Long time, first time. I wanted to suggest a book for you to consider reading (If you haven't already) that deals with the issues you are speaking to in this video (consciousness vs physicality). The book is "Philosophy of science: a contemporary introduction" by Alexander Rosenberg.
We used this in one of my college courses and it opened up so many good debates about consciousness as well as questioning the physical world with string theory type of concepts.
You may already have seen this video by Peter Russell, "The Primacy of Consciousness," but I'll post it anyway: It's [YouTube video ending with]v=-d4ugppcRUE" (can't post links here apparently). It's the most complete and straightforward argument I've seen to date on the subject.
I'd also recommend two books: Nick Herbert's "Quantum Reality" and the Buddhist book by Andy Karr called "Contemplating Reality."
A western academic science perspective of evolution is that it is not evolving towards anything, but that populations just evolve, not every population becomes more complex or more conscious over generations.
Others respond in what can be not confused as coincidence or chance, in intentional ways. VERY intentional. They don't just slap around and boom! you get matter. These energies have definitive intent. Math proves this on every level. Consciousness pervades the entire universe and communicates WAY faster than the speed of light. The speed of consciousness is nearly instantaneous at unimaginably great distances. This has been proven through science. See "Twin Particles". Nothing is faster.
Lorax...Consciousness confounds.......ENDLESSLY. I'm completely serious. That is why scientists don't touch. Well, most. If you remove consciousness from the equation (say...E=MC2....constantly evolving into different, ever increasing complexity and new forms), you get a bunch of balls in the sky. Nothing else. A bunch of balls in the sky which were formed by, YOU GUESSED IT! CONSCIOUSNESS! Each sub atomic particle passes information to others around it. Others respond.
Obviously higher consciousness is possible, collective consciousness is vastly superior, which is why people work together and spike their abilities with external brains and brainlets. Unfortunately, although well articulated your postulation is no longer "alternative" it is dated-out of date in fact. Science, altho inspired by supposition, is not based on it. The unknown is researched, it is only honest to admit that the unknown is so, delusional not to.
As I was growing I was often told that all matter is consciousness. This would mean that neither version is true, but that they are synonymous. In any case your theory is as unfounded and biased as the precept that consciousness arises from matter.
I really respect you and find you to be a true intellectual. But I think I'm a bit confused on something or just lack of understanding. So I thought I'd ask you for explanation if you would please answer. So if we are all connect then why are we all unequal? Are we all unequal? I think so but I could be wrong I suppose. I mean I know people that are smarter then me and people that I am smarter then. But when you put it all together intelligent, kindness, etc. are we all equal?
I Really Like Your Videos.... Deep Mind.... I purchased and Downloaded Your Book. Excellent! Only complaint is the Audio on many of your videos is too low... Please turn up the Volume.
Removing Ego creates expansion within yourself. Selflessness. You have to stop trying to control everything. This is what I have been learning in my life.
Where does God come into the picture? Yes, the universe is a holographic consciousness matrix that makes up the material world and the mind. But do you really think that that is the end all be all? God created this place for a very particular reason.
@kiefhouse Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
@kiefhouse Then how can the atheists delude themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@kiefhouse Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic".
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
@kiefhouse Human faculties of conception, perception and learning, and attributes of volition, intuition and apprehension cannot catch sight of His Person or fathom the extent of His Might and Glory. Reason and sagacity cannot visualise Him. His Attributes cannot be fixed, limited or defined. There is no difference between His Person and His Attributes, and His Attributes should not be differentiated or distinguished from His Person.
Whoever accepts His Attributes to be other than His Person then actually forsakes the idea of Unity of God and believes in duality ( He and His Attributes). Such a person in fact believes Him to exist in Parts. One who holds such a faith cannot form a true concept of God, he is IGNORANT and will always try to believe in some *creation* of his *imagination as his god.*
Intelligence, understanding and attainment cannot attain the depth of knowledge to study or scrutinise the Godhead. None can fully understand or explain His Being however hard he my try. There do not exist words in any language to specify or define His qualities, peculiarities, characteristics and singularities. He has not permitted human mind to grasp the Essence of His Being ***YET*** He has not prevented them from realising His Presence.
@1tabligh Here's how i look at it. Satan is the creation/physical universe/consciousness system thinking it can become God. Jesus Christ is the mediator between the creator deity and the creation. He has extended his hand in pure love and compassion to reunite the creation with the creator.
@kiefhouse Say ye: "We believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to God (in Islam)."
When the angels said: O Mary, surely God gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the '. christ, JESUS son of Mary, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to God).
Simply stated: do something good for some other living thing and feel better. Good advice. Do the aforementioned act repeatedly and consistently over a prolonged period of time and live a happier, more meaningful life. Thx lorax2013.
i almost was going to comment "you just need to keep getting high" when u said those words about action at the end...thnx bro, maybe its you whom i've been searching for... ;)..keep rocking!
i almost was going to comment "you just need to keep getting high" when u said those words about action at the end...thnx bro, maybe its you whom i've been searching for... ;)..keep rocking!
ok, if conciousness does not arise from the physical brain, then it is possible that it is at least percieved by the brain, as if the brain is an antenna for the constructs of conciousness. And is it also possible that conciousness may be a field of existance also created out of the evolution of social contructs between the organisms of said society? It is easy to say conciousness is transcendent, but you can't say conciousness is seperate from the mind in which you use to percieve it.
@hedgepiratefury The brain is the shadow of the mind. Just as a shadow is a 2 dimensional representation of a 3 dimensional form, the 3rd D is a shadow of higher dimensional forms. So, the brain is a 3D, physical representation of our mind. Thoughts don't arise from matter, thoughts move matter.
This is basically the ancient battle between an idealistic versus materialistic ontology. If we say consciouness somehow "arises" from matter we are materialist, if we claim matter arises from consciouness we are idealist. I don't think science as we know it can settle this dispute, there are no empirical way to test the validity of either the idealistic or the materialistic hypothesis. But i think these types of questions are very important. Without philosophy there wouldn't be any science.
As the way of all things, what effect do you suppose its question, knowledge, understanding and application by billions of persons will have on the state of global economics, science, the humanities, education, government and business?
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The underlying law of nature is the most important subject any person can investigate and learn about, can proceed to understand, and can then come to personally apply in life.
Lorax, I do my best but you seem much more well read than me, if you don't already know all about it check out Dr. Campbell's My big T.O.E (theory of everything) it supports what you just said with theory and some data. It was a great video series. It basically says that reality is relative to the perspective of the consciousness observing it just like time e.g. Einstein's theory of special relativity.
Vogelsang found consciousness connected to freed electrons as noted in the double slit experiment and Dr. Grissin's twin photon experiment. Vogelsang took quantum entanglement one step further with his STI device. It showed that quantum entanglement was conscious for the connection between every freed electron knows all potentials. Consciousness & matter are connected by quantum entanglement.
Our consciousness is a shared experience on a personial level. We share our awairness with a 'Foreign Energy".This is what creates our duality. The conditions we humans experience on Earth is a reflection of this shared consciousness.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! My current stack of reading goes into many of these ideas, but as Robert A. Monroe so aptly pointed out, I must go and find out for myself!
Just watched this for the 3rd time and realized at the end you say (paraphrasing) If you do for others you will feel "Good" now go out and do good and you will feel good... That does work right? Create an image of how you want to feel for an action then go commit too it, and you will feel the way you choose to feel for that action. I believe your right. I often do for others and dont tell anyone and feel its just my duty. I dont feel good or enthg i just feel like its my job 2 occasionally help.
I know this wasn't the point of the video, but it is a part that jumped out at me... and I really want to stop commenting on all your video's(for a few days) but just had to share that... I have made way to many comments now, i will stop... haha I just find this subject very intriguing, and am exited to understand more fully.
hahahaha really?? like umm, by aliens you mean alternate unknown living species? what and how would you make an assumption like that? I just couldn't image... very interesting how some people come to conclusions like this... and someone gave you a thumbs up? was that because of the good laugh you gave them? I will give you one too then... thanks for that... seriously thanx... your funny as hell...
on a different note... our solar system is estimated to be about 4.5 billion years old and if i remember the discovery channel right the first single celled life forms developed about 3 billion years ago, and then the first multi celled complex life forms developed 570 million years ago and the dinosuars we all know and love roamed the earth around 286 to 144 million years ago...
now lets just say that on some far off planet with a realativly circular orbit and much of the same elemental composition as earth, life happened to develop and it developed around the same time as earths early life forms. now lets also say these life forms didnt experiance as many mass extinctions as earth (we have documented 5 different mass extinctions in earths history) or atleast on of the more advanced species managed to survive and evolve for millions of years...
and so this creature on a far off planet would of had hundreds of thousands of years to develop a higher sence of consousness, which would result in a species far more advanced than our own capable of acheiveing feats far greater than we could imagin... i'm not saying that i believe in little green men, because that would be stupid seeing as i have nothing more than a wacky theory to support it. thats like saying my religion is right, see i have a book to prove it!
incase you were wondering i am incredibly bored and tired which is probly the only reason why i replied to your reply and im almost posative that im not going to leave another comment... but still, i belive its foolish to say its imposible for advanced life to exist somewhere else in the universe. and hey, a kid can dream cant he? "sheds tear".... see that more sarcasum, even as my left ass cheek falls asleep from this damn chair and sleepyness washes over me... damn i'm poetic.
