"...I think it's very SIMPLE why he di-why he didn't come himself.. He did come himself, and that's one of the MYSTERIES of the trinity..." ... He simply didn't know.
becuzzz it's wrong God dead for we all go 2 heaven come on :\ i ask my self who's the God here !!??think abt it all religions it's abt faith only without proof's in islam we have both thats why islam is fastest religion in the world *_^
LMAO THE GUY IN THE SUIT IS REALLY CRAZY ADN HE REALLY GOT OWNED. HE KNOWS THAT WHAT HE SAYIN DOESN'T MAKE SENCE AND HE'S STILL DENYING THE TRUTH. WHAT A LOW LIFE
shabir ally is funny haha first he lets them talk then notice how he looks at them while they are preaching (he looks at them like a proffesor who investigates behaviour of babboons ) then making some notes about it hahaha well thats only possible because the quran of course is the true word of Allah and not manmade .
God created men, knowing that they would sin. Then He would Himself die for the sake of men? This sounds to be like a planned suicide, not to forget that God is eternal, some of the Christians speak of Him as "the Living God". Of course I do agree with those Christians on that, but how can a Living God die and be resurrected. Who resurrected Him? If He died?
Blasphemy I would say, God isn't able to die nor has He born. As if He would do one of these things, He would no longer be God. Peace.
nice one shabir ally....christians the more you prove yourself the more stupid and funny u sound....in addition to changing the christian debator...look at the muslim we have clear evidence....the problem is if it is not clear to understand than it is not the word of god. Simple as that....because human made up the story thats why humans can find out the truth...unlike the holy quran...
Thomas Aquinas- who was perhaps the greatest christian theologian and philosopher in the history of the church- writes in the Summa that the death of Jesus on the cross was not necessary to achieve our salvation. God, says Aquinas, is omnipotent, so of course he could just forgive us our sins if he so chose (as the father does in the parable of the prodigal son). However, Aquinas argues that even though it was not necessary, this was nevertheless the method he chose. Credible?
its better not to quote from the quran here because this man definitly doesnt respect ones belief i dont even know why they let him debate i mean he explained why a father would not have let his child die and why there is no need for sacrifice to grand forgivenes
Ally makes the correct point that a father would give his life for his son. The idea of a blood (the life is in the blood - Lev) sacrifice is not an original idea from the apostle Paul. God unites these ideas in answer to the great atrocity of the consequence of sin which is the separation of humans from a Holy and Perfect God.
@91zombiekid91 That's really awesome brother. I wonder how it feels to see your sheikh debating on christian television... I would be like ... he went THIS far?? Just kidding. But seriously, this shows how confident Muslims should be about their deen.
@ThePinkLei It's everywhere in the world dude, even on the Internet with Islamic propaganda videos on youtube ...And there are no problems for me to leave you and your religion alone, but you guys have a problem with our life style and you want to destroy it by converting every non-muslims in the world.
@CripNYC Non muslims are coming to Islam because it is the TRUTH. No one has forced them to come to Islam but they left your conjecture religion on their own FREE WILL. And we do not have a problem with your "life style" but it is you xtians who have a problem with our way of life. xtians try desperately to prove Islam wrong and each time xtians fail.you and all of your xtian brethrens are paranoid b/c the bigots on your medias tell you Muslims are out to get you.
@ThePinkLei They come to Islam because they are like sheep, I don't try to prove that Islam is right or wrong, I just can't stand anymore seeing propaganda on the Internet, on the street, and everywhere I go !
Alright just take an exemple : Do you think it is normal that in France muslims pray illegally in the street every week and have they own security guards which don't let people cross the sreet ?
And after that you wanna tell me that we got a problem with you ?
@CripNYC They are not sheep, the sheeps are the ones who claim God had to murder an innocent man inorder for the xtians to commit every sin one can imagin. A religion which teaches even after God of the bible murdered jesus tht you still have to repent and that innocent babies are born with sin. And as far as Muslims in France if the Govt allows them and security guards are kind and respectful enough to protect them while they pray. Than you have no reason to complain b/c you are not the govt.
@ThePinkLei That's the problem, the law doesn't allow this kind of thing but the Gvt do not react because they are cock suckers, but you'll see one day ... people like me will fight to protect our country and it's future ! And trust me, just watch the videos about that and you'll see that security guards aren't respectful at all.
@CripNYC You have too much hate in your heart, and the problem with people like you is that even if the muslims were to go away, you will find another innocent person to hate and another and another. Until there is no one else to hate and than you begin to hate your own kind.
@ThePinkLei You don't know me, you can't say these kind of things. I really have no hate, I just wanna protect my country from something we don't want, that's all man. By the way I don't have a problem with you, I just want you to leave me alone. Thank you.
@CripNYC What do you mean, let us alone, I'm muslim and American and I have every right to be. In America there is freedom of religion, if you don't like it leave, please. You are the problem, not muslims, and yes, you are hateful...you just pretend not to be.
@mia919100 They know it. Their people have tried and tried again 1400 years to destroy Islam just like they did to their own religions and Alhamdulilah they have not succeeded and they will never succeed. Ameen to your dua.
ALLAHHUAKBAR. brother Shabir you did it again. mashallah may allah preserve you and all those muslims brothers and sisters doing dawa for the sake of Allah. may we all be granted jannah with all the beautiful prophets. ameen
as a christian i think that shabir won this one but i think him saying that "GOD died" is sort of weird because he leaves out what happened on that 3rd day O_o
@Falcondick69 there are no historical evidences that Jesus rose from the dead, please feel free to watch shabir's debate with Mike Licona titled : Did Jesus rise from the dead " , he also had a debate with William lane Craig on the same topic
@MCDebate in all honesty i wouldn't expect there to be any, in part i have considered converting to being a muslim although there are a few things holding me back from that.
Jay Smith is a moron. He thinks God died on the cross and he has no problem with that. Wow!!
Jay, your god died and you are without god (not us). Stop talking about your god since he is dead. Go take this argument to a 5th grader and see what he or she says.
Jay Smith is a fool. His arguments are silly and childish. This bigot is a big liar.
Why does he debate? I never heard this scumbag ever won any debate.
One thing is true: he is a consistent loser.
