1 Cor 15:51, 52 tells us we will not all sleep but WE will be changed AT THE LAST TRUMP.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 OK, why don't you offer some insight on the distinction between them, if you think you can. Does God actually blow a trumpet himself? Is that what you are saying? Show me that....
@ReverendTFunk The "restrainer" or "what is holding him back" in 2Thessalonians 2:5-6 is the Holy Spirit that dwells in each Believer. The evil one or lawless one or the antichrist will be revealed AFTER the Rapture.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 You DO NOT know that "the restrainer" is the Holy Spirit. It could be any political figure standing in the way of the rise of the Beast. If Prince William was the Beast then the Queen of England is preventing him from becoming the King.
You still cannot refute the previous verses. It says plainly that the day of the Lord will not happen until the man of sin is revealed. The language is plain.
@ReverendTFunk Who are the "called, chosen FAITHFUL" who follow Christ? Maybe you should read Romans 12:4-5; 1Corinthians 6:15 & 12:27; Colossians 1:24; 1:22-23; 1Peter 1:1-2; Ephesians 1:4-5; & v11 & many more. "Do you NOT know that the Saints will judge the world?....Do you NOT know that we will judge angels...? 1Corinthians 6:2-3 "See the Lord is coming with thousands & thousands of Holy Ones to JUDGE everyone and to convict all the ungodly...." Jude 14-15 & Zechariah 14:5b
You believe that Jesus appears, scoops us up, goes back to heaven for a later return with us. If that were true He would have mentioned it before Matt 24:30. However, His appearing, coming and gathering all happens in a single event. That event occurs after verse 21, which announces the Trib.
No single sequence of events EVER has two different appearances.
@ReverendTFunk I don't care for your word "scoops". No, we go to Him. He "receives" us. He doesn't need to scoop up anyone. You have distinguished between all the "appear", "appears" & "appearing", haven't you? First, you have to understand when & to whom is this word relating. When He "appears" in the Rapture, it's to the Believers ONLY. At His 2nd Coming (since we're WITH Him), He "appears" to the rest of the world, who NEVER saw him before. Don't jump around Chapters & Verses.
And, now, the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. There is NOT EVEN ONE scripture that suggests such an event takes place. NOT ONE. No scripture or historical/prophetic precedent suggests that God ever saves out a few, but comes back for the rest.
If you can offer a single reference to an appearance that only believers see, I would like to see it. Otherwise, you are proving that you are making it up as you go along.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Bottom line. You believe in a sequence of events that goes like this: The Resurrection The Church Age The Rapture, including an appearance by Jesus to believers only Beast Revealed The Tribulation The 2nd Coming of Jesus The End Matt 24 says, The Resurrection The Church Age Beast Revealed The Tribulation The Rapture, Jesus seen by ALL PEOPLE includes His 2nd Coming. The word appear does not appear until now, and appear, coming and gather appear in 3 consecutive verses
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Matt 24:1-28, the word "appear" never appears. No mention of believers disappearing. Who is this written to? It is written to believers and we are being told what to expect. We will see these things! You must prepare.
You are just making things up.
If you cannot answer this question, we have nothing left to talk about.
So, if you do not answer, DO NOT MAKE ANY MORE COMMENTS TO ME
@ReverendTFunk Since you're going to stay down here, you prepare. I'm going to be in the Rapture of the Church, BEFORE Jesus opens the 1st Seal of HIS judgments. Good Luck to you.
@ReverendTFunk Jesus comes as a thief in the night (quickly, suddenly, quietly) VS Jesus comes in Great Power & Glory & EVERY eye will see Him...Jesus comes when we LEAST expect Him (eating & drinking; marrying & giving in marriage; buying & selling; planting & building) VS nuclear war, 100# hailstones, oceans turn to blood/everything dies, plagues, boils from the sun, massive earthquakes/starvation, all mountains/islands disappear, all greenery burned, satanic man cutting off peoples heads
@JesusHoldMyHand1 He appears suddenly...as a thief caught in the act. Rev 16:15 "I come as a thief..." AFTER the 6th angel blows his trumpet..verse 12. Verses 16 and 17= He gathers and "It is done."
Daniel 12:1, 2 = After chapter 11's description of the kingdoms of Persia, and 12:1's "a time of trouble, such as never was..." -- all describing His return after the trouble. Very plain language talking of the same event.
The trouble comes first in EVERY account. Matt 24:29-31.
@ReverendTFunk He is telling those who read the Bible BEFORE the Rapture, Remember, I will be coming as a thief in the night. He also says in Revelation Revelation 22:12-13 that he is coming soon & His rewards will be with Him. He says this AFTER Eternity is described in Revelation 21 & 22. There are NO rewards at His 2nd Coming, instead He slays those who try to kill Him. In Rev 17:14 His FAITHFUL Believers will be WITH Him when He Returns in Revelation 19:11-12. He repeats information.
Rev 22:12-13 Rewards is "misthos" meaning to pay literally or figuratively for work done good or bad. He is coming to execute judgement. This is not the Crowns.
Rev 17:14 You are again ASSUMING that He comes once to gather the Church and comes AGAIN for the last battle. There is only one more trip from heaven that the Lord is making. Nothing suggests He comes to gather the Church, goes away and comes back a 3rd time. NOTHING.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Well, anyone who does read it must do so before the Rapture. I am not saying everyone will read it. But, everyone who does will have to do so before the Rapture. The Rapture and last battle are the last 2 events of this age.
@ReverendTFunk #1 Do you know about the Judgment Seat of Christ? 2Corinthians 5:10; 1Corinthians 3:12-15. That is the ONLY time Rewards are given to Christians. At the Rapture, all the dead Believers (including Old Testament Saints) & we who are alive (living FAITHFULLY for the Lord) go to the Judgment Seat of Christ. One of the Rewards are CROWNS: 1Peter 5:4; James 1:12; 2Timothy 2:5; 2Timothy 4:8. The 24 elders HAVE their Crowns. Rev. 4:1-4 The JSoC ALREADY took place....No More Crowns
@JesusHoldMyHand1 In spite of your unwillingness to answer my questions, as I have done , I am going to let you move on to yet another topic. And, show that you are wrong.
Rev 4:1-11. The 24 elders give their crowns to the Him who sits on the throne. These are not crowns of reward, but symbols of the authority of the elders. And, even if they were, they would not prohibit any more crowns being given. Again, you add your own ideas.
JSoC = Rev 20:1-6 When does that happen? Read verse 4 CAREFULLY
@ReverendTFunk 12 of the elders are the Disciples. Matthew 19:28 & 12 Representatives of Israel. They take the Crowns OFF of THEIR heads, a lay them at the feet of Jesus, just as we ALL will. The people in Revelation 6 - 19 NEVER meet Christ "in the air". They are NEVER Raptured. Christ sends out His Angels to "gather" those who are ALIVE (Mark 13:26-27), separates them "sheep & goats" Matthew 25:31-46; then "resurrects" the DEAD TS AFTER He comes back to Earth. Rev 20:4-6 OK, I'm done now.
@ReverendTFunk , This guy , "JesusHoldMyHand1" , is an absolute moron, and you are wasting your time discussing this issue with him. I am a missionary/Bible prophecy teacher, in ministry since 1963, and his Stupid and arrogant responses, has caused the "spirit of Slap" to come over me several times. He is an Idiot !!
@ReverendTFunk Another way of saying it is: Now Church, as you read this, REMEMBER, I come as a thief in the night to take you Home & you will not be involved in all this disaster. You'll be WITH me, now don't forget..............Apostosy: People leaving the Faith, giving in to seducing doctrines & spirits, turning away from sound doctine, false teachers & preachers, following other people instead of Jesus Christ......
This is a perfect example of your constant reading between the lines and adding scenarios that are PLAINLY NOT THERE.
In Matthew 24, when is the ONLY mention of a rapture?
Mark 13? The ONLY TIME it is mentioned?
Reading every account of the end, whether it be Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 or Daniel 12, there is ALWAYS a warning about the tribulation. In Luke 21:28 He says "lift up your heads..." AFTER the trib.
@ReverendTFunk #2 Do you know when people are "elect" or chosen? 1Peter 1:1-2; Ephesians 1:4-5 & Ephesians 1:11 That means in every generation from every century from Creation to now, Jesus knew who was (is) going to accept Him. Many of those people will be left behind when the Rapture happens, they WILL repent during the Great Tribulation, others have NOT accepted Christ yet, but WILL during the Great Tribulation, thus fulfilling their "election". FAITHFUL followers of Christ. Rev 17:14
@JesusHoldMyHand1 And, of course, you move on to another topic without answering.
