The sketch "proportions of the face and eye" done by Leonardo Da Vinci, previously mentioned, is a geometric pattern. Wherever you align the V that appears between the eyes on the sketch you will be able to find the rest of the face. Wherever you find this face, you will find the Shroud face. Wherever you find the Shroud face you will find the Shroud body. All these images combined will align to the Lenin Codex. The Lenin Codex is the star of David. Jehovah is God. Jesus Christ is Jehovah.
National Geographic 100 Scientific discoveries that changed the world - current issue page 82. Picture of an electron cloud. Description of picture "A modern representation of a cloud of electrons around a helium atom". The image on the Shroud of Turin fits on this. And also the 4 hebrew letters making the name of God, Jehovah fit on the picture.
@Leonardakers You really do believe this stuff, don't you? I notice you explain none of it. Ok. An electron is a particle that displays wave like characteristics. Because of this, we can never predict where in the orbital an electron is likely to be, because we do not know its direction. So we cannot get an image.
If you want to be taken seriously, please explain how the image of Jesus fits on the electron cloud of a helium atom, when the cloud image can never be determined?
The Tycho supernova is the model used to research the motion of energy. The image of God, Jesus Christ, on the Shroud of Turin may be analyzed using the Tycho supernova model.
The Rocky mountains (east of Denver) will conform to the shape of the Shroud of Turin. The body of the Shroud makes the face of the Shroud. Both of these images can be located here. God's name in hebrew can also be located here.
The proportions of the Shroud of Turin geometrically align to the sketch of the face "proportions of the face & eye" done by Leonardo Da Vinci. Michaelangelo's signature will also align to the same sketch of the face. The face on the Shroud of Turin also aligns to the the previously mentioned simulated computer image of the expanding supernvoa. One second after expanding, God's face was there
@Leonardakers Oh, you mean the man made simulated image done by scientists and then doctered to look like a face, so that people like you can use science to try to convince the less educated amongst us that it must be God, in the pathetic and vain attempt to hope that they will believe you because your religious methods no longer work on a world that is more educated than you give it credit for. You obviously think the masses are stupid. If not, explain "God's face was there" in a simulation.
@Leonardakers Reality? Is that what you call it? The Shroud is 14.3ft x 3.7ft; that makes it a rectangle by everyone else's definition. Now, I don't know about you, but Israel isn't shaped like a rectangle last time I checked. It's all moot anyway. Faith answers a lot of questions if you don't question the answers. To even start to debate the authenticity of the Shroud, you must first determine that Jesus actually existed, never mind about being the son of God. Claims are not fact.
This video is an entirely moot point since it makes an assumption about something that cannot be proved to exist. It serves only to increase one's pre-existing faith. If God were real, then he erred by creating a defective planet that he did not foresee would continuously kill his innocent creations time and again, and now can’t fix it. So he is neither omniscient or omnipotent but is a flawed and imperfect designer/creator.
Religion keeps us still, but facts move us forward.
The amount of VUV radiation required to instantly color the surface of the Shroud would have required 34 thousand billion watts. Currently the most powerful VUV available on the market is only several billion watts - say the ENEA scientists
The fact is, no-one has ever been able to prove that the Shroud is the burial cloth of Jesus, and, since the burden of proof is firmly placed upon those that make the claim, it is not science' responsibility to dispute, one way or the other, the validity of those claims. If you have proof, then please present it now. If not, don't take science' inability to prove it's fake, as proof that it's genuine.
You cannot support one claim by rejection of another.
@myelectroncloud My point is: wake up and smell the coffee. According to scientists , (not me) after exaustive testing -there is no current earthly explanation as to how the Shroud was formed other that a sudden burst of tremendous radiation. I believe God left us a record of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This is tremendous if you believe in Jesus Christ.
@1ziggymop Yes. If you believe in Jesus. Any decision as to the shroud's authenticity will be left to the conscience of individuals. It doesn't mean "oh, it must be Jesus." There seems little doubt that the image is of a bearded man with nail wounds to his hands and feet and puncture marks around his head, but that's not nearly enough to conclude it was Jesus. The Vatican has never said it believes the Shroud to be authentic, only that it serves as a reminder of Christ. (cont.)
@myelectroncloud I never said EVERYONE will believe that the shroud is the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, why would you believe in a miracle like the shroud anyway? Because that is what it is. The vatican is apparently starting to change it's position (after having sat on the fence) regarding the shroud. The official vatican newspaper has said that the shroud is "impossible to falsify".
@1ziggymop I wasn't implying that everyone would believe it, and I don't believe it is. To call it a miracle is just as spurious as saying Jesus is God. Miracles are an entirely moot point since there's no evidence of God. The Shroud might well be impossible to falsify, but that doesn't conclude it is THE Shroud. No-one doubts it is a shroud, but proving it covered Jesus is equally impossible.
I'd like to discuss this in more depth, as it involves beliefs on a much wider scale.
Scientists at the Natl Agency for New Technologies, Energy & Sustainable Economic Development (ENEA) after studying the Shroud of Turin for 5 years, recently announced that they believe the Shroud was created by some type of electromagnetic energy such as a flash of light at short wavelength, something similar to ultraviolet lasers. The ability to reproduce this image is not currently available, according to these scientists
@1ziggymop Like the Shroud, you either believe in carbon dating, or you don't. Either the Shroud is a fake and carbon dating is an accurate measuring instrument, or, the Shroud is genuine and carbon dating is not an accurate measuring instrument. Considering science has a method of time measurement in the tangible world, what form of measurment would you suggest religion uses outside of faith?
Most of what we know of the ancient world comes from carbon dating; the rest is faith.
@myelectroncloud Carbon dating was flawed. They dated a piece of cloth from the edge of the Shroud that had been repaired sometime in the middle ages. Sample showed vanillin, Shroud image has no vanillin on it. Sample showed cotton mixed in with fibers. Shroud image has no cotton on it. Sample showed signs of repair (invisible weaving) main body of Shroud shows no repair done to it. Sample was not part of original Shroud
@1ziggymop (cont.) They're keeping an open mind, as should you. Semantics. The only thing this new discovery will achieve, is to deepen the mystery. The religious will waste no time accepting it is genuine, but science is a long, long way from admitting the supernatural, or devine intervention, simply because that in turn, requires explanation.
I openly admit to getting it wrong with the carbon 14 test, but I, unlike theists, who are always right about their faith, learn by mistakes.
As with Bethel, Israel, God's name (Jehovah, spelled in Hebrew) can be seen forming the shape of the Rocky mountains between Denver Colorado and Salt Lake City Utah. The Shroud of Turin will also conform to the shape of the Rocky mountains between Denver and Salt Lake City.
@Leonardakers I don't suppose it ever occurred to you to actually question the content of the "seeingimagesofgod blogspot?" No, didn't think so. Trying to convince people that certain things "look like God," simply by drawing lines on a doctored image, is the weakest form of coersion, mainly because you can't explain any of it. I'm not surprised, only the naive can see God.
A blogspot's popularity is indicative of its members, or in this case, the lack of them.
@myelectroncloud The face is a sketch that Leonardo Di Vinci called the perfectly proportioned face. The proportions of this face are a geometric pattern and align perfectly with the proportions of the photograph of the computerized image of a supernova expanding that was published in Discover magazine in 2010. This computerized image of the supernova was taken at Sandia Labs.
@myelectroncloud The photograph (referred to previously) of the computerized image of the supernova expanding taken at Sandia Labs, was taken the instant the proportions of the computerized image matched the proportions of the face
@myelectroncloud The sketch of the face that fits on the supernova explosion is called "proportions of the face & eye" done by Leonardo Da Vinci. I copied this on clear plastic on a copy machine from a book about Leonard Da Vinci and placed it on top of the photograph of the supernova computer image. The computer image has not been doctored by me & the sketch of the face has not been doctored by me. Both images fit together.
@Leonardakers What ever sketches done over the image of the supernova are irrelevant. The point I'm making, is that the image itself, the supernova, is exactly the same both left and right. It is mirrored. The only conclusion one can come to, is that someone has taken the original image and seperated it in order to make a face. It is a deliberate attempt to falsify an image for the benefit of the theist. Take another look at it and you'll see what I mean.
@myelectroncloud This is an image of an exploding supernova, created on a supercomputer by a scientist of astrophysics. It shows the spreading of the plasma 1 second after the supernova explosion. They ARE capable of doing these types of simulations you know.