Hey Jay: Your fellow church priests are raping and molesting kids every day. What do you say? Where the priests get their rape inspiration from? They get it from Bible. Your bible has details of 10 types of INCEST you can do with you mother, sister and your dad (if u r gay)
Jay Smith is a fool. His arguments are silly and childish. This bigot is a big liar.
Why does he debate? I never heard this scumbag ever won any debate.
One thing is true: he is a consistent loser.
Hey Jay: Your fellow church priests are raping and molesting kids every day. What do you say? Where the priests get their rape inspiration from? They get it from Bible. Your bible has details of 10 types of INCEST you can do with you mother, sister and your dad (if u r gay)
@musa7290 you need to be careful what you say.. the quran teaches you cannot disrespect the religions of the "people of the book" thats christians and jews. and since in the bible jesus does not claim to be God and since we Muslims agree with all of the 10 commandments in the bible, you should not be disrespecting it in that way. and the other reason is you could be offending Christians.
@BannedMann bannedman? if some do believe in the many manmade books in christianity 4 which contradict and come to this comclusion and also no zakaat and salaat and they say jesus (puh) is son of Allah then are you really concerned about them? this shabir ali loves christians thats why he is correcting them he gives dawah is an important task and quran prooves itself so if you love another share the present which is islam and only by the Grace of Allah may we be granted with djanah
@azadam1000 “Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching and argue with them in a way that is better" Holy Quran 16:125
I am all for dawah, but there are far better ways of preaching Islam and arguing against modern Christian beliefs than to Insult them/ their scripture/ judge them by the actions of a few etc. If we preach by attacking then that makes us no better than the few Christians that insult our beloved prophet/ our scripture and call us terrorists...
God is beyond comprehension, Shabir seems to have a pretty good comprehension of allah, no matter how much a Christian theologian does his homework he cannot fully understand the one true God. Christianity is for those who are willing to admit they cannot comprehend and believe anyway, its called FAITH
@Forrestchief it is required by islam to understand everything. faith in islam is convection after confirmation. christianity is troubling because there are parts that make absolutely no sense. interestingly enough, the quran points out these parts and clarifies not to believe them. example: Say, [O Muhammad], "If the Most Merciful had a son, then I would be the first of [his] worshippers."Exalted is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Lord of the Throne, above what they describe.
@Forrestchief it is required by islam to understand everything. faith in islam is convection after confirmation. christianity is troubling because there are parts that make absolutely no sense. interestingly enough, the quran points out these parts and clarifies not to believe them. example: Say, [O Muhammad], "If the Most Merciful had a son, then I would be the first of [his] worshippers."Exalted is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Lord of the Throne, above what they describe.
I think that perhaps I'm retarded for being a Christian in your view. What I see is that your representation of Islam brings out your condesendence and a feeling of superiority without love even though you also believe in God. God is love. Love doesn't boast or condemn.
You have to be retarded to be a Christian, only morons can belief that an innocent man be punished for someone sins, and they called it Justices, if God is Just.
Christianity imposed on people of the world base on Wars, Deceit, psychological manipulation, enslavement, false propaganda, Economic strangulation, Exploitation and Fake healers.
95% of the peoples of the world want to be told what to do, and how to behave.
Let alone the fact that there is little Biblical basis for the doctrine of the Trinity. It was an idea established by the Nicene and Constantinopolitan creeds to explain away the Arian heresy. I personally find it hilarious that so many modern Christians cling so dearly to something like the Trinity, holding it as absolutely vital to their faith, when in reality it was just a concept invented by people to achieve unity in the religion. Some people need to wake up.
@JosiahPlummer1988 They don't know that it was in fact a Pagan who believed that God came down to earth in the form of a human being that ultimately decided the outcome of their faith. A man that was a pagan and died a pagan decided that the God of Christians should be described as a trinity...But why bother with the facts, their belief is more important than the evidence.
@Salahuddin07 1 + 1+ 1 = 1 no one can explain : ) I like the point he made in the end,if God runs the universe and God died for 3 days, then who was sustaining the universe for 3 days ? Peace.
Christians view Jesus as divine, they will deny saying he is a God, but that can't be true because they believe only praying through him will God listen. I always picture Jesus sitting at a desk answering phones and writing down prayers to give to God as memos, because that's pretty much how thier belief system is set up. They are undercover polytheists because they pray to two Gods. This is why I stopped being Christian haha. I wish my library owned a Qur'an so I could read one!
@0ptimusbibIe ya i have no idea where or what the horizontal and vertical consequences mean... are there circles consequences to? diagonal?. why not? lol
It's so sad how modern-day Christians don't know their own religion. The fact is, if Jesus were to return today, he would not recognize "Christians" as people who follow in his original teachings.
Paul writtings was confirmed by apostle Peter, this is not a "Paul doctrine" is a CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE: 2Pet 3:5Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His **letters*** contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
anybody read Terry Goodkinds' series "The Sword of Truth". very similar premise, even if the topic here wasnt about free will to ones own decisions and life
@dunkindeeznutz oh i agree, i think its a violation of the commandment, def a graven image i dont believe there should be pictures of Jesus...sorry i misunderstood what you were saying earlier
not so sure about the ceaser thing but it sounds right....
@briancostello1980 I forgive your mistake and except your apology.I dont claim to be a expert on the subject but people need to stop fighting over religion and learn to understand it more.PEACE
Through logic and reasoning.Shabir absolutely he's spot on surely one of the single nastiest ideas ever to occur to a human mind (paul's,of course) we never wondered why god, if he wanted to forgive our sins, didn't just forgive us.why did he have to scapegoat himself first?
@briancostello1980 the prior verses are speaking of Moses and establishing the laws of the Jews. The statement is specific to those laws and not general.
@Machher786 , sorry but i disagree with you the whole point of the book of hebrews is that there is no need for the animal sacrifices anymore because Christ was not only our sacrafice but also it goes onto say that he is the final priest. secondly hardly no one believes paul wrote hebrews because it is written in classical greek, no kionie greek. Its more likely that luke wrote hebrews than paul.
the cross is supposed to be offensive, the bible promises it.
