Vebrotube's webcam recorded Video - June 10, 2009, 07:05 AM

[SublimeBovine]

I feel the only people against SSM are religious ones. Nothing against religion in anyway accept that hatred and intolerance are promoted. Everyone should have equal rights.

Also, gays aren't trying to make you accept their lifestyle, I'm sure they would appreciate it, but currently what they are fighting for is their right for marriage, something that no one should deny.

[Vebrotube]

@SublimeBovine: What I'm talking about isn't a religious issue, but a moral one. If they aren't trying to force us to accept, why do they yell "Hate speech!" whenever someone speaks in opposition to their lifestyle? Moreover, no one told them they couldn't marry.

[SublimeBovine]

@Vebrotube Than what is all of this stuff with NOM and Prop 8? I believe that is what their main goals are.... to get rid of SSM. And is it not a hate speech? It promotes intolerance and hatred. And what is so immoral about being gay? Many of my close friends are gay, and they advocate issues other than gay marriage. They are people, like me and you. And it is a religious issue according to this video. You mention Christianity throughout the entire video.

[bamor223]

@SublimeBovine FIrst of all the 14th Amendment (ie Equal Protection) was clearly a RACE amendment. Why must you bastardize the Equal Protection Clause to indulge and normalize a minority sexual fetish that is deviant from the sexual majority. I really don't care what you shove or lick but we are not talking about criminalizing abnormal sex...we are talking about by normalizing a creating a NEW PROTECTED CLASS! You know like the LGBT Cong Caucus. GAY Agenda is about UNORTHOSEXUAL PREFERENCE!

[SublimeBovine]

@bamor223 What exactly are we protecting here? What class is there to protect? I in no way feel the need to be protected from anyone, especially gays. And once again I'm noticing the arguments are all religiously backed. If you take out religion from the picture what do you have? A completely invalid argument. And thats what I see.

[SublimeBovine]

@bamor223 It was clearly a RACE amendment?! So you are now classifying gays as a race? And how am i bastardizing anything. Right in the 14th amendment is says "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws". Seems like race isn't the issue here!

[dorianstark]

YOUR EXAMPLE OF PUTTING HOMOSEXUALS IN A WRONG LIGHT BY PUTTING THEM ON AN ISLAND AND CLAIMING THEY CANT REPRODUCE MAKES THEM WRONG IS FALSE, BIAST, AND HOLDS NO MERIT.THE REASON IS THAT BECAUSE 1 DONT REPRODUCE DOESNT MAKE THEM WRONG OR BAD. GAY MEN HAVE SPERM AND WOMEN HAVE EGGS. WE CAN REPRODUCE IF WE WANTED. GOD DIDNT MAKE EVERYONE A BREEDER FOR A REASON. THE WORLD CANT HANDLE EVERYONE BREEDING. GOD DOESNT MAKE MISTAKES. GIVE OUR LORD MORE CREDIT THAN U DO. CHRISTIAN? TISK,TISK, I DOUBT IT.

[Vebrotube]

@dorianstark :You're right--God doesn't make mistakes. That's why homosexuality is a morally reprehensible lifestyle. No one is trying to put them in a wrong light and what makes you think my claims are biased? This is the usual character assassination the homosexuals use to intimidate others to accept their lifestyle, which I won't. Your comments are definitely more biased than mine.

[dorianstark]

@Vebrotube u r clearly looking in the wrong place to find out GODs true word. biased claims u have clearly made is u believe in a dead book and clearly state ur disbelief in ur fellow gay human beings. u also state u will never see it from our perspective which means u r biast in ur own beliefs and wont open up to a much bigger important picture than ur blind faith.i have stated no biast claims. let me know where u see one.

[Vebrotube]

@dorianstark: First of all, What is this "God's true word" that you talk about? The Bible is dead? "Love your enemies" is dead? "Bless them that curse you" is dead? Moreover, I don't have a bias against homosexuals. I don't believe they should be denied a job simply because they are homosexual. I don't advocate violence of ANY kind against them unless it's in self-defense. What I don't like is the gay community trying to force me to accept their lifestyle, and I won't.

[dorianstark]

@Vebrotube 2 hear GODs true word, u need only to look inward. GOD speaks to us all, not thru ink. yes, the bible is dead because of KILL ANY WOMAN WHO WEARS 2 THREADS. KILL OR STONE ANY WOMAN WHO IS NOT A VIRGIN WHEN U MARRY. SHELL FISH IS UNCLEAN. PORK UNCLEAN. SACRAFICE UR KIDS FOR GOD. KILL HOMOSEXUALS. ETC. THESE LUDACRIS LAWS & STORIES HAVE HELPED PEOPLE REALIZE THE BARBARIC FALSE WORDS IN THE DEAD BIBLE. gays r not forcing u 2 do anything. heteros r not the only 1 with rights.