@1ziggymop Is it me, or is this an alternate reality? It doesn't matter how it was created, that's not the point I'm making. The original simulation has been doctored. It has been deliberately created to look like a face, in a pathetic and somewhat vain attempt to confuse those that have little knowledge of the universe. Does the website concerned have to stoop so low as to fabricate cosmological images in order to get their point across? Clearly, there is no natural evidence.
@myelectroncloud dont know where leonadakers is, but I looked (again) at his comment. He said he put a copy of Leonardo DaVinci's drawing of a face (of a man) over the picture of a simulation of an exploding supernova. Purpose: to show how they happen to match. Nowhere does he say the face is a supernova or whatever stupidity you are trying to conjure up. This supernova image can be found at Discovery gallery. It is IDENTICAL to the one he is referring to. That means he did not mess with it ok?
@1ziggymop You know, you look at my comments, but you don't really see them. Dear oh dear. I'm not talking about Da Vinci's picture, I'm talking about a picture of the simulated supernova. That's the picture that has been falsified. Nothing in nature, whether your God did it or not, appears exactly the same on both sides, as this picture clealy does. Overlaying this picture with a Da Vinci drawing merely increases the falsification. Any attribute to God does not exist here.
@myelectroncloud The simulated supernova shows the shock wave 1 second after explosion (a symmetrical explosion). If you would look at a video of a simulated explosion you would see how it works.
Stop trying to discredit everyone who makes a comment in favor of God.
@1ziggymop "Stop trying to discredit everyone who makes a comment in favor of God."
I don't need to. The very essence of your comments proves you are doing this all on your own. All I'm doing is correcting those that read what you post.
The earth went from a fluid to a solid state instantaneously. THat is why Israel is shaped like the Shroud of Turin. The compression of energy forms the shape of the letters of God's name in Hebrew. Wherever you find these letters, you will find the image of the Shroud. THat's why Bethel Israel is shaped like God's name in Hebrew.
@Leonardakers "The earth went from a fluid to a solid state instantaneously."
That's impossible, and you know it. Please define "instantaneously."
It took 200 million years for the earth to cool down sufficiently for a crust to form on its surface. However, it's still cooling down; 84% of it is still liquid. Volcanic images aren't fake, you know?
Just because you don't know what you're talking about doesn't mean you should feed people misinformation. I'll be here to correct you.
@myelectroncloud All I am trying to do is educate someone. If they don't want to believe the information that's up to them. You are making a dark world even darker and should be ashamed. I have been researching this for 27 years so don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about - If any one is trying to mislead people, it is you. Time will tell who is full of shit. And it ain't me! I do not doctor anything, I speak the truth. Jesus Christ is Lord God Almighty
@Leonardakers "All I am trying to do is educate someone."
By what measure is this education? Educating someone by using your own biased opinion and not informing them of the obvious alternative, is not education; it's indoctrination. More so when you have nothing but faith to support it. I've been researching no God for 32 years, and I can tell you, you don't know what you're talking about. ie: Carbon dating puts the Shroud at circa 1300, too new for Jesus. What do you have? Faith.
How on earth did you deduce that? You are saying that the Shroud is a geometric shape, with each and every part of it statistically the same as the whole. In other words, take a fibre, and all of the image on the whole Shroud is also on the fibre. Any part of the Shroud repeats itself endlessly.
Now, are you sure? Because the worlds greatest scientists would be very interested in your discovery. Not to mention the Vatican.
@myelectroncloud Each dot on the shroud is an entire image of the face. 3 entire Shrouds placed side by side will create 1 face. The image will repeat itself to infinity. Smaller images will combine to form a larger image of the same face. If you did understand this, would you even want to know?
@Leonardakers you just cleared my doubt, if it is a fractal i was looking for a pattern, and now you've explained it. I thought the pattern would be in the form of an equation, thats why i asked for one
@rayarulz512 Imagine you are looking at your hand through a stationary bicycle wheel, you see your hand clearly, only obstructed by 3 or 4 spokes. Now, if you spin the wheel very fast, the image of your hand is obscured by ALL the spokes. Your hand does not appear as clearly as before, it's cloudy. It's the same with electrons. They are moving so fast, they form a cloud around the nucleus of an atom that you cannot see through. An electron cloud.
@rayarulz512 Alternatively, imagine a ping pong ball, and its surface is the electron cloud. Electrons in the valence shell of an atom are said to be orbiting (orbital) the nucleus so fast, that a single electron can be in any one of 6 billion locations per second about its sphere of mobility. In other words, the surface of the ping pong ball looks like a cloud, but its actually, in many cases, just a single electron on its orbital journey.
The magnetic field of earth's moon conforms to the image of the Shroud of Turin. The body makes the face, the face of Jesus Christ, Lord God Almighty. This will be confirmed by the probes currently mapping the moon. The shape will also conform to the hebrew letters of God's name, Jehovah
@Leonardakers Oh dear. Hear we go again. New year, but nothing new on the religious front. The Moon doesn't have a magnetic field. So no image there, then. The probes of which you speak, the Grail (Gravity Recovery And Interior Laboratory) probes, there are two, map the uneven lunar gravity field to better understand its interior. In turn, this will help us to better understand the earth's origins. One would doubt they would confirm Jesus had anything to do with it-how would they look for Jesus?
@Leonardakers No, it doesn't. A planet or moon must have a molten metal core, usually iron, and be rotating fast enough to produce an EM field. The Moon does not. It is a cold, dead rock. It has localised pockets of magnetism that are detectable from various places on its surface, most likely produced from its formation, but they are not part of an EM field.
This is the point where you'll insist these pockets spell out the name of God. I just wonder how you come up with it all.
The May 2009 Discover magazine, page 32, shows a photograph taken by scientists of the gases swirling around an atom. The cloud produced by the charged particles indicates the torque that the energy is creating. This is the same torque creating the image on the Shroud of Turin. Put the face of the Shroud next to the picture of the atom and see for yourself. THis is also the same shape as the black hole at the center of the milky way galaxy.
@Leonardakers It's official! You know nothing about atomic physics. Why am I not surprised? Charged gases, in this case, plasma, cannot, and do not swirl around an atom. Gases are atoms, and the atom of which you speak would be part of the gas. Clouds (atoms) are not produced by charged particles, that's indicative of atom creation, and they cannot be created in this way. A charged particle is an atom waiting to emit its energy. Much like a common battery.
@myelectroncloud Oh sure, like YOU have never made any mistakes with some of your remarks (yeh, right) - maybe he MEANT cloud swirling around the atom, instead of gases. Electrons form clouds around their nuclei. They spread out in waves. Definition of cloud: an aggregate of charged particles (as electrons). Definition of plasma (gas): electrically charged particles.
"Definition of cloud: an aggregate of charged particles (as electrons)."
Clearly, you don't know what an electron cloud is.
I'm not called "myelectroncloud" for nothing. If you'd care to debate atomic and molecular physics, I'd be more than happy to oblige. Would that be enough process of thought for you?
@myelectroncloud Electrons form clouds around the nuclei (of their atoms). Atomic orbital describes the wave-like behavior of 1 or 2 electrons. Electron cloud - a wave surrounding the nucleus like a cloud. Quantum mechanics.
NO THEY DON'T! It has taken you two days to search the internet for an answer, and you come up with the first line from Wikipedia! Stop trying to score points! Electrons DO NOT form clouds. An electron cloud IS NOT a wave. DON'T copy "wave-like behaviour" when you don't know what it means. It's taken me two years of study to get this far, so don't think your clever to make an argument after two days.
@myelectroncloud Sorry, but I DO have other things to do. You are not the center of the universe you know. As far as I am concerned, this subject is closed. Believe what you will.
Isaiah 8:21 "And they shall pass through it; hardly bestead and hungry; and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry; they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward"
Isaiah 8:22 "And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness; dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness"
Isaiah 8:19 " And when they shall say unto you, seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep; and that mutter, should not a people seek unto their God"? for the living to the dead?
Isaiah 8:20 "To the law and to the testimony if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them"
@ziggymop1 Hmm. I cannot dismiss something that doesn't exist, so that's a moot point. I can, however, and do, dismiss your claims. Given that you should attribute God to all things that cannot be explained with "logic and reasoning." It would be logical to attribute it to God if you knew how he did it. Oh, but it's not our place to know, or question how he did it. God did it; because he just did. Perfect reasoning.