@1MoreMuslim . as a christian the best answer i can give to you is the council Chalcedon, it speaks directly to the two natures of Jesus, the christian answer is the human nature of Jesus died not his deity, that is the orthodox teaching of christians and has been the standard answer for almost 1600 years now
@briancostello1980 Nobody says that Deity dies, attributes do not die. We are discussing whether or not Jesus as a person, died. If God attributes are communicated to the person of Jesus, and if Jesus died, therefore Jesus , being God, died. furthermore, not all Christians accept Chalcedon. Christians throughout history had to meet in council to define their belief , why ? because the scripture is not clear enough. Everytime a Christian tries to define Jesus, he creates a heresy.
@1MoreMuslim sorry i didnt see this earlier or i would have responded. i think by what you said you mis understand, Chalcedon is historic christianity, to reject chalceon is hearasy, if they reject it they reject historic christianity. henceforth, if Chalcedon is true than the humanity of Christ died not the diety, proof of this is that he rose from the dead, and had a glorfied body
@briancostello1980 Historic Christianity is nonsense. The history of Christianity is full of diversions and disagreement. right after the council of chalcedon, there was a major schism. Each side will say the other is heresy, who to believe?
@briancostello1980 2 Natures must share 1 being and hence Jesus is therefore not 100% god, nor is he 100% man, but half of both. Meaning that Jesus was 50% god and 50% man and therefore by definition not God.
@Machher786 sorry i didnt see this earlier, not really use to posting on youtube, i just don accept you definition of 50%. I will go by what christianity has historiclly taught
@briancostello1980 I am not saying that 50% is the correct ratio. But the philosophical implications are ignored by Christians. 1 Being can not be 200% of itself, It can be only partially God and partially Human, the 2 natures must equal 100%. Therefore Jesus can not be fully God (100%) and fully human (100%) or 200% in one being.
@Machher786 hebrews is not signed by paul, his name is nowhere in that epistle, i may have overlooked it if you know where it is i would appericate you showing me and i will gladly recant what i have said, there are early church fathers that believed paul wrote it, but thats the best i have been able to find. Also i would like to share this verse with you, but ill put it in a box below cause it probably wont allow me to paste it all, it is written by moses and speaks of blood making attonment
@briancostello1980 The signature I was referring to is the saluation at the end of Hebrews "Grace be to you all" (depending on the version you are reading). This salutation is considered by many bible scholars as the signature of paul and hence state that although this may not be written first hand by paul, it is likely that it was a sermon of his transcribed.
@briancostello1980 Considering that the first 5 books contain a 3rd person narrative of moses' death and burial - therefore I find it tough to accept that Moses even spoke those words.
@Machher786 by that logic its hard to believe moses wrote anything you dont agree with, i could use that same train of thought and say that moses ONLY wrote the passages that talk about attonement, i just dont find that to be a valid refutation. also you mentioned the the ending of hebrews, i would urge you to look at the style of greek that hebrews was written in and then compare it to the epistles that paul wote in his name, its completly difrrent and is a much stronger argument.
@briancostello1980 I think that our conclusion does not fit. I am not excluding these passages due to content, I am excluding them due to the strong doubt that any of the pentateuch was originally written by Moses. However I still believe that I provided logical explanation that shows human sacrifice to atone for the sins of others is something totally foreign to old testament as well as the 4 books.
@Machher786 its not totally foreign to the other books, what does God do when adam sin? he kills animals and covers them with em. and seeing how our relationship with Christ is one of Covenant, what does God do with abrahm in Genesis, kills another animal. The reason the book of leviticus goes in to detail unlike the other 5 books is because its about the covenant workings, its a book of regulations . its brok into 2 sections chp1-16 priestly code 17-26 the holiness code.
i would also like to note a couple other things concearning this book.
Jesus referred to the teachings of Leviticus. In Matthew 5:43-48 His teaching that we should be perfect, even as the Father is perfect, on the command of Leviticus 19:2, showing that the vengeance which characterizes men is not consistent with the teaching of Leviticus, which instructs us that we must “love our neighbor as ourselves” (Lev. 19:18)
Peter chapter one Peter based his argument for the Christian’s personal holiness on the commandment found in Leviticus (11:44-45; 19:2; 20:7). In the second chapter of this same epistle Peter taught that the church, the body of Christ, is a priestly nation. Thus the priestly regulations of Leviticus must have relevance to the priestly people, the church.
one could also argue that mark 9 is a refrence to Leviticus also. ( i tried not to use paul, but he also uses this book in his writtings)
@Machher786 one more to add both john 1:29 Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world and mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many, speak of Jesus death for sin and a ransom. which is consistant with the animal scarifice in leviticus
@briancostello1980 hmm interesting ... perhaps I have given the 4 books an identity which doesnt exist, I suppose as a Muslim I have even less faith in what the Christians claim to be their book.
@Machher786 there is nothing new to what im saying. The core message of Christianity, the gospel historically, is that men are born in sin, and have always needed forgiveness of sin thu faith in the Messiah. The NT reveals that messiah as Jesus, and shows that he had to die, take the wrath of sinners. Since we break Gods law, he requires justice, he poured his wrath out on the Son, our justice, so those who recieve him by faith are forgiven. 1Cor15:1-4 paul gives a presentation of the Gospel
@briancostello1980 I totally disagree. Paul is a person who innovated in the religion of Jesus, he does not have authority to change the creed or even comment about the religion.
The concept of original sin and taking the burden for someone else is totally illogical and is not easily discernible from the bible, only through paul's writings and through the 4 books who also have unknown authorship is this possible
Why do you base your religion on a book whose authorship is even questionable?
@Machher786 God wrote the bible, thu men. Christian donot question its authorship. i demonstarted that alot of people believed Christ was the substitue for sin, if you have anyother questions regarding doctrine in the bible i can answer them. i would like to know what you think paul made up tho?
Leviticus 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life.
@briancostello1980 You are taking verses which are are specific to showing the laws and virtues concerning animal sacrifice and applying them to any and all sacrifices. Animal sacrifices may be one of the many ways to obtain forgiveness but it is not the only one. Therefore I am saying that the verses of the bible never state human sacrifice as a necessary component of atonement for sins.
