I welcome the competition and I'm certainly glad to see deregulation take place in so many states. I signed up for great rates usuing a company called TransCo Power that lets you finds rates online and lock in a contract. Works for me!
yeah consumer must inform themself, we deal with the devil, technicaly if you don't know something it's not an excuse of the consequence we face, it's the result of the lack of knowledge
Les consommateurs doivent s'informer, nous traitons avec le diable, techniquement si on ne connait pas quelques chose ce n'est pas une excuse face à la conséquence, c'est le résultat de manque de savoir
Im from Indonesia, a small country in south east Asia. In my opinion its ridiculous to make liberalization in energy market. What will happen next?? The suppliers can dictcate the price. And now, all developed countries, with IMF as a motor, has forced privatisation in our state owned electricity company. This scheme is already succed in our telecommunication company. If the reason is the price, why dont the government make policies to regulate the price.
good point of view. In Canada, for example, the electricity is controlled, produced and regulated by one state-controlled company, and that way, electricity in canada is relatively cheap.
"The only way to get lower prices is to encourage competition" Nonsense, what about regulation? Simply opening a market does not necessarily drive down prices. Providers move as a group, like with recent prices. Market prices are also effected by speculative investment too. Markets don't prevent price fixing and need to be regulated. It is unclear to me whether good regulation of few operators is preferable.
The answer to what elctricity is is that there is NO answer, since NOBODY knows what electricity even is EXACTLY... not scientist, engineers, electricians,etc......
correction. It is known EXACTLY what electricity is, you just dont understand it. I will try and explain; electricity is the flow of positively charged (in terms of photons) electrons from a positive "object" , to a negatively charged(in terms of photons) object". The positively charged object or area is known as the annode, and the negatively charged object or area is known as the cathode.
This isn't something EU should care about. It's up to citizens in each country to decide. EU is not democratic by forcing this on us to comply to this. This viedo clip is nothing more than propaganda. The reality is completely different. We got the right to choose who's going to rip us off. We didn't get the right to choose a reliable and cheap electricity market.
i'm dutch and can tell you that it aint getting cheaper... its the other way around... its so fucking expensive nowadays people cant pay their gas bills anymore.
I don't think a liberalised market would make energy cheaper in the long run. As EU countries have enough stability to hold prices at a fixed rate: for them loosing money on energy should not be a problem, in opposition to a company which actual purpose is to make money. With this kind of market, a simple crisis can make the prices climb pretty high.
These may be my socialist feeling awakening, but I believe the state is here to give lasting cheap commodities. A company is here to make money.
At the end, all this liberasation means that goverments will force energy distributors to allow one more distributor ... so you electrisity bill could look like: Nuclear fac/windmill + main high voltage distributor + smaller distributor + another distributor + local distributor + street distributor + your neighbour. Wow ... no wonder the electristy prices wil skyrocket, even having in mind that production cost will not be so high. The video shows only one side and doesnt go deeper enough.
Well i am from Lithuania, considered dumb, so explain me how energy "liberasation" works.
As video showed, we have: produsers, distributors and ... and consumers.
So, i dont get it. At the end, we have distributors, wich decides the price for end user. And how can we have MORE distributors ("competition") if there is ONLY ONE cabel and GAS PIPE going to your house. ONE! There is only ONE high voltage cable grid. ONE!
1) I haven't seen one positive comment about the liberalisation. I think most people posting are Continental Europeans, but still...
2) The video talks about "Britain, where there has been liberalisation for several years now". Yes, that would be since Thatcher privatised the industry in *1989*, *before the European Union even existed*.
Where is NORDSTREAM in this presentation? The real purpose is to make us dependent of russian energy supplies - just like drug addicts. It is good old Stalinist policy in a new packet. But we DONT WANT IT
so, lets hope that now finally france will allow competition on their market. they take over smaller suppliers in openmarket countries, but when its their turn to have a company go to foreign hands, suddenly they stalk about 'national security'. A liberal market is cool, as long as everyone abides the rules.
Believe me, it's way better if you leave it for the free market to manage. You can have high prices, no reliability and even lack of supply if you leave it for the state beaurocrats. Just take a look at the energy field in the Latin American countries.