@myelectroncloud To me, it is not logical to believe that life spontaneously appeared in a pool of mud. Or, that we are descendents from reptiles who later became mammals who later became chimps (our supposed ancestors), but now we might be more closely related to orangutans. If we knew how God did anything, we would then BE like God. Which is what men are trying to do right now (be their own god). This will fail miserably of course.
@1ziggymop "To me, it is not logical to believe that life spontaneously appeared in a pool of mud."
But it's logical to believe that life spontaneously appeared by the word of a being that cannot be proved to exist?
"we might be more closely related to orangutans. If we knew how God did anything, we would then BE like God."
That's right, let science do all the work and then take credit for it by saying God created evolution. You people jump on the band wagon of all discoveries.
Well, I was just kidding about Christians inventing the word. However, the term Pagan isn't specific to polytheistic religions. Still, that doesn't change the fact that key components in the Bible are strikingly similar to those from earlier religions. I suppose, since laws of physics don't apply in the Biblical world, that Satan travelled through time and created these religions in order to sway our beliefs.
@crescendo2020 most similarities have been proved false. Physics does apply to the bible. Physics is natural science, dealing with laws of nature in the physical world. Evidence for historical places in the bible are being discovered, proving the bible is not based on myths. If people were worshipping wooden idols instead of God, then I guess you could blame satan for that
@Leonardakers Why trumpets particularly? Why not harps, or a pair of maracas? Or is it that a trumpet is the only instrument an angel can play? lol. I won't hold my breath for his return; it's been 2,011 years and there's no evidence of him getting here quite yet.
@1ziggymop Pa, pa pa pa! "Hey everyone, I'm back!" If you say so ,Ziggy.
I wonder, if there are other habitable planets in the universe-the law of averages would dictate there is-that they also know of Jesus, and that he was crucified on earth? Are they also waiting for him to return? Perhaps they don't have trumpets. Or perhaps your thought process doesn't extend to that line of reasoning.
Of course they do! They're religious! Haven't you worked that out, yet? What you meant to say was, ONLY religious people see God.
"Pagans and satanist are also religions."
Indeed they are, and all as spurious as one another. I do notice, however, that your religion states there is only one true God, thereby disputing all the others. Yet you manage to find time for a rebuttle of my dispute that there are ANY gods.
Substance, like believing something just for the sake of doing it? If that's how you classify substance, then no, there is no substance to our arguments. However, there is plenty of logic, and evidentiary reasoning.
That gives us the benefit of adaptable beliefs. You on the other hand will always believe what you believe, regardless of new findings, and advances in knowledge.
I would do the same exact thing with Satanists, Satanists are retarded. Pagan is a term that Christians invented for religions that they stole their ideas from. Giving God the credit for something doesn't, and will never, qualify as evidence or proof of said thing's origins.
Being a bible scholar has nothing to do with being a righteous person. God reads your heart, not your mind. The negative photograph of Jesus Christ's face on the Shroud of Turin is on the Last Judgement painting by Michaelangelo. This painting is 45 ft high and 40 ft wide. The 2 almond shapes at the top of the painting are the eyes of the face ( Shroud). How is it possible that a negative photograph fits on a painting done over 300 years prior to the photo being made
Well, three hundred years went by. Three hundred years, billions of people, and trillions (Probably more than trillions) of events. It's actually very likely that such a coincidence occur in that time frame with that many opportunities, and variables. When considering the universe, and finding similarities to galaxy formations and space dust, etc., it's likely impossible for such a coincidence not to arise. I bet you can find wieners in galaxies too. Is that significant?
@Leonardakers Obviously you've never considered the very real probability of coincidence. When the twin towers collapsed, most of the world was watching, and yet, only 3000 people said they saw the face of the devil in the smoke and dust. With a little imagination, you can make up any image you like. Religious people will see God wherever they look.
Third richest person in the world pledged to donate 99% of his wealth to charity.-Warren Buffett is good WITHOUT God.
Second richest person in the world has donated over $26 billion to charity.-Bill Gates is good WITHOUT God.
The wealthiest Evangellical Christian in the world has donated almost nothing to charity in his entire career.-Pat Robertson is hypocritical WITH God.
@ziggymop1 "What is your evidence that God does not exist."
Now we've been down this road before, haven't we ziggy? So, for the benefit of crescendo; I'll repeat: How does one prove something does not exist, if it isn't there to prove otherwise? It is you who claims he's real, so the burden of proof lies with you. Your claim is based solely on the lack of evidence to prove that he's not real. In effect, relying on the rejection of one claim to support another. Without evidence.
@ziggymop1 I wasn't being general. I was specifying portions of the Bible that are contrary to what humans have learned since then. Scientists know very clearly, and closely as to the age of the Earth. They used a crazy system of observation, tests, and the ability to adapt when new evidence is found, which clearly doesn't make any sense at all, right? It's just as logical to attempt to prove that God doesn't exist, as it is to prove that Superman doesn't exist.
4. direct opposition between things compared; inconsistency. Let's start here, and in comparison to all current knowledge.
Immaculate conception. Life spans of everyone in Genesis. The length of the world's, and human's existence. The source of the world's, and human's existence. Pretty much everything that the Bible describes Jesus doing.
The scorch marks on the Shroud of Turin, that have been patched, are individual faces. There are 8 of them. Each one of these areas will reproduce an entire shroud face & body. THis is an energy flow chart.
No, there's nothing contradictory about the term "God". There are plenty of contradictions in regard to the teachings of religion. (religion, as a general term. Religion, spirituality, etc.) It's almost only contradictions. So many, it's outrageous.
Yes, I do. That is, if I'm basing my thought from a Biblical perspective. According to the Bible, I'll suffer perfect pain for an eternity if I don't.
Am i the only one that everytime they whatch a video like this belives in God less and less? even with the relgious songs i do not see this as a creation of God i see this as they Universe and the luck that were here even thoe alien existence is probably extremely common But you no what, im in the military and my buddy said "Even if you fully dont belive in God it dosent hurt to, whats the worst that could happen" but i see no reason to i accept that once im dead, im dead even if its for america
Man, I enjoy putting the people that I love in catch-22 situations.
God according to man: "Do whatever you want, but if you don't do what I want you'll live forever dying in horrible agony. I could not do this, but the rules that I made up, won't allow it."
Me, to my Grandmother: "Go ahead, don't wash the dishes, it's your choice. If you don't though, I'm going to let my friend beat the shit out of you with a bat. Sorry, those are my rules."
@ziggymop1 I suppose at some point, you might actually READ my comment. I didn't say the nebula was destroyed, just the pillars.
Until you know the exact formation of stars, you WOULD call it a God creation. I suppose your arrogance prevents from seeing it as anything else. And before you spin that argument around, you'll of course be able to explain how God does it.
@ziggymop1 I suppose at some point, you might actually READ my comment. I didn't say the nebula was destroyed, just the pillars.
Until you know the exact formation of stars, you WOULD call it a God creation. I suppose your arrogance prevents from seeing it as anything else. And before you spin that argument around, you'll of course be able to explain how God does it.
@ziggymop1 I suppose at some point, you might actually READ my comment. I didn't say the nebula was destroyed, just the pillars.
Until you know the exact formation of stars, you WOULD call it a God creation. I suppose your arrogance prevents from seeing it as anything else. And before you spin that argument around, you'll of course be able to explain how God does it.
Science: We are all stardust; this is pretty common knowledge now. Well, for most of us, it is. Stars are made inside nebulae, from the very stuff that forms a nebula. Nebulae are formed from the gravitational collapse of gas (mainly hydrogen) in the interstellar medium. Others can be formed from star supernova. Our sun was formed from just such a process.
Religion: God did it; because he just did! Yep, makes perfect sense.^^
The muslims believe that for every problem that man faces God has provided a solution. It is up to man to find that solution and this is man's spiritual quest. The fool says in his heart there is no God. When a man decides in his heart there is no God, that's when he becomes a fool
The eagle nebula is an example of the process of creation. God is making everything in His image; the image on the Shroud of Turin, Jesus Christ, the only true God.
