A igreja católica tem um organismo no mundo inteiro, chamado "conselho presbiteral" que sempre lavou a roupa suja do clero dentro de casa baseado no segredo de confessionário. O problema, agora, é que, as vítimas estão tendo coragem de falar e a igreja já não pode lavar esse tipo de roupa suja internamente por se tratar de crime. Claro que todos sabiam e agora são obrigados a denunciar.
The Ratzinger clip is taken out of context. It has been well attested that Ratzinger was the biggest opponent of Maciel in the Vatican and had urged the Pope to confront him. The only reason why he was angered was because the journalist was harassing him.
catholicabusesurvivorsni---this order was founded by father marcial maciel a prince of darkness who raped his own children and catholic priests, as well as children he fathered also he made 20,billion for the pope who heads an unbiblical church
Child molestation is a body function. If you are against it, you are against the creator of that body function. The evil is not in the molestation but in the definition of the word "molestation". The definition bans a body function that is NOT going to go away simply because some stupid old fat religious leaders of the past found it profitable to ban children's body functions. Banning a body function is not like banning murder or theft. It's purpose is to create endless guilt and donations.
New York journalist and attorney Michael Lesher says, “A certain amount of sexual deviance is going to be found in any society. What is really shocking is the extent of license that’s been extended to these people to victimize children and if you are a pedophile, the Orthodox Jewish Community is one of the best places you can be”
Amy Neustein-Tempest in the Temple:
“What outrages me is the Cover-up by its leaders of the crimes'
os legionários de cristo é uma obra de deus. devemo-nos mortificar pelo passado e que os sacerdotes dos legionários sejam santos e as consagradas amem deus.
o papa não escondeu nada... o que está em causa é como intepretamos...
@irolga1 Escondeu sim. A igreja não revela segredos dos "conselhos presbiterais". Desta vez é crime porque a relação homossexual é exercida encima de adolescentes e a igreja não tem mais como lavar esse tipo de roupa suja dentro de casa. As vítimas estão tendo a coragem de falar, de denunciar. Por ser crime a igreja é obrigada a entregar ao braço secular um problema que procurou resolver internamente. Tudo tem a ver com a interação entre o segredo de confessionário e o conselho presbiteral.
@pardetoledo é verdade que escondeu e não devemos esconder o que foi feito. a igreja apenas "escondeu" pois eram assuntos internos que deviam ser resolvidos por pessoas eclesiásticas competendes e não por um individuo qualquer. por esse motivo é que foi feito o que se fez. o objecto não era aumenttar o problema mas ser resolvido por pessoas internas. esperemos que as autoridades sejam correctas na investigação.
The accusations went public few years ago. Ok. But, church is not a place for gossips, they had to discuss it really deeply and get to know every source. It is not a work for a week. And i let you know that Maciel was sent by the pope for 2 years bannition before he died so that they clearly got to know everything about that case.
Jeb Bush looking to get his hands on some of that 33 billion in hush $. Remember proud Republican Lawrence King back in the 80's? Pedophile Supremo. Saw an article by Rod Dreher about Maciel. The conservative Catholic comments exposed how the powerful protect their own while still ridiculing Renner & Berry of the NCR as socialists & communists for telling the truth about Maciel. They say the same thing about Obama using the same old 1950's sick McCarthyite rhetoric that never changes.
@doncoro Bullshit. After allegations were brought against Maciel, Cardinal Ratzinger was prevented from pursuing an investigation by a certain Cardinal Sodano. Sodano, who was Ratzinger's superior, basically told Cardinal Ratinger not to touch Maciel. This when on for some months, before Cardinal Ratinzer broke rank with Sodano and went ahead on his own with an investigation, and that led to Maciel being removed from active ministry.
@doncoro Also, even after Cardinal Ratzinger had had him removed from minstry, Carindal Sodano (and others) continued to obfuscate the case, preventing further action from being taken against the criminal. I'm happy Maciel is finally known for the dirtbag he was, but to try to somehow pin the blame for his streak of crimes of Cardinal Ratzinger is ludicrous! If it weren't for Cardinal Ratzinger, those other old frat boy Cardinals would have happily kept Maciel around.
Being such an important person before becoming Pope, even against the opposition of Sodano (a famous protector of pedofiles) Ratzinger should have publicly denounced what was happening with Maciel.
I´m sure John Paul II would have reacted swiftly (at least to avoid ruining even more the already decayed reputation of the Holy See)
I have lost my admiration for the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.
@doncoro You're missing the point. It wasn't clear "what was happening with Maciel." All they had were accusations, there was nothing for Ratinzger to denounce. Ratzinger wanted to act on the accusations, to discover the truth, and Cardinal Sodano prevented him- up to the point that Ratzinger got fed up with Sodanos antics and went ahead with an investigation on his own! And when he found evidence that the accusations were substantial (not conclusive evidence, mind) he acted as best he could
@doncoro Yes, the vicitims went public with their *accusations* a long time ago. But accusations are not necessarily always true (although they turned out to be very true this time). As I've said, Ratzinger saw what the accusations included, wanted to investigate these claims and discover if they were truthful. Sodano didn't like that idea and stopped him (until, as I keep saying, Ratzinger just ignored Sodano and went ahead on his own).
"The alleged abuses came to light during an eight-month Vatican investigation into the Legionaries of Christ, a secretive religious order beloved by Pope John Paul II but now discredited because of revelations that its charismatic founder sexually abused seminarians and fathered at least three children."
porque no dicen tambien , que esta difamacion al padre, nace o se promueve porque el padre señalo que: los JUDIOS se estan entrometiendo en la iglesia catolica y que la estan destruyendo por dentro... y fue por eso toda esta intensa e insesante difamacion en contra del padre Maciel, porque tocó y señaló lo que hacen los tantaculos de los "elegidos"
The responsibility for the horror of thousands of children being raped for centuries goes not only to the offending priests and the hierarchy of the church who concealed the horror. The worst offender is the omniscient, the omnipotent, the omnipresent, the merciful, GOD for allowing this tragedy.