[Vebrotube]

@dorianstark: Your claims above are Old Testament laws that were done away with after the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. My wife wears all kinds of clothing, I love seafood (shellfish included), I know a lot of girls who have gotten pregnant before marriage who have yet to be stoned, and I love a good pork chop (smothered in gravy!). I don't know where you got the sacrifice your kids for God drivel from. You may have read the Bible but you don't understand it.

[dorianstark]

@Vebrotube it still doesnt make sense. if it was so bad in the old testiment, it has to be bad in the new. all this proves is that the bible cant keep it together much like its divided followers.

[Vebrotube]

@dorianstark: The gays have the same rights as everyone else.

[dorianstark]

@Vebrotube you dont have to like or even internally accept who GOD intended us to be, but if u cant say something nice, keep ur comments to urself. i dont like rap music or country music, but i dont go around telling the world i hate them and its not right. i dont like gangs, but i am not out telling the world they r not right. bottomline is u r harboring hard feelings and showing the world how u feel. not kool. just keep ur dark thoughts 2 urself if u cant be nice. no gay is doing anything 2 u.

[Vebrotube]

@dorianstark: Excuse me, but, you came to MY channel. If you don't like what I have to say, go somewhere where your point of view is agreed upon. Open rebuke is better than secret love.

[dorianstark]

@Vebrotube yes, u r right abt that. but u cant expect to publicly announce ur hate and ignorance and expect no comments from the public.

[bamor223]

@dorianstark Putting Gays on an Island...he is saying that being Gay is unproductive, irrational and un-natural. Since the population would atrophy the lifestyle must be defective. "WE CAN REPRODUCE IF WE WANTED" = So it really is a choice! As far as population. The US Density is 88 persons per sq Mile. NJ pop is 1000+ per sq mile. 1/3 of all of US Corn goes to Auto-fuel (E-10), 1/3 goes to feeding livestock, 1/6 makes Corn Syrup and 1/6 makes Food. Plenty of Food & Room you arrogant Eugenist!

[dorianstark]

@bamor223 i know what he is saying.putting gays on an island to say they will atrophy is wrong on all counts. the same analogy can be used for heterosexuals who cant reproduce. put them on an island and they will atrophy. no, this analogy doesnt work and anyone with common sense will know this.no, being gay isnt a choice, but as i said, gay men and gay women have sperm and eggs and they can reproduce by means of non sexual natures. so nothing u say can hide your ignorance!!! bigotry, and fear!!

[XxkarazuxX]

the perpetuation of reproduction... do you really think humans are supposed to be eternal? really ego-centrical.

[dillinjabreakz]

You are not education on homosexuality then if you think these things.

[Vebrotube]

What? Make some sense in your comments.

[Vebrotube]

You said I'm uneducated...about what? The truth? I have spoken the truth.

[pernille0]

I think God juge after what people mean abute what they do and not of what they do. Its a scame that you dont understand that all love is good( God ). Love dident make this war,

hate did. I want to comment on some things you said in your movie.

[pernille0]

God made people that abuse and live there kids so that they have to find a new home. So what if God made gay people bicose they cant have kids of their one, and take on all the kids that dont have homes. Do you think God like all the kids to be growing up witoute enybody ?

[pernille0]

i think it sound like you dont understand that the gay poplation is not growing. They have always bean, they just diddent tell enywone. And there is gay animals, but not all animals are gay. ( bicose its not growing )

your child has its one mind, you dont have the right to dicide what they sud think of gay people. That a person tells your kid that to be gay is okey, only make them bether at thinking for them self, bicose then they see it from 2 diffrent points.

[pernille0]

i want to point out somthing. You exspress yourself in a angry way, abute people you dont even know. It dosent mather if it say in the bible that you can juge adder people. Bicose your not helping enybody, not yourself, not gay people. All you are doing is making mess and more anger.

God want people to be HAPPY

[Vebrotube]

"God want people to be HAPPY "

True. However, he doesn't want you to be happy in sin.

[Vebrotube]

You want me to leave you alone. Hey, you're the one that came to my page. I didn't come to yours and leave rude comments. Finally, homosexuality and race have nothing to do with each other. I will grant your request to leave you alone by having you blocked and deleted. Have a nice day.

[Vebrotube]

lithiumburrito is illogical.

[Vebrotube]

Are you listening to yourself? Two men or two women together cannot reproduce. However, a man and a woman together can reproduce. Therefore, it YOUR argument, not mine, that is invalid.