@Leonardakers So you that's how you interpret Mathew 24:30, is it? I hate to break this to you, but the pillars of creation, which were part of the eagle nubula, and show your so called image, were destroyed 6000 years ago by a supernova. His ticket was cancelled by his own creation, it would seem. lol. I think this confirms, irrefutably, that Jesus is dead.
The photographic negative image (taken in 1898) of the face of Jesus Christ, which appears on the Shroud of Turin, fits on Michaelangelo's painting of the Last Judgment, painted over 300 years prior to the photograph. How is that possible? (the painting is approx. 44 ft high)
@ziggymop1 One cannot make a truthful claim, since one is making a claim, not stating a fact. And as you know so well, the burden of proof lies with those that make the claim. Negative claims are just as spurious as positive ones; they're still claims, and is a moot point.
I am a Christian man who thinks that religion and science can somehow marry themselves, having said that our logic is not the same as God's and will never be. There is proof that God exists, you are seeing it in this video here.
@MrWipilipi "There is proof that God exists, you are seeing it in this video here."
The very fact that you can see a star, does not give you knowledge enough, by sight alone, to determine what created it. Perhaps you can show me a laboratory experiment that demonstrates how stars can be created by a being that cannot be proved to exist.
While you're at it, can you also explain, that if our logic is not the same as God's, how can you possibly know that, if you cannot determine God's logic?
@MrWipilipi "God did not make a mistake with man."
If God is perfect, then he must know everything. Which means he knows our destiny. Ergo, he knows the choices we make, before we make them. If we disobeyed him, he must have known about it in advance. If God gave us the ability to make a choice, only he can be responsible if we make the wrong one. If he then punishes us for these mistakes; he does not love us. The mistake is entirely of his own making.
Here, and in all our meditations upon the qualities and content of God, we pass beyond our power of fit conception, nor can human eloquence put forth a power commensurate with His greatness. At the contemplation and utterance of His majesty all eloquence is rightly dumb, all mental effort is feeble. For God is greater than mind itself. His greatness cannot be conceived. Nay, could we conceive of His greatness He would be less than the human mind which could form the conception
How mighty convenient it is to be unfathomable. I'll tell you what is absolutely fathomable, though. Evidence of any kind, that leads to knowledge of any kind.
He is greater than all language, and no statement can express Him. Indeed, if any statement could express Him, He would be less than human speech which could by such statement comprehend and gather up all that He is. All our thoughts about Him will be less than He, and our loftiest utterances will be trivialities in comparison with Him.
The image of the Shroud of Turin is on the Last Judgement painting at the vatican. It is in the Sistine chapel behind the altar and is a 2 story high painting.
@ziggymop1 Good Morning.. Adam and Eve did not make the bad choice. Eve was decieved just like many many people on earth. she made the bad decision.. Adam well.. he was just trying to please his wife.. As most husbands now know nothing about
The sketch "proportions of the face and eye" done by Leonardo Da Vinci, previously mentioned, is a geometric pattern. Wherever you align the V that appears between the eyes on the sketch you will be able to find the rest of the face. Wherever you find this face, you will find the Shroud face. Wherever you find the Shroud face you will find the Shroud body. All these images combined will align to the Lenin Codex. The Lenin Codex is the star of David. Jehovah is God. Jesus Christ is Jehovah.
Leonardakers 1 day ago
@Leonardakers "The sketch "proportions of the face and eye" done by Leonardo Da Vinci, is a geometric pattern." Well, yes. It's a face.
"Wherever you find this face, you will find the Shroud face." No you won't.
"All these images combined will align to the Lenin Codex." No they won't.
"The Lenin Codex is the star of David." You mean its got the Star of David on it.
And your point of all of this is what, exactly, then?
*yawn*
myelectroncloud 10 hours ago
National Geographic 100 Scientific discoveries that changed the world - current issue page 82. Picture of an electron cloud. Description of picture "A modern representation of a cloud of electrons around a helium atom". The image on the Shroud of Turin fits on this. And also the 4 hebrew letters making the name of God, Jehovah fit on the picture.
Leonardakers 3 days ago
@Leonardakers You really do believe this stuff, don't you? I notice you explain none of it. Ok. An electron is a particle that displays wave like characteristics. Because of this, we can never predict where in the orbital an electron is likely to be, because we do not know its direction. So we cannot get an image.
If you want to be taken seriously, please explain how the image of Jesus fits on the electron cloud of a helium atom, when the cloud image can never be determined?
myelectroncloud 2 days ago
The Tycho supernova is the model used to research the motion of energy. The image of God, Jesus Christ, on the Shroud of Turin may be analyzed using the Tycho supernova model.
Leonardakers 4 days ago
The Rocky mountains (east of Denver) will conform to the shape of the Shroud of Turin. The body of the Shroud makes the face of the Shroud. Both of these images can be located here. God's name in hebrew can also be located here.
Leonardakers 1 week ago
The proportions of the Shroud of Turin geometrically align to the sketch of the face "proportions of the face & eye" done by Leonardo Da Vinci. Michaelangelo's signature will also align to the same sketch of the face. The face on the Shroud of Turin also aligns to the the previously mentioned simulated computer image of the expanding supernvoa. One second after expanding, God's face was there
Leonardakers 1 week ago
@Leonardakers Oh, you mean the man made simulated image done by scientists and then doctered to look like a face, so that people like you can use science to try to convince the less educated amongst us that it must be God, in the pathetic and vain attempt to hope that they will believe you because your religious methods no longer work on a world that is more educated than you give it credit for. You obviously think the masses are stupid. If not, explain "God's face was there" in a simulation.
myelectroncloud 1 week ago
@myelectroncloud you dont want to face reality. The Shroud of Turin is shaped like Israel. Who manipulated that information?
Leonardakers 1 week ago
@Leonardakers Reality? Is that what you call it? The Shroud is 14.3ft x 3.7ft; that makes it a rectangle by everyone else's definition. Now, I don't know about you, but Israel isn't shaped like a rectangle last time I checked. It's all moot anyway. Faith answers a lot of questions if you don't question the answers. To even start to debate the authenticity of the Shroud, you must first determine that Jesus actually existed, never mind about being the son of God. Claims are not fact.
myelectroncloud 1 week ago
@myelectroncloud I am talking about the IMAGE on the shroud, not the shape of the cloth.
Leonardakers 5 days ago
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@Leonardakers "I am talking about the IMAGE on the shroud, not the shape of the cloth."
Ok. So Jesus face, which, of course, it might not be, is the same shape as Israel? Really? I don't think so.
myelectroncloud 2 days ago
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This video is an entirely moot point since it makes an assumption about something that cannot be proved to exist. It serves only to increase one's pre-existing faith. If God were real, then he erred by creating a defective planet that he did not foresee would continuously kill his innocent creations time and again, and now can’t fix it. So he is neither omniscient or omnipotent but is a flawed and imperfect designer/creator.
Religion keeps us still, but facts move us forward.
myelectroncloud 1 week ago
Humans with such SMALL FAITH..Let HIS will be done...to you ALL!
TheAngelrose10 2 weeks ago
oh GOD You are so Good..I will never be alone,by watching these creation of Your's..I will never be alone anymore 0:)
TheAngelrose10 2 weeks ago
@TheAngelrose10 "oh GOD You are so Good."
Then how do you justify religious extremism?
myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
Is it just me or do all these images in space look like a homosexual man's rectum?
cantunseethis 2 weeks ago
The amount of VUV radiation required to instantly color the surface of the Shroud would have required 34 thousand billion watts. Currently the most powerful VUV available on the market is only several billion watts - say the ENEA scientists
1ziggymop 3 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
@1ziggymop And your point is?
The fact is, no-one has ever been able to prove that the Shroud is the burial cloth of Jesus, and, since the burden of proof is firmly placed upon those that make the claim, it is not science' responsibility to dispute, one way or the other, the validity of those claims. If you have proof, then please present it now. If not, don't take science' inability to prove it's fake, as proof that it's genuine.
You cannot support one claim by rejection of another.
myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud My point is: wake up and smell the coffee. According to scientists , (not me) after exaustive testing -there is no current earthly explanation as to how the Shroud was formed other that a sudden burst of tremendous radiation. I believe God left us a record of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. This is tremendous if you believe in Jesus Christ.
