@WiseInfant I am aware of that; inverted crosses are used elsewhere in the Vatican. That makes a rather interesting metaphysical/spiritual statement....
@WiseInfant You'll have to excuse JPI280978. The only "proof" he consents to is his own interpretations of visions, scriptures, etc., his own fantastical conspiracy theories, and fellow random posters on the internet that he deems "mystics."
Of course, if any of these kinds of "proof" don't serve him right then, he'll discount it. For you, for example, he'd require C-SPAN footage of the burial. For his claims that Opus Dei was behind 9/11 - the rules are a little looser.
PROOF: Concerning the manner of Peter's death, we possess a tradition--attested to by Tertullian at the end of the Second Century and by Origen (in Eusebius, "Hist. Eccl.", II, i)--that he suffered crucifixion. Origen says: "Peter was crucified at Rome with his head downwards, as he himself had desired to suffer".
@inlight001 Something written 1-200 years post facto is NOT contemporary evidence. Only with contemporary evidence (eyewitness account, govt. documents, etc.) can we say anything factual about Peter's demise. As there is none....this tale remains nothing but a 'pious legend'.
@JPI280978 Clement of Rome(yr80-98)"Peter,through unrighteous envy,endured not one or two,but numerous labours; and when he had at length suffered martyrdom, departed to the place of glory due to him." If u dont take early church fathers as valid, church history,u interpret bible in wrong context. Hold fast to tradition,either by oral statement or letter.[2 Thess.2:15].Whoever teaches something different..has morbid disposition for arguments & verbal disputes.1 Tim 6
@inlight001 1) The Holy Spirit is the only true guide to comprehending Scripture. Not mere men. 2) Even assuming that your quote is genuine....all it asserts is that he was martryed. Not how he died. Please learn how to read & think.
Your intentional misquote & misuse of Scripture here is beyond shameful.
Inlight, when JPI280978 says "The Holy Spirit is the only true guide to comprehending scripture" he really means "JPI280978 is the only true guide to comprehending scripture." He also likes to cite other anonymous posters from youtube as "spiritually proving" things.
So what's my point --- he's going to play selective games about proof that he would never apply to his own crazy conspiracy theories (like saying Opus Dei was behind 9/11)
@gomerjones Yes, JP128 is uninformed & confused.He said Jesus never mentioned word "church" which clearly shows he's confused.He pays no attention to Matt16:18 You are Peter & upon this rock I will build My church. At times I like telling people about truth so they wont fall to deceptive beliefs.
@inlight001 In the 1st cent.AD there was no such word as 'church' nor any linguistic equivalent in any language. The word 'church' is Germanic, based in tongues which would not even exist in Europe for 1000 years after Christ. There was no equivalent word in the Aramaic which Jesus spoke. The 1st written Gospel accounts, dating from the 40sAD, were written in Syriac & Hebrew. Those in Greek came much later.
@gomerjones Factually, one cannot properly comprehend Scripture without the guidance of the HS, as otherwise you are not intended to. He who is not of the mind of God cannot comprehend them, as they are written intentionally so as to not be understood otherwise. Hence the reason Jesus spoke in Parables:
That those like yourself who neither have Faith nor are sincerely interested in receiving it as a gift from God - will not comprehend the things of God,.
@JPI280978 Factually, one cannot properly comprehend logic, reason, or facts without a sane mind. He who is not of sound mind cannot comprehend them, as they are written intentionally to require them.
What I find amusing is how you'll bend anything for your fantastical claims (like-Opus Dei was responsible for the communist revolution in China and the attacks on 9/11), then claim you and only you have the clairvoyance for this.
People's issues are not with the HS - they are with you.
@JPI280978 ".and all this from a man who not only condones clerical sex abusers & their episcopal protectors, but who is himself a pedo. Your greatest fear is being caught."
And of course, you can't resist. Someone whom you can't pin down as Opus Dei, won't play your silly games, etc. So what to do? Just lay on-blindly-the most awful accusation your twisted mind can conjure.
Here you really show your stripes. Resorting to these kinds of fabrications shows how everything you say is meaningless
Now, he claims that Opus Dei was responsible for the attacks on 9/11, killed John Paul 1, currently have Mother Angelica under house arrest, fomented Mao's revolution in China, are responsible for the worldwide banking crisis, brainwashed John Paul II, on and on and on.
If you ever ask for any proof, he'll say his own interpretation of Revelations PROVES whatever.
@inlight001 Clue: a 'tradition' does not = fact. Not any more then the legend of the 'sword in the stone' of Arthurian legend is fact. Nor that the legendary Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Jesus (it is not).
@JPI280978@inlight001 Inlight001, you might the discrepancy between the proof you offer and the proof JPI280978 offers for his fantastical claims that, for example, Opus Dei was behind 9/11. See, he doesn't like to apply any consistent logic, arguments, or underlying facts. If you pin him on one thing, he'll throw something bombastic in from left field.
Seriously, it's a waste of time reasoning with him because he doesn't use reason.
The Pope is Peter's successor as Bishop of Rome. Therefore the Papacy is often represented by symbols that are also used to represent Peter, such as the Petrine cross (cross of st.peter). Peter requested this form of crucifixion as he felt he was unworthy to be crucified in the same manner that Jesus died. As such, some Catholics use this cross as a symbol of humility and unworthiness in comparison to Jesus.
@xXblackjesusamenXx Inversion is the prime indicator of the demon, occult, & of Inversion & rejection of the Gospel. This is very basic spiritual knowledge, confirmed by Catholic exorcists.
The legend of Peter's alleged manner of death is hagiography, written centuries later with NO contemporary evidence.
@xXblackjesusamenXx JPI280978 is a conspiracy theorist who claims Opus Dei was behind 9/11, killing JP1, kidnapping mother angelica, the list goes on and on. He claims divine inspiration as proof for his many accusations against others. Further, like here, he'll demand from others the kind of proof he could never himself provide. In short, he's a delusional whackjob who you can't reason with.
Just as the Antichrist is approaching there will also be an Anti-Pope(false prophet)who will sit in Popes seat. Satan is going against God and His Church(R.Catholic). Many are decieved. Many judge and condemn, which is not from God but satan.
@CrimeSpreeEnt The Catholic Church IS the One True Church started by Christ Himself. The Catholic Church is the ONLY Church that goes back to the time of Christ. The Catholic Church protected the holy Bible throughout the centuries.
@DickCArbiter Wrong on all counts. 1) Jesus did not found the RCC/Vatican; it was founded in 325AD by bishops who betrayed Jesus & His Gospel. 2) Jesus never gave an exclusive patent on salvation to anyone. 3) The Vatican has both intentionally edited & tampered with Scripture; suppressing many valid texts.
Uploader is seriously a moron. The upside-down cross is NOT a sign of disrespect, it is a sign of the papacy bc St. Peter was crucified upside-down, duh. Your ignorance is something you share in common with the Satanists. Please change your description accordingly.
@mattschol Inversion is the prime indicator of the demonic & higher occult. Thus the Inverted Cross is & always was evil; a sign of rejection & inversion of the Gospel.
However....it is quite fitting for Mr. Ratzinger, whom is identified in Sctiprue, Propecy & the words of Mary as the Antichrist/False Prophet who paves the way for the False Christ.
@mattschol 1) The only 'rock' is Jesus; 2) Peter was selected by Jesus to lead the Apostles & was to have successors. But not to be an absolute monarch; but to teach the Gospel by the personal example of living in literal poverty - relying ONLY upon God for their daily bread.
It is Mr. Ratzinger who serves lucifer, not St. Peter.
And the woman wore scarlet and crimson aka your cardinals gowned in gold, gems, and pearls your pope. St Peter's cross don't be arrogant to invert the cross is to mock it! Mana is man and not higher than what God lifts him to be, our way is through the son! No man be called Father except for God and man can sit on God's throne in his stead, agrogance twist the word to fit your needs, come! Wake up rev 17 read it it's clearly a city not an actual woman and this is rich and with what riches than
upside down cross also is how st peter was crucfied and he was our 1st pope. the pope also sits on the chair of st peter which has the upside down cross
@13gonzalezchuck 1) There is NO historical evidence to support the legend of Peter's alleged manner of death.
2) The Inverted Cross is intrinsically demonic, as it represents rejection of Jesus & His Gospel. But for Ratzinger to use it makes sense....as he is not of God.
@JPI280978 You realize that you're using your own culturally unique ideas about inversion right? Symbolism is fluid, and changes over cultures and time. There's about as much historical evidence of Peter's death as there is about anything else that happened ~2000 years ago.
@JPI280978 The real funny thing is that if Peter had died on a normal cross then you would use that as evidence that the Papacy is the antichrist, because he would have died in the same way as Christ. There's no satisfying you zealots.
@mattschol It is yourself who are the zealot, as you will not listen to reason or theo-logic. It is truly irrelevant how Peter died. Yet you are eager in your fanaticism to defend the use of an obvious & well known demonic symbol as 'good'. Thou fool!
The Antichrist is a single man, foretold in Scripture, Prophecy & the words of Mary to be a single man: occupying the office of pope. He was enthroned in April of 2005.
@JPI280978 Jesus said Peter was the rock upon which he would build his Church, if you won't listen to the words of Jesus I can't help you. Pope's have been using that symbol for centuries. When the Pope dies and a new one is elected I am going to expect a public apology from you. I bet you thought JP 2 was the anti-christ as well right? How many times does it take for you to realize you're wrong?
@mattschol Jesus said no such thing. All throughout the NT is is made VERY clear that only Jesus is the 'rock' or foundation of Faith; that salvation is ONLY through Him; by living the Gospel. The core of which is the Sermon on the Mount. Live it & you enter the Kingdom of Heaven, now in Time. The Vatican is not the Kingdom.
JPII was not the AC. He was a decent by very misled man, who was mind-altered & controlled by Opus Dei. You have no clue what Time it is.
@mattschol Right on schedule - JPI280978 with an Opus Dei conspiracy theory! "JPII... was mind-altered and controlled by Opus Dei."
Now, don't demand any proof from this guy to prove this fantastical claim. He won't have any. He'll make some vague allusion. That's about it.
Also, if you're playing a long at home, you'll notice his warning about "Time" (capital 'T'). He's got special knowledge about the end of the world. So special, he only talks about it on the internet.
@mattschol A single, uncorroborated verse? Sounds like a scam to me. Scripture is only correctly comprehends via Coherence. The teaching of Jesus is Coherent with that of John the Baptist, who is Coherent with Isaiah & all of the Prophets, etc.
And Jesus never uttered the word "church' nor any word with that meaning....as there was none in the 1st cent. AD.
@JPI280978 Just have to educate the public. Someone might make a mistake and take you seriously. Context must be given. The great thing is --- I don't have to lie or embellish anything! All I have to do is recount what you've said.
@gomerjones It is yourself who need 'medication', as you are trolling me all over YT.