The true Catholic Church is in eclipse, it has been usurped by homosexuals, Freemasons, and communists since the death of Pope Pius XII. It has been infiltrated since the early 20's when thousands of communists were unleashed into the seminaries masquerading as "priests" which then ascended into the hierarchy. The Church you see is an "ape" of the Church that Christ established. You folks who (rightly) condemn the actions of these phony clergy are condemning impostors. They are not Catholic.
Theocracy must die. Religion should NEVER have been used as a tool to CONTROL and KILL people using faith.
Thus, Catholic Church MUST DIE, and Islam's Teaching MUST ALSO DIE.
God will survive in your own Hearts. You don't need other human beings to interpret for you. Just read any holybooks, not just ONE holybook. Let your heart guide you. NOT any mere MORTALS.
Judgement days are coming... to Vatican will be destroyed FIRST, THEN Islam, i.e. all THOSE Pedophiles & such worshippers !
Incredible! So unfair to the church! For 14 centuries they have burnt people alive, assassinated innocents and, worst of all, destroyed a good portion of classical art and philosophy. And now they are put in the spotlight only because a few priests have done a few kids! Like that was a big crime! Hypocrites, bastards, idiots!
stevelandy- look what you have written: "And now they are put in the spotlight ONLY because a few priests have done a few kids." are you being sarcastic, I couldn't tell?
I am a Roman Catholic, this is an outrage and I am glad it is finally exposed. It wasn't a few priests or a few kids, it is hundereds, probably thousands of priests and certainly thousands of children that were raped. And the Church now feels attacked?
These priests represent Christ, what do you think Jesus is thinking?
The Nazis abused of mankind for only 13 years and now it is illegal to support them, sometimes even to mention them positively. The church as abused of mankind for 13 centuries. Pedophilia is, compared to the huge list of crimes committed by your Church over the centuries, a minor, even irrelevant charge. You guys should be congratulated for having come such a long way in the diminish of the quantity and types of crimes you are now committing, compared to what it used to be. Well done!
@stevelandy we're not in disagreement, I am furious with the crimes of the Catholic Clergy and further furious at their lack of response to the exposed crimes, I think that the Church should be held responsible for the crimes.
men kissing men,,, i guess its ok if your catholic just like ass raping little boys, I didnt think any religion could sink lower than jews, Gratz to the catholic SCUM!!
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The Catholic Church is being purified by all these scandals... bettter to find out the truth, aknowledge it, ask for forgiveness, be supportive to those who have been harmed and make sure that things don't happen again..
Hope you rot in hell, Maciel... Fortunately i´m a freethinker and none of that heaven-hell crap has a meaning to me...but i´m sure that there is a horrible place for you right now... disgusting scumbag.
Let's be honest! Men who like to dress up in pink satin, red velvet and lace, covered with gold and jewels? Plus they don't want to be involved with members of the opposite sex! It is NOT NORMAL!!!!
If we all did that, human life would end! There would be no one left to worship GOD! No one to sing pretty little songs to him on Sundays!
There is something wrong with these people! No?
Just be a good person, and treat others like you'd like to be treated! That's it! Forget the fucking church!
If those of you going to church tonight or in the morning take a stand When you first get there in the first 5 to 10 mins of the priests speaking stand up and scream out why are there so many pedophile priests inside the church's??? You need to take a stand to wake others up to what's going on with your church and how you can protect the kids in it!
anybody know where you can see this film for free on the internet its looks really good it look likes soemthign alot of people need to see so they can learn from it and start to think diff from the church
the fucks are still conducting business as usual,, no remorse,,, they are still the largest investors in war armements. those stocks are nt cheap... but they buy and buy because they still make their money with war
Maciel is like Escriva (founder of OpusDei): a cult figure & demi god. THEY are the focus of adoriation & loyalty, not God. Ditto for the hiearchy & Vatican organization; so this is not surprising.
Both of them had many of the classic characteristics of the possessed...not of saintly founders of orders. Violent rage, S&M/D&S mentality, Cognitive DIssonance in justifying abuse.....it all fits.
Not sure u can lump both of these folks together.
I have been Catholic for years and have never met anyone giving these folks "adoriation & loyalty, not God. Ditto for the hiearchy & Vatican organization;"
The Vatican has played a bait & switch for centuries, substituting itself for Christ - and positing the clergy, hierarchy & organization as the object of loyalty & veneration. There is plenty of evidence online in Catholic sites which prove this.
That Maciel & Escriva followed similar megalomaniacal, & abusive patterns comes as no surprise. They learned that in the clerical establishment.
Of course the church that Jesus Christ established is due loyalty, veneration, and obedience. Would you not honor (venerate) peter and paul and obey them? Then why would you not venerate their successors as empowered by the holy spirit? I fear you have accepted a new gospel, invented by men in the 16th century, that denies the work of the holy spirit in the church.
You may want to find an argument against the 'meglomania' of Escriva that does not also equally condemn Peter and Paul.
Personality cults are a very dangerous thing. The Legion built so much of its formation on the "example" and writings of Maciel. I left after 3 months and 1 day of novitiate. I looked around and thought something wasn't right. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I don't think Jesus intended his people to look like zombies. It is hard to explain, but if you have ever been to an LC/RC house,or event, you know what I mean.
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i was also in the Legion, but for four years at an apostolic school, and the novitiate for three months. I can say that the personality cult has, of course, died completely in the Legion, and it had started to die just before marcial did. I just wish we had found out earlier. But I have nothing against the Legion, or the pope, or anyone...except marcial.