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@1ziggymop Yes. If you believe in Jesus. Any decision as to the shroud's authenticity will be left to the conscience of individuals. It doesn't mean "oh, it must be Jesus." There seems little doubt that the image is of a bearded man with nail wounds to his hands and feet and puncture marks around his head, but that's not nearly enough to conclude it was Jesus. The Vatican has never said it believes the Shroud to be authentic, only that it serves as a reminder of Christ. (cont.)
myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud I never said EVERYONE will believe that the shroud is the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, why would you believe in a miracle like the shroud anyway? Because that is what it is. The vatican is apparently starting to change it's position (after having sat on the fence) regarding the shroud. The official vatican newspaper has said that the shroud is "impossible to falsify".
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@1ziggymop I wasn't implying that everyone would believe it, and I don't believe it is. To call it a miracle is just as spurious as saying Jesus is God. Miracles are an entirely moot point since there's no evidence of God. The Shroud might well be impossible to falsify, but that doesn't conclude it is THE Shroud. No-one doubts it is a shroud, but proving it covered Jesus is equally impossible.
I'd like to discuss this in more depth, as it involves beliefs on a much wider scale.
myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
Scientists at the Natl Agency for New Technologies, Energy & Sustainable Economic Development (ENEA) after studying the Shroud of Turin for 5 years, recently announced that they believe the Shroud was created by some type of electromagnetic energy such as a flash of light at short wavelength, something similar to ultraviolet lasers. The ability to reproduce this image is not currently available, according to these scientists
1ziggymop 3 weeks ago
@1ziggymop Like the Shroud, you either believe in carbon dating, or you don't. Either the Shroud is a fake and carbon dating is an accurate measuring instrument, or, the Shroud is genuine and carbon dating is not an accurate measuring instrument. Considering science has a method of time measurement in the tangible world, what form of measurment would you suggest religion uses outside of faith?
Most of what we know of the ancient world comes from carbon dating; the rest is faith.
myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud Carbon dating was flawed. They dated a piece of cloth from the edge of the Shroud that had been repaired sometime in the middle ages. Sample showed vanillin, Shroud image has no vanillin on it. Sample showed cotton mixed in with fibers. Shroud image has no cotton on it. Sample showed signs of repair (invisible weaving) main body of Shroud shows no repair done to it. Sample was not part of original Shroud
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@1ziggymop (cont.) They're keeping an open mind, as should you. Semantics. The only thing this new discovery will achieve, is to deepen the mystery. The religious will waste no time accepting it is genuine, but science is a long, long way from admitting the supernatural, or devine intervention, simply because that in turn, requires explanation.
I openly admit to getting it wrong with the carbon 14 test, but I, unlike theists, who are always right about their faith, learn by mistakes.
myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
As with Bethel, Israel, God's name (Jehovah, spelled in Hebrew) can be seen forming the shape of the Rocky mountains between Denver Colorado and Salt Lake City Utah. The Shroud of Turin will also conform to the shape of the Rocky mountains between Denver and Salt Lake City.
Leonardakers 3 weeks ago
@Leonardakers I don't suppose it ever occurred to you to actually question the content of the "seeingimagesofgod blogspot?" No, didn't think so. Trying to convince people that certain things "look like God," simply by drawing lines on a doctored image, is the weakest form of coersion, mainly because you can't explain any of it. I'm not surprised, only the naive can see God.
A blogspot's popularity is indicative of its members, or in this case, the lack of them.
myelectroncloud 3 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud Nothing has been doctored
Leonardakers 3 weeks ago
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@Leonardakers "Nothing has been doctored"
Some of the images are mirrored; one side of the images is a mirror image of the other side.
myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud what images in particular are you referring to? specify the date and time of posting
Leonardakers 2 weeks ago
@Leonardakers Monday October 11 2010 @2.30.
myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud The face is a sketch that Leonardo Di Vinci called the perfectly proportioned face. The proportions of this face are a geometric pattern and align perfectly with the proportions of the photograph of the computerized image of a supernova expanding that was published in Discover magazine in 2010. This computerized image of the supernova was taken at Sandia Labs.
Leonardakers 2 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud The photograph (referred to previously) of the computerized image of the supernova expanding taken at Sandia Labs, was taken the instant the proportions of the computerized image matched the proportions of the face
Leonardakers 2 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud The sketch of the face that fits on the supernova explosion is called "proportions of the face & eye" done by Leonardo Da Vinci. I copied this on clear plastic on a copy machine from a book about Leonard Da Vinci and placed it on top of the photograph of the supernova computer image. The computer image has not been doctored by me & the sketch of the face has not been doctored by me. Both images fit together.
Leonardakers 2 weeks ago
@Leonardakers What ever sketches done over the image of the supernova are irrelevant. The point I'm making, is that the image itself, the supernova, is exactly the same both left and right. It is mirrored. The only conclusion one can come to, is that someone has taken the original image and seperated it in order to make a face. It is a deliberate attempt to falsify an image for the benefit of the theist. Take another look at it and you'll see what I mean.
myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud This is an image of an exploding supernova, created on a supercomputer by a scientist of astrophysics. It shows the spreading of the plasma 1 second after the supernova explosion. They ARE capable of doing these types of simulations you know.
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@1ziggymop Is it me, or is this an alternate reality? It doesn't matter how it was created, that's not the point I'm making. The original simulation has been doctored. It has been deliberately created to look like a face, in a pathetic and somewhat vain attempt to confuse those that have little knowledge of the universe. Does the website concerned have to stoop so low as to fabricate cosmological images in order to get their point across? Clearly, there is no natural evidence.
myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud dont know where leonadakers is, but I looked (again) at his comment. He said he put a copy of Leonardo DaVinci's drawing of a face (of a man) over the picture of a simulation of an exploding supernova. Purpose: to show how they happen to match. Nowhere does he say the face is a supernova or whatever stupidity you are trying to conjure up. This supernova image can be found at Discovery gallery. It is IDENTICAL to the one he is referring to. That means he did not mess with it ok?
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@1ziggymop You know, you look at my comments, but you don't really see them. Dear oh dear. I'm not talking about Da Vinci's picture, I'm talking about a picture of the simulated supernova. That's the picture that has been falsified. Nothing in nature, whether your God did it or not, appears exactly the same on both sides, as this picture clealy does. Overlaying this picture with a Da Vinci drawing merely increases the falsification. Any attribute to God does not exist here.
myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud The simulated supernova shows the shock wave 1 second after explosion (a symmetrical explosion). If you would look at a video of a simulated explosion you would see how it works.
Stop trying to discredit everyone who makes a comment in favor of God.
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myelectroncloud 1 week ago
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@1ziggymop "Stop trying to discredit everyone who makes a comment in favor of God."
I don't need to. The very essence of your comments proves you are doing this all on your own. All I'm doing is correcting those that read what you post.
myelectroncloud 1 week ago
The earth went from a fluid to a solid state instantaneously. THat is why Israel is shaped like the Shroud of Turin. The compression of energy forms the shape of the letters of God's name in Hebrew. Wherever you find these letters, you will find the image of the Shroud. THat's why Bethel Israel is shaped like God's name in Hebrew.
Leonardakers 3 weeks ago
@Leonardakers "The earth went from a fluid to a solid state instantaneously."
That's impossible, and you know it. Please define "instantaneously."
It took 200 million years for the earth to cool down sufficiently for a crust to form on its surface. However, it's still cooling down; 84% of it is still liquid. Volcanic images aren't fake, you know?
Just because you don't know what you're talking about doesn't mean you should feed people misinformation. I'll be here to correct you.
myelectroncloud 3 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud All I am trying to do is educate someone. If they don't want to believe the information that's up to them. You are making a dark world even darker and should be ashamed. I have been researching this for 27 years so don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about - If any one is trying to mislead people, it is you. Time will tell who is full of shit. And it ain't me! I do not doctor anything, I speak the truth. Jesus Christ is Lord God Almighty
Leonardakers 3 weeks ago
@Leonardakers "All I am trying to do is educate someone."
By what measure is this education? Educating someone by using your own biased opinion and not informing them of the obvious alternative, is not education; it's indoctrination. More so when you have nothing but faith to support it. I've been researching no God for 32 years, and I can tell you, you don't know what you're talking about. ie: Carbon dating puts the Shroud at circa 1300, too new for Jesus. What do you have? Faith.
myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
The Shroud of Turin is a fractal
Leonardakers 3 weeks ago
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@Leonardakers "The Shroud of Turin is a fractal."