All which has been written is from Scripture, Prophecy & the words of Mary. But, as you have only faith in the Inverted agenda of Opus Dei (rather then God), you reject & howl with fury at anything which is of the Truth.
youwysh That upside down cross does NOT mean the Pope worships satan. It is the cross of Saint Peter. Peter died upside down as he wanted to die in that manner. He did not feel worthy to die the way Jesus died. The Pope is the successor of Saint Peter. You are ridiculous.
@DickCArbiter Mr. Ratzinger does worship satan, while pretending false external piety. The Inverted Cross symbolizes the Inversion of Jesus' teaching: the Gospel. Opus Dei, which put Ratz on the throne IS the anti-Gospel.
NO - Ratz is not the successor of Peter. The final in-line successor to Peter was buried in 2005; there shall be no more. You do not know what Time it is.
@DickCArbiter Dick, you have to subscribe to all of JPI280978's fantastical conspiracy theories to be able to follow. I wouldn't waste my time trying to sincerely engage him. If you disagree he'll claim you're an Opus Dei operative. He won't provde the same proof that he demands. He'll make vague allusions to all sorts of apparitions, insisting the church approves them but then claiming the church is wrong on any number of other positions. He's nuts. Truly nuts.
@DickCArbiter Thus you sin against the Holy Spirit - as what has been written is Truth. The HS has spoken these things via Scripture, Prophecy & the words of Mary in several well known & valid locutions over the past 160 years. To call Truth or those who speak it 'nuts' is a direct affront to God.
If you have a problem with this, then take it up with Him.
But as you have NO faith (except in Ratzinger) you scoff whenever Truth is spoken or referred to.
@JPI280978 He's going to die soon and you're going to have to revise your insane ideology. Others may forget but on the day he dies I'll be messaging you and expecting you to eat your words dutifully.
@mattschol LOL. Good point. JPI280978 is a conspiracy theorist who claims Opus Dei was behind 9/11, killing JP1, kidnapping mother angelica, the list goes on and on. He claims divine inspiration as proof for his many accusations against others. Further, like here, he'll demand from others the kind of proof he could never himself provide. In short, he's a delusional whackjob who you can't reason with.
@mattschol Even if Ratz were to be succeeded by another (false) 'pope', what has been stated remains true. That person would also be controlled by lucifer. Ratz is specifically identified in Scripture, many private prophecies & the words of Mary as the Antichrist. His function is that of an Inverted John the Baptist: to pave the way for the False Christ spoken of by Jesus, Revelations, Daniel & Mary.
...'it' is now being prepared by Opus Dei as the penultimate demonic trap...
@JPI280978 You just said that Ratzinger was the Anti-Christ, now you're saying he is just the "Inverted John the Baptist." Which is it? You can't even keep your insane theories consistent.
@mattschol In Revelations - which is explained in the Secret of LaSalette - there are 2 Beasts: the Antichrist/False Prophet & the False Christ. The term 'antichrist' has been misapplied to both; & both have been mistakenly melded into one entity. The function of the AC is to destroy Faith in the earth, paving the way for the manifestation of the False Christ. It will pretend to be Jesus in a fraudulent 2nd Coming.
@mattschol The term 'antichrist' has been mistakenly viewed as 'one person' IN reality there are 2 Beasts in Revelations: the False Prophet/Antichrist, and the False Christ/Antichrist. The former paves the way for the latter. They with lucifer form the 'unholy trinity'. All of the citations in private Catholic prophecy referring to the AC refer to the 'False Prophet', who is a 'pope'....who is Mr. Ratzinger.
@JPI280978@mattschol Hey matt, you shouldn't have tipped him off about how bogus his conspiracy theory would look once the current pope dies and then there is another one.
Now he's shifted his authoritative interpretation of what scripture/visions mean from "explicitly stating" that the pope is the antichrist to that they "explicitly state" that he's the false prophet.
@JPI280978@mattschol "Ratz is specifically identified in Scripture, many private prophecies & the words of Mary as the Antichrist."
Now, Matt, tell me, does "Ratz" appear in the Scripture or in any Mary words? I have a feeling it doesn't. Which means our friend here doesn't know what "specifically identified" really means. What I think he means is, "I project crazy conspiracy theories from my own brain onto Ratzinger." I've no idea if the voices in his head are the "private prophecies"
@DickCArbiter An objective observer would view the papal ceremonies as the adulation of a great wizard, demi-god, or monarch. As the real God is merely a talking point, not the focus of such services. One would also conclude that Catholics worship statues & relics - noting the bowing, kneeling, praying to, kissing of, laying flowers before, touching rubbing.....
This has zero to do with 'prejudice' & everything to do with observable realities.
@JPI280978 An objective observer being a protestant or atheist with bitter hatred to Catholicism and who has no clue what the "papal ceremonies" are about?
@6MemoryOfForever9 The unseen God who is (allegedly....) being worshipped at papal ceremonials, is not obvious. One sees Ratzinger as the treasured icon & focus of worship. Any words referring to God are seeming talking points.
FYI - I am of the Catholic Faith. The core of which is Jesus & His teaching as summarized in the Sermon on the Mount. He & He alone is to be the focus of worship & veneration.
@mattschol .....of course they worship mary...they pray to her to intervene..to speak to jesus on their behalf..as they do with all saints and martyrs...they pray to them all...do not lie....they get on their knees and pray to all these people when they should be praying directly to god themselves..they idolize the pope...i am an ex catholic...i know exactly what you people do...you pray to idols...statues, crosses..to everyone and everything but directly to god only....
@darkstar0000001 Interceding to a Saint is not the same as worship. And Catholics pray directly to God all the time. I've never heard of anyone praying to, idolizing, or worshiping the Pope. In your ignorance you have mistake respect and veneration for worship.
@mattschol i am hardly ignorant...what you do is a sin no matter what you call it..veneration, interceding, you still pray to others....thou shalt have no other gods before me....you should pray to no one but god....no one....and if you need repentance from your sins confess to god not a priest...even though i dont really do the repent thing since all sin was forgiven..i do understand where you come from..i had that religion burrowed into my brain also..since i was a child...
@darkstar0000001 The Bible never says to pray to no one but God. Like i said veneration =/= worship, it just doesn't look up the definitions. If no one tries to physically stop you, can it be called an "escape?"
@mattschol .seriously?? did you just say that with a straight face? what the hell do you think no other gods before me means? you dont pray or worship to anyone or anything but him..and yes, it can be called an escape..i freed my mind of a religion that kept me prisoner..how old are you that you dont know the answers to such simple questions..
This just shows how ignorant you are! The cross is that way because St.Peter who is buried under the altar was crucified upside down because he did not want to be crucified in the same way as our Lord. Get it right!
@Efrasios So how can you call a guy with upside down cross hanged on his neck a "satanist"? This is just a St. Peter believier who don't wanted to wear the same sign as "our lord" and he calling him a "satan" instead of "god" because he isn't worth to even say the name of great lord! :D "This just shows how ignorant you are!"
IF PEOPLE OUT THERE WANT TO KEEP THEIR CATHOLIC DO AS YOU PLEASE BUT THERE IS PROOF HERE THAT SHOWS THE SATANISM BEHIND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND SHAME ON THE POPE AND THE VATICAN FOR COMMITING THIS ABOMINATION AND THIS BLESPHAMY IN THE EYES OF GOD AND MAKING THIS MOCKERY OUT OF HIM ,BETTER REPENT BEFORE THEY FACE ETERNAL FIRE IN HELL , LEAVE HIM IN ROME WE DO NOT NEED OR WANT THIS SATANIC FIGURE HERE AT LEAST I DONT ! THE VATICAN IS RUN BY SATANIST
THIS IS TRUE FOR ALL YOU CATHOLICS OUT THERE THAT THINK CATHOLICISM IS HOLY AS YOU CAN SEE ITS FAR FROM IT , ITS A DEMONIC RELIGION ,YOU HAVE BEEN TRICKED INTO THINKING THE CATHOLIC RELIGION IS GOOD AND ITS NOT A UPSIDE CROSS REPRESENTS EVIL , AND SATAN THE ANTI-CHRIST ! IF YOU SAW MOVIES LIKE THE RITE ,THE EXORCISM AND THE NEW ONE THE DEVIL INSIDE YOU WILL KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THEIR MOVIES THEY HOLD SOME TRUTH TO IT AND ARE BASED ON TRUE STORIES,THERE IS NOTHING GOOD ABOUT A UPSIDE DOWN CROSS!
@LatinaSpicy08 it wasnt always demonic...it was misleaded.. and now the ones in the catholic church wont leave.. the trust the church way to much...its sad...
@LatinaSpicy08 The upside down cross is the cross of Saint Peter. Saint Peter chose to be martyred upside down, as he did not feel worthy to die the same way Jesus did. The Pope is the successor of Saint Peter. You talk about movies like The Exorcist. It is always a CATHOLIC priest who confronts the devil. The Catholic Church is the One True Church founded by Christ. The Vatican is a holy city. You are wrong.
@DickCArbiter None of what you are saying has ANY basis in fact. There is zero historical proof of the manner of Peter's death. The Vatican has repeatedly betrayed Chrsit. The Inverted Cross is a demonic symbol as Inversion is the prime mark of the demonic & of the higher occult.
There is NOTHING 'holy' about the Vatican. If you had a clue you would know that Mary repeatedly condemned the Vatican in her messages over the past 160+ years.
@magnus56j This video is live broadcast feed from EWTN & Vatican tv. In more recent papal events, the cameras have also clearly showed the Inverted Crosses on the reverse of the gates to the Necropolis under the high altar.
You have before you obvious evil symbols - yet all I see here are the 'pious ones' defending an overtly evil symbols as being 'good'.
@JPI280978 Um okay. This is still a silly video, and I have a feeling that this video was made by a Catholic making fun of the people who say the Catholic church is "of the devil." Which is why I thought it was a parody. I'm not a Roman Catholic myself, but I know many Catholics and they would laugh at this video and also probably think it was a joke.
@magnus56j Dude, this guy "JPI280978" is a conspiracy theory whacko. He thinks that Opus Dei is behind the attacks on 9/11, the worldwide banking scandal, etc. He'll demand "proof" while offering only vague sayings in support of his own fantastical claims. He says that priests murdered in the Spanish Civil War, etc., all had it coming to them while the US should spare its own people from death row. He's inconsistent, a hypocrite, hateful, and delusional.
@magnus56j That is because most 'loyal Catholics' have no Faith. The object of their faith & veneration is the Vatican Administration, not God. Faith does not = talking points or empty rhetoric.
There is no sane reason for an Inverted Cross to be used in Xtian art or architecture.
@magnus56j No - I am neither 'traditionalist' nor 'liberal'; & this has nothing to do with sedevacantism itself. The throne is empty due to the fulfillment of prophecy - both in Scripture & the words of Mary.