When I debate with christians I feel like I'm talking to toddlers
fcbarca1031 4 days ago
Jay Smith is dumb
hoodzNglovez 5 days ago
wait what sin??? i didnt do anything!lol this sin thing dont make sense at all.may allah guide these people.
hodan34 6 days ago
"...I think it's very SIMPLE why he di-why he didn't come himself.. He did come himself, and that's one of the MYSTERIES of the trinity..." ... He simply didn't know.
itheis19 1 week ago
Shabir kicks every christian ass so bad, he rules on debates.
MultiManriquez 1 week ago 3
Shabir is the man
jumshid 2 weeks ago 4
@x1wolfskax1
I understand that, but I just found it funny how Jay Smith admitted that he's god died for 3 days. He has no problem with it.
dalmar004 1 month ago
Jay Smith's God is DEAD!
dalmar004 1 month ago
@dalmar004
becuzzz it's wrong God dead for we all go 2 heaven come on :\ i ask my self who's the God here !!??think abt it all religions it's abt faith only without proof's in islam we have both thats why islam is fastest religion in the world *_^
x1wolfksa1x 1 month ago
LMAO THE GUY IN THE SUIT IS REALLY CRAZY ADN HE REALLY GOT OWNED. HE KNOWS THAT WHAT HE SAYIN DOESN'T MAKE SENCE AND HE'S STILL DENYING THE TRUTH. WHAT A LOW LIFE
famous1779 1 month ago 5
shabir ally is funny haha first he lets them talk then notice how he looks at them while they are preaching (he looks at them like a proffesor who investigates behaviour of babboons ) then making some notes about it hahaha well thats only possible because the quran of course is the true word of Allah and not manmade .
azadam1000 1 month ago
2-0
1987CosaNostra1987 1 month ago
he is verry verry smart allahou akbar!!!
1987CosaNostra1987 1 month ago
Hahah
arabhawkk 1 month ago
shabir is so funny! "....who would run the world?" lol
good work ya akhi (o my brother)
tramexz 1 month ago
Can someone pls give me bro Shabir allys Website, he is MUJAHIDIN. Allahs soldier on earth...
julio14335 1 month ago
i love how everytime a muslim debates a christian on the bible and jesus etc. the muslim wins.
OppressTheOppressor 1 month ago 4
God created men, knowing that they would sin. Then He would Himself die for the sake of men? This sounds to be like a planned suicide, not to forget that God is eternal, some of the Christians speak of Him as "the Living God". Of course I do agree with those Christians on that, but how can a Living God die and be resurrected. Who resurrected Him? If He died?
Blasphemy I would say, God isn't able to die nor has He born. As if He would do one of these things, He would no longer be God. Peace.
ThePatientMuslim 1 month ago
the best video ever!
d1n13100 1 month ago 3
@d1n13100
Check this one, this one is funny as well :)
watch?v=kRaaoBbLu9c
UighurKnight 1 month ago
the end is so funny! hahahaha!
Nomiboy19 2 months ago 4
@Nomiboy19 I love the end and the way way shabir Ally says that and looks
azadam1000 1 month ago
Mashallah, may Allah show all Christians and others to the straight path to heaven of Islam.
MuslimPerspective786 2 months ago 4
Shabir Ally always owns ;) MashaAllah Allahu Akbar
TheMuslimConnection 2 months ago 2
I like this Shabir Ally character.
JosiahPlummer1988 2 months ago
lmfao!
Abz90L 2 months ago
God died? Astaghferullah he is so lost. Shabbir Is like lightning.
eaMusIk2008 2 months ago
Hahaha that muslim kicks the christians ass i bet his dad felt that boot
QASSAQQAS 2 months ago
Christian is myth that jesus dead
AHMEDBULAXUBEY 2 months ago
Damn ide be ashamed if I was Jay lol
jumshid 2 months ago 3
i like that Shabir Ally keeps his cool
GlobalDuty 2 months ago 2
nice one shabir ally....christians the more you prove yourself the more stupid and funny u sound....in addition to changing the christian debator...look at the muslim we have clear evidence....the problem is if it is not clear to understand than it is not the word of god. Simple as that....because human made up the story thats why humans can find out the truth...unlike the holy quran...
hasyimoto 2 months ago
OWNED
23Afg 2 months ago 3
Thomas Aquinas- who was perhaps the greatest christian theologian and philosopher in the history of the church- writes in the Summa that the death of Jesus on the cross was not necessary to achieve our salvation. God, says Aquinas, is omnipotent, so of course he could just forgive us our sins if he so chose (as the father does in the parable of the prodigal son). However, Aquinas argues that even though it was not necessary, this was nevertheless the method he chose. Credible?
bayreuth79 2 months ago
@bayreuth79 He addresses that in the video. It still doesn't solve the problem.
DeaththeBlade 2 months ago
its better not to quote from the quran here because this man definitly doesnt respect ones belief i dont even know why they let him debate i mean he explained why a father would not have let his child die and why there is no need for sacrifice to grand forgivenes
turkmuslim4ever 2 months ago
POWNAGE!
imwatchuvideo 2 months ago
if I die , I will be shield from this world.
if God dies, he should be shield from this world too, or at least for a few moments during the dying process.
Thant's mean, for a few moments you can do whatever you want without consequences !!
the magic hour !!
DonCorleoneQ8 3 months ago
Chrisrianity is so funny, haha. It fails all the time."God died" haha, who runs the world then?
AfghanSultan 3 months ago
Ally makes the correct point that a father would give his life for his son. The idea of a blood (the life is in the blood - Lev) sacrifice is not an original idea from the apostle Paul. God unites these ideas in answer to the great atrocity of the consequence of sin which is the separation of humans from a Holy and Perfect God.
101truthseeker 3 months ago
Wow, who is this man? Shabir Ally huh? Another great speaker whom I'll look up for lectures and talks. Thanks for posting
loiofnature 3 months ago 41
@loiofnature He used to be my local imam in Toronto. lol
teeeshizzle 3 months ago
@loiofnature hey he was my arabic prof at university of Toronto where he teaches currently. pretty cool to see this i had no clue abt this
91zombiekid91 3 months ago
@91zombiekid91 That's really awesome brother. I wonder how it feels to see your sheikh debating on christian television... I would be like ... he went THIS far?? Just kidding. But seriously, this shows how confident Muslims should be about their deen.
loiofnature 2 months ago
Christianity is man made thats why it sucks and illogical
syazwankhan 3 months ago
Respect for Shabir Ally, this guy knows what hes talking about
jumshid 3 months ago
Another Islam propaganda, let us alone please.
