stop buying books stop giving money to those who use the problem has a solution be spiritual and find solution to problem instead of thinking we are doomed be love be one adonai
What u r hearing about greys and other creatures is government disinformation to reflect a power myth about America. Aliens are ancient indians that settled on mars and the moon, due to nuclear war & natural disasters. The civilization of india was over 1 million years old.Certain parts of india are still highly radioactive.They were highly spiritual and combined spirituality with technology to travel in Vimanas. Because of this religious and ethnic issue, there will be no disclosure by U.S.
I never believed "Lear" Either...Remember...He is a "Lear"...Research his Father!...If "Lear" was Telling "Top Secret" info....He would Have "Jumped" out of the Same Window That The "Gen." had "Jumped" out of....That's What "Happens" to "Anyone" that Talks about "Real Secrets"...And Another Thing...if These Aliens were a Billion Yrs. ahead of Us...They would have Their Own "Cows"..."Heck"..They would have Their Own.."Billy the Kid"...LOL
no... that would be another name for the flying saucers, mother ships and experimental air craft or maybe just some weather balloons . The aliens are people like us only way way better off.
NWO only know the truth, there might be no such things as other life forms, or demons who knows !...One thing for sure is there are evil and there time will come.! Why is such a beautiful planet made so bad with war and greed its all so sad ..........everyone just think " treat people like you and your loved ones would treat each other" the world would be far better place .............Love is our main weapon !.peace.
@3VOLution3NO Take it outside churchy--This is video about UFO's and human deception.It has nothing to do with religion or Jesus.Give it a rest would ya?
@purplecalix being anti-facsist doesnt make you a zionist. and modern zionism is a lot closer to fascism than anything else. most non-jews that would call themselves zionists (like rumsfeld or cheney) wouldnt think zionism has anything to do with the torah. its political and has a lot more to do with white people controlling palestine. go ask any sephardic or ethiopian jew what its like in israel.
UFOs are demonic. If a person does a thorough investigation into this you will find that the main 'message' UFO occupants preach is this....Christ didn't do any work on the cross for the sins of mankind. Why would 'aliens from space' fly a kazillion miles to tell us that? That's because they didn't. They are nothing more than fallen angels who can appear and disappear at will. The same entities responsible for hauntings, crop circles, marian apparitions and all of the paranormal lies.
ok...i had enough after just under one minute.. not even going in to all the why's, but lets just say that there is no way some illuminati fella is going to bring me back to the dark ages of smokescreens
@reallyfullofmyself your ignorance shines though. check out his website. he's been anti-illuminati for over 20 years broadcasting for free on public radio stations across the country. You are hilarious. Think you could spend a little more than 60 seconds using brain before you start cramping up?? The point is that aliens are a smokescreen. Forget it though. Wouldnt wanna tax your brain.
@DSamSebe1 lols, talk about "brains"...you sure know how to NOT keep a conversation up.
Why don't you do a little reality study. The Monroe Institute has made scientific studies in all forms of consciousness and dimension related stuff as long as you have been alive Mr "Important"....I think their track record proves more then your smoke screen closed minded ignorant "observations" based on NOTHING but exactly the above mentioned.
@reallyfullofmyself Consiousness and dimension-related stuff? Confusion is defined as melding (fusing) together things that arent related. My friend you are confused. Do you understand that the Germans developed this stuff in the 40's? Look into it. And Dave Emory has been producing hour-long shows every week for more than 20 years outting the illuminati. On his own dime, no less. And you accuse him of complicity. Now thats plain ignorant. Confusion + ignorance = annoying self-righteousness.
@reallyfullofmyself I'd be more than happy to discuss it, but drop the self-righteousness. You are full of yourself, no kidding. And you should probably apologize for insulting a man who has spent his life and resources trying to raise the public's level of awareness. Seriously. If you read and understand abstracts from the monroe institute, you should have a certain level of intellectual integrity. Show it.
This is why we do not know the truth about UFO's .Science is saying "there must be others like us " as a certain truth. It could of been said a hundred years ago but close minded people with theories would of caused chaos. Now with media we can sort of except it slowly. Now that this is being said more and more 'its the government" people are popping up. You guys refuse to see the truth.. The truth is tomorrow we could wake up at war for our species with a hostile Aliens. SCI-Fi comes to life.
Far as I know operation paperclip had to do with developing surface to surface rockets and advanced radar techniques. That is indeed what German scientist gave us, so if you have 'proof' they built a UFO then I would love to see it? Even a few credible witnesses to it being manufactured? I mean we have top level military personal holding huge conventions to discuss UFO's as Aliens not US air craft. Besides if it were our Air Craft then it makes no sense for the government to deny they exist.
@TheRhayden paperclip had to do with any axis figures we wanted to bring to the US. Most were scientists and engineers, but many were not. Many were spies even officers. So youre mistaken. And there are 100s of reasons to hide advanced technology. I dont think youre thinking this through very well. Research Haunebu if you want to see nazi "ufos"
Alexander spoke is said to of spoke about UFO's , Columbus documented a UFO on his journey in 1492. Many merchant ships of ancient Rome. Now we can say all of these are 'Fictional" part of the 'God system" but its far more likely to be true then not. The galaxy is to big, to vast for humans to be alone. That is just our galaxy that doesn't take into account string theory or other dimensions. These things were laughed at for a long time but with new science we can prove they exist and we have.
@TheRhayden columbus said he saw a little light, like a candle bobbing up and down. I have read the description. and what exactly have we proven about aliens? You are making all kinds of statements as if they were fact with absolutely no evidence. I think you should rerthink your position.
However well before a US government existed or any modern government for that matter these sightings were taking place. That was well before the 50's , or Roswell and if you need examples I will give you a few here but there are thousands of them. The Ubaidians referenced 'Aliens" and "UFO's" as our creators, long before Christians or Egyptians walked the earth. The Sumerians did the same leaving complex tablets of writing that resembled biblical writing behind thousand of years before Christ.
@TheRhayden why are you saying the sumerian texts being religious proves aliens? sitchin? really? no sumerian scholar would give that guy a nickel. Annunaki does not mean those from heaven who came or whatever nonsense he made up. There are many sumerian dictionaries available online from reputable sources. Not one makes any such claims.
Any ways if people want to say some of these objects are US test planes then fine. I can buy that , I believe we have the technology to make a UFO at least the basic craft. It is not that complicated in fact a Berkeley professor named Richard Muller got into the basic design of such a craft at small scale. If you follow Dr. Michio Kaku then you know even though he believes human kind perfecting space travel is 100's of years away he does think we are holding our selves 'out or back'.
Since we brought Germany and WWII into it, I think all of history the biggest evidence of Aliens visiting our planet may be the Third Reich. "Aryan" was not first mentioned by the Third Reich but had dated back to Egyptian times. The 'chosen people" as the Third Reich referred to where a pure race on the planet earth. These people spent countless resources searching the world for 'objects' and text they claimed the 'creators' left for them to take power. They were far more advanced then anyone.
How do you suggest the German's got there technology? Do you think they developed the 'Bell Project' shortly after perfecting the first turbine engine? Wouldn't that qualify as a 'huge leap' in technology that this guy claims does not exist? I agree and I know back in 'The day' plenty of people did plenty of terrible things. Not just our government but work houses , hospitals, 'slave' runners(post slavery era) ect... my point being today its much easier with media to reach volunteers for 'Cash"
@TheRhayden Yes they did. They put together a team of scientists that was tasked with developing a propulsionn system that did not use any "jewiish" physics. So they were forced to think outside the paradigm of their time. They were completely separate from werner von braun and the v projects. And Aryan goes back to the Himalayas not to egypt. Their idea that they were decendants of aryans comes from Blavatsky via other occult circles. And blavatsky was a big fraud. Probably she was really a spy
Perhaps there abducting people for organ harvesting.Its a possibility china has concentration camps where they harvest organs.Maybe there is more governments doing it as well.
Last , man its dumb to even think we are alone. Government test on people? Get real , crash rules everything around us just ask Jay-Z. Pay all the money for cover ups and fake flying saucers or go to craigslist and offer 5k cash for volunteers . Get real people sell there freaking kidneys these days. Do you think thousands of people would not jump on bored even if the possibility of death were involved? pfft
@TheRhayden dude the government has been testing on people since before wwII. Just google TUSKEGEE. What school did you go to? Wow. Like what the hell do they teach nowadays?
@TheRhayden people dont sell their fucking kidneys buddy. they wake up in a bath of ice with their kidney missing. Maybe 1 20 actually sells an organ.
Further more I despise guys who 'talk' about the facts. Show us something. Tons of UFO videos out there and plenty that can not be explained. Even more that can be 'explained' using freak methods to recreate them. You can recreate a life size truck using wood and paint but we all know one can move one way and the other can roll back and forth. To the skeptics , anything can be recreated it does not mean its the same.
@TheRhayden the ufos are ours. we have been developing them since the end of WWII. Both the US and the Soviets acquired advanced prototypes of german flying saucers and german scientists/engineers. They continued the research. research VRIL. Haunebu, the bell (die glocken), operation paperclip. Facts would have to come from people making crazy claims that these vehicles are from outer space not people who have seen through the ufo cover. No hearsay. Facts. No circumstantial evidence. Proof.
@TheRhayden you talk about facts and then talk about videas. You are confused. Do you know what evidence is? And what circumstantial evidence is? And why circumstantial evidence is not allowable in court? U wanna talk about making a case and you do not have one fact in your possession. Weird.
You know what the problem is ? This guy draws conclusions from a book of another guy who got his info from another guy that was told by another guy who has info from ect.... I'm sorry UFO's are real and there is plenty of documentation on them as for your 'billion of years advanced' argument the old saying goes. "You must crawl before you can walk". That being said if a master chemist taught an 8th grader all he knows the information would take half his life time to be obtained.
@TheRhayden UFO are very real. We have been building then for 65+ years. Your problem is you believe what you have been spoonfed. Man - all of the media has been trying to get you to believe in aliens since the 40s and you think youve come to some great conclusion on your own. Hilarious.
The UFO phenomenon is a multi-prong problem. There is a real unexplained part to this phenomenon that might be truly unexplained. This planet has a "control system" in place. This system interacts with human consciousness. More research needs to be done here.
WOW, never actually watched the vid, got too distracted by the heated debate here. Have been plagued by exactly these questions recently, so thanks everyone for getting me thinking. I have no personal experience of aliens, just some really weird experiences. And am not religious, but see that there is 'evil' in the world, whether it's demons or not, don't know. Am going to scuttle off now and follow all of your links and leads. Thanks again
There is absolutely no evidence that UFOs are "evil" anymore than the preposterous notion that ETs are actually Satan's emissaries flying around in space ships, as the Christian church believes. In fact, a few months ago the Vatican made a public statement on MSNBC Network News that, "UFOs and ETs are nothing more than a part of God's creation," completely negating and openly disagreeing with their Christian brothers.