@mrsgarrettrocks I KNOW what you mean, I studied at one of their universities in mexico... it was pure horror at the highest levels of authority. Teachers and fellow students were great though.
Don't worry, God is good; He loves His church and has promised us that the gates of hell will not prevail against it. And the legion/rc is truly a cult conceived in hell that is trying to destroy the church!
"...He agradecido cordialmente al Santo Padre esta ulterior ayuda que nos ofrece para afrontar las actuales vicisitudes relacionadas con los hechos graves en la vida de nuestro padre fundador que ya fueron objeto de las investigaciones de la Congregación de la Doctrina de la Fe concluidas en mayo de 2006, y los que han salido a la luz más recientemente. Estamos profundamente apenados y pedimos sincero perdón a Dios y a quienes hayan sido lastimados por este motivo... "
dirty priest...its a sacralidge to be a priest paedophile! Thats not what being a christian is...abusing children! These priests should have their balls cut off, and then thrown into jail! its always the assholes that ruin it for the rest of us catholics!
As of 2007, the Roman Catholic Church paid out over $615 million dollars (and climbing close to the one billion mark since then) to settle court cases on sex abuse cases by the "bone smokers" and "rump rangers" (a.k.a. Pedophile Priests) that they deliberately protected for years from civil prosecution and the reason why they have been forced to close down school's and churche's and sell them off at bargain price's to settle these lawsuit's throughout the U.S.A. "
believe it or not!!! i had some lost moron clown who sent me a message saying that the pope does not tolerate sexual abuse towards children.. he says that the church will excommunicate them on the spot and that the church does not put up with that kind of behavior ,,, do you believe that some people live still believing in santa clause... wake up dark mine boy,,, there is over 6000 of these pedophile priest molosting kids rite now!!! just in the good old U.S.A
Lo que es increible es que aunque ya todo mundo sabe de esto sigan existiendo las escuelas de los legionarios (Anahuac, oxford, highlands etc) en las que solo se enriquece más a estos abusivos y se fomenta una iglesia para "gente nice"
if we can get over one million signatures that tesifies to the fact of sexuak abuse,, it can be taken to CONGRESS... LET GET THESES MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!
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The pope already commented on those priests that did such a thing. If the Pope finds out of such a priest, that priest will be excommunicated on the spot. We won't tolerate such behavior in the Catholic Church.
"You will know them by their fruits..."While I have never personally met Fr. Maciel I can testify to the fruits that I have seen namely thousands of new preists at the service of humanity, personal conversions, programs oriented solely to assisting those who suffer with material and spiritual poverty. Personally, the words of Fr. Maciel have helped me find peace and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I have seen only good fruits; I can only judge what I have seen as all else is uncertain
I totally agree with you!! This church has harmed enough through centuries and decades and now it still continues doing it!! Specially its discrimination agains different sexualities and against women!!
Is it true? can people be soooo easily led? who buys this nonsence? If you honestly believe this nonsense is real, a trip to your family GP should give u a new perspective to guide your future thinking! If u CAN think at all. so many people make huge amounts of money out of insecure and confused people! Don't be one of them! seek support groups from your condition. We ALL know when things arn't right!
Even if some of the accusations of Fr. Maciel are true, it does not make him an evil man, though such acts are immoral. Even people who love God can fall morally to a greater or lesser extent.
The Legionaries of Christ and Regnum Christi do good work. People want to tear him down since they think that by doing that it discredits those organizations and/or the Catholic Church. But that is an illogical jump to make.
No where does it say Maciel was evil -only Satan is evil, just terribly flawed:he was a pedophile or a homosexual sex abuser who took advantage of his office and power to sexually abuse his seminarians; when the Legion, the Regnum Christ and supporters like yourself cannot accept that fact someting is amiss. Archbishop O'Brien of Baltimore has said so much in his recent message to the Legion and the Regnum.
What I have a problem with is the documentary putting a subtle- sometimes not so subtle- negative spin on the organizations. I think that if you're doing a real documentary, a more balanced perspective needs to be present with both sides able to speak. Father Maciel was disciplined and there is an implicit acknowlegement of the wrong done. I think that all this should have been exposed twenty years ago and dealt with.
That is a ridiculous assertion. Not all documentaries start with a news organization-like standard of balance. Documentaries can be as subjective as the documentarian wants them to be. He is voicing opposition to Maciel and he can present it in any way he likes. Where did you see the director of this film claim that he is making a completely balanced presentation? You didn't because he never said so. This is a great documentary.
que triste que gente tan ignorante pierda su tiempo subiendo tonterias a internet, conozco perfecto a Elizabeth Kunze y es la persona mas feliz!!! que tonterias de verdad, mejor ponganse a leer y a estudiar ingles antes de subir tanta tonteria
El documental esta finalmente a la venta. El avance que vi me dio la impresion de ser un documental profesionalmente elaborado y documentado. No es un secreto que los Legionarios se han dedicado a labores buenas para la sociedad y tambien a llevar la palabra de Dios "a la gente bonita". Los seminaristas estan muy escogiditos: guapos, de piel clara, muy presentables ante familias adineradas, vestidos con trajes de marca. Esa aura de misterio creada alrededor de Maciel fue facilitada por ayudantes
Por fin se denuncian los crímenes cometidos por una parte muy pequeña de la iglesia, una comunidad sectaria quien se dice católica de la cual el guru esta acusado desde hace años, pero los succesores de Pablo han rechazado sus votos y dejado de la mano de Dios a los feligreses.
Pero que hacen los de la Compania de Jesus para que esos derivos y desvios se acaben ya de una santa vez.
It is so sad that these priests get away with victimizing innocent children, raising tons of money to cover up their crimes, and brainwashing women to believe that the priesthood is all powerful and all holy. I think this is a very important documentary about the church's darkest hour. It should be shown in all the major Catholic cities in our country. The footage of the pope blessing the pedophile is most disturbing.