PS. i type too fast so dont criticize if i miss spelled =).. oh and i lied when i said i woudlnt comment again but now i promis for sure!!! good night!! woop
Well ok sorry... you cant blame me for thinking your serious... there are a lot of crazzies... And I agree the universe is suppose to be much older then our own little planet and and bigger then we can fathom and its both ego-maniacal and stupid to think we are the smartest things ever to live or ever to be. But i think there are a lot of limitations on what can actually be done but also
flying around in UFO's and not saying hi is not the way someone that was kind or smarter would act thats the way we are. What i mean is Define advanced; could be anything able to jump higher then we can, adaptation is adapting to environmental elements. But then consider our own concepts about other living things is to do the whole probing thing like abduction victims claim... Sounds like a bad acid trip more then anything... If they are more intelligent they wont act like us because we are
F**KIng Stupid compared to someone that can do things that we cant even understand or think is possible and they do it will ease. I believe their actuation would not be understandable to us and their contact would just be a reflection of their superiority over us. Why would you be afraid of an ant? are you retarded? (not you just making the point) you cant go through a forest then find the place that has abundant resources and be scared of it... I just thought your statement was comparable to
When Unicorns are flying they often become invisible. no part is provable and yea funny...
Ok its 3am i am stoned. I didn't mean any disrespect... I just thought the statement was funny and hoped you don't really believe this when we have so many other factual things that are important and not considered. I dont worry about unicorns because I dont believe they have an effect on my life... and when they do i can deal with it.
Same here DONT MAKE FUN OF Mi SPELLin ok you can if you want lol
right on i get ya, and 99% of humanity is fucking retarded so i get ur point (exaggeration). liked your 3am stoned comment too ; ).. i was just backing up my foolish but mildly truthfull sarcastic statment and yeah theres no point in pondering subjects we cannot directly effect when we have so much bullshit going on in our own planet lol.. with respect, eckrote
So what your are saying to GAIN transcendent consciousness you must help someone and receive no payment form that individual.
You have contradicted yourself with from the moment you attempt to gain anything at all from an action.
In reality helping yourself actually is a result of helping other and there is no contradiction. If you destroy or harm other you will only temporarily help yourself the end will always be destruction.
Great video, I subbed you and started watching your archive.
It's an interesting idea that matter may arise from consciousness, but it begs a lot of difficult questions.
If matter arises from consciousness, then how is matter, in the form of drugs, able to have such a profound effect on consciousness?
It also implies that consciousness must have existed not only before the world, but before the very universe came into existence, and that consciousness must be larger than just humankind.
hi there loren great vids man.... I was wondering since you'r an environmental engeneer why don't you give your opinion about the environmental challenges humanity is facing?
With reference to altruism bringing about positivity, i have a question derived from experience. Does it make a difference whether the person you're performing the selfless act for CANNOT or WILL NOT (due to attitude/beliefs/etc) repay you? I mean, i act selflessly and yet I'm left with a sense of emptiness and sadness knowing that they chose not to (in their words "cannot") repay me. Why do i not feel elation? I know for a fact that i cannot be repaid and yet...
Hi superseyeon, it's a state of mind when you think that whatever selfless act you perform is not appreciated or even paid for. The fault lies in society and the wealth institutions that enslave us. Today everything has a dollar value to it or some sort of measurement and the system makes us believe and feel that you must be paid. Whether it be that the favour is returned to you, you are presented with a gift or you are paid with currency.
The answers you seek are within you and you have to take a journey into yourself in order to achieve happiness, or elation as you put it. No one can give you an answer to your own happiness, you must find it on your own but you are definitely not to blame for the way you feel and the people you provide charity to are not to blame either.
While the quest for answers is understandable, we should also be aware that words and conceptual thinking are too limited in scope to really come to grips with the riddles of existence.
A more fruitful approach is to still our mind. In this stillness, we have access to wordless knowing, which may however not necessarily be able to be translated into words.
Jesus resorted to parables to overcome the difficulty of imparting wordless, or even concept-free spiritual knowledge.
To find an answer, we would first have to define what we mean by consciousness.
Do we mean human awareness associated with our mental functions, or do we mean the intelligent quantum energy field which encompasses everything in the universe? It seems to me that the latter understanding is more comprehensive. Individual consciousness appear to be dependent on the way we interact with this field, by means of our organisms, via the nervous and glandular systems, and each cell of the body.
I would say that looking at this issue in a non-dualistic way, matter can be regarded as consciousness in a vibrational form perceptible to us via our sense organs.
We virtually bring matter into existence by sharing a common "dream.' We also dream ourselves into existence, to experience the dream. Some of us are asleep while they are dreaming that they are awake, while others are lucid dreamers, who know that they are dreaming and part of, yet also outside the dream.
I would say all states of consciousness could be explained by neuron trancemitters. However the order of these would b a manifestation of consciousness
good video, reminiscent of thomas campbell, mahayana bhudism experiments in outer body experience which i find particularly fascinating. Although this community and the western enthusiast surrounding claims there are clinical experiments supporting it's validity and the usual mainstream censorship of it's existence, I haven't researched the proof that our awareness is tangible or "subspacial" so much ridicule in this subject yet its so interesting
Though your video exhibition lacks certain polish and therein makes receptibility to the average viewing ego more difficult: the familiar gazing out direc. into viewers eyes, the nerdiness, overuse of the word "consider", your knowledge and articulation are both flawless. Bravo to the transcendental brainiacs :-) Your subject choice is suspiciously identical to the basic presumptions in Adidam. Are you a devotee?
Thank you for the comment and irish clover good luck this will bring luck and thanks to Lorax for sharing his insights on the subject matter with contributing comments we are understanding on perspectives as vibrational frequency, a philosophical perspective, super natural our perceptions for the mind how we envision very fascinating subject matter.
Lorax, I agree with your perspective!.. I make special mention to the comment that with relationships, the sphere of influence can kick us down a notch or we 'rise' a notch. Living on the plateau of ego is not in harmony with our creation or creator. Irishclovergoodluck
Our strongest moral is to be part of a group, so I see why you would think that we are somehow all connected at the conscious level.
As a theory this argument holds, but to prove it from a conscious perspective is impossible so I wouldn't even bother mentioning it!
You mentioned that to reach a higher state of consciousness just "go out and help somebody" This also arises from our strong want to be part of a group, for best way to be and stay part of a group is show your usefulness as a member.
Matter does arise from consciousness. Since it requires a higher state of consciousness to appreciate matter and of course recognise "self". for example at the point in time when all life in the universe was only unconscious being (single celled organism, bacteria etc), even if matter existed there was nothing to recognise that fact and so matter did not exist. this is a silly arguement.
Consciousness adheres to matter and we are fully experiencing the intention to experience ourselves in this dimension.Our consciousness is unified interconnected light intergalactic frequency..interesting subject matter that the sub conscious brings out into our thought patterns.
hey lorax, when you mentioned the possibility of matter arising from consciousness it clicked with me.
please correct me if im wrong, but didnt life start as very small cells and divide. living matter has grown and grown on earth since then, and really hasnt this all been driven on by consciousness?
consciously i decide to have a son and contribute to the overall living matter on earth
we have come from a few tiny cells, to tonnes and tonnes of living matter
good video but im confused. Is this related to events? The philosophical question I wonder is why events happen. What if our thoughts bring an event to pass but in the passing moment of it we change it by being aware of it and how we act because of it will be its result IE liking a girl and finally having the chance to have her and when you get her you completely mess up and did not expect what had happened to you. Maybe tell me what you truly think abo ut what consciousness.
Actually, if all matter is concious to some extent, then a "Cosmic Mind" wouldn't be required to design early macromolecules. They could have designed themselves over time and in competition with other configurations.