Why is it that whenever mankind doesn't understand something.
we respond by labeling it as "evil"? Not long ago, all disease was believed to be God's punishment for sin. And how soon the Vatican forgot that it was they who tried to burn Galileo at the stake for saying that the earth revolved around the sun? Now only weeks ago, the largest UFO sighting in New York history was written off as "party balloons" (Google: "Manhattan UFOs"), just as the government explained the Roswell UFO crash as being "weather balloons." Have we learned nothing since 1947?
@yoboman69 listen you have to address the FACT that there are CIA documents that expressly suggest using the "ufo phenomenon" for counter-intelligence and as a means to cover up covert operations. To run on and on about the exact programming that has been implemented as though in and of itself it is evidence shows you arent thinking everything through clearly. Its like using a word in its own definition. Did you ever really seriously consider and look into the whole thing as being a set-up?
The CIA routinely uses MANY deceptive practices to muddy the facts surrounding UFOs. The last story they concocted for Roswell is that it was "a high altitude spy test!" The fact is, the US government has been using every kind of cover up, misinformation, and outright deception on the UFO question since the early 40's when UFOs buzzed The White House, forcing President Truman to investigate the phenomenon. But in the final analysis, SamSebe, Have you ever seen a UFO?? I HAVE.
@yoboman69 Its the other way around. They are using the ufo mythos to cover-up what they are really doing. Yes Ive seen two ufos. But that has nothing to do with where they are from. It is only recently that I have come to the conclusion that the whole thing is a front. For my whole life I believed in alien visitors - there is a ton of circumstantial evidence. But its only circumstantial. NOONE wants to admit that. They pretend its real evidence. There is a BIG difference. For a thinking man...
YOU'VE SEEN TWO UFOS? REALLY!! Of all the nonsense you've been posting here so far, this tops the charts. It's impossible to have actually seen a UFO then call the whole thing "a front." But I'll go along with your story just to move this pleasant fiction along. Please describe in detail this "sighting" you had. And report it like a trained observer and eyewitness would... the actual date, time of day, location, weather quality, was Venus clearly visible, etc. Then...
...after you've made your sworn statement and I've had a chance to read your description of this "sighting," then you can explain to us why you doubt the reality of your own eyes and how your 'sighting' qualifies as a "CIA front." What you've just said makes absolutely no sense at all. But clearly, you expect us to believe it. Anxiously awaiting your reply.
@yoboman69 Your answers show that youve already accepted the programming that anything that you see flying in the sky thats not a plane must be alien. Just the idea that aeronautics havent evolved since WWII is ridiculous - you realize that jet airplanes are from WWII right? So weve invented the computer, gone to the moon, have satellites that can read the newspaper on your lap, space probes, mars rovers etc but we still fly around in 1940s technology? Why did the first UFO pics show rivets???
@yoboman69 can you even define "circumstantial evidence???" Do you even know what that means? Because you seem to think they are facts. You act as though youve been to crystal palaces of zeta reticuli or something. It is weird. Its like trying to tell a kid that theres no santa. you wanna tell me about the letters he responded to or the time you actually sat on his lap or how the cookies are gone in the morning. You really just dont get the point of it. It is all circumstantial. 100% of it.
@yoboman69 See?? You just arent getting it. The UFOs are OURS. I mean if I have to explain to you what counter-intelligence or psychological operations or what was called "mind control" in the 50s and 60s or what now might be called "perception management", then there is too much to explain to you and no wonder you dont get it. You arent even considering the most likely reasons. Youre looking right past it - which is the essense of "mind control" - not making zombies but controlling perception.
ARE YOU VISION IMPAIRED SAM SEBE OR JUST PLAIN STUPID?? I ASKED YOU A DIRECT QUESTION AND YOU POST YOUR SAME OLD "MIND CONTROL" BULLSHIT. I ASKED YOU TO DESCRIBE THE TWO ALLEGED UFO SIGHTINGS YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE, AND YOU REPLY WITH THREE MORE PARAGRAPHS OF DECEPTION. NOW I'M TAKING OFF THE KID GLOVES AND CALLING YOU THE LIAR THAT YOU ARE. YOU WANT ME TO ACCEPT YOUR THEORIES? SIMPLE. JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION I JUST PUT TO YOU: EXACTLY WHAT WAS THIS "UFO SIGHTING" OF YOURS??
@yoboman69 ok man youre a moron. sorry gonna block you. you have added nothing to the conversation but anger. You havent shown the simplest good will in wanting to engage in discussion. Rather, youre looking for a forum to express your anger. If you simply cannot separate the idea of aliens and "ufos" in your mind, it perfectly proves my point. You connect the two as though it were fact, and it simply isnt fact. Ive given you months to show any good intentions. You just want to rage.
@yoboman69 The more I think about it, you are a perfect example of what mind-control is. You have allowed your perception to be formed indelibly by the images that the media has presented to you. You are actually unable to separate the two ideas. It goes to show the immense power of images. Im not dogging you as a person. Im sure youre well-intentioned. But look how your demeanor changes when that false idea is challenged. Its useless to even try discussing it with you. Been trying for months.
@yoboman69 I wasn't suggesting that UFO's were evil. I can't claim to know anything about them. I was simply expressing interest in the debate about their origins. I start at the principle that I know only that I know nothing (until I've done some research which is what I'm doing now so thanks for the links)
@DSamSebe1 thinking woman actually ;) The more i look into this this more I can see it from either perspective. Much of it depends on experience with UFO's/entities, but this is also subjective. What I keep coming back to is the one thing I've seen evidence of with my own eyes and that's high level satanic worship amongst the powers that be. If UFO's are alien then why are people with ancient, inside knowledge partaking of such practises? They dig the robes??
@DSamSebe1 yeah I agree in one way, but in another way, nothing is a whole 'nother issue. To me it's all part of the same question. I don't pretend to have answers. Only concerns. I don't doubt that our government have access to technologies beyond our wildest imaginings. I only question the origins of that power. I much appreciate the opportunity to investigate those questions in this forum.
So far you’ve been bitching and complaining and not managing to say a single intelligent thing. You don’t believe in UFOs. Good for you. You want “compelling evidence”? Instead of wasting our time listening to your "expert" opinions on UFOs, for once try educating yourself. Here's a good place to start: The Day Before Disclosur#26357B. Then if you can offer any specific, compelling evidence refuting these experts’ testimony, state them here. Otherwise shut the fuck up.
@yoboman69 The burden of proof is on you. You came here and started acting like you know something when you dont. Dont be a mule. I thought you were bright at first. Obviously a hoax would require expert testimony. Obviously its been ramping up for 10 years now. If I show you a CIA document that says they want to use the ufo phenomenon for psychological warfare and as well as for intelligence and operations would any of it start to make sense to you? And stop cussing like a child. Its lame
@yoboman69 Since you dont get me - I see quite clearly somebody WANTS me to believe in ufos. Ive been getting pounded for 20 years with documentaries, history channel, discovery channel, disclosure project, project camelot etc etc. I finally had to stop and ask myself why are they trying so hard to convince me of something - why is it so important people "believe" in aliens. Listen, it smells like a strong agenda. Very coordinated. Very thorough. And extremely successful from the look of things.
Hal Lindsey thinks they are actually "Demons" that appear to some humans as "Space Aliens"! I know I know and I argee as if I get into a discussion with someone who claims that; I back away and tell them; "ahh, ok" and get way from the them as quickly as possible---love it when some folks make "fake ufos in the sky" and watch the loons come out of the woodwork!
@rangeclerk I tend to agree. I can't say I believe in Space Men but I DO believe in demons, Satan and a secret government. I don't trust any of them. I trust William Cooper, my own eyes and a cover-up. When you take a look at the mystery religion and connect the dots, it seems possible that demons are guiding those in control. What do you think? Please see the blog post I have on the subject and comment. Go to my blog-page and search "Aliens Demons".
@tarheeltim32 and if you ever saw a drawing of the entities (demons) that Aleister Crowley channeled (Lam or Aiwass) in the early part of the 20th century, they look exactly like "alien greys". Its like hollywood purposefully portrayed them as "aliens" over and over again so that when they do appear, people will think that they are from some planet, when really they are spiritual entities.
@tarheeltim32 Nope---am not into "Subjective Thinking" but Objective Thinking---No Evidence of "Demons" and those that have "Demons", well they "created them, for themselves--Drugs, Booze, and not being an Individual--not into "Groupthink"..
Are you so brainwashed in religious nonsense that you actually believe that aliens from other planets are actually DEMONS?? You remind me of that mindless Christian cult called "Heaven's Gate," who believed that Jesus was riding in a UFO in the tail of the Hale-Bopp comet. They all committed suicide to "meet Jesus in heaven." Swell.
Let me ask you a question, sir. Do you actually think Jesus (or Satan, for that matter) needs a flying saucer to get around in?? Think about it.
@yoboman69 I believe the subject is open for a reason, that's all. I believe William Cooper, that the technology is real. I do not think Christ needs a spaceship. Like I said above, I don't believe the threat is from Martians but the threat remains potentially looming on our horizon nonetheless. I have utter faith in the greed of men and that they will stop at nothing to get what they desire. I have faith that deceit is foremost and the main objective of the "Illuminated".
@yoboman69 dude you are missing the whole point. Go wonder! you pretty much take the cake for pompous self-righteous jerk. Pull your head out of your preconceived notions and consider what others have to say.
I believe in demons, too. But what do they have to do with extraterrestrial visitations?
If you wish to have a religious discussion, start one under that subject. But Galileo was nearly burned at the stake by the Inquisition for saying that the earth revolved around the sun, so I don't think it's very productive to relate religious belief with scientific topics. Perhaps they have their own version of the Devil on Zeta Reticuli, but this is an exploration of UFOs, not Satan.
@yoboman69 I'm not sure what demons have to do with extraterrestrials, my friend. I also don't know that they're unrelated either. I do know that science has everything to do with God; It's his creation, so thus the science is also his by definition. I'm not saying that they are the same thing, but the ideas, technology and the potential for control by use of them is likely, whether real or promulgated, to be related in every way.
Monsignor Corrado Balducci, the head of the Vatican press corps just announced to the world that, "UFOs and ETs are real and they are nothing more than a part of God's creation," NOT SATAN'S MESSENGERS. His speech was given the blessing of the Pope himself. So much for your bizarre theory that Satan and UFOs are somehow related.