@JPI280978 Most loyal Catholics have no faith ? And of course u are all knowing,all seeing. NO. The Pope is like embassador of Jesus. If Church was a big ship, the Pope would be visible captain, guided by Holy Spirit.[ having order and structure].If other churches were ship, they would have many different smaller ships guided by many different visible captains going here & there. Even most countries have Presidents, head leaders to maintain structure & order. Pope is bible & history based.
@inlight001 To 'represent Jesus' one must live & do as He did. Mr. Ratzinger does the inverse. Nor is he under the guidance of the HS; neither as a man nor as 'pope' - as the final pope was buried in 2005.
While Peter had successors, there was no such thing as a 'pope' until the 4th century. The Imperial Papacy has no basis in Scripture. Jesus told Peter & the apostles to live in total poverty, relying only on God.
@JPI280978@inlight001 Inlight, just be sure to not ask him for any proof, or at least any proof that he might demand of others. He talks a lot. Says that opus dei was behind 9/11, the worldwide banking crisis, on and on and on. If you ask too many questions he'll call you an Opus Dei operative. There's no reasoning. No logic. Don't waste your time.
@JPI280978 Final Pope was buried 2005 ? thats ur opinion.Pope John Paul II was a good man so is Pope Benedict. Old Testament leaders built a glorious Temple for God. Vatican Church is also grand to glorify God and serve its followers. Where do u want the Pope to live, in a small shack ? Where would he celebrate Mass or perform other services ? hundreds of people go to Mass/other services at Vatican, they wont fit in a shack.
How decieved and hateful people are like this video show. Upside down cross is no more evil than black cat. Apostle Peter was killed in upside down cross, therefor at times Catholic Church uses upside down cross. Pope sits on "seat" of Peter. - Now what would be evil would be upside down crusifix of Jesus. This video like others are bias and hateful propoganda, shame !
@inlight001 YOU ARE SO LOST MISGUIDED AND BRAINWASHED! A UPSIDE CROSS REPRESENTS EVIL ! THE ANTI-CHRIST ! SATAN ! WHY DO YOU THINK IN ALL THOSE MOVIES ABOUT DEMONS AND EXORCISM THEY ALWAYS SHOW UPSIDE DOWN CROSSES ? ITS REAL AND HELLO PETER WAS A TRAITOR READ THE BIBLE DO SOME RESEARCH THIS VIDEO ISNT HATEFUL AT ALL !
@LatinaSpicy08 U do have a point to a short extent.Upside crosses are usually not seen and typically do represent evil.But few times in context used,is not evil.Like stated Peter was crusified upside down and C.Church at times uses as respect for Peter,1st church head leader.Also,u shouldn't get ur facts from movies,as movies are mostly for entertainment.Apostle Peter was human but not traitor.Jesus also gave Peter keys to Kingdom of heaven.U seem aggitated & judge,also seen with all caps.Peace
@inlight001 peter was evil thats why he was crucified on a upside down cross jesus wasnt crucified on a upside cross because he represented good and righteousness even though the scribes ,rabbi's and pharisees didnt accept him as the son of god i think jesus gave peter the keys to heaven because he asked him for forgiveness and the movies i was talking about were actually based on true stories .i dont base my facts on movies either just giving an example and im not aggitated or judging
@LatinaSpicy08 Most christians would disagree with you,saying Peter was evil.As someone else stated Peter out of love for Jesus and feeling not worthy,chose to be martyrd upside down on cross.Jesus gave Peter keys to kingdom of heaven,keys represent authority,authority to bind in heaven/earth & loose in heaven/earth.Jesus established church authority with Peter & Apostles.Jesus told Peter tend my flock,feed my lambs.Popes followed that lead to feed the flock.Popes human not demigod.U do judge
FOR NEARLY 1551 YEARS -THERE WAS ONLY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH-THEN PROTESTORS REVOLTED AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH [PROTESTANTS ] NOW THERE ARE 33000 PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS CLAIMING TO HOLD THE TRUTH & ONE HOLY CATHOLIC APOSTALIC CHURCH.
@winter1936 God has used the seceral Sacks upon Rome, plagues, and the Reformation to get the attention of the Deaf ones of the Vatican. To call them to repentence & reform; but they remain Deaf.
He allowed the Reformation & Enlightenment so as to free men from the yoke of the Vatican, which had kept all of Europe in darkness for almost 1000 years. God wants man to be free to willingly choose to love Him & serve Him....or not.
BY THE WAY-I KNOW A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A CLUE TO THE BIBLE ORIGIN.
FACT: IT WAS INSPIRINGLY COMPILED IN 397AD UNDER POPE DAMASCUS -BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH-FOR THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH-IT IS A EUCHARISTIC BOOK-THE RC CHURCH HAD IT IN HER POSSESSION ALONE FOR NEARLY 1150 YEARS BEFORE MARTIN LUTHER CORRUPTED IT,BY REMOVING OUR 7 CATHOLIC DOCTRINAL BOOKS AND PARTS OF OTHER BOOKS-TO ACHIEVE HIS BELIEFS-THATS HOW LUTHERAN CHURCHES BEGAN.
@winter1936 What we know as the Bible was cobbled together by the Vatican, eliminating & suppressing many previous well known AND valid texts. Anything which conflicted with or criticized the hegemony of the newly formed Vatican was either suppressed or edited to death.
The oldest known written Gospel, by Thomas is one of these. Written in the late 30sAD & brought to Egypt by Mark the Apostle in the early 40sAD.
ALL CHRISTIANITY ARE OFFSHOOTS OF ROMAN CATHOLICISM. TOO BAD THOSE OF YOU WHO SADLY MISUNDERSTAND THE CATHOLIC FAITH DIDN'T LIVE 460 YEARS AGO,WHEN THERE WASN"T ANTI-BIBLICAL NOTION OF SOLA SCRIPTURA AND PROTESTANT CHURCHES-THERE WAS ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 33AD-1551AD.
@winter1936 Now if you are quite through 'screaming'......salvation is NOT only found in the Catholic Church, & never was. To say that it is = limiting God; limiting the power of the Holy Spirit. That is the sin of Denial; the unpardonable sin.
If God Wills that a soul be saved, He shall reach it - no matter what denomination or religion he is, or none at all. Such is the power & love of God.
I guess you never heard of the Prince of the Apostles- Saint Peter-he was crucified upside down-thats why the seat of Peter has an uside down cross-perhaps you should read & seek the truth from reliable sources like your local library..Maybe then you wll stop twisting the truth into lies.
@winter1936 It is you who are twisting the truth. A legend is not a fact. The tale of the alleged manner of death of Peter has absolutely NO historical evidence to back it up. NO contemporary evidence. It was written centuries later.
Perhaps you have never heard of Jesus Christ...you know, the God made Man whose Divinity & teaching, which has its core in the Sermon on the Mount, is the true core of the Catholic Faith?
@JPI280978@winter1936 Hey winter - don't let some mentally disturbed conspiracy theory nutjob, who thinks that Opus dei is behind 9/11, tell you what is truth or twisting of truth, what historical evidence is, what contemporary evidence is, what the core of anything is.
Everyone knows, protestants are not Christian. They started their religion from Martin Luther and Satan and in less you want to go to HELL you will need the catholic church.
@cannon0286 With my own eyes I have seen the great love for Jesus in the eyes of little old Black ladies in Baptist, Anglican & other Protestant churches. Quite often. They know little doctrine; but they know God. Very rarely do I see this in Catholics; still less on YT.
Jesus taught: "He who is not against Me is with Me". And He condemned the apostles when they wanted Him to call down fire upon others who were preaching & healing in His Name......hint, hint....!
@JPI280978 Oh look. It's the old "......" argument technique. Usually reserved for the large, sizable gaps in logic, evidence, and proof for your ridiculous conspiracy theories, such as your claims that Opus Dei was behind 9/11, killing jp1, brainwashing jp2, the worldwide banking crisis, kidnapping mother angelica, etc.
Anyone who has paid any attention to the Church and Her history ought to know that the cross (St. Peter's Cross) is upside down for a reason: because St. Peter (the first Pope, remember?), when he was crucified, asked that he be turned UPSIDE DOWN because he did not want to die the same way that Christ died.
I hereby label you and your video an official YouTube troll. Either that, or the most ignorant person this side of the Interwebs. Have a nice day.
@carnivorousslushee23 You are treating a legend as if it were factual; it is not. It was written centuries post facto, with absolutely NO contemporary proof. Lacking proof, the legend of Peter's manner of death remains...a legend, not a fact.
Inversion is the mark of the demonic & higher occult. It has no place in Christian art or worship. It symbolizes rejection & Inversion of the Gospel - and always has.
@JPI280978 Sorry, but you've failed to provide proof to the contrary. Origen of Alexandria writes that Peter was crucified in this manner, and Tertullian speaks of it as well. Thanks, but I'll take their word for it over your speculation. The fact that something is a tradition (not a legend, friend) does not in any way indicate it is untrue.
However, I induce from your previous posts that you will not listen, so I'm not sure why I even bothered to respond. Keep trolling, sir.
@carnivorousslushee23 In history, prior to the advent of photography (1830s) the ONLY valid contemporary evidence of anything was a written account. Contemporary evidence is that penned by the subject himself, and eyewitness account, or an official govt. record. In the matter of Peter's alleged manner of death there is NO contemporary evidence. Lacking such evidence, this tale remains a mere legend, not a fact.
The sources you cite were written centuries later...
@JPI280978 (cont.) As I was not alive in 1865, I cannot write a contemporary account of the death of Abraham Lincoln. But as there are such accounts extant (newspaper articles, eyewitness accounts) I can write of it, citing those contemporary sources.
As your sources are NOT contemporary accounts, they prove zilch. Thus the legend remains a mere legend; not fact.
@JPI280978 "In the matter of Peter's alleged manner of death there is NO contemporary evidence. Lacking such evidence, this tale remains a mere legend, not a fact."
A lack of evidence? You mean for things like your whackjob conspiracy theories that Opus Dei was responsible for 9/11, killed Jp1, brainwashed Jp2, kidnapped mother angelica, destroyed the banking system?
You are such a pathetic hypocrite. Utterly and truly shameless.
@carnivorousslushee23 Those are not contemporary sources; they wrote centuries later. A contemporary source is one whose lifespan in contemporary with the topic.
Is this so hard to comprehend? This is the logical basis for all historical research.
@JPI280978@carnivorousslushee23 Carnivourousshlushee, I wouldn't accept any of JP1's arguments about evidence, contemporary or otherwise. He argues that Opus Dei was behind 9/11, the current banking crisis, kidnapped Mother Angelica, killed JP1, brainwashed jp2, and a whole bunch of other conspiracy theories.
And he does all this without a shred of any proof that he demands from others.
@carnivorousslushee23 Those writers are NOT contemporary sources, as they lived & wrote centuries later - basing this legend upon zero historical evidence.
hahahaha. Peter was hung upside down. The pope sits in Peter's position. That is why there is an upside down cross. To remember how great a follower of Christ Peter was.