If matter can arise out of conciousness then perhaps a Cosmic Mind was able to mentally design the macromolecules that allowed evolution to occur. They couldn't have arisen by chance. The odds against were too astronomical.
This psycho is the one who did a hit and run 1 star on your video.
This is it:damianpoirier
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I am mostly the multicellular colony complex called Damian. My colony is host to a couple kilos of symbiotic and predator bacteria and an unknown number of other parasites/
This is your ordinary romanticised, wishful theory of consciousness created only to establish a pseudo-scientific justification for reincarnation. In accord with Occam's Razor, which explanation sounds most feasable? The one he just described, or that rudimentary consciousness emerge as a sense-organ comes into contact with the respective sense object in a biological organism with a sufficiently advanced nervous system?
Duality may simply be consciousness entertaining itself, I can't think of a interesting story that didn't have an obstacle to overcome, whether this was a villain, a monster, or a force of nature. In Yoga there are many different paths, one of them has you passionately indulge in every human virtue and every human vice- basically to play in the delusion, that the world is, with all your emotions at full intensity.
@iworkforme Out of body experience. I've had it only once in full consciousness. I flew across the space and met a figure in total emptiness (it was pitch black). I was loved. You cannot fathom how much I felt love. Unfortunately my meditations have only granted me ecstatic states, not spontaneous out of body experiences. But others tell it is possible. I believe them. These are, of course, stories before you have your own fly in the heights.
spontaneous generation is a hypothesis, by scientific consensus, is not true. spontaneous generation IS NOT abiogenesis. there is a lot of scientific evidence in support of the theory of abiogenesis.
i like all of your other vids, but this one offends me.
are you sure that there is something that "arises" or is that a concept the human mind projects because itself has a beginning and an end? And-- what is matter? There is only mind, alreaddy always having created this
Welcome to the Twilight Zone Captain kirk. But on a serious note. My conceptiong of the whole ordeal is that without a faith based knowledge in a Higher Power, whom I call Jesus, one cannot fully understand his complete and full physical existence nor purpose. In a laymen's terms. We are not meant to understand some realms. But with faith, we can be at ease and not beat our brains out trying to comprehend every little detail. Keep it Simple, and the rest will come.
I've always been very curious about consciousness. When I was a little boy, I once questioned my father, "Dad, why where we given eyes?" He replied, "Because the stars wanted to see themselves."
I firmly believe that there is one consciousness, but it can take many different forms; you or I, a cat or a dog, whatever, but ultimately, it is the universe looking back on itself.
"you are not in the World, the World is in you" Deepak Chopra
Matter does in fact arise out of consciousness, folks. Just look around you. We live in a society birthed from consciousness. Skyscrapers, automobiles, flying machines, all of it.
on that last part, wouldnt it still be selfish if it was only to inflate your ego, knowing that you helped someone else without chance of being repayed?
89bavaro: The idea that everything we do is selfish is one perspective. Another perspective is that everything we do is toward a purpose higher than ourselves even if we try our hardest not to do that. We are separate parts of a greater whole. Both are true. The separateness and the wholeness.
The software, whether it is loaded from disk or remotely, is still resident in memory and executes on the CPU on the laptop. Show some scientific evidence that that brain are antennas 'picking' up conciousness rather than a mechanism producing it.
by the way.. i have heard many spritual leaders saying that the world is an illusion. I couldn't really understand that, but this vid helps me understand it better, thanks!
If all matter was once a singularity then maybe sentience evolved as a way for the universe to know itself, to understand the tearing apart of the highest state of consciousness, all things literally as one?
It's important to consider that reality doesn't CARE what we believe. Reality is always apparent in this moment. I do, however, enjoy intellectual gymnastics as much as the next guy. I think Adi Da (R.I.P.) says it best in one of his videos; "There is no Creator/Created" relationship. Everything IS the Creator. That viewpoint is the final crushing of the dualistic modality. Consciousness conscious of itself. What else is there? Consciousness is infinite potential. Love you, Lorax.
GREAT VIDS BY THE WAY...Would it be to much to ask of you to do a vid on the "Life and Death" of a Fiat currency. Kind of A metaphor - Mans life cycle and that of a fiat currency.Many times have the fiat scam be pulled, lived and then imploded. Just wondering if you could run that alongside of a mans life and compare the two. Supply some facts such as starting points, maturation and collapse. The main point would be that all Fiats have a life cycle. So where are we at in the $ life cycle, dead?
I always look forward to your videos, excellent as always. I have one suggestion, slow down a little bit, I had to rewind often because you were speaking so fast.
I have to disagree with your comment at the end. I don't think you can claim an action to be selfless, because even if you claim an action to not have any benefit to yourself directly, you're going to feel better about yourself for making the "selfless" act which actually makes it a non-selfless act.
First there was the word (conciousness perhaps?) and the word was God, and the word was of God, (creation). An ancient way of stateing that the universe is the product of thought.
To use market terminology, enlightenment is overbought in our culture whereas awareness mobility is oversold. Think about it, who is more enlightened? Some guru that is stuck in a void state without any self or some average Joe on the street corner that mistakenly identifies with his body? Well neither really. The answer is the third guy: the guy that has total awareness mobility and can move in and out of any state he desires at will.
You want to get to the stage where you can break down those boundaries at will, without entheogens. In other words, you want to get to the stage where your thought processes operate like you are on psychedelics as a natural state. Of course you can design them this way.
This sounds to me like seventeenth century philosophy. It was clear already then to both Spinoza and Leibniz that reductive explanations do not hold. So what's new about this? A good advice - drop metaphysics! It's beyond human comprehension anyway. But consciousness is, in contrast to popular belief, certainly more fundamental to us than materia, which is just something derived.
I believe the unified field theory will soon reveal that which is known and has been known for centuries by truly enlightened and/or transcended beings, which is that there is no fundamental particle, but rather a fundamental principle reflecting the pattern of creation. It will be revealed that we are, in a sense, the creators of the creator like the cells of a body. We are individual and yet we collectively form the very consciousness that makes possible our existence.
When we contemplate that our experience is, at best, a grossly distorted version of truth, then we start to see how futile it is to attempt to arrive at truth using tools of deception (our senses). It's like a physicist in the matrix trying to discover the nature of reality by looking through his matrix generated microscope. Anything he finds is ultimately part of the deception. The only real truth he would ever be able to arrive at is that "he is". This is why truth resides within.
I got an email that you had replied to my comment saying that you would delete comments that were "just sniping" but I see that my comment is still there but your reply is not.
I'm not sure what happened, buy I still contend that most of this video is nonsense. However, since you did ask me to elaborate and my initial comment was devoid of argument, I shall oblige.
But since I'm tired right now, expect my comments or a video in the next few days.
What about the idea that all human consciousness is a side effect of the evolution of the human weapon the brain. Humans think they are the center of the universe and they change what they feel and see to fit that view. If we try to achive a higher state or a transended state causes a duality because we a here and we want to go there to achive our goal which causes conflict and we can never reach the state unless the ego fades way for a few moments if we are lucky.
"Phenomena" can be singular? Not in my dictionary. Anyway, it sounds ignorant and is a particular pet peeve. No offense was intended, though. Consciousness exists within us and without us -- I'm pretty sure about that. No need to get your bloomers in a bunch about it, though. I think you're a really smart guy, and I like your book, but this video does seem a little woo-woo-ish and desperate. Like maybe you've been having ethneogenic (?) revelations. Just breathe, dude.
All images are created in the back of the brain. It is consciousness that created matter. We are the universe becoming conscious of itself. The illusion of matter is the universe's first attempt to create a tangible world.
NojusticeInThisWorld, You're 100% correct that "all images are created in the back of the brain. It is consciousness that created matter", but the deeper questions that obviously follow are "What is the brain you speak of? - where did it originate? - and what is it made of?"
The brain that creates the images in our consciousness must also have been created by that very consciousness... hence the fractal nature of reality.
Like cells of a body, we are the creators of the creator.
This would seem to be the study of perception which, IMO is fundamentally rooted in the study of awareness of one's own existence, or, quite simplyconsciousness.
It seems to me that Heisenberg was on the money in his general assessment of a science built around probability, in that he came to acknowledge quantum mechanics as the study of mathematics that didnt so much represent the behavior of particles but rather our knowledge of this behavior. So, in a sense, QM doesnt really attempt to explain subatomic behavioral processes, but rather our "knowing about" their behaviors.