I find it exceedingly sad how religious fanatics continually try to find "the devil" behind every, single thing that they fear or don't understand.
@yoboman69 so you really dont get the spiritual aspect behind this. The "Pope" does not speak for Christianity - if you think he does, you have a lot more studying to do. If anything, most non-Catholics would say he's in league with the adversary.
@yoboman69 see how you are? you didnt even listen to him or what he said - you just start making nasty comments. He is saying that whats being served up as alien is actually demonic.
Hal Lindsey is the self same religious fanatic / ripoff artist who made millions off of ignorant "true believers" by announcing his prediction of the actual day and date of the return of Christ. When Jesus didn't pay any attention to this lunatic's deadline,
Lindsey wrote ANOTHER "religious revelation" apologizing that his prediction was faulty, then predicted another bogus date. His second book made him more money than his first one!!! Yet more religious bullshit, more deceit.
Your use of the term, “Mind Control,” a popular catch phrase in the mid-sixties, doesn’t lend much relevance to your arguments and your lack of basic UFO knowledge doesn’t insult me, quite the other way around.
I am not “spoon-fed” my information on UFOs, I personally conferred with retired Air Force Colonel Wendell C. Stevens and the head of Project Blue Book and Dr. Allen J. Hynek to discuss their evidence of extra-terrestrial visitations. But what do these “lazy asses” know?
@yoboman69 ok so - share some compelling evidence. Make a point. You have been demeaning since your first post. Your sarcasm does not pass for a good argument. You havent even even addressed any of the points that the speaker here raises. Go to work, my friend.
@yoboman69 and I disagree - programs initiated on the American people to manage their perception has everything to do with this. There are a lot of veils on what we think of as reality. It is a very complex issue with ridiculous ramifications.
You speak with authority on the entire UFO question, even though you have provided us with no credentials of your actual experience (oh, the wonders of the Internet). Perhaps you should "get off your lazy ass" and realize that not everything the US government tells us is necessarily true. Many of the most respected scientists in the country, high level military brass, and many retired NASA astronauts might take take strong exception to your "theories" on the field of UFO research.
@yoboman69 Im not trying to speak with authority. Im trying to speak with common sense. Until very recently, I believed ufos were of alien origin for. Why do you keep mentioning the US govt? In fact it was the military that started the cultural phenomenon by releasing a fake news release. You are arguing against yourself. I am starting to think you dont know what my point is. I like the fact you want to discuss this. Of course I responded the way I did - have you read your original post??
I have a question for you, sir. Have you ever actually SEEN a UFO or been involved in high level UFO research as I have since 1979? If not, may I suggest that you "get off your lazy ass" and realize that not everything the US government tells you is necessarily the truth.
Remember the Vatican's reaction to Galileo? They nearly burned him at the stake for his "heretical statements," forcing him to recant under the pain of torture. Oh, for "the good old days," eh Sam?
@yoboman69 There is loads of actual PROOF of psy-ops and other mind-control (now called perception management) operations perpetuated against the American people and now globally. You call them quaintly antiquated. In reality, that shows how absolutely effective they were. They have become part of popular culture. In addition, theres no denying that theres compelling circumstantial (and potentially photographic) evidence that the NAZIs developed the technology in the 40's.
This fellow David Emory is on a level with such intellectual luminaries as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. I'd place him firmly in the pantheon of "universal thinkers" who once believed that the world was flat and that the sun revolves around the earth. Anyone who attempts to intelligently debunk the mountainous proof of off-world visitations is simply stuck in the old theories, lies, and deceptions of the past. Disbelief in UFOs at this juncture is denial in its purest form.
@yoboman69 Let me make one point, ok? And I am not being sarcastic - Im drawing a direct correlation that is very clear. And if you disagree, please make your point clearly. We have as much evidence that ufos are alien as a child does that santa claus is real. It is exactly the same. That is the truth of the matter. There is not one shred of compelling physical evidence. There are stories of evidence; there is heresay; there is a load or circumstantial evidence. Just like Santa.
So far, all you've been doing is name-calling and making ridiculous allegations without saying a single thing new or interesting. "Santa Claus?" How insightful! How incredibly witty! Give me a specific example of a specific point of UFO information you disagree with, and I will answer it. And how do you know what "compelling evidence" the US government has at Wright Patterson Air Force base or Area 51?
You seem to enjoy trolling internet sites without having anything to say.
@yoboman69 You TALK a big game, but come kick off, you are hiding on the end of the bench. Probably faked an injury so you didnt even have to suit up. I know plenty of guys like you.
And on further thought...in any life there is good and bad. Which could be that there are good ones and bad ones. And, if their intelligence is that much higher than ours, then they must have been on the internet from day one it started working and they been watching and listening to us. Have we finally come to the time when we are smart enough to meet them?
@Licmycat what have you been seeing and where? Are you only guessing they are alien? Not to question you, but there could be many explanations... The point is that UFOs exist but they are MAN-MADE. Are you seeing something you actally think is an alien in the flesh?
@DSamSebe1 Oh, I do have plenty of questions over some of the astounding things I've been seeing and experiencing but my main question now is; Is this technology used by rich thugs to take over the world with power and own it to institute an imperial empire-or real Extraterristrials? But why ME?? I'm a poor woman that has little to my name except for HONESTY. Is THAT why this is happening to me? Or is it about a big change in our society to see what and who we haven't before? Did u see my page?
@Licmycat I did. Some Strange stuff. Very. I wonder what the chances are that there is a military base somewhere not too far? See if you notice, the ufos have been developing over the years. They started out in the 40's as pie tin-lookin things where you could see rivets in the photos - they got a whole lot more streamlined in the 50's, then in the 80's and 90's they started being different shapes like triangles and cylinders. Now theyre like electric strings. Probably cloaking devices.
@DSamSebe1 Yes, there is a military base here. Tinker Field. I suspected that too. But there has been physical things happen to me that was shocking as well as a few things I saw that was too quick to grab my cam. And my first question was; how could any man read my mind and know I was going out to take pixs in the night? Or anytime. I never did that before but it seemed they knew and fixed it so I could get pixs of them. One even was a human looking silhouette. I uploaded them to WebShots.
@DSamSebe1 And in fact, I've had that page for a few years and never had anything but family pixs to put on it! I put a link to it on my page to the left. Wanna just go look for safety sake? WebShots-Democratbrat Any questions ask me here or there. My page pix is the same as the one here.
@DSamSebe1 Btw; I have a video on my page I caught the other night. Closer than he's ever been before for vid. I uploaded it to webshots too. I started seeing strange things in the summer of '08. The first two vids I ever uploaded here. Lights, looked different to my eyes but they were beautiful. Never looked out the window at 4 in the morning before !
I know that you like to tell others that they dont have done any research because the conclusion is the oppsite of yours. That is ofcourse nonsens. And here we go again, you need to tell people that they havent done any research so you will look better in your conclusion. Some actually havent done their research, but you use that argument all the time. You miss alot of information with such one sided approach.
@TrueSkeptic77 You have missed the point entirely. I have told you at one time I had the same beliefs as you. UNTIL I LOOKED DEEPER. Your inquiry is cursory. It does not take into account myriad other factors such as the intelligence aspect which is the most compelling. We have had this discussion. I have no idea why you are dredging this up. If you have some compelling "evidence" then share it.
But all you do is yip yap. Make a damn point. Attacking me doesnt make ufos alien. Share some ideas.
@DSamSebe1 Hey, what part dont you understand in the comments I write to you? Tell me, because I have written (that I have explored) your point of view, and I dont agree at all that this is the only answer for this phenomena, for many reasons. You are ignorant if you claim that someone hasnt done the homework just because the conclusion is opposite of yours. You need to learn to understand what you are reading. Now you are just being retarded, bring out the facts instead of bullshit.
@TrueSkeptic77 I find chatting with you amusing because you accuse me then insult me for doing exactly what you are doing to me. its kinda funny. what is your point? are you ever going to MAKE A POINT? You havent brought up one point of discussion. Why are you attacking me so strongly anyway? We havent even discussed one thing yet. Will you bring up a topic or something to talk about instead of attacking me. What do you think abut MKULTRA? Or General Michael Aquino? Or Project Bluebeam? HAARP??
@TrueSkeptic77 and you dont even know my point of view. You have never bothered to ask what I think or why I think it. so how do you know you have explored it? anyway, I dont even begin to think that things are so cut and dry. we live in a world full of lies where everything is twisted or distorted. and I certainly dont think project camelot has one ounce of credibility. do u have any idea how many "truthers" work for the cia? u think john lear doesnt work for the cia? most "truthers" are plants
@DSamSebe1 You are the source of the crazy conclusion that anyone with another conclusion then your own havent done any research, that is circular reasoning.
@christiantruth1021 Dont confuse Aliens and Demons. Aliens would be extra-terrestrial, but they are of this physical reality. Demons would be extra-Dimensional. They are not the same. Thats where it starts to get much more complicated... Not to mention the possibility that they are us from the future.
@DSamSebe1 Well, the way you can present a possibility that aliens are us from the future, I can present the possibility that demons may posses the power to manifest into these alien creatures. Just as God, in my prescriptive and understanding, is three minds where one became physical, promotes the possibility that some demons can do the same in a sense.
@christiantruth1021 Well ur not getting me - its ok - its confusing and I wasnt clear. So, are you saying demons and angels and God are physical like us?? Because if so, then I will disagree. But thats ok too... What I can see is us making ufo, then claiming thats how the transdimensional beings (demons) travelled here from another planet in order to deceive us that they arent demons. Confusing enough? lol Or the demons themselves gave us the ideas to build the UFOs for that very purpose...
@DSamSebe1 I'm not saying God is physical like us. I meant that Jesus became physical and he's one mind of the God. He's part of the Trinity. So, I have no idea of what demons are capable of.
@christiantruth1021 and the TRUTH is the Nazis started developing this technology in the 40's. And the US got most of the best German scientists and engineers after the war under OPERATION PAPERCLIP. And most o them go to work in New Mexico. And 2 years later something crashes in New Mexico. These are FACTS. Not some made up bullshit ok? If you want truth NASA was started by one of those very same NAZIs, Werner von Braun. The CIA too - Reinhard Gehlen. That is TRUTH. Do some research. Its there.
@DSamSebe1 I know all about Project Paperclip. I also know that before there were any sitings of UFOs, Crowley did a seance and made contact with a demon. He drew a picture of it and resembled what an alien looks like. Regarding spaceships, I don't know which ones were aliens and which ones were humans. That's speculative. Time will tell what's really what when they use this alien scheme to bring the world together to form a one world government. At least that's one possible way.