The Greek word "eklektos" is translated as chosen AND elect.
Some who have accepted Christ are left behind? Oh, really? Where do you get that?
The scenario you describe has NO scriptural foundation. You have a habit of pulling a scripture at random and imagining a story completely NOT in the context of the verses you pick.
And, you still have told me where a rapture occurs prior to Matt 24:31. And, you can't.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Chuck is right. we don't have to endure for salvation as some believes Ephesians 2:7-10, That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches fo his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
@39RaptureReady Thank you, My Dear Friend. You don't know how much your kind word has meant to me, especially tonight. There's a lot of hateful people out there. They don't read the Bible, just listen to false videos, teachers & preachers. Hearts & heads made of stone & cement. The Holy Spirit sure has His work cut out for Him. No wonder Christ said there's going to be MORE in Hell than Heaven. He and all the Apostles before us had to talk to these people face-to-face. OUCH!
Rapture lies, here's the truth. II Thess. Chap.1&2:You believers are a symbol of suffering persecution and tribulation..its only right for God to repay “tribulation” to those that trouble you, so rest in peace with those of us that have passed on, when Jesus comes with mighty angels to repay the disobedient he will glorify his saints, but we beg you by his coming and our gathering together unto him, don't believe that day comes until that man of sin be revealed and is destroy at Christ coming.
2 Timothy 4:8 (King James Version) Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Do you think this means taht people who don't believe in the rapture (but are saved) won't get a crown of righteousness?
Actually, the Bible says "Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible." 1 Corinthians 15:51-52. It also says "it is appointed unto man ONCE to die." But the Holy Spirit through Paul says "we (believers) died WITH HIM" fulfilling that. Very interesting, but God's Word does not contradict itself.
I've seen some of Missler's other videos on here and generally I've found him to be right on, but I gotta say, I'm not so thrilled with his NT references proving the "doctrine of immanency" here... Nevertheless I eagerly wait for the return of Messiah. May all who trust in Him be counted worthy to escape what is coming on the world and stand before the Son.
One MAJOR ERROR amongst many christians is this, the idea that Jesus Chrsit is going to "Rapture the church. He is going to gather his elect, his chossen ones. The Gospel of LUKE tells us this... [34] I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. [35] Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."
of the 7 scriptures he listed as scripture teaching that Christ could come at ANY moment, NONE of them teach that there will not be signs preceding as Christ, Paul, and John said there would.
Will you believe Christ, Paul, and John, or will you believe Chuck Missler?
@spincold sad, isn't it... but don't let that keep you from some of Chuck's other teaching. He may be wrong about the Rapture, but I've found him to be quite astute in other areas. Blessings to you brother in Christ Jesus.
Rom11:25After the fullness of the Gentiles Isa26:19;21. Saints removed until God has dealt with Israel Tribulation Rev4God puts pressure on Israel. Hos5:15 I will go & return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, & seek my face: in their affliction they will SEEK me earnestly. Then comes back with saints! Cant return with us! & have us enter into chambers & shut thy doors: hide thyself for a little moment, until the indignation be over past & wait for a while at the same time!
If you study - types in scripture & for shadowing of things to come. You gain insight into the truth! When the rapture happens - the bride & groom (Jesus) go to the wedding feast together. How long did the Jews celebrate a wedding? 1 week 7 days, the groom will arrive any time of day or night after preparing the place for the bride! Then the feast for seven days, as will the bride of Christ go to the Grooms feast & place he has prepared. Hosea 5:15 I will go & return John 14:1-3 Let not your
Cut & paste this link to Khouse, audio & writen notes on
The Harpazo or The Rapture, both mean (the same thing Greek & Latin) some sound study with a bit of help
2Co 4:1 Therefore, since we have this ministry through the mercy shown to us..
Instead, we have renounced secret & shameful ways. We do not use trickery or pervert God's word. By clear statements of the truth we commend ourselves to everyone's conscience before God.
So if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are dying
@vj5467 Thy dead men shall live together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake & sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs & the earth shall cast out the dead. Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers & shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be over past. For behold the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood Isaiah 26:19;21
@vj5467 the second part is inconsistent with post tribe, the context if you check the original text & compare with other text indicates the wait for a little "while" is more consistent with the proposed seven year wait while the indignation of the Lord is measured out!
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers & shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be over past.
@MrWakeview actually if you read prior to verse 19 you will see that this verse is speaking about the day of the lord. that is when we are protected. his wrath will be released after the tribulation.
lol please you can't defend your doctrine and i am not pushing anything on anyone just giving my pre trib brother some some support because he is doing a good job handling you.
vj5467 after making that comment about the tribulation not being God's wrath you are right now in my books a waste of time you don't know your scripture.
lol as i said that i can show verses that the {tribulation} is the wrath of God you on the other hand have ot proven that it is not so until you show me you will not get an answer from me.
dont be stupid now. you know how a conversation works. someone asks a question, then the pother person answers. you dont ask a question just to answer it yourself lol. lets learn some basics to life and communication please.
now again, show me where it says that the trib is god's wrath. show me so i can show you my response
this time around? i was never able to get anything but opinions from you. dont act now like its just this time now.
that fact is that you dont know the answer to my question. you just dont want to admit it. thats why you keep making excuse and wasting your time acting all proud(which god hates) and whatnot so you can feel and look like you know something when you dont. so its okay. i understand that you dont know the answer. if you did you wouldnt have wasted your time.
pride my friend lol i don't think so i am laughing at your reasoning and answers you are giving me its sooooo ridiculous you ask why i won'[t give you any response because i think that you don't deserve any after what you have said.
2Pe 3:5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago & the earth was formed out of water & through water by the word of GOD & that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water & perished.
But by the same word the heavens & earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment & destruction of the ungodly. Who is the Word of God?Rev19:13
they look but don't see & they listen but don't hear or understand
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I strongly urge you, sorens, to repent of this arrogance and wicked pride. If you are indeed a missionary/Bible prophecy teacher, I counsel you to turn from study of prophecy and learn the meaning of "they shall know you are My disciples by the love you have for one another." Remember what Paul said in 1 Co 13? "If I have all knowledge, but do not have love..." Be zealous for God and repent! Why should He destroy your works?
777Levin 1 month ago
Chuck Missler knows nothing about this subject of the first resurrection. I am a missionary/Bible prophecy teacher, and can refute these teachings of Chuck Missler any day of the month , and any month of the year !! BESIDES, there is a rumor, that Chuck Missler is a " 30th DEGREE MASON". Is That true Chuck ???
And if so , what are you doing in the pulpit anyway ???? Please answer the QUESTION Chuck, Are you a Free Mason ????
sorens70601 4 months ago
@sorens70601 Resurrecting Lazrus from the dead, is that the 1st Resurrection? How about Jesus Christ, was He the 1st one Resurrected? Then Peter raised Dorcas from the dead. Was she the 1st. Chuck knows MORE about the Resurrection, Rapture & the Tribulation than the knowledge you have in your little toenail. YOU WILL REPENT for talking about Christians the way you do. You WILL definately go through the GT.
JesusHoldMyHand1 3 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 ...Yes, maybe a little more than what I have in my little toenail. But he does not even measure to my ankles, as to the knowledge I possess in my Head on eschatology and Prophecy. As for your questions, I cannot waste time explaining to you, as you are a MORON, and have no way of understanding it !!((Besides, you are Not a christian, and have an anti-christ spirit)
sorens70601 3 months ago
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@sorens70601 You sound like your father, the Devil. Adios
JesusHoldMyHand1 3 months ago
@sorens70601 I don't know what set you off, but as someone who calls himself "brother" (1 Co. 5:9-13) I urge you to repent of this judgemental and wicked attitude. You obviously appear puffed up with pride and arrogance, and it has very little to do with eschatology. If you indeed claim to be a missionary/Bible prophecy teacher, I urge you to lay off the prophecy and learn about the love we are to have for each other by which "they shall know you are My disciples." May God grant repentance.
777Levin 1 month ago
I strongly urge you, sorens, to repent of this arrogance and wicked pride. If you are indeed a missionary/Bible prophecy teacher, I counsel you to turn from study of prophecy and learn the meaning of "they shall know you are My disciples by the love you have for one another." Remember what Paul said in 1 Co 13? "If I have all knowledge, but do not have love..." Be zealous for God and repent! Why should He destroy your works?
