I support what my dad had to do at Bougainville. I still don't know what happened. He wouldn't tell me as his daughter, but it was REALLLY BAD. That is what our US Marines do. They did what they had to do. Dad didn't talk about it. So we blame him? No. I honor my dad. Don't ya'll ever talk bad about my Dad. He's my Hero. Semper Fi. Joseph Aloyisous Nauer, Jr. United States Marine. I love my father and a support the United States of America, and I will until the day that I die.
If you knew anything about the laws of probability to begin with, youd know that a force of 40,000 highly deployable elite infantrymen wont be everywhere at every fucking glance. Whereas a force of 400,000 men can occupy 10x the ground. I say occupy not assault, since the army is like a logistical sloth, its capabilities will never overlap those of the USMC.
@projectmayhem79 Why was it necessary to commit Army divisions to Saipan, Guam and Peleliu in WWII. The reason was that the Japanese had stopped the Marines cold and they needed reinforcing to win their battles.
Marines fought at Trenton period. There were two battles. Same like what happened at Fallujah where the army was made minor contributions. As far as Marines not fighting for their reputation or always out there to slander the army, look up Nasirayah. That woulve been remembered as the first Iraqi victory over the us army if we didnt stick our necks out for your stupid POGs that got ambushed and re-written how the battle would be remembered.
@projectmayhem79 You show you are unaware of how fictional your traditions are. You celebrate 236 years of "continuous" service, oblivious of the fact that no Marine Corps existed between 1783 and 1798.
@projectmayhem79 So tell me what was the Marine Corps doing between 1783 and 1798. According to Marine Corps history, the Continental Marine Corps was disbanded in April of 1783. The US Marine Corps was not established until July of 1798. The Marine Corps never celebrated November 10 1775 as its birthday, actually, until the early 1920's.
@projectmayhem79 If you understood history, you would recognize what I have said, that the Army, for all its disasters, has a longer, much more illustrious history than the Marine Corps. Marines like you are so much invested in defending Marine Corps fiction as history, you are incapable of recognizing or handling the truth. If you did, you would not be resorting to name calling.
@exarmydoc haha aw did i hurt your feelings with the name calling? i doubt you were in the army if you cant even handle a little name calling UNDISCIPLINED FUCK
@projectmayhem79 I can handle the name calling, considering the amount I have been subjected to. I just do not respect people who resort to name calling because they can't handle the truth.
so far this century, we've taken Fallujah and stole the attention once again, pacified Al Anbar, got done with Iraq and in accordance with the rules that determine deployments of fire brigades, we were transfered 100% from a completed war to the hottest zones of Afghan. to steal the show there - Marjah.
While the army is still cleaning up the wreckage we left in Iraq. The army has more troops in Iraq doing jack and shit than we do actually taking villages in Helmand.
@Sturmmann Just a question about that - Being not a military man myself, but is that the arranged plan(s) of our present military strategy,(Having Marines doing the fighting, and soldiers doing the cleanup, then US tax dollars being wasted. I say let the iraqi military do that job.
Any elite portion of the Army (like the Rangers or such) should be rolled into the Marine corps for related duties.
rangers are not heavy infantry, they are not expeditionary and need the congress' permission for peacetime deployment. The Marines never have since 1775.
The war in Iraq has been over for a while now, the Iraqi Army stepped up to the plate, and the Marine Corps left in 2009
@Sturmmann Indeed, and knowing what you've mentioned regarding the US Army, basically doing jack and shit, it seems like a HUGE waste of tax dollars to even deploy them anywhere where real military might as far as ground troops (especially) would be needed.
@gblueslover2 What? Army doing jack shit? Are you stupid or do you buy the fake history the Marine Corps spouts to its boots? Being a former Marine grunt myself (yes former) I find your comment idiotic beyond belief.
@yourdaddy20192 I didn't author this original statement within these threads. I admit, I wasn't there watching what the Marines did vs the Army. I think your agrument is with the original author of that statement, sir.
Im gonna say this one last time. Eaton was a diplomat and a navy agent, not an active duty soldier.
He got shot in the wrist when all the fighting commenced, it was the Marines that charged in coordination with naval gunfire to break the deadlock on the harbor battery. Obanon kept charging until he planted the flag above the fort of Derne, it was Eaton. The Bashaw ended the mutiny earlier during the march, it wasnt Eaton.
@projectmayhem79 Actually I do respect the Marines, probably more than you do because, thanks to my interest in history, I know more about the Marines than you do.
@projectmayhem79 I say this as a sign of respect for those who get shot at, including you. There is no way I would have ever chosen to be a front line infantrymen. I point out your fiction because you disrespect the millions of Soldiers who have served as front line infantrymen and who have done most of the work required to win this country's wars.
I got plenty of real life experiences because I actually fought next army people that were attached to us. During field ops all they wanted to do was break down their vehicles so they could go back to the FOBs and join the friends in the fucking chow halls. This isnt professionalism. I didnt see a single army vehicle patrolling my roads, seeing as how the army strategy wasnt to stay out in the field and get dirty like the Marines were doing. No wonder they got lit up
As far as raids on Nassau being useless, thats not true. Not all valuable targets were well defended. The first raid bagged about a 100 pieces of cannon, 40,000 musket shot and 36 casks of powder.
The 2nd one in 1778 ended in 30 POWs being freed, 5 ships captured and 1600lb of black powder captured for no one else but Georgy Washington.
@USMarineRifleman0311 The munitions captured in the first raid on Nassau went to fitting out the Continental Navy. The Continental navy commissioned 65 ships, 54 of which were sunk or captured by the end of the war. If there had been no Continental Army in 1778, what would have been the usefulness of raiding Nassau. You admit the only meaningful thing the Marines did in the Revolution was to support the Continental Army
@USMarineRifleman0311 "And 1778 was a bad year for George...". No it wasn't. He improved the morale and combat capability of the Continental Army, thanks to the exertions of Von Steuben. He handled the British Army rather roughly at Monmouth and chased them back to New York. All the British victories in 1777 achieved nothing.
@exarmydoc ahahaha Marines dont have to claim anything from the army,Marines are much prouder and disciplined than any soldiers and MARINES HAVE NEVER EVER JUST SAT BY WHILE SOLDIERS DID THE FIGHTING THATS LAUGHABLE MARINES RUN TO THE SOUND OF THE GUN
@projectmayhem79 Check you history of the Defense of the Philippines in 1941-1942. Check Marine Colonel Robert Heinl's Soldiers of the Sea. In the Philippines, the 4th Marine Regiment remained on Corregidor while Army troops defended Bataan. Which is why, as a retired Army officer I found Mr, Chuck Lawliss' description of Batann really offensive. It was a gross example of a Marine Corps admirer trying to steal Army Valor for the Marine Corps.
@projectmayhem79 "youre not debunking anything oldman youre just further proving soldiers are jealous of MARINES AND WILL FOREVER LIVE IN OUR SHADOWS"
Contrary to what deluded Marines believe, the Army never has and never will live in the shadow of the Marines. What did the Marines do in the Revolution to establish the Independence of the US - the answer is nothing, Every time the Marines try to take credit for what the Army has accomplished it tries to steal Army Valor.
@exarmydoc The army believes in having the best tools and Marines believe in having better Men. the army is over 1 million strong whiles Marins are only 200,000 strong. The US marines shot more rounds in training than the US army has in training and combat. thts say something. that marines are far better trained shooters
@projectmayhem79 "'They (Marines) have given us our only real fight." Commanding Officer of the British, War 0f 1812'". MARINE CORPS DISTORTION OF THE FIRST ORDER! the "They" to whom MG Robert Ross and Admiral George Cockburn were referring were Commodore Joshua Barney's flotillamen. They never mentioned the Marines.
“Do not attack the First Marine Division. Leave the yellowlegs alone. Strike the American Army.” Orders given to Communist troops in the Korean War; shortly afterward, the Marines were ordered to not wear their khaki leggings.
@projectmayhem79 The Army defeated the Republican Guard Armor with their tanks and APCs while the Marines were using their bayonets on Iraq's second line forces.
@projectmayhem79 The Marines claim to have taken Chapultepec in the Mexican War. They did not. The troops who took Chapultepec were soldiers, not Marines.