A igreja católica tem um organismo no mundo inteiro, chamado "conselho presbiteral" que sempre lavou a roupa suja do clero dentro de casa baseado no segredo de confessionário. O problema, agora, é que, as vítimas estão tendo coragem de falar e a igreja já não pode lavar esse tipo de roupa suja internamente por se tratar de crime. Claro que todos sabiam e agora são obrigados a denunciar.
pardetoledo 5 months ago
The Ratzinger clip is taken out of context. It has been well attested that Ratzinger was the biggest opponent of Maciel in the Vatican and had urged the Pope to confront him. The only reason why he was angered was because the journalist was harassing him.
lomconorbaker 5 months ago
@lomconorbaker Exactly, one only needs to witness how upset Papa Ratzinger gets to see how he feels.
Ohyewildthong 5 months ago
This is proof of the fruits of Vatican II.
Vatican II is trying to destroy the Church. From within and through its outside reputation.
The true Church is alive in the Traditional Latin Rite which does not follow Vatican II and and the Novus Ordo.
There are a few other independent groups, however the one I finally found is so genuine and reverent to the unchanging doctrines of Christ's Church.
Email me please, I can find a real Mass near your area. BVM.pray4us@writeme.com
Don't lose hope in Her.
DoctrineNever2Change 6 months ago
catholicabusesurvivorsni---this order was founded by father marcial maciel a prince of darkness who raped his own children and catholic priests, as well as children he fathered also he made 20,billion for the pope who heads an unbiblical church
SuperSurvivor777 8 months ago
sickening.....the Legion of Christ needs to be dissolved......that whole order is weird.a total turn off.
CELIBERICO 9 months ago
Child molestation is a body function. If you are against it, you are against the creator of that body function. The evil is not in the molestation but in the definition of the word "molestation". The definition bans a body function that is NOT going to go away simply because some stupid old fat religious leaders of the past found it profitable to ban children's body functions. Banning a body function is not like banning murder or theft. It's purpose is to create endless guilt and donations.
1emanres 9 months ago
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CHILD SEX INDICTMENTS PLAGUE ORTHODOX JUDAISM
By Rev. Ted Pike
New York journalist and attorney Michael Lesher says, “A certain amount of sexual deviance is going to be found in any society. What is really shocking is the extent of license that’s been extended to these people to victimize children and if you are a pedophile, the Orthodox Jewish Community is one of the best places you can be”
Amy Neustein-Tempest in the Temple:
“What outrages me is the Cover-up by its leaders of the crimes'
StSimonMartyr 4 months ago
os legionários de cristo é uma obra de deus. devemo-nos mortificar pelo passado e que os sacerdotes dos legionários sejam santos e as consagradas amem deus.
o papa não escondeu nada... o que está em causa é como intepretamos...
irolga1 10 months ago
@irolga1 Escondeu sim. A igreja não revela segredos dos "conselhos presbiterais". Desta vez é crime porque a relação homossexual é exercida encima de adolescentes e a igreja não tem mais como lavar esse tipo de roupa suja dentro de casa. As vítimas estão tendo a coragem de falar, de denunciar. Por ser crime a igreja é obrigada a entregar ao braço secular um problema que procurou resolver internamente. Tudo tem a ver com a interação entre o segredo de confessionário e o conselho presbiteral.
pardetoledo 5 months ago
@pardetoledo é verdade que escondeu e não devemos esconder o que foi feito. a igreja apenas "escondeu" pois eram assuntos internos que deviam ser resolvidos por pessoas eclesiásticas competendes e não por um individuo qualquer. por esse motivo é que foi feito o que se fez. o objecto não era aumenttar o problema mas ser resolvido por pessoas internas. esperemos que as autoridades sejam correctas na investigação.
irolga1 5 months ago
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Vows of celebacy + Neuroplasticity = Sexual desire for children.
Sexual traumatization by priests + The compulsion to repeat one's trauma = Victims of abuse become the next generation of priests.
Dissociation of shame related to the trauma as a victim = Inability to feel sufficiently guilty about victimization of others.
Desire to role reverse victimization + Dissociated guilt = Epidemic of sexual abuse.
this religion is fucked beyond repair. this religion should be illegal by law.
PhuTube714 11 months ago
SLAP!
merryprankster60 11 months ago
vatican protected nazis also
stefanobahia 11 months ago
The accusations went public few years ago. Ok. But, church is not a place for gossips, they had to discuss it really deeply and get to know every source. It is not a work for a week. And i let you know that Maciel was sent by the pope for 2 years bannition before he died so that they clearly got to know everything about that case.
kikivanille 1 year ago
Oh my God, I know that Elisabeth.
kikivanille 1 year ago
danger0usknowledge 1 year ago
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MrLetaanis 1 year ago
Ratzinger protected him
doncoro 1 year ago
@doncoro Bullshit. After allegations were brought against Maciel, Cardinal Ratzinger was prevented from pursuing an investigation by a certain Cardinal Sodano. Sodano, who was Ratzinger's superior, basically told Cardinal Ratinger not to touch Maciel. This when on for some months, before Cardinal Ratinzer broke rank with Sodano and went ahead on his own with an investigation, and that led to Maciel being removed from active ministry.
newrev9er 1 year ago
@doncoro Also, even after Cardinal Ratzinger had had him removed from minstry, Carindal Sodano (and others) continued to obfuscate the case, preventing further action from being taken against the criminal. I'm happy Maciel is finally known for the dirtbag he was, but to try to somehow pin the blame for his streak of crimes of Cardinal Ratzinger is ludicrous! If it weren't for Cardinal Ratzinger, those other old frat boy Cardinals would have happily kept Maciel around.
newrev9er 1 year ago
@newrev9er
Being such an important person before becoming Pope, even against the opposition of Sodano (a famous protector of pedofiles) Ratzinger should have publicly denounced what was happening with Maciel.