777Levin 1 month ago
@777Levin .. I only now discovered your response. You don't know what you are talking about !!! There is a spiritual "war' going on for the minds and hearts of christians., and my "contending",(as in fighting) for the faith is misconstrued by you, simply because you obviously are not "anchored" in the Thruth. Which leads me to predict that you do not read the KJV Bible, (but rather some modern fraud) you do not have an active prayer life, (as you are probably a "sensual Christian") Missler is..
sorens70601 1 month ago
...is a false teacher on eschatology. Rumors have it he is a member of the 'masonic Lodge', there is also accusations on the internet that he has 'plagiarized' some of his writings. So with such evidence against him , do you still want to tell me I am wrong for bringing this to light ?? As for his false "rapture teachings', why is he afraid to debate me ? I'll tell you why, because he knows I will discredit him, and the Darby/Irving falsehood he propagates. But even if he does not debate me...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...My New book will be out by the end of February this year, and that book will finally expose all these "Rapture Guru's" and the falsehood they promote. As concerning Mt.24, it does Not represent the Jews, as in the New Covenant there is "no more Jew nor Greek" God has made "of the Twain One". Lk. 16:16 declares that "the Law and the Prophets, were UNTIL John", That means Christ ministered in the "New Covenant" dispensation. Hence the instruction of "discipline in the Church",(as per Mt.18)...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...proves that "the Church" era, was already in effect, and as such Mt.24, speaks of the "elect" as the Church. Acts 3:22-23 picks up on Deut.18;18-19, and declares that Christ was that propmised 'prophet'. and if "any among the people, (the Jewish people) would not hear Christ, that "they would be destroyed from among the people", (the Jewish people) All New testament reference s to "the elect", refers to the church, just look up Paul, an Peters salutations and comments. You people are ignorant
sorens70601 1 month ago
Yes, there is indeed a spiritual war going on, however it is to be waged. Ranting and raving at others of the faith does not win hearts and minds. Yes, you may have a zeal, but understand that you have nothing that you did not receive. As for the KJV, it is not one of the ones I read. Do you think God unable to keep His word intact? I don't reject the KJV, I find the NASB to be more correct. Are you a student of Greek?
777Levin 1 month ago
@777Levin ...God is able to "Keep his word", as He has done in the KJV, (and in no other book in the English laguage ! ) the reason being that the KJV is the only book called a Bible, in English, that is based on the "Ben Cajjim" masoretic Hebrew Text for the Old Testament, and the Byzantine "common Greek" Text for the New Testament. The NASB uses the fraudulent Greek "Septuaginta" (Egyptian papyrii) Old Testament, that was concocted by Origen, and his "69 helpers",(hence the name septuagint)...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...published in a six column work called the "Hexapla", and had aprox.70 % content of the "Aquilla",(ca.130 A.d.) and aprox. 30% of the "Theodotian",(aprox. 170 A.D) with many "changes" to the Text. Read 2.Sam.21:19, in the NASB, (and ask yourself, who killed Goliath ?) Then compare it to the same passage in the KJV. Then "cross refference" your NASB with 1.Chron.20:5,(in the NASB) and see how it 'reverses' itself.
(proof that it is contaminated text, and there are literally hundreds of such..
sorens70601 1 month ago
Okay, explain Romans 8:1, and the inclusion of "..who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." What, it is now based on works? We are not condemned based on works? And do you think that on that day when we stand before Jesus, He's going to concern Himself with what version of the BIble you read? I remind you of Paul's excellent writing in 1 Corinthians 13: "and though I possess all wisdom, to understand all mysteries, but have not love, I am nothing..." Or is that not in the KJV?
777Levin 1 month ago
@777Levin ...It is difficult for me to know how little or how much you happen to know of what you are asking. As such I have to just give you a basic answer, and hope you understand. At the same time I do not have the time to reason with you here on this forum. So basically, if you are into "reformed theology", (which is fraudulent doctrine) then you will not "understand" what I am about to say. "Walking "after the spirit" means that a person is "Baptized in the Spirit" (and by that I do not...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...refer to the fraudulent "Charismatic" movement, nor to the fraudulent "oneness" pentecostals. There are Two prominent "works of Grace", discussed in scripture. Jesus referred to them in Jn.3:5, He said to Nicodemus, " Except a man be born of Water and of the Spirit, he CANNOT Enter into the Kingdom of Heaven". The modern Fallacy that this "enduement of Power" anded with the Apostles, is "scholarly speculative nonsense". It is this "spirit baptism" that Paul is referring to in Rom.8:1....
sorens70601 1 month ago
..The Bible you read, is ulta important ! As the docrine of Scripture declares that the Word of God, "Came Not by the will of Man",(1.Pet.1:20-21) So any "contamination" by "the Will of Man", (as in your NASB) brings about corruption. Jesus said "My words are Life unto you". (God's word has "Life", man's word has Nothing) I do not believe that any one can "sustain spiritual life", by reading Any of these modern "reversed visions" called "revised versions",If you disagree, our discussion is over
sorens70601 1 month ago
...errors in the NASB !! Another example, compare Isa.16:1-4, (read the NASB first, to see how you "understand" the passage ) than read it in teh KJV, and see how it "clarifies" from the Hebrew text. (God wrote only one Book !!! And he has preserved THAT text !!! But the "Masonic tampering" and "Corupting " the text (which was already prevalent in Paul the apostle's day, (as mentioned by him) is a historic fact that is continuing today. As for Greek, Yes, I am a student of Greek, and I ...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...actually speak more than ten languages. The NASB is a "perversion" of God's Holy word. And your "Spiritual Attitude" in your first comment "revealed"that you were Not able to discern What is God's word and what is Not. That is why I asked the question ! The NIV has more than 64,000 words Less, than the KJV. If I remember correctly, the NASB has more than 15,000 words missing. Do you think that you might be missing something, reading the corrupt NASB ? (which comes from the Wescott/Hort)
sorens70601 1 month ago
Well, I am so glad that God has not made it complicated. I don't care to wave my pedigree to you, but you call me false, Yes, I have been baptized in the Spirit, and believe the Word of God, as well as God's ability to keep it intact apart from man's involvement. Interesting, the Dead Sea Scrolls, when translated, really had not much difference than modern religions. As for the KJV, King James comissioned the translation to wean the people away from the Catholic church. That's why it's called...
777Levin 1 month ago
...the Authorized Version. The people who worked the translation weren't neccesarily Christians, and it is theorized that the inclusion in Romans 8 is a margin note that was copied into the text by scribes who did not understand nor had access to the original text. I'm sorry that you feel everyone is in error but you, and it appears as if your devotion is to your doctrine, rather than submitting your doctrine to God. What I believe I have received from Him, however I received it.
777Levin 1 month ago
If I denied what He has taught me, I would be a liar. Rather than continue to try and point out to you the error, I will only give you this. Temper your zeal with wisdom. You can win the argument and lose the soul.
777Levin 1 month ago
@777Levin ...Your take on the reason for King James to step in and take control of the raging controversy of Bible text, is faulty. And the 54 "devout men" that he apointed, were "puritans", who would never dare to "tamper with God's word. Besides, they had in 1604, all the text that is available today, besides being "linguists" and scholars of a much higher quality than what is present today. We have found more manuscripts,Yes, But no New WORDING ! I am not referring to the "Quamram" scrolls...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...when discussing the fraudulent nature of the NASB, I am refering to the "Egyptian papyrii", (as in N4, N26, etc.) such as corrupted in over 5000 places by Wescott/ Hort in 1861-81. Next, if you Claim to be baptized in the Spirit, and you are not able to realize that the NASB is "Satan's contaminated Gospel". Then you have by your own words, condemned your "spirit baptism" as a fraud. Based on that, I can predict, that you have "No power" to heal the sick, as you have already demonstrated....
sorens70601 1 month ago
...that you have no "spiritual discernment" to even recognize what is God's word or Not.
Jesus, promised us "power", Not "tongues". You can "babble in glosolalia" all you want, but it will not profit you as concerning the "kingdom of Heaven". Scripture declares "Ye shall know by the Doctrine, whether it be of God or Not". Also, "He that
transgresset, and abideth Not in the doctrine of Christ,Hath Not God ! He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, hath BOTH (two persons) the Father and ...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...the Son". I don't know whether you are a 'charismatic' or of teh "oneness" fraud, but you are deceived in your perception of "Spirit Baptism". As for your "advice", keep such to yourself, as you do not understand my calling. If you lived at teh time of Christ, you would certainly have "condemned" his overturning the tables of the money changers at the temple. ( He whipped them too)
sorens70601 1 month ago
Well, then pray for me. Oh, do you claim to have power to heal the sick? The power belongs to God alone. While you are busy trying to convince people of your beliefs, and all the reasons you have the lined up, you are missing the central, critical point of this whole exercise. Judgement is coming, but Jesus made a way of escape. The Gospel is not for the well-learned, it is for all. You can struggle in your form and process if you want, but people need to know that God loves them...
