Germany bombed London BACK - long time, before your fine Britsh friends had started bombing Germany.
I RECOMMEND YOU LEARN THE BASICS OF HISTORY, MISTER OLBERMANN. Especially the history of your own criminal grandfathers, who systemetically burnt and buried 1 Million children and women alive in German cities. Also notice how Roosevelt ordered American battle-ships to attack German ships in Sepy 1941 - the Germans declared war BACK on America months later.
England had already started the bombardment of German cities in 1939:.
05.Sep.1939: British RAF bombs Wilhelmshaven and Cuxhaven.
12.Jan.1940: British bomb attacks on Westerland/Sylt.
20.March.1940: British bombers attack Kiel and Hoernum on Sylt with incendiary bombs. Direct hit on a military hospital.
11.May.1940: After Churchill became on 10 May PrimeMinister, he ordered, without informing the public, immediately the beginning of the bomb offensive against the German civilian population.
At 3:40 he says "The Germans did it first" , and he takes the bombs on London in Sept. 1940 as "proof".
What Mister Olbertmann does not say, is that the British Empire not only started war on Germany, but the British started bombing Germany on Sep. 5th , by attacking the Geman cities of Cuxhaven and Wilhelmshaven. This was ONE YEAR before the Germans bombed London back.
Olbermann is a fucking idiot. Or maybe he is just another of these stupid Americans who are anti-german haters?
So because Churchill's extermination plans were stopped by others, this makes this wicked man's intentions ALRIGHT?
Wow, Olbie.....what a fucking idiot you are. Could it be you are complex-ridden, because you have a German family name , and try to please the Fatlanders and island-apes? (Thats my names for Americans and British's)
So anotherwords olbermann, when things get really really really really really bad, and al qaeda is attacking the US home soil on a daily basis, then its okay to torture?
I think the British government bombed Berlin two times before the German government bombed London. Hitler, that great humanitarian--Sarcasm, did not want to kill British civilians.
@randeroid Actually the reason the Berlin - London bombing raids started, is due to a bombing error, where a couple of German bombers dropped bombs on northeast London by mistake. This made the British government decide to launch a bombing run on Berlin a few days later. But yes, the British did bomb Berlin (only once) before the Luftwaffe ran their own bomb run over London. So, the British were the first to bomb Berlin by plan, the Germans first by mistake.
Part II: 4 Sep Hitler gives speech that implies that previous Luftwaffe bombings were not aimed at civilians and that the August 25th RAF bombing was aimed at civilians
6 Sep RAF bombs Berlin
7 Sep Luftwaffe begins London blitz
I am confident that your references refer to the accidental bombing of NE London a few days before the RAF started bombing Berlin. The above reference does not mention it. I would be interested in your dates and combining them with these.
Churchill was an outstanding speaker and so is Obama, but keeping the Nazis off the beaches required more than fine speeches. Churchills had to use the skills from a lifetime of experience win WW2. Whilst American believes Obama can be a great leader, this remains unproven. In my new book (on Amazon), Churchills Secret Skills I have identified a number of Churchills hidden talents. I even uncovered a memo from Churchill that proves he would have probably liked Obama, its in the book.
I'm sorry but this is reality. If you think you can get information from people by asking them nicely and saying "pretty please" then your full of it.......Waterboarding is necessary to get the intelligence needed. Screw what anyone thinks about anything, you will get absolutely NOWHERE by talking to someone....this is all stupid, and people need to stop being little girls and get $hit done.
So all these people need to stop caring about comparisons of things and look at it how it is.
The chief CIA interrogator Ali Soufan testifies that actionable intelligence for the arrest of Khalid Sheik Mohammed from Abu Zabayda was acquired without torture.
Ali claims that Waterboarding is torture and that acquisition of effective intell was hampered after suspects were water boarded.
Cheney was looking for a link that did not exist and hence wanted someone to confess to a link between al-qaeda and Saddam.
Not a single actionable intel was obtained from this barbaric technique.
1)Churchill did want to use a poison gas (lethal or non lethal) on the Germans and was stopped
2)The RAF did in fact kill civilians in non-military sites
3)There were centers where prisoners were beaten and sleep deprived, and if that's going on one can guess death threats in interrogation centers done by the British
4)The center at Nenndorf was established after Churchill left power
Now, didn't both Oberman and O'Reily agree on the above? I'm so confused...
That's the point. Obama was accurate on that. He was pushed, yes, his country had been bombed but he did not torture. It's not about what he wanted, it's what he did. That is why Churchill was great.
