So, is it YOU who is going to tell you why someone hates? lolzz... dude.. you are watching too much of Fox News, CNN and reading too much into Neocon and Zionist propaganda machine which is as racist as was the Nazis. Hope you'd read more neutrally instead of being blinded and/or your conscience being silenced by any stupid propaganda machine out there. Study Islam yourself, there's no harm in that. :) Peace!
I think it would be in the US national interest (based on cost-benefit not humanitarian) to send a nuke to Israel and ends the existence of this parasitic, apartheid, racist creature which has been sucking american dry for a while.
The scenario is way simpler than that. Zionist pigs stole the arab lands 60 years ago and their only purpose since then has been to survive in an ocean of hate. Instead of making Concession with arabs, they have dragged US (and west in general) to the ocean of hate using the parasitic lobbies in US. This has caused islamolunatic hate US and it was one of the motivation for 911. please watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
Next time someone says Islamo Fascists this and that just ask them what do they have plans for Islacurly or Islalarry Fascists. God knows what'll happen if those two decide crazy people team up. Then point and laugh at their child like IQ for gulping down the Kool-aid for the last 6 years about the new threat to Israel...I mean U.S.
Did you watch the video? I pointed out a few examples of American intervention in the Middle east, dating back to 1953.
If you believe the official story, on September 11, 2001, we were attacked by 19 highjackers. 15 of which were Saudis. There sited reason for attacking us? The US bases in Saudi Arabia, and our refusal to allow them to guard their own oil fields.
I am for a non interventionist policy.
Do some research before you attempt to chastise someone.
hahaha i guess they don't care to look at pre sept 11th, 2001.
There was a letter supposedly written by bin Laden which said 'we didnt attack you because we hate your FREEDom and that we did this because of your continued bases in saudi arabia, ties to & influence in these corrupt governments in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as well as aiding attcks on Lebanon in the 80's & continued support for Israeli 'atrocities' in Palestine. The letter said elect yourself a gov which looks to your interests.'
when you have a huge country like the US you will always have terror it was around before 9/11. generally acts of terror killed 300 americans a year many were abroad.
I do not condone this. now it kills much more!
how ever I know that N.O.R.A.D. was running exercises on the day of 9/11 that were exactly the same senario as what occured.
does a (collective) of terrorists worth 2 millon really have the abilitie to hack N.O.R.A.D. and defeat a 400 millon dollor defence matrix of G to A missles?
i would say the main reason they hate us is we back israel..and in doing so we ve displaced many native Palestinians in order to make way for american, european and russian jewish settlements on their native land and try to play it off like these jews have a right to do this..we criticise iran for developing a nuclear plant while israel has nuclear weapons.. we cite un resolutions for attacking iraq while israel violates un resolutions..we send israel billions in aid while we let africa starve
Actually, you are very correct KID. When Russia tried to arm Cuba against the United States, we all most went to war with USSR even though it would have Cuba at fault if a nuke fired off at us. We should apply this same line of thought to our actions in the middle east. We can't do the stuff that we are doing over and not think that the muslims would want to retaliate.
Regelmihai, your figures are almost correct. You swapped the numbers. 40% was not given to the Jews and 60% not to the Palestinians. The figures are as follows: 57% to the Jews, 43% to Palestinians.
Christians in the US help fund the Israeli settlements in the West Bank.The UN, Amnesty International, and international court have all pushed for the stopping of these settlements.During the Lebanese War in 06, Israel used civilians as human shields and bombed schools and hospitals.They block food and electricity entering Gaza.Israel has left cluster bombs throughout Lebanon and has admitted the use of phosphorous bombs on Lebanon.They get weapons, incl. nuclear, from US.Israel=sponsors terror
My comments concerning U.S. foreign policy were directed at user: regelemihai and not of the publisher of the video "Islamo-Facists just hate US". Just needed to clear that up thanks.
read the islamic holy book, and then open your mouth you dumb white spoiled piece of shit, it's people like you who get this country into trouble, your mom and dad are probably to old hippies who raised you to believe that by accepting everything, you inspire love, gays are not accepted in Islam period, what does that have do to with foreign policy, honor killings what does have to do with foreign policy, you know what shut the fuck, up nobody wants to hear you period.
read the islamic holy book, and then open your mouth you dumb white spoiled piece of shit, it's people like you who get this country into trouble, your mom and dad are probably to old hippies who raised you to believe that by accepting everything, you inspire love, gays are not accepted in Islam period, what does that have do to with foreign policy, honor killings what does have to do with foreign policy, you know what shut the fuck, up nobody wants to hear you period.
read the islamic holy book, and then open your mouth you dumb white spoiled piece of shit, it's people like you who get this country into trouble, your mom and dad are probably to old hippies who raised you to believe that by accepting everything, you inspire love, gays are not accepted in Islam period, what does that have do to with foreign policy, honor killings what does have to do with foreign policy, you know what shut the fuck, up nobody wants to hear you period.
The radical muslim can not be dealt with by diplomatic talks. Their starting point of talk is YOUR DEAD OFF WITH YOUR HEAD. They don't respond to... GIVE PEACE A CHANCE , KUMBAYA , IMAGINE ALL THE PEOPLE BLAH BLAH BLAH.
I believe it isn't our intervention they hate, it is our freedom of speech which conflicts with the local rulers who rule by dictatorship. The imams tell the youth to hit the streets and chant hateful slogans against the West, but who do you think appoints/controls these imams? The rulers of these countries do. We back Egypt and Saudi Arabia because we want to counter Iran's influence, which is good. I am not sure whether we can trust them though, I guess the future wil tell us.
They hate us for our freedoms?? Ive made a video on this topic as well. If they are waging war on our freedoms..then they are winning. The Patriot act..Hr 1955, the suspension of Habeus Corpus and Posse Comitatus, etc...
I don't agree with those laws, KIDiotequeA. But they do hate us for our freedom, it is dangerous for the grip their leaders have on their people and country. These laws your mentioned are dubious and possible threaten our freedom (even though they do not affect me being outside the USA). But they hate freedom because it threatens their hierarchy. I have a quote of a Malaysian prime-minister I wish to send you, I'll pm it to you.
@MatthewSteinberg That's quite an assumption. So they're cool with being bombed and having their resources exploited while they live in poverty? It's our freedom they hate. That's an extremely weak argument. Ever imagine yourself in their shoes? How would it make you feel? They are human after all.
Is-Lame-O fascists? The neo-cons that lied us into wars for profits & oil riches & weapons sales etc made that term up. They needed an enemy for us to fear while our borders are open and they kill our economy and take away our freedoms. The war on terror is a massive scam.
Comparing the ultradestructive capabilities of WW2 Germany and Russia to 5,000 guys who can barely afford to even COME here is even more ridicules. Plus, if they do hate us for loving Jesus, we'll literally have to kill every single Islamic man,woman,and child to prevent any more radicals from coming up. We can only win with a MUCH cheaper Defence.
You can also say that we live by the rules of 300 years ago...almost every single President was Christian.
Islamic millitants and terror cells are so widespread we can't really know hoe many are there.and scuse' me.can't come here?9/11 rings a bell?
And there is absolutly no correlation between christians and muslims.you know that.
And I repeat:I don't embrace the Iraq war. It was stupid and wrong.I'm not advocating killing every single islamic child and woman.The only thing I'm saying is that it's rediculous to assign most of the blame on the U.S and almost none at all on blood thirsty terrorists.
15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi Arabian...our allies...the country we just got done having 40 billion dollars worth of arms deals with. One of Osama Bin Ladens cited reasons for attacking the US was that we stationed our military in Saudi Arabia to protect their oil fields. Im not making excuses for any murderers, but its important to look at motive.
If you do not advocate preemptive war with every muslim nation on earth (advocating such would make you crazy) Then what do you suggest?