@christiantruth1021 Well my guess is demons dont need physical craft (ufos), but what if we created ufos so that we could pretend they were from outer space and thats where these "aliens" (demons) came from. Thaat would hide the fact they were demons. Anyway, far as Im concerned, the amount of circumstatial evidence is overwhelming, but theres not one shred of physical proof theyre alien. Big difference. Seems like a psyop to me! Very successful too...
@TrueSkeptic77 this is not a scientific analysis. vallee asks the obvious questions that noone has bothered to consider. Like why the hell would advanced beings need a treaty with mankind. its absurd. but we all run around believing ridiculous things because we've been subjected to generations of propaganda.
@1freedomfighter11 I dont think thats an accurate statement. UFOs have not been reported for 1000s of years. Today we read reports written long ago and WE say they were talking about UFOs. Listen - go look at photos of UFOs from the 40s and 50s. They LOOK like they were built in the 40s and 50s. You can see rivets!! Funny that theyre a lot more advanced looking today isnt it? Way Bigger. Flying in squadrons. No more rivets. You think they flew here in craft with rivets?
@DSamSebe1 Yes it is accurate and no they are not interpretations, Ancient Sumerians said clearly 6000 years ago that alien beings came down and taught them agriculture, mathematics and much more, then there is also the Dropa stones and the tribes there again state they where alien beings. I have not seen any craft from the 40s and 50s that have rivets? We do now have the technology though and most sightings these days are ours.
@1freedomfighter11 Yes thats what the texts say, but it is a very modern interpretation to say that they are talking about UFOs. Im very well aware of the ancient texts. You know, Sitchin's translations are very questionable academically. As a matter of fact, he has no credibility as an academic. And the dropa are hardly good eye witnesses, what with them trying to describe something so out of their paradigm. Anyway, dont get me wrong - Im not some crazy anti-ufo guy. I used to buy into all of
@DSamSebe1 Even the bible talks about gods that came from the sky and had children with our women. No offence but it seems like you are picking and choosing what information you want to use. There is also talk of flying shields in ancient documents. Then there is Roswell where top military personal came forth in their later years to tell us the occupants where not human. I just think it is to soon for us to make any definitive assertions at this time.
the Bible doesnt talk about gods - it talks about a group of angels called the watchers. Im not picking and chosing anything. I have come to see that my belief that UFOs are of alien origin is something someone else is trying to get me to believe very hard - without any hard evidence. None. Hearsay, photos and corrupt translations of ancient texts are the farthest thing from evidence ever. YES UFOs exist. But they are OURS. Seriously - why you think they crash so much? New technology is why.
@DSamSebe1 Part 2: non after the military passed you a visit, and you would not be talking about it as well. Are you aware some firefighter texts have information in them with how to deal with downed ET craft as well as NASA had a law forbidding alien interaction? And the bible talks about the sons of God known as the nephilim.
@DSamSebe1 part 1: It was found that some of our radar systems where taking them down. I agree most are now ours but we should not dismiss ancient sightings and documentation. By the way they are not all billions of years more advanced than us, their are many different species at many different levels of evolution. As for evidence what evidence would you have if one crashed in your back yard?
@I dont but for one second that aliens flying LIGHT YEARS to get here are knocked out by our measly radar. Thats a ridiculous idea. You know how much random energy they would have to fly through to get here? Thats like saying a ship that traveled across the atlantic through a storm sank in port when it started to sprinkle. You know how much radar energy (same wavelength) the sun puts out and how much more intense it is? Radar energy is no different than light, its just a different wavelength.
@1freedomfighter11 well Lear claims to know they are a billion years more advanced than us, but radar knocks them outta the sky?? cmon man thats ludicrous. And if radar knocks em out, why havent ALL UFOs crashed then? The entire Earth in a web of radar systems. every country in the world tracks its airspace. Over every ocean too.
it too. But I have come to see the UFO phenomena for what it is - the most complicated and the most successful psychological operation ever perpetrated on the american (and global) population.
@DSamSebe1 I disagree, you are picking one peace of evidence at a time and picking it apart, try connecting the dots, the only psychological operation seems to be discrediting the subject by any means possible. J Allen hyneks work shows us this.
@1freedomfighter11 Sorry I seem like Im picking and chosing but Im not. Im pointing out that there is no proof. Everything mentioned so far is conjecture, not evidence. Ask any lawyer or scientist.
As for picking and choosing, the same scriptures that talk about the vimanas say that the world was created from a lotus flower that blossomed from Shiva's naval.
@1freedomfighter11 AGAIN that is not accurate. The vimana are described. Aliens are not. Again - a very modern spin on a document written 1000's of years ago. We are reading our ideas into their words. And you cant start picking and choosing which ideas you think are valid and which arent. Do you know how many other things are described in India's scriptures that you would laugh at? And we cant even fully translate Sumerian. Not even close. Maybe 50%. You should rethink what "evidence" means.
@DSamSebe1 No vimanas where said to be flown by Gods, you can not ignore the fact they talked about lasers and possibly nuclear weapons. By the way have you seen the popular mechanics article titled wingless electromagnetic aerial vehicle? I think you will find it interesting.
@1freedomfighter11 Exactly dude - GODS. Not aliens. You know what else they say about their gods? Youre saying its all historically accurate? Anyway, I completely get where you are coming from. Like I said, I used to think they were alien as well. It just took me a very long time to get that there is no hard evidence. Only circumstantial evidence. And if thats the standard, I can prove santa claus exists too. ANyway, thanks for the chat. You know your stuff. You know MKULTRA? Or Bluebeam? HAARP?
@DSamSebe1 Yes nice talking to you as well. I do now a little about HAARP and a little about MKULTRA.
I respect your opinion. Is it your contention that this lie is perpetrated on us to accomplish their staged alien invasion tactic? I just find all the ancient documentation to similar to sightings these days to be ignored.
I think the idea of aliens can be used to coverup any number of things - our own development of anti-grav, misc mind-control programs, weird genetic experiments, who the heck knows? And yes an entire population that believes in something that can be faked (like a ufo invasion) is subject to mass manipulation. Thats scary. Guess youve seen my other vid where in 1917 theyre talking about creating a fake alien threat. Dang dude 1917. Thats a long time to work an idea into the cultural subconscious.
@DSamSebe1 Not at all, i believe the bible to be full of misinterpreted information. Sorry the santa clause analogy is not a good one, we don't have ancient documentation coming from many other sources telling us Santa is real :).
@1freedomfighter11 what I meant by santa is that we create that illusion for our kids and they buy it hook line and sinker. we even trot out a fake santa at the mall for them to meet. no kid ever rode in a sleigh with him as he delivered presents or went to the workshop and met the elves. The entire thing is fabricated, the key people are in on it and nothing exists but circumstantial evidence. Adults are no different than kids. We are easily mislead.
@DSamSebe1 A part 2: i was the first to discover a form of ORMES in my water fuel cell. Also watch the disclosure project if you have not seen it yet. It was a new form of radar that knocked them down. I have not seen your other vid but I will check it out, i learned about the fake alien invasion from the disclosure project. Nice talking to you as well.
@DSamSebe1 B part 2: Many have tried to bring this to us and some have died. If you are interested in this subject google Dr. Mossier-Boss of the US NAVY coldfusion and DoD Worldwide Research on Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions
@DSamSebe1 B part 1: You to my friend. These are clearly strange times where lots of truths are being kept from us. This is why your work here is important as well. We all have to question everything now and search for answers our selves. I learned this after studying the suppression of the work I have done with my water fuel cell.
@DSamSebe1 A part 1: They travel indeterminately where there is no time as we know it. You can see science is now or will soon be discovering this through what is known as ORMES. Watch the secrets of the lost ark when you get a chance, this also has anti gravity properties,
The big problem is that the time frame doesent match up with these sightings thru time. He might very well be wrong, and it sounds out there, but then again. You dont know either.
@TrueSkeptic77 All these people are probably sincere. They were just shown manufactured "evidence" that they believed was genuine. If you even stopped to think about it, there isnt ONE SHRED of hard evidence. None. Its all heresay and photos and stories. But we all run around believing it like kids believing in santa claus. Its exactly the same. Theres a ton of circumstantial evidence, but nothing solid. Zero.
stop buying books stop giving money to those who use the problem has a solution be spiritual and find solution to problem instead of thinking we are doomed be love be one adonai
dumbtrooper 3 months ago
What u r hearing about greys and other creatures is government disinformation to reflect a power myth about America. Aliens are ancient indians that settled on mars and the moon, due to nuclear war & natural disasters. The civilization of india was over 1 million years old.Certain parts of india are still highly radioactive.They were highly spiritual and combined spirituality with technology to travel in Vimanas. Because of this religious and ethnic issue, there will be no disclosure by U.S.
brucaX10 7 months ago
I never believed "Lear" Either...Remember...He is a "Lear"...Research his Father!...If "Lear" was Telling "Top Secret" info....He would Have "Jumped" out of the Same Window That The "Gen." had "Jumped" out of....That's What "Happens" to "Anyone" that Talks about "Real Secrets"...And Another Thing...if These Aliens were a Billion Yrs. ahead of Us...They would have Their Own "Cows"..."Heck"..They would have Their Own.."Billy the Kid"...LOL
TheDrac3000 8 months ago in playlist apollo
This guy has it figured out---The Alien/UFO myth is just a cover for human activity.
mrbrianmccarthy 8 months ago
no... that would be another name for the flying saucers, mother ships and experimental air craft or maybe just some weather balloons . The aliens are people like us only way way better off.
TheSynthZone 9 months ago
Thanks for uploading this
CHRIS1974100 10 months ago
NWO only know the truth, there might be no such things as other life forms, or demons who knows !...One thing for sure is there are evil and there time will come.! Why is such a beautiful planet made so bad with war and greed its all so sad ..........everyone just think " treat people like you and your loved ones would treat each other" the world would be far better place .............Love is our main weapon !.peace.
lannie100 11 months ago
@lannie100
JESUS is our main weapon. For he gives us power to tread on all evil and overcome death.
3VOLution3NO 10 months ago
@3VOLution3NO ....i like it !
lannie100 10 months ago
@3VOLution3NO Jesus died thousands of years ago. But he is your christian "weapon", right?
venuecam 10 months ago
@3VOLution3NO Take it outside churchy--This is video about UFO's and human deception.It has nothing to do with religion or Jesus.Give it a rest would ya?
mrbrianmccarthy 7 months ago
Yeah Dave is a Zionist tool.
purplecalix 11 months ago
@purplecalix being anti-facsist doesnt make you a zionist. and modern zionism is a lot closer to fascism than anything else. most non-jews that would call themselves zionists (like rumsfeld or cheney) wouldnt think zionism has anything to do with the torah. its political and has a lot more to do with white people controlling palestine. go ask any sephardic or ethiopian jew what its like in israel.