1.This is all based upon the premise that we "evolved". Most of us have seen "The Secret" and I personally don't reconcile myself to the idea of the feedback loop mechanism to which you are referring, not to say that it doesn't exist, rather I tend to think that we exist outside of the time/space continuum while also existing within it and that we already know what is going to happen within the dimension of time, which is why some experience "higher" consciousness, cause they are tapping into
2. the part of them which exists outside of time. (To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, well, God exists outside of time, and we will one day die, therefore, that day has happened outside of time and we are already present with God, while at the same time, we are stuck in this dimension and subject to the effects of time.) This is what I think deja-vu is, it is our spirit in the time space continuum recognizing what it already knows inherently. We tap into our spirits.
3. Not to mention that scripture does say God "spoke" the universe into existence, and everything is composed of frequency. Matter is frequency, I know that frequency affects our consciousness, and I don't completely understand whether that is because frequency is consciousness or rather, that consciousness is subject to frequency and resonance. All I know is that when exposed to specific frequencies, their is either resonance or the latter, and often times, a certain frequency will cause the
4. Surrounding matter to either conform to that frequency, or to disassociate, if exposed for prolonged periods of time, a person will at the cellular level change according to the frequencies which surrounds them, or they will simply have to leave because it doesn't resonate with them. See, I don't believe in evolution or higher consciousness, but I believe in spirit and as the source of all things, and while I don't understand it all as my current mind is limited by it's physical nature,
5.I understand that the wisdom of the world is foolishness in the sight of God. You are right about one thing, and that is duality. It is in serving others that we are able to be at our highest potential. While I don't think it eliminates suffering, it at the least is a good distraction from ourselves.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Don't shout rhetoric.. prove what you are saying. You won't, because what you are saying is total bullshit.
I always hear "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" to me the most extraordinary claim is that consciousness and emotion arise from inanimate matter. This video gave some proof from my end, I haven't heard any proof for the purely mechanistic extraordinary claims. People also claim that it is just rhetoric or belief to say consciousness is an entity unto itself, however they don't realize that to claim the opposite is even more faith based according to science.
I read the article, though not in enough detail to comment on every aspect. To me, it seems Dennett is simply doing what I'd call muddying the water (he'd make a great ecomomist). Dennet is IMO just diverting attention to often irrelevant side issues rather than admitting - as straightforward scientists will - that certain aspects of consciousness are not currently explainable.
A straightforward scientist making that honest admission doesn't prove mechanism wrong, is just admits the explanation is currently beyond us. Dennet doesn't seem willing to admit this, however, and also doesn't provide much proof from his side other than a deja vu explanation. His paper IMO mainly consists of implications that non-mechanists are using one of two magic tricks to delude people - but he doesn't give specific examples. Maybe I missed somethng tho, can you distill a strong point(s)?
I haven't read the article but I have seen a lecture he gave on the topic (the video I was trying to find). From the lecture I got the impression that he was presenting option C rather than merely suggesting it was necessarily the case. That is consciousness may not be reducible in the same way a magic trick is not reducible. We're all looking in the wrong place just like we are when we're tricked by magicians.
The same can be said for the content of this entire video. There is no proof for any of it. And that is your opinion XX Trail, you may agree to disagree, I thought we were supposed to talk about the topic at hand anyways, what do you think about what Loren said? Give us your two cents.
XxTrailofDeadxX, by proof I assume you mean the presentation of facts that are perceptible by our limited sensory apparatus.
Most existing phenomena is never even available to us, thus rendering the concept of proof to that of almost pure metaphor. Many of the views conveyed in this video happen to be shared by some of the most brilliant minds that ever lived, so placing these views in the total bullshit category reveals nothing about the views themselves but rather everything about you.
Hi Loren,
Long time, first time. I wanted to suggest a book for you to consider reading (If you haven't already) that deals with the issues you are speaking to in this video (consciousness vs physicality). The book is "Philosophy of science: a contemporary introduction" by Alexander Rosenberg.
We used this in one of my college courses and it opened up so many good debates about consciousness as well as questioning the physical world with string theory type of concepts.
Alex
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budoracle 3 months ago
existential!
0dour 3 months ago
Awsome video.
MrAlexanderHoff 3 months ago
We ARE a soul and we HAVE a body. What happens in the physical already happened in the spiritual.
slaussies 5 months ago
Vipassana
uilium 6 months ago
You may already have seen this video by Peter Russell, "The Primacy of Consciousness," but I'll post it anyway: It's [YouTube video ending with]v=-d4ugppcRUE" (can't post links here apparently). It's the most complete and straightforward argument I've seen to date on the subject.
I'd also recommend two books: Nick Herbert's "Quantum Reality" and the Buddhist book by Andy Karr called "Contemplating Reality."
Great videos... keep up the good work! :)
mindzwitness 6 months ago
Could you say that culture is the common consciousness och the ppl in a country?
typeclash 8 months ago
A western academic science perspective of evolution is that it is not evolving towards anything, but that populations just evolve, not every population becomes more complex or more conscious over generations.
bi9126 8 months ago
Others respond in what can be not confused as coincidence or chance, in intentional ways. VERY intentional. They don't just slap around and boom! you get matter. These energies have definitive intent. Math proves this on every level. Consciousness pervades the entire universe and communicates WAY faster than the speed of light. The speed of consciousness is nearly instantaneous at unimaginably great distances. This has been proven through science. See "Twin Particles". Nothing is faster.
Kostly 9 months ago
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Lorax...Consciousness confounds.......ENDLESSLY. I'm completely serious. That is why scientists don't touch. Well, most. If you remove consciousness from the equation (say...E=MC2....constantly evolving into different, ever increasing complexity and new forms), you get a bunch of balls in the sky. Nothing else. A bunch of balls in the sky which were formed by, YOU GUESSED IT! CONSCIOUSNESS! Each sub atomic particle passes information to others around it. Others respond.
Kostly 9 months ago
Obviously higher consciousness is possible, collective consciousness is vastly superior, which is why people work together and spike their abilities with external brains and brainlets. Unfortunately, although well articulated your postulation is no longer "alternative" it is dated-out of date in fact. Science, altho inspired by supposition, is not based on it. The unknown is researched, it is only honest to admit that the unknown is so, delusional not to.
mongolelf 9 months ago
As I was growing I was often told that all matter is consciousness. This would mean that neither version is true, but that they are synonymous. In any case your theory is as unfounded and biased as the precept that consciousness arises from matter.
mongolelf 9 months ago
TECHNICAL VIDEO OR DETAILS? SHUT UP YOU DON`T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU`RE SAYING MORON...
Mhojie1 10 months ago
GREAT video!
BetterDoYourHomeWork 10 months ago
I really respect you and find you to be a true intellectual. But I think I'm a bit confused on something or just lack of understanding. So I thought I'd ask you for explanation if you would please answer. So if we are all connect then why are we all unequal? Are we all unequal? I think so but I could be wrong I suppose. I mean I know people that are smarter then me and people that I am smarter then. But when you put it all together intelligent, kindness, etc. are we all equal?
135Emmy 10 months ago
I Really Like Your Videos.... Deep Mind.... I purchased and Downloaded Your Book. Excellent! Only complaint is the Audio on many of your videos is too low... Please turn up the Volume.
lastquest 11 months ago
Removing Ego creates expansion within yourself. Selflessness. You have to stop trying to control everything. This is what I have been learning in my life.
TheAntiFascist2010 1 year ago
Where does God come into the picture? Yes, the universe is a holographic consciousness matrix that makes up the material world and the mind. But do you really think that that is the end all be all? God created this place for a very particular reason.
kiefhouse 1 year ago
@kiefhouse Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Yes, I would agree that it is logical from our current state of understanding.
kiefhouse 1 year ago
@kiefhouse Then how can the atheists delude themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh I don't know. I'm not an atheist
kiefhouse 1 year ago
@kiefhouse Is it at all feasible to regard all the geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh I would think not due to the high organization and complexity of reality. This does not fit the bill of ignorance.
kiefhouse 1 year ago
@kiefhouse Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
1tabligh 1 year ago
God and Empirical Logic.
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic".
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh In my humble opinion it is a being. An eternal deity separate from both matter and consciousness.
kiefhouse 1 year ago
@kiefhouse Human faculties of conception, perception and learning, and attributes of volition, intuition and apprehension cannot catch sight of His Person or fathom the extent of His Might and Glory. Reason and sagacity cannot visualise Him. His Attributes cannot be fixed, limited or defined. There is no difference between His Person and His Attributes, and His Attributes should not be differentiated or distinguished from His Person.