777Levin 1 month ago
...and that it is through relationship with Him that we learn how to walk in this world. As long as people cling to their "truth" apart from what God has revealed to us (truth is ONE, period) then all we do is this infighting, and we will never achieve the unity of the Spirit which is God's will. It is apparent that you are judgmentally religious, and consumed in pride, and do not know that you create offense. You place the simple truth whereby a man may be saved out of the realm of faith...
777Levin 1 month ago
..and make it "this version" and "that process". Fact is, I do speak in tongues and I have many experiences that God works through it. However, mine is personal and what is exercised in church is for the common good. I once asked the Lord why a certain man always prophesied in the Spirit, and the interpretation was always the same theme, about the holiness and love of God. The Lord answered me, "Because that is what fills his heart." YOU CAN'T TOUCH THAT. Gotta go now to my 'demon' church to...
777Levin 1 month ago
...worship my 'false' God, or so you seem to think. And know this. If you are called to some understanding, and God has given you wisdom, He who gave it is able to take it away again. The point of it all is that people come to know Him. Your denigration of most of the people of God does not at all achieve that aim.
777Levin 1 month ago
@777Levin ...I am of Pentecostal belief,(That is the Biblical Tri-unity of the Godhead, not to be confused by the Satanic imitation of "one-ness"pentecostalism) but I do not claim to have the "Baptism", as I have refused the "Charismatic lie", because I know about the True "baptism of the Holy Spirit", such as My missionary parents partook of, with Power to Heal the sick and cast out demons. As for your saying "truth is ONE", are you revealing that you are in the "one-ness cult" ? I am Not ...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...as you say; "judgmentally religious". I am correctly pointing out Biblical principles which it seems you cannot comprehend, hence your condemnation of such. If you are UPC or "Apostolic" , Jesus said about ya'll, in Mt.7:21-23, that when ya'll comebefore Him, and claim to have "prophesied' in 'The Name' , he will tell you all that "He NEVER Knew you". Think about it
sorens70601 1 month ago
Sorens, I'm going to take a step back, and desire to speak with you as a brother or sister in Christ, and not like I do with the unbelieving atheists that mock our God. Please allow me some clarification. I do have a B.A. degreein Biblical Literature, and I also study the Greek versions available to us. I only refer to westcott/hort and see what various versions have to say concerning a word or phrase. I understand the desire for a pure faith. I was appalled to read in the Hohlman Bible....
777Levin 1 month ago
.the translation of that shortest verse, "Jesus wept", translated as "Jesus was angry". I do understand the need for pure doctrine, for in that alone we see a Jesus who is not empathetic with our suffering, but rather angry at our...what, lack of faith? When I say "truth is One", I mean there is one truth. Period. All this wranglng between you and me, there is the true, and you and I both are speaking part true and part false, but we do so earnestly desiring the truth, proclaiming what we ...
777Levin 1 month ago
...perceive to be true. As Paul said, "Now we see in part, but then we shall fully know as we are known." When I say "truth is One", I mean there is one truth. And anything other than that one truth is false. So, if truth is One, how many false ways are there? Answer: Every other way. And that was satan's sin; he introduced another will into the universe, other than God's will. And herein is the truth, that Jesus died to save sinners. New life is available to all who believe. The works of...
777Levin 1 month ago
...righteousness and faith that we do are because, as water is wet, so is the character and quality of one who is born again by the Spirit. We do not do them to gain God's pleasure...we have that because we believe in the One whom He sent...Jesus. And I understand also your use of the word "tri-une". I maintain that we cannot know "oneness"as is experienced in God's kingdom, but the best we can do is unity of the faith. To view the oneness that is the rule in that other place as mere "unity"...
777Levin 1 month ago
...(which is the cohesion of differing parts moving in synchronization), is false. It is a mystery, to be sure, this "oneness", but there you have it. And again, I earnestly plead with you...are you strengthening the brothers and sisters in Christ to avoid sin and walk in holiness? Are you bringing many to the faith, born again, producing children of God? If your doctrine and learning is not doing this, then will it not burn up on that day?
777Levin 1 month ago
@777Levin ...I shall Also respond to you, as if you are a brother,(yet I do not know, as brothers have the same Father, and if you are following the "oneness" cult, then we do Not have the same Father) Firstly, let me clarify that although I am capable of speaking
a dozen or so languages, I do so by own study, I do not have any degrees of any kind, nor will I ever covet such "masonic acquisition", as my learning has been brought about by diligently searching the scriptures, and following...
sorens70601 1 month ago
..the Biblical prescription of relying on the Holy Spirit to give me instruction.(as per 1.Cor.2:6-8,10-14) That does not mean that I have not studied History, Bible history, and many other facets of learning. It only means that I have not relied on Institutional indoctrination, but have sought out old books, libraries etc. I learned early in life, having been raised on the mission field, that the wisdom God gives, is far greater than that of a
"masonic affiliated" professor. As such, God...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...has imparted to me a tremendeous insight into his word. One of the reasons, we in the "western' world, have a hard time understanding God's word, is because of the many "scholastic" endeavours we are enticed to partake in, by the "experts" who 'spoonfeed' us, and dull our ability to Work and learn on our own. For example; you call truth "ONE". The proper definition of Truth goes like this: "Truth is an accurate representation of that other considderation, (as every cause has an effect...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...and every effect has a cause) and it's relationship to all other things in the entire universe, as it has always been in the past, is universally in the present, and will hold without a singular exception in the entire future". That means, that to be able to come up with a single Truth, one has to know all things in relationship to all other things in the entire universe at the same time. So truth is only possible, if there be an "infinite mind". Now watch this, most people here in the.....
sorens70601 1 month ago
...U.S. think that error, is the opposite of the Truth. Fact is Error, is the 'absense' of Truth. That's why Jesus said, "I am the Truth", as He was declaring his Deity. Now to Bibles, you have already pointed out (correctly) the error of Jn.11:35 in the HCSB,
This is why I pointed out the fraud of teh NASB. Try to find Mt.17:21, in your NASB, (to those of us who believe in the Power of God to heal and to deliver, the words "Prayer and fasting" is very important. And to God's enemies....
sorens70601 1 month ago
...who are "corrupting" His Word, those words are a danger, and must be removed, so that future Christians will Not know How to "By prayer AND FASTING" tap into God and receive the 'enduement' to do the works of Christ. This is the War I was referring to.
As a missionary, called to teach and stand in the Gap, there is No time to play, and for me, I am less concerned with offending someone, than I am concerned with jolting them into spiritual reality with words of Truth. I have been in ...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...ministry since 1963, and have witnesse the "falling away" in the church over the last 40 years or so, and am appalled at the acceptance by Christians of all the modern Bible frauds, and the lack of adherance to the "Doctrine of Christ". As a Bible Teacher, these things are very disturbing, and when someone like Chuck Missler, a 'mason', can continue teaching such falsehood as the Pre-trib rapture theory, without anyone voicing opposition to it, that is troubling.
sorens70601 1 month ago
Well, my holding to a pre-trib rapture view is based upon Daniel 9:27 and 2d Thessalonians 2 Thess 2:3,4. The man of sin cannot be revealed until he who restrains is taken out of the way. Who is it that restrains? And in Daniel 9:27, who is this one that "will confirm a covenant with the many for one seven", who "will put an end to sacrifice and offering"? I'm actually suspecting that this man of sin that will come is one who will be regarded as the 12th Imam of Shiite Islam, and will be...
777Levin 1 month ago
...Muslim. But really, we must live this day and every day with the expectation of Christ's return, and yet ready to endure whatever comes our way. If it be rapture before the man of sin is revealed, then so be it. If it be Great Tribulation, so be it. But that is the basis for my view of a pre-Tribulation rapture. Who else could get the Palestinians, even all the Muslims, to allow Israel to rebuild the Temple? Another fact that is just as compelling as the time of reign for this 12th Imam...
777Levin 1 month ago
...is believed to last, according to the Shiites, the "twelvers", 7 years. In addition, it is believed this 12th Imam will appear with Jesus Christ. And as for the falling away, Paul says that it will happen before the man of sin appears. I'm thinking that the situation in this world will be such that elevating him to power will seem like a really good idea, and the best option. Mathew 17:21, the site I use often, Bible Gateway, states that Mt. 17:21 is not found in the earlier manuscripts.
777Levin 1 month ago
I use Metger's Greek New Testament, produced in cooperation with the Institute for New Testament Textual Research. They give all the sources for inclusion of the verse, and the sources for non-inclusion. The reader may then make up their mind, trusting that by honest searching and abiding in Christ, the reader will choose the correct. Mark 9:29 mentions prayer, but not fasting.