@projectmayhem79 The Marines claim that they assaulted and captured the castle of Chapultepec, for example. According to Marine Corps sources, what the Marines did mostly at the Halls of Montezuma was guard the Army supply wagons while the Army fought the Battles. In the assault on Chapultepec, the Marines got stopped short of the walls of Chapultepec. They then held their position and fired on the walls of the Castle. Soldiers scaled the walls and captured the Castle.
@projectmayhem79 The Marines did not do so on Bataan. The 4th Marines sat on Corregidor while Army troops short of just about everything fought the Japanese. That did not stop the Marines from trying to take credit for defending Bataan.
"The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!"
Eleanor Roosevelt, First Lady of the United States, 1945
@projectmayhem79 Why do the Marines claim General Pershing did not want the Marines in the AEF but then quote General Pershing as being a big admirer of the Marines?
@projectmayhem79 Unfortunately, in the early 1950s, the Marine Corps was incapable of fielding another division. It took them weeks just to get one division into the field. That is why Army Divisions, in spite of their defeats, bore the brunt of defending Korea. If the Army had been left out, if the Defense of Korea had been left up to the Marines, there would be no South Korea today.
@exarmydoc lol just face it oldman the MARINES have a prouder tradition a richer culture tougher training theres over a million soldiers and about 230,000 active marines and they still kick more ass alot of those quotes were made from army generals themselves
@projectmayhem79 Considering the Marines did not come into existence until 5 months after the Army, considering the Army has always been in existence while no Marine Corps existed between 1783 and 1798, considering the Army, in spite of its defeats, has borne and continues to bear the brunt of establishing and maintaining this country's independence, the Army has a longer and much more illustrious history than the Marines, Where were the Marines at Saratoga and Yorktown?
@projectmayhem79 Considering the Marines did not come into existence until 5 months after the Army, considering the Army has always been in existence while no Marine Corps existed between 1783 and 1798, considering the Army, in spite of its defeats, has borne and continues to bear the brunt of establishing and maintaining this country's independence, the Army has a longer and much more illustrious history than the Marines, Where were the Marines at Saratoga and Yorktown?
@projectmayhem79 Considering the Marines did not come into existence until 7 months after the troops who became the Army started fighting, considering the Army has always been in existence while no Marine Corps existed between 1783 and 1798, considering the fact that the Army, for all its defeats, has borne and continues to bear the brunt of establishing and maintaining this country's independence, the Army does have a longer and more illustrious history than the Marines.
@exarmydoc Marine Boot camp. 13 weeks army Basic: 9 weeks. Marine riflemen training shots: 500m army: 300m Marine snipers train for: 9weeks army snipers train for 5weeks Marines snipers shoot to: 1,000m stationary and moving targets army snipers: 800m Marines kick ass: since 1775 army kicks ass: not in the past 20yrs Army Nickname: POG Marines Nickname; DEVIL DOG Army Cry-hooah Marine Battle Cry :OORAH MARINES DRESS SHARPER DRESS BLUES MARINES ARE AMERICAS 911 FORCE
@projectmayhem79 Prouder tradition? Hardly. What were the Marines doing when the Army was winning the Battles of Trenton and Princeton, the most crucial battles in American History. Whatever the Marines were doing at New Orleans, they were not doing anything critical. Where were the Marines at Gettysburg, Vicksburg, Appamatox? Where were the Marines at Normandy, Sicily, Anzio, Salerno, Torch? What were the Marines doing at the Halls of Montezuma? Guarding supply wagons.
@exarmydoc ahaha Whatever helps you sleep at night you old fuck,It takes over a million soldiers for the army to be tough while there are very few Marines .stick to watching your little train videos and playing with your little trains grandpa America takes more pride in its Marines than anyone else
@projectmayhem79 America may take more pride in the Marines but that is only because, paraphrasing Harry Truman, the Marines have a propaganda machine as proficient as Stalin's. Check your history. The Marines have not accomplished a lot of what they say they have.
@exarmydoc This is my last comment to you oldman ,atleast i serve my country PROUDLY and so do my fellow marines youre a historian wannabe who never served you live in your history text books WISHING YOU HAD THE BALLS TO SERVE
@projectmayhem79 Whether or not you believe I served is irrelevant. What is obvious is that you can not refute any of the examples I have given of the Marine Corps embellishing its history and claiming credit for what the Army accomplishes. And it really angers you that someone does not buy into Marine Corps propaganda.
@projectmayhem79 "his is my last comment to you oldman ,atleast i serve my country PROUDLY and so do my fellow marines youre a historian wannabe who never served you live in your history text books WISHING YOU HAD THE BALLS TO SERVE"
@projectmayhem79 Don't waste your time with "exarmydoc" He's just trolling for responses from real men (marines) for kicks. He's jealous of those who were able to get in the corps when he couldn't.
@projectmayhem79 The Marines claim they relieved the Diplomatic legations in China in the Boxer Rebellion. An international military force relieved the legations. The American contribution was 2500 men. Only 500 of them were Marines.
@projectmayhem79 In 1944, the Army's 105th Infantry defeated the largest, fiercest suicide attack the Japanese ever launched in WWII. Marines claim a Marine artillery battalion stopped the attack. Actually, that Battalion, 3/10 Marines was driven from the field with the loss of all their guns and subsequently rescued by an Army regiment which also recovered their guns. It is a gross example how the Marines distort their history.
@exarmydoc Thank you all BullShit aside im sorry i insulted you im just VERY DEFENSIVE about my Marine Corps me and all of my brothers that i met at boot camp suffered alot to earn the title Marine THEY ARE MY FAMILY
@projectmayhem79 Pay no attention to the loser that posts on here as "exarmydoc".
If you do a google search on this moron, you'll see he posts the exact same crap all over the internet, trolling for responses from marines. Obviously, he tried to get in, and was rejected by the corps, and has been bitter about it ever since.
@projectmayhem79 Actually, whether youbelieve it or not, I do know better than most people what kind of risks you take and sincerely salute you for it.
@projectmayhem79 Still it was the US Army which played the major role in defeating Germany in Europe while the Marines took out isolated, outnumbered garrisons of Japanese and suffering heavy casualties in the process. History does not back up that claim. The Marines got their divisions shot up by applying the same strategy to Tarawa, Peleliu and Iwo Jima.
@projectmayhem79 Why is the Marine Corps the only service which has to list quotes praising it in order to make a case for itself. Why do the Marines claim credit for what other services have done, like holding off the British at Bladensburg.
@exarmydoc btw youre the one here on the Marine video you must be a fan,you must also be jealous aswell being you spend all your time trying to diminish what Marines have done undisciplined old fuck,Tell me about current warfare not wars from the 17oos
@projectmayhem79 What I object to is the way the Marines embellish their history, the way the Marines disrespect the Army, and particularly the way the Marines try to credit themselves with what the Army accomplished. I say again, when the Marine Corps claims for itself credit for Army accomplishments(e.g.Chapultepec) it engages in stealing Army Valor.
@projectmayhem79 "[I] spend all your time trying to diminish what Marines have done." What have the Marins done? In all the wars of the 20th Century including WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, the first Gulf War and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Army has done most of the work. The Marine Corps has never played the important role in any of this country's wars, including the Pacific in WWII. Marines have won only two battles on their own, Tarawa and Iwo Jima each at the cost of excessive casualties.
@exarmydoc ahahaha youre delusional old man the army is made up of a bunch of fat undisciplined fucks you guys you will always live in the MARINES SHADOWS NO MATTER WHAT
@projectmayhem79 So why does the Marine Corps try to claim credit for what the Army has accomplished, fighting at Trenton, capturing Chapultepec, defending Bataan, saving Korea, winning the Battle of New Orleans, among others.
@exarmydoc Plus i doubt you ever served so sit down and shut up stick to reading your little history books because you sound like a historian not a soldier
@exarmydoc "youre not debunking anything oldman youre just further proving soldiers are jealous of MARINES AND WILL FOREVER LIVE IN OUR SHADOWS". The Army never has and never will live in the shadow of the Marine Corps. If the Army was living in the shadow of the Marine Corps, the Marines would not be trying to steal Army valor for their own.
Pay no attention to the loser that posts on here as "exarmydoc".
If you do a google search on this moron, you'll see he posts the exact same crap all over the internet, trolling for responses from marines. Obviously, he tried to get in, and was rejected by the corps, and has been bitter about it ever since.