CripNYC 3 months ago
@CripNYC where is the propoganda in Islam? and no, muslims will not leave you alone until you leave us alone and our religion.
ThePinkLei 3 months ago
@ThePinkLei It's everywhere in the world dude, even on the Internet with Islamic propaganda videos on youtube ...And there are no problems for me to leave you and your religion alone, but you guys have a problem with our life style and you want to destroy it by converting every non-muslims in the world.
CripNYC 3 months ago
@CripNYC Non muslims are coming to Islam because it is the TRUTH. No one has forced them to come to Islam but they left your conjecture religion on their own FREE WILL. And we do not have a problem with your "life style" but it is you xtians who have a problem with our way of life. xtians try desperately to prove Islam wrong and each time xtians fail.you and all of your xtian brethrens are paranoid b/c the bigots on your medias tell you Muslims are out to get you.
ThePinkLei 3 months ago
@ThePinkLei They come to Islam because they are like sheep, I don't try to prove that Islam is right or wrong, I just can't stand anymore seeing propaganda on the Internet, on the street, and everywhere I go !
Alright just take an exemple : Do you think it is normal that in France muslims pray illegally in the street every week and have they own security guards which don't let people cross the sreet ?
And after that you wanna tell me that we got a problem with you ?
CripNYC 3 months ago
@CripNYC They are not sheep, the sheeps are the ones who claim God had to murder an innocent man inorder for the xtians to commit every sin one can imagin. A religion which teaches even after God of the bible murdered jesus tht you still have to repent and that innocent babies are born with sin. And as far as Muslims in France if the Govt allows them and security guards are kind and respectful enough to protect them while they pray. Than you have no reason to complain b/c you are not the govt.
ThePinkLei 3 months ago
@ThePinkLei That's the problem, the law doesn't allow this kind of thing but the Gvt do not react because they are cock suckers, but you'll see one day ... people like me will fight to protect our country and it's future ! And trust me, just watch the videos about that and you'll see that security guards aren't respectful at all.
CripNYC 3 months ago
@CripNYC You have too much hate in your heart, and the problem with people like you is that even if the muslims were to go away, you will find another innocent person to hate and another and another. Until there is no one else to hate and than you begin to hate your own kind.
ThePinkLei 3 months ago
@ThePinkLei You don't know me, you can't say these kind of things. I really have no hate, I just wanna protect my country from something we don't want, that's all man. By the way I don't have a problem with you, I just want you to leave me alone. Thank you.
CripNYC 3 months ago
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@CripNYC What do you mean, let us alone, I'm muslim and American and I have every right to be. In America there is freedom of religion, if you don't like it leave, please. You are the problem, not muslims, and yes, you are hateful...you just pretend not to be.
mia919100 3 months ago
@ThePinkLei Lol. Were not going anywhere, she should leave, she just hates that she can't put out the light of Islam. May Allah Guide us all.
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@mia919100 They know it. Their people have tried and tried again 1400 years to destroy Islam just like they did to their own religions and Alhamdulilah they have not succeeded and they will never succeed. Ameen to your dua.
ThePinkLei 3 months ago
@mia919100 allahu akbar
stanzre 3 months ago
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mia919100 3 months ago
alah dont need a child a wife a companian cause he is all powerful the world in his holy eyes is a small stone pety your self ass holes
TheNightman786 3 months ago
@Lehmanbrother123456 hey matey i just sent u a message answering your question because it was too large to fit in these little comment boxes. :)))))
aydaha 3 months ago
ALLAHHUAKBAR. brother Shabir you did it again. mashallah may allah preserve you and all those muslims brothers and sisters doing dawa for the sake of Allah. may we all be granted jannah with all the beautiful prophets. ameen
aydaha 3 months ago
Aha the christian idiot got owned.
tonylikehotgirl 4 months ago
Expressions like "get owned" can put Christians in defensive position
Would be great if you could rename
Thanks for the video
MrLaurenceBrown 4 months ago
as a christian i think that shabir won this one but i think him saying that "GOD died" is sort of weird because he leaves out what happened on that 3rd day O_o
Falcondick69 4 months ago
@Falcondick69 there are no historical evidences that Jesus rose from the dead, please feel free to watch shabir's debate with Mike Licona titled : Did Jesus rise from the dead " , he also had a debate with William lane Craig on the same topic
MCDebate 4 months ago
@MCDebate in all honesty i wouldn't expect there to be any, in part i have considered converting to being a muslim although there are a few things holding me back from that.
Falcondick69 4 months ago
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@Falcondick69 im glad to hear that, what things? im more than happy to talk to you
MrZift123 4 months ago
3 days later what did God do? He rose from the dead.. I think even preschoolers know this
frostedflakes1972 4 months ago
@frostedflakes1972 So you are saying that God almighty died on the cross. And why are you still a christian may I ask.
peaceisgood23 3 months ago
Jay is still preaching after this, Why? Your guess is as good as mine.
mia919100 4 months ago
in math
stanzre 4 months ago
this guy is so confused he interpret religion in language
stanzre 4 months ago
christianity is a dumbass religion. its not the teachings of christ. ITS TEACHING OF SATAN CALLED PAUL;
syazwankhan 4 months ago
Jay Smith is a moron. He thinks God died on the cross and he has no problem with that. Wow!!
Jay, your god died and you are without god (not us). Stop talking about your god since he is dead. Go take this argument to a 5th grader and see what he or she says.
Jay, you are a godless person. Get lost.
musa7290 4 months ago
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Jay Smith is a fool. His arguments are silly and childish. This bigot is a big liar.
Why does he debate? I never heard this scumbag ever won any debate.
One thing is true: he is a consistent loser.
Hey Jay: Your fellow church priests are raping and molesting kids every day. What do you say? Where the priests get their rape inspiration from? They get it from Bible. Your bible has details of 10 types of INCEST you can do with you mother, sister and your dad (if u r gay)
musa7290 4 months ago
Jay Smith is a fool. His arguments are silly and childish. This bigot is a big liar.