Limburg was traditionally part of the Southern Netherlands, present-day Belgium... En de grens tussen België en Nederland is ook verkeerd getekend, Zeeuw-Vlaanderen behoort tot Vlaanderen, net zoals Noord-Brabant en Limburg. Die waren allemaal onderdeel van de Zuidelijke Nederlanden, ie. België.
Er is helemaal verkeerd getekend ja, als je zo begint kunnen we net zo goed even heel vlaanderen bij Nederland aantrekken. Het zou dan en hoop schelen rond de taal strijd enzovoort.
so where are you from? Limburg joined the treaty of Utrecht (in the form of Maastricht and surrounding land at that time) so did zeeuws Vlaanderen and Brabant. those where freed from the spansih after the 80 years war while the current belgium was still under spanish rule. so they are most certainly part of The Netherlands and not Belgium.
So not only have power bills gone up but nuclear power plants are now run by private corporations, hmmm I wonder how thier safety spending has gone...
Do not fall for this. We did it in the U.S.A. and prices have skyrocketed, and reliability has fallen. Energy is so important to the country is should be a state run monopoly. Free market has too many ups and downs that can disrupt every facet of the country.
Absolutely right, in Holland hospitals were made non state funded commercial enterprises some 15 years ago or so and things are not improving. some hospitals have simply had to close down completely because they were bankrupt, most others are in huge debts.
The railways is a simmilar story, it became non state funded, now there are often delays, accidents. They even sold most of their modern trains to Germany and bought older ones from Belgium to try and earn some money.
La commission européenne ne sait plus comment faire pour vanter les mérites de l'ouverture des marchés, ouverture qui, jusqu'à présent, n'a conduit qu'à augmenter le prix de l'énergie et engraisser les actionnaires et diminuer la sécurité d'approvisionnement...
I absolutely like the fact that I have a free choice now. It's just that it becomes quite a hassle to choose. There are a lot of options, different packages, different deals. I'm quite willing to spend some time figuring this out, but I wonder if everyone is.
let me guess what it means. less jobs, lower wages, higher prices, crappier service, higher profits for the stock corporation share holders. haven't seen that happen before...
Damn Bush and Cheney for letting us fall behind and allowing us to be dependent on oil. If only we could have decentralized our power grid and put innovation into our markets again.
How things can be made complicated by a free market. It is an odd and costly principle. Now the suppliers have to be inspected and the inspectors will be inspected, or not? avlona
Est-ce qu'on pourrait arrêter de raconter que la libéralisation va faire diminuer les prix ? C'est démagogique et faux.
Les services publics permettent d'éviter les coûts de partage des bénéfices aux actionnaires, et peuvent fournir l'énergie à prix coûtant. De plus, le monopole d'Etat permet une mutualisation des coûts.
texas has competition for electricity now (not in all areas) and the deregulated areas pay much more than the still regulated areas. this deregulation sucks imo. it helps big businesses and screws little people (single family homes). this is just my opinion.
I assume there are no comments here because you don't allow them to be posted. I would have thought that the EU would support free speech. I guess not.
Too bad you forgot to mention the FACT that mostly American multinational oil-companies bought up over 200 refinaries to dismantle them to be able to raise the price of oil, not because of the fake "Peak-Oil" fairy, but caused by the planned lack of refineries.
I was reading about the involvement of medics in London and Glasgow terror plots.
Medics working for Alqaida is very sensitive information to come in media, especially if Alqaidas number 2 is a pediatrician.
taking the fact in consideration if, the nails were long enough to cause power outages. All exposed power cables are very vulnerable to one blow of nail to pearce through it.
As Bush says it is a long drawn war against barbaric mujahideen, these are faceless enemies of democracy.
what a bunch of bunk! privatizing public utilities is a straight up grab at control and private profits over environmental concerns and people,. they privatized the water system in south america,. and the corporations claimed the right to tax poor people collecting rain water!!! the private corporations claimed to own the rain! this privatization will make off-grid solutiuons illegal you juat wait and see,.
Maybe if we had a more transparent system, similar to the one presented, we wouldn't have disasters like the Enron Corporation or the California deregulation crisis.
so fucking dumb why is this listed as popular, deregulation happened here in the states and, guess what? it was a great way for the electric utilities to jam up the prices of their products and push off their expenses onto the public. Fucking corporations.