@matthew212 A lot of those who are in the Marines claim credit for the Marines for things the Marines have not done, like taking Chapultepec, fighting in the Battle of Trenton, winning the Battle of New Orleans, defending the Philippines in 1941-1942.
I take pride in the fact that my generation has fully turned the tide against the army. Now our bootcamp is longer than ever, our standards dont waiver. We're rejecting applicants left and right during war time as the army is still takin in all our rejects.
You could leave the army as an E5 right now but if you want to be a Marine, you have to go back to E2 and go through bootcamp.
All of this for a force that according to you never fought anywhere
@Sturmmann I point out, in the first Gulf War, US Army troops took on Iraq's best trained and best equipped units. The Marines, who did justly receive General Schwarzkopf's admiration, fought a diversionary action against Iraq's second line troops. A factor in their success was the Army's Tiger Brigade, an armored brigade of the 2nd Armored Division which took out what Iraqi armor which faced the Marines. That does not say that the Marines have "fully turned the tide" against the Army.
@Sturmmann The fact that most of the troops bleeding and dying in Afghanistan are Soldiers does not say the Marines have "fully turned the tide" against the Army
@Sturmmann There was a statistic I found on the web some months ago and I can not recall the URL. That statistic was that the number of soldiers who served multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan exceeded the total strength of the Marine Corps. That does not say that the Marines have "fully turned the tide" against the Army.
@Sturmmann Pay no attention to the loser that posts on here as "exarmydoc".
If you do a google search on this moron, you'll see he posts the exact same crap all over the internet, trolling for responses from marines. Obviously, he tried to get in, and was rejected by the corps, and has been bitter about it ever since.
@Sturmmann I never said the Marine Corps never fought anywhere. I take exception to the Marine Corps claiming to have fought where it did not, or taking credit for what it did not do, such as fighting in the Battle of Trenton, defeating the British at New Orleans, capturing Chapultepec in the Mexican War.
Exarmydoc...... Cmon.... The army and the marines might have duffrwnces... But ur both badasses wen ur toghether!! Semper fi!! As soon as im off high school!
Pay no attention to the loser that posts on here as "exarmydoc".
If you do a google search on this moron, you'll see he posts the exact same crap all over the internet, trolling for responses from marines. Obviously, he tried to get in, and was rejected by the corps, and has been bitter about it ever since.
Pay no attention to the loser that posts on here as "exarmydoc".
If you do a google search on this moron, you'll see he posts the exact same crap all over the internet, trolling for responses from marines. Obviously, he tried to get in, and was rejected by the corps, and has been bitter about it ever since.
Pay no attention to the loser that posts on here as "exarmydoc".
If you do a google search on this moron, you'll see he posts the exact same crap all over the internet, trolling for responses from marines. Obviously, he tried to get in, and was rejected by the corps, and has been bitter about it ever since.
the Marines played a small part at Bladensburg, New Orleans and Ft McHenry. The Army takes most of the credit for America's worst defeat with the burning of Washington. Thats a lesson in responsibility and a single instance where even the USMC wont claim they are fully responsible, eventough they stood their ground until the army units on their flanks were outflanked.
Camden and Bladensburg are exactly what describes the gagglefuck that is the us army.
@Sturmmann Did the US get knocked out of the war after Washington fell? No. Would that have happened if Baltimore had fallen? Probably yes. Baltimore was more important to the country in terms of commerce and strategic value than Washington. Did Baltimore fall? No. Who repelled the British at Baltimore? It was the Army, not the Marines.
Marines made their presences at both Bladensburg and Baltimore, in the 19th century means, they made an all out effort to be there despite their small size. The small size of all Marine forces world wide at that time (like in UK today) is the blame of none other than the overall naval leadership.
Nevertheless, decent answer on the burning of Washington.
@Sturmmann Who salvaged the situation in the Carolinas after the Battle of Camden? Not the Marines. Army General Nathaniel Greene took over the Southern Army and restored its ability to fight. He then conducted a campaign which, in spite of tactical defeats, caused the British to withdraw from the Carolinas. Cornwallis' "victory" at Guilford Courthouse so damaged his army he withdrew to Virginia and ultimately wound up at Yorktown.
@Sturmmann In spite of the posturing of Marine Corps apologists, the US Army has a much more extensive history and has been much more important to the security of the US than has the Marine Corps. I guess that is why Marine apologists try to claim credit for the Marine Corps for what the Army has accomplished, e.g. capturing Chapultepec Castle in the Mexican War.
Apologists? Do you realize that 90% of the army itself isnt aware of Chapultapec, we're the only ones that are paying closer attention to our battles. Judging 19th and 18th century warfare when Marines were merely shore party coast guard type troops and comparing them to their 20th century counterparts is simply stupid, and youre doing more of that than actual USMC historians are.
I'll make a blog that states that everything from Trenton to Omaha as a Marine effort, hell I'll even claim the battle of the little big horn was a Marine action.
just to keep you pissed.
We're the nation's elite force now, its set in stone. We've taken over from the army for good in the past 20yrs.
@Sturmmann In the Military, claiming credit for something one did not actually do is considered stolen valor. If you want to post a blog on behalf of the Marine Corps which indulges in stealing Army valor for the Marine Corps, feel free.
stolen valor is reserved for people that benefit having acted as imposters of veterans to get veterans benefits. Not for embellishing history. Ive already helped put away a good number of violators on those grounds.
@USMarineRifleman0311 Marine Corps apologists who claim credit for the Marine Corps for what the Army accomplished are indulging in a form of stolen valor.
@Sturmmann Chapultepec was not one of the Marines' battles, regardless of what is claimed. In the campaign for Mexico City, most of the time while Soldiers were fighting, Marines were guarding the Army's supply wagons.
@Sturmmann "Apologists? Do you realize that 90% of the army itself isnt aware of Chapultapec, we're the only ones that are paying closer attention to our battles." With regard to Chapultepec, you do more than pay attention. You claim credit for the victory. According to Marine Corps sources, the Marine Battalion held its position and fired on the walls of Chapultepec while Soldiers scaled the walls and took the fortress.
The only force the British could fear consistently since 1776 was the combined USN and USM team, not the American land army. The US Navy has had a 3/4 track record while the USA forces couldnt even win half of the battles during the war of 1812.
Washington DC shouldve been positioned at Plattsburg or Lake Erie where it couldve atleast been defended, cause we saw how fit for the job the army was in the defense of the capital 2 wars in a row.
@Sturmmann Pay no attention to the loser that posts on here as "exarmydoc".
If you do a google search on this moron, you'll see he posts the exact same crap all over the internet, trolling for responses from marines. Obviously, he tried to get in, and was rejected by the corps, and has been bitter about it ever since.
@Sturmmann Neither General Ross nor Admiral Cockburn mentioned the Marines after Bladensburg, not exactly indicating theBritish had any particular fear of the Marines in the War of 1812. In spite of the defeats, in the Revolution and in the War of 1812, it was Army victories which maintained the integrity of the US. Contrary to Marine Corps claims, the Marines did not play a crucial part of New Orleans. The site for Young Marines claims the Marines won New Orleans.
@Sturmmann The Royal Navy had no fear of the Continental Navy. With the exception of a few like John Paul Jones, John Barry, John Young(I bet you do not know who he is), Continental Navy captains were not at all notable. The Continental Army's battles against the British Army are what coerced Great Britain to recognize the US as independent. Had there been no independent US, there would have been no US Navy or US Marine Corps. You owe your existence to what the Army did in the Revolution.
@Sturmmann "Washington DC shouldve been positioned at Plattsburg..." If you really knew the history of the War of 1812, you would know that Army troops defeated an British attempt to capture and destroy Commodore Chauncey's base at Plattsburg.
@exarmydoc OOPS. I should have said that Army Troops prevented the British from capturing and destroying Commodore Chauncey's base at Sacketts Harbor of Lake Ontario. Are you claiming credit for the Marines for the repulse of the British at Plattsburg? There were no Marines at Plattsburg. Thomas MacDonough's so called Marines were soldiers from Alexander Macomb's Army.
@exarmydoc ahahahah anyone can get into the army the standards arent as high as the Marines thats why there are over 1million army soldiers face it even the name is better MARINES nicknames Devildogs soldiers POGS
@projectmayhem79 There is a bit of doubt that the Germans ever referred to the Marines as Devil Dogs. The German the Marines quote is not proper German.