777Levin 1 month ago
@777Levin ...I think you will greatly benefit from reading "New Age Bible versions" and "In Awe of Thy Word", both by Dr. Gail Riplinger,(A.V. Publications) All modern lexicographers, such as Thayers, Strongs, and Metzgers New Testament, use the Fraudulent "Egyptian papyrii",(Origens Septuagint,A.D. 250, for O.T, and Eusebius' "classical" Greek N.T. A.D.330) In the KJV both Mt.17:21 and Mk.9:29 has the important wording "Prayer and fasting".(as foundnd in the 'Koine' Greek Textus.... receptus
sorens70601 1 month ago
...The "first" Gospel penned was Matthew's Gospel, in Hebrew,(not Greek) and was available at end of 32 A.D. A copy of this Hebrew gospel of Matthew was taken to India by Bartholomew (and Thomas) in 37/38 A.D., and was discovered by Pantænus in 180 A.D at a small Jewish settlement in India, and brought back to Alexandria, where He founded the now infamous school of theology, from which his disciple Clement, and thereafter the "reprobate" Origen brought out the Hexapla, with the Septuaginta...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...One of teh reasons the Theologians shun me,(and hate me) is that I have "old" historic knowwledge,(as I am not brainwashed by their systems of education) and can expose their modern lies ! So concerning the "lockstep" lexicographers rant, That certain texts are "not in the oldest manuscripts", what they are saying is, that the "Vaticanus-B" and the "Sinaiticus-Aleph",(both copies of Eusebius' 330A.D fraud, ordered by Constantine) do Not contain these verses ! (that is because they are....
sorens70601 1 month ago
...part of teh "corrupted text", but by No means are they "the Oldest" manuscripts,such statement is a Lie !! The byzantine text goes back to the first century, where as the Vaticanus/Sianiticus are fouth century ! The Hebrew N.T. (preserved by the Nazareene's) called the KETUVIM NETZARIM, today preserves Matthew in it's original Hebrew from late 32 A.D. If you google "Greek/English interlinear N.T.", then scroll down a few lines to "scripture4 all", click on it and you can search the T.R. ..
sorens70601 1 month ago
...koine Greek text, and you will be surprised at what Wescott/Hort have done in corrupting the Greek N.T. . As you know, Gods word warns against doing such. Only God's word has Life, It came Not by the will of Man,(therefore any changes by the will of Man must result in corruption) Jesus said , "Man shall Live by EVERY WORD OF GOD", that posits, that if any ine word is changed or removed, spiritual life is destroyed, or curtailed. Stay with the trusted KJV, and throw the rest in the Trash....
sorens70601 1 month ago
...As for the "Rapture", the "pre-trib" theory is Gross fraud, and a few scriptures can refute it. My new Book, "The Rapture and it's Seven Different Orders", is going to print next week, it will explain what has Never before been discussed in Mainstream theology, and promises to be a "spiritual Bombshell". I will keep you posted. But to respond to your question in short, 2.Thess.2:1-3 declares that the "coming of the Lord and our gathering unto Him" will be "preceded" by the falling away, and..
sorens70601 1 month ago
...the "revealing" of the "Man of Sin". Such then "refutes" a "pre-trib" Idea, (as does Acts 3:20-21, which refers to the millenium) Dan. 9:27 speaks of the whole 7 year "covenant week", of which the sacrifices will be 'stopped' in the Middle of the week,(this is what Jesus was referring to in Mt.24:15) and notice, his coming had Not yet taken place in that warning, and his followers,(christians) were told to "flee to the mountains" and to "endure to the end". If you go to the "scripture4all"...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...site that I mentioned earlier, then look up 1.Thess.4:15 and 17, you will find that the Greek text reads; "We the Living ,The Ones SURVIVING". in both verses. That is hardly a "proof text' for a "pre-trib" Rapture, as the 'surviving" is in accord with Christ's warning in Mt.24, about "Great tribulation" as was never before, and the "surviving" is the culmination of "flee to the mountains" warning by Christ. Dan 11, speaks of the Antichrist, as not having regard to the "God of his fathers"...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...Yet Isaiah calls Him an "Assyrian". This then confirms that he will have a Jewish Mother, and an Assyrian/Lebanese Father, and you may are probably correct, that he will be the 12th Imam, as the method of "beheading" of the saints spoken of in scripture, is an Islamic way of execution. Jesus said "those days would be shortened", and we find, as I explain in my up-coming book, that indeed Daniel tells us it will be shortened by 110 days,of the last 3-1/2 years.But we wil endure the tribulation
sorens70601 1 month ago
sorens,I understand the position that Jesus was speaking to Christians in Mt.24's statement to "flee to the mountains". But was He? He was speaking to Jews, and in the unbelieving Israel, when the rapture takes place, they will know for certain,and begin to study the Scriptures. It is to them Jesus's words were written in Mt. 24. Now, one thing I have discovered, and it is most heinous, is that when a translator or restorer encounter's Greek word definitions, there are choices to be made....
777Levin 1 month ago
...which are based on context and agreement. There are many of these, and in the controversy, it is possible to become lost to the original intent that predates even Abraham. And that is the revelation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. One translator may choose one emphasis, while another may choose another. Once that choice is made, it can scarcely be undone by the average reader. Several months ago I was given a list of some 100 or so scriptures that were the basis for a book an atheist is...
777Levin 1 month ago
...writing. He claimed contradictions, however every instance he cited were easily explained by Hebrew writing style, context, and authorship. A man holds up a store in which there were four different customers, and the clerk. How many different version of events will the police receive? Is any of it false? In this poor analogy, some may be, yet with the Gospels, we cannot consider them to be mere hysterical reactions mixed with poor observation. If they are not that, there must therefore be...
777Levin 1 month ago
...some other explanation for differences. Perhaps you are correct in your assessment of modern translations, However, I still maintain the position that you are not, nor am I, the sole voice of truth in all of history, save for the Lord Himself. Many men, good men, devout men, well-meaning, well-learned, well-gifted undertook to compile the Biblical canon we have today, with it's translations. I find it most heinous that the dear saint who works in the soup kitchen and holds the hand, praying,
777Levin 1 month ago
of those who suffer, is neccesarily led astray because she reads the NIV? I have a missionary friend who uses the NIV, and when abroad, the Reina Valera. I have seen the effectiveness of his ministry. Is he somehow leading these children, these people, down some garden path to perdition? Is God so unjust that He would produce His love for people, a devotion to Jesus, in a man's heart and then leave him floundering, promoting the false through faulty translation? How is it that God speaks to us
777Levin 1 month ago
yet does not say "You are reading the false" when we read the NASB, or the NIV? Many would-be teachers seek credibility and notoriety, even validation, while the dear people of God look to heaven with expectation as they labor in fields, white with harvest. Are they all lost and bound for hell? Jer. 31:33, and Isaiah 49, together, reveal not only God's means of communicating His will, but those to whom He intends for it to be communicated. This is what I mean. Cannot He not keep us and guide...
777Levin 1 month ago
us into all truth? Must we all make a life study of scripture, apart from any other pursuit, before we find the way to new life in Him? There are those who, new life in Him firmly in place, occupy theirselves with such criticisms of the Bible. And both they and we are blessed by it, to some degree. However I affirm that this alone remains, in the strictest sense, that the highest, most noble pursuit is to preach the Gospel, and produce children of God among the people of the world.
777Levin 1 month ago
@777Levin ..What you have presented concerning Mt.24, and that this was meant for teh Jews, is the "classic" theological misconception (and dis-information) If you considder carefully Lk.16:16,(in the KJV) it says emphatically, that "The Law and the Prophets were UNTIL John",(John the Baptist) That posits, that aproximately six months later , when Christ BEGAN His ministry, He was ministering in the "New Covenant" epoch or dispensation. That change EVERYTHING !!! That is why Mt.18, discussing..
sorens70601 1 month ago
...discipline in "the Church", concerns the time-line of Christs ministry, and its being already in the "New Covenant era". Which means that Mt.24 concerns the "spiritual Israel" the Church. We learn from scripture, that in the "New covenant" there is no "Male nor female" or "Jew nor Greek", that God has "of the Twain made one New Man". Next, every salutation,or mention of the word "elect" outside of Mt.24, concerns the Church !!, Therefore, in light of Lk.16:16, we must accept that the word...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...the "Elect" in Mt.24, must conform to this meaning, and refer to the Church, as God is Not the author of confusion. The confusion is brought about by theology refusing to accept Lk.16:16 for what it says !!! The NIV has thousands of "changes" where 'mans word" is substituted for Gods words. Only Gods words have "life", so your missionary friend is preaching "another gospel"(2.Cor.11) and as such He and those that hear him, will Never enter the "kingdom of Heaven". Mt.7:13-15 declares...
sorens70601 1 month ago
...Narrow is the way, and "few" are they that "find" it. The "onus" is here laid upon the seeker to find the "narrow way". That means that we do not escape judgment by saying "we did not know". 2Jn 9, declares that "if we abide Not" in the "doctrine of Christ, we have Not God". the severity and magnitude of these passages cannot be over emphasized. On this issue, we will just have to agree to disagree, as I am standing my ground. I urge you to get the books I suggested, from AV Publications.
sorens70601 1 month ago
Okay, in keeping with a pre-trib rapture, the words of Christ in Mathew 24 would indeed be directed to a Jewish culture that converted due to an event so fantastic as to place in limbo their previous understandings and beliefs. And if you declare the Law and Prophets void after join and before Jesus, how do you explain away Mathew 5:17ff? I do agree that God is not the author of confusion, however men have brought confusion into the institutions of God. Man is the author. As for my missionary..