@ELservenguenza I am also of the Catholic Faith. But I am not one who accepts something merely on the word of some wannabe authority figure. Or a mere legend.
There is NO proof of how Peter died, as there is NO contemporary account of it. He was likely martyred. He could have been crucified. But we do not know this as a fact.
Unless you have had some locution from Heaven of how he died....the tale remains a legend.
@JPI280978 " But I am not one who accepts something merely on the word of some wannabe authority figure"
And yet you want us to believe your own claims that Opus Dei was behind 9/11? Or killed Jp1? Or brainwashed Jp2? Or kidnapped Mother Angelica? Or is responsible for the banking crisis? You know, that one of many whackjob conspiracy theories that you push out there but don't want ANY evidence or contemporary account requirement for?
LOL. "Wannabe authority figure" fits you to a *T*
@Blacktemplar1013 Mr. Ratz is in no way the successor to Peter, nor the Vicar of Christ. The final true one was buried in 2005; there shall be no more. This is in Scripture & Prophecy & the words of Mary.
@JPI280978 I'm curious, which prophecy are you reading? Because I've been doing some reading myself and what I've come up with indicates that the current (or I suppose you would say false) Pope is the last one, not the previous Pope. What has Mary said that lends you this impression, and where was it? I know that Malachy's prophecy indicates that this is the last or possibly second to last Pope, which might mean that he is in fact false...Is that what you mean?
@Blacktemplar1013 I will send a more complete response by PM. The Malachy prophecy has a) been tampered with, & b) is not accurate. The current (false) pope is the last to sit on the throne. Yet 'Gloria Olivae' is already past. In a sense this is as JPIIs papacy was subverted; he was a puppet from the early 90s on, controlled by Ratz & the rest of the OD members who surrounded him.
@gomerjones In Revelations, the words of Jesus & the messages of Mary, a nuclear holocaust is clearly foretold. 9/11 is the initial, symbolic manifestation of this. A last chance warning - which man ignored. Now shall shortly come the full manifestation of this prophecy.
Wash yourself and make yourself clean. Else your fate is with the foolish virgins of Matthew 25
@JPI280978 "In Revelations, the words of Jesus & the messages of Mary, a nuclear holocaust is clearly foretold."
That's not at all on point with my question nor any of your claims.
I asked you for PROOF for your ridiculous claims that Opus Dei was behind 9/11. Furthermore, PROOF using the same PROOF that you demand of others about Peter being buried at St. Peter's.
You have not provided the PROOF that you demand from others. Instead you change the subject. It's because you're a hypocrite.
@gomerjones As you are neither capable of correctly processing even mundane information - much less of comprehending spiritual matter - this makes no sense to you.
Opus Dei is of hell itself; it serves & venerates Mammon. It was founded by a man who was possessed, according to those who worked closely with him. Its global scope & power is more then most imagine, as it is of Mammon. As God uses evil men for His Will, so He has allowed OD to be linked to this; even if indirectly.
@JPI280978 :As you are neither capable of correctly processing even mundane information - much less of comprehending spiritual matter - this makes no sense to you... He has allowed OD to be linked to this; even if indirectly."
LOL. *I'm* incapable of processing mundane information? I'm not the one who can't summon the words to offer PROOF (as you've demanded of others) of your claims that Opus Dei was responsible for 9/11.
You calling out anyone else's proof is just plain silly. Hypocrite.
JP- Does it really matter if it happened or not? The upside down cross is based on the legend and not a satanic symbol. CASE REOPENED and CLOSED. Also you baseless comment about vatican wealth and not sharing is just that baseless. ON one sunday the vatican donated 190 million to the poor. (june 26th peters pence sunday) BTW the Catholic Church is FAR bigger than the vatican city state. How many SIsters of Mercy Hospitals is there.
@paednoch No - the Vatican did not 'donate $190 billion to the poor'; and never has. The church does pitifully little for the poor. Just ask the folks in Haiti or any 3rd world nation. In every land, children eat from garbage as bishops dine in splendor.
As Inversion is the prime indicator of the demonic & higher occult, the Inverted Cross is a symbol of lucifer; of rejection & Inversion of the Gospel.
@JPI280978 "No - the Vatican did not 'donate $190 billion to the poor'; and never has. The church does pitifully little for the poor. "
Why would anyone believe your judgment? You can't prove it. You can't produce the proof you demand of others. You claim that Opus Dei was behind 9/11. Proof? Hahaha. So sad.
@JPI280978 The Holy Catholic Church is the LARGEST charitable organization on the planet, giving BILLIONS of dollars to the poor and needy. The upside down cross represents how Saint Peter died. The Pope is the successor of Peter. You are anti-Catholic.
@mystic1ification The Malachi prophecy is fraudulent & has been greatly tampered with. The final pope was buried in 2005; there shall be no more. The Antichrist was enthroned in April 2005. He has publicly rebuked God & denied the Incarnation of Jesus; blaspheming as foretold. His true origin is not what the Opus Dei cover story says. He is satan incarnate, achieved via converse with the devil. He was never baptized.
@mystic1ification No it was not. There are the bones of hundreds of thousands of people buried under the Vatican. Lacking ANY historic proof or DNA evidence, there is NO proof that the bones are of Peter. A pope simply proclaimed them to be so without any evidence.
I will just offer a slight correction to your take on St.Malachy.
In.Malachy's prophecies, the 111th pope - apparently Benedict XVI - is actually called "the Glory of the Olive."
Also, he will not be an "anti-pope" or antichrist but will be a deeply faithful pope who will suffer greatly for the faith in a time of great trouble and terrible martyrdom for the Church.
Finally, he will not be the last pope. There will be more.
the so called pope smiles with a demons face every time
21Bouncer 2 days ago
Upside down crosses represent St. Peter, he was executed on an inverted cross.
WiseInfant 2 weeks ago
@WiseInfant No - Inversion is the prime indicator of the demonic & higher occult. Inverted symbolism has no place in Christian art or worship.
And there is absolutely no proof of the manner of Peter's death. The legend you reference is a mere pious hagiography...at best.
JPI280978 2 weeks ago
@JPI280978 You might want to tell that to the Vatican because upside down crosses are not uncommon.
WiseInfant 2 weeks ago
@WiseInfant I am aware of that; inverted crosses are used elsewhere in the Vatican. That makes a rather interesting metaphysical/spiritual statement....
JPI280978 1 week ago
@WiseInfant You'll have to excuse JPI280978. The only "proof" he consents to is his own interpretations of visions, scriptures, etc., his own fantastical conspiracy theories, and fellow random posters on the internet that he deems "mystics."
Of course, if any of these kinds of "proof" don't serve him right then, he'll discount it. For you, for example, he'd require C-SPAN footage of the burial. For his claims that Opus Dei was behind 9/11 - the rules are a little looser.
gomerjones 2 weeks ago
PROOF: Concerning the manner of Peter's death, we possess a tradition--attested to by Tertullian at the end of the Second Century and by Origen (in Eusebius, "Hist. Eccl.", II, i)--that he suffered crucifixion. Origen says: "Peter was crucified at Rome with his head downwards, as he himself had desired to suffer".
inlight001 3 weeks ago
@inlight001 Something written 1-200 years post facto is NOT contemporary evidence. Only with contemporary evidence (eyewitness account, govt. documents, etc.) can we say anything factual about Peter's demise. As there is none....this tale remains nothing but a 'pious legend'.
Or hagiography....
JPI280978 2 weeks ago
@JPI280978 Clement of Rome(yr80-98)"Peter,through unrighteous envy,endured not one or two,but numerous labours; and when he had at length suffered martyrdom, departed to the place of glory due to him." If u dont take early church fathers as valid, church history,u interpret bible in wrong context. Hold fast to tradition,either by oral statement or letter.[2 Thess.2:15].Whoever teaches something different..has morbid disposition for arguments & verbal disputes.1 Tim 6
inlight001 2 weeks ago
@inlight001 1) The Holy Spirit is the only true guide to comprehending Scripture. Not mere men. 2) Even assuming that your quote is genuine....all it asserts is that he was martryed. Not how he died. Please learn how to read & think.
Your intentional misquote & misuse of Scripture here is beyond shameful.
JPI280978 2 weeks ago
@JPI280978 @inlight001
Inlight, when JPI280978 says "The Holy Spirit is the only true guide to comprehending scripture" he really means "JPI280978 is the only true guide to comprehending scripture." He also likes to cite other anonymous posters from youtube as "spiritually proving" things.
So what's my point --- he's going to play selective games about proof that he would never apply to his own crazy conspiracy theories (like saying Opus Dei was behind 9/11)
He's a waste of time and effort
gomerjones 2 weeks ago
@gomerjones Yes, JP128 is uninformed & confused.He said Jesus never mentioned word "church" which clearly shows he's confused.He pays no attention to Matt16:18 You are Peter & upon this rock I will build My church. At times I like telling people about truth so they wont fall to deceptive beliefs.
inlight001 2 weeks ago
@inlight001 In the 1st cent.AD there was no such word as 'church' nor any linguistic equivalent in any language. The word 'church' is Germanic, based in tongues which would not even exist in Europe for 1000 years after Christ. There was no equivalent word in the Aramaic which Jesus spoke. The 1st written Gospel accounts, dating from the 40sAD, were written in Syriac & Hebrew. Those in Greek came much later.
JPI280978 2 weeks ago
@gomerjones Factually, one cannot properly comprehend Scripture without the guidance of the HS, as otherwise you are not intended to. He who is not of the mind of God cannot comprehend them, as they are written intentionally so as to not be understood otherwise. Hence the reason Jesus spoke in Parables:
That those like yourself who neither have Faith nor are sincerely interested in receiving it as a gift from God - will not comprehend the things of God,.
I pity you.
JPI280978 2 weeks ago
@JPI280978 Factually, one cannot properly comprehend logic, reason, or facts without a sane mind. He who is not of sound mind cannot comprehend them, as they are written intentionally to require them.
What I find amusing is how you'll bend anything for your fantastical claims (like-Opus Dei was responsible for the communist revolution in China and the attacks on 9/11), then claim you and only you have the clairvoyance for this.
People's issues are not with the HS - they are with you.
gomerjones 2 weeks ago
@gomerjones ...and all this from a man who not only condones clerical sex abusers & their episcopal protectors, but who is himself a pedo.
Your greatest fear is being caught. That is why you are defending the Vatican, in addition to being a 'loyal Catholic'.
JPI280978 2 weeks ago
@JPI280978 ".and all this from a man who not only condones clerical sex abusers & their episcopal protectors, but who is himself a pedo. Your greatest fear is being caught."
And of course, you can't resist. Someone whom you can't pin down as Opus Dei, won't play your silly games, etc. So what to do? Just lay on-blindly-the most awful accusation your twisted mind can conjure.