I do not doubt that the Marines cast slurs on the Army. That only shows how much the Marines want to grab Army Valor for their own.
@projectmayhem79 It wasn't a joke on Bataan where Army troops fought a desperate 4 month battle against the Japanese while the Marines sat on Corregidor, then wanted the same recognition the Army got. Marines complained when General MacArthur did not recommend the 4th Marines for a unit citation. They never say anything that the Marines in the Philippines did not fight like the Army did.
that doesnt change the fact that washington went up in flames and the nation's main arms bearers were unable to defend the coastlines from invasion.
Same shit led to our defeat in Vietnam. Instead of enacting a full on naval blocade of the country and all its suppliers, we followed the army's plan. Same shit happened during the War of 1812. The US army cant handle the enemy in its own backyard, theres nothing Marines are jealous of, we fought them in their own waters and won.
that doesnt change the fact that washington went up in flames and the nation's main arms bearers were unable to defend the coastlines from invasion.
Same shit led to our defeat in Vietnam. Instead of enacting a full on naval blocade of the country and all its suppliers, we followed the army's plan. Same shit happened during the War of 1812. The US army cant handle the enemy in its own backyard, theres nothing Marines are jealous of, we fought them in their own waters and won.
@Sturmmann The British made three major incursions into US territory in the War of 1812, Plattsburg, the Chesapeake, and New Orleans. Each incursion was repelled with significant loss of life to the invaders, including many high ranking leaders. The Army repelled the invaders with little help from the Marines, just like the Army won the Revolution with little help from the Marines. Keep fighting. I intend this as a compliment. In my life I often spoke up for my beliefs and I admire you for it.
you keep bringing up the 1/4 of victories won by usa's land army and denying Marines any credit for them.
The US army won the revolution? With the help of the French navy and funding yeah. I wouldnt want to know what wouldve happened if the British reinforcements were allowed to land at Yorktown without French help.
Hell, Yorktown itself goes down as a French intimidation victory, the us army was just there to watch the fireworks and take prisoners as a navy won the day.
@USMarineRifleman0311 Good Morning. I do not deny the vital role the French played in the Revolution. It was more vital than anything the Marines did. Why did the French come into the war on the side of the US. Because the Continental Army defeated Burgoyne at Saratoga. Where were the Marines at Saratoga.
"Where were the Marines at Saratoga" statements like these truly take away from your credibility. Ive told you 5 times over now that 19th century and prior era Marines were the size of the modern day coast guard. They served a specialized purpose. Same as rifle companies or cavalry units of an army. We werent a self sufficient expeditionary force till after WW2.
@USMarineRifleman0311 The US Marine Corps claims the US Marine Corps has been at the forefront of every American war. Do you deny that the victory at Saratoga was significant to the outcome of the Revolutionary War?
The US Marine Corps has fulfilled its purpose to the extent of its ability in every assignment as it related to it and its type of service. From Penobscot to Nassau. We had no reason to be in at Saratoga, Bunker hill or Long Island.
But when we did fight on land, we didnt loose 5 men for every redcoat killed like during the invasion of canada in 1776. Nor did we ever surrender en masse because of our raiding party status in infantry doctrine of the time. We didnt stick around
@USMarineRifleman0311 "But when we did fight on land, we didnt loose 5 men for every redcoat killed like during the invasion of canada in 1776." When the Marines did fight on land at Princeton, the Marine Battalion, numbering 141 men, took 60 casualties, disbanded, and most of the survivors volunteered for the Continental Army rather than stay with the Marines.
I love how you speak of this continental army as a band of fanatics with an awesome battle record when they were about to totally call the revolution off before Trenton happened where they surprised a few drunk Hessians.
It makes sense that Marines made up 100% of the casualties at Princeton, all 40 of them, or as some sources says 25.
@USMarineRifleman0311 Read "Washington's Crossing". The Hessian brigade at Trenton numbered 1500 men and they were not drunk. The important thing about Trenton is that the Army did win the Battle and that kept the Revolution going. Nothing the Marines did in the Revolution had as much impact, your fantasies notwithstanding.
@USMarineRifleman0311 If you knew your revolutinary war history you wiud know that British troops did surrender to Continental troops. The 1977 won loss record is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the Continental Army stayed in the field and was ready to fight again. That is what brought the French into the war. The French aided the Continental Army. The Marines did not
@USMarineRifleman0311 But the Battle of Saratoga happened so there was a message to get across. The politicians would have had no influence with the French if not for the victories of the Continental Army. So what if the Army lost the Battle of Brandywine. That did not knock the Army out of the war, It was because the Army stayed in the War that the Revolution ended with a US victory. What did the Marines do that was comparable to Saratoga?
Whitehaven had the reverberations of 9/11 in France and England, it was a humiliating raid on what England prided itself on. The raid alone tied up numerous troops to guard the coastline, as well as a whole fleet that was assigned to sail along Britain's coasts to make sure it didnt happen again. Strategically, that is as effective as killing an enemy, he's no longer in the fight. It also had a positive effect showing that the American struggle wasnt over
Get some!
jerzeyforlife 1 month ago
I support what my dad had to do at Bougainville. I still don't know what happened. He wouldn't tell me as his daughter, but it was REALLLY BAD. That is what our US Marines do. They did what they had to do. Dad didn't talk about it. So we blame him? No. I honor my dad. Don't ya'll ever talk bad about my Dad. He's my Hero. Semper Fi. Joseph Aloyisous Nauer, Jr. United States Marine. I love my father and a support the United States of America, and I will until the day that I die.
sherrb1158 2 months ago
"They wore a tolerant scorn of everything on earth" Awesome!
MrMaxxmo 2 months ago
YUT!!!!!!
NotoriousFavi 2 months ago
Semper fi!!!!! Ooorah!!!!!
paintballer4life105 3 months ago
If you knew anything about the laws of probability to begin with, youd know that a force of 40,000 highly deployable elite infantrymen wont be everywhere at every fucking glance. Whereas a force of 400,000 men can occupy 10x the ground. I say occupy not assault, since the army is like a logistical sloth, its capabilities will never overlap those of the USMC.
Sturmmann 4 months ago
** "it wasnt Eaton to plant the flag or even to enter the fort before Obanon"
Sturmmann 4 months ago
PROUD MARINE ALWAYS
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
MARINES>>> army pogs any day
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Why was it necessary to commit Army divisions to Saipan, Guam and Peleliu in WWII. The reason was that the Japanese had stopped the Marines cold and they needed reinforcing to win their battles.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
Marines fought at Trenton period. There were two battles. Same like what happened at Fallujah where the army was made minor contributions. As far as Marines not fighting for their reputation or always out there to slander the army, look up Nasirayah. That woulve been remembered as the first Iraqi victory over the us army if we didnt stick our necks out for your stupid POGs that got ambushed and re-written how the battle would be remembered.
Sturmmann 4 months ago
ahaha army traditions isnt as proud so your sorry ass spends all his time "shootingdown" Marines.
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 You show you are unaware of how fictional your traditions are. You celebrate 236 years of "continuous" service, oblivious of the fact that no Marine Corps existed between 1783 and 1798.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc ahaha you think you know it all huh??April 1783-July 11, 1798 to be exact your not telling me anything new
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 So tell me what was the Marine Corps doing between 1783 and 1798. According to Marine Corps history, the Continental Marine Corps was disbanded in April of 1783. The US Marine Corps was not established until July of 1798. The Marine Corps never celebrated November 10 1775 as its birthday, actually, until the early 1920's.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc The u.s Marines has its roots in its continental Marines why wouldnt they celebrate on that day?
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 If you understood history, you would recognize what I have said, that the Army, for all its disasters, has a longer, much more illustrious history than the Marine Corps. Marines like you are so much invested in defending Marine Corps fiction as history, you are incapable of recognizing or handling the truth. If you did, you would not be resorting to name calling.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc haha aw did i hurt your feelings with the name calling? i doubt you were in the army if you cant even handle a little name calling UNDISCIPLINED FUCK
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 I can handle the name calling, considering the amount I have been subjected to. I just do not respect people who resort to name calling because they can't handle the truth.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
so far this century, we've taken Fallujah and stole the attention once again, pacified Al Anbar, got done with Iraq and in accordance with the rules that determine deployments of fire brigades, we were transfered 100% from a completed war to the hottest zones of Afghan. to steal the show there - Marjah.