777Levin 1 month ago
..friend, God will judge him. And I understand that we must seek out the truth, once we have been born of the Spirit. I am in conversation on another venue with someone who decries those who claim Christ by word yet deny Him by their lifestyle. What God has wrought in me, as well as my friend, is described by John 4:8. His laws are written on tablets of flesh, not tablets of stone or paper.
777Levin 1 month ago
Matthew 24:4, 24:9, 24:11, Brothers and sisters...be not deceived...endure to end. Love all of you!
BLEEVEJOHN316 6 months ago
My bible (kjv) says in Mark 13:24, Matthew 24:29, that Our Lord Jesus Christ will be coming AFTER tribulation.
BLEEVEJOHN316 6 months ago
where is part 3?
MrIamheretostay 9 months ago
I agree with him in regards to having to go underground (the earth helped the woman in Rev.) Denominationalism will cause great division when the Latter Day rain of Joel 2 falls upon all flesh. Many will be lead by the Spirit of God but many will turn away (the great falling away first...)
DANINJA48 10 months ago
I take issue when some over look the gospel of grace and then they preach works especially if you have to go through tribulation to endure, then the effort for salvation would fall on the individuals effort. It would no longer be called grace the gift of God. Paul said that if any preached any other gospel than what he preached, whether angel or man let him be anathema!. Just saying.
TheGrace4all 11 months ago
Peacefully, I ask: How can Paul make countless remarks about the COMING of Christ and the Preterists hold that he's already come?
ouluvme2 11 months ago
Part 3 please? ^__^
Zumaoarirido777 1 year ago
To those who think Chuck is wrong on the Rapture: Consider whether the Lord taught you on this subject, or another person, or you got your belief "from the Bible directly."
If you've ever heard the voice of God very much, then you know that it's very easy to "know" you're right when you're really wrong.
Chuck is right on the Rapture and I say that because the Lord Himself taught me and it agrees with what Chuck teaches.
911dispatcher 1 year ago
Its good to see some seeing Chuck is wrong on the pre-trib rapture. He's dishonest w/ what scripture says at face value and injects what he wants it to say. II Thess 2- The apostacy comes THEN Anti-X THEN JESUS. No pretrib. Chuck then ADDS to 2Thess 2:3 sayin the restrainer is removed at THAT time for the anit-X to come! WHeres that? AFter temple is rebuilt SO Anti-X can abominate to desolate THEN JESUS comes! Thats when we're caught up with Him to return and inherit the earth READ MATT 24:29-31
GodsRight 1 year ago
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you assert "people dont know" about Daniel chapter 9. I do clearly. It says in v26 Yeshus name. So then in v27 it affirms v26 that the deeds events are of Yeshua. So mister misler, what was the reality about Yeshus? Obviously he was "cut off" by crucifix in the mid of fulfilling the 70th week, that negated the "daily sacrifice" of animal (Heb 10:9-10) and negated the Levitical preisthood Mosaic Law "Oblation" "to cease" (Matt 5:12) Rom 10:4. Thank God we hide behind truth not listen to LIARS.
zobcity01 1 year ago
@zobcity01 AMEN. I like Chuck on scientific matters. But on the trib, he's way off and totally twists scripture. Plus he used straw man demonization tactics regarding those that believe post trib. And to say we dont know Daniel 9? Who is he? Can he read scripture for what it says? MATT 24:29-31 Jesus said AFTER the TRIBULATIONS of those days,.. He comes with the angels gathers the elect from the four winds. Jesus said it; not me. "He that endures to the end, he shall be saved".
GodsRight 1 year ago
@GodsRight
Chuck is 100% correct about the Rapture. Re-read Matthew 24. Who are the people Jesus is talking to??? They are Jews!!!! Not the Church!!!! Jesus tells them "those who are in Judea, flee to the mountains." Now, where is Judea? In New York, Illinois, Colorado, Florida?? You need to read more of the Bible and don't rely on a few verses or a chapter here or there. Jesus loves His Bride, His Church, His Believers. We come back WITH Christ in Revelation 17:14 & 19:7-15
JesusHoldMyHand1 1 year ago 7
@JesusHoldMyHand1 In Matt 24 the people Jesus was talking to were His Disciples, the original Church. Until Paul went to the Gentiles, very few non-Jews followed Jesus.
Jerusalem is in Judea. The abomination of desolation will take place there. So, run.
However, it is also symbolic of all cities. This event marks the beginning of the Tribulation. Getting away from cities will improve your odds of survival. Read ALL of Matt 24, and realize Jesus is talking to the Church.
ReverendTFunk 11 months ago
@ReverendTFunk Yes, at the time He was talking to His Disciples ABOUT the Jews. They don't read the New Testament right now, but they will during the Great Tribulation (when Christ opens the 1st Seal - antichrist is introduced). Matthew 24 is all about the 2nd Coming of Christ. He is NOT talking to or about the Church. We will be Raptured BEFORE that man is revealed. And Chuck is right. It could be several years between the Rapture & the Opening of the Seal Judgments.
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 So, you think "falling away" (2 Thes 2:3) means "rapture." Well, that word is "apostasia " or the great apostacy that will happen in the church.
Like everyone else you ignore verse 1.
"...concerning the coming of the Lord AND our gathering together unto Him."
verse 2. Don't be fooled by false stories.
verse 3. The Lord will not come and we will not be gathered UNTIL AFTER the Great Apostacy AND the man of sin is revealed. Read 3 verses in a row...
ReverendTFunk 9 months ago
@ReverendTFunk What are you talking about???? "Falling away" is talking about those who are "leaving" the teaching of Christ & the Apostles to follow "other" gospels, such as mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, catholics, etc. "When the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, you will receive a Crown of Glory." 1Peter 5:4 When did Christ appear to the 24 elders of Revelation 4:1-5?? THE RAPTURE "When Christ, who is your life APPEARS, then you WILL also appear WITH Him in Glory." Colossians 3:4
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@ReverendTFunk #2 In Revelation 19:7-15 we are in Heaven, going to the Wedding Supper of the Lamb. We return WITH Jesus then & it's also stated in Revelation 17:14, All through the Book of Revelation the 24 elders are praising Jesus Christ. They are the 24 Representatives of Believers - 12 Apostles & 12 Representatives of Israel. The antichrist is revealed in the 1st Seal that Jesus opens. We are IN Heaven then. We don't know how long the time is between the Rapture the opening of that Seal
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Rev 19:1 people in heaven. Verse 6 “And” = people not in heaven.
Rev 16:1-14 we have 6 bowls of wrath. Verse 15, Jesus says, “Behold, I come as a thief in the night. After bowl 6? Yes, a seal, a trumpet and a bowl. After 6 of them, the 7th, the last. And, 1 Cor 15:51, 52 tells us we will not all sleep but WE will be changed AT THE LAST TRUMP.
1 Cor 4:16 trump of God.
Rev 16:17 7th trump. It is done.
ReverendTFunk 9 months ago
@ReverendTFunk You are mixing the "trumpet call of God/Trump of God" with the 7th Trumpet of JUDGMENT that the ANGEL BLOWS.
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 OK, why don't you offer some insight on the distinction between them, if you think you can. Does God actually blow a trumpet himself? Is that what you are saying? Show me that....
ReverendTFunk 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Rev 17:14 doesn't say it's US. It simply says they are called, chosen and faithful.
2 Thes 2:1-5 The coming of Jesus will NOT occur until the man of sin revealed. It says plainly.
Verse 15, he says, “stand fast.” Stand fast against no threat? Jesus will snatch you up before the trouble starts.