Let's talk reality here - after the liberalization, did British households pay significantly more or less for their electricity - and what will happen in the future?
It's a shame that the Commission has decided to feed us such a propagandistic piece instead of paying the good people at Mostra (using our money) to do a more balanced video.
I wouldn't worry about choosing electricity and gas suppliers, i would be more worried about where the gas and power is coming from. For instance germany relies on Russia for like 47% of its power (not a nice position to be in) we need to rely on nuclear more so now. Look at what happened to the Ukraine.
Prior to choice exercise, let's say 1 company monopolies the power generating and distribution. To get the electricity to your home, 1 substation and cable is only required.
However, with other suppliers being introduced, doesn't it require to build more independent cables, power grids, gas pipes just to satisfy a region of customers? Economically viable? I am pretty skeptic of this.
The prices have been stable because there were national monopolies, controled by states, now prices will rise badly.. I would support a single european company, controled by EU, but not this!
I welcome the competition and I'm certainly glad to see deregulation take place in so many states. I signed up for great rates usuing a company called TransCo Power that lets you finds rates online and lock in a contract. Works for me!
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vlfour 1 year ago
yeah consumer must inform themself, we deal with the devil, technicaly if you don't know something it's not an excuse of the consequence we face, it's the result of the lack of knowledge
Les consommateurs doivent s'informer, nous traitons avec le diable, techniquement si on ne connait pas quelques chose ce n'est pas une excuse face à la conséquence, c'est le résultat de manque de savoir
sgrave1 1 year ago
They tried this in Texas and before liberalization of the energy system one KWH was 5 - 10 cents and now its about 16 - 20cents per KWH.
md22mint 2 years ago
Im from Indonesia, a small country in south east Asia. In my opinion its ridiculous to make liberalization in energy market. What will happen next?? The suppliers can dictcate the price. And now, all developed countries, with IMF as a motor, has forced privatisation in our state owned electricity company. This scheme is already succed in our telecommunication company. If the reason is the price, why dont the government make policies to regulate the price.
donex96 2 years ago
good point of view. In Canada, for example, the electricity is controlled, produced and regulated by one state-controlled company, and that way, electricity in canada is relatively cheap.
pe7r0vsky 2 years ago
Tesla ruled !!
raphamar80 3 years ago
"The only way to get lower prices is to encourage competition" Nonsense, what about regulation? Simply opening a market does not necessarily drive down prices. Providers move as a group, like with recent prices. Market prices are also effected by speculative investment too. Markets don't prevent price fixing and need to be regulated. It is unclear to me whether good regulation of few operators is preferable.
andygavin 3 years ago
The answer to what elctricity is is that there is NO answer, since NOBODY knows what electricity even is EXACTLY... not scientist, engineers, electricians,etc......
Thetranslatorguy 3 years ago
correction. It is known EXACTLY what electricity is, you just dont understand it. I will try and explain; electricity is the flow of positively charged (in terms of photons) electrons from a positive "object" , to a negatively charged(in terms of photons) object". The positively charged object or area is known as the annode, and the negatively charged object or area is known as the cathode.
timmo2k 3 years ago 2
This isn't something EU should care about. It's up to citizens in each country to decide. EU is not democratic by forcing this on us to comply to this. This viedo clip is nothing more than propaganda. The reality is completely different. We got the right to choose who's going to rip us off. We didn't get the right to choose a reliable and cheap electricity market.
haardkaar 3 years ago
i'm dutch and can tell you that it aint getting cheaper... its the other way around... its so fucking expensive nowadays people cant pay their gas bills anymore.
atotzisbezet 3 years ago 2
Oh yes, let the market set the price like it did in California. I'm sure $10,000 a kilowatt hour isn't too expensive for you guys.
AliasUndercover 3 years ago
I don't think a liberalised market would make energy cheaper in the long run. As EU countries have enough stability to hold prices at a fixed rate: for them loosing money on energy should not be a problem, in opposition to a company which actual purpose is to make money. With this kind of market, a simple crisis can make the prices climb pretty high.