1tabligh 1 year ago
Whoever accepts His Attributes to be other than His Person then actually forsakes the idea of Unity of God and believes in duality ( He and His Attributes). Such a person in fact believes Him to exist in Parts. One who holds such a faith cannot form a true concept of God, he is IGNORANT and will always try to believe in some *creation* of his *imagination as his god.*
1tabligh 1 year ago
Intelligence, understanding and attainment cannot attain the depth of knowledge to study or scrutinise the Godhead. None can fully understand or explain His Being however hard he my try. There do not exist words in any language to specify or define His qualities, peculiarities, characteristics and singularities. He has not permitted human mind to grasp the Essence of His Being ***YET*** He has not prevented them from realising His Presence.
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Here's how i look at it. Satan is the creation/physical universe/consciousness system thinking it can become God. Jesus Christ is the mediator between the creator deity and the creation. He has extended his hand in pure love and compassion to reunite the creation with the creator.
kiefhouse 1 year ago
@kiefhouse Say ye: "We believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to God (in Islam)."
(Quran Chapter 2, Verse 136)
1tabligh 1 year ago
When the angels said: O Mary, surely God gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the '. christ, JESUS son of Mary, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to God).
The Quran [3:45]
Behold! the angels said: "O mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
The Quran [3:42]
1tabligh 1 year ago
After viewing this video I bet lorax2013 experimented with psilocybin before LOL.
shinzantetsu 1 year ago
straight up awesome...though I might just be saying that because of some unseen connectedness.
mrkurt13 1 year ago
Simply stated: do something good for some other living thing and feel better. Good advice. Do the aforementioned act repeatedly and consistently over a prolonged period of time and live a happier, more meaningful life. Thx lorax2013.
mgalin1 1 year ago
You have mentioned nothing about oil from algae!
srglink 1 year ago
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i almost was going to comment "you just need to keep getting high" when u said those words about action at the end...thnx bro, maybe its you whom i've been searching for... ;)..keep rocking!
gopz83 1 year ago
i almost was going to comment "you just need to keep getting high" when u said those words about action at the end...thnx bro, maybe its you whom i've been searching for... ;)..keep rocking!
gopz83 1 year ago
ok, if conciousness does not arise from the physical brain, then it is possible that it is at least percieved by the brain, as if the brain is an antenna for the constructs of conciousness. And is it also possible that conciousness may be a field of existance also created out of the evolution of social contructs between the organisms of said society? It is easy to say conciousness is transcendent, but you can't say conciousness is seperate from the mind in which you use to percieve it.
hedgepiratefury 1 year ago
@hedgepiratefury The brain is the shadow of the mind. Just as a shadow is a 2 dimensional representation of a 3 dimensional form, the 3rd D is a shadow of higher dimensional forms. So, the brain is a 3D, physical representation of our mind. Thoughts don't arise from matter, thoughts move matter.
jbnumba1 1 year ago
This is basically the ancient battle between an idealistic versus materialistic ontology. If we say consciouness somehow "arises" from matter we are materialist, if we claim matter arises from consciouness we are idealist. I don't think science as we know it can settle this dispute, there are no empirical way to test the validity of either the idealistic or the materialistic hypothesis. But i think these types of questions are very important. Without philosophy there wouldn't be any science.
unjusdorange 1 year ago
it is the same thing, energy spins becoming what we think is matter
low frequencies are harder but all matter is still surounded by space
so, looking at life, it is all emotions 9 in fact nne planets nine months to gestation
nine states of consciouness, so something is organizing matter, spiral shells,
tornados, finger prints, gallaxies etc, fibonacci code says it all. vortex combines
spriti is emotion is love, love is generating dna and gravity.
igoditigodit 1 year ago
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THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION OF ALL:
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What is the underlying law of nature.
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As the way of all things, what effect do you suppose its question, knowledge, understanding and application by billions of persons will have on the state of global economics, science, the humanities, education, government and business?
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The underlying law of nature is the most important subject any person can investigate and learn about, can proceed to understand, and can then come to personally apply in life.
TedDGPoulos 1 year ago
Lorax, I do my best but you seem much more well read than me, if you don't already know all about it check out Dr. Campbell's My big T.O.E (theory of everything) it supports what you just said with theory and some data. It was a great video series. It basically says that reality is relative to the perspective of the consciousness observing it just like time e.g. Einstein's theory of special relativity.
galendracos 1 year ago
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dinonimous 1 year ago
u sell meth?
ind33 1 year ago
Vogelsang found consciousness connected to freed electrons as noted in the double slit experiment and Dr. Grissin's twin photon experiment. Vogelsang took quantum entanglement one step further with his STI device. It showed that quantum entanglement was conscious for the connection between every freed electron knows all potentials. Consciousness & matter are connected by quantum entanglement.
GateMessenger 1 year ago
Our consciousness is a shared experience on a personial level. We share our awairness with a 'Foreign Energy".This is what creates our duality. The conditions we humans experience on Earth is a reflection of this shared consciousness.
101thehunter 1 year ago
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somebody shoot this guy
he's too boring
nephildevil 2 years ago
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! My current stack of reading goes into many of these ideas, but as Robert A. Monroe so aptly pointed out, I must go and find out for myself!
sortashaman 2 years ago
In my humble opinion, your point that it all comes down to compassion for other beings is brilliant.
Don't forget to distinguish states from stages of developement.
drjchiro1 2 years ago
Just watched this for the 3rd time and realized at the end you say (paraphrasing) If you do for others you will feel "Good" now go out and do good and you will feel good... That does work right? Create an image of how you want to feel for an action then go commit too it, and you will feel the way you choose to feel for that action. I believe your right. I often do for others and dont tell anyone and feel its just my duty. I dont feel good or enthg i just feel like its my job 2 occasionally help.
CodyWest88 2 years ago
I know this wasn't the point of the video, but it is a part that jumped out at me... and I really want to stop commenting on all your video's(for a few days) but just had to share that... I have made way to many comments now, i will stop... haha I just find this subject very intriguing, and am exited to understand more fully.
CodyWest88 2 years ago
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CodyWest88 2 years ago
20 bucks says aliens have achieved a higher sense of consciousness =)
eckrote 2 years ago 2
hahahaha really?? like umm, by aliens you mean alternate unknown living species? what and how would you make an assumption like that? I just couldn't image... very interesting how some people come to conclusions like this... and someone gave you a thumbs up? was that because of the good laugh you gave them? I will give you one too then... thanks for that... seriously thanx... your funny as hell...
CodyWest88 2 years ago
slow down buddy, can't take a bit of sarcasum? everyone needs a chuckle here and there ;), after all we all end up dead in a hole neways.
eckrote 2 years ago
on a different note... our solar system is estimated to be about 4.5 billion years old and if i remember the discovery channel right the first single celled life forms developed about 3 billion years ago, and then the first multi celled complex life forms developed 570 million years ago and the dinosuars we all know and love roamed the earth around 286 to 144 million years ago...
eckrote 2 years ago
now lets just say that on some far off planet with a realativly circular orbit and much of the same elemental composition as earth, life happened to develop and it developed around the same time as earths early life forms. now lets also say these life forms didnt experiance as many mass extinctions as earth (we have documented 5 different mass extinctions in earths history) or atleast on of the more advanced species managed to survive and evolve for millions of years...
eckrote 2 years ago
and so this creature on a far off planet would of had hundreds of thousands of years to develop a higher sence of consousness, which would result in a species far more advanced than our own capable of acheiveing feats far greater than we could imagin... i'm not saying that i believe in little green men, because that would be stupid seeing as i have nothing more than a wacky theory to support it. thats like saying my religion is right, see i have a book to prove it!
eckrote 2 years ago
incase you were wondering i am incredibly bored and tired which is probly the only reason why i replied to your reply and im almost posative that im not going to leave another comment... but still, i belive its foolish to say its imposible for advanced life to exist somewhere else in the universe. and hey, a kid can dream cant he? "sheds tear".... see that more sarcasum, even as my left ass cheek falls asleep from this damn chair and sleepyness washes over me... damn i'm poetic.
eckrote 2 years ago
PS. i type too fast so dont criticize if i miss spelled =).. oh and i lied when i said i woudlnt comment again but now i promis for sure!!! good night!! woop
eckrote 2 years ago
Well ok sorry... you cant blame me for thinking your serious... there are a lot of crazzies... And I agree the universe is suppose to be much older then our own little planet and and bigger then we can fathom and its both ego-maniacal and stupid to think we are the smartest things ever to live or ever to be. But i think there are a lot of limitations on what can actually be done but also
CodyWest88 2 years ago
flying around in UFO's and not saying hi is not the way someone that was kind or smarter would act thats the way we are. What i mean is Define advanced; could be anything able to jump higher then we can, adaptation is adapting to environmental elements. But then consider our own concepts about other living things is to do the whole probing thing like abduction victims claim... Sounds like a bad acid trip more then anything... If they are more intelligent they wont act like us because we are
CodyWest88 2 years ago
F**KIng Stupid compared to someone that can do things that we cant even understand or think is possible and they do it will ease. I believe their actuation would not be understandable to us and their contact would just be a reflection of their superiority over us. Why would you be afraid of an ant? are you retarded? (not you just making the point) you cant go through a forest then find the place that has abundant resources and be scared of it... I just thought your statement was comparable to
CodyWest88 2 years ago
When Unicorns are flying they often become invisible. no part is provable and yea funny...