While the army is still cleaning up the wreckage we left in Iraq. The army has more troops in Iraq doing jack and shit than we do actually taking villages in Helmand.
Sturmmann 4 months ago
@Sturmmann Just a question about that - Being not a military man myself, but is that the arranged plan(s) of our present military strategy,(Having Marines doing the fighting, and soldiers doing the cleanup, then US tax dollars being wasted. I say let the iraqi military do that job.
Any elite portion of the Army (like the Rangers or such) should be rolled into the Marine corps for related duties.
gblueslover2 3 months ago
@gblueslover2
rangers are not heavy infantry, they are not expeditionary and need the congress' permission for peacetime deployment. The Marines never have since 1775.
The war in Iraq has been over for a while now, the Iraqi Army stepped up to the plate, and the Marine Corps left in 2009
Sturmmann 3 months ago
@Sturmmann Indeed, and knowing what you've mentioned regarding the US Army, basically doing jack and shit, it seems like a HUGE waste of tax dollars to even deploy them anywhere where real military might as far as ground troops (especially) would be needed.
gblueslover2 3 months ago
@gblueslover2
Iraqi is just one of about 100 outposts we have, it wont change much if we pull out 100%
Sturmmann 3 months ago
@Sturmmann Wow...
gblueslover2 3 months ago
@gblueslover2 What? Army doing jack shit? Are you stupid or do you buy the fake history the Marine Corps spouts to its boots? Being a former Marine grunt myself (yes former) I find your comment idiotic beyond belief.
yourdaddy20192 1 month ago
@yourdaddy20192 I didn't author this original statement within these threads. I admit, I wasn't there watching what the Marines did vs the Army. I think your agrument is with the original author of that statement, sir.
gblueslover2 1 month ago
@exarmydoc
disasters do not translate into an illustrious history of an army. If that was true, the same could be said for the French and Italian armies.
Sturmmann 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
Im gonna say this one last time. Eaton was a diplomat and a navy agent, not an active duty soldier.
He got shot in the wrist when all the fighting commenced, it was the Marines that charged in coordination with naval gunfire to break the deadlock on the harbor battery. Obanon kept charging until he planted the flag above the fort of Derne, it was Eaton. The Bashaw ended the mutiny earlier during the march, it wasnt Eaton.
Marines were at Derne, the army wasnt
Sturmmann 4 months ago
so you served october 23 19893? 19893?? imaginary year for an imaginary soldier
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 sorry for the typo. The year was 1983
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc get a life oldman you spend to much time arguing on here with too many people
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
exarmydoc loves honors respects and is envious of all MARINES
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 I ask again, what were you doing on the night of October 23, 1983. I do know what I was doing.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
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projectmayhem79 4 months ago
exarmydoc is a fan of the Marines thats why he spends all his time watching MARINE VIDEOS
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 I don't watch the videos. I just point out Marine Corps fiction.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Actually I do respect the Marines, probably more than you do because, thanks to my interest in history, I know more about the Marines than you do.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc I know you do YOURE A FAN YOU IDOLIZE US YOU WISH YOU WERE A MARINE KEEP LIVING IN YOUR BOOKS
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 I say this as a sign of respect for those who get shot at, including you. There is no way I would have ever chosen to be a front line infantrymen. I point out your fiction because you disrespect the millions of Soldiers who have served as front line infantrymen and who have done most of the work required to win this country's wars.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
I got plenty of real life experiences because I actually fought next army people that were attached to us. During field ops all they wanted to do was break down their vehicles so they could go back to the FOBs and join the friends in the fucking chow halls. This isnt professionalism. I didnt see a single army vehicle patrolling my roads, seeing as how the army strategy wasnt to stay out in the field and get dirty like the Marines were doing. No wonder they got lit up
Sturmmann 4 months ago
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itstillmark71259 said "@exarmydoc <----- Candy-assed loser, who couldn't get in the corps!"
In the Army I did a job which no active duty Marine in history could have ever done.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
To Rifleman 0311. I concede I got it wrong so far as Marine Casualties in the Battle of Princeton.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
As far as raids on Nassau being useless, thats not true. Not all valuable targets were well defended. The first raid bagged about a 100 pieces of cannon, 40,000 musket shot and 36 casks of powder.
The 2nd one in 1778 ended in 30 POWs being freed, 5 ships captured and 1600lb of black powder captured for no one else but Georgy Washington.
And 1778 was a bad year for George...
USMarineRifleman0311 4 months ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 The munitions captured in the first raid on Nassau went to fitting out the Continental Navy. The Continental navy commissioned 65 ships, 54 of which were sunk or captured by the end of the war. If there had been no Continental Army in 1778, what would have been the usefulness of raiding Nassau. You admit the only meaningful thing the Marines did in the Revolution was to support the Continental Army
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 "And 1778 was a bad year for George...". No it wasn't. He improved the morale and combat capability of the Continental Army, thanks to the exertions of Von Steuben. He handled the British Army rather roughly at Monmouth and chased them back to New York. All the British victories in 1777 achieved nothing.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
ITS NOT PROPAGANDA
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
A int R eady tobe M arines Y et ARMY boys
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 So why do the Marines try to claim Army accomplishments as their own? No Marine admirer has ever wanted to answer that question.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc ahahaha Marines dont have to claim anything from the army,Marines are much prouder and disciplined than any soldiers and MARINES HAVE NEVER EVER JUST SAT BY WHILE SOLDIERS DID THE FIGHTING THATS LAUGHABLE MARINES RUN TO THE SOUND OF THE GUN
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Check you history of the Defense of the Philippines in 1941-1942. Check Marine Colonel Robert Heinl's Soldiers of the Sea. In the Philippines, the 4th Marine Regiment remained on Corregidor while Army troops defended Bataan. Which is why, as a retired Army officer I found Mr, Chuck Lawliss' description of Batann really offensive. It was a gross example of a Marine Corps admirer trying to steal Army Valor for the Marine Corps.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
youre not debunking anything oldman youre just further proving soldiers are jealous of MARINES AND WILL FOREVER LIVE IN OUR SHADOWS
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 "youre not debunking anything oldman youre just further proving soldiers are jealous of MARINES AND WILL FOREVER LIVE IN OUR SHADOWS"
Contrary to what deluded Marines believe, the Army never has and never will live in the shadow of the Marines. What did the Marines do in the Revolution to establish the Independence of the US - the answer is nothing, Every time the Marines try to take credit for what the Army has accomplished it tries to steal Army Valor.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
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@exarmydoc The army believes in having the best tools and Marines believe in having better Men. the army is over 1 million strong whiles Marins are only 200,000 strong. The US marines shot more rounds in training than the US army has in training and combat. thts say something. that marines are far better trained shooters
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
where you at exarmydoc?
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 "where you at exarmydoc?" Right now I am at a place where I am having a real good time debunking Marine Corps mythology.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
"They (Marines) have given us our only real fight." Commanding Officer of the British, War 0f 1812
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
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@projectmayhem79 "'They (Marines) have given us our only real fight." Commanding Officer of the British, War 0f 1812'". MARINE CORPS DISTORTION OF THE FIRST ORDER! the "They" to whom MG Robert Ross and Admiral George Cockburn were referring were Commodore Joshua Barney's flotillamen. They never mentioned the Marines.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
"There is no military body in our country of higher efficiency than the Marine Corps.
They take great pride in their profession. They never let things slack a bit."
Rear Admiral C.M. Wilslow, U.S. Navy
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
“Do not attack the First Marine Division. Leave the yellowlegs alone. Strike the American Army.” Orders given to Communist troops in the Korean War; shortly afterward, the Marines were ordered to not wear their khaki leggings.