Why does he debate? I never heard this scumbag ever won any debate.
One thing is true: he is a consistent loser.
Hey Jay: Your fellow church priests are raping and molesting kids every day. What do you say? Where the priests get their rape inspiration from? They get it from Bible. Your bible has details of 10 types of INCEST you can do with you mother, sister and your dad (if u r gay)
musa7290 4 months ago
@musa7290 you need to be careful what you say.. the quran teaches you cannot disrespect the religions of the "people of the book" thats christians and jews. and since in the bible jesus does not claim to be God and since we Muslims agree with all of the 10 commandments in the bible, you should not be disrespecting it in that way. and the other reason is you could be offending Christians.
BannedMann 4 months ago
@BannedMann bannedman? if some do believe in the many manmade books in christianity 4 which contradict and come to this comclusion and also no zakaat and salaat and they say jesus (puh) is son of Allah then are you really concerned about them? this shabir ali loves christians thats why he is correcting them he gives dawah is an important task and quran prooves itself so if you love another share the present which is islam and only by the Grace of Allah may we be granted with djanah
azadam1000 1 month ago
@azadam1000 “Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching and argue with them in a way that is better" Holy Quran 16:125
I am all for dawah, but there are far better ways of preaching Islam and arguing against modern Christian beliefs than to Insult them/ their scripture/ judge them by the actions of a few etc. If we preach by attacking then that makes us no better than the few Christians that insult our beloved prophet/ our scripture and call us terrorists...
BannedMann 1 month ago
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Hahaha that guy got owned three times bij shabir. God died pahaha
God doesnt die, otherwise he would be human...
AfghanSultan 4 months ago 2
That is not Jay Smith!!!!!!!
GENIEDA1NONLY 4 months ago
Christian loco nonsense
mustang73648 5 months ago
God is beyond comprehension, Shabir seems to have a pretty good comprehension of allah, no matter how much a Christian theologian does his homework he cannot fully understand the one true God. Christianity is for those who are willing to admit they cannot comprehend and believe anyway, its called FAITH
Forrestchief 5 months ago
@Forrestchief it is required by islam to understand everything. faith in islam is convection after confirmation. christianity is troubling because there are parts that make absolutely no sense. interestingly enough, the quran points out these parts and clarifies not to believe them. example: Say, [O Muhammad], "If the Most Merciful had a son, then I would be the first of [his] worshippers."Exalted is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Lord of the Throne, above what they describe.
absba9 4 months ago
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@Forrestchief it is required by islam to understand everything. faith in islam is convection after confirmation. christianity is troubling because there are parts that make absolutely no sense. interestingly enough, the quran points out these parts and clarifies not to believe them. example: Say, [O Muhammad], "If the Most Merciful had a son, then I would be the first of [his] worshippers."Exalted is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Lord of the Throne, above what they describe.
absba9 4 months ago
God who killed his son is not lover God... God who forgive just forgive that is lover God
TheSayfullah114 5 months ago
I think that perhaps I'm retarded for being a Christian in your view. What I see is that your representation of Islam brings out your condesendence and a feeling of superiority without love even though you also believe in God. God is love. Love doesn't boast or condemn.
tructa82 5 months ago
You have to be retarded to be a Christian, only morons can belief that an innocent man be punished for someone sins, and they called it Justices, if God is Just.
Christianity imposed on people of the world base on Wars, Deceit, psychological manipulation, enslavement, false propaganda, Economic strangulation, Exploitation and Fake healers.
95% of the peoples of the world want to be told what to do, and how to behave.
BiblesOnLine 5 months ago
'god died on the cross' lol Epic Fail.... Join islam the true religion u ignorant fools...peace
sufzyyyy 5 months ago
The truth is infront of you the whole religion of chritianity contradicts itself
malook94 5 months ago
3:23 "thats one of the Mystery of the trinity"
In the Bible it says god is not the Author of cunfusion...so i dont get it
taajiir123 5 months ago
@taajiir123
Let alone the fact that there is little Biblical basis for the doctrine of the Trinity. It was an idea established by the Nicene and Constantinopolitan creeds to explain away the Arian heresy. I personally find it hilarious that so many modern Christians cling so dearly to something like the Trinity, holding it as absolutely vital to their faith, when in reality it was just a concept invented by people to achieve unity in the religion. Some people need to wake up.
JosiahPlummer1988 2 months ago
@JosiahPlummer1988 They don't know that it was in fact a Pagan who believed that God came down to earth in the form of a human being that ultimately decided the outcome of their faith. A man that was a pagan and died a pagan decided that the God of Christians should be described as a trinity...But why bother with the facts, their belief is more important than the evidence.
mia919100 2 months ago
This guy Jay smith thinks he is clever, but he just rants & raves like a lawyer,
he knows nothing, Long live Shabir ally!! he wipe the floor with this fool.
panjabiwarrior 5 months ago
subhanallah
8soccer4life8 6 months ago
where can i see the whole show?
swatiankhan1 6 months ago
@swatiankhan1 the debate is available on this channel, the title of the debate is " who is the true Jesus? "
MCDebate 6 months ago
@MCDebate thnx..
swatiankhan1 6 months ago
Christians can't even remember thier own bible quotes
zubairnetwork 6 months ago
Yes Sabir
mugalkings 8 months ago
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LearnToReadTheKuran 8 months ago 4
@LearnToReadTheKuran ........ Subscribe to me
IslamicBulletin 7 months ago
Wait wait wait... im not trying to be mean or anything but?? Jesus is god? did i hear that right?
then who is the son when jesus is god? that doesnt make sense?
Jesus is the son and jesus is god?
can someone explain
Salahuddin07 9 months ago
@Salahuddin07 1 + 1+ 1 = 1 no one can explain : ) I like the point he made in the end,if God runs the universe and God died for 3 days, then who was sustaining the universe for 3 days ? Peace.
0Idskool 8 months ago
@Salahuddin07
Christians view Jesus as divine, they will deny saying he is a God, but that can't be true because they believe only praying through him will God listen. I always picture Jesus sitting at a desk answering phones and writing down prayers to give to God as memos, because that's pretty much how thier belief system is set up. They are undercover polytheists because they pray to two Gods. This is why I stopped being Christian haha. I wish my library owned a Qur'an so I could read one!