Ok its 3am i am stoned. I didn't mean any disrespect... I just thought the statement was funny and hoped you don't really believe this when we have so many other factual things that are important and not considered. I dont worry about unicorns because I dont believe they have an effect on my life... and when they do i can deal with it.
Same here DONT MAKE FUN OF Mi SPELLin ok you can if you want lol
CodyWest88 2 years ago
right on i get ya, and 99% of humanity is fucking retarded so i get ur point (exaggeration). liked your 3am stoned comment too ; ).. i was just backing up my foolish but mildly truthfull sarcastic statment and yeah theres no point in pondering subjects we cannot directly effect when we have so much bullshit going on in our own planet lol.. with respect, eckrote
eckrote 2 years ago
this guy is brilliant
doctorjay1976 2 years ago
i suggest u learn about "Rumi" .He clarifies the same topic in lay man's language , in very simple words.
smilingsun1 2 years ago
So what your are saying to GAIN transcendent consciousness you must help someone and receive no payment form that individual.
You have contradicted yourself with from the moment you attempt to gain anything at all from an action.
In reality helping yourself actually is a result of helping other and there is no contradiction. If you destroy or harm other you will only temporarily help yourself the end will always be destruction.
davincij15 2 years ago
Great video, I subbed you and started watching your archive.
It's an interesting idea that matter may arise from consciousness, but it begs a lot of difficult questions.
If matter arises from consciousness, then how is matter, in the form of drugs, able to have such a profound effect on consciousness?
It also implies that consciousness must have existed not only before the world, but before the very universe came into existence, and that consciousness must be larger than just humankind.
requiem777 2 years ago
hi there loren great vids man.... I was wondering since you'r an environmental engeneer why don't you give your opinion about the environmental challenges humanity is facing?
thom188 2 years ago
With reference to altruism bringing about positivity, i have a question derived from experience. Does it make a difference whether the person you're performing the selfless act for CANNOT or WILL NOT (due to attitude/beliefs/etc) repay you? I mean, i act selflessly and yet I'm left with a sense of emptiness and sadness knowing that they chose not to (in their words "cannot") repay me. Why do i not feel elation? I know for a fact that i cannot be repaid and yet...
supersaeyeon 2 years ago
Hi superseyeon, it's a state of mind when you think that whatever selfless act you perform is not appreciated or even paid for. The fault lies in society and the wealth institutions that enslave us. Today everything has a dollar value to it or some sort of measurement and the system makes us believe and feel that you must be paid. Whether it be that the favour is returned to you, you are presented with a gift or you are paid with currency.
Purrfectstranger 2 years ago
The answers you seek are within you and you have to take a journey into yourself in order to achieve happiness, or elation as you put it. No one can give you an answer to your own happiness, you must find it on your own but you are definitely not to blame for the way you feel and the people you provide charity to are not to blame either.
Namaste
Purrfectstranger 2 years ago
While the quest for answers is understandable, we should also be aware that words and conceptual thinking are too limited in scope to really come to grips with the riddles of existence.
A more fruitful approach is to still our mind. In this stillness, we have access to wordless knowing, which may however not necessarily be able to be translated into words.
Jesus resorted to parables to overcome the difficulty of imparting wordless, or even concept-free spiritual knowledge.
vaccineshurtbabies 2 years ago
To find an answer, we would first have to define what we mean by consciousness.
Do we mean human awareness associated with our mental functions, or do we mean the intelligent quantum energy field which encompasses everything in the universe? It seems to me that the latter understanding is more comprehensive. Individual consciousness appear to be dependent on the way we interact with this field, by means of our organisms, via the nervous and glandular systems, and each cell of the body.
vaccineshurtbabies 2 years ago
I would say that looking at this issue in a non-dualistic way, matter can be regarded as consciousness in a vibrational form perceptible to us via our sense organs.
We virtually bring matter into existence by sharing a common "dream.' We also dream ourselves into existence, to experience the dream. Some of us are asleep while they are dreaming that they are awake, while others are lucid dreamers, who know that they are dreaming and part of, yet also outside the dream.
vaccineshurtbabies 2 years ago
I would say all states of consciousness could be explained by neuron trancemitters. However the order of these would b a manifestation of consciousness
dwixi 2 years ago
Where have you gone? Are you dead??! Make some more vids man!
CelticReject 2 years ago
Watch the Matrix!!! it provides a great visual understanding about consciousness and it's determination of what's real or not
iteslabot 2 years ago
good video, reminiscent of thomas campbell, mahayana bhudism experiments in outer body experience which i find particularly fascinating. Although this community and the western enthusiast surrounding claims there are clinical experiments supporting it's validity and the usual mainstream censorship of it's existence, I haven't researched the proof that our awareness is tangible or "subspacial" so much ridicule in this subject yet its so interesting
TheSubcultureexposed 2 years ago
sir, you are a genius. post more videos, please.
westpistola 2 years ago
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dwixi 2 years ago
Though your video exhibition lacks certain polish and therein makes receptibility to the average viewing ego more difficult: the familiar gazing out direc. into viewers eyes, the nerdiness, overuse of the word "consider", your knowledge and articulation are both flawless. Bravo to the transcendental brainiacs :-) Your subject choice is suspiciously identical to the basic presumptions in Adidam. Are you a devotee?
StevieSwigginburger 2 years ago
hi i don't know who you are but i have come across our videos and for the first time i feel like i can be understood...... what does that mean?
i have always thought that the physical is a result of the consciousness. it is something i have felt extremely about and i have no idea why?
shadiepawn 2 years ago
Thank you for the comment and irish clover good luck this will bring luck and thanks to Lorax for sharing his insights on the subject matter with contributing comments we are understanding on perspectives as vibrational frequency, a philosophical perspective, super natural our perceptions for the mind how we envision very fascinating subject matter.
brightlightbabe 2 years ago
Lorax, I agree with your perspective!.. I make special mention to the comment that with relationships, the sphere of influence can kick us down a notch or we 'rise' a notch. Living on the plateau of ego is not in harmony with our creation or creator. Irishclovergoodluck
irishclovergoodluck 2 years ago
I am not clear on the term "dualistic".. Please explain?
Irishclovergoodluck
irishclovergoodluck 2 years ago
look it up
timmypaints 2 years ago
Our strongest moral is to be part of a group, so I see why you would think that we are somehow all connected at the conscious level.
As a theory this argument holds, but to prove it from a conscious perspective is impossible so I wouldn't even bother mentioning it!
You mentioned that to reach a higher state of consciousness just "go out and help somebody" This also arises from our strong want to be part of a group, for best way to be and stay part of a group is show your usefulness as a member.
expelledboy 2 years ago
Matter does arise from consciousness. Since it requires a higher state of consciousness to appreciate matter and of course recognise "self". for example at the point in time when all life in the universe was only unconscious being (single celled organism, bacteria etc), even if matter existed there was nothing to recognise that fact and so matter did not exist. this is a silly arguement.
mervicus 2 years ago
cant i just as easily say that matter is always there, its just primitive cells had no sensors to detect that matter?
viewer1112 2 years ago
Yeah you can. It is really the chicken and the egg though.
dwixi 2 years ago
Consciousness adheres to matter and we are fully experiencing the intention to experience ourselves in this dimension.Our consciousness is unified interconnected light intergalactic frequency..interesting subject matter that the sub conscious brings out into our thought patterns.
brightlightbabe 2 years ago
brightlightbabe.. You are one of few that I agree with your explanation!. Thankyou.
irishclovergoodluck 2 years ago
hey lorax, when you mentioned the possibility of matter arising from consciousness it clicked with me.
please correct me if im wrong, but didnt life start as very small cells and divide. living matter has grown and grown on earth since then, and really hasnt this all been driven on by consciousness?
consciously i decide to have a son and contribute to the overall living matter on earth
we have come from a few tiny cells, to tonnes and tonnes of living matter
all driven on by consciousness
viewer1112 2 years ago
good video but im confused. Is this related to events? The philosophical question I wonder is why events happen. What if our thoughts bring an event to pass but in the passing moment of it we change it by being aware of it and how we act because of it will be its result IE liking a girl and finally having the chance to have her and when you get her you completely mess up and did not expect what had happened to you. Maybe tell me what you truly think abo ut what consciousness.