DSamSebe1 11 months ago 4
UFOs are demonic. If a person does a thorough investigation into this you will find that the main 'message' UFO occupants preach is this....Christ didn't do any work on the cross for the sins of mankind. Why would 'aliens from space' fly a kazillion miles to tell us that? That's because they didn't. They are nothing more than fallen angels who can appear and disappear at will. The same entities responsible for hauntings, crop circles, marian apparitions and all of the paranormal lies.
johnthreesixteen316 11 months ago
ok...i had enough after just under one minute.. not even going in to all the why's, but lets just say that there is no way some illuminati fella is going to bring me back to the dark ages of smokescreens
reallyfullofmyself 1 year ago
@reallyfullofmyself your ignorance shines though. check out his website. he's been anti-illuminati for over 20 years broadcasting for free on public radio stations across the country. You are hilarious. Think you could spend a little more than 60 seconds using brain before you start cramping up?? The point is that aliens are a smokescreen. Forget it though. Wouldnt wanna tax your brain.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 lols, talk about "brains"...you sure know how to NOT keep a conversation up.
Why don't you do a little reality study. The Monroe Institute has made scientific studies in all forms of consciousness and dimension related stuff as long as you have been alive Mr "Important"....I think their track record proves more then your smoke screen closed minded ignorant "observations" based on NOTHING but exactly the above mentioned.
reallyfullofmyself 11 months ago
@reallyfullofmyself Consiousness and dimension-related stuff? Confusion is defined as melding (fusing) together things that arent related. My friend you are confused. Do you understand that the Germans developed this stuff in the 40's? Look into it. And Dave Emory has been producing hour-long shows every week for more than 20 years outting the illuminati. On his own dime, no less. And you accuse him of complicity. Now thats plain ignorant. Confusion + ignorance = annoying self-righteousness.
DSamSebe1 11 months ago
@reallyfullofmyself I'd be more than happy to discuss it, but drop the self-righteousness. You are full of yourself, no kidding. And you should probably apologize for insulting a man who has spent his life and resources trying to raise the public's level of awareness. Seriously. If you read and understand abstracts from the monroe institute, you should have a certain level of intellectual integrity. Show it.
DSamSebe1 11 months ago
This is why we do not know the truth about UFO's .Science is saying "there must be others like us " as a certain truth. It could of been said a hundred years ago but close minded people with theories would of caused chaos. Now with media we can sort of except it slowly. Now that this is being said more and more 'its the government" people are popping up. You guys refuse to see the truth.. The truth is tomorrow we could wake up at war for our species with a hostile Aliens. SCI-Fi comes to life.
TheRhayden 1 year ago
@TheRhayden exactly...technology has finally caught up to be able to make the screenplay seem believable.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@TheRhayden true but what side is going to walk away with the prize? lol talk about human shields!
TheSynthZone 9 months ago
Far as I know operation paperclip had to do with developing surface to surface rockets and advanced radar techniques. That is indeed what German scientist gave us, so if you have 'proof' they built a UFO then I would love to see it? Even a few credible witnesses to it being manufactured? I mean we have top level military personal holding huge conventions to discuss UFO's as Aliens not US air craft. Besides if it were our Air Craft then it makes no sense for the government to deny they exist.
TheRhayden 1 year ago
@TheRhayden paperclip had to do with any axis figures we wanted to bring to the US. Most were scientists and engineers, but many were not. Many were spies even officers. So youre mistaken. And there are 100s of reasons to hide advanced technology. I dont think youre thinking this through very well. Research Haunebu if you want to see nazi "ufos"
DSamSebe1 7 months ago
Alexander spoke is said to of spoke about UFO's , Columbus documented a UFO on his journey in 1492. Many merchant ships of ancient Rome. Now we can say all of these are 'Fictional" part of the 'God system" but its far more likely to be true then not. The galaxy is to big, to vast for humans to be alone. That is just our galaxy that doesn't take into account string theory or other dimensions. These things were laughed at for a long time but with new science we can prove they exist and we have.
TheRhayden 1 year ago
@TheRhayden columbus said he saw a little light, like a candle bobbing up and down. I have read the description. and what exactly have we proven about aliens? You are making all kinds of statements as if they were fact with absolutely no evidence. I think you should rerthink your position.
DSamSebe1 7 months ago
However well before a US government existed or any modern government for that matter these sightings were taking place. That was well before the 50's , or Roswell and if you need examples I will give you a few here but there are thousands of them. The Ubaidians referenced 'Aliens" and "UFO's" as our creators, long before Christians or Egyptians walked the earth. The Sumerians did the same leaving complex tablets of writing that resembled biblical writing behind thousand of years before Christ.
TheRhayden 1 year ago
@TheRhayden why are you saying the sumerian texts being religious proves aliens? sitchin? really? no sumerian scholar would give that guy a nickel. Annunaki does not mean those from heaven who came or whatever nonsense he made up. There are many sumerian dictionaries available online from reputable sources. Not one makes any such claims.
DSamSebe1 7 months ago
Any ways if people want to say some of these objects are US test planes then fine. I can buy that , I believe we have the technology to make a UFO at least the basic craft. It is not that complicated in fact a Berkeley professor named Richard Muller got into the basic design of such a craft at small scale. If you follow Dr. Michio Kaku then you know even though he believes human kind perfecting space travel is 100's of years away he does think we are holding our selves 'out or back'.
TheRhayden 1 year ago
Since we brought Germany and WWII into it, I think all of history the biggest evidence of Aliens visiting our planet may be the Third Reich. "Aryan" was not first mentioned by the Third Reich but had dated back to Egyptian times. The 'chosen people" as the Third Reich referred to where a pure race on the planet earth. These people spent countless resources searching the world for 'objects' and text they claimed the 'creators' left for them to take power. They were far more advanced then anyone.
TheRhayden 1 year ago
@TheRhayden aryan dates back to hindus, not the egyptians. if you want to see nazi ufos, research haunebu.
DSamSebe1 7 months ago
How do you suggest the German's got there technology? Do you think they developed the 'Bell Project' shortly after perfecting the first turbine engine? Wouldn't that qualify as a 'huge leap' in technology that this guy claims does not exist? I agree and I know back in 'The day' plenty of people did plenty of terrible things. Not just our government but work houses , hospitals, 'slave' runners(post slavery era) ect... my point being today its much easier with media to reach volunteers for 'Cash"
TheRhayden 1 year ago
@TheRhayden Yes they did. They put together a team of scientists that was tasked with developing a propulsionn system that did not use any "jewiish" physics. So they were forced to think outside the paradigm of their time. They were completely separate from werner von braun and the v projects. And Aryan goes back to the Himalayas not to egypt. Their idea that they were decendants of aryans comes from Blavatsky via other occult circles. And blavatsky was a big fraud. Probably she was really a spy
DSamSebe1 11 months ago
Perhaps there abducting people for organ harvesting.Its a possibility china has concentration camps where they harvest organs.Maybe there is more governments doing it as well.
deadreck024 1 year ago
Last , man its dumb to even think we are alone. Government test on people? Get real , crash rules everything around us just ask Jay-Z. Pay all the money for cover ups and fake flying saucers or go to craigslist and offer 5k cash for volunteers . Get real people sell there freaking kidneys these days. Do you think thousands of people would not jump on bored even if the possibility of death were involved? pfft
TheRhayden 1 year ago
@TheRhayden dude the government has been testing on people since before wwII. Just google TUSKEGEE. What school did you go to? Wow. Like what the hell do they teach nowadays?
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@TheRhayden people dont sell their fucking kidneys buddy. they wake up in a bath of ice with their kidney missing. Maybe 1 20 actually sells an organ.
DSamSebe1 11 months ago
@DSamSebe1 wtf does that have to do with anything? damn dude if you arent gonna think, dont bother sharing your "thoughts"
DSamSebe1 7 months ago
Further more I despise guys who 'talk' about the facts. Show us something. Tons of UFO videos out there and plenty that can not be explained. Even more that can be 'explained' using freak methods to recreate them. You can recreate a life size truck using wood and paint but we all know one can move one way and the other can roll back and forth. To the skeptics , anything can be recreated it does not mean its the same.
TheRhayden 1 year ago
@TheRhayden the ufos are ours. we have been developing them since the end of WWII. Both the US and the Soviets acquired advanced prototypes of german flying saucers and german scientists/engineers. They continued the research. research VRIL. Haunebu, the bell (die glocken), operation paperclip. Facts would have to come from people making crazy claims that these vehicles are from outer space not people who have seen through the ufo cover. No hearsay. Facts. No circumstantial evidence. Proof.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@TheRhayden you talk about facts and then talk about videas. You are confused. Do you know what evidence is? And what circumstantial evidence is? And why circumstantial evidence is not allowable in court? U wanna talk about making a case and you do not have one fact in your possession. Weird.
DSamSebe1 11 months ago
You know what the problem is ? This guy draws conclusions from a book of another guy who got his info from another guy that was told by another guy who has info from ect.... I'm sorry UFO's are real and there is plenty of documentation on them as for your 'billion of years advanced' argument the old saying goes. "You must crawl before you can walk". That being said if a master chemist taught an 8th grader all he knows the information would take half his life time to be obtained.
TheRhayden 1 year ago
@TheRhayden UFO are very real. We have been building then for 65+ years. Your problem is you believe what you have been spoonfed. Man - all of the media has been trying to get you to believe in aliens since the 40s and you think youve come to some great conclusion on your own. Hilarious.
DSamSebe1 11 months ago
The UFO phenomenon is a multi-prong problem. There is a real unexplained part to this phenomenon that might be truly unexplained. This planet has a "control system" in place. This system interacts with human consciousness. More research needs to be done here.
trevorcarterva 1 year ago
@trevorcarterva it might also very well be a set-up. As a matter of fact, it is much more likely than any other possible explanation.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
whatever
cashqueen100k 1 year ago
WOW, never actually watched the vid, got too distracted by the heated debate here. Have been plagued by exactly these questions recently, so thanks everyone for getting me thinking. I have no personal experience of aliens, just some really weird experiences. And am not religious, but see that there is 'evil' in the world, whether it's demons or not, don't know. Am going to scuttle off now and follow all of your links and leads. Thanks again
MyBeinghuman 1 year ago
@MyBeinghuman haha its all to get you thinking. Thats the point. Happy researching. Beware the story thats too good to be true!
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@MyBeinghuman
There is absolutely no evidence that UFOs are "evil" anymore than the preposterous notion that ETs are actually Satan's emissaries flying around in space ships, as the Christian church believes. In fact, a few months ago the Vatican made a public statement on MSNBC Network News that, "UFOs and ETs are nothing more than a part of God's creation," completely negating and openly disagreeing with their Christian brothers.