Non intervention seems to be the solution..not to mention we just cant afford to pay for this foreign policy on the backs of the lower and middle class anymore...it is killing our economy.
9-11 was a one-time fluke. They had like 50 years to bomb us, but it took decades for them to arrive.
Fine, we'll just ignore thr funding of tyrants, invading of 3rd-world countries, a huge military all over the world...
So what do you suggest instead of the Iraq War? An unpassable virtual fence that can keep ANYONE out as well as a small group of agents peacefully looking for AlQueda units with the concent of the local governments?
You would have to agree that U.S. foreign policy plays a major role in breathing hatred abroad. You've cited 9/11 as a testament to the will of the terrorists striking abroad. Since 14 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis why didn't the U.S. launch a large scale incursion into Saudi Arabia? None of the hijackers were Iraqi. And yet over 650,000 Iraqi civilians have died since the war began in 2003, and they had nothing to do with 9/11. Set emotion aside and try to embrace reality.
You would have to agree that U.S. foreign policy plays a major role in breathing hatred abroad. You've cited 9/11 as a testament to the will of the terrorists striking abroad. Since 14 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis why didn't the U.S. launch a large scale incursion into Saudi Arabia? None of the hijackers were Iraqi. And yet over 650,000 Iraqi civilians have died since the war began in 2003, and they had nothing to do with 9/11. Set emotion aside and try to embrace reality.
well they hate us for messing with their stuff, for killing their elected leaders and supporting their corrupt dictators - and the people that attack us today are the offspring of CIA missions in the 80's, remember the Russian Afghanistan war - their the Taliban and Al Qaeda originates from.
So the blame is to our western policies and nation building and nothing else.
Yes, I agree that the Iraq war was adumb dumb idea. It was a tractical error, call what you will. But accsuing America for islamo fascism and death is just outlandish.
But I respect your opinion. Kepp em' coming you have great vids ;)
I have a nice link too that demonstrates how rediculous the anti-Israel statements are.
I'm not interested in going back and forth on this discussion. You're not gonna be able to change my mind and I'm sure I won't change yours. So this is a dead end.
i didnt say anything about israel. but yea fuck them... nothing against jews overall but many of those assholes in irael are crossing the line. IT IS NOT THEIR FUCKING COUNTRY! lets never forget that...
Of course not. It was always the arbs who controlled that region.
All of those jews should just...die! Granted, that country is like 1% in a sea of muslim countries...but heck...they don't deserve even that. I think they should all be deported somewhere or just killed.
...People who are killing indiscriminantly.even their own people.
I'm sorry I just don't buy that.
the Iranians killed marines when we weren't in Iraq, Al Qaueda bombed 2 american embassys when we weren't in Iraq, they bombed Yemen when we weren't in Iraq,they bombed NY city...when we weren't inIraq.
So you can see that the whole "occupation" argumet doesn't hold watr 100%.
Mossadeq was a communist. The U.S was fighting the cold war at that time. So your oversimpifying it when you say "we armed extrimists"
Again(hate saying that)I don't disrespect you. You're well informed. But They WILL hate you no matter what you do.They are radicals. They don't want peace, or cooexistance.They want the distruction of anyone whose not muslim.
I come from Israel man...I went through it.
And just for the record, the thousads of dead in Iraq is the cause of insurgencies...
I can't tell if you're joking or that you seriously made one of the biggest mistakes of historical innacuracy, or if you're just paranoid with the thoughts of an entire war being faked and transformed in the history books to make it seem like Nazis were already dead and Stalin was our enemy.
The Cold War:WW2 is over. Nazis are dead. Russia and the US become Nuculer Superpowers. They can blow each other up in hours. The Cold War got it's name because neither side is familier with this new kind of warfare, and they don't know how to deal with it. All they did was keep their fingers on the buttons that'll destroy both countries. The US gave "assistance" to MidEast countries to ensure Russia's demise if one Power attacks. Look how close those countries are to Russia. Tyrants were paid.
How does "The US gave "assistance" to MidEast countries to ensure Russia's demise if one Power attacks. Look how close those countries are to Russia. Tyrants were paid," validate your thesis on Radical Islam being the ONLY thing causing Terrorists to pop up? We PAID villians, who tortured their people, and the people knew who gave those guys the money they used to HURT them!! The Muslims followed the money! They want vengance and for America to get out of the MidEast.
Yes radicals will typically be haters without good reason. However, you miss the larger point of how American foreign policy is empowering these radicals. To have power you must be given power, and this type of power comes from Middle Eastern foreign policy. People always want freedom and eventually enough will die for it to make it happen. The outside world is not letting Middle East culture evolve or destroy itself. They should.
Financing Israel is the cost that the U.S. must sustain in order to maintain the capability of stirring shit in the middle east. The very formation of the state of Israel is illegal. Its subsequent attacks on the Palestinians is comparable to genocide. But the world ignores this, preferring to focus on things like Tibetan liberation from China. Tibet is only a province (not even autonomous) of China. Palestine was a COUNTRY torn apart by Israel with the backing of the Western World.
genoside?...explain to me why? I'm getting really teed off by these comments. I lived there for 18 years. What kind of formal experience do you have with this subject? huh?
It's as legal as can be. The jewish ppl suffered through a lot, they have the right to have their own country, which is like 1% of land in a sea of muslim countries.
Allow me to explain why it is genocide. The latest conflict had 124 Palestinians killed whereas merely 3 Israelis died. Since 2000 - 2005 4604 Pales died; 1033 Israelis. Since 1948 I've seen figures as high as 2 million Palestinian deaths! Indeed the total area of Israel constitutes 1% of the land in a sea of muslim countries. But tell me how much of Palestine does it occupy? And how much land has it seized in subsequent wars and incursions that exceed the Palestinian Mandate of 1948?
Ahem...and seized those teritories...why exactly? tell me... why did they seize them after 1948?
The casualties on the palestinian side is due to their own millitants hiding amonsgst the civilians, therefore commiting a double war crime under the 4th geneva convention: Both targeting innocent civilians(which Israel NEVER does) and hiding behind their own civilians.
So you agree with the fact that Israel have exceeded the Palestinian mandate. Going outside a mandate is illegal so I would imagine you agree with that too. If you compare the 1947 partition plan to a map of Israel/Palestine today you will notice glaring differences. In the SW a large chunk of Arab land was reduced to a mere strip (hence Gaza Strip). A whole area to the North was taken completely. And the West Bank's boundaries have also been compromised. To me, it looks like Israeli conquest.
In 1948, when Israel was attacked, a "normal response" would be for Israel to defend itself, to which I have no problem with. Israel goes much further, and gains control of 77% of British Mandatory Palestine, including some areas designated for the Palestinian Arab State. During the Deir Yassin massacre, 85% of the Palestinians were displaced and not allowed to return. Over 500 Palestinian villages destroyed! The second Arab-Israeli war was in 1967 where further settlements were established.
You say that the Israeli military never targets civilians. I think you are gravely mistaken. You must only look to the Gaza massacre to realise the magnitude of Israeli warfare. But not only does it conduct civilian attacks; humanitarian attacks are also common e.g. cutting off essential power and water supplies to the occupied territories, only adding to the misery of the Palestinian civilians. All in response to a few Kassam rocket attacks, so ineffective, a headshot is needed to kill someone.
The magnitude is again due to the fact that their millitant(who were voted by the "peace loving" ppl)radicals targent civilians while hiding amongst their own civilians. Of course there will be more civilian casualties on their side.
The millitary gets clearence from the state.they do not go and kill for the fuck of it.
Israel left the Gaza strip in 2005 so they can act accrodingly. what did they do? voted Hamas, and continued the reign of terror.