I´m sure John Paul II would have reacted swiftly (at least to avoid ruining even more the already decayed reputation of the Holy See)
I have lost my admiration for the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.
doncoro 1 year ago
@doncoro You're missing the point. It wasn't clear "what was happening with Maciel." All they had were accusations, there was nothing for Ratinzger to denounce. Ratzinger wanted to act on the accusations, to discover the truth, and Cardinal Sodano prevented him- up to the point that Ratzinger got fed up with Sodanos antics and went ahead with an investigation on his own! And when he found evidence that the accusations were substantial (not conclusive evidence, mind) he acted as best he could
newrev9er 1 year ago
@newrev9er
I´ve listened to the victims declarations and it seems Maciel´s crimes went public a long time ago.
My english writing isn´t good enough to describe all the sick details that are available in spanish.
doncoro 1 year ago
@doncoro Yes, the vicitims went public with their *accusations* a long time ago. But accusations are not necessarily always true (although they turned out to be very true this time). As I've said, Ratzinger saw what the accusations included, wanted to investigate these claims and discover if they were truthful. Sodano didn't like that idea and stopped him (until, as I keep saying, Ratzinger just ignored Sodano and went ahead on his own).
btw: Your english seems fine to me :) no worries
newrev9er 1 year ago
@newrev9er
I think that one big step ahead will be making celibacy an optional thing.
Priesthood is a huge closet for lots of gays that don´t have the guts to openly accept their homosexuality.
They know homosexuality is wrong and try to find a lifestyle with no sex.
That´s impossible and many eventually end up molesting altarboys.
These crimes are very rare in the Orthodox Church, wher most of the priest are married.
Respetuosos saludos para ti !
doncoro 1 year ago
@doncoro Actually, I agree with you there :) All in God's time, I guess.
Merry Christmas!
newrev9er 1 year ago
"The alleged abuses came to light during an eight-month Vatican investigation into the Legionaries of Christ, a secretive religious order beloved by Pope John Paul II but now discredited because of revelations that its charismatic founder sexually abused seminarians and fathered at least three children."
RachaeLeNoire 1 year ago
ferg3111 no me vayas a querer convencer que los judios fueron los que le empujaban las nalgas a Maciel para penetrar a sus victimas
mochamochos 1 year ago
hijo de puta se debe podrir eln el infierno si existe Dios ese animal debe de rendir cuentas despues de muerto maldito
MrInfante48 1 year ago
porque no dicen tambien , que esta difamacion al padre, nace o se promueve porque el padre señalo que: los JUDIOS se estan entrometiendo en la iglesia catolica y que la estan destruyendo por dentro... y fue por eso toda esta intensa e insesante difamacion en contra del padre Maciel, porque tocó y señaló lo que hacen los tantaculos de los "elegidos"
ferg3111 1 year ago
@ferg3111 Mas bien los tentaculos eran los de el que tocaban los testiculos de adolecentes
jpdt007 1 year ago
Sickening.
Religion ruins everything.
DeSwiss 1 year ago
The responsibility for the horror of thousands of children being raped for centuries goes not only to the offending priests and the hierarchy of the church who concealed the horror. The worst offender is the omniscient, the omnipotent, the omnipresent, the merciful, GOD for allowing this tragedy.
lc237 1 year ago
check out "Letter from God" by Scroobius Pip
wonbadood 1 year ago
Very important film - deserving of every award it has received. Thank you.
PressPlay2Go 1 year ago 2
Maciel ran a very wealthy & orthodox cult & was addicted to
freaking morphine? "First Things", described by Andrew Sullivan as
a theocon-RNC journal defended Maciel to the end after 50 yrs of
accusations & an even longer history. Imagine Jeb Bush, Michael Bennet,
Michael Novak & the RNC feasting on the millions the Legion
of Christ was handing out to buy protection for the Church &
for Maciel.Never wonder how Bush 43 got elected?
Pope Benedict never took the money & finally got
rid of him.
danger0usknowledge 1 year ago
@danger0usknowledge, Correction:
Make that Jeb Bush, Bob Bennett & Robert Novak
doing all that fund raising for the Legion and for
the apoligist RNC rag, First Things.
danger0usknowledge 1 year ago 2
After all this, if you still defend the catholic church you must work for them. Nobody with ANY common sense would still be that naive.
bones22j 1 year ago 2
@bones22j Should you not defend the USA because of Benedict Arnold? or because of Ted Bundy? That would be the real naivete.
anduruco 1 year ago
fuck thes dogs !
colindres 1 year ago 2
when Christ said (if he really said it) "let the children cometh to me" it wasn't meant that way Holy Lolly's... ¬¬
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
The true Catholic Church is in eclipse, it has been usurped by homosexuals, Freemasons, and communists since the death of Pope Pius XII. It has been infiltrated since the early 20's when thousands of communists were unleashed into the seminaries masquerading as "priests" which then ascended into the hierarchy. The Church you see is an "ape" of the Church that Christ established. You folks who (rightly) condemn the actions of these phony clergy are condemning impostors. They are not Catholic.
kstewskis 1 year ago
2:05 - 2 :10 ...he actually slaps the reporters hand...
alkhami1 1 year ago
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Theocracy must die. Religion should NEVER have been used as a tool to CONTROL and KILL people using faith.
Thus, Catholic Church MUST DIE, and Islam's Teaching MUST ALSO DIE.
God will survive in your own Hearts. You don't need other human beings to interpret for you. Just read any holybooks, not just ONE holybook. Let your heart guide you. NOT any mere MORTALS.