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
"Marines know how to use their bayonets. Army bayonets may as well be paper-weights. "
Navy Times; November 1994
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 The Army defeated the Republican Guard Armor with their tanks and APCs while the Marines were using their bayonets on Iraq's second line forces.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc get at me tell me again Marines try to take credit for what your cute lil army does
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 The Marines claim to have taken Chapultepec in the Mexican War. They did not. The troops who took Chapultepec were soldiers, not Marines.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 The Marines claim that they assaulted and captured the castle of Chapultepec, for example. According to Marine Corps sources, what the Marines did mostly at the Halls of Montezuma was guard the Army supply wagons while the Army fought the Battles. In the assault on Chapultepec, the Marines got stopped short of the walls of Chapultepec. They then held their position and fired on the walls of the Castle. Soldiers scaled the walls and captured the Castle.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
"We are United States Marines, and for two and a quarter centuries we have defined the standards of courage, esprit, and military prowess. "
Gen. James L. Jones, USMC (CMC); 10 November 2000
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 The Marines did not do so on Bataan. The 4th Marines sat on Corregidor while Army troops short of just about everything fought the Japanese. That did not stop the Marines from trying to take credit for defending Bataan.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
"The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!"
Eleanor Roosevelt, First Lady of the United States, 1945
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle."
Gen. John "Black Jack" Pershing, U.S. Army
Commander of American Forces in World War I
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Why do Marines claim General Pershing did not want Marines as part of the AEF but then cite his quotes praising the Marines.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Why do the Marines claim General Pershing did not want the Marines in the AEF but then quote General Pershing as being a big admirer of the Marines?
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
“If I had one more division like this First Marine Division I could win this war.”
General of the Armies Douglas McArthur in Korea,
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Unfortunately, in the early 1950s, the Marine Corps was incapable of fielding another division. It took them weeks just to get one division into the field. That is why Army Divisions, in spite of their defeats, bore the brunt of defending Korea. If the Army had been left out, if the Defense of Korea had been left up to the Marines, there would be no South Korea today.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc lol just face it oldman the MARINES have a prouder tradition a richer culture tougher training theres over a million soldiers and about 230,000 active marines and they still kick more ass alot of those quotes were made from army generals themselves
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Considering the Marines did not come into existence until 5 months after the Army, considering the Army has always been in existence while no Marine Corps existed between 1783 and 1798, considering the Army, in spite of its defeats, has borne and continues to bear the brunt of establishing and maintaining this country's independence, the Army has a longer and much more illustrious history than the Marines, Where were the Marines at Saratoga and Yorktown?
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Considering the Marines did not come into existence until 5 months after the Army, considering the Army has always been in existence while no Marine Corps existed between 1783 and 1798, considering the Army, in spite of its defeats, has borne and continues to bear the brunt of establishing and maintaining this country's independence, the Army has a longer and much more illustrious history than the Marines, Where were the Marines at Saratoga and Yorktown?
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Considering the Marines did not come into existence until 7 months after the troops who became the Army started fighting, considering the Army has always been in existence while no Marine Corps existed between 1783 and 1798, considering the fact that the Army, for all its defeats, has borne and continues to bear the brunt of establishing and maintaining this country's independence, the Army does have a longer and more illustrious history than the Marines.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
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@exarmydoc Marine Boot camp. 13 weeks army Basic: 9 weeks. Marine riflemen training shots: 500m army: 300m Marine snipers train for: 9weeks army snipers train for 5weeks Marines snipers shoot to: 1,000m stationary and moving targets army snipers: 800m Marines kick ass: since 1775 army kicks ass: not in the past 20yrs Army Nickname: POG Marines Nickname; DEVIL DOG Army Cry-hooah Marine Battle Cry :OORAH MARINES DRESS SHARPER DRESS BLUES MARINES ARE AMERICAS 911 FORCE
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Prouder tradition? Hardly. What were the Marines doing when the Army was winning the Battles of Trenton and Princeton, the most crucial battles in American History. Whatever the Marines were doing at New Orleans, they were not doing anything critical. Where were the Marines at Gettysburg, Vicksburg, Appamatox? Where were the Marines at Normandy, Sicily, Anzio, Salerno, Torch? What were the Marines doing at the Halls of Montezuma? Guarding supply wagons.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc ahaha Whatever helps you sleep at night you old fuck,It takes over a million soldiers for the army to be tough while there are very few Marines .stick to watching your little train videos and playing with your little trains grandpa America takes more pride in its Marines than anyone else
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 America may take more pride in the Marines but that is only because, paraphrasing Harry Truman, the Marines have a propaganda machine as proficient as Stalin's. Check your history. The Marines have not accomplished a lot of what they say they have.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc This is my last comment to you oldman ,atleast i serve my country PROUDLY and so do my fellow marines youre a historian wannabe who never served you live in your history text books WISHING YOU HAD THE BALLS TO SERVE
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Whether or not you believe I served is irrelevant. What is obvious is that you can not refute any of the examples I have given of the Marine Corps embellishing its history and claiming credit for what the Army accomplishes. And it really angers you that someone does not buy into Marine Corps propaganda.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
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@projectmayhem79 "his is my last comment to you oldman ,atleast i serve my country PROUDLY and so do my fellow marines youre a historian wannabe who never served you live in your history text books WISHING YOU HAD THE BALLS TO SERVE"
My aren't we angry.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Don't waste your time with "exarmydoc" He's just trolling for responses from real men (marines) for kicks. He's jealous of those who were able to get in the corps when he couldn't.
itstillmark71259 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Where were the Marines at Yorktown?
exarmydoc 4 months ago
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@projectmayhem79 Where were the Marines at Saratoga?
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 The Marines claim they relieved the Diplomatic legations in China in the Boxer Rebellion. An international military force relieved the legations. The American contribution was 2500 men. Only 500 of them were Marines.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 In 1944, the Army's 105th Infantry defeated the largest, fiercest suicide attack the Japanese ever launched in WWII. Marines claim a Marine artillery battalion stopped the attack. Actually, that Battalion, 3/10 Marines was driven from the field with the loss of all their guns and subsequently rescued by an Army regiment which also recovered their guns. It is a gross example how the Marines distort their history.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Where were the Marines at Gettysburg?
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc keep reading your little books while i actually serve my country oldman
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Whether or not you think I served my country is meaningless.
If you did a little reading instead of repeating Marine Corps propaganda, you might understand who did what in this country's history.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc Thank you all BullShit aside im sorry i insulted you im just VERY DEFENSIVE about my Marine Corps me and all of my brothers that i met at boot camp suffered alot to earn the title Marine THEY ARE MY FAMILY
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
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@projectmayhem79 Pay no attention to the loser that posts on here as "exarmydoc".
If you do a google search on this moron, you'll see he posts the exact same crap all over the internet, trolling for responses from marines. Obviously, he tried to get in, and was rejected by the corps, and has been bitter about it ever since.
itstillmark71259 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Actually, whether youbelieve it or not, I do know better than most people what kind of risks you take and sincerely salute you for it.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
I am convinced that there is no smarter, handier, or more adaptable body of troops in the world. MARINES
Prime Minister of Britain, Sir Winston Churchhill
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Still it was the US Army which played the major role in defeating Germany in Europe while the Marines took out isolated, outnumbered garrisons of Japanese and suffering heavy casualties in the process. History does not back up that claim. The Marines got their divisions shot up by applying the same strategy to Tarawa, Peleliu and Iwo Jima.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc "The more Marines I have around, the better I like it."
General Clark, U.S. Army
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
"No one can say that the Marines have failed to do their work in handsome fashion."
Major General Hagood, U.S. Army
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Why is the Marine Corps the only service which has to list quotes praising it in order to make a case for itself. Why do the Marines claim credit for what other services have done, like holding off the British at Bladensburg.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc btw youre the one here on the Marine video you must be a fan,you must also be jealous aswell being you spend all your time trying to diminish what Marines have done undisciplined old fuck,Tell me about current warfare not wars from the 17oos
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 What I object to is the way the Marines embellish their history, the way the Marines disrespect the Army, and particularly the way the Marines try to credit themselves with what the Army accomplished. I say again, when the Marine Corps claims for itself credit for Army accomplishments(e.g.Chapultepec) it engages in stealing Army Valor.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 "[I] spend all your time trying to diminish what Marines have done." What have the Marins done? In all the wars of the 20th Century including WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, the first Gulf War and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Army has done most of the work. The Marine Corps has never played the important role in any of this country's wars, including the Pacific in WWII. Marines have won only two battles on their own, Tarawa and Iwo Jima each at the cost of excessive casualties.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc ahahaha youre delusional old man the army is made up of a bunch of fat undisciplined fucks you guys you will always live in the MARINES SHADOWS NO MATTER WHAT
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 So why does the Marine Corps try to claim credit for what the Army has accomplished, fighting at Trenton, capturing Chapultepec, defending Bataan, saving Korea, winning the Battle of New Orleans, among others.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc Plus i doubt you ever served so sit down and shut up stick to reading your little history books because you sound like a historian not a soldier
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
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@exarmydoc "youre not debunking anything oldman youre just further proving soldiers are jealous of MARINES AND WILL FOREVER LIVE IN OUR SHADOWS". The Army never has and never will live in the shadow of the Marine Corps. If the Army was living in the shadow of the Marine Corps, the Marines would not be trying to steal Army valor for their own.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
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Pay no attention to the loser that posts on here as "exarmydoc".