Reido2828 2 years ago
Actually, if all matter is concious to some extent, then a "Cosmic Mind" wouldn't be required to design early macromolecules. They could have designed themselves over time and in competition with other configurations.
inrtwd 2 years ago
If matter can arise out of conciousness then perhaps a Cosmic Mind was able to mentally design the macromolecules that allowed evolution to occur. They couldn't have arisen by chance. The odds against were too astronomical.
inrtwd 2 years ago
Perhaps all matter is concious to a certain extent, and the more complex the organization of the matter, the higher the level of conciousness.
inrtwd 2 years ago
I can't hear anything
bugninja80 2 years ago
your wrong, keep it that way, it'll only make you sad to know the truth.
papervampire 2 years ago
video is way to quiet
THEREALghostlaced 2 years ago
damianpoirier rated a video:
This psycho is the one who did a hit and run 1 star on your video.
This is it:damianpoirier
Age: 51
I am mostly the multicellular colony complex called Damian. My colony is host to a couple kilos of symbiotic and predator bacteria and an unknown number of other parasites/
I wonder what psyche drugs it's on?
StarNautical1 2 years ago
This is your ordinary romanticised, wishful theory of consciousness created only to establish a pseudo-scientific justification for reincarnation. In accord with Occam's Razor, which explanation sounds most feasable? The one he just described, or that rudimentary consciousness emerge as a sense-organ comes into contact with the respective sense object in a biological organism with a sufficiently advanced nervous system?
kasuskasus 2 years ago
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ADULTFLASHGAMES 2 years ago
lorax you should meditate osho style
screenflicker1 3 years ago
Duality may simply be consciousness entertaining itself, I can't think of a interesting story that didn't have an obstacle to overcome, whether this was a villain, a monster, or a force of nature. In Yoga there are many different paths, one of them has you passionately indulge in every human virtue and every human vice- basically to play in the delusion, that the world is, with all your emotions at full intensity.
billybobhobnob101 3 years ago 2
When one experiences an OBE speculation ceases. We are not this body. Higher states can be achieved by meditating.
somebo222 3 years ago 5
@somebo222 By meditating, or by grace.
Isabels100day 1 year ago
@somebo222 what is obe?
iworkforme 1 year ago
@iworkforme Out of body experience. I've had it only once in full consciousness. I flew across the space and met a figure in total emptiness (it was pitch black). I was loved. You cannot fathom how much I felt love. Unfortunately my meditations have only granted me ecstatic states, not spontaneous out of body experiences. But others tell it is possible. I believe them. These are, of course, stories before you have your own fly in the heights.
somebo222 1 year ago
spontaneous generation is a hypothesis, by scientific consensus, is not true. spontaneous generation IS NOT abiogenesis. there is a lot of scientific evidence in support of the theory of abiogenesis.
i like all of your other vids, but this one offends me.
rlvowell 3 years ago
i made a typo. the first sentence should be:
"spontaneous generation is a hypothesis that, by scientific consensus, is not true."
rlvowell 3 years ago
are you sure that there is something that "arises" or is that a concept the human mind projects because itself has a beginning and an end? And-- what is matter? There is only mind, alreaddy always having created this
alteringenting 3 years ago
Welcome to the Twilight Zone Captain kirk. But on a serious note. My conceptiong of the whole ordeal is that without a faith based knowledge in a Higher Power, whom I call Jesus, one cannot fully understand his complete and full physical existence nor purpose. In a laymen's terms. We are not meant to understand some realms. But with faith, we can be at ease and not beat our brains out trying to comprehend every little detail. Keep it Simple, and the rest will come.
garydonpowell 3 years ago
I've always been very curious about consciousness. When I was a little boy, I once questioned my father, "Dad, why where we given eyes?" He replied, "Because the stars wanted to see themselves."
I firmly believe that there is one consciousness, but it can take many different forms; you or I, a cat or a dog, whatever, but ultimately, it is the universe looking back on itself.
"you are not in the World, the World is in you" Deepak Chopra
HigherPlanes 3 years ago
yup. There's nothing "out there". Just electrical impulses that are decoded by your brain. Even your own body. Trippy.
kensho3 2 years ago
Matter does in fact arise out of consciousness, folks. Just look around you. We live in a society birthed from consciousness. Skyscrapers, automobiles, flying machines, all of it.
HigherPlanes 3 years ago 5
@HigherPlanes
With the greatest respect - that's just matter *shaped* by consciousness not *created* by it.
MakinMagicFractals 1 year ago
on that last part, wouldnt it still be selfish if it was only to inflate your ego, knowing that you helped someone else without chance of being repayed?
89bavaro89 3 years ago
89bavaro: The idea that everything we do is selfish is one perspective. Another perspective is that everything we do is toward a purpose higher than ourselves even if we try our hardest not to do that. We are separate parts of a greater whole. Both are true. The separateness and the wholeness.
ghalgaryth 2 years ago
The software, whether it is loaded from disk or remotely, is still resident in memory and executes on the CPU on the laptop. Show some scientific evidence that that brain are antennas 'picking' up conciousness rather than a mechanism producing it.
RealityEngines 3 years ago
The sound is bad.
meloearth 3 years ago
Yes the sound is a little weak.
garydonpowell 3 years ago
how about a video on esp and its relationship to mind field theory and consciousness
aurajenn 3 years ago
by the way.. i have heard many spritual leaders saying that the world is an illusion. I couldn't really understand that, but this vid helps me understand it better, thanks!
2007renovatio 3 years ago
cool, this is kinda of like the law of attraction. the more i think about it the more it seems to work/make sense
2007renovatio 3 years ago
Yes, the feedback loop. It explains so much to me, I don't feel so bad about being such a hermit now. Lovely video :)
plumevine 3 years ago
LOLdualism--
Ur doing it wrong.
anthonzi 3 years ago
If all matter was once a singularity then maybe sentience evolved as a way for the universe to know itself, to understand the tearing apart of the highest state of consciousness, all things literally as one?
Bocbo 3 years ago
It's important to consider that reality doesn't CARE what we believe. Reality is always apparent in this moment. I do, however, enjoy intellectual gymnastics as much as the next guy. I think Adi Da (R.I.P.) says it best in one of his videos; "There is no Creator/Created" relationship. Everything IS the Creator. That viewpoint is the final crushing of the dualistic modality. Consciousness conscious of itself. What else is there? Consciousness is infinite potential. Love you, Lorax.
kensho3 3 years ago
I've watched a few of your videos and I feel like your reading my brain.
dan888888882001 3 years ago
I need to update my dictionary!
garydonpowell 3 years ago
I know it sounds odd to many people but grammatically phenomena as singular is accepted alternate usage - google: "merriam-webster phenomenas"
lorax2013 3 years ago
GREAT VIDS BY THE WAY...Would it be to much to ask of you to do a vid on the "Life and Death" of a Fiat currency. Kind of A metaphor - Mans life cycle and that of a fiat currency.Many times have the fiat scam be pulled, lived and then imploded. Just wondering if you could run that alongside of a mans life and compare the two. Supply some facts such as starting points, maturation and collapse. The main point would be that all Fiats have a life cycle. So where are we at in the $ life cycle, dead?
greg08840 3 years ago
I always look forward to your videos, excellent as always. I have one suggestion, slow down a little bit, I had to rewind often because you were speaking so fast.
I have to disagree with your comment at the end. I don't think you can claim an action to be selfless, because even if you claim an action to not have any benefit to yourself directly, you're going to feel better about yourself for making the "selfless" act which actually makes it a non-selfless act.
lavis88 3 years ago
And the "non-selfless" act simply proves the point.
plumevine 3 years ago
First there was the word (conciousness perhaps?) and the word was God, and the word was of God, (creation). An ancient way of stateing that the universe is the product of thought.
ehswan 3 years ago
To use market terminology, enlightenment is overbought in our culture whereas awareness mobility is oversold. Think about it, who is more enlightened? Some guru that is stuck in a void state without any self or some average Joe on the street corner that mistakenly identifies with his body? Well neither really. The answer is the third guy: the guy that has total awareness mobility and can move in and out of any state he desires at will.
klonephun 3 years ago
You want to get to the stage where you can break down those boundaries at will, without entheogens. In other words, you want to get to the stage where your thought processes operate like you are on psychedelics as a natural state. Of course you can design them this way.
klonephun 3 years ago
This sounds to me like seventeenth century philosophy. It was clear already then to both Spinoza and Leibniz that reductive explanations do not hold. So what's new about this? A good advice - drop metaphysics! It's beyond human comprehension anyway. But consciousness is, in contrast to popular belief, certainly more fundamental to us than materia, which is just something derived.