Judgement days are coming... to Vatican will be destroyed FIRST, THEN Islam, i.e. all THOSE Pedophiles & such worshippers !
AzerChristians 1 year ago
Incredible! So unfair to the church! For 14 centuries they have burnt people alive, assassinated innocents and, worst of all, destroyed a good portion of classical art and philosophy. And now they are put in the spotlight only because a few priests have done a few kids! Like that was a big crime! Hypocrites, bastards, idiots!
stevelandy 1 year ago
stevelandy- look what you have written: "And now they are put in the spotlight ONLY because a few priests have done a few kids." are you being sarcastic, I couldn't tell?
I am a Roman Catholic, this is an outrage and I am glad it is finally exposed. It wasn't a few priests or a few kids, it is hundereds, probably thousands of priests and certainly thousands of children that were raped. And the Church now feels attacked?
These priests represent Christ, what do you think Jesus is thinking?
mysticalHeir 1 year ago
The Nazis abused of mankind for only 13 years and now it is illegal to support them, sometimes even to mention them positively. The church as abused of mankind for 13 centuries. Pedophilia is, compared to the huge list of crimes committed by your Church over the centuries, a minor, even irrelevant charge. You guys should be congratulated for having come such a long way in the diminish of the quantity and types of crimes you are now committing, compared to what it used to be. Well done!
stevelandy 1 year ago
@stevelandy we're not in disagreement, I am furious with the crimes of the Catholic Clergy and further furious at their lack of response to the exposed crimes, I think that the Church should be held responsible for the crimes.
mysticalHeir 1 year ago
i had sex witha a catholic priest too when i was a kid and i loved it.
it just felt so good havin that nice hard throbbing cock in my tight asshole and swallowing all his sweet hot cum i had my first orgasm during that
now i'm trying to become a priest myself so i can give other boys the same pleasure.
god bless
RappoldXJay 1 year ago
omg WTF pope attack!!!
2:08!!!
alx90x 1 year ago
The church is sick from its alpha to its omega. Pull it down and use the resources for schools and hospitals.
grenangle 1 year ago 3
men kissing men,,, i guess its ok if your catholic just like ass raping little boys, I didnt think any religion could sink lower than jews, Gratz to the catholic SCUM!!
tutoch 1 year ago
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The Catholic Church is being purified by all these scandals... bettter to find out the truth, aknowledge it, ask for forgiveness, be supportive to those who have been harmed and make sure that things don't happen again..
33agnusdei 1 year ago
For the catholic church to be purified you would have to destroy it and not start again.
"supportive of those harmed" yeah that's how the church does it. NOT.
grenangle 1 year ago
Hope you rot in hell, Maciel... Fortunately i´m a freethinker and none of that heaven-hell crap has a meaning to me...but i´m sure that there is a horrible place for you right now... disgusting scumbag.
AlexMD242 1 year ago 12
Propongo elevar nuestras oraciones a la Bendita imagen del proximo santo Marcial Maciel, patrono de pedofilos, violadores y pederastas.
Darklordkai2 1 year ago 3
Let's be honest! Men who like to dress up in pink satin, red velvet and lace, covered with gold and jewels? Plus they don't want to be involved with members of the opposite sex! It is NOT NORMAL!!!!
If we all did that, human life would end! There would be no one left to worship GOD! No one to sing pretty little songs to him on Sundays!
There is something wrong with these people! No?
Just be a good person, and treat others like you'd like to be treated! That's it! Forget the fucking church!
rabbie1121 2 years ago 6
If those of you going to church tonight or in the morning take a stand When you first get there in the first 5 to 10 mins of the priests speaking stand up and scream out why are there so many pedophile priests inside the church's??? You need to take a stand to wake others up to what's going on with your church and how you can protect the kids in it!
marxbroths 2 years ago
anybody know where you can see this film for free on the internet its looks really good it look likes soemthign alot of people need to see so they can learn from it and start to think diff from the church
marxbroths 2 years ago 2
Maybe he was corrupted by demons
AdmiralThrawn000 2 years ago
the fucks are still conducting business as usual,, no remorse,,, they are still the largest investors in war armements. those stocks are nt cheap... but they buy and buy because they still make their money with war
7777luckboy 2 years ago
Maciel is like Escriva (founder of OpusDei): a cult figure & demi god. THEY are the focus of adoriation & loyalty, not God. Ditto for the hiearchy & Vatican organization; so this is not surprising.
Both of them had many of the classic characteristics of the possessed...not of saintly founders of orders. Violent rage, S&M/D&S mentality, Cognitive DIssonance in justifying abuse.....it all fits.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Not sure u can lump both of these folks together.
I have been Catholic for years and have never met anyone giving these folks "adoriation & loyalty, not God. Ditto for the hiearchy & Vatican organization;"
I think u are making this up.
jswranch 2 years ago
The Vatican has played a bait & switch for centuries, substituting itself for Christ - and positing the clergy, hierarchy & organization as the object of loyalty & veneration. There is plenty of evidence online in Catholic sites which prove this.
That Maciel & Escriva followed similar megalomaniacal, & abusive patterns comes as no surprise. They learned that in the clerical establishment.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Of course the church that Jesus Christ established is due loyalty, veneration, and obedience. Would you not honor (venerate) peter and paul and obey them? Then why would you not venerate their successors as empowered by the holy spirit? I fear you have accepted a new gospel, invented by men in the 16th century, that denies the work of the holy spirit in the church.
You may want to find an argument against the 'meglomania' of Escriva that does not also equally condemn Peter and Paul.
jswranch 2 years ago
NO - God is the only object of loyalty & veneration. Christ made that clear in the Gospel.
A look at the popes will show that VERY FEW OF THEM were even decent human beings. So much for the influence of the Spirit on them...