If you do a google search on this moron, you'll see he posts the exact same crap all over the internet, trolling for responses from marines. Obviously, he tried to get in, and was rejected by the corps, and has been bitter about it ever since.
71259mark 4 months ago
If you've never been a Marine, than you'll never understand.
matthew212 4 months ago
I love that the Marines fighting footage.XD.They are so cool when they are in combat.haha
william1997kso 5 months ago
Marines is the Sp Forces in the world
william1997kso 5 months ago
Right on @ Slipknot55566620 I plan to do the same thing.
SLIPKNOTFAN580 6 months ago
Those who were never in the Marines are always the first ones to talk shit!
matthew212 6 months ago 2
@matthew212 A lot of those who are in the Marines claim credit for the Marines for things the Marines have not done, like taking Chapultepec, fighting in the Battle of Trenton, winning the Battle of New Orleans, defending the Philippines in 1941-1942.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
I take pride in the fact that my generation has fully turned the tide against the army. Now our bootcamp is longer than ever, our standards dont waiver. We're rejecting applicants left and right during war time as the army is still takin in all our rejects.
You could leave the army as an E5 right now but if you want to be a Marine, you have to go back to E2 and go through bootcamp.
All of this for a force that according to you never fought anywhere
Sturmmann 4 months ago
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@Sturmmann I point out, in the first Gulf War, US Army troops took on Iraq's best trained and best equipped units. The Marines, who did justly receive General Schwarzkopf's admiration, fought a diversionary action against Iraq's second line troops. A factor in their success was the Army's Tiger Brigade, an armored brigade of the 2nd Armored Division which took out what Iraqi armor which faced the Marines. That does not say that the Marines have "fully turned the tide" against the Army.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
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@Sturmmann The fact that most of the troops bleeding and dying in Afghanistan are Soldiers does not say the Marines have "fully turned the tide" against the Army
exarmydoc 4 months ago
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@Sturmmann There was a statistic I found on the web some months ago and I can not recall the URL. That statistic was that the number of soldiers who served multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan exceeded the total strength of the Marine Corps. That does not say that the Marines have "fully turned the tide" against the Army.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
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@Sturmmann Pay no attention to the loser that posts on here as "exarmydoc".
If you do a google search on this moron, you'll see he posts the exact same crap all over the internet, trolling for responses from marines. Obviously, he tried to get in, and was rejected by the corps, and has been bitter about it ever since.
facefacts6969 4 months ago
@Sturmmann I never said the Marine Corps never fought anywhere. I take exception to the Marine Corps claiming to have fought where it did not, or taking credit for what it did not do, such as fighting in the Battle of Trenton, defeating the British at New Orleans, capturing Chapultepec in the Mexican War.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
Ill be a marine
slipknot55566620 6 months ago
Exarmydoc...... Cmon.... The army and the marines might have duffrwnces... But ur both badasses wen ur toghether!! Semper fi!! As soon as im off high school!
slipknot55566620 6 months ago
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Pay no attention to the loser that posts on here as "exarmydoc".
If you do a google search on this moron, you'll see he posts the exact same crap all over the internet, trolling for responses from marines. Obviously, he tried to get in, and was rejected by the corps, and has been bitter about it ever since.
itstillmark71259 6 months ago 4
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@TheBreadCrumbs Attention Everyone:
Pay no attention to the loser that posts on here as "exarmydoc".
If you do a google search on this moron, you'll see he posts the exact same crap all over the internet, trolling for responses from marines. Obviously, he tried to get in, and was rejected by the corps, and has been bitter about it ever since.
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USMarineRifleman0311 said "nobody gives a single fuck for the army from 1775 till 1918
america in the 19th century was nothing
especially since the us army cant even hold washington and prevent the burning of the capital."
Neither could the Marines.
The Army did turn back the British at Fort McHenry, at Plattsburgh and at New Orleans.
exarmydoc 6 months ago
@exarmydoc
the Marines played a small part at Bladensburg, New Orleans and Ft McHenry. The Army takes most of the credit for America's worst defeat with the burning of Washington. Thats a lesson in responsibility and a single instance where even the USMC wont claim they are fully responsible, eventough they stood their ground until the army units on their flanks were outflanked.
Camden and Bladensburg are exactly what describes the gagglefuck that is the us army.
Sturmmann 5 months ago
@Sturmmann Did the US get knocked out of the war after Washington fell? No. Would that have happened if Baltimore had fallen? Probably yes. Baltimore was more important to the country in terms of commerce and strategic value than Washington. Did Baltimore fall? No. Who repelled the British at Baltimore? It was the Army, not the Marines.
exarmydoc 5 months ago
@exarmydoc
Marines made their presences at both Bladensburg and Baltimore, in the 19th century means, they made an all out effort to be there despite their small size. The small size of all Marine forces world wide at that time (like in UK today) is the blame of none other than the overall naval leadership.
Nevertheless, decent answer on the burning of Washington.
Sturmmann 5 months ago
@Sturmmann Who salvaged the situation in the Carolinas after the Battle of Camden? Not the Marines. Army General Nathaniel Greene took over the Southern Army and restored its ability to fight. He then conducted a campaign which, in spite of tactical defeats, caused the British to withdraw from the Carolinas. Cornwallis' "victory" at Guilford Courthouse so damaged his army he withdrew to Virginia and ultimately wound up at Yorktown.
exarmydoc 5 months ago
@Sturmmann In spite of the posturing of Marine Corps apologists, the US Army has a much more extensive history and has been much more important to the security of the US than has the Marine Corps. I guess that is why Marine apologists try to claim credit for the Marine Corps for what the Army has accomplished, e.g. capturing Chapultepec Castle in the Mexican War.
exarmydoc 5 months ago
@exarmydoc
Apologists? Do you realize that 90% of the army itself isnt aware of Chapultapec, we're the only ones that are paying closer attention to our battles. Judging 19th and 18th century warfare when Marines were merely shore party coast guard type troops and comparing them to their 20th century counterparts is simply stupid, and youre doing more of that than actual USMC historians are.
Sturmmann 5 months ago
@Sturmmann Why does the Marine Corps take credit for Chapultepec?
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
I'll make a blog that states that everything from Trenton to Omaha as a Marine effort, hell I'll even claim the battle of the little big horn was a Marine action.
just to keep you pissed.
We're the nation's elite force now, its set in stone. We've taken over from the army for good in the past 20yrs.
Sturmmann 4 months ago
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@Sturmmann Marines and Marine admirers have a history of claiming credit for the Marine Corps for what the Army accomplished.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@Sturmmann In the Military, claiming credit for something one did not actually do is considered stolen valor. If you want to post a blog on behalf of the Marine Corps which indulges in stealing Army valor for the Marine Corps, feel free.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
stolen valor is reserved for people that benefit having acted as imposters of veterans to get veterans benefits. Not for embellishing history. Ive already helped put away a good number of violators on those grounds.
USMarineRifleman0311 4 months ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 Marine Corps apologists who claim credit for the Marine Corps for what the Army accomplished are indulging in a form of stolen valor.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@Sturmmann Chapultepec was not one of the Marines' battles, regardless of what is claimed. In the campaign for Mexico City, most of the time while Soldiers were fighting, Marines were guarding the Army's supply wagons.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@Sturmmann "Apologists? Do you realize that 90% of the army itself isnt aware of Chapultapec, we're the only ones that are paying closer attention to our battles." With regard to Chapultepec, you do more than pay attention. You claim credit for the victory. According to Marine Corps sources, the Marine Battalion held its position and fired on the walls of Chapultepec while Soldiers scaled the walls and took the fortress.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
The only force the British could fear consistently since 1776 was the combined USN and USM team, not the American land army. The US Navy has had a 3/4 track record while the USA forces couldnt even win half of the battles during the war of 1812.