These may be my socialist feeling awakening, but I believe the state is here to give lasting cheap commodities. A company is here to make money.
cultintal 3 years ago 4
At the end, all this liberasation means that goverments will force energy distributors to allow one more distributor ... so you electrisity bill could look like: Nuclear fac/windmill + main high voltage distributor + smaller distributor + another distributor + local distributor + street distributor + your neighbour. Wow ... no wonder the electristy prices wil skyrocket, even having in mind that production cost will not be so high. The video shows only one side and doesnt go deeper enough.
AG0525 3 years ago 5
Well i am from Lithuania, considered dumb, so explain me how energy "liberasation" works.
As video showed, we have: produsers, distributors and ... and consumers.
So, i dont get it. At the end, we have distributors, wich decides the price for end user. And how can we have MORE distributors ("competition") if there is ONLY ONE cabel and GAS PIPE going to your house. ONE! There is only ONE high voltage cable grid. ONE!
AG0525 3 years ago 5
lol @ socialism
wutru 3 years ago
Two observations:
1) I haven't seen one positive comment about the liberalisation. I think most people posting are Continental Europeans, but still...
2) The video talks about "Britain, where there has been liberalisation for several years now". Yes, that would be since Thatcher privatised the industry in *1989*, *before the European Union even existed*.
workstationnumlock 3 years ago
Where is NORDSTREAM in this presentation? The real purpose is to make us dependent of russian energy supplies - just like drug addicts. It is good old Stalinist policy in a new packet. But we DONT WANT IT
rmir2 4 years ago
so what is the difference for me as a customer? what are the different gases and powers are you offering me?
allgoodnickstaken 4 years ago
so, lets hope that now finally france will allow competition on their market. they take over smaller suppliers in openmarket countries, but when its their turn to have a company go to foreign hands, suddenly they stalk about 'national security'. A liberal market is cool, as long as everyone abides the rules.
jobvdsande 4 years ago 3
Yes if people abide by a fair set of rules.
Like a good sporting game people can win.
That is why I am involved in an Energy company.
You can click on my name and see the sites.
If you now anyone in NYC or Texas it is in thier intrest to get the right information.
Will we be in Europe? We will see. Events in USA will mimic the markets in the EU.
ctel2009 4 years ago
Believe me, it's way better if you leave it for the free market to manage. You can have high prices, no reliability and even lack of supply if you leave it for the state beaurocrats. Just take a look at the energy field in the Latin American countries.
lsamartins 4 years ago 3
I agree that is why I am in the energy business in America with a unique idea that
is open to all. A truly grass root effort
and we are just getting started.
ctel2009 4 years ago
de grens tussen nederland en duitsland is verkeerd getekend.
limburg is namelijk van nederland
assasin22red 4 years ago
Limburg was traditionally part of the Southern Netherlands, present-day Belgium... En de grens tussen België en Nederland is ook verkeerd getekend, Zeeuw-Vlaanderen behoort tot Vlaanderen, net zoals Noord-Brabant en Limburg. Die waren allemaal onderdeel van de Zuidelijke Nederlanden, ie. België.
LavishBeats 4 years ago 4
Er is helemaal verkeerd getekend ja, als je zo begint kunnen we net zo goed even heel vlaanderen bij Nederland aantrekken. Het zou dan en hoop schelen rond de taal strijd enzovoort.
LompeKhylos 4 years ago
so where are you from? Limburg joined the treaty of Utrecht (in the form of Maastricht and surrounding land at that time) so did zeeuws Vlaanderen and Brabant. those where freed from the spansih after the 80 years war while the current belgium was still under spanish rule. so they are most certainly part of The Netherlands and not Belgium.
JMP98251 4 years ago
it has allready affected prices in The Netherlands and Belgium :(
GunsGotti 4 years ago
This video is SHOCKING.
Get it? electricity? Shocking?
justinaurelius 4 years ago
I think you just breached a few EU regulations with that
DarthTanner 4 years ago
So not only have power bills gone up but nuclear power plants are now run by private corporations, hmmm I wonder how thier safety spending has gone...
DarthTanner 4 years ago
Do not fall for this. We did it in the U.S.A. and prices have skyrocketed, and reliability has fallen. Energy is so important to the country is should be a state run monopoly. Free market has too many ups and downs that can disrupt every facet of the country.
lutherbrowning 4 years ago 2
Absolutely right, in Holland hospitals were made non state funded commercial enterprises some 15 years ago or so and things are not improving. some hospitals have simply had to close down completely because they were bankrupt, most others are in huge debts.