TheKenTerry 8 months ago
@TheKenTerry go to quran.com
select all translations when reading
peace
shrit110 7 months ago
@TheKenTerry quranexpl orer .com
then you select quran and the surah you like, there you can get it an audio you can
listen and english interpretation at the same time.
welcome to islam.
zOmAlGaNg23 6 months ago
@TheKenTerry You can always go to your local Mosque or Islamic center and they will send you one.
DKB786 2 months ago
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LOL the best part is when smith start talking gibberish about vertical and horizontal consequences
0ptimusbibIe 9 months ago 7
@0ptimusbibIe ya i have no idea where or what the horizontal and vertical consequences mean... are there circles consequences to? diagonal?. why not? lol
Salahuddin07 9 months ago
Everyone should watch the youtube video Yusha Evans How the Bible led me to Islam
TheMrpalid 9 months ago
hahaha the muslin dude just cracks me up
yazir123 9 months ago
wallahi Islam is the most logic
Allahu akbar
IamMuhammad 9 months ago
It's so sad how modern-day Christians don't know their own religion. The fact is, if Jesus were to return today, he would not recognize "Christians" as people who follow in his original teachings.
AshManXP 9 months ago
Paul writtings was confirmed by apostle Peter, this is not a "Paul doctrine" is a CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE: 2Pet 3:5Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His **letters*** contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
lisheva1 9 months ago
@lisheva1 that is why many christian schorlars are not sure if 2nd Peter was really written by peter. Go and search for it.
SuperMaryam16 9 months ago
@lisheva1
Interesting that the closets person to Jesus (James) never even spoke of the sacrifice...
DawahFilms 9 months ago
anybody read Terry Goodkinds' series "The Sword of Truth". very similar premise, even if the topic here wasnt about free will to ones own decisions and life
HLR451 9 months ago
"I think it's very simple why He didn't come Himself, He did come Himself and that's one of the mysteries of the trinity" .....?
thedeenslist 9 months ago
THOU SHALT NOT WORSHIP FALSE IDOLS!!!
Saying Jesus is god makes him a false idol?NO
Worshiping Jesus on the cross is worshiping a false idol?NO
dunkindeeznutz 9 months ago
@dunkindeeznutz
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
his disciples thought he was God (2peter 1:2 hebrews 1:8, rm 9:5, titus 2:13)
futher more in mark 2:1-11 Jesus forgives someone sins and heals them, only God can do that
briancostello1980 9 months ago 10
@briancostello1980 but jesus on the cross is not the image of christ!
Is it not Cesare Borgia?
So is that not a false idol?
As a Roman Catholic i have always wondered why that is allowed .
dunkindeeznutz 9 months ago
@dunkindeeznutz oh i agree, i think its a violation of the commandment, def a graven image i dont believe there should be pictures of Jesus...sorry i misunderstood what you were saying earlier
not so sure about the ceaser thing but it sounds right....
briancostello1980 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 I forgive your mistake and except your apology.I dont claim to be a expert on the subject but people need to stop fighting over religion and learn to understand it more.PEACE
dunkindeeznutz 9 months ago
@dunkindeeznutz Cesare Boriga, as in the one from Assassins Creed Brotherhood? i can deffinately see what you mean by that comparison
HLR451 9 months ago
@HLR451 YES! Look it up!His father thought he was so beautiful that he had his image made as the image of christ.
Man has changed and corrupted christianity
dunkindeeznutz 9 months ago
You can watch the full video here: watch?v=cKQFT8Q-o4M
0779 9 months ago
we are all dead lol
Dillingerescplan 9 months ago
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Through logic and reasoning.Shabir absolutely he's spot on surely one of the single nastiest ideas ever to occur to a human mind (paul's,of course) we never wondered why god, if he wanted to forgive our sins, didn't just forgive us.why did he have to scapegoat himself first?
taano71 9 months ago
God Need Blood To forgive Human? Now That's Just Black Metal Yo, In Other Word ITS SATANIC!
Dodalalal91 9 months ago 2
@Dodalalal91 Lol, Jay Smith just got owned again....by you. :)
Frbi9 9 months ago
@Frbi9
Its True, why God Need Blood, and He SAID SO That JAY Guy, I mean come on! Blood, DIED? Its equal PAGAN and SATANIC!!
Dodalalal91 9 months ago
Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
Hebrews 9:22
briancostello1980 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 the prior verses are speaking of Moses and establishing the laws of the Jews. The statement is specific to those laws and not general.
Machher786 9 months ago
@Machher786 , sorry but i disagree with you the whole point of the book of hebrews is that there is no need for the animal sacrifices anymore because Christ was not only our sacrafice but also it goes onto say that he is the final priest. secondly hardly no one believes paul wrote hebrews because it is written in classical greek, no kionie greek. Its more likely that luke wrote hebrews than paul.
the cross is supposed to be offensive, the bible promises it.
briancostello1980 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 GOd is immortal means God does't die. period.
1MoreMuslim 9 months ago
@1MoreMuslim . as a christian the best answer i can give to you is the council Chalcedon, it speaks directly to the two natures of Jesus, the christian answer is the human nature of Jesus died not his deity, that is the orthodox teaching of christians and has been the standard answer for almost 1600 years now
briancostello1980 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 Nobody says that Deity dies, attributes do not die. We are discussing whether or not Jesus as a person, died. If God attributes are communicated to the person of Jesus, and if Jesus died, therefore Jesus , being God, died. furthermore, not all Christians accept Chalcedon. Christians throughout history had to meet in council to define their belief , why ? because the scripture is not clear enough. Everytime a Christian tries to define Jesus, he creates a heresy.
1MoreMuslim 9 months ago
@1MoreMuslim sorry i didnt see this earlier or i would have responded. i think by what you said you mis understand, Chalcedon is historic christianity, to reject chalceon is hearasy, if they reject it they reject historic christianity. henceforth, if Chalcedon is true than the humanity of Christ died not the diety, proof of this is that he rose from the dead, and had a glorfied body
briancostello1980 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 Are you a catholic?
1MoreMuslim 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 Historic Christianity is nonsense. The history of Christianity is full of diversions and disagreement. right after the council of chalcedon, there was a major schism. Each side will say the other is heresy, who to believe?