Why is it that whenever mankind doesn't understand something.
yoboman69 1 year ago
we respond by labeling it as "evil"? Not long ago, all disease was believed to be God's punishment for sin. And how soon the Vatican forgot that it was they who tried to burn Galileo at the stake for saying that the earth revolved around the sun? Now only weeks ago, the largest UFO sighting in New York history was written off as "party balloons" (Google: "Manhattan UFOs"), just as the government explained the Roswell UFO crash as being "weather balloons." Have we learned nothing since 1947?
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69 listen you have to address the FACT that there are CIA documents that expressly suggest using the "ufo phenomenon" for counter-intelligence and as a means to cover up covert operations. To run on and on about the exact programming that has been implemented as though in and of itself it is evidence shows you arent thinking everything through clearly. Its like using a word in its own definition. Did you ever really seriously consider and look into the whole thing as being a set-up?
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1
The CIA routinely uses MANY deceptive practices to muddy the facts surrounding UFOs. The last story they concocted for Roswell is that it was "a high altitude spy test!" The fact is, the US government has been using every kind of cover up, misinformation, and outright deception on the UFO question since the early 40's when UFOs buzzed The White House, forcing President Truman to investigate the phenomenon. But in the final analysis, SamSebe, Have you ever seen a UFO?? I HAVE.
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69 Its the other way around. They are using the ufo mythos to cover-up what they are really doing. Yes Ive seen two ufos. But that has nothing to do with where they are from. It is only recently that I have come to the conclusion that the whole thing is a front. For my whole life I believed in alien visitors - there is a ton of circumstantial evidence. But its only circumstantial. NOONE wants to admit that. They pretend its real evidence. There is a BIG difference. For a thinking man...
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1
YOU'VE SEEN TWO UFOS? REALLY!! Of all the nonsense you've been posting here so far, this tops the charts. It's impossible to have actually seen a UFO then call the whole thing "a front." But I'll go along with your story just to move this pleasant fiction along. Please describe in detail this "sighting" you had. And report it like a trained observer and eyewitness would... the actual date, time of day, location, weather quality, was Venus clearly visible, etc. Then...
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69
...after you've made your sworn statement and I've had a chance to read your description of this "sighting," then you can explain to us why you doubt the reality of your own eyes and how your 'sighting' qualifies as a "CIA front." What you've just said makes absolutely no sense at all. But clearly, you expect us to believe it. Anxiously awaiting your reply.
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69 Your answers show that youve already accepted the programming that anything that you see flying in the sky thats not a plane must be alien. Just the idea that aeronautics havent evolved since WWII is ridiculous - you realize that jet airplanes are from WWII right? So weve invented the computer, gone to the moon, have satellites that can read the newspaper on your lap, space probes, mars rovers etc but we still fly around in 1940s technology? Why did the first UFO pics show rivets???
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@yoboman69 can you even define "circumstantial evidence???" Do you even know what that means? Because you seem to think they are facts. You act as though youve been to crystal palaces of zeta reticuli or something. It is weird. Its like trying to tell a kid that theres no santa. you wanna tell me about the letters he responded to or the time you actually sat on his lap or how the cookies are gone in the morning. You really just dont get the point of it. It is all circumstantial. 100% of it.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@yoboman69 See?? You just arent getting it. The UFOs are OURS. I mean if I have to explain to you what counter-intelligence or psychological operations or what was called "mind control" in the 50s and 60s or what now might be called "perception management", then there is too much to explain to you and no wonder you dont get it. You arent even considering the most likely reasons. Youre looking right past it - which is the essense of "mind control" - not making zombies but controlling perception.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1
ARE YOU VISION IMPAIRED SAM SEBE OR JUST PLAIN STUPID?? I ASKED YOU A DIRECT QUESTION AND YOU POST YOUR SAME OLD "MIND CONTROL" BULLSHIT. I ASKED YOU TO DESCRIBE THE TWO ALLEGED UFO SIGHTINGS YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE, AND YOU REPLY WITH THREE MORE PARAGRAPHS OF DECEPTION. NOW I'M TAKING OFF THE KID GLOVES AND CALLING YOU THE LIAR THAT YOU ARE. YOU WANT ME TO ACCEPT YOUR THEORIES? SIMPLE. JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION I JUST PUT TO YOU: EXACTLY WHAT WAS THIS "UFO SIGHTING" OF YOURS??
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69 ok man youre a moron. sorry gonna block you. you have added nothing to the conversation but anger. You havent shown the simplest good will in wanting to engage in discussion. Rather, youre looking for a forum to express your anger. If you simply cannot separate the idea of aliens and "ufos" in your mind, it perfectly proves my point. You connect the two as though it were fact, and it simply isnt fact. Ive given you months to show any good intentions. You just want to rage.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@yoboman69 The more I think about it, you are a perfect example of what mind-control is. You have allowed your perception to be formed indelibly by the images that the media has presented to you. You are actually unable to separate the two ideas. It goes to show the immense power of images. Im not dogging you as a person. Im sure youre well-intentioned. But look how your demeanor changes when that false idea is challenged. Its useless to even try discussing it with you. Been trying for months.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@yoboman69 I wasn't suggesting that UFO's were evil. I can't claim to know anything about them. I was simply expressing interest in the debate about their origins. I start at the principle that I know only that I know nothing (until I've done some research which is what I'm doing now so thanks for the links)
MyBeinghuman 1 year ago
@MyBeinghuman a thinking man is well appreciated here. thank you.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 thinking woman actually ;) The more i look into this this more I can see it from either perspective. Much of it depends on experience with UFO's/entities, but this is also subjective. What I keep coming back to is the one thing I've seen evidence of with my own eyes and that's high level satanic worship amongst the powers that be. If UFO's are alien then why are people with ancient, inside knowledge partaking of such practises? They dig the robes??
MyBeinghuman 1 year ago
@MyBeinghuman The ufos are ours - Im nearly certain. Im still struggling with the occult aspect. Thats a whole 'nother issue.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 yeah I agree in one way, but in another way, nothing is a whole 'nother issue. To me it's all part of the same question. I don't pretend to have answers. Only concerns. I don't doubt that our government have access to technologies beyond our wildest imaginings. I only question the origins of that power. I much appreciate the opportunity to investigate those questions in this forum.
MyBeinghuman 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1
So far you’ve been bitching and complaining and not managing to say a single intelligent thing. You don’t believe in UFOs. Good for you. You want “compelling evidence”? Instead of wasting our time listening to your "expert" opinions on UFOs, for once try educating yourself. Here's a good place to start: The Day Before Disclosur#26357B. Then if you can offer any specific, compelling evidence refuting these experts’ testimony, state them here. Otherwise shut the fuck up.
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69 The burden of proof is on you. You came here and started acting like you know something when you dont. Dont be a mule. I thought you were bright at first. Obviously a hoax would require expert testimony. Obviously its been ramping up for 10 years now. If I show you a CIA document that says they want to use the ufo phenomenon for psychological warfare and as well as for intelligence and operations would any of it start to make sense to you? And stop cussing like a child. Its lame
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@yoboman69 Since you dont get me - I see quite clearly somebody WANTS me to believe in ufos. Ive been getting pounded for 20 years with documentaries, history channel, discovery channel, disclosure project, project camelot etc etc. I finally had to stop and ask myself why are they trying so hard to convince me of something - why is it so important people "believe" in aliens. Listen, it smells like a strong agenda. Very coordinated. Very thorough. And extremely successful from the look of things.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
Hal Lindsey thinks they are actually "Demons" that appear to some humans as "Space Aliens"! I know I know and I argee as if I get into a discussion with someone who claims that; I back away and tell them; "ahh, ok" and get way from the them as quickly as possible---love it when some folks make "fake ufos in the sky" and watch the loons come out of the woodwork!
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@rangeclerk I tend to agree. I can't say I believe in Space Men but I DO believe in demons, Satan and a secret government. I don't trust any of them. I trust William Cooper, my own eyes and a cover-up. When you take a look at the mystery religion and connect the dots, it seems possible that demons are guiding those in control. What do you think? Please see the blog post I have on the subject and comment. Go to my blog-page and search "Aliens Demons".
-Timothy
homageofreason . com
tarheeltim32 1 year ago
@tarheeltim32 and if you ever saw a drawing of the entities (demons) that Aleister Crowley channeled (Lam or Aiwass) in the early part of the 20th century, they look exactly like "alien greys". Its like hollywood purposefully portrayed them as "aliens" over and over again so that when they do appear, people will think that they are from some planet, when really they are spiritual entities.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@tarheeltim32 Nope---am not into "Subjective Thinking" but Objective Thinking---No Evidence of "Demons" and those that have "Demons", well they "created them, for themselves--Drugs, Booze, and not being an Individual--not into "Groupthink"..
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@tarheeltim32
Are you so brainwashed in religious nonsense that you actually believe that aliens from other planets are actually DEMONS?? You remind me of that mindless Christian cult called "Heaven's Gate," who believed that Jesus was riding in a UFO in the tail of the Hale-Bopp comet. They all committed suicide to "meet Jesus in heaven." Swell.
Let me ask you a question, sir. Do you actually think Jesus (or Satan, for that matter) needs a flying saucer to get around in?? Think about it.
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69 I believe the subject is open for a reason, that's all. I believe William Cooper, that the technology is real. I do not think Christ needs a spaceship. Like I said above, I don't believe the threat is from Martians but the threat remains potentially looming on our horizon nonetheless. I have utter faith in the greed of men and that they will stop at nothing to get what they desire. I have faith that deceit is foremost and the main objective of the "Illuminated".
tarheeltim32 1 year ago
@yoboman69 dude you are missing the whole point. Go wonder! you pretty much take the cake for pompous self-righteous jerk. Pull your head out of your preconceived notions and consider what others have to say.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@tarheeltim32
I believe in demons, too. But what do they have to do with extraterrestrial visitations?
If you wish to have a religious discussion, start one under that subject. But Galileo was nearly burned at the stake by the Inquisition for saying that the earth revolved around the sun, so I don't think it's very productive to relate religious belief with scientific topics. Perhaps they have their own version of the Devil on Zeta Reticuli, but this is an exploration of UFOs, not Satan.
