Tony Cecchine's American Catch Wrestling: Hip heist escape

[bigflamer]

teddybears54: don't you think training jiu-jitsu and incorporating catch techniques into your game would be a good thing?

[kingshahine]

This guy's a tool. And a shit teacher. you can tell the tools right off the bat. Hes being excessively rough with the guy hes demonstrating on, hes done this in all his videos.

he didnt need to half nelson the guy after he showed the hip heist. One move at a time. hes a tool

[CarNikolaj]

He just loves his art lol.

[jeremyemilio]

As a wrestler who's grappled with jiu jitsu players, I think it's just a different culture. When you drill a move with jiu jitsu players, they get annoyed if you resist, because they're working on positioning and locking; when you drill with wrestlers they get annoyed if you don't resist because they're working on breaking down a week side. Wrestling assumes constant pressure, even in drills. Jiu jitsu assumes rolling with an opponent's power and using it against him, even in live action.

[kingshahine]

ive done both and i would agree with that assessment.

when your drilling jiujitsu moves you have to learn them without resistance first, then you have a slight resistence. then you go full resistance. But the first part is crucial

[irondragonjkd]

@jeremyemilio -- excellent observation and very true. Because of this truth, I believe a player needs to focus more on principles and not techniques. There's a huge difference between a principle and a technique. Depending a a fighters unique attributes he/she should focus on embracing principles from any art that will improve their game.

[1Jedthered]

How is he a shit teacher?

My high school wrestling coaches demonstrated moves chained off of others the same way Tony C does in this video. Mind you these were the coaches that taught me techniques that I actually used. This style of teaching helps the student apply technique to different scenarios. For example, I liked to do a front headlock from an underhook to snaking my opponent on his back.

I was taught neither of the 2 techniques from the positions I used. I applied the principles.

[cecchinecatch]

You can tell him that yourself. He's in Chicago.

[wrestler50000]

bigflamer

I agree with you. Although Catch has been my biggest influence, and use many of its techniques while sparring, I although took the time and studied bjj. The reason is because although I am a strong guy for my size, I am not that tall, and some guys I wrestler can use their height advantage to gain top position. Although I learned many techniqes in the bottom position, and also focus on the Guard, half Guard... including rubber guard, etc.

In the end, its grappling.

[bigflamer]

Seriously, this is good stuff! I wonder why we don't see more catch techniques in MMA?

[TyVoltage88]

we do... watch Kazushi Sakuraba. An awesome fighter and a catch wrestler. They dont call him "The Gracie Hunter" for nothing...

[masterblastertkd]

I think it's because catch wrestling is not commercial at all. You see Gracie JJ in ufc, and all of a sudden there's bjj schools everywhere... catch wrestling has been around much longer, but it's never been big money, it's just not the culture of the sport. Guys like Sakuraba are bringing it back though, and i think it will get popular again. It was almost lost, but it's picking up again.

[teddybears54]

This is why i dont train jiu jitsu. Thanks Tony!!!