You say "Reign of terror". This an interesting phrase, but not surprisingly, is being misused by you, by Israel, and by the U.S. Israel is employing the same Bush rhetoric to justify its reign of terror unto the Palestinian people, whilst pursuing Islamic terrorists "hiding amongst their own civilians". I'm aware the IDF gets clearance from the State (and they DO kill for the fuck of it). So random and unfocused are their attacks that Amnesty has accused Israel of war crimes - point blank!
Of course you know.You have evidence of Israeli soldiers killing for fun.Pure propaganda BS.Israel attacks after kasam rockets are launched on israeli cities,targeting innocents,which of course you are ok with.And you didn't refute the "hiding behind their civilians" claim,because you know it's true.That's how they act.That's the only way that can act actually.another fact is(like I've mentioned before)is that they are committing a double war crime under the 4th geneva convention.
Firstly, I wasn't referring to Israeli soldiers killing for the fun of it, I was referring to the State of Israel (Israeli Government etc). Secondly, I was being sarcastic. I simply followed up on what you said to make a point. Please do no say that I'm okay with killings carried out by Palestinian militants, as this is not the case. Tell me where are the Palestinian militants supposed to go, they reside in their communities!! But of course, you say they are hiding behind civilians.
I have mentioned below some war crimes by Israel.I do not attempt to excuse any war crimes committed by any other country. Any war crimes and war in itself is disgusting to me.I merely wish to point out that Israel is not innocent in all of this, neither are Palestinians.I will say that the amount of times the UN and Amnesty have had to condemn Israel is staggering.Israel does not act solely to protect, but also to expand.EX:Olmert admitted to planning Lebanon War mths b4 soldiers kidnapped.
Random and unfocused...you have all the facts of course.
You want real facts? huh? the truth of the matter is that although being under attack after leaving Gaza,they continued to treat over 14,000 palestinian casualties,provide 2500 tons of food to themand supply them with electricity(contrary to what you said).Yeah,some terrorists.
So random and unfocused that they've managed to deliberatly kill underground leaders with little or no other casulaties. ex: Ahmed Yasin in 2004.you have no facts
Real facts, eh? My sources are respectable. If you want to know more, here is a research project for you. Go to Amnesty International & search for "Israel Cuts Electricity & Food Supply to Gaza" (date: 1/21/08) OR BBC & search "Amnesty slams Israel 'war crimes'".
What about Amnesty? Is that not credible? What about this: "Gaza's border crossings with Israel completely closed today" from the UN website (2/1/08) or if you want "unbiased" news: Guardian "Amnesty report accuses Israel of war crimes" or the Washington Post "Israeli 'Economic Warfare' to Include Electricity Cuts in Gaza". Now what?
I have wll street jurnal source that claims differently, so we can go back and forth all night.
"The fact that U.N. observers protected and defended guerilas who crossed a U.N.-certified border, using cars with U.N. license plates while under the cover of U.N. flags, was apparently of no consequence to UNIFIL."
Are you trying to discredit the UN? WOW! How pathetic! The Wall Street Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch, a scumbag who also owns Fox News and Sky News among many. I hardly consider any shit coming from him to be credible. What about the Washington Post? Is that credible? You still haven't stated your thoughts on Amnesty? Stop cherry-picking data. My data is from a myriad of sources.
Lol fuck Amnesty International and the UN man. Why is Israel always condemned for whatever they do. Yet recently the UN refused to condemn the terrorist attack on a torah school in Jerusalem (lotsa kids died y'know). The UN condemns a little Islamcritical film by Wilders, yet why don't they condemn the daily nazi uploads on youtube? Yet why don't they condemn *every* hate movie coming from the Islamic world. The UN is centered around ciritizing Israel. You tell me that is credible?
Israel is always condemned for what they do because what they do amounts to war crimes and crimes against humanity, it's that simple. The UN also condemns Palestinian Kassam rocket attacks so I don't know what you're talking about. The UN has condemned the Wilders film because the film was made by a POLITICAL FIGURE in The Netherlands. Amnesty is an humanitarian group reporting events around the world, along with assisting those displaced by war. Dismissing them is ludicrous, and you know it!
I am absolutely disgusted with your statements of hatred and misunderstanding.You attempt to discredit the UN,but what about Amnesty?There are no hate films making box office hits for a reason.ONLY petty YouTube hate videos appear,which are too many&unimportant that the UN should not ever respond.If they respond,they are pro-limiting speech.This new film is by a political figure:THAT's what's controversial.If they do not respond,they'll be accused of supporting such awful views.
hahaha,Just look at your comment and see who's cherry picking.Spewing biased bile against ruperb murdock is very intelligent of you.I can do the same about the UN which is also true.They condemn Israel,a nd do nothing whatsoever about true terrorism.
I have a source citing the geneva conventions and Hague conventions stating the Palestinian war crimes.
You have no fct my friend, and plus...you are hopelessly blind.
I live in Ireland, I see Sky News broadcasting on a daily basis (owned by Rupert Murdoch). During the Lebanon crisis it was clear to me what side of the fence Sky News had taken. They were criticizing Hizbollah for kidnapping 10 Israeli soldiers who were getting ready on the border to invade Lebanon. Their sympathetic approach toward the Israeli soldiers didn't convince me since Israel are the one's invading... again. So please, stop being stupid my friend regelemihai.
I lived there 18 years of my life actually experiencing it.
What did you do besides reading some cutsie little Google artciles you find from BBC reports? Uhh yeah, thought so. Very foolish of you.
I have several other sources from not only the wall street jurnal, but from the geneva conv and the Hague conve, and U.S news. But I guess you'll somehow find a pathetique and cowardly way of discrediting those too. Priceless!
In your view every news media, every news article, every humanitarian organisation that has something bad to say about Israel, is completely biased and wrong. I've cited a myriad of sources, all of which, according to you, is "biased bile". You have yet to comment on Amnesty International... oh let me guess... also "biased bile". The Guardian, Washington Post, BBC, USA Today, MSNBC, the U.N. Amnesty... they're all lying? Wake up my friend :)
I have sources too, but I guess those are all " right wing Rupert Murdock conspiratorial crap" ...I have sources from the Hague and Geneva conventions themslvbes! what more do you want? I have scholarly articles from different journals stating also different facts.You claim FOX is wrong because it deosn't fit your zealotry,but you have no doubt whatsoever about the BBC "information" who has a long history of hatered towards Israel.
I've now found a Sky News article which condemns Israel over Gaza blockade: "Israel Under Fire Over Gaza Blockade". I agree that these kind of articles by Sky are rare, and are normally pro-Israeli. But they do exist. If I search Fox I'll probably find them as well. Also, on another note, there have been countless resolutions passed by the U.N. since the 50s that Israel have refused to abide to. Look them up. I would certainly hope you expand your sources and perhaps you'll see a clearer picture
I've also seen articles in the LA Times, the Chicago Tribune... everywhere I look I see condemnation of Israel. Fox News IS NOT a news channel, it really isn't. Whenever I look at it, it reminds me of some kind of mediocre late night tv show, with opinions flying around all over the place (Sky is certainly not as bad; different target audience). Sir I would also invite your view on Amnesty International, something which you've avoided thus far, any particular reason?
LOL...Fox news is not, but again, you manage to cite only the left wing radical columns...L.A times? Chcago tribune?...you manage to discredit your self by yourself.
But I agree, this would be a good point to stop.
I would suggest thoiugh, that you go visit Israel in the future and see the truth as it is,not through the eyes of your biased media source.(You have avoided thus far my sources,so...you can say what you want)
Then,maybe I'll consider your opinion as somewhat vaild.
I could also cite the New York Times (very reputable), but also very liberal so whatever they write won't be credible in your opinion. But what of the Washington Post, THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE newspaper and I have cited that before. How can my sources be biased if I cite both liberal and conservative media forms. Another interesting journalist you might want to look up is John Pilger, very critical analysis across a wide span of issues.