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69 I'm not sure what demons have to do with extraterrestrials, my friend. I also don't know that they're unrelated either. I do know that science has everything to do with God; It's his creation, so thus the science is also his by definition. I'm not saying that they are the same thing, but the ideas, technology and the potential for control by use of them is likely, whether real or promulgated, to be related in every way.
tarheeltim32 1 year ago
@tarheeltim32
Monsignor Corrado Balducci, the head of the Vatican press corps just announced to the world that, "UFOs and ETs are real and they are nothing more than a part of God's creation," NOT SATAN'S MESSENGERS. His speech was given the blessing of the Pope himself. So much for your bizarre theory that Satan and UFOs are somehow related.
I find it exceedingly sad how religious fanatics continually try to find "the devil" behind every, single thing that they fear or don't understand.
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69
I rest my case.
tarheeltim32 1 year ago
@tarheeltim32
"Case"? WHAT CASE??
Happy demon hunting...
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69 lolol happy alien hunting buddy lolol
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@yoboman69 so you really dont get the spiritual aspect behind this. The "Pope" does not speak for Christianity - if you think he does, you have a lot more studying to do. If anything, most non-Catholics would say he's in league with the adversary.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@tarheeltim32 maybe the "ET's" are not ET - maybe they are extra-dimensional.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@yoboman69 see how you are? you didnt even listen to him or what he said - you just start making nasty comments. He is saying that whats being served up as alien is actually demonic.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@rangeclerk
Hal Lindsey is the self same religious fanatic / ripoff artist who made millions off of ignorant "true believers" by announcing his prediction of the actual day and date of the return of Christ. When Jesus didn't pay any attention to this lunatic's deadline,
Lindsey wrote ANOTHER "religious revelation" apologizing that his prediction was faulty, then predicted another bogus date. His second book made him more money than his first one!!! Yet more religious bullshit, more deceit.
yoboman69 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1
Your use of the term, “Mind Control,” a popular catch phrase in the mid-sixties, doesn’t lend much relevance to your arguments and your lack of basic UFO knowledge doesn’t insult me, quite the other way around.
I am not “spoon-fed” my information on UFOs, I personally conferred with retired Air Force Colonel Wendell C. Stevens and the head of Project Blue Book and Dr. Allen J. Hynek to discuss their evidence of extra-terrestrial visitations. But what do these “lazy asses” know?
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69 ok so - share some compelling evidence. Make a point. You have been demeaning since your first post. Your sarcasm does not pass for a good argument. You havent even even addressed any of the points that the speaker here raises. Go to work, my friend.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@yoboman69 and I disagree - programs initiated on the American people to manage their perception has everything to do with this. There are a lot of veils on what we think of as reality. It is a very complex issue with ridiculous ramifications.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1
You speak with authority on the entire UFO question, even though you have provided us with no credentials of your actual experience (oh, the wonders of the Internet). Perhaps you should "get off your lazy ass" and realize that not everything the US government tells us is necessarily true. Many of the most respected scientists in the country, high level military brass, and many retired NASA astronauts might take take strong exception to your "theories" on the field of UFO research.
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69 Im not trying to speak with authority. Im trying to speak with common sense. Until very recently, I believed ufos were of alien origin for. Why do you keep mentioning the US govt? In fact it was the military that started the cultural phenomenon by releasing a fake news release. You are arguing against yourself. I am starting to think you dont know what my point is. I like the fact you want to discuss this. Of course I responded the way I did - have you read your original post??
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@yoboman69 yeah sometimes just reply in 5 seconds sorry dont mean to be rude
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1
I have a question for you, sir. Have you ever actually SEEN a UFO or been involved in high level UFO research as I have since 1979? If not, may I suggest that you "get off your lazy ass" and realize that not everything the US government tells you is necessarily the truth.
Remember the Vatican's reaction to Galileo? They nearly burned him at the stake for his "heretical statements," forcing him to recant under the pain of torture. Oh, for "the good old days," eh Sam?
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69 There is loads of actual PROOF of psy-ops and other mind-control (now called perception management) operations perpetuated against the American people and now globally. You call them quaintly antiquated. In reality, that shows how absolutely effective they were. They have become part of popular culture. In addition, theres no denying that theres compelling circumstantial (and potentially photographic) evidence that the NAZIs developed the technology in the 40's.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
This fellow David Emory is on a level with such intellectual luminaries as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. I'd place him firmly in the pantheon of "universal thinkers" who once believed that the world was flat and that the sun revolves around the earth. Anyone who attempts to intelligently debunk the mountainous proof of off-world visitations is simply stuck in the old theories, lies, and deceptions of the past. Disbelief in UFOs at this juncture is denial in its purest form.
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69 Let me make one point, ok? And I am not being sarcastic - Im drawing a direct correlation that is very clear. And if you disagree, please make your point clearly. We have as much evidence that ufos are alien as a child does that santa claus is real. It is exactly the same. That is the truth of the matter. There is not one shred of compelling physical evidence. There are stories of evidence; there is heresay; there is a load or circumstantial evidence. Just like Santa.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1
So far, all you've been doing is name-calling and making ridiculous allegations without saying a single thing new or interesting. "Santa Claus?" How insightful! How incredibly witty! Give me a specific example of a specific point of UFO information you disagree with, and I will answer it. And how do you know what "compelling evidence" the US government has at Wright Patterson Air Force base or Area 51?
You seem to enjoy trolling internet sites without having anything to say.
yoboman69 1 year ago
@yoboman69 You TALK a big game, but come kick off, you are hiding on the end of the bench. Probably faked an injury so you didnt even have to suit up. I know plenty of guys like you.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
And on further thought...in any life there is good and bad. Which could be that there are good ones and bad ones. And, if their intelligence is that much higher than ours, then they must have been on the internet from day one it started working and they been watching and listening to us. Have we finally come to the time when we are smart enough to meet them?
Licmycat 1 year ago
@Licmycat what have you been seeing and where? Are you only guessing they are alien? Not to question you, but there could be many explanations... The point is that UFOs exist but they are MAN-MADE. Are you seeing something you actally think is an alien in the flesh?
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 Oh, I do have plenty of questions over some of the astounding things I've been seeing and experiencing but my main question now is; Is this technology used by rich thugs to take over the world with power and own it to institute an imperial empire-or real Extraterristrials? But why ME?? I'm a poor woman that has little to my name except for HONESTY. Is THAT why this is happening to me? Or is it about a big change in our society to see what and who we haven't before? Did u see my page?
Licmycat 1 year ago
@Licmycat I did. Some Strange stuff. Very. I wonder what the chances are that there is a military base somewhere not too far? See if you notice, the ufos have been developing over the years. They started out in the 40's as pie tin-lookin things where you could see rivets in the photos - they got a whole lot more streamlined in the 50's, then in the 80's and 90's they started being different shapes like triangles and cylinders. Now theyre like electric strings. Probably cloaking devices.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 Yes, there is a military base here. Tinker Field. I suspected that too. But there has been physical things happen to me that was shocking as well as a few things I saw that was too quick to grab my cam. And my first question was; how could any man read my mind and know I was going out to take pixs in the night? Or anytime. I never did that before but it seemed they knew and fixed it so I could get pixs of them. One even was a human looking silhouette. I uploaded them to WebShots.
Licmycat 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 And in fact, I've had that page for a few years and never had anything but family pixs to put on it! I put a link to it on my page to the left. Wanna just go look for safety sake? WebShots-Democratbrat Any questions ask me here or there. My page pix is the same as the one here.
Licmycat 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 Btw; I have a video on my page I caught the other night. Closer than he's ever been before for vid. I uploaded it to webshots too. I started seeing strange things in the summer of '08. The first two vids I ever uploaded here. Lights, looked different to my eyes but they were beautiful. Never looked out the window at 4 in the morning before !
Licmycat 1 year ago
How come I been seeing them then? Why would anyone bother to mess with me? An old poor woman. That's ludicrious....
Licmycat 1 year ago
I know that you like to tell others that they dont have done any research because the conclusion is the oppsite of yours. That is ofcourse nonsens. And here we go again, you need to tell people that they havent done any research so you will look better in your conclusion. Some actually havent done their research, but you use that argument all the time. You miss alot of information with such one sided approach.
TrueSkeptic77 1 year ago
@TrueSkeptic77 You have missed the point entirely. I have told you at one time I had the same beliefs as you. UNTIL I LOOKED DEEPER. Your inquiry is cursory. It does not take into account myriad other factors such as the intelligence aspect which is the most compelling. We have had this discussion. I have no idea why you are dredging this up. If you have some compelling "evidence" then share it.
But all you do is yip yap. Make a damn point. Attacking me doesnt make ufos alien. Share some ideas.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 Hey, what part dont you understand in the comments I write to you? Tell me, because I have written (that I have explored) your point of view, and I dont agree at all that this is the only answer for this phenomena, for many reasons. You are ignorant if you claim that someone hasnt done the homework just because the conclusion is opposite of yours. You need to learn to understand what you are reading. Now you are just being retarded, bring out the facts instead of bullshit.
TrueSkeptic77 1 year ago
@TrueSkeptic77 I find chatting with you amusing because you accuse me then insult me for doing exactly what you are doing to me. its kinda funny. what is your point? are you ever going to MAKE A POINT? You havent brought up one point of discussion. Why are you attacking me so strongly anyway? We havent even discussed one thing yet. Will you bring up a topic or something to talk about instead of attacking me. What do you think abut MKULTRA? Or General Michael Aquino? Or Project Bluebeam? HAARP??
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@TrueSkeptic77 and you dont even know my point of view. You have never bothered to ask what I think or why I think it. so how do you know you have explored it? anyway, I dont even begin to think that things are so cut and dry. we live in a world full of lies where everything is twisted or distorted. and I certainly dont think project camelot has one ounce of credibility. do u have any idea how many "truthers" work for the cia? u think john lear doesnt work for the cia? most "truthers" are plants
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@TrueSkeptic77 anyway just be cool. enough craziness.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 You are the source of the crazy conclusion that anyone with another conclusion then your own havent done any research, that is circular reasoning.
TrueSkeptic77 1 year ago
Some UFO's are from aliens or were originally from aliens. Aliens are demons.
christiantruth1021 1 year ago
@christiantruth1021 Dont confuse Aliens and Demons. Aliens would be extra-terrestrial, but they are of this physical reality. Demons would be extra-Dimensional. They are not the same. Thats where it starts to get much more complicated... Not to mention the possibility that they are us from the future.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 Well, the way you can present a possibility that aliens are us from the future, I can present the possibility that demons may posses the power to manifest into these alien creatures. Just as God, in my prescriptive and understanding, is three minds where one became physical, promotes the possibility that some demons can do the same in a sense.
christiantruth1021 1 year ago
@christiantruth1021 Well ur not getting me - its ok - its confusing and I wasnt clear. So, are you saying demons and angels and God are physical like us?? Because if so, then I will disagree. But thats ok too... What I can see is us making ufo, then claiming thats how the transdimensional beings (demons) travelled here from another planet in order to deceive us that they arent demons. Confusing enough? lol Or the demons themselves gave us the ideas to build the UFOs for that very purpose...