How on earth did you deduce that? You are saying that the Shroud is a geometric shape, with each and every part of it statistically the same as the whole. In other words, take a fibre, and all of the image on the whole Shroud is also on the fibre. Any part of the Shroud repeats itself endlessly.
Now, are you sure? Because the worlds greatest scientists would be very interested in your discovery. Not to mention the Vatican.
myelectroncloud 3 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud Each dot on the shroud is an entire image of the face. 3 entire Shrouds placed side by side will create 1 face. The image will repeat itself to infinity. Smaller images will combine to form a larger image of the same face. If you did understand this, would you even want to know?
Leonardakers 3 weeks ago
@Leonardakers you just cleared my doubt, if it is a fractal i was looking for a pattern, and now you've explained it. I thought the pattern would be in the form of an equation, thats why i asked for one
rayarulz512 3 weeks ago
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myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
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@Leonardakers "The image will repeat itself to infinity."
Please direct me to the source of this claim. So that I may take an unbiased view of the evidence contained therein.
myelectroncloud 2 weeks ago
@Leonardakers Whats its equation, i'm very curious
rayarulz512 3 weeks ago
@rayarulz512 Would you please specify what you are referring to and I will gladly clear it up for you
Leonardakers 3 weeks ago
Electron clouds fascinate me thouroughly, can someone explain the physics behind electron clouds
rayarulz512 3 weeks ago
@rayarulz512 Imagine you are looking at your hand through a stationary bicycle wheel, you see your hand clearly, only obstructed by 3 or 4 spokes. Now, if you spin the wheel very fast, the image of your hand is obscured by ALL the spokes. Your hand does not appear as clearly as before, it's cloudy. It's the same with electrons. They are moving so fast, they form a cloud around the nucleus of an atom that you cannot see through. An electron cloud.
myelectroncloud 3 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud Thank you, now i've gained an understanding on electron clouds
rayarulz512 3 weeks ago
@rayarulz512 Alternatively, imagine a ping pong ball, and its surface is the electron cloud. Electrons in the valence shell of an atom are said to be orbiting (orbital) the nucleus so fast, that a single electron can be in any one of 6 billion locations per second about its sphere of mobility. In other words, the surface of the ping pong ball looks like a cloud, but its actually, in many cases, just a single electron on its orbital journey.
I'll try to explain better if you'd like.
myelectroncloud 3 weeks ago
The magnetic field of earth's moon conforms to the image of the Shroud of Turin. The body makes the face, the face of Jesus Christ, Lord God Almighty. This will be confirmed by the probes currently mapping the moon. The shape will also conform to the hebrew letters of God's name, Jehovah
Leonardakers 4 weeks ago
@Leonardakers Oh dear. Hear we go again. New year, but nothing new on the religious front. The Moon doesn't have a magnetic field. So no image there, then. The probes of which you speak, the Grail (Gravity Recovery And Interior Laboratory) probes, there are two, map the uneven lunar gravity field to better understand its interior. In turn, this will help us to better understand the earth's origins. One would doubt they would confirm Jesus had anything to do with it-how would they look for Jesus?
myelectroncloud 3 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud THe moon has a weak magnetic field.
Leonardakers 3 weeks ago
@Leonardakers No, it doesn't. A planet or moon must have a molten metal core, usually iron, and be rotating fast enough to produce an EM field. The Moon does not. It is a cold, dead rock. It has localised pockets of magnetism that are detectable from various places on its surface, most likely produced from its formation, but they are not part of an EM field.
This is the point where you'll insist these pockets spell out the name of God. I just wonder how you come up with it all.
myelectroncloud 3 weeks ago
@myelectroncloud Denver Post on 1/5/12 said "grail mission is to answer questions about the moon's quirky magnetic field"
Leonardakers 3 weeks ago
@Leonardakers Then they've got it wrong. Trust you to believe everything you read in the papers.
myelectroncloud 3 weeks ago
JESUS CHRIST, TODAY, TOMORROW, FOREVER
1ziggymop 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
MERRY CHRISTMAS - God bless - may you all have a wonderful and happy year
1ziggymop 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
The May 2009 Discover magazine, page 32, shows a photograph taken by scientists of the gases swirling around an atom. The cloud produced by the charged particles indicates the torque that the energy is creating. This is the same torque creating the image on the Shroud of Turin. Put the face of the Shroud next to the picture of the atom and see for yourself. THis is also the same shape as the black hole at the center of the milky way galaxy.
Leonardakers 1 month ago
@Leonardakers It's official! You know nothing about atomic physics. Why am I not surprised? Charged gases, in this case, plasma, cannot, and do not swirl around an atom. Gases are atoms, and the atom of which you speak would be part of the gas. Clouds (atoms) are not produced by charged particles, that's indicative of atom creation, and they cannot be created in this way. A charged particle is an atom waiting to emit its energy. Much like a common battery.
Epic fail! Again!
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
@myelectroncloud Oh sure, like YOU have never made any mistakes with some of your remarks (yeh, right) - maybe he MEANT cloud swirling around the atom, instead of gases. Electrons form clouds around their nuclei. They spread out in waves. Definition of cloud: an aggregate of charged particles (as electrons). Definition of plasma (gas): electrically charged particles.
1ziggymop 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@1ziggymop Oh dear...
"Electrons form clouds around their nuclei."
Electrons don't have nuclei.
"They spread out in waves."
No they don't. They have orbitals.
"Definition of cloud: an aggregate of charged particles (as electrons)."
Clearly, you don't know what an electron cloud is.
I'm not called "myelectroncloud" for nothing. If you'd care to debate atomic and molecular physics, I'd be more than happy to oblige. Would that be enough process of thought for you?
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
@myelectroncloud Electrons form clouds around the nuclei (of their atoms). Atomic orbital describes the wave-like behavior of 1 or 2 electrons. Electron cloud - a wave surrounding the nucleus like a cloud. Quantum mechanics.
1ziggymop 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@1ziggymop "Electrons form clouds."
NO THEY DON'T! It has taken you two days to search the internet for an answer, and you come up with the first line from Wikipedia! Stop trying to score points! Electrons DO NOT form clouds. An electron cloud IS NOT a wave. DON'T copy "wave-like behaviour" when you don't know what it means. It's taken me two years of study to get this far, so don't think your clever to make an argument after two days.
I'd explain, but only 500 characters. :(
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
@myelectroncloud Sorry, but I DO have other things to do. You are not the center of the universe you know. As far as I am concerned, this subject is closed. Believe what you will.
1ziggymop 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@1ziggymop "You are not the center of the universe you know. As far as I am concerned, this subject is closed. Believe what you will."
(*Translation*: I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about, even though I pretend to. Believing in God requires no thinking on my part.)
PS: Have a nice Christmas.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago 2
@myelectroncloud Well, thank you! Merry Christmas to you also
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rayarulz512 3 weeks ago
Isaiah 8:21 "And they shall pass through it; hardly bestead and hungry; and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry; they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward"
Isaiah 8:22 "And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness; dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness"
Leonardakers 1 month ago
Isaiah 8:19 " And when they shall say unto you, seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep; and that mutter, should not a people seek unto their God"? for the living to the dead?
Isaiah 8:20 "To the law and to the testimony if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them"
Leonardakers 1 month ago
Job 39:24 "He that swalloweth the ground with fierceness and rage; neither believeth he that it is the sound of the trumpet"
Job 39:25: "He saith among the trumpets ; Ha, ha and he smelleth the battle afaroff; the thunder of the captains, and the shouting"
Leonardakers 1 month ago
GOD.... thank YOU 0:)
TheAngelrose10 1 month ago
@ziggymop1 Hmm. I cannot dismiss something that doesn't exist, so that's a moot point. I can, however, and do, dismiss your claims. Given that you should attribute God to all things that cannot be explained with "logic and reasoning." It would be logical to attribute it to God if you knew how he did it. Oh, but it's not our place to know, or question how he did it. God did it; because he just did. Perfect reasoning.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago 2
@myelectroncloud To me, it is not logical to believe that life spontaneously appeared in a pool of mud. Or, that we are descendents from reptiles who later became mammals who later became chimps (our supposed ancestors), but now we might be more closely related to orangutans. If we knew how God did anything, we would then BE like God. Which is what men are trying to do right now (be their own god). This will fail miserably of course.