Washington DC shouldve been positioned at Plattsburg or Lake Erie where it couldve atleast been defended, cause we saw how fit for the job the army was in the defense of the capital 2 wars in a row.
Sturmmann 5 months ago
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@Sturmmann Pay no attention to the loser that posts on here as "exarmydoc".
If you do a google search on this moron, you'll see he posts the exact same crap all over the internet, trolling for responses from marines. Obviously, he tried to get in, and was rejected by the corps, and has been bitter about it ever since.
71259mark 5 months ago
@Sturmmann Neither General Ross nor Admiral Cockburn mentioned the Marines after Bladensburg, not exactly indicating theBritish had any particular fear of the Marines in the War of 1812. In spite of the defeats, in the Revolution and in the War of 1812, it was Army victories which maintained the integrity of the US. Contrary to Marine Corps claims, the Marines did not play a crucial part of New Orleans. The site for Young Marines claims the Marines won New Orleans.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@Sturmmann The Royal Navy had no fear of the Continental Navy. With the exception of a few like John Paul Jones, John Barry, John Young(I bet you do not know who he is), Continental Navy captains were not at all notable. The Continental Army's battles against the British Army are what coerced Great Britain to recognize the US as independent. Had there been no independent US, there would have been no US Navy or US Marine Corps. You owe your existence to what the Army did in the Revolution.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@Sturmmann "Washington DC shouldve been positioned at Plattsburg..." If you really knew the history of the War of 1812, you would know that Army troops defeated an British attempt to capture and destroy Commodore Chauncey's base at Plattsburg.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc OOPS. I should have said that Army Troops prevented the British from capturing and destroying Commodore Chauncey's base at Sacketts Harbor of Lake Ontario. Are you claiming credit for the Marines for the repulse of the British at Plattsburg? There were no Marines at Plattsburg. Thomas MacDonough's so called Marines were soldiers from Alexander Macomb's Army.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc ahahahah anyone can get into the army the standards arent as high as the Marines thats why there are over 1million army soldiers face it even the name is better MARINES nicknames Devildogs soldiers POGS
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 There is a bit of doubt that the Germans ever referred to the Marines as Devil Dogs. The German the Marines quote is not proper German.
I do not doubt that the Marines cast slurs on the Army. That only shows how much the Marines want to grab Army Valor for their own.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc Army valor ??ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah what a joke
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 It wasn't a joke on Bataan where Army troops fought a desperate 4 month battle against the Japanese while the Marines sat on Corregidor, then wanted the same recognition the Army got. Marines complained when General MacArthur did not recommend the 4th Marines for a unit citation. They never say anything that the Marines in the Philippines did not fight like the Army did.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 What did the Marines do at Bataan?
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc more than you ever did to serve this country
projectmayhem79 4 months ago
@projectmayhem79 Sounds like an ad hominem attack issued by another deluded Marine who can't handle the truth.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
that doesnt change the fact that washington went up in flames and the nation's main arms bearers were unable to defend the coastlines from invasion.
Same shit led to our defeat in Vietnam. Instead of enacting a full on naval blocade of the country and all its suppliers, we followed the army's plan. Same shit happened during the War of 1812. The US army cant handle the enemy in its own backyard, theres nothing Marines are jealous of, we fought them in their own waters and won.
Sturmmann 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
that doesnt change the fact that washington went up in flames and the nation's main arms bearers were unable to defend the coastlines from invasion.
Same shit led to our defeat in Vietnam. Instead of enacting a full on naval blocade of the country and all its suppliers, we followed the army's plan. Same shit happened during the War of 1812. The US army cant handle the enemy in its own backyard, theres nothing Marines are jealous of, we fought them in their own waters and won.
Sturmmann 4 months ago
@Sturmmann The British made three major incursions into US territory in the War of 1812, Plattsburg, the Chesapeake, and New Orleans. Each incursion was repelled with significant loss of life to the invaders, including many high ranking leaders. The Army repelled the invaders with little help from the Marines, just like the Army won the Revolution with little help from the Marines. Keep fighting. I intend this as a compliment. In my life I often spoke up for my beliefs and I admire you for it.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
you keep bringing up the 1/4 of victories won by usa's land army and denying Marines any credit for them.
The US army won the revolution? With the help of the French navy and funding yeah. I wouldnt want to know what wouldve happened if the British reinforcements were allowed to land at Yorktown without French help.
Hell, Yorktown itself goes down as a French intimidation victory, the us army was just there to watch the fireworks and take prisoners as a navy won the day.
USMarineRifleman0311 4 months ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 Good Morning. I do not deny the vital role the French played in the Revolution. It was more vital than anything the Marines did. Why did the French come into the war on the side of the US. Because the Continental Army defeated Burgoyne at Saratoga. Where were the Marines at Saratoga.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
"Where were the Marines at Saratoga" statements like these truly take away from your credibility. Ive told you 5 times over now that 19th century and prior era Marines were the size of the modern day coast guard. They served a specialized purpose. Same as rifle companies or cavalry units of an army. We werent a self sufficient expeditionary force till after WW2.
USMarineRifleman0311 4 months ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 The US Marine Corps claims the US Marine Corps has been at the forefront of every American war. Do you deny that the victory at Saratoga was significant to the outcome of the Revolutionary War?
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
The US Marine Corps has fulfilled its purpose to the extent of its ability in every assignment as it related to it and its type of service. From Penobscot to Nassau. We had no reason to be in at Saratoga, Bunker hill or Long Island.
But when we did fight on land, we didnt loose 5 men for every redcoat killed like during the invasion of canada in 1776. Nor did we ever surrender en masse because of our raiding party status in infantry doctrine of the time. We didnt stick around
USMarineRifleman0311 4 months ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 "But when we did fight on land, we didnt loose 5 men for every redcoat killed like during the invasion of canada in 1776." When the Marines did fight on land at Princeton, the Marine Battalion, numbering 141 men, took 60 casualties, disbanded, and most of the survivors volunteered for the Continental Army rather than stay with the Marines.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
I love how you speak of this continental army as a band of fanatics with an awesome battle record when they were about to totally call the revolution off before Trenton happened where they surprised a few drunk Hessians.
It makes sense that Marines made up 100% of the casualties at Princeton, all 40 of them, or as some sources says 25.
USMarineRifleman0311 4 months ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 Read "Washington's Crossing". The Hessian brigade at Trenton numbered 1500 men and they were not drunk. The important thing about Trenton is that the Army did win the Battle and that kept the Revolution going. Nothing the Marines did in the Revolution had as much impact, your fantasies notwithstanding.
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
There literally isnt a notable revolutionary war battle where a platoon or a whole company of soldiers doesnt surrender to the British.
The whole year of 1777 has a 7 defeat to 3 victory ratio
All I can say is thank god France was on our side, because our army couldnt defend itself let alone the country.
USMarineRifleman0311 4 months ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 If you knew your revolutinary war history you wiud know that British troops did surrender to Continental troops. The 1977 won loss record is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the Continental Army stayed in the field and was ready to fight again. That is what brought the French into the war. The French aided the Continental Army. The Marines did not
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
If the message of Saratoga didnt get across, no one wouldve heard that the colonies still existed.
Especially since it was hardly a week before the continental army would loose another battle.
The work of politicans like Ben Franklin won the war, all the army did was die and wave the white flag.
USMarineRifleman0311 4 months ago
@USMarineRifleman0311 But the Battle of Saratoga happened so there was a message to get across. The politicians would have had no influence with the French if not for the victories of the Continental Army. So what if the Army lost the Battle of Brandywine. That did not knock the Army out of the war, It was because the Army stayed in the War that the Revolution ended with a US victory. What did the Marines do that was comparable to Saratoga?
exarmydoc 4 months ago
@exarmydoc
Whitehaven had the reverberations of 9/11 in France and England, it was a humiliating raid on what England prided itself on. The raid alone tied up numerous troops to guard the coastline, as well as a whole fleet that was assigned to sail along Britain's coasts to make sure it didnt happen again. Strategically, that is as effective as killing an enemy, he's no longer in the fight. It also had a positive effect showing that the American struggle wasnt over
USMarineRifleman0311 4 months ago