Here you really show your stripes. Resorting to these kinds of fabrications shows how everything you say is meaningless
gomerjones 2 weeks ago
@JPI280978 @inlight001 Did you hear that, inlight001? Not good enough for him.
Now, he claims that Opus Dei was responsible for the attacks on 9/11, killed John Paul 1, currently have Mother Angelica under house arrest, fomented Mao's revolution in China, are responsible for the worldwide banking crisis, brainwashed John Paul II, on and on and on.
If you ever ask for any proof, he'll say his own interpretation of Revelations PROVES whatever.
So don't waste your time with proof for him.
gomerjones 2 weeks ago
@gomerjones Then what, praytell, is your understanding of the Gospel, & of Revelations?
JPI280978 2 weeks ago
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@JPI280978 "Then what, praytell, is your understanding of the Gospel, & of Revelations?"
Wait, you just blindly accuse me of being an abuser and now you actually care about my understanding of these things?
Here is what I understand these things to NOT say:
That Opus Dei was beind 9/11, the Mao revolution, killing JP1, brainwashing JP2, the worldwide banking crisis, kidnapping Mother angelica, etc.
I also don't think that priests murdered by the Spanish gov't "had it coming."
gomerjones 2 weeks ago
@inlight001 Clue: a 'tradition' does not = fact. Not any more then the legend of the 'sword in the stone' of Arthurian legend is fact. Nor that the legendary Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Jesus (it is not).
JPI280978 1 week ago
@JPI280978 @inlight001 Inlight001, you might the discrepancy between the proof you offer and the proof JPI280978 offers for his fantastical claims that, for example, Opus Dei was behind 9/11. See, he doesn't like to apply any consistent logic, arguments, or underlying facts. If you pin him on one thing, he'll throw something bombastic in from left field.
Seriously, it's a waste of time reasoning with him because he doesn't use reason.
gomerjones 1 week ago
The Pope is Peter's successor as Bishop of Rome. Therefore the Papacy is often represented by symbols that are also used to represent Peter, such as the Petrine cross (cross of st.peter). Peter requested this form of crucifixion as he felt he was unworthy to be crucified in the same manner that Jesus died. As such, some Catholics use this cross as a symbol of humility and unworthiness in comparison to Jesus.
xXblackjesusamenXx 3 weeks ago
@xXblackjesusamenXx Inversion is the prime indicator of the demon, occult, & of Inversion & rejection of the Gospel. This is very basic spiritual knowledge, confirmed by Catholic exorcists.
The legend of Peter's alleged manner of death is hagiography, written centuries later with NO contemporary evidence.
JPI280978 3 weeks ago
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@xXblackjesusamenXx JPI280978 is a conspiracy theorist who claims Opus Dei was behind 9/11, killing JP1, kidnapping mother angelica, the list goes on and on. He claims divine inspiration as proof for his many accusations against others. Further, like here, he'll demand from others the kind of proof he could never himself provide. In short, he's a delusional whackjob who you can't reason with.
gomerjones 3 weeks ago
Just as the Antichrist is approaching there will also be an Anti-Pope(false prophet)who will sit in Popes seat. Satan is going against God and His Church(R.Catholic). Many are decieved. Many judge and condemn, which is not from God but satan.
inlight001 4 weeks ago
@inlight001 The Antichrist was enthroned in Rome in April of 2005.....
JPI280978 3 weeks ago
no shit theyre not Christian... theyre Catholic.....
CrimeSpreeEnt 4 weeks ago
@CrimeSpreeEnt The Catholic Church IS the One True Church started by Christ Himself. The Catholic Church is the ONLY Church that goes back to the time of Christ. The Catholic Church protected the holy Bible throughout the centuries.
DickCArbiter 3 weeks ago
@DickCArbiter Wrong on all counts. 1) Jesus did not found the RCC/Vatican; it was founded in 325AD by bishops who betrayed Jesus & His Gospel. 2) Jesus never gave an exclusive patent on salvation to anyone. 3) The Vatican has both intentionally edited & tampered with Scripture; suppressing many valid texts.
JPI280978 3 weeks ago
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so,this is your solidproof?nice try :'P
VIVA SANTO PAPA!
VIVA KATOLISISMO!
timawaism 4 weeks ago
so,this is your solidproof?nice try :'P
VIVA SANTO PAPA!
VIVA KATOLISISMO!
timawaism 4 weeks ago
Uploader is seriously a moron. The upside-down cross is NOT a sign of disrespect, it is a sign of the papacy bc St. Peter was crucified upside-down, duh. Your ignorance is something you share in common with the Satanists. Please change your description accordingly.
mattschol 1 month ago
@mattschol Inversion is the prime indicator of the demonic & higher occult. Thus the Inverted Cross is & always was evil; a sign of rejection & inversion of the Gospel.
However....it is quite fitting for Mr. Ratzinger, whom is identified in Sctiprue, Propecy & the words of Mary as the Antichrist/False Prophet who paves the way for the False Christ.
JPI280978 4 weeks ago
@JPI280978 So you're saying that St. Peter, the rock Jesus promised to build his Church upon, was actually a Satanist?
mattschol 4 weeks ago
@mattschol 1) The only 'rock' is Jesus; 2) Peter was selected by Jesus to lead the Apostles & was to have successors. But not to be an absolute monarch; but to teach the Gospel by the personal example of living in literal poverty - relying ONLY upon God for their daily bread.
It is Mr. Ratzinger who serves lucifer, not St. Peter.
JPI280978 3 weeks ago
And the woman wore scarlet and crimson aka your cardinals gowned in gold, gems, and pearls your pope. St Peter's cross don't be arrogant to invert the cross is to mock it! Mana is man and not higher than what God lifts him to be, our way is through the son! No man be called Father except for God and man can sit on God's throne in his stead, agrogance twist the word to fit your needs, come! Wake up rev 17 read it it's clearly a city not an actual woman and this is rich and with what riches than
S3RV37 1 month ago
@S3RV37 Correct! Thank you for testifying to the Truth.
JPI280978 1 month ago
upside down cross also is how st peter was crucfied and he was our 1st pope. the pope also sits on the chair of st peter which has the upside down cross
13gonzalezchuck 1 month ago
@13gonzalezchuck 1) There is NO historical evidence to support the legend of Peter's alleged manner of death.
2) The Inverted Cross is intrinsically demonic, as it represents rejection of Jesus & His Gospel. But for Ratzinger to use it makes sense....as he is not of God.
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 You realize that you're using your own culturally unique ideas about inversion right? Symbolism is fluid, and changes over cultures and time. There's about as much historical evidence of Peter's death as there is about anything else that happened ~2000 years ago.
mattschol 4 weeks ago
@mattschol The correct spiritual understand of Inversion noted above is that of Catholic exorcists & demonologists.
There is zero contemporary evidence of the manner of Peter's death. The legend is hagiography written centuries later....
JPI280978 3 weeks ago
@JPI280978 The real funny thing is that if Peter had died on a normal cross then you would use that as evidence that the Papacy is the antichrist, because he would have died in the same way as Christ. There's no satisfying you zealots.
mattschol 4 weeks ago
@mattschol It is yourself who are the zealot, as you will not listen to reason or theo-logic. It is truly irrelevant how Peter died. Yet you are eager in your fanaticism to defend the use of an obvious & well known demonic symbol as 'good'. Thou fool!
The Antichrist is a single man, foretold in Scripture, Prophecy & the words of Mary to be a single man: occupying the office of pope. He was enthroned in April of 2005.
JPI280978 3 weeks ago
@JPI280978 Jesus said Peter was the rock upon which he would build his Church, if you won't listen to the words of Jesus I can't help you. Pope's have been using that symbol for centuries. When the Pope dies and a new one is elected I am going to expect a public apology from you. I bet you thought JP 2 was the anti-christ as well right? How many times does it take for you to realize you're wrong?
mattschol 3 weeks ago
@mattschol Pretty soon, he's going to accuse you of being an Opus Dei operative.
gomerjones 3 weeks ago
@mattschol Jesus said no such thing. All throughout the NT is is made VERY clear that only Jesus is the 'rock' or foundation of Faith; that salvation is ONLY through Him; by living the Gospel. The core of which is the Sermon on the Mount. Live it & you enter the Kingdom of Heaven, now in Time. The Vatican is not the Kingdom.
JPII was not the AC. He was a decent by very misled man, who was mind-altered & controlled by Opus Dei. You have no clue what Time it is.
JPI280978 3 weeks ago
@mattschol Right on schedule - JPI280978 with an Opus Dei conspiracy theory! "JPII... was mind-altered and controlled by Opus Dei."
Now, don't demand any proof from this guy to prove this fantastical claim. He won't have any. He'll make some vague allusion. That's about it.
Also, if you're playing a long at home, you'll notice his warning about "Time" (capital 'T'). He's got special knowledge about the end of the world. So special, he only talks about it on the internet.
gomerjones 3 weeks ago
@JPI280978 Jesus said no such thing? Matthew 16:18. Concede defeat sir.
mattschol 2 weeks ago
@mattschol A single, uncorroborated verse? Sounds like a scam to me. Scripture is only correctly comprehends via Coherence. The teaching of Jesus is Coherent with that of John the Baptist, who is Coherent with Isaiah & all of the Prophets, etc.
And Jesus never uttered the word "church' nor any word with that meaning....as there was none in the 1st cent. AD.
JPI280978 2 weeks ago
@mattschol zealot is the wrong word. whackjob is more appropriate.
gomerjones 3 weeks ago
@gomerjones The term 'whackjob' applies to yourself, as you are following & spamming me on every comment I post.
JPI280978 3 weeks ago
@JPI280978 Just have to educate the public. Someone might make a mistake and take you seriously. Context must be given. The great thing is --- I don't have to lie or embellish anything! All I have to do is recount what you've said.
Medication must have run out, huh?
gomerjones 3 weeks ago
@gomerjones It is yourself who need 'medication', as you are trolling me all over YT.
All which has been written is from Scripture, Prophecy & the words of Mary. But, as you have only faith in the Inverted agenda of Opus Dei (rather then God), you reject & howl with fury at anything which is of the Truth.
JPI280978 3 weeks ago
youwysh That upside down cross does NOT mean the Pope worships satan. It is the cross of Saint Peter. Peter died upside down as he wanted to die in that manner. He did not feel worthy to die the way Jesus died. The Pope is the successor of Saint Peter. You are ridiculous.
DickCArbiter 1 month ago
@DickCArbiter Mr. Ratzinger does worship satan, while pretending false external piety. The Inverted Cross symbolizes the Inversion of Jesus' teaching: the Gospel. Opus Dei, which put Ratz on the throne IS the anti-Gospel.
NO - Ratz is not the successor of Peter. The final in-line successor to Peter was buried in 2005; there shall be no more. You do not know what Time it is.