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 I'm not saying God is physical like us. I meant that Jesus became physical and he's one mind of the God. He's part of the Trinity. So, I have no idea of what demons are capable of.
It's not confusing. I understand what you mean.
christiantruth1021 1 year ago
@christiantruth1021 and the TRUTH is the Nazis started developing this technology in the 40's. And the US got most of the best German scientists and engineers after the war under OPERATION PAPERCLIP. And most o them go to work in New Mexico. And 2 years later something crashes in New Mexico. These are FACTS. Not some made up bullshit ok? If you want truth NASA was started by one of those very same NAZIs, Werner von Braun. The CIA too - Reinhard Gehlen. That is TRUTH. Do some research. Its there.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 I know all about Project Paperclip. I also know that before there were any sitings of UFOs, Crowley did a seance and made contact with a demon. He drew a picture of it and resembled what an alien looks like. Regarding spaceships, I don't know which ones were aliens and which ones were humans. That's speculative. Time will tell what's really what when they use this alien scheme to bring the world together to form a one world government. At least that's one possible way.
christiantruth1021 1 year ago
@christiantruth1021 Well my guess is demons dont need physical craft (ufos), but what if we created ufos so that we could pretend they were from outer space and thats where these "aliens" (demons) came from. Thaat would hide the fact they were demons. Anyway, far as Im concerned, the amount of circumstatial evidence is overwhelming, but theres not one shred of physical proof theyre alien. Big difference. Seems like a psyop to me! Very successful too...
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 i personally believe that this is explained between demons, advanced covert technology, &/or some combination thereof.
projectoutdream 1 year ago
@projectoutdream that seems a very likely scenario to me too.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1
I will come here every time when Im needed to, you can be sure of that.
TrueSkeptic77 1 year ago
@TrueSkeptic77 good luck my friend.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1
I have told you, Im not your friend and I know what I discuss, try it.
TrueSkeptic77 1 year ago
@TrueSkeptic77 You dont know what you know, my friend. And you certainly dont know what you you dont know.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
Keep up the good work, brother. John Todd and Randall N Baer died telling us what these beings really are.
5to22a 1 year ago 2
Well this is among the worst so called scientific analysis I have heard.
TrueSkeptic77 1 year ago
@TrueSkeptic77 this is not a scientific analysis. vallee asks the obvious questions that noone has bothered to consider. Like why the hell would advanced beings need a treaty with mankind. its absurd. but we all run around believing ridiculous things because we've been subjected to generations of propaganda.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
one major flaw in this. they have been reported for thousands of years.
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
@1freedomfighter11 I dont think thats an accurate statement. UFOs have not been reported for 1000s of years. Today we read reports written long ago and WE say they were talking about UFOs. Listen - go look at photos of UFOs from the 40s and 50s. They LOOK like they were built in the 40s and 50s. You can see rivets!! Funny that theyre a lot more advanced looking today isnt it? Way Bigger. Flying in squadrons. No more rivets. You think they flew here in craft with rivets?
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 Yes it is accurate and no they are not interpretations, Ancient Sumerians said clearly 6000 years ago that alien beings came down and taught them agriculture, mathematics and much more, then there is also the Dropa stones and the tribes there again state they where alien beings. I have not seen any craft from the 40s and 50s that have rivets? We do now have the technology though and most sightings these days are ours.
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
@1freedomfighter11 Yes thats what the texts say, but it is a very modern interpretation to say that they are talking about UFOs. Im very well aware of the ancient texts. You know, Sitchin's translations are very questionable academically. As a matter of fact, he has no credibility as an academic. And the dropa are hardly good eye witnesses, what with them trying to describe something so out of their paradigm. Anyway, dont get me wrong - Im not some crazy anti-ufo guy. I used to buy into all of
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 Even the bible talks about gods that came from the sky and had children with our women. No offence but it seems like you are picking and choosing what information you want to use. There is also talk of flying shields in ancient documents. Then there is Roswell where top military personal came forth in their later years to tell us the occupants where not human. I just think it is to soon for us to make any definitive assertions at this time.
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
the Bible doesnt talk about gods - it talks about a group of angels called the watchers. Im not picking and chosing anything. I have come to see that my belief that UFOs are of alien origin is something someone else is trying to get me to believe very hard - without any hard evidence. None. Hearsay, photos and corrupt translations of ancient texts are the farthest thing from evidence ever. YES UFOs exist. But they are OURS. Seriously - why you think they crash so much? New technology is why.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 Part 2: non after the military passed you a visit, and you would not be talking about it as well. Are you aware some firefighter texts have information in them with how to deal with downed ET craft as well as NASA had a law forbidding alien interaction? And the bible talks about the sons of God known as the nephilim.
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 part 1: It was found that some of our radar systems where taking them down. I agree most are now ours but we should not dismiss ancient sightings and documentation. By the way they are not all billions of years more advanced than us, their are many different species at many different levels of evolution. As for evidence what evidence would you have if one crashed in your back yard?
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
@I dont but for one second that aliens flying LIGHT YEARS to get here are knocked out by our measly radar. Thats a ridiculous idea. You know how much random energy they would have to fly through to get here? Thats like saying a ship that traveled across the atlantic through a storm sank in port when it started to sprinkle. You know how much radar energy (same wavelength) the sun puts out and how much more intense it is? Radar energy is no different than light, its just a different wavelength.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@1freedomfighter11 well Lear claims to know they are a billion years more advanced than us, but radar knocks them outta the sky?? cmon man thats ludicrous. And if radar knocks em out, why havent ALL UFOs crashed then? The entire Earth in a web of radar systems. every country in the world tracks its airspace. Over every ocean too.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
it too. But I have come to see the UFO phenomena for what it is - the most complicated and the most successful psychological operation ever perpetrated on the american (and global) population.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 I disagree, you are picking one peace of evidence at a time and picking it apart, try connecting the dots, the only psychological operation seems to be discrediting the subject by any means possible. J Allen hyneks work shows us this.
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
@1freedomfighter11 Sorry I seem like Im picking and chosing but Im not. Im pointing out that there is no proof. Everything mentioned so far is conjecture, not evidence. Ask any lawyer or scientist.
As for picking and choosing, the same scriptures that talk about the vimanas say that the world was created from a lotus flower that blossomed from Shiva's naval.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 Ps there is also talk of aliens in ancient India documents. They flew vimanas.
Cheers.
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
@1freedomfighter11 AGAIN that is not accurate. The vimana are described. Aliens are not. Again - a very modern spin on a document written 1000's of years ago. We are reading our ideas into their words. And you cant start picking and choosing which ideas you think are valid and which arent. Do you know how many other things are described in India's scriptures that you would laugh at? And we cant even fully translate Sumerian. Not even close. Maybe 50%. You should rethink what "evidence" means.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 No vimanas where said to be flown by Gods, you can not ignore the fact they talked about lasers and possibly nuclear weapons. By the way have you seen the popular mechanics article titled wingless electromagnetic aerial vehicle? I think you will find it interesting.
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
@1freedomfighter11 Exactly dude - GODS. Not aliens. You know what else they say about their gods? Youre saying its all historically accurate? Anyway, I completely get where you are coming from. Like I said, I used to think they were alien as well. It just took me a very long time to get that there is no hard evidence. Only circumstantial evidence. And if thats the standard, I can prove santa claus exists too. ANyway, thanks for the chat. You know your stuff. You know MKULTRA? Or Bluebeam? HAARP?
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 Yes nice talking to you as well. I do now a little about HAARP and a little about MKULTRA.
I respect your opinion. Is it your contention that this lie is perpetrated on us to accomplish their staged alien invasion tactic? I just find all the ancient documentation to similar to sightings these days to be ignored.
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
I think the idea of aliens can be used to coverup any number of things - our own development of anti-grav, misc mind-control programs, weird genetic experiments, who the heck knows? And yes an entire population that believes in something that can be faked (like a ufo invasion) is subject to mass manipulation. Thats scary. Guess youve seen my other vid where in 1917 theyre talking about creating a fake alien threat. Dang dude 1917. Thats a long time to work an idea into the cultural subconscious.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 Not at all, i believe the bible to be full of misinterpreted information. Sorry the santa clause analogy is not a good one, we don't have ancient documentation coming from many other sources telling us Santa is real :).
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
@1freedomfighter11 what I meant by santa is that we create that illusion for our kids and they buy it hook line and sinker. we even trot out a fake santa at the mall for them to meet. no kid ever rode in a sleigh with him as he delivered presents or went to the workshop and met the elves. The entire thing is fabricated, the key people are in on it and nothing exists but circumstantial evidence. Adults are no different than kids. We are easily mislead.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@1freedomfighter11 anyway thanks again for the chat. its important and I appreciate it.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 A part 2: i was the first to discover a form of ORMES in my water fuel cell. Also watch the disclosure project if you have not seen it yet. It was a new form of radar that knocked them down. I have not seen your other vid but I will check it out, i learned about the fake alien invasion from the disclosure project. Nice talking to you as well.
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
@1freedomfighter11 keep up the good work!
DSamSebe1 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 B part 2: Many have tried to bring this to us and some have died. If you are interested in this subject google Dr. Mossier-Boss of the US NAVY coldfusion and DoD Worldwide Research on Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions
Increasing and Gaining Acceptance.
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 B part 1: You to my friend. These are clearly strange times where lots of truths are being kept from us. This is why your work here is important as well. We all have to question everything now and search for answers our selves. I learned this after studying the suppression of the work I have done with my water fuel cell.
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
@DSamSebe1 A part 1: They travel indeterminately where there is no time as we know it. You can see science is now or will soon be discovering this through what is known as ORMES. Watch the secrets of the lost ark when you get a chance, this also has anti gravity properties,
1freedomfighter11 1 year ago
Lol not the crazy John Lear lunatic. That guy claims that theres an alien soul catcher on the moon.
hehehehehehehehehehehe
Marbus0 1 year ago
@Marbus0
The big problem is that the time frame doesent match up with these sightings thru time. He might very well be wrong, and it sounds out there, but then again. You dont know either.
TrueSkeptic77 1 year ago
@TrueSkeptic77 All these people are probably sincere. They were just shown manufactured "evidence" that they believed was genuine. If you even stopped to think about it, there isnt ONE SHRED of hard evidence. None. Its all heresay and photos and stories. But we all run around believing it like kids believing in santa claus. Its exactly the same. Theres a ton of circumstantial evidence, but nothing solid. Zero.
DSamSebe1 1 year ago