The Church abandoned the Holy Spirit when it sold itself to Mammon in the 4th century, skewing into a horrid trajectory away from the Gospel.
Peter & Paul were saints.
Escriva was from hell itself.
19lfm12 2 years ago
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There is no salvation outside the Church of Rome. You just accused the Church of failing when Christ promised that it could not.,
fizmath 2 years ago
1. EENS = denial of the power of the Holy Ghost & attempts to replace Christ (the Way, Truth & Life) with a man-made entity.
2. There are many sins which the Church Administrators can be justly accused of:
a) utterly failing to evangelize as Christ taught
b) ignoring what He taught the Apostles about wordly goods.
c) forcing ppl to convert by torture, imprisonment, execution, Inquisition, persecution, and the 'convert for food' mode of proselytism.
...shall I continue? It's a long list.
19lfm12 2 years ago
@fizmath : HAHAHAHAHA THAT´S THE STUPIDEST THING I´VE EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE.... HAHAHAHAHAHA
AlexMD242 1 year ago
Peter & Paul were genuine saints; Escriva was from hell itself. Ditto Maciel.
As the Church sold itself to Mammon in the 4th century, it skewed off onto a horrific tangent away from the Gospel & Christ. The Spirit was ignored.
Very few of the popes were even decent human beings - much less 'the work of the holy spirit'.
The sole object of veneration is God. Not a man, men, or an earthly organization. Never was; never will be. Christ made that very clear.
19lfm12 2 years ago
"Peter & Paul were genuine saints" oh the lols. It is all bullshit and will get the respect it deserves. Fuck all.
grenangle 1 year ago
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please go to my page and look up my playlist for pedophile priests then you will see who's making what up here
marxbroths 2 years ago
Personality cults are a very dangerous thing. The Legion built so much of its formation on the "example" and writings of Maciel. I left after 3 months and 1 day of novitiate. I looked around and thought something wasn't right. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I don't think Jesus intended his people to look like zombies. It is hard to explain, but if you have ever been to an LC/RC house,or event, you know what I mean.
mrsgarrettrocks 2 years ago 19
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i was also in the Legion, but for four years at an apostolic school, and the novitiate for three months. I can say that the personality cult has, of course, died completely in the Legion, and it had started to die just before marcial did. I just wish we had found out earlier. But I have nothing against the Legion, or the pope, or anyone...except marcial.
jbenvenga 2 years ago
@mrsgarrettrocks I KNOW what you mean, I studied at one of their universities in mexico... it was pure horror at the highest levels of authority. Teachers and fellow students were great though.
bahsura 1 year ago
Don't worry, God is good; He loves His church and has promised us that the gates of hell will not prevail against it. And the legion/rc is truly a cult conceived in hell that is trying to destroy the church!
spacecase7000 2 years ago
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"...He agradecido cordialmente al Santo Padre esta ulterior ayuda que nos ofrece para afrontar las actuales vicisitudes relacionadas con los hechos graves en la vida de nuestro padre fundador que ya fueron objeto de las investigaciones de la Congregación de la Doctrina de la Fe concluidas en mayo de 2006, y los que han salido a la luz más recientemente. Estamos profundamente apenados y pedimos sincero perdón a Dios y a quienes hayan sido lastimados por este motivo... "
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cuquio78 2 years ago
how can we believe this....or anything that we hear. it's so strange, it's hard to trust anyone right now. we really looked to him as a god!
marchbday1 2 years ago
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do not put yourself in God's position he is the only who can judge not you.
if you lose respect for priest you will lose respect for the church and at the end to dear God .
pzbloz 2 years ago
I believe in no gods and respect no priests. They must be judged by us as we judge ourselves.
grenangle 1 year ago 2
dirty priest...its a sacralidge to be a priest paedophile! Thats not what being a christian is...abusing children! These priests should have their balls cut off, and then thrown into jail! its always the assholes that ruin it for the rest of us catholics!
cks125 2 years ago 4
As of 2007, the Roman Catholic Church paid out over $615 million dollars (and climbing close to the one billion mark since then) to settle court cases on sex abuse cases by the "bone smokers" and "rump rangers" (a.k.a. Pedophile Priests) that they deliberately protected for years from civil prosecution and the reason why they have been forced to close down school's and churche's and sell them off at bargain price's to settle these lawsuit's throughout the U.S.A. "
ciro9 2 years ago 3
Southpark did a great episode on this very issue - you should watch it.
Southpark editaron una episoda sobre esto mismo tema - merece verlo.
GlobalSufi 2 years ago
believe it or not!!! i had some lost moron clown who sent me a message saying that the pope does not tolerate sexual abuse towards children.. he says that the church will excommunicate them on the spot and that the church does not put up with that kind of behavior ,,, do you believe that some people live still believing in santa clause... wake up dark mine boy,,, there is over 6000 of these pedophile priest molosting kids rite now!!! just in the good old U.S.A
7777luckboy 2 years ago 3
Lo que es increible es que aunque ya todo mundo sabe de esto sigan existiendo las escuelas de los legionarios (Anahuac, oxford, highlands etc) en las que solo se enriquece más a estos abusivos y se fomenta una iglesia para "gente nice"
pacheighties 2 years ago 4
if we can get over one million signatures that tesifies to the fact of sexuak abuse,, it can be taken to CONGRESS... LET GET THESES MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!
7777luckboy 3 years ago 2
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watch?v=srmnaM-w92Y
The pope already commented on those priests that did such a thing. If the Pope finds out of such a priest, that priest will be excommunicated on the spot. We won't tolerate such behavior in the Catholic Church.
joeb0 3 years ago
sorry that is not true unfortunately
dmajorhiphopproducer 2 years ago
viva cristo rey
visivo123 3 years ago
How the church deals with these issues is appalling, im beyond lapsed...how do i get my name scrubbed from the book??