Does not say that at all.
Verse 13 Paul is giving thanks in the midst of this threat which he imagined was beginning to happen at that time.
ReverendTFunk 9 months ago
@ReverendTFunk The "restrainer" or "what is holding him back" in 2Thessalonians 2:5-6 is the Holy Spirit that dwells in each Believer. The evil one or lawless one or the antichrist will be revealed AFTER the Rapture.
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 You DO NOT know that "the restrainer" is the Holy Spirit. It could be any political figure standing in the way of the rise of the Beast. If Prince William was the Beast then the Queen of England is preventing him from becoming the King.
You still cannot refute the previous verses. It says plainly that the day of the Lord will not happen until the man of sin is revealed. The language is plain.
ReverendTFunk 9 months ago
@ReverendTFunk Who are the "called, chosen FAITHFUL" who follow Christ? Maybe you should read Romans 12:4-5; 1Corinthians 6:15 & 12:27; Colossians 1:24; 1:22-23; 1Peter 1:1-2; Ephesians 1:4-5; & v11 & many more. "Do you NOT know that the Saints will judge the world?....Do you NOT know that we will judge angels...? 1Corinthians 6:2-3 "See the Lord is coming with thousands & thousands of Holy Ones to JUDGE everyone and to convict all the ungodly...." Jude 14-15 & Zechariah 14:5b
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 At issue here is the the word “appear.”
You believe that Jesus appears, scoops us up, goes back to heaven for a later return with us. If that were true He would have mentioned it before Matt 24:30. However, His appearing, coming and gathering all happens in a single event. That event occurs after verse 21, which announces the Trib.
No single sequence of events EVER has two different appearances.
ReverendTFunk 9 months ago
@ReverendTFunk I don't care for your word "scoops". No, we go to Him. He "receives" us. He doesn't need to scoop up anyone. You have distinguished between all the "appear", "appears" & "appearing", haven't you? First, you have to understand when & to whom is this word relating. When He "appears" in the Rapture, it's to the Believers ONLY. At His 2nd Coming (since we're WITH Him), He "appears" to the rest of the world, who NEVER saw him before. Don't jump around Chapters & Verses.
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Actually, He gathers us.
And, now, the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. There is NOT EVEN ONE scripture that suggests such an event takes place. NOT ONE. No scripture or historical/prophetic precedent suggests that God ever saves out a few, but comes back for the rest.
If you can offer a single reference to an appearance that only believers see, I would like to see it. Otherwise, you are proving that you are making it up as you go along.
ReverendTFunk 9 months ago
ReverendTFunk 9 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Matt 24:1-28, the word "appear" never appears. No mention of believers disappearing. Who is this written to? It is written to believers and we are being told what to expect. We will see these things! You must prepare.
You are just making things up.
If you cannot answer this question, we have nothing left to talk about.
So, if you do not answer, DO NOT MAKE ANY MORE COMMENTS TO ME
To whom is Jesus speaking? - Matt 24:15-21
ReverendTFunk 9 months ago
@ReverendTFunk Since you're going to stay down here, you prepare. I'm going to be in the Rapture of the Church, BEFORE Jesus opens the 1st Seal of HIS judgments. Good Luck to you.
JesusHoldMyHand1 9 months ago
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@JesusHoldMyHand1 Still can't answer the question.
But, still making comments.
Either answer the question or do not respond. It's that simple. Do you understand?
ReverendTFunk 9 months ago
@ReverendTFunk Jesus comes as a thief in the night (quickly, suddenly, quietly) VS Jesus comes in Great Power & Glory & EVERY eye will see Him...Jesus comes when we LEAST expect Him (eating & drinking; marrying & giving in marriage; buying & selling; planting & building) VS nuclear war, 100# hailstones, oceans turn to blood/everything dies, plagues, boils from the sun, massive earthquakes/starvation, all mountains/islands disappear, all greenery burned, satanic man cutting off peoples heads
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 He appears suddenly...as a thief caught in the act. Rev 16:15 "I come as a thief..." AFTER the 6th angel blows his trumpet..verse 12. Verses 16 and 17= He gathers and "It is done."
Daniel 12:1, 2 = After chapter 11's description of the kingdoms of Persia, and 12:1's "a time of trouble, such as never was..." -- all describing His return after the trouble. Very plain language talking of the same event.
The trouble comes first in EVERY account. Matt 24:29-31.
ReverendTFunk 7 months ago
@ReverendTFunk He is telling those who read the Bible BEFORE the Rapture, Remember, I will be coming as a thief in the night. He also says in Revelation Revelation 22:12-13 that he is coming soon & His rewards will be with Him. He says this AFTER Eternity is described in Revelation 21 & 22. There are NO rewards at His 2nd Coming, instead He slays those who try to kill Him. In Rev 17:14 His FAITHFUL Believers will be WITH Him when He Returns in Revelation 19:11-12. He repeats information.
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Everyone reads the Bible before the rapture.
Rev 22:12-13 Rewards is "misthos" meaning to pay literally or figuratively for work done good or bad. He is coming to execute judgement. This is not the Crowns.
Rev 17:14 You are again ASSUMING that He comes once to gather the Church and comes AGAIN for the last battle. There is only one more trip from heaven that the Lord is making. Nothing suggests He comes to gather the Church, goes away and comes back a 3rd time. NOTHING.
ReverendTFunk 7 months ago
@ReverendTFunk Before I respond, please answer this: You say everyone reads the Bible BEFORE the Rapture????
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Well, anyone who does read it must do so before the Rapture. I am not saying everyone will read it. But, everyone who does will have to do so before the Rapture. The Rapture and last battle are the last 2 events of this age.
ReverendTFunk 7 months ago
@ReverendTFunk #1 Do you know about the Judgment Seat of Christ? 2Corinthians 5:10; 1Corinthians 3:12-15. That is the ONLY time Rewards are given to Christians. At the Rapture, all the dead Believers (including Old Testament Saints) & we who are alive (living FAITHFULLY for the Lord) go to the Judgment Seat of Christ. One of the Rewards are CROWNS: 1Peter 5:4; James 1:12; 2Timothy 2:5; 2Timothy 4:8. The 24 elders HAVE their Crowns. Rev. 4:1-4 The JSoC ALREADY took place....No More Crowns
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 In spite of your unwillingness to answer my questions, as I have done , I am going to let you move on to yet another topic. And, show that you are wrong.
Rev 4:1-11. The 24 elders give their crowns to the Him who sits on the throne. These are not crowns of reward, but symbols of the authority of the elders. And, even if they were, they would not prohibit any more crowns being given. Again, you add your own ideas.
JSoC = Rev 20:1-6 When does that happen? Read verse 4 CAREFULLY
ReverendTFunk 7 months ago
@ReverendTFunk 12 of the elders are the Disciples. Matthew 19:28 & 12 Representatives of Israel. They take the Crowns OFF of THEIR heads, a lay them at the feet of Jesus, just as we ALL will. The people in Revelation 6 - 19 NEVER meet Christ "in the air". They are NEVER Raptured. Christ sends out His Angels to "gather" those who are ALIVE (Mark 13:26-27), separates them "sheep & goats" Matthew 25:31-46; then "resurrects" the DEAD TS AFTER He comes back to Earth. Rev 20:4-6 OK, I'm done now.
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
@ReverendTFunk , This guy , "JesusHoldMyHand1" , is an absolute moron, and you are wasting your time discussing this issue with him. I am a missionary/Bible prophecy teacher, in ministry since 1963, and his Stupid and arrogant responses, has caused the "spirit of Slap" to come over me several times. He is an Idiot !!
sorens70601 4 months ago
@ReverendTFunk Another way of saying it is: Now Church, as you read this, REMEMBER, I come as a thief in the night to take you Home & you will not be involved in all this disaster. You'll be WITH me, now don't forget..............Apostosy: People leaving the Faith, giving in to seducing doctrines & spirits, turning away from sound doctine, false teachers & preachers, following other people instead of Jesus Christ......
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 "& you will not be involved in all this disaster"
This is a perfect example of your constant reading between the lines and adding scenarios that are PLAINLY NOT THERE.
In Matthew 24, when is the ONLY mention of a rapture?
Mark 13? The ONLY TIME it is mentioned?
Reading every account of the end, whether it be Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 or Daniel 12, there is ALWAYS a warning about the tribulation. In Luke 21:28 He says "lift up your heads..." AFTER the trib.