The railways is a simmilar story, it became non state funded, now there are often delays, accidents. They even sold most of their modern trains to Germany and bought older ones from Belgium to try and earn some money.
Mycarrox 4 years ago
i live in belgium and electricity prices have gone up since the opening of the market. it sucks.
phatjesus008 4 years ago 2
bravo to the european commission to use a 21 th century way to communicate with EU citizens...
sicocosi 4 years ago
La commission européenne ne sait plus comment faire pour vanter les mérites de l'ouverture des marchés, ouverture qui, jusqu'à présent, n'a conduit qu'à augmenter le prix de l'énergie et engraisser les actionnaires et diminuer la sécurité d'approvisionnement...
coodgle 4 years ago
I absolutely like the fact that I have a free choice now. It's just that it becomes quite a hassle to choose. There are a lot of options, different packages, different deals. I'm quite willing to spend some time figuring this out, but I wonder if everyone is.
looskuh 4 years ago
we had this in UK for years and still the bloody prices are too high!
623058 4 years ago
let me guess what it means. less jobs, lower wages, higher prices, crappier service, higher profits for the stock corporation share holders. haven't seen that happen before...
3swoosh2 4 years ago
I wonder how will this work, when a company will be able to provide only 1MW of electricity, and if its costumers consumed over 100MW...
korencek 4 years ago
Damn Bush and Cheney for letting us fall behind and allowing us to be dependent on oil. If only we could have decentralized our power grid and put innovation into our markets again.
thereallurker 4 years ago
How things can be made complicated by a free market. It is an odd and costly principle. Now the suppliers have to be inspected and the inspectors will be inspected, or not? avlona
avlona 4 years ago
this thing just smells of lies
santiagowechsler 4 years ago
Est-ce qu'on pourrait arrêter de raconter que la libéralisation va faire diminuer les prix ? C'est démagogique et faux.
Les services publics permettent d'éviter les coûts de partage des bénéfices aux actionnaires, et peuvent fournir l'énergie à prix coûtant. De plus, le monopole d'Etat permet une mutualisation des coûts.
Nico5ab 4 years ago
pourqoi tu ecris en français?
mike82tr 4 years ago
Pas mal ces petites videos, mais combien de citoyen de l'UE comprennent l'anglais? Vas falloir traduire dans toutes les langues de l'UE :/
anselme83 4 years ago
seems like a good idea
Metalmanz3 4 years ago
What good is choice if the choices are expensive?
rspawn 4 years ago
here in portland oregon USA we don't have a choice of providers. we all must pay 21 percent more for electricity since December 2006.
I hope you fellow humans in europe find the answer to stopping the big greedy energy companies from exploiting the consumers.
glennid10t 4 years ago
texas has competition for electricity now (not in all areas) and the deregulated areas pay much more than the still regulated areas. this deregulation sucks imo. it helps big businesses and screws little people (single family homes). this is just my opinion.
brgroom 4 years ago
I assume there are no comments here because you don't allow them to be posted. I would have thought that the EU would support free speech. I guess not.
simplyno 4 years ago
Too bad you forgot to mention the FACT that mostly American multinational oil-companies bought up over 200 refinaries to dismantle them to be able to raise the price of oil, not because of the fake "Peak-Oil" fairy, but caused by the planned lack of refineries.
Grow up.
vlunkk 4 years ago
ask the US government and especially J.P. Morgan why they made Tesla die in poverty although he gave us DC?
Coiuld it have been because he proved energy to be free exploitable for all citizens?
*curses the stupid sceptic imbeciles*
vlunkk 4 years ago
I was reading about the involvement of medics in London and Glasgow terror plots.
Medics working for Alqaida is very sensitive information to come in media, especially if Alqaidas number 2 is a pediatrician.
taking the fact in consideration if, the nails were long enough to cause power outages. All exposed power cables are very vulnerable to one blow of nail to pearce through it.
As Bush says it is a long drawn war against barbaric mujahideen, these are faceless enemies of democracy.