1 ex Catholic
Davidparle71 3 years ago 3
"You will know them by their fruits..."While I have never personally met Fr. Maciel I can testify to the fruits that I have seen namely thousands of new preists at the service of humanity, personal conversions, programs oriented solely to assisting those who suffer with material and spiritual poverty. Personally, the words of Fr. Maciel have helped me find peace and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I have seen only good fruits; I can only judge what I have seen as all else is uncertain
tkcgirl18 3 years ago
fr Maciel was a downright scoundrel but maybe he was a great entrepreneur too
and a great deceiver of innocent Catholics who are satisfied with shallow spirituality and statistics
irishmexican43 2 years ago 3
es que toda la gente en la iglesia es idiota?
como pudieron defender a un pedofilo como maciel?? en que pensaban??
maryvampiregirl666 3 years ago
The vatican is like a cancer in the church. It is a corrupt institution, very far from the teachins of Jesus.
diego4407 3 years ago 6
Is visible the reaction of the pope, very unpolite, rude. This is enought for me to believe that catholic church is a mafia.
Lucita3 3 years ago
I totally agree with you!! This church has harmed enough through centuries and decades and now it still continues doing it!! Specially its discrimination agains different sexualities and against women!!
islamacros 3 years ago
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CRISTO REY NUESTRO
VENGA TU REINO!!!!!!!!!
Q viva los Legionarios de Cristo :)
palmxhector 3 years ago
Is it true? can people be soooo easily led? who buys this nonsence? If you honestly believe this nonsense is real, a trip to your family GP should give u a new perspective to guide your future thinking! If u CAN think at all. so many people make huge amounts of money out of insecure and confused people! Don't be one of them! seek support groups from your condition. We ALL know when things arn't right!
lazerath123 3 years ago
lies
tomasmk 3 years ago
God bless YouTube
migdez 3 years ago
Good documentary. It shows how a good entreprenuer and business man Marcial Maciel was. An also how disturbed (sexually and morally) he was.
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catholicgroupwatch 3 years ago
This is a misleading and one-sided presentation.
Even if some of the accusations of Fr. Maciel are true, it does not make him an evil man, though such acts are immoral. Even people who love God can fall morally to a greater or lesser extent.
The Legionaries of Christ and Regnum Christi do good work. People want to tear him down since they think that by doing that it discredits those organizations and/or the Catholic Church. But that is an illogical jump to make.
StellaMarisSalveRegi 3 years ago
AveMarisStella
perhaps it is just a side that balances your side
No where does it say Maciel was evil -only Satan is evil, just terribly flawed:he was a pedophile or a homosexual sex abuser who took advantage of his office and power to sexually abuse his seminarians; when the Legion, the Regnum Christ and supporters like yourself cannot accept that fact someting is amiss. Archbishop O'Brien of Baltimore has said so much in his recent message to the Legion and the Regnum.
irishmexican43 3 years ago 2
What I have a problem with is the documentary putting a subtle- sometimes not so subtle- negative spin on the organizations. I think that if you're doing a real documentary, a more balanced perspective needs to be present with both sides able to speak. Father Maciel was disciplined and there is an implicit acknowlegement of the wrong done. I think that all this should have been exposed twenty years ago and dealt with.
StellaMarisSalveRegi 3 years ago
That is a ridiculous assertion. Not all documentaries start with a news organization-like standard of balance. Documentaries can be as subjective as the documentarian wants them to be. He is voicing opposition to Maciel and he can present it in any way he likes. Where did you see the director of this film claim that he is making a completely balanced presentation? You didn't because he never said so. This is a great documentary.
wongkar 3 years ago
que triste que gente tan ignorante pierda su tiempo subiendo tonterias a internet, conozco perfecto a Elizabeth Kunze y es la persona mas feliz!!! que tonterias de verdad, mejor ponganse a leer y a estudiar ingles antes de subir tanta tonteria
letymtz 3 years ago
El documental esta finalmente a la venta. El avance que vi me dio la impresion de ser un documental profesionalmente elaborado y documentado. No es un secreto que los Legionarios se han dedicado a labores buenas para la sociedad y tambien a llevar la palabra de Dios "a la gente bonita". Los seminaristas estan muy escogiditos: guapos, de piel clara, muy presentables ante familias adineradas, vestidos con trajes de marca. Esa aura de misterio creada alrededor de Maciel fue facilitada por ayudantes
migdez 3 years ago
It's about time that the Roman Catholic Church was dismantled!
fRANCE033 3 years ago
LOL. Just try my friend, just try. I promise you will not succeed.
1SPQR1 3 years ago 3
Catholics are scary b/c their whole history is about abuse and coverup.
paisleyyama 3 years ago
Por fin se denuncian los crímenes cometidos por una parte muy pequeña de la iglesia, una comunidad sectaria quien se dice católica de la cual el guru esta acusado desde hace años, pero los succesores de Pablo han rechazado sus votos y dejado de la mano de Dios a los feligreses.
Pero que hacen los de la Compania de Jesus para que esos derivos y desvios se acaben ya de una santa vez.
Parentaleuropa 3 years ago
This looks amazing. I can't wait to see the results of such exhaustive, important research.
drlocrian 3 years ago 3
Can't wait to see the documentary. The good men and women there need to be liberated from this corrupt organization.
carragheresque 3 years ago 3
It is so sad that these priests get away with victimizing innocent children, raising tons of money to cover up their crimes, and brainwashing women to believe that the priesthood is all powerful and all holy. I think this is a very important documentary about the church's darkest hour. It should be shown in all the major Catholic cities in our country. The footage of the pope blessing the pedophile is most disturbing.
beatrixxy 3 years ago 2
how can i download the documentary?
decodgiust 3 years ago