I dunnoc what you found, but I found actuallt articles in the washington post that claim other things. Even the NY time(liberal) was criticized for "overblowing" the casulaity numbers on the Israeli side.
I suggest you might want to research Mortimer Zuckerman, an analyst an an editor in chief of U.S News.
But again....I'm sick of this argument. I though I might talk some sense into you,but to no avail.
For some reason I cannot post links in these comments. Whenever I try to it fails to send. If it would work I would post the links of all the articles I've found. Similarly, I'm also sick of this argument, I also thought I might be able to talk some sense into you. But tis cool. Take it easy :)
Living in Israel isn't the right kind of formal experience. As NicDM07 has pointed out, living in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank will paint a clearer picture for you. Terror states, such as the U.S. and Israel, will naturally rally their own people behind a cause through the use of government spin in the media. Just look at the prelude to Iraq, Sadaam was repeatedly linked to Al-Qeada, and it was claimed he had WMD's. Those were blatant lies. But many people in U.S. believed it.
Ataragoogle,John Pilger IS an EXCELLENT reporter who has been around the world working for various news agencies for decades.I also respect Anderson Cooper's coverage of the Lebanon War in which he visited both sides.The conflict continues in the region b/c no one wants to compromise.Muslims are not all extremists & Judaism doesn't equal Zionism.If Palestinians and Jews have a homeland w/strict borders,ONLY then will peace be possible.Compromise is necessary.Let's be an example2them &B friends;)
Your every response does you no credit sir. And why you refuse to respond with respect to Amnesty International is obvious. You can find no way to bad mouth or discredit them, in fact, you do not dare. With respect to visiting Israel, I know of Israelis who disagree with how their government is handling the Palestinian/Israeli crisis (no one hears their voices). Similarly I've heard Palestinians denouncing Pal militants who attacking Israel.
I agree with Ataragoogle that he has used many news sites to back his argument(some of which YOU deem biased).The best source for information on this topic is a visit to Lebanon,WestBank,or Gaza b/c most violence is in THOSE areas.However I find this debate over whose source is more credible to be shying away from the issue.Israel&Palestinians ARE responsible for humanitarian disaster.I will be joining Amnesty in the fall.Amnesty helps those in need,condemning ALL wrong doings.They ARE Credible.
When the british mandate was over and the state of Israel was founded, 40% was given to the jews(in total there were 600,000..too much ha?) and 60% to the arabs. Israel,although being mistreated, agreed to these terms and,as you know, "held its hand for peace"...what did they do?400,000 pale' feld and the same day 5 nations attacked Israel.
Yes, 5 nations attacked Israel. But you must understand the background. The global Jewish community had begun to immigrate to Palestine illegally prior to its Decl. of Independence. When independence was declared Israel was soon attacked. I think this is a natural reaction, given the fact that a country is suddenly founded of the back of a pre-existing country. If foreigners were to set up a country in your backyard I think you would also object.
Pre -existing what?learn your history,it was not a country.Palestine was under the Ottoman empire rule.there were scattered arab tribes, and fewer jewish tribes.The first massive immigration took place in 1880 after a masscare against the jewish ppl of Russia. they didn't invade.They came and bought all those lands from the arabs.
In 1947 "Britain requests that the U.N. deal with the question of Palestine; U.N. General Assembly Resolution 181 calls for Palestine to be divided into a Jewish state (57% of Palestine), an Arab state (43% of Palestine), and an internationally controlled corpus separatum for Bethlehem and Jerusalem. At the time, Jewish land ownership was less than 7%". This contradicts your above post, where you claimed 60% went to Arabs, and 40% to Jews. Just thought I'd point out your error.
So, is it YOU who is going to tell you why someone hates? lolzz... dude.. you are watching too much of Fox News, CNN and reading too much into Neocon and Zionist propaganda machine which is as racist as was the Nazis. Hope you'd read more neutrally instead of being blinded and/or your conscience being silenced by any stupid propaganda machine out there. Study Islam yourself, there's no harm in that. :) Peace!
aatayyab 6 months ago
Didn't you just say exactly what Ron Paul said? lol
davitodude 3 years ago
I think it would be in the US national interest (based on cost-benefit not humanitarian) to send a nuke to Israel and ends the existence of this parasitic, apartheid, racist creature which has been sucking american dry for a while.
a0sn 3 years ago
The scenario is way simpler than that. Zionist pigs stole the arab lands 60 years ago and their only purpose since then has been to survive in an ocean of hate. Instead of making Concession with arabs, they have dragged US (and west in general) to the ocean of hate using the parasitic lobbies in US. This has caused islamolunatic hate US and it was one of the motivation for 911. please watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
a0sn 3 years ago
iran dont hate you BC you took over iraq iran loves you for that
ma11ohad 3 years ago
havent i seen you commenting on my videos?
i watched the mccain vid and recognised your login
random!
analihilator 3 years ago
Next time someone says Islamo Fascists this and that just ask them what do they have plans for Islacurly or Islalarry Fascists. God knows what'll happen if those two decide crazy people team up. Then point and laugh at their child like IQ for gulping down the Kool-aid for the last 6 years about the new threat to Israel...I mean U.S.
shiftstart 3 years ago
Good video.
southernavenger 3 years ago
Thanks much. I thoroughly enjoy your commentary. Appreciate you speaking out, and I think your style is very persuasive and effective.
KIDiotequeA 3 years ago
sorry that previouse comment was left by someone else actually i agree with you.
Torak100 3 years ago
your looking pale and sick, possibly you have hate issues well maybe this video has helped you release some of this
p.s.
your wrong
Torak100 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Well... do you think that "islamo-fascists" were angry about The 2003 occupation of Iraq, when Al-Quada attacked USA 9/11 2001??
Do you really think everything is about USA and its foreign policy?
Many in The islamic world simply hates all what is not like them, as many do in the western world and asian part of the world.
Get over all this "America is the centre of the world"-syndrom.
People not living in the USA does not have to live their lives in accordance to the almighty USA!
perkersvin123456 3 years ago
Did you watch the video? I pointed out a few examples of American intervention in the Middle east, dating back to 1953.
If you believe the official story, on September 11, 2001, we were attacked by 19 highjackers. 15 of which were Saudis. There sited reason for attacking us? The US bases in Saudi Arabia, and our refusal to allow them to guard their own oil fields.
I am for a non interventionist policy.
Do some research before you attempt to chastise someone.
KIDiotequeA 3 years ago
hahaha i guess they don't care to look at pre sept 11th, 2001.
There was a letter supposedly written by bin Laden which said 'we didnt attack you because we hate your FREEDom and that we did this because of your continued bases in saudi arabia, ties to & influence in these corrupt governments in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as well as aiding attcks on Lebanon in the 80's & continued support for Israeli 'atrocities' in Palestine. The letter said elect yourself a gov which looks to your interests.'
willyrobinson 3 years ago
when you have a huge country like the US you will always have terror it was around before 9/11. generally acts of terror killed 300 americans a year many were abroad.
I do not condone this. now it kills much more!
how ever I know that N.O.R.A.D. was running exercises on the day of 9/11 that were exactly the same senario as what occured.
does a (collective) of terrorists worth 2 millon really have the abilitie to hack N.O.R.A.D. and defeat a 400 millon dollor defence matrix of G to A missles?
robjbray 3 years ago
i would say the main reason they hate us is we back israel..and in doing so we ve displaced many native Palestinians in order to make way for american, european and russian jewish settlements on their native land and try to play it off like these jews have a right to do this..we criticise iran for developing a nuclear plant while israel has nuclear weapons.. we cite un resolutions for attacking iraq while israel violates un resolutions..we send israel billions in aid while we let africa starve
ihdk 3 years ago 5
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TrueScience 3 years ago
Good job man. Very intelligent response.