ReverendTFunk 7 months ago
@ReverendTFunk #2 Do you know when people are "elect" or chosen? 1Peter 1:1-2; Ephesians 1:4-5 & Ephesians 1:11 That means in every generation from every century from Creation to now, Jesus knew who was (is) going to accept Him. Many of those people will be left behind when the Rapture happens, they WILL repent during the Great Tribulation, others have NOT accepted Christ yet, but WILL during the Great Tribulation, thus fulfilling their "election". FAITHFUL followers of Christ. Rev 17:14
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 And, of course, you move on to another topic without answering.
The Greek word "eklektos" is translated as chosen AND elect.
Some who have accepted Christ are left behind? Oh, really? Where do you get that?
The scenario you describe has NO scriptural foundation. You have a habit of pulling a scripture at random and imagining a story completely NOT in the context of the verses you pick.
And, you still have told me where a rapture occurs prior to Matt 24:31. And, you can't.
ReverendTFunk 7 months ago
@ReverendTFunk I don't know any answers to any of your questions. Sorry
JesusHoldMyHand1 7 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Chuck is right. we don't have to endure for salvation as some believes Ephesians 2:7-10, That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches fo his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
TheGrace4all 11 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 amen!
39RaptureReady 1 month ago
@39RaptureReady Thank you, My Dear Friend. You don't know how much your kind word has meant to me, especially tonight. There's a lot of hateful people out there. They don't read the Bible, just listen to false videos, teachers & preachers. Hearts & heads made of stone & cement. The Holy Spirit sure has His work cut out for Him. No wonder Christ said there's going to be MORE in Hell than Heaven. He and all the Apostles before us had to talk to these people face-to-face. OUCH!
JesusHoldMyHand1 1 month ago
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Rapture lies, here's the truth. II Thess. Chap.1&2:You believers are a symbol of suffering persecution and tribulation..its only right for God to repay “tribulation” to those that trouble you, so rest in peace with those of us that have passed on, when Jesus comes with mighty angels to repay the disobedient he will glorify his saints, but we beg you by his coming and our gathering together unto him, don't believe that day comes until that man of sin be revealed and is destroy at Christ coming.
JoBernard12oxen 1 year ago
2 Timothy 4:8 (King James Version) Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Do you think this means taht people who don't believe in the rapture (but are saved) won't get a crown of righteousness?
grunionlips 1 year ago
Actually, the Bible says "Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible." 1 Corinthians 15:51-52. It also says "it is appointed unto man ONCE to die." But the Holy Spirit through Paul says "we (believers) died WITH HIM" fulfilling that. Very interesting, but God's Word does not contradict itself.
pleonrhyme 1 year ago
I've seen some of Missler's other videos on here and generally I've found him to be right on, but I gotta say, I'm not so thrilled with his NT references proving the "doctrine of immanency" here... Nevertheless I eagerly wait for the return of Messiah. May all who trust in Him be counted worthy to escape what is coming on the world and stand before the Son.
iHymn 1 year ago
@iHymn AMEN!!!!
grunionlips 1 year ago
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One MAJOR ERROR amongst many christians is this, the idea that Jesus Chrsit is going to "Rapture the church. He is going to gather his elect, his chossen ones. The Gospel of LUKE tells us this... [34] I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. [35] Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."
HedeenJeff 1 year ago
of the 7 scriptures he listed as scripture teaching that Christ could come at ANY moment, NONE of them teach that there will not be signs preceding as Christ, Paul, and John said there would.
Will you believe Christ, Paul, and John, or will you believe Chuck Missler?
spincold 1 year ago
@spincold lol they didnt say that Jesus did on the Mount of Olives .
Iraqveterankill4real 1 year ago
@spincold sad, isn't it... but don't let that keep you from some of Chuck's other teaching. He may be wrong about the Rapture, but I've found him to be quite astute in other areas. Blessings to you brother in Christ Jesus.
iHymn 1 year ago
Rom11:25After the fullness of the Gentiles Isa26:19;21. Saints removed until God has dealt with Israel Tribulation Rev4God puts pressure on Israel. Hos5:15 I will go & return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, & seek my face: in their affliction they will SEEK me earnestly. Then comes back with saints! Cant return with us! & have us enter into chambers & shut thy doors: hide thyself for a little moment, until the indignation be over past & wait for a while at the same time!
MrWakeview 2 years ago
If you study - types in scripture & for shadowing of things to come. You gain insight into the truth! When the rapture happens - the bride & groom (Jesus) go to the wedding feast together. How long did the Jews celebrate a wedding? 1 week 7 days, the groom will arrive any time of day or night after preparing the place for the bride! Then the feast for seven days, as will the bride of Christ go to the Grooms feast & place he has prepared. Hosea 5:15 I will go & return John 14:1-3 Let not your
MrWakeview 2 years ago
alright. and the rapture happens after the rapture.
john 14:1-3 do not indicate a pre trib event
vj5467 2 years ago
Cut & paste this link to Khouse, audio & writen notes on
The Harpazo or The Rapture, both mean (the same thing Greek & Latin) some sound study with a bit of help
2Co 4:1 Therefore, since we have this ministry through the mercy shown to us..
Instead, we have renounced secret & shameful ways. We do not use trickery or pervert God's word. By clear statements of the truth we commend ourselves to everyone's conscience before God.
So if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are dying
MrWakeview 2 years ago
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vj5467 2 years ago
i know what the rapture means. i never denied that the rapture exsists
vj5467 2 years ago
the rapture is a post tribulational event
vj5467 2 years ago
@vj5467 Thy dead men shall live together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake & sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs & the earth shall cast out the dead. Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers & shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be over past. For behold the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood Isaiah 26:19;21
MrWakeview 2 years ago
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MrWakeview 2 years ago
that verse is speaking about the day of the lord. i dont disagree with this verse at all.
vj5467 2 years ago
@vj5467 the second part is inconsistent with post tribe, the context if you check the original text & compare with other text indicates the wait for a little "while" is more consistent with the proposed seven year wait while the indignation of the Lord is measured out!
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers & shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be over past.
MrWakeview 2 years ago
@MrWakeview actually if you read prior to verse 19 you will see that this verse is speaking about the day of the lord. that is when we are protected. his wrath will be released after the tribulation.
vj5467 2 years ago
thanks man you are also doing a good job defending the pre trib rapture. keep it up.
bibleknight 2 years ago
im sorry, i never recieved an answer from you.
tell me, where does the bible say that the trib is god's wrath
dont try to push it unto someone else
vj5467 2 years ago
lol please you can't defend your doctrine and i am not pushing anything on anyone just giving my pre trib brother some some support because he is doing a good job handling you.
bibleknight 2 years ago
not really lol.
answer my question please.
vj5467 2 years ago
vj5467 after making that comment about the tribulation not being God's wrath you are right now in my books a waste of time you don't know your scripture.
bibleknight 2 years ago
again, you waste your time explaining why you wont answer my question.
you keep explaining yourself and end up using more words explaining than just showing me a verse so i can pick up my bible and read it for myself lol.
thats all im asking for
vj5467 2 years ago
lol as i said that i can show verses that the {tribulation} is the wrath of God you on the other hand have ot proven that it is not so until you show me you will not get an answer from me.
bibleknight 2 years ago
i havent because i asked you the question FIRST.
dont be stupid now. you know how a conversation works. someone asks a question, then the pother person answers. you dont ask a question just to answer it yourself lol. lets learn some basics to life and communication please.
now again, show me where it says that the trib is god's wrath. show me so i can show you my response
vj5467 2 years ago
man you think that it is going to be that easy to get this answer from me after you have made that bold statement.
bibleknight 2 years ago
of course. its not a surprise that you wouldnt answer my question. its not about my bold statement. its that you dont have an answer.
vj5467 2 years ago
try harder not good enough, not going to be that easy to get this answer from me this time around lol.
bibleknight 2 years ago
this time around? i was never able to get anything but opinions from you. dont act now like its just this time now.
that fact is that you dont know the answer to my question. you just dont want to admit it. thats why you keep making excuse and wasting your time acting all proud(which god hates) and whatnot so you can feel and look like you know something when you dont. so its okay. i understand that you dont know the answer. if you did you wouldnt have wasted your time.
i'll be waiting
vj5467 2 years ago
pride my friend lol i don't think so i am laughing at your reasoning and answers you are giving me its sooooo ridiculous you ask why i won'[t give you any response because i think that you don't deserve any after what you have said.
bibleknight 2 years ago
@biblekn
2Pe 3:5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago & the earth was formed out of water & through water by the word of GOD & that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water & perished.
But by the same word the heavens & earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment & destruction of the ungodly. Who is the Word of God?Rev19:13
they look but don't see & they listen but don't hear or understand
MrWakeview 2 years ago
true very true.
bibleknight 2 years ago