1MoreMuslim 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 Historic Christianity ??? What do you mean by this term , it's new to me. Nestorian Christianity is not part of history?
1MoreMuslim 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 2 Natures must share 1 being and hence Jesus is therefore not 100% god, nor is he 100% man, but half of both. Meaning that Jesus was 50% god and 50% man and therefore by definition not God.
Machher786 9 months ago
@Machher786 sorry i didnt see this earlier, i just don accept you definition of 50%. I will go by what
briancostello1980 9 months ago
@Machher786 sorry i didnt see this earlier, not really use to posting on youtube, i just don accept you definition of 50%. I will go by what christianity has historiclly taught
briancostello1980 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 I am not saying that 50% is the correct ratio. But the philosophical implications are ignored by Christians. 1 Being can not be 200% of itself, It can be only partially God and partially Human, the 2 natures must equal 100%. Therefore Jesus can not be fully God (100%) and fully human (100%) or 200% in one being.
Machher786 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 Do you accept the council of Hieria? What about the second council of Nicea, do accept both them?
1MoreMuslim 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 yes, but it is signed off with pauls signature and it is proposed to be a transcribed lecture of pauls.
Again, its none of Jesus' or Moses' teachings. It all came after from secondary sources.
Machher786 9 months ago
@Machher786 hebrews is not signed by paul, his name is nowhere in that epistle, i may have overlooked it if you know where it is i would appericate you showing me and i will gladly recant what i have said, there are early church fathers that believed paul wrote it, but thats the best i have been able to find. Also i would like to share this verse with you, but ill put it in a box below cause it probably wont allow me to paste it all, it is written by moses and speaks of blood making attonment
briancostello1980 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 The signature I was referring to is the saluation at the end of Hebrews "Grace be to you all" (depending on the version you are reading). This salutation is considered by many bible scholars as the signature of paul and hence state that although this may not be written first hand by paul, it is likely that it was a sermon of his transcribed.
Machher786 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 Considering that the first 5 books contain a 3rd person narrative of moses' death and burial - therefore I find it tough to accept that Moses even spoke those words.
Machher786 9 months ago
@Machher786 by that logic its hard to believe moses wrote anything you dont agree with, i could use that same train of thought and say that moses ONLY wrote the passages that talk about attonement, i just dont find that to be a valid refutation. also you mentioned the the ending of hebrews, i would urge you to look at the style of greek that hebrews was written in and then compare it to the epistles that paul wote in his name, its completly difrrent and is a much stronger argument.
briancostello1980 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 I think that our conclusion does not fit. I am not excluding these passages due to content, I am excluding them due to the strong doubt that any of the pentateuch was originally written by Moses. However I still believe that I provided logical explanation that shows human sacrifice to atone for the sins of others is something totally foreign to old testament as well as the 4 books.
Machher786 9 months ago
@Machher786 its not totally foreign to the other books, what does God do when adam sin? he kills animals and covers them with em. and seeing how our relationship with Christ is one of Covenant, what does God do with abrahm in Genesis, kills another animal. The reason the book of leviticus goes in to detail unlike the other 5 books is because its about the covenant workings, its a book of regulations . its brok into 2 sections chp1-16 priestly code 17-26 the holiness code.
briancostello1980 9 months ago
i would also like to note a couple other things concearning this book.
Jesus referred to the teachings of Leviticus. In Matthew 5:43-48 His teaching that we should be perfect, even as the Father is perfect, on the command of Leviticus 19:2, showing that the vengeance which characterizes men is not consistent with the teaching of Leviticus, which instructs us that we must “love our neighbor as ourselves” (Lev. 19:18)
briancostello1980 9 months ago
Peter chapter one Peter based his argument for the Christian’s personal holiness on the commandment found in Leviticus (11:44-45; 19:2; 20:7). In the second chapter of this same epistle Peter taught that the church, the body of Christ, is a priestly nation. Thus the priestly regulations of Leviticus must have relevance to the priestly people, the church.
one could also argue that mark 9 is a refrence to Leviticus also. ( i tried not to use paul, but he also uses this book in his writtings)
briancostello1980 9 months ago
@Machher786 one more to add both john 1:29 Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world and mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many, speak of Jesus death for sin and a ransom. which is consistant with the animal scarifice in leviticus
briancostello1980 9 months ago 7
@briancostello1980 hmm interesting ... perhaps I have given the 4 books an identity which doesnt exist, I suppose as a Muslim I have even less faith in what the Christians claim to be their book.
Machher786 9 months ago
@Machher786 there is nothing new to what im saying. The core message of Christianity, the gospel historically, is that men are born in sin, and have always needed forgiveness of sin thu faith in the Messiah. The NT reveals that messiah as Jesus, and shows that he had to die, take the wrath of sinners. Since we break Gods law, he requires justice, he poured his wrath out on the Son, our justice, so those who recieve him by faith are forgiven. 1Cor15:1-4 paul gives a presentation of the Gospel
briancostello1980 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 I totally disagree. Paul is a person who innovated in the religion of Jesus, he does not have authority to change the creed or even comment about the religion.
The concept of original sin and taking the burden for someone else is totally illogical and is not easily discernible from the bible, only through paul's writings and through the 4 books who also have unknown authorship is this possible
Why do you base your religion on a book whose authorship is even questionable?
Machher786 9 months ago
@Machher786 God wrote the bible, thu men. Christian donot question its authorship. i demonstarted that alot of people believed Christ was the substitue for sin, if you have anyother questions regarding doctrine in the bible i can answer them. i would like to know what you think paul made up tho?
briancostello1980 9 months ago
@Machher786
Leviticus 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life.
briancostello1980 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 You are taking verses which are are specific to showing the laws and virtues concerning animal sacrifice and applying them to any and all sacrifices. Animal sacrifices may be one of the many ways to obtain forgiveness but it is not the only one. Therefore I am saying that the verses of the bible never state human sacrifice as a necessary component of atonement for sins.
Machher786 9 months ago
@briancostello1980 secondly, paul also wrote hebrews. so all of this sacrifice with blood is enforced through pauls writings specifically.
Machher786 9 months ago
lol god died? how does this guy think...
DarweeshX11 9 months ago