NY2216 3 years ago
Actually, you are very correct KID. When Russia tried to arm Cuba against the United States, we all most went to war with USSR even though it would have Cuba at fault if a nuke fired off at us. We should apply this same line of thought to our actions in the middle east. We can't do the stuff that we are doing over and not think that the muslims would want to retaliate.
rydar1978 3 years ago
By the way KIDiotequeA, an informed and enlightened video post, your video response equally as cool.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
Regelmihai, your figures are almost correct. You swapped the numbers. 40% was not given to the Jews and 60% not to the Palestinians. The figures are as follows: 57% to the Jews, 43% to Palestinians.
NicDM07 3 years ago
Thank you NicDM07.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
Christians in the US help fund the Israeli settlements in the West Bank.The UN, Amnesty International, and international court have all pushed for the stopping of these settlements.During the Lebanese War in 06, Israel used civilians as human shields and bombed schools and hospitals.They block food and electricity entering Gaza.Israel has left cluster bombs throughout Lebanon and has admitted the use of phosphorous bombs on Lebanon.They get weapons, incl. nuclear, from US.Israel=sponsors terror
NicDM07 3 years ago
My comments concerning U.S. foreign policy were directed at user: regelemihai and not of the publisher of the video "Islamo-Facists just hate US". Just needed to clear that up thanks.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
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read the islamic holy book, and then open your mouth you dumb white spoiled piece of shit, it's people like you who get this country into trouble, your mom and dad are probably to old hippies who raised you to believe that by accepting everything, you inspire love, gays are not accepted in Islam period, what does that have do to with foreign policy, honor killings what does have to do with foreign policy, you know what shut the fuck, up nobody wants to hear you period.
ihatetrash2007 3 years ago
read the islamic holy book, and then open your mouth you dumb white spoiled piece of shit, it's people like you who get this country into trouble, your mom and dad are probably to old hippies who raised you to believe that by accepting everything, you inspire love, gays are not accepted in Islam period, what does that have do to with foreign policy, honor killings what does have to do with foreign policy, you know what shut the fuck, up nobody wants to hear you period.
ihatetrash2007 3 years ago
read the islamic holy book, and then open your mouth you stupid white punk.
stompouthateorg 3 years ago
read the islamic holy book, and then open your mouth you dumb white spoiled piece of shit, it's people like you who get this country into trouble, your mom and dad are probably to old hippies who raised you to believe that by accepting everything, you inspire love, gays are not accepted in Islam period, what does that have do to with foreign policy, honor killings what does have to do with foreign policy, you know what shut the fuck, up nobody wants to hear you period.
ihatetrash2007 3 years ago
The radical muslim can not be dealt with by diplomatic talks. Their starting point of talk is YOUR DEAD OFF WITH YOUR HEAD. They don't respond to... GIVE PEACE A CHANCE , KUMBAYA , IMAGINE ALL THE PEOPLE BLAH BLAH BLAH.
computerpurple 3 years ago
I believe it isn't our intervention they hate, it is our freedom of speech which conflicts with the local rulers who rule by dictatorship. The imams tell the youth to hit the streets and chant hateful slogans against the West, but who do you think appoints/controls these imams? The rulers of these countries do. We back Egypt and Saudi Arabia because we want to counter Iran's influence, which is good. I am not sure whether we can trust them though, I guess the future wil tell us.
MatthewSteinberg 3 years ago
They hate us for our freedoms?? Ive made a video on this topic as well. If they are waging war on our freedoms..then they are winning. The Patriot act..Hr 1955, the suspension of Habeus Corpus and Posse Comitatus, etc...
KIDiotequeA 3 years ago
I don't agree with those laws, KIDiotequeA. But they do hate us for our freedom, it is dangerous for the grip their leaders have on their people and country. These laws your mentioned are dubious and possible threaten our freedom (even though they do not affect me being outside the USA). But they hate freedom because it threatens their hierarchy. I have a quote of a Malaysian prime-minister I wish to send you, I'll pm it to you.
MatthewSteinberg 3 years ago
@MatthewSteinberg That's quite an assumption. So they're cool with being bombed and having their resources exploited while they live in poverty? It's our freedom they hate. That's an extremely weak argument. Ever imagine yourself in their shoes? How would it make you feel? They are human after all.
rhth79 8 months ago
Is-Lame-O fascists? The neo-cons that lied us into wars for profits & oil riches & weapons sales etc made that term up. They needed an enemy for us to fear while our borders are open and they kill our economy and take away our freedoms. The war on terror is a massive scam.
eekdog2005 3 years ago 5
Great video, very well put.
Isaac707 3 years ago
oil and big money is what its all about
SPACE3200 3 years ago
For those of you who didn't check the man's profile and see his videos where he supported Ron Paul, I would chalk this video up to satire.
Seraph1087 3 years ago
I hate no man.
wasuretta 3 years ago
1%! 1%....
Please tell me you're joking.
Comapring a democaratic society to radical islamic terror cells is rediculous no matter what you say.
they are a scoiety that lives by the rules of 1000 years ago. How the hell can you make this comparison?
regelemihai 3 years ago
Comparing the ultradestructive capabilities of WW2 Germany and Russia to 5,000 guys who can barely afford to even COME here is even more ridicules. Plus, if they do hate us for loving Jesus, we'll literally have to kill every single Islamic man,woman,and child to prevent any more radicals from coming up. We can only win with a MUCH cheaper Defence.
You can also say that we live by the rules of 300 years ago...almost every single President was Christian.
Michaeluj 3 years ago
Islamic millitants and terror cells are so widespread we can't really know hoe many are there.and scuse' me.can't come here?9/11 rings a bell?
And there is absolutly no correlation between christians and muslims.you know that.
And I repeat:I don't embrace the Iraq war. It was stupid and wrong.I'm not advocating killing every single islamic child and woman.The only thing I'm saying is that it's rediculous to assign most of the blame on the U.S and almost none at all on blood thirsty terrorists.
regelemihai 3 years ago
15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi Arabian...our allies...the country we just got done having 40 billion dollars worth of arms deals with. One of Osama Bin Ladens cited reasons for attacking the US was that we stationed our military in Saudi Arabia to protect their oil fields. Im not making excuses for any murderers, but its important to look at motive.
If you do not advocate preemptive war with every muslim nation on earth (advocating such would make you crazy) Then what do you suggest?
KIDiotequeA 3 years ago
Non intervention seems to be the solution..not to mention we just cant afford to pay for this foreign policy on the backs of the lower and middle class anymore...it is killing our economy.
KIDiotequeA 3 years ago
9-11 was a one-time fluke. They had like 50 years to bomb us, but it took decades for them to arrive.
Fine, we'll just ignore thr funding of tyrants, invading of 3rd-world countries, a huge military all over the world...
So what do you suggest instead of the Iraq War? An unpassable virtual fence that can keep ANYONE out as well as a small group of agents peacefully looking for AlQueda units with the concent of the local governments?