[lithiumburrito]

Try asking gay people if they chose to only be attracted to their own sex. This is not a choice, but a natural inclination. I have never been sexually attracted to the opposite sex.I've known since kindergarden that I was different, and hated myself for a long time because of it and was afraid to be open to my parents for fear of rejection of their love.That is torture for a child. Look at a lot of gay men.Many have feminine features. Does it not appear that there is any biological explanation?

[Vebrotube]

First, I'd like to commend you on being respectable in your answer. However, if you are a man and you are attracted to other men, this is not God's purpose. It is not genetic because two people of the same gender getting together cannot reproduce. Moreover, if it were just an orientation, God wouldn't consider it to be sin. I know people will say my views are based on the Bible and they are. However, for thousands of years, marriage had always been defined as being between a man and a woman.

[Vebrotube]

Only within the past several decades have people risen up to declare homosexuality to be an alternate lifestyle. My thinking isn't prejudiced as I have nothing personally against any of you. However, if God says one thing but people say something different I'm listening to God because man's reasoning is flawed. Proverbs 14:12

[lithiumburrito]

First of all, the first post was my boyfriend posting on my account on accident. Now, however, you get to deal with less nice version of a gay man.

Where to start? First of all, it doesn't matter where your beliefs are situated, this nation is set up upon religious freedom and the separation of church and state. The state itself has NO reason to dictate that a marriage is necessarily between a man and a woman, except based on moralistic Christian values, which goes inherently against

[lithiumburrito]

the Constitution. If you don't want my marriage to be a Christian-sanctioned marriage, that's fine, your god is for you, and I just want government recognition of my union.

Next, you state that there is no such thing as homosexuality in animals. That's just wrong. A falsehood. Incorrect.

Homosexuality is documented in over 1000 species of animals, to the extent of sex and the raising of otherwise orphaned young. To say otherwise is strictly wrong, and shows your ignorance.

[lithiumburrito]

Twice you cite history as a reason for the perpetuation of the current system of marriage, which is also absurd.

"Only within the past decades have people risen up to declare homosexuality to be an alternate lifestyle." This is ONLY true of Western culture. And why we're on the topic of Western culture::

Only within the past 150 years have black people been acknowledged as being as human as white people. Before that black people were sub-human and not deserving of hardly any of the rights

[Vebrotube]

What is against the Constitution is the the law of separation of church and state. It appears nowhere in the Constitution.

[Belharg]

@Vebrotube

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

-- first amendment to the constitution of the United States of America

The first nine words spell out the separation of church and state.

[Vebrotube]

@Belharg I'm sorry but the Constitution doesn't say that I don't have a right to exercise my beliefs in public. The condition falls on Congress, not the citizens. "There is no separation of church and state."

[Belharg]

@Belharg

No, but it completely invalidates your comment (towards the bottom of the list) that nowhere in the constitution is there definite separation between church and state. I'm fine with you saying what you believe. I'm just saying that your argument being based in religious context has no validity in any court in the lands of the US.

[Vebrotube]

What you call homosexuality in animals is actually the animals acting on instinct, not attraction. Anyway, why in the world would you stoop down to the animal kingdom for an example. Are you an animal?

[Vebrotube]

If you believe in religious freedom, then you and your cohorts need to stop trying to get the rest of us to accept your lifestyle.

[Vebrotube]

I can't condemn you. The Bible says if you don't believe you are condemned already. Matt. (3:18) Read YOUR Bible.

[Vebrotube]

Once again. Matthew 7:1-5 is talking about hypocrisy, not judging right from wrong.

[Vebrotube]

Repent? For saying what God says and telling the truth? NEVER! So I'm just supposed to ignore people's wrongs while I feed the needy? Apparently you don't know the Bible because feeding the needy wasn't the only thing Jesus did. If my doctrine is false then so is Jesus.

[curtmorrison]

It's courageous of you to stand up for what you believe in and your argument is somewhat reasonable based on your premises.

However, the majority of your argument on a premise that homosexuality is a choice, yet professional organizations in the field of psychology state that homosexuality is a normal, natural, and fixed sexual orientation.

Here's where I'm confused... Since you're choosing to throw out the science, why are you bothering to engage in thoughtful discourse?

[Vebrotube]

What science are you talking about? There are absolutely no credible studies that define homosexuality as normal, natural, or fixed. Homosexuality goes against science.

[BartSRQ1]

No one is asking you to be a homosexual....I sure ain't.

[SeanChapin1]

Hi Vebrotube,

Thanks for your video response to my "NOM Gathering Storm, What Storm?" video. I would like to engage in a constructive discussion with you, either here in the comments section of your video or my video, or through private YouTube messages, if you would like.

-Sean

[Vebrotube]

Sure. As long as you abstain from the cursing, insults, and character assassinations.