JPI280978 1 month ago
@DickCArbiter Dick, you have to subscribe to all of JPI280978's fantastical conspiracy theories to be able to follow. I wouldn't waste my time trying to sincerely engage him. If you disagree he'll claim you're an Opus Dei operative. He won't provde the same proof that he demands. He'll make vague allusions to all sorts of apparitions, insisting the church approves them but then claiming the church is wrong on any number of other positions. He's nuts. Truly nuts.
gomerjones 1 month ago
@gomerjones Thanks, friend. I agree with you 100%...he is nuts.
DickCArbiter 3 weeks ago
@DickCArbiter Thus you sin against the Holy Spirit - as what has been written is Truth. The HS has spoken these things via Scripture, Prophecy & the words of Mary in several well known & valid locutions over the past 160 years. To call Truth or those who speak it 'nuts' is a direct affront to God.
If you have a problem with this, then take it up with Him.
But as you have NO faith (except in Ratzinger) you scoff whenever Truth is spoken or referred to.
JPI280978 3 weeks ago
@JPI280978 He's going to die soon and you're going to have to revise your insane ideology. Others may forget but on the day he dies I'll be messaging you and expecting you to eat your words dutifully.
mattschol 3 weeks ago
@mattschol LOL. Good point. JPI280978 is a conspiracy theorist who claims Opus Dei was behind 9/11, killing JP1, kidnapping mother angelica, the list goes on and on. He claims divine inspiration as proof for his many accusations against others. Further, like here, he'll demand from others the kind of proof he could never himself provide. In short, he's a delusional whackjob who you can't reason with.
gomerjones 3 weeks ago
@mattschol Even if Ratz were to be succeeded by another (false) 'pope', what has been stated remains true. That person would also be controlled by lucifer. Ratz is specifically identified in Scripture, many private prophecies & the words of Mary as the Antichrist. His function is that of an Inverted John the Baptist: to pave the way for the False Christ spoken of by Jesus, Revelations, Daniel & Mary.
...'it' is now being prepared by Opus Dei as the penultimate demonic trap...
JPI280978 3 weeks ago
@JPI280978 You just said that Ratzinger was the Anti-Christ, now you're saying he is just the "Inverted John the Baptist." Which is it? You can't even keep your insane theories consistent.
mattschol 3 weeks ago
@mattschol Great point. Like any good conspiracy theorist, he's gotta mold and hedge his bets to continually evolve to meet inconvenient facts.
gomerjones 3 weeks ago
@mattschol In Revelations - which is explained in the Secret of LaSalette - there are 2 Beasts: the Antichrist/False Prophet & the False Christ. The term 'antichrist' has been misapplied to both; & both have been mistakenly melded into one entity. The function of the AC is to destroy Faith in the earth, paving the way for the manifestation of the False Christ. It will pretend to be Jesus in a fraudulent 2nd Coming.
very soon.
JPI280978 3 weeks ago
@mattschol The term 'antichrist' has been mistakenly viewed as 'one person' IN reality there are 2 Beasts in Revelations: the False Prophet/Antichrist, and the False Christ/Antichrist. The former paves the way for the latter. They with lucifer form the 'unholy trinity'. All of the citations in private Catholic prophecy referring to the AC refer to the 'False Prophet', who is a 'pope'....who is Mr. Ratzinger.
JPI280978 2 weeks ago
@JPI280978 @mattschol Hey matt, you shouldn't have tipped him off about how bogus his conspiracy theory would look once the current pope dies and then there is another one.
Now he's shifted his authoritative interpretation of what scripture/visions mean from "explicitly stating" that the pope is the antichrist to that they "explicitly state" that he's the false prophet.
gomerjones 2 weeks ago
@JPI280978 @mattschol "Ratz is specifically identified in Scripture, many private prophecies & the words of Mary as the Antichrist."
Now, Matt, tell me, does "Ratz" appear in the Scripture or in any Mary words? I have a feeling it doesn't. Which means our friend here doesn't know what "specifically identified" really means. What I think he means is, "I project crazy conspiracy theories from my own brain onto Ratzinger." I've no idea if the voices in his head are the "private prophecies"
gomerjones 3 weeks ago
@JPI280978 Your anti-Catholic comments do not faze me in the least.
DickCArbiter 3 weeks ago
Guys give it a rest, it's not like any of this shit actually exists :p
GenuineGraeme 1 month ago
The BIBLE says not to worship anyone but God. This includes Mary, nor a pope.
Soukyfi 1 month ago in playlist Catholic Antichrist
@Soukyfi We Catholics do not worship Mary, nor the Pope. Do you Protestants STILL believe that? wow
DickCArbiter 1 month ago
@DickCArbiter An objective observer would view the papal ceremonies as the adulation of a great wizard, demi-god, or monarch. As the real God is merely a talking point, not the focus of such services. One would also conclude that Catholics worship statues & relics - noting the bowing, kneeling, praying to, kissing of, laying flowers before, touching rubbing.....
This has zero to do with 'prejudice' & everything to do with observable realities.
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 An objective observer being a protestant or atheist with bitter hatred to Catholicism and who has no clue what the "papal ceremonies" are about?
6MemoryOfForever9 1 month ago
@6MemoryOfForever9 The unseen God who is (allegedly....) being worshipped at papal ceremonials, is not obvious. One sees Ratzinger as the treasured icon & focus of worship. Any words referring to God are seeming talking points.
FYI - I am of the Catholic Faith. The core of which is Jesus & His teaching as summarized in the Sermon on the Mount. He & He alone is to be the focus of worship & veneration.
Not the Vatican Administration.
JPI280978 1 month ago
@Soukyfi Catholics don't worship Mary or the Pope. If you don't know what you're talking about, why are you talking?
mattschol 3 weeks ago
@mattschol .....of course they worship mary...they pray to her to intervene..to speak to jesus on their behalf..as they do with all saints and martyrs...they pray to them all...do not lie....they get on their knees and pray to all these people when they should be praying directly to god themselves..they idolize the pope...i am an ex catholic...i know exactly what you people do...you pray to idols...statues, crosses..to everyone and everything but directly to god only....
darkstar0000001 2 weeks ago
@darkstar0000001 Interceding to a Saint is not the same as worship. And Catholics pray directly to God all the time. I've never heard of anyone praying to, idolizing, or worshiping the Pope. In your ignorance you have mistake respect and veneration for worship.
mattschol 2 weeks ago
@mattschol i am hardly ignorant...what you do is a sin no matter what you call it..veneration, interceding, you still pray to others....thou shalt have no other gods before me....you should pray to no one but god....no one....and if you need repentance from your sins confess to god not a priest...even though i dont really do the repent thing since all sin was forgiven..i do understand where you come from..i had that religion burrowed into my brain also..since i was a child...
darkstar0000001 2 weeks ago
@mattschol ...i escaped....now i follow no religion...i am a much better person for it...
darkstar0000001 2 weeks ago
@darkstar0000001 The Bible never says to pray to no one but God. Like i said veneration =/= worship, it just doesn't look up the definitions. If no one tries to physically stop you, can it be called an "escape?"
mattschol 2 weeks ago
@mattschol .seriously?? did you just say that with a straight face? what the hell do you think no other gods before me means? you dont pray or worship to anyone or anything but him..and yes, it can be called an escape..i freed my mind of a religion that kept me prisoner..how old are you that you dont know the answers to such simple questions..
darkstar0000001 2 weeks ago
This just shows how ignorant you are! The cross is that way because St.Peter who is buried under the altar was crucified upside down because he did not want to be crucified in the same way as our Lord. Get it right!
Efrasios 1 month ago
@Efrasios So how can you call a guy with upside down cross hanged on his neck a "satanist"? This is just a St. Peter believier who don't wanted to wear the same sign as "our lord" and he calling him a "satan" instead of "god" because he isn't worth to even say the name of great lord! :D "This just shows how ignorant you are!"
TheBoyka 1 month ago
@TheBoyka no my friend it shows your ignorance not mine, and learn how to write in English if you are going to try and make argument.
Efrasios 1 month ago
Hey, youwysh... are you retarded?
ChrisDaron 1 month ago
IF PEOPLE OUT THERE WANT TO KEEP THEIR CATHOLIC DO AS YOU PLEASE BUT THERE IS PROOF HERE THAT SHOWS THE SATANISM BEHIND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND SHAME ON THE POPE AND THE VATICAN FOR COMMITING THIS ABOMINATION AND THIS BLESPHAMY IN THE EYES OF GOD AND MAKING THIS MOCKERY OUT OF HIM ,BETTER REPENT BEFORE THEY FACE ETERNAL FIRE IN HELL , LEAVE HIM IN ROME WE DO NOT NEED OR WANT THIS SATANIC FIGURE HERE AT LEAST I DONT ! THE VATICAN IS RUN BY SATANIST
LatinaSpicy08 1 month ago
THIS IS TRUE FOR ALL YOU CATHOLICS OUT THERE THAT THINK CATHOLICISM IS HOLY AS YOU CAN SEE ITS FAR FROM IT , ITS A DEMONIC RELIGION ,YOU HAVE BEEN TRICKED INTO THINKING THE CATHOLIC RELIGION IS GOOD AND ITS NOT A UPSIDE CROSS REPRESENTS EVIL , AND SATAN THE ANTI-CHRIST ! IF YOU SAW MOVIES LIKE THE RITE ,THE EXORCISM AND THE NEW ONE THE DEVIL INSIDE YOU WILL KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THEIR MOVIES THEY HOLD SOME TRUTH TO IT AND ARE BASED ON TRUE STORIES,THERE IS NOTHING GOOD ABOUT A UPSIDE DOWN CROSS!
LatinaSpicy08 1 month ago
@LatinaSpicy08 it wasnt always demonic...it was misleaded.. and now the ones in the catholic church wont leave.. the trust the church way to much...its sad...
123flakka 1 month ago
@LatinaSpicy08 The upside down cross is the cross of Saint Peter. Saint Peter chose to be martyred upside down, as he did not feel worthy to die the same way Jesus did. The Pope is the successor of Saint Peter. You talk about movies like The Exorcist. It is always a CATHOLIC priest who confronts the devil. The Catholic Church is the One True Church founded by Christ. The Vatican is a holy city. You are wrong.
DickCArbiter 1 month ago
@DickCArbiter None of what you are saying has ANY basis in fact. There is zero historical proof of the manner of Peter's death. The Vatican has repeatedly betrayed Chrsit. The Inverted Cross is a demonic symbol as Inversion is the prime mark of the demonic & of the higher occult.
There is NOTHING 'holy' about the Vatican. If you had a clue you would know that Mary repeatedly condemned the Vatican in her messages over the past 160+ years.
JPI280978 1 month ago
This video is almost certainly a parody.
magnus56j 1 month ago
@magnus56j This video is live broadcast feed from EWTN & Vatican tv. In more recent papal events, the cameras have also clearly showed the Inverted Crosses on the reverse of the gates to the Necropolis under the high altar.