Michaeluj 3 years ago
You would have to agree that U.S. foreign policy plays a major role in breathing hatred abroad. You've cited 9/11 as a testament to the will of the terrorists striking abroad. Since 14 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis why didn't the U.S. launch a large scale incursion into Saudi Arabia? None of the hijackers were Iraqi. And yet over 650,000 Iraqi civilians have died since the war began in 2003, and they had nothing to do with 9/11. Set emotion aside and try to embrace reality.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
You would have to agree that U.S. foreign policy plays a major role in breathing hatred abroad. You've cited 9/11 as a testament to the will of the terrorists striking abroad. Since 14 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis why didn't the U.S. launch a large scale incursion into Saudi Arabia? None of the hijackers were Iraqi. And yet over 650,000 Iraqi civilians have died since the war began in 2003, and they had nothing to do with 9/11. Set emotion aside and try to embrace reality.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
Is it ok to hate Ron Paul supporters from Singapore who are trying to tell us how to run our country?
theCommenteer 3 years ago
@ theCommenteer
You can hate anyone you want, just don't use my money or our soldiers to do it. That should apply to all the contries of the world.
dingusmungus 3 years ago
I dunno. Maybe Singapore needs its ass whipped.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
well they hate us for messing with their stuff, for killing their elected leaders and supporting their corrupt dictators - and the people that attack us today are the offspring of CIA missions in the 80's, remember the Russian Afghanistan war - their the Taliban and Al Qaeda originates from.
So the blame is to our western policies and nation building and nothing else.
Sideshowbobx 3 years ago
Yes, I agree that the Iraq war was adumb dumb idea. It was a tractical error, call what you will. But accsuing America for islamo fascism and death is just outlandish.
But I respect your opinion. Kepp em' coming you have great vids ;)
regelemihai 3 years ago
i got a nice link for you to demonstrate what your nice country has been doing to other countries,
go to video.Google and type in 'the war on democracy'
jeffsst 3 years ago
I have a nice link too that demonstrates how rediculous the anti-Israel statements are.
I'm not interested in going back and forth on this discussion. You're not gonna be able to change my mind and I'm sure I won't change yours. So this is a dead end.
regelemihai 3 years ago
i didnt say anything about israel. but yea fuck them... nothing against jews overall but many of those assholes in irael are crossing the line. IT IS NOT THEIR FUCKING COUNTRY! lets never forget that...
jeffsst 3 years ago
Of course not. It was always the arbs who controlled that region.
All of those jews should just...die! Granted, that country is like 1% in a sea of muslim countries...but heck...they don't deserve even that. I think they should all be deported somewhere or just killed.
regelemihai 3 years ago
...People who are killing indiscriminantly.even their own people.
I'm sorry I just don't buy that.
the Iranians killed marines when we weren't in Iraq, Al Qaueda bombed 2 american embassys when we weren't in Iraq, they bombed Yemen when we weren't in Iraq,they bombed NY city...when we weren't inIraq.
So you can see that the whole "occupation" argumet doesn't hold watr 100%.
regelemihai 3 years ago
Ummm...you do know that a lot more happened than Iraq over the last 50 years, right? Tyrants were funded, given soldiers, land was stolen, etc.
Michaeluj 3 years ago
and gulfwar 1 not to forget :)))
jeffsst 3 years ago
Mossadeq was a communist. The U.S was fighting the cold war at that time. So your oversimpifying it when you say "we armed extrimists"
Again(hate saying that)I don't disrespect you. You're well informed. But They WILL hate you no matter what you do.They are radicals. They don't want peace, or cooexistance.They want the distruction of anyone whose not muslim.
I come from Israel man...I went through it.
And just for the record, the thousads of dead in Iraq is the cause of insurgencies...
regelemihai 3 years ago
Technically we armed tyrants for fighting the Russians.
Michaeluj 3 years ago
Ever heard of the cold war?
The U.S along with churchill allied themselves with Stalin in order to fight the Nazis.
regelemihai 3 years ago
I can't tell if you're joking or that you seriously made one of the biggest mistakes of historical innacuracy, or if you're just paranoid with the thoughts of an entire war being faked and transformed in the history books to make it seem like Nazis were already dead and Stalin was our enemy.
Michaeluj 3 years ago
Okay...be a little more explicit in your next comment if you want me to understand you. It's late and I'm a little brain-dead right now.
regelemihai 3 years ago
The Cold War:WW2 is over. Nazis are dead. Russia and the US become Nuculer Superpowers. They can blow each other up in hours. The Cold War got it's name because neither side is familier with this new kind of warfare, and they don't know how to deal with it. All they did was keep their fingers on the buttons that'll destroy both countries. The US gave "assistance" to MidEast countries to ensure Russia's demise if one Power attacks. Look how close those countries are to Russia. Tyrants were paid.
Michaeluj 3 years ago
Dude...you just validated my point. In the last few sentences that is...
regelemihai 3 years ago
How does "The US gave "assistance" to MidEast countries to ensure Russia's demise if one Power attacks. Look how close those countries are to Russia. Tyrants were paid," validate your thesis on Radical Islam being the ONLY thing causing Terrorists to pop up? We PAID villians, who tortured their people, and the people knew who gave those guys the money they used to HURT them!! The Muslims followed the money! They want vengance and for America to get out of the MidEast.
Michaeluj 3 years ago
Yes radicals will typically be haters without good reason. However, you miss the larger point of how American foreign policy is empowering these radicals. To have power you must be given power, and this type of power comes from Middle Eastern foreign policy. People always want freedom and eventually enough will die for it to make it happen. The outside world is not letting Middle East culture evolve or destroy itself. They should.
BrockTee 3 years ago
Good point there :P
regelemihai 3 years ago
Thats non intervention mate. We're giving foreign aid to Israel, Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia...
All while our economy is on the verge of collapse..and what has our borrowed money bought us?
A broken military...
Im off to work guys, have a good one.
KIDiotequeA 3 years ago
yeah, I agree that financing Egypt and saudia ARbia is stupid.
However...in Israel's case is not the same. They are counting on the U.S support. Without you guys they are dead meat.
Good luck at work :)
I need to start writing a boring paper.
regelemihai 3 years ago
Financing Israel is the cost that the U.S. must sustain in order to maintain the capability of stirring shit in the middle east. The very formation of the state of Israel is illegal. Its subsequent attacks on the Palestinians is comparable to genocide. But the world ignores this, preferring to focus on things like Tibetan liberation from China. Tibet is only a province (not even autonomous) of China. Palestine was a COUNTRY torn apart by Israel with the backing of the Western World.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
genoside?...explain to me why? I'm getting really teed off by these comments. I lived there for 18 years. What kind of formal experience do you have with this subject? huh?
It's as legal as can be. The jewish ppl suffered through a lot, they have the right to have their own country, which is like 1% of land in a sea of muslim countries.
so sale your bullshit to someone else.
regelemihai 3 years ago
Allow me to explain why it is genocide. The latest conflict had 124 Palestinians killed whereas merely 3 Israelis died. Since 2000 - 2005 4604 Pales died; 1033 Israelis. Since 1948 I've seen figures as high as 2 million Palestinian deaths! Indeed the total area of Israel constitutes 1% of the land in a sea of muslim countries. But tell me how much of Palestine does it occupy? And how much land has it seized in subsequent wars and incursions that exceed the Palestinian Mandate of 1948?
ataragoogle 3 years ago
Ahem...and seized those teritories...why exactly? tell me... why did they seize them after 1948?
The casualties on the palestinian side is due to their own millitants hiding amonsgst the civilians, therefore commiting a double war crime under the 4th geneva convention: Both targeting innocent civilians(which Israel NEVER does) and hiding behind their own civilians.
regelemihai 3 years ago
So you agree with the fact that Israel have exceeded the Palestinian mandate. Going outside a mandate is illegal so I would imagine you agree with that too. If you compare the 1947 partition plan to a map of Israel/Palestine today you will notice glaring differences. In the SW a large chunk of Arab land was reduced to a mere strip (hence Gaza Strip). A whole area to the North was taken completely. And the West Bank's boundaries have also been compromised. To me, it looks like Israeli conquest.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
No...to me it looks like the outcome of a normal response to an unfair treatment.