ZeketheSwede 3 years ago
Sounds like Hofstadter's "I Am A Strange Loop"
STalvacchia 3 years ago
I believe the unified field theory will soon reveal that which is known and has been known for centuries by truly enlightened and/or transcended beings, which is that there is no fundamental particle, but rather a fundamental principle reflecting the pattern of creation. It will be revealed that we are, in a sense, the creators of the creator like the cells of a body. We are individual and yet we collectively form the very consciousness that makes possible our existence.
tubeboy8 3 years ago
When we contemplate that our experience is, at best, a grossly distorted version of truth, then we start to see how futile it is to attempt to arrive at truth using tools of deception (our senses). It's like a physicist in the matrix trying to discover the nature of reality by looking through his matrix generated microscope. Anything he finds is ultimately part of the deception. The only real truth he would ever be able to arrive at is that "he is". This is why truth resides within.
tubeboy8 3 years ago
I got an email that you had replied to my comment saying that you would delete comments that were "just sniping" but I see that my comment is still there but your reply is not.
I'm not sure what happened, buy I still contend that most of this video is nonsense. However, since you did ask me to elaborate and my initial comment was devoid of argument, I shall oblige.
But since I'm tired right now, expect my comments or a video in the next few days.
CousinoMacul 3 years ago
What about the idea that all human consciousness is a side effect of the evolution of the human weapon the brain. Humans think they are the center of the universe and they change what they feel and see to fit that view. If we try to achive a higher state or a transended state causes a duality because we a here and we want to go there to achive our goal which causes conflict and we can never reach the state unless the ego fades way for a few moments if we are lucky.
nsprphg 3 years ago
"Phenomena" can be singular? Not in my dictionary. Anyway, it sounds ignorant and is a particular pet peeve. No offense was intended, though. Consciousness exists within us and without us -- I'm pretty sure about that. No need to get your bloomers in a bunch about it, though. I think you're a really smart guy, and I like your book, but this video does seem a little woo-woo-ish and desperate. Like maybe you've been having ethneogenic (?) revelations. Just breathe, dude.
zufelt2 3 years ago
like always lorax your videos are impressive. thank you!!!
Nei57 3 years ago
All images are created in the back of the brain. It is consciousness that created matter. We are the universe becoming conscious of itself. The illusion of matter is the universe's first attempt to create a tangible world.
NoJusticeInThisWorld 3 years ago
very interesting perspective!! u gave me something to think.
Nei57 3 years ago
NojusticeInThisWorld, You're 100% correct that "all images are created in the back of the brain. It is consciousness that created matter", but the deeper questions that obviously follow are "What is the brain you speak of? - where did it originate? - and what is it made of?"
The brain that creates the images in our consciousness must also have been created by that very consciousness... hence the fractal nature of reality.
Like cells of a body, we are the creators of the creator.
tubeboy8 3 years ago
This would seem to be the study of perception which, IMO is fundamentally rooted in the study of awareness of one's own existence, or, quite simplyconsciousness.
tubeboy8 3 years ago
or, quite simply, consciousness.
(not sure how that typo happened)
tubeboy8 3 years ago
It seems to me that Heisenberg was on the money in his general assessment of a science built around probability, in that he came to acknowledge quantum mechanics as the study of mathematics that didnt so much represent the behavior of particles but rather our knowledge of this behavior. So, in a sense, QM doesnt really attempt to explain subatomic behavioral processes, but rather our "knowing about" their behaviors.
tubeboy8 3 years ago
1.This is all based upon the premise that we "evolved". Most of us have seen "The Secret" and I personally don't reconcile myself to the idea of the feedback loop mechanism to which you are referring, not to say that it doesn't exist, rather I tend to think that we exist outside of the time/space continuum while also existing within it and that we already know what is going to happen within the dimension of time, which is why some experience "higher" consciousness, cause they are tapping into
MonicaLewandowski 3 years ago
2. the part of them which exists outside of time. (To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, well, God exists outside of time, and we will one day die, therefore, that day has happened outside of time and we are already present with God, while at the same time, we are stuck in this dimension and subject to the effects of time.) This is what I think deja-vu is, it is our spirit in the time space continuum recognizing what it already knows inherently. We tap into our spirits.
MonicaLewandowski 3 years ago
3. Not to mention that scripture does say God "spoke" the universe into existence, and everything is composed of frequency. Matter is frequency, I know that frequency affects our consciousness, and I don't completely understand whether that is because frequency is consciousness or rather, that consciousness is subject to frequency and resonance. All I know is that when exposed to specific frequencies, their is either resonance or the latter, and often times, a certain frequency will cause the
MonicaLewandowski 3 years ago
4. Surrounding matter to either conform to that frequency, or to disassociate, if exposed for prolonged periods of time, a person will at the cellular level change according to the frequencies which surrounds them, or they will simply have to leave because it doesn't resonate with them. See, I don't believe in evolution or higher consciousness, but I believe in spirit and as the source of all things, and while I don't understand it all as my current mind is limited by it's physical nature,
MonicaLewandowski 3 years ago
5.I understand that the wisdom of the world is foolishness in the sight of God. You are right about one thing, and that is duality. It is in serving others that we are able to be at our highest potential. While I don't think it eliminates suffering, it at the least is a good distraction from ourselves.
MonicaLewandowski 3 years ago
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Don't shout rhetoric.. prove what you are saying. You won't, because what you are saying is total bullshit.
XxTrailofDeadxX 3 years ago
I always hear "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" to me the most extraordinary claim is that consciousness and emotion arise from inanimate matter. This video gave some proof from my end, I haven't heard any proof for the purely mechanistic extraordinary claims. People also claim that it is just rhetoric or belief to say consciousness is an entity unto itself, however they don't realize that to claim the opposite is even more faith based according to science.
lorax2013 3 years ago
Are you familiar with Danniel Dennett's take on consciousness and free will? He is a compatibilist determinist and a materialist.
There is a good video on you tube where he uses the analogy of magic tricks and in particular the indian rope trick. I'll try to find it.
BipedalHumanoid 3 years ago
I can't find the video. But if you google "EXPLAINING THE MAGIC OF CONSCIOUSNESS"
you'll find Dennett's Article on the topic which was published in the Journal of Cultural and Evolutionary Psychology.
BipedalHumanoid 3 years ago
I read the article, though not in enough detail to comment on every aspect. To me, it seems Dennett is simply doing what I'd call muddying the water (he'd make a great ecomomist). Dennet is IMO just diverting attention to often irrelevant side issues rather than admitting - as straightforward scientists will - that certain aspects of consciousness are not currently explainable.
lorax2013 3 years ago
A straightforward scientist making that honest admission doesn't prove mechanism wrong, is just admits the explanation is currently beyond us. Dennet doesn't seem willing to admit this, however, and also doesn't provide much proof from his side other than a deja vu explanation. His paper IMO mainly consists of implications that non-mechanists are using one of two magic tricks to delude people - but he doesn't give specific examples. Maybe I missed somethng tho, can you distill a strong point(s)?
lorax2013 3 years ago
I haven't read the article but I have seen a lecture he gave on the topic (the video I was trying to find). From the lecture I got the impression that he was presenting option C rather than merely suggesting it was necessarily the case. That is consciousness may not be reducible in the same way a magic trick is not reducible. We're all looking in the wrong place just like we are when we're tricked by magicians.
BipedalHumanoid 3 years ago
The same can be said for the content of this entire video. There is no proof for any of it. And that is your opinion XX Trail, you may agree to disagree, I thought we were supposed to talk about the topic at hand anyways, what do you think about what Loren said? Give us your two cents.
MonicaLewandowski 3 years ago
XxTrailofDeadxX, by proof I assume you mean the presentation of facts that are perceptible by our limited sensory apparatus.
Most existing phenomena is never even available to us, thus rendering the concept of proof to that of almost pure metaphor. Many of the views conveyed in this video happen to be shared by some of the most brilliant minds that ever lived, so placing these views in the total bullshit category reveals nothing about the views themselves but rather everything about you.
tubeboy8 3 years ago