You have before you obvious evil symbols - yet all I see here are the 'pious ones' defending an overtly evil symbols as being 'good'.
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 Um okay. This is still a silly video, and I have a feeling that this video was made by a Catholic making fun of the people who say the Catholic church is "of the devil." Which is why I thought it was a parody. I'm not a Roman Catholic myself, but I know many Catholics and they would laugh at this video and also probably think it was a joke.
magnus56j 1 month ago
@magnus56j Dude, this guy "JPI280978" is a conspiracy theory whacko. He thinks that Opus Dei is behind the attacks on 9/11, the worldwide banking scandal, etc. He'll demand "proof" while offering only vague sayings in support of his own fantastical claims. He says that priests murdered in the Spanish Civil War, etc., all had it coming to them while the US should spare its own people from death row. He's inconsistent, a hypocrite, hateful, and delusional.
Don't engage him. Waste of time.
gomerjones 1 month ago
@magnus56j That is because most 'loyal Catholics' have no Faith. The object of their faith & veneration is the Vatican Administration, not God. Faith does not = talking points or empty rhetoric.
There is no sane reason for an Inverted Cross to be used in Xtian art or architecture.
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 Are you a sedevacantist?
magnus56j 1 month ago
@magnus56j No - I am neither 'traditionalist' nor 'liberal'; & this has nothing to do with sedevacantism itself. The throne is empty due to the fulfillment of prophecy - both in Scripture & the words of Mary.
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 Most loyal Catholics have no faith ? And of course u are all knowing,all seeing. NO. The Pope is like embassador of Jesus. If Church was a big ship, the Pope would be visible captain, guided by Holy Spirit.[ having order and structure].If other churches were ship, they would have many different smaller ships guided by many different visible captains going here & there. Even most countries have Presidents, head leaders to maintain structure & order. Pope is bible & history based.
inlight001 1 month ago
@inlight001 To 'represent Jesus' one must live & do as He did. Mr. Ratzinger does the inverse. Nor is he under the guidance of the HS; neither as a man nor as 'pope' - as the final pope was buried in 2005.
While Peter had successors, there was no such thing as a 'pope' until the 4th century. The Imperial Papacy has no basis in Scripture. Jesus told Peter & the apostles to live in total poverty, relying only on God.
The Vatican relies on Mammon.
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 @inlight001 Inlight, just be sure to not ask him for any proof, or at least any proof that he might demand of others. He talks a lot. Says that opus dei was behind 9/11, the worldwide banking crisis, on and on and on. If you ask too many questions he'll call you an Opus Dei operative. There's no reasoning. No logic. Don't waste your time.
gomerjones 1 month ago
@JPI280978 Final Pope was buried 2005 ? thats ur opinion.Pope John Paul II was a good man so is Pope Benedict. Old Testament leaders built a glorious Temple for God. Vatican Church is also grand to glorify God and serve its followers. Where do u want the Pope to live, in a small shack ? Where would he celebrate Mass or perform other services ? hundreds of people go to Mass/other services at Vatican, they wont fit in a shack.
inlight001 4 weeks ago
How decieved and hateful people are like this video show. Upside down cross is no more evil than black cat. Apostle Peter was killed in upside down cross, therefor at times Catholic Church uses upside down cross. Pope sits on "seat" of Peter. - Now what would be evil would be upside down crusifix of Jesus. This video like others are bias and hateful propoganda, shame !
inlight001 1 month ago
@inlight001 YOU ARE SO LOST MISGUIDED AND BRAINWASHED! A UPSIDE CROSS REPRESENTS EVIL ! THE ANTI-CHRIST ! SATAN ! WHY DO YOU THINK IN ALL THOSE MOVIES ABOUT DEMONS AND EXORCISM THEY ALWAYS SHOW UPSIDE DOWN CROSSES ? ITS REAL AND HELLO PETER WAS A TRAITOR READ THE BIBLE DO SOME RESEARCH THIS VIDEO ISNT HATEFUL AT ALL !
LatinaSpicy08 1 month ago
@LatinaSpicy08 U do have a point to a short extent.Upside crosses are usually not seen and typically do represent evil.But few times in context used,is not evil.Like stated Peter was crusified upside down and C.Church at times uses as respect for Peter,1st church head leader.Also,u shouldn't get ur facts from movies,as movies are mostly for entertainment.Apostle Peter was human but not traitor.Jesus also gave Peter keys to Kingdom of heaven.U seem aggitated & judge,also seen with all caps.Peace
inlight001 1 month ago
@inlight001 peter was evil thats why he was crucified on a upside down cross jesus wasnt crucified on a upside cross because he represented good and righteousness even though the scribes ,rabbi's and pharisees didnt accept him as the son of god i think jesus gave peter the keys to heaven because he asked him for forgiveness and the movies i was talking about were actually based on true stories .i dont base my facts on movies either just giving an example and im not aggitated or judging
LatinaSpicy08 1 month ago
@LatinaSpicy08 Most christians would disagree with you,saying Peter was evil.As someone else stated Peter out of love for Jesus and feeling not worthy,chose to be martyrd upside down on cross.Jesus gave Peter keys to kingdom of heaven,keys represent authority,authority to bind in heaven/earth & loose in heaven/earth.Jesus established church authority with Peter & Apostles.Jesus told Peter tend my flock,feed my lambs.Popes followed that lead to feed the flock.Popes human not demigod.U do judge
inlight001 1 month ago
@inlight001 This video is live feed from EWTN. The Inverted Crosses in the Basilica are very real. And literal symbols of the most profound evil.
Only those who are brainwashed would think these crosses are "good".
JPI280978 1 month ago
ah ah ah ....truly, the mother of stupids is knocked up always…
IOVANNIG 1 month ago
The upside down cross is actually Saint Peters cross when the Apostle was martyred he chose to have the cross inverted out of love for Christ.
44ky1 1 month ago 10
FOR NEARLY 1551 YEARS -THERE WAS ONLY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH-THEN PROTESTORS REVOLTED AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH [PROTESTANTS ] NOW THERE ARE 33000 PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS CLAIMING TO HOLD THE TRUTH & ONE HOLY CATHOLIC APOSTALIC CHURCH.
winter1936 1 month ago
@winter1936 God has used the seceral Sacks upon Rome, plagues, and the Reformation to get the attention of the Deaf ones of the Vatican. To call them to repentence & reform; but they remain Deaf.
He allowed the Reformation & Enlightenment so as to free men from the yoke of the Vatican, which had kept all of Europe in darkness for almost 1000 years. God wants man to be free to willingly choose to love Him & serve Him....or not.
JPI280978 1 month ago
BY THE WAY-I KNOW A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A CLUE TO THE BIBLE ORIGIN.
FACT: IT WAS INSPIRINGLY COMPILED IN 397AD UNDER POPE DAMASCUS -BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH-FOR THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH-IT IS A EUCHARISTIC BOOK-THE RC CHURCH HAD IT IN HER POSSESSION ALONE FOR NEARLY 1150 YEARS BEFORE MARTIN LUTHER CORRUPTED IT,BY REMOVING OUR 7 CATHOLIC DOCTRINAL BOOKS AND PARTS OF OTHER BOOKS-TO ACHIEVE HIS BELIEFS-THATS HOW LUTHERAN CHURCHES BEGAN.
winter1936 1 month ago
@winter1936 What we know as the Bible was cobbled together by the Vatican, eliminating & suppressing many previous well known AND valid texts. Anything which conflicted with or criticized the hegemony of the newly formed Vatican was either suppressed or edited to death.
The oldest known written Gospel, by Thomas is one of these. Written in the late 30sAD & brought to Egypt by Mark the Apostle in the early 40sAD.
JPI280978 1 month ago
ALL CHRISTIANITY ARE OFFSHOOTS OF ROMAN CATHOLICISM. TOO BAD THOSE OF YOU WHO SADLY MISUNDERSTAND THE CATHOLIC FAITH DIDN'T LIVE 460 YEARS AGO,WHEN THERE WASN"T ANTI-BIBLICAL NOTION OF SOLA SCRIPTURA AND PROTESTANT CHURCHES-THERE WAS ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 33AD-1551AD.
winter1936 1 month ago
@winter1936 Now if you are quite through 'screaming'......salvation is NOT only found in the Catholic Church, & never was. To say that it is = limiting God; limiting the power of the Holy Spirit. That is the sin of Denial; the unpardonable sin.
If God Wills that a soul be saved, He shall reach it - no matter what denomination or religion he is, or none at all. Such is the power & love of God.
JPI280978 1 month ago
I guess you never heard of the Prince of the Apostles- Saint Peter-he was crucified upside down-thats why the seat of Peter has an uside down cross-perhaps you should read & seek the truth from reliable sources like your local library..Maybe then you wll stop twisting the truth into lies.
winter1936 1 month ago
@winter1936 It is you who are twisting the truth. A legend is not a fact. The tale of the alleged manner of death of Peter has absolutely NO historical evidence to back it up. NO contemporary evidence. It was written centuries later.
Perhaps you have never heard of Jesus Christ...you know, the God made Man whose Divinity & teaching, which has its core in the Sermon on the Mount, is the true core of the Catholic Faith?
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 @winter1936 Hey winter - don't let some mentally disturbed conspiracy theory nutjob, who thinks that Opus dei is behind 9/11, tell you what is truth or twisting of truth, what historical evidence is, what contemporary evidence is, what the core of anything is.
gomerjones 1 month ago
Everyone knows, protestants are not Christian. They started their religion from Martin Luther and Satan and in less you want to go to HELL you will need the catholic church.
cannon0286 1 month ago
@cannon0286 With my own eyes I have seen the great love for Jesus in the eyes of little old Black ladies in Baptist, Anglican & other Protestant churches. Quite often. They know little doctrine; but they know God. Very rarely do I see this in Catholics; still less on YT.
Jesus taught: "He who is not against Me is with Me". And He condemned the apostles when they wanted Him to call down fire upon others who were preaching & healing in His Name......hint, hint....!
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 Oh look. It's the old "......" argument technique. Usually reserved for the large, sizable gaps in logic, evidence, and proof for your ridiculous conspiracy theories, such as your claims that Opus Dei was behind 9/11, killing jp1, brainwashing jp2, the worldwide banking crisis, kidnapping mother angelica, etc.
gomerjones 1 month ago
Well this is just...wow. Hahahahahaha!
Anyone who has paid any attention to the Church and Her history ought to know that the cross (St. Peter's Cross) is upside down for a reason: because St. Peter (the first Pope, remember?), when he was crucified, asked that he be turned UPSIDE DOWN because he did not want to die the same way that Christ died.
I hereby label you and your video an official YouTube troll. Either that, or the most ignorant person this side of the Interwebs. Have a nice day.
carnivorousslushee23 1 month ago
@carnivorousslushee23 You are treating a legend as if it were factual; it is not. It was written centuries post facto, with absolutely NO contemporary proof. Lacking proof, the legend of Peter's manner of death remains...a legend, not a fact.