The mandate would haven't they've been attacked, a nation of 600,000 ppl. How were they supposed to react? you blame them for reacting...how dare you?
regelemihai 3 years ago
In 1948, when Israel was attacked, a "normal response" would be for Israel to defend itself, to which I have no problem with. Israel goes much further, and gains control of 77% of British Mandatory Palestine, including some areas designated for the Palestinian Arab State. During the Deir Yassin massacre, 85% of the Palestinians were displaced and not allowed to return. Over 500 Palestinian villages destroyed! The second Arab-Israeli war was in 1967 where further settlements were established.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
You say that the Israeli military never targets civilians. I think you are gravely mistaken. You must only look to the Gaza massacre to realise the magnitude of Israeli warfare. But not only does it conduct civilian attacks; humanitarian attacks are also common e.g. cutting off essential power and water supplies to the occupied territories, only adding to the misery of the Palestinian civilians. All in response to a few Kassam rocket attacks, so ineffective, a headshot is needed to kill someone.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
The magnitude is again due to the fact that their millitant(who were voted by the "peace loving" ppl)radicals targent civilians while hiding amongst their own civilians. Of course there will be more civilian casualties on their side.
The millitary gets clearence from the state.they do not go and kill for the fuck of it.
Israel left the Gaza strip in 2005 so they can act accrodingly. what did they do? voted Hamas, and continued the reign of terror.
You will not win this argument my friend.
regelemihai 3 years ago
You say "Reign of terror". This an interesting phrase, but not surprisingly, is being misused by you, by Israel, and by the U.S. Israel is employing the same Bush rhetoric to justify its reign of terror unto the Palestinian people, whilst pursuing Islamic terrorists "hiding amongst their own civilians". I'm aware the IDF gets clearance from the State (and they DO kill for the fuck of it). So random and unfocused are their attacks that Amnesty has accused Israel of war crimes - point blank!
ataragoogle 3 years ago
Of course you know.You have evidence of Israeli soldiers killing for fun.Pure propaganda BS.Israel attacks after kasam rockets are launched on israeli cities,targeting innocents,which of course you are ok with.And you didn't refute the "hiding behind their civilians" claim,because you know it's true.That's how they act.That's the only way that can act actually.another fact is(like I've mentioned before)is that they are committing a double war crime under the 4th geneva convention.
regelemihai 3 years ago
Firstly, I wasn't referring to Israeli soldiers killing for the fun of it, I was referring to the State of Israel (Israeli Government etc). Secondly, I was being sarcastic. I simply followed up on what you said to make a point. Please do no say that I'm okay with killings carried out by Palestinian militants, as this is not the case. Tell me where are the Palestinian militants supposed to go, they reside in their communities!! But of course, you say they are hiding behind civilians.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
If you weren't implying so,I'm sorry.But to me it was a preety thick implication.
So, you claim you "are not ok" with it,but you proceed in the very next sentence to excuse their actions again. ohh-kay?
regelemihai 3 years ago
I have mentioned below some war crimes by Israel.I do not attempt to excuse any war crimes committed by any other country. Any war crimes and war in itself is disgusting to me.I merely wish to point out that Israel is not innocent in all of this, neither are Palestinians.I will say that the amount of times the UN and Amnesty have had to condemn Israel is staggering.Israel does not act solely to protect, but also to expand.EX:Olmert admitted to planning Lebanon War mths b4 soldiers kidnapped.
NicDM07 3 years ago
I am by no means a supporter of Olmert. This discussion is more focused on the general aspect of it.
I appreciate your balanced opinion and point of view.
regelemihai 3 years ago
Random and unfocused...you have all the facts of course.
You want real facts? huh? the truth of the matter is that although being under attack after leaving Gaza,they continued to treat over 14,000 palestinian casualties,provide 2500 tons of food to themand supply them with electricity(contrary to what you said).Yeah,some terrorists.
So random and unfocused that they've managed to deliberatly kill underground leaders with little or no other casulaties. ex: Ahmed Yasin in 2004.you have no facts
regelemihai 3 years ago
Real facts, eh? My sources are respectable. If you want to know more, here is a research project for you. Go to Amnesty International & search for "Israel Cuts Electricity & Food Supply to Gaza" (date: 1/21/08) OR BBC & search "Amnesty slams Israel 'war crimes'".
ataragoogle 3 years ago
A BBC report that condemns Israel, yeah, very unbiased indeed.
I have several sources saying differently.
So, you word is certainly not Final.
If you want more details, please tell me.
regelemihai 3 years ago
What about Amnesty? Is that not credible? What about this: "Gaza's border crossings with Israel completely closed today" from the UN website (2/1/08) or if you want "unbiased" news: Guardian "Amnesty report accuses Israel of war crimes" or the Washington Post "Israeli 'Economic Warfare' to Include Electricity Cuts in Gaza". Now what?
ataragoogle 3 years ago
I have wll street jurnal source that claims differently, so we can go back and forth all night.
"The fact that U.N. observers protected and defended guerilas who crossed a U.N.-certified border, using cars with U.N. license plates while under the cover of U.N. flags, was apparently of no consequence to UNIFIL."
regelemihai 3 years ago
Are you trying to discredit the UN? WOW! How pathetic! The Wall Street Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch, a scumbag who also owns Fox News and Sky News among many. I hardly consider any shit coming from him to be credible. What about the Washington Post? Is that credible? You still haven't stated your thoughts on Amnesty? Stop cherry-picking data. My data is from a myriad of sources.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
Lol fuck Amnesty International and the UN man. Why is Israel always condemned for whatever they do. Yet recently the UN refused to condemn the terrorist attack on a torah school in Jerusalem (lotsa kids died y'know). The UN condemns a little Islamcritical film by Wilders, yet why don't they condemn the daily nazi uploads on youtube? Yet why don't they condemn *every* hate movie coming from the Islamic world. The UN is centered around ciritizing Israel. You tell me that is credible?
MatthewSteinberg 3 years ago
Israel is always condemned for what they do because what they do amounts to war crimes and crimes against humanity, it's that simple. The UN also condemns Palestinian Kassam rocket attacks so I don't know what you're talking about. The UN has condemned the Wilders film because the film was made by a POLITICAL FIGURE in The Netherlands. Amnesty is an humanitarian group reporting events around the world, along with assisting those displaced by war. Dismissing them is ludicrous, and you know it!
ataragoogle 3 years ago
I am absolutely disgusted with your statements of hatred and misunderstanding.You attempt to discredit the UN,but what about Amnesty?There are no hate films making box office hits for a reason.ONLY petty YouTube hate videos appear,which are too many&unimportant that the UN should not ever respond.If they respond,they are pro-limiting speech.This new film is by a political figure:THAT's what's controversial.If they do not respond,they'll be accused of supporting such awful views.
NicDM07 3 years ago
hahaha,Just look at your comment and see who's cherry picking.Spewing biased bile against ruperb murdock is very intelligent of you.I can do the same about the UN which is also true.They condemn Israel,a nd do nothing whatsoever about true terrorism.
I have a source citing the geneva conventions and Hague conventions stating the Palestinian war crimes.
You have no fct my friend, and plus...you are hopelessly blind.
regelemihai 3 years ago
I live in Ireland, I see Sky News broadcasting on a daily basis (owned by Rupert Murdoch). During the Lebanon crisis it was clear to me what side of the fence Sky News had taken. They were criticizing Hizbollah for kidnapping 10 Israeli soldiers who were getting ready on the border to invade Lebanon. Their sympathetic approach toward the Israeli soldiers didn't convince me since Israel are the one's invading... again. So please, stop being stupid my friend regelemihai.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
I lived there 18 years of my life actually experiencing it.
What did you do besides reading some cutsie little Google artciles you find from BBC reports? Uhh yeah, thought so. Very foolish of you.