Fixhist 4 years ago
mhmmm, interesting, people dont even notice that the power companies have a monopoly going, and also i think its funny that the EU has a channel
tylersall2 4 years ago
Why no comments?.. Well.. I guess I'm the first one than 8-).. Happy new year every one :D :D
MaBoeFAN167 4 years ago
what a bunch of bunk! privatizing public utilities is a straight up grab at control and private profits over environmental concerns and people,. they privatized the water system in south america,. and the corporations claimed the right to tax poor people collecting rain water!!! the private corporations claimed to own the rain! this privatization will make off-grid solutiuons illegal you juat wait and see,.
jphwacheski 4 years ago
Practial was it means in Belgium that prices of Electricity and Gas GO UP !!!!
The liberalization is for the BIG pockets of the BIG engery suppliers.
DO NOT BELIEVE THIS BULSHITT !!!!
They say it is liberalization, so they can lie and
say that it is now cheaper for the customers,
but it is now MORE expentive than before the liberalization.
And what about the wars that these company orchestrate to keep the OIL-Prices UP and UP and UP.
THEY ARE CRIMINALS !!!!!!!!!!
colomboBE 4 years ago 2
thanks to the liberasation of the energy market in Flanders (Belgium), bills really got cheaper! and the service is much better now
maarten087 4 years ago
Maybe if we had a more transparent system, similar to the one presented, we wouldn't have disasters like the Enron Corporation or the California deregulation crisis.
Eaacker 4 years ago
Before you do this, please study the USA State of Maryland. They did this and prices sharply increased.
petemill66 4 years ago
sweet...choices kick ass
irishftbll6 4 years ago
Well can we choose that in Bulgaria i dont know !? :(
bulgariamitko 4 years ago
they should put subtitles in european commission videos.
esegeta 4 years ago
so fucking dumb why is this listed as popular, deregulation happened here in the states and, guess what? it was a great way for the electric utilities to jam up the prices of their products and push off their expenses onto the public. Fucking corporations.
maunaowakea777 4 years ago
Let's talk reality here - after the liberalization, did British households pay significantly more or less for their electricity - and what will happen in the future?
It's a shame that the Commission has decided to feed us such a propagandistic piece instead of paying the good people at Mostra (using our money) to do a more balanced video.
MarquisdeBarrabas 4 years ago
I wouldn't worry about choosing electricity and gas suppliers, i would be more worried about where the gas and power is coming from. For instance germany relies on Russia for like 47% of its power (not a nice position to be in) we need to rely on nuclear more so now. Look at what happened to the Ukraine.
pattom136 4 years ago
I choose both
CreditTipVideos 4 years ago
I wish to understand this:
Prior to choice exercise, let's say 1 company monopolies the power generating and distribution. To get the electricity to your home, 1 substation and cable is only required.
However, with other suppliers being introduced, doesn't it require to build more independent cables, power grids, gas pipes just to satisfy a region of customers? Economically viable? I am pretty skeptic of this.
slinkys 4 years ago 2
EU-Propaganda everywhere, even Youtube is now invaded.
mrbonheur 4 years ago 3
Welcome to U.S.A
13374L 4 years ago
Good idea - I hope it will work everywhere!
alanheath 4 years ago
Cool, just plug in healthcare instead of electricity and you have the perfect private healthcare system!
TheShrimpShackShoote 4 years ago
Im not surprised the E.U. didnt make its own youtube to try & compete with american youtube.
MrHairyNutz 4 years ago
Awesome!
intosportz 4 years ago
The prices have been stable because there were national monopolies, controled by states, now prices will rise badly.. I would support a single european company, controled by EU, but not this!
euroentusiasta 4 years ago 2
Oh nice. I didnt knew the Euopean Commision was doing videos on youtube. Good job. keep going.
mo1elftausend 4 years ago
Well, we choose nothing. In Belgium, Electrabel - the monopoly - just raised gas prices with 20%. Belgians are enraged, but to no avail.
If you can, dear EU, please break this quasi-monopoly.
djangobelgo 4 years ago
Im up for communsm in europe who else
1capsule45 4 years ago
this video is great
CreditTipVideos 4 years ago
European gas and electricity....exciting video.
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WhiteHousedotGov 4 years ago