Inversion is the mark of the demonic & higher occult. It has no place in Christian art or worship. It symbolizes rejection & Inversion of the Gospel - and always has.
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 Sorry, but you've failed to provide proof to the contrary. Origen of Alexandria writes that Peter was crucified in this manner, and Tertullian speaks of it as well. Thanks, but I'll take their word for it over your speculation. The fact that something is a tradition (not a legend, friend) does not in any way indicate it is untrue.
However, I induce from your previous posts that you will not listen, so I'm not sure why I even bothered to respond. Keep trolling, sir.
carnivorousslushee23 1 month ago
@carnivorousslushee23 Ask him for corresponding proof of his conspiracy theories that Opus Dei was responsible for 9/11.
And when he changes the subject, ask him again.
gomerjones 1 month ago
@carnivorousslushee23 In history, prior to the advent of photography (1830s) the ONLY valid contemporary evidence of anything was a written account. Contemporary evidence is that penned by the subject himself, and eyewitness account, or an official govt. record. In the matter of Peter's alleged manner of death there is NO contemporary evidence. Lacking such evidence, this tale remains a mere legend, not a fact.
The sources you cite were written centuries later...
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 (cont.) As I was not alive in 1865, I cannot write a contemporary account of the death of Abraham Lincoln. But as there are such accounts extant (newspaper articles, eyewitness accounts) I can write of it, citing those contemporary sources.
As your sources are NOT contemporary accounts, they prove zilch. Thus the legend remains a mere legend; not fact.
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 "In the matter of Peter's alleged manner of death there is NO contemporary evidence. Lacking such evidence, this tale remains a mere legend, not a fact."
A lack of evidence? You mean for things like your whackjob conspiracy theories that Opus Dei was responsible for 9/11, killed Jp1, brainwashed Jp2, kidnapped mother angelica, destroyed the banking system?
You are such a pathetic hypocrite. Utterly and truly shameless.
Did you take your meds today?
gomerjones 1 month ago
@carnivorousslushee23 Those are not contemporary sources; they wrote centuries later. A contemporary source is one whose lifespan in contemporary with the topic.
Is this so hard to comprehend? This is the logical basis for all historical research.
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 @carnivorousslushee23 Carnivourousshlushee, I wouldn't accept any of JP1's arguments about evidence, contemporary or otherwise. He argues that Opus Dei was behind 9/11, the current banking crisis, kidnapped Mother Angelica, killed JP1, brainwashed jp2, and a whole bunch of other conspiracy theories.
And he does all this without a shred of any proof that he demands from others.
So consider the source.
gomerjones 1 month ago
@carnivorousslushee23 Those writers are NOT contemporary sources, as they lived & wrote centuries later - basing this legend upon zero historical evidence.
JPI280978 1 month ago
hahahaha. Peter was hung upside down. The pope sits in Peter's position. That is why there is an upside down cross. To remember how great a follower of Christ Peter was.
MrGavinArvizo 1 month ago
@MrGavinArvizo "The pope sits in Peter's position". He is upside down?
Well, actually that is true. Ratzinger is nothing but spiritual Inversion.
JPI280978 1 month ago
Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Are you kidding me?
That's your solid proof???!!!
Oh, goodness, I can't stop laughing!!!
The upside down cross is St. Peter's cross! A papal symbol!
Do your research!!!!
Hahahahahah!!!!
FAIL!
FAIL!
FAIL!
Archangel777Catholic 2 months ago 7
St.Peter said that he is not worthy to die in the same manner of G-d.
he asked to be crucified upside down.
ELservenguenza 2 months ago
@ELservenguenza That is a mere legend which has zero contemporary evidence to back it up. The 'legend' was written centuries later.
JPI280978 2 months ago
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@JPI280978 "That is a mere legend which has zero contemporary evidence to back it up. The 'legend' was written centuries later."
Speaking of zero contemporary evidence, where is your evidence to your claims that Opus Dei was responsible for 9/11?
gomerjones 2 months ago
@ELservenguenza There is no historical evidence that Peter said any such thing.
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 can you just leave me alone!
i'm Catholic and i don't knock in evry door to ask money!!!
ELservenguenza 1 month ago
@ELservenguenza I am also of the Catholic Faith. But I am not one who accepts something merely on the word of some wannabe authority figure. Or a mere legend.
There is NO proof of how Peter died, as there is NO contemporary account of it. He was likely martyred. He could have been crucified. But we do not know this as a fact.
Unless you have had some locution from Heaven of how he died....the tale remains a legend.
JPI280978 1 month ago
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@JPI280978 " But I am not one who accepts something merely on the word of some wannabe authority figure"
And yet you want us to believe your own claims that Opus Dei was behind 9/11? Or killed Jp1? Or brainwashed Jp2? Or kidnapped Mother Angelica? Or is responsible for the banking crisis? You know, that one of many whackjob conspiracy theories that you push out there but don't want ANY evidence or contemporary account requirement for?
LOL. "Wannabe authority figure" fits you to a *T*
gomerjones 1 month ago
Hey Idiot,
The Pope is the successor to St. Peter. St. Peter was crucifed upside down. Inverted cross = ST. PETER. Way to go.
Blacktemplar1013 2 months ago
@Blacktemplar1013 Mr. Ratz is in no way the successor to Peter, nor the Vicar of Christ. The final true one was buried in 2005; there shall be no more. This is in Scripture & Prophecy & the words of Mary.
JPI280978 2 months ago
@JPI280978 I'm curious, which prophecy are you reading? Because I've been doing some reading myself and what I've come up with indicates that the current (or I suppose you would say false) Pope is the last one, not the previous Pope. What has Mary said that lends you this impression, and where was it? I know that Malachy's prophecy indicates that this is the last or possibly second to last Pope, which might mean that he is in fact false...Is that what you mean?
Blacktemplar1013 2 months ago
@Blacktemplar1013 I will send a more complete response by PM. The Malachy prophecy has a) been tampered with, & b) is not accurate. The current (false) pope is the last to sit on the throne. Yet 'Gloria Olivae' is already past. In a sense this is as JPIIs papacy was subverted; he was a puppet from the early 90s on, controlled by Ratz & the rest of the OD members who surrounded him.
It is in LaSalette, Fatima, Garabandal & Akita.
JPI280978 2 months ago
@JPI280978 Which prophecy is your evidence to support your claims that Opus Dei was behind 9/11?
gomerjones 1 month ago
@gomerjones In Revelations, the words of Jesus & the messages of Mary, a nuclear holocaust is clearly foretold. 9/11 is the initial, symbolic manifestation of this. A last chance warning - which man ignored. Now shall shortly come the full manifestation of this prophecy.
Wash yourself and make yourself clean. Else your fate is with the foolish virgins of Matthew 25
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 "In Revelations, the words of Jesus & the messages of Mary, a nuclear holocaust is clearly foretold."
That's not at all on point with my question nor any of your claims.
I asked you for PROOF for your ridiculous claims that Opus Dei was behind 9/11. Furthermore, PROOF using the same PROOF that you demand of others about Peter being buried at St. Peter's.
You have not provided the PROOF that you demand from others. Instead you change the subject. It's because you're a hypocrite.
gomerjones 1 month ago
@gomerjones As you are neither capable of correctly processing even mundane information - much less of comprehending spiritual matter - this makes no sense to you.
Opus Dei is of hell itself; it serves & venerates Mammon. It was founded by a man who was possessed, according to those who worked closely with him. Its global scope & power is more then most imagine, as it is of Mammon. As God uses evil men for His Will, so He has allowed OD to be linked to this; even if indirectly.
JPI280978 1 month ago
@JPI280978 :As you are neither capable of correctly processing even mundane information - much less of comprehending spiritual matter - this makes no sense to you... He has allowed OD to be linked to this; even if indirectly."
LOL. *I'm* incapable of processing mundane information? I'm not the one who can't summon the words to offer PROOF (as you've demanded of others) of your claims that Opus Dei was responsible for 9/11.
You calling out anyone else's proof is just plain silly. Hypocrite.
gomerjones 1 month ago
this was because they believe st Peter was crucified upside down.
shamir137 2 months ago
its called the st. peter's cross you retard. go look up "Cross of St. Peter" on wikipedia.
fiddymil 2 months ago
JP- Does it really matter if it happened or not? The upside down cross is based on the legend and not a satanic symbol. CASE REOPENED and CLOSED. Also you baseless comment about vatican wealth and not sharing is just that baseless. ON one sunday the vatican donated 190 million to the poor. (june 26th peters pence sunday) BTW the Catholic Church is FAR bigger than the vatican city state. How many SIsters of Mercy Hospitals is there.
paednoch 2 months ago
@paednoch No - the Vatican did not 'donate $190 billion to the poor'; and never has. The church does pitifully little for the poor. Just ask the folks in Haiti or any 3rd world nation. In every land, children eat from garbage as bishops dine in splendor.
As Inversion is the prime indicator of the demonic & higher occult, the Inverted Cross is a symbol of lucifer; of rejection & Inversion of the Gospel.
JPI280978 2 months ago
@JPI280978 "No - the Vatican did not 'donate $190 billion to the poor'; and never has. The church does pitifully little for the poor. "
Why would anyone believe your judgment? You can't prove it. You can't produce the proof you demand of others. You claim that Opus Dei was behind 9/11. Proof? Hahaha. So sad.
gomerjones 2 months ago
@JPI280978 The Holy Catholic Church is the LARGEST charitable organization on the planet, giving BILLIONS of dollars to the poor and needy. The upside down cross represents how Saint Peter died. The Pope is the successor of Peter. You are anti-Catholic.
DickCArbiter 1 month ago
@mystic1ification The Malachi prophecy is fraudulent & has been greatly tampered with. The final pope was buried in 2005; there shall be no more. The Antichrist was enthroned in April 2005. He has publicly rebuked God & denied the Incarnation of Jesus; blaspheming as foretold. His true origin is not what the Opus Dei cover story says. He is satan incarnate, achieved via converse with the devil. He was never baptized.
JPI280978 2 months ago
@mystic1ification No it was not. There are the bones of hundreds of thousands of people buried under the Vatican. Lacking ANY historic proof or DNA evidence, there is NO proof that the bones are of Peter. A pope simply proclaimed them to be so without any evidence.
JPI280978 2 months ago
@JPI280978 PROVE IT. In your own words, you nutjob, PROVE IT.
gomerjones 2 months ago
@mystic1ification
I will just offer a slight correction to your take on St.Malachy.
In.Malachy's prophecies, the 111th pope - apparently Benedict XVI - is actually called "the Glory of the Olive."
Also, he will not be an "anti-pope" or antichrist but will be a deeply faithful pope who will suffer greatly for the faith in a time of great trouble and terrible martyrdom for the Church.
Finally, he will not be the last pope. There will be more.
dane5256 2 months ago