I have several other sources from not only the wall street jurnal, but from the geneva conv and the Hague conve, and U.S news. But I guess you'll somehow find a pathetique and cowardly way of discrediting those too. Priceless!
regelemihai 3 years ago
In your view every news media, every news article, every humanitarian organisation that has something bad to say about Israel, is completely biased and wrong. I've cited a myriad of sources, all of which, according to you, is "biased bile". You have yet to comment on Amnesty International... oh let me guess... also "biased bile". The Guardian, Washington Post, BBC, USA Today, MSNBC, the U.N. Amnesty... they're all lying? Wake up my friend :)
ataragoogle 3 years ago
I have sources too, but I guess those are all " right wing Rupert Murdock conspiratorial crap" ...I have sources from the Hague and Geneva conventions themslvbes! what more do you want? I have scholarly articles from different journals stating also different facts.You claim FOX is wrong because it deosn't fit your zealotry,but you have no doubt whatsoever about the BBC "information" who has a long history of hatered towards Israel.
Wake up my friend :)
Lets finish this,it's going nowhere.
regelemihai 3 years ago
I would certainly be happy to finish this one mate. Have a good one :)
ataragoogle 3 years ago
I've now found a Sky News article which condemns Israel over Gaza blockade: "Israel Under Fire Over Gaza Blockade". I agree that these kind of articles by Sky are rare, and are normally pro-Israeli. But they do exist. If I search Fox I'll probably find them as well. Also, on another note, there have been countless resolutions passed by the U.N. since the 50s that Israel have refused to abide to. Look them up. I would certainly hope you expand your sources and perhaps you'll see a clearer picture
ataragoogle 3 years ago
ohh nad one last thing I forgot to state:
Fox is so and so, but you cite MSNBC and BBC as unbiased news sources? lol, thanks for that!
Ciao. Have a nice one mate.
regelemihai 3 years ago
I've also seen articles in the LA Times, the Chicago Tribune... everywhere I look I see condemnation of Israel. Fox News IS NOT a news channel, it really isn't. Whenever I look at it, it reminds me of some kind of mediocre late night tv show, with opinions flying around all over the place (Sky is certainly not as bad; different target audience). Sir I would also invite your view on Amnesty International, something which you've avoided thus far, any particular reason?
ataragoogle 3 years ago
LOL...Fox news is not, but again, you manage to cite only the left wing radical columns...L.A times? Chcago tribune?...you manage to discredit your self by yourself.
But I agree, this would be a good point to stop.
I would suggest thoiugh, that you go visit Israel in the future and see the truth as it is,not through the eyes of your biased media source.(You have avoided thus far my sources,so...you can say what you want)
Then,maybe I'll consider your opinion as somewhat vaild.
regelemihai 3 years ago
I could also cite the New York Times (very reputable), but also very liberal so whatever they write won't be credible in your opinion. But what of the Washington Post, THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE newspaper and I have cited that before. How can my sources be biased if I cite both liberal and conservative media forms. Another interesting journalist you might want to look up is John Pilger, very critical analysis across a wide span of issues.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
I dunnoc what you found, but I found actuallt articles in the washington post that claim other things. Even the NY time(liberal) was criticized for "overblowing" the casulaity numbers on the Israeli side.
I suggest you might want to research Mortimer Zuckerman, an analyst an an editor in chief of U.S News.
But again....I'm sick of this argument. I though I might talk some sense into you,but to no avail.
Can we finally finish this please?
regelemihai 3 years ago
For some reason I cannot post links in these comments. Whenever I try to it fails to send. If it would work I would post the links of all the articles I've found. Similarly, I'm also sick of this argument, I also thought I might be able to talk some sense into you. But tis cool. Take it easy :)
ataragoogle 3 years ago
It's okay...I have expreince with it, your only experience is online sources,so...thanks but no thanks.
Bye.
regelemihai 3 years ago
Living in Israel isn't the right kind of formal experience. As NicDM07 has pointed out, living in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank will paint a clearer picture for you. Terror states, such as the U.S. and Israel, will naturally rally their own people behind a cause through the use of government spin in the media. Just look at the prelude to Iraq, Sadaam was repeatedly linked to Al-Qeada, and it was claimed he had WMD's. Those were blatant lies. But many people in U.S. believed it.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
Ataragoogle,John Pilger IS an EXCELLENT reporter who has been around the world working for various news agencies for decades.I also respect Anderson Cooper's coverage of the Lebanon War in which he visited both sides.The conflict continues in the region b/c no one wants to compromise.Muslims are not all extremists & Judaism doesn't equal Zionism.If Palestinians and Jews have a homeland w/strict borders,ONLY then will peace be possible.Compromise is necessary.Let's be an example2them &B friends;)
NicDM07 3 years ago
Your every response does you no credit sir. And why you refuse to respond with respect to Amnesty International is obvious. You can find no way to bad mouth or discredit them, in fact, you do not dare. With respect to visiting Israel, I know of Israelis who disagree with how their government is handling the Palestinian/Israeli crisis (no one hears their voices). Similarly I've heard Palestinians denouncing Pal militants who attacking Israel.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
I agree with Ataragoogle that he has used many news sites to back his argument(some of which YOU deem biased).The best source for information on this topic is a visit to Lebanon,WestBank,or Gaza b/c most violence is in THOSE areas.However I find this debate over whose source is more credible to be shying away from the issue.Israel&Palestinians ARE responsible for humanitarian disaster.I will be joining Amnesty in the fall.Amnesty helps those in need,condemning ALL wrong doings.They ARE Credible.
NicDM07 3 years ago
I cited sources too in case you haven't seen.
And sorry,but I lived there my whole life.Just like I told that guy,I have firsthand expereince,and with all due respect,more than you will ever have.
But again...at least you are a little more balanced in your condemnation. I appreciate that.
regelemihai 3 years ago
When the british mandate was over and the state of Israel was founded, 40% was given to the jews(in total there were 600,000..too much ha?) and 60% to the arabs. Israel,although being mistreated, agreed to these terms and,as you know, "held its hand for peace"...what did they do?400,000 pale' feld and the same day 5 nations attacked Israel.
Fantastic!
regelemihai 3 years ago
Yes, 5 nations attacked Israel. But you must understand the background. The global Jewish community had begun to immigrate to Palestine illegally prior to its Decl. of Independence. When independence was declared Israel was soon attacked. I think this is a natural reaction, given the fact that a country is suddenly founded of the back of a pre-existing country. If foreigners were to set up a country in your backyard I think you would also object.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
Pre -existing what?learn your history,it was not a country.Palestine was under the Ottoman empire rule.there were scattered arab tribes, and fewer jewish tribes.The first massive immigration took place in 1880 after a masscare against the jewish ppl of Russia. they didn't invade.They came and bought all those lands from the arabs.
Stop misguiding.
comapring a country to a backyard is foolhardy.
regelemihai 3 years ago
In 1947 "Britain requests that the U.N. deal with the question of Palestine; U.N. General Assembly Resolution 181 calls for Palestine to be divided into a Jewish state (57% of Palestine), an Arab state (43% of Palestine), and an internationally controlled corpus separatum for Bethlehem and Jerusalem. At the time, Jewish land ownership was less than 7%". This contradicts your above post, where you claimed 60% went to Arabs, and 40% to Jews. Just thought I'd point out your error.
ataragoogle 3 years ago
Yes, I rounded the numbers. I apologize for that.
regelemihai 3 years ago
Did you listen to the video mate? I advocate an non interventionist foreign policy. I want out of Iraq now, I dont want to go to war with Iran...
KIDiotequeA 3 years ago
You are young enuf to join the army and fight instead of sitting on your arse in front of a camera and ranting.
Vamonos browny!
iplstas 3 years ago
Why would I fight in a war that is only having a detrimental effect on my country?
KIDiotequeA 3 years ago
Fight for what exactly?
BrockTee 3 years ago