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@1ziggymop "To me, it is not logical to believe that life spontaneously appeared in a pool of mud."
But it's logical to believe that life spontaneously appeared by the word of a being that cannot be proved to exist?
"we might be more closely related to orangutans. If we knew how God did anything, we would then BE like God."
That's right, let science do all the work and then take credit for it by saying God created evolution. You people jump on the band wagon of all discoveries.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
@ziggymop1
Well, I was just kidding about Christians inventing the word. However, the term Pagan isn't specific to polytheistic religions. Still, that doesn't change the fact that key components in the Bible are strikingly similar to those from earlier religions. I suppose, since laws of physics don't apply in the Biblical world, that Satan travelled through time and created these religions in order to sway our beliefs.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
@crescendo2020 most similarities have been proved false. Physics does apply to the bible. Physics is natural science, dealing with laws of nature in the physical world. Evidence for historical places in the bible are being discovered, proving the bible is not based on myths. If people were worshipping wooden idols instead of God, then I guess you could blame satan for that
1ziggymop 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@ziggymop1
Is that honestly your idea of our thought process? Haha
We dismiss religion, because there's no logical reason not to.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
When Jesus Christ returns to earth, you will know this because the sound of the angels trumpets will reach a crescendo.
Leonardakers 1 month ago
@Leonardakers
Yeah, I know. Also, he'll be in the clouds, visible to everyone. Haven't heard that one before.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
@Leonardakers Why trumpets particularly? Why not harps, or a pair of maracas? Or is it that a trumpet is the only instrument an angel can play? lol. I won't hold my breath for his return; it's been 2,011 years and there's no evidence of him getting here quite yet.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
@myelectroncloud The purpose of trumpets: to announce judgement
1ziggymop 1 month ago
@1ziggymop Pa, pa pa pa! "Hey everyone, I'm back!" If you say so ,Ziggy.
I wonder, if there are other habitable planets in the universe-the law of averages would dictate there is-that they also know of Jesus, and that he was crucified on earth? Are they also waiting for him to return? Perhaps they don't have trumpets. Or perhaps your thought process doesn't extend to that line of reasoning.
God is unique to man, and has made him arrogant.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
@myelectroncloud At least I process a thought once in a while
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@ziggymop1 "Religious people do see God."
Of course they do! They're religious! Haven't you worked that out, yet? What you meant to say was, ONLY religious people see God.
"Pagans and satanist are also religions."
Indeed they are, and all as spurious as one another. I do notice, however, that your religion states there is only one true God, thereby disputing all the others. Yet you manage to find time for a rebuttle of my dispute that there are ANY gods.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
Jesus please open hearts to see Your Glory.. You alone feel the God shaped chasm in our Hearts..
inhalejesus 1 month ago 2
@ziggymop1
Substance, like believing something just for the sake of doing it? If that's how you classify substance, then no, there is no substance to our arguments. However, there is plenty of logic, and evidentiary reasoning.
That gives us the benefit of adaptable beliefs. You on the other hand will always believe what you believe, regardless of new findings, and advances in knowledge.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
@ziggymop1
I would do the same exact thing with Satanists, Satanists are retarded. Pagan is a term that Christians invented for religions that they stole their ideas from. Giving God the credit for something doesn't, and will never, qualify as evidence or proof of said thing's origins.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
@ziggymop1
What absurdity(ies) are you referring to?
crescendo2020 1 month ago
Just remember bible thumpers...your idea of god is man-made.
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@ziggymop1 "In the long run nothing can withstand God."
...Which is a moot point, since it only pertains to those with religion. ¬¬
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
God?...Really? Woke up ppl.......
EVYSOF 1 month ago
Being a bible scholar has nothing to do with being a righteous person. God reads your heart, not your mind. The negative photograph of Jesus Christ's face on the Shroud of Turin is on the Last Judgement painting by Michaelangelo. This painting is 45 ft high and 40 ft wide. The 2 almond shapes at the top of the painting are the eyes of the face ( Shroud). How is it possible that a negative photograph fits on a painting done over 300 years prior to the photo being made
Leonardakers 1 month ago
@Leonardakers
Well, three hundred years went by. Three hundred years, billions of people, and trillions (Probably more than trillions) of events. It's actually very likely that such a coincidence occur in that time frame with that many opportunities, and variables. When considering the universe, and finding similarities to galaxy formations and space dust, etc., it's likely impossible for such a coincidence not to arise. I bet you can find wieners in galaxies too. Is that significant?
crescendo2020 1 month ago
@Leonardakers Obviously you've never considered the very real probability of coincidence. When the twin towers collapsed, most of the world was watching, and yet, only 3000 people said they saw the face of the devil in the smoke and dust. With a little imagination, you can make up any image you like. Religious people will see God wherever they look.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
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Third richest person in the world pledged to donate 99% of his wealth to charity.-Warren Buffett is good WITHOUT God.
Second richest person in the world has donated over $26 billion to charity.-Bill Gates is good WITHOUT God.
The wealthiest Evangellical Christian in the world has donated almost nothing to charity in his entire career.-Pat Robertson is hypocritical WITH God.
Moral? We don't need God-Just each other.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
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myelectroncloud 1 month ago
@ziggymop1 "I dont take science as the last word when it comes to God."
No, but you'll take God as the last word when it comes to science.
"In the long run, nothing can withstand reason and experience, and the contradiction religion offers to both, is only too palpable." -Sigmund Freud.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
@myelectroncloud
Bam!
crescendo2020 1 month ago
@ziggymop1 "What is your evidence that God does not exist."
Now we've been down this road before, haven't we ziggy? So, for the benefit of crescendo; I'll repeat: How does one prove something does not exist, if it isn't there to prove otherwise? It is you who claims he's real, so the burden of proof lies with you. Your claim is based solely on the lack of evidence to prove that he's not real. In effect, relying on the rejection of one claim to support another. Without evidence.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
@ziggymop1 I wasn't being general. I was specifying portions of the Bible that are contrary to what humans have learned since then. Scientists know very clearly, and closely as to the age of the Earth. They used a crazy system of observation, tests, and the ability to adapt when new evidence is found, which clearly doesn't make any sense at all, right? It's just as logical to attempt to prove that God doesn't exist, as it is to prove that Superman doesn't exist.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
@ziggymop1
I've answered for eight minutes now.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
Since you don't have all night, I'll assume that your rebuttle will be short, non-sensical, and without the benefit of evidence.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
4. direct opposition between things compared; inconsistency. Let's start here, and in comparison to all current knowledge.
Immaculate conception. Life spans of everyone in Genesis. The length of the world's, and human's existence. The source of the world's, and human's existence. Pretty much everything that the Bible describes Jesus doing.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
@ziggymop1
con·tra·dic·tion /ˌkɒntrəˈdɪkʃən/ Show Spelled[kon-truh-dik-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1. the act of contradicting; gainsaying or opposition.
2. assertion of the contrary or opposite; denial.
3. a statement or proposition that contradicts or denies another or itself and is logically incongruous.
4. direct opposition between things compared; inconsistency.
5. a contradictory act, fact, etc.
There is plenty of some of this in the Bible.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
The scorch marks on the Shroud of Turin, that have been patched, are individual faces. There are 8 of them. Each one of these areas will reproduce an entire shroud face & body. THis is an energy flow chart.
Leonardakers 1 month ago
@ziggymop1
No, there's nothing contradictory about the term "God". There are plenty of contradictions in regard to the teachings of religion. (religion, as a general term. Religion, spirituality, etc.) It's almost only contradictions. So many, it's outrageous.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
God has no interest in saving those who hate him
Leonardakers 1 month ago
@Leonardakers
You have to believe in God in order to hate him.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
Do you actually think God gives a shit whether you believe in him or not?
Leonardakers 1 month ago
@Leonardakers
Yes, I do. That is, if I'm basing my thought from a Biblical perspective. According to the Bible, I'll suffer perfect pain for an eternity if I don't.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
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@Leonardakers "Do you actually think God gives a shit whether you believe in him or not?"
That's a moot point, as he's not real, but since you've asked, yes, he must give a shit, or he wouldn't threaten us with eternal damnation.
Only through education can we see through religion.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
Am i the only one that everytime they whatch a video like this belives in God less and less? even with the relgious songs i do not see this as a creation of God i see this as they Universe and the luck that were here even thoe alien existence is probably extremely common But you no what, im in the military and my buddy said "Even if you fully dont belive in God it dosent hurt to, whats the worst that could happen" but i see no reason to i accept that once im dead, im dead even if its for america
TGiggityGusT 1 month ago
@ziggymop1
Man, I enjoy putting the people that I love in catch-22 situations.
God according to man: "Do whatever you want, but if you don't do what I want you'll live forever dying in horrible agony. I could not do this, but the rules that I made up, won't allow it."
Me, to my Grandmother: "Go ahead, don't wash the dishes, it's your choice. If you don't though, I'm going to let my friend beat the shit out of you with a bat. Sorry, those are my rules."
It's like a spiritual shake down.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
@crescendo2020 You're gonna like here... :)
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
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@ziggymop1 I suppose at some point, you might actually READ my comment. I didn't say the nebula was destroyed, just the pillars.
Until you know the exact formation of stars, you WOULD call it a God creation. I suppose your arrogance prevents from seeing it as anything else. And before you spin that argument around, you'll of course be able to explain how God does it.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
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@ziggymop1 I suppose at some point, you might actually READ my comment. I didn't say the nebula was destroyed, just the pillars.
Until you know the exact formation of stars, you WOULD call it a God creation. I suppose your arrogance prevents from seeing it as anything else. And before you spin that argument around, you'll of course be able to explain how God does it.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
@ziggymop1 I suppose at some point, you might actually READ my comment. I didn't say the nebula was destroyed, just the pillars.
Until you know the exact formation of stars, you WOULD call it a God creation. I suppose your arrogance prevents from seeing it as anything else. And before you spin that argument around, you'll of course be able to explain how God does it.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
Thank you for putting this video up.
It's beautiful.
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Science: We are all stardust; this is pretty common knowledge now. Well, for most of us, it is. Stars are made inside nebulae, from the very stuff that forms a nebula. Nebulae are formed from the gravitational collapse of gas (mainly hydrogen) in the interstellar medium. Others can be formed from star supernova. Our sun was formed from just such a process.
Religion: God did it; because he just did! Yep, makes perfect sense.^^
myelectroncloud 1 month ago 8
The muslims believe that for every problem that man faces God has provided a solution. It is up to man to find that solution and this is man's spiritual quest. The fool says in his heart there is no God. When a man decides in his heart there is no God, that's when he becomes a fool
Leonardakers 1 month ago
The eagle nebula is an example of the process of creation. God is making everything in His image; the image on the Shroud of Turin, Jesus Christ, the only true God.
Leonardakers 1 month ago
The image of the Shroud of Turin (Jesus Christ) can be viewed on the eagle nebula. This is not a claim, this is a fact -- torque.
Leonardakers 1 month ago
@Leonardakers So you that's how you interpret Mathew 24:30, is it? I hate to break this to you, but the pillars of creation, which were part of the eagle nubula, and show your so called image, were destroyed 6000 years ago by a supernova. His ticket was cancelled by his own creation, it would seem. lol. I think this confirms, irrefutably, that Jesus is dead.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
The photographic negative image (taken in 1898) of the face of Jesus Christ, which appears on the Shroud of Turin, fits on Michaelangelo's painting of the Last Judgment, painted over 300 years prior to the photograph. How is that possible? (the painting is approx. 44 ft high)
Leonardakers 1 month ago
@Leonardakers
An infinite amount of time will surely deliver an infinite amount of coincidences.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
@ziggymop1 One cannot make a truthful claim, since one is making a claim, not stating a fact. And as you know so well, the burden of proof lies with those that make the claim. Negative claims are just as spurious as positive ones; they're still claims, and is a moot point.
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
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"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires". -Susan B. Anthony
myelectroncloud 1 month ago
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myelectroncloud 1 month ago
God you are so amazing. I thank you for being so beyond comprehension yet you died for a wicked sinner like me. Maranatha.
inhalejesus 1 month ago
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able, nor willing?
Then why call him God?" -Epicurus. Winning since 33AD
myelectroncloud 2 months ago
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myelectroncloud 2 months ago
@ziggymop1
Looked at it. Don't waist my time like that...
OptimalElement 2 months ago
@atrakcionas
I am a Christian man who thinks that religion and science can somehow marry themselves, having said that our logic is not the same as God's and will never be. There is proof that God exists, you are seeing it in this video here.
God bless you!
MrWipilipi 2 months ago
@MrWipilipi "There is proof that God exists, you are seeing it in this video here."
The very fact that you can see a star, does not give you knowledge enough, by sight alone, to determine what created it. Perhaps you can show me a laboratory experiment that demonstrates how stars can be created by a being that cannot be proved to exist.
While you're at it, can you also explain, that if our logic is not the same as God's, how can you possibly know that, if you cannot determine God's logic?
myelectroncloud 2 months ago 4
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I put information on the comment section of this you tube site going back about a year proving that Jesus Christ is the only true God.
Leonardakers 2 months ago
@myelectroncloud
God did not make a mistake with man. Man chose to disobey God. God loves us so much that he gives us a choice in our decicions.
MrWipilipi 2 months ago
@MrWipilipi "God did not make a mistake with man."
If God is perfect, then he must know everything. Which means he knows our destiny. Ergo, he knows the choices we make, before we make them. If we disobeyed him, he must have known about it in advance. If God gave us the ability to make a choice, only he can be responsible if we make the wrong one. If he then punishes us for these mistakes; he does not love us. The mistake is entirely of his own making.
God isn't real; deception is.
myelectroncloud 2 months ago
@MrWipilipi
One cannot make a mistake if one cannot be proven to (Or not to) exist,
crescendo2020 1 month ago
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Proving that Jesus Christ is the only TRUE GOD is an honor, not a burden
Leonardakers 2 months ago
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@ziggymop1 How does one know they are images of God, when one does not know what God looks like?
myelectroncloud 2 months ago
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myelectroncloud 2 months ago
There is no scientific proof that god exists.
atrakcionas 2 months ago
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@ziggymop1 "God is real."
A man is accepted into church for what he believes, and he is turned out for what he knows. -Mark Twain
myelectroncloud 2 months ago
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myelectroncloud 2 months ago
@ziggymop1
No one told me anything. You are actually the first person to respond to me on this video's comment section. And what site? This video?
OptimalElement 2 months ago
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Leonardakers 2 months ago
Here, and in all our meditations upon the qualities and content of God, we pass beyond our power of fit conception, nor can human eloquence put forth a power commensurate with His greatness. At the contemplation and utterance of His majesty all eloquence is rightly dumb, all mental effort is feeble. For God is greater than mind itself. His greatness cannot be conceived. Nay, could we conceive of His greatness He would be less than the human mind which could form the conception
r9670712 2 months ago
@r9670712
How mighty convenient it is to be unfathomable. I'll tell you what is absolutely fathomable, though. Evidence of any kind, that leads to knowledge of any kind.
crescendo2020 1 month ago
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He is greater than all language, and no statement can express Him. Indeed, if any statement could express Him, He would be less than human speech which could by such statement comprehend and gather up all that He is. All our thoughts about Him will be less than He, and our loftiest utterances will be trivialities in comparison with Him.
r9670712 2 months ago
God is the power that creates all things. Jesus Christ is God.
Leonardakers 2 months ago
God is a physical phenomenon, the results of which will be perfection. (Definition of phenomenon is: to appear)
Leonardakers 2 months ago
@Leonardakers "the results of which will be perfection."
...and yet he made a mistake with man. Your idea of perfection is flawed.
myelectroncloud 2 months ago
I have been putting proof that God (Jesus Christ) does exist since June 2010 on this site.
Jesus Christ is the only true God
Leonardakers 2 months ago
The image of the Shroud of Turin is on the Last Judgement painting at the vatican. It is in the Sistine chapel behind the altar and is a 2 story high painting.
Leonardakers 2 months ago
@ziggymop1 Good Morning.. Adam and Eve did not make the bad choice. Eve was decieved just like many many people on earth. she made the bad decision.. Adam well.. he was just trying to please his wife.. As most husbands now know nothing about
123jeremyjordan 2 months ago
how can I get this song exactly as it is on this video?
123jeremyjordan 2 months ago