Cheney is a fraud, a liar and a barbaric moron who used 9/11 as an excuse to torture people and invade iraq. This was crazy. Point is Obama was correct so O'Reilly should not be saying on live TV that Obama's example is wrong.
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Its unfortunate that American news programmes have to spend a great deal of time correcting other broadcasters. But I am glad they did! Bill OReilly is a moron. No wonder the world view of America is one of dumb rednecks if you allow an ignorant and self righteous dick, such as Mr. OReilly to pass himself off as a journalist on a major news network! Thank god for the BBC. Oh and SKEAZdotCOM - people from the UK can comment on this discussion because Churchill was a hero. Oh and BRITISH!
I only changed my vote for Obama after finding that Fox News attacked the Dave Stewart American Prayer video with a bogus heresy claim from the vatican. The Karl Rove crew on Fox News are the real blasphemers, since they posted a false image of Obama as Christ for their discussion. Still I had no idea that Fox News had stooped to nazi apologists attacking Churchill for ratings. They have discovered a new human low.
Now I see why no one watches msnbc. This guy should learn to get to the point and move along. His 10 minute rant makes him appear desperate and boring.... and plus attacking their competitors isn't NEWS... no one really cares and I'm pretty sure O'Reilly doesn't either. Right or wrong MSBNC can't seem to get viewers so they end up looking like angry ankle biters attacking the big boys.
No, I don't mean "oversimplify" and judging by your attempt at logic I'm pretty sure you're not qualified to demonstrate what I mean. I'm also not a brand of public interest that defines my OPINIONS as "news". They literally pull less viewers than the home shopping network (which speaks for itself). Now, remind me again why people from the UK belong in this discussion..... oh, that's right, you don't!
It's just Bill-O The Clown making himself look like a fucktard as usual. Why would this dumb bozo who makes Marist College, Boston U, and Harvard want to cringe and hurl vomit every time he puts his empty mug on TV and speak. He's hardly one to try and match wits with scholar like Barack Obama especially when I've seen high school kids totally own this assclown on the issues. He needs to face what he is, a stupid partisan dickwad on a rogue propaganda network, and AM radio mouth piece.
wat ?!? lol the US didnt gas the japanese .. lol.. but you NUKED them.... TWO cities. killing civilians.. and the US and British CARPET BOMBED the Germans. completely destroying cities. seriously.. dont make it sound like you guys played by the "rules". Everyone does everything they can to win if they have to.
It still doesn't change the fact that Bill-O The Clown is a lying sack of shit on a rogue propaganda network poorly trying to disguise itself as a news channel. Douchebag Bill outright LIED! I'm sure that you watch FIX News Channel so you hear the lies on a minute by minute basis. Again the subject is about that assclown being a liar to try and justify torture and counterpoint the President. Bill-O The Clown simply made himself look like the fucktard he is.
I'm no fan at all of FUX News and neocon scum, but Keith shouldn't use Cheney logic in distorting historical facts and truths as defending bad advice Obama got to use Churchill a man who wanted to poison civilians. The Brits/ Commonwealth's own war with the Nazis hang in the balance regarding remaining defiant. Churchill made many cold decisions during the war -some you surely know about- ie, the foreknowledge of Coventry's being bombed.
Once again Olberman was too quick too find fault with a Conservative and spewed wrong information AGAIN! Obama screwed up and his puppet followed right along with the kool-aid!
Like O'reilly, you are mistaking "Britain" for "Churchill". Obama used "Churchill" as an example - not Britain.
BTW the British did not create Hitler. You could possibly argue that the French, during the negotiations for the settlement of Treaty of Versailles, put in place such punitive reparations on the Germans that they felt resentment and humiliation which lead to the rise of extremist parties who promised to avenge the country.
Britain opposed such "revenge" measures but was overruled.
Actually in the early 30s some British in power were for Hitler rising to power as a counter to Stalin's growth in Europe. Also some assistance from Wall St. and some US companies did alot in assisting Hitlery's war machine grow too in the mid 30s. Treaty of Versailles is not what really put Hitler in power -as can be attested by the fact the Nazis lost several elections in the early 30s before getting into power and NOT with overwhelming support of the German people initially.
Everything you've just said is total utter BULLSHIT! No wonder you far right fucktards are the laughing stock of the planet. Keith Olbermann is dealing and presenting his points with document FACTS. Let's see your documented credentials..... Yeah... I didn't think so.
on the contray- Keith overshot his bolt this time. I'm normally pro-Keith, but I'm a world war 2 buff also and Keith is misrepresenting Churchill and his eagerness to use poison gas as much as Cheney dismisses the CIA used torture.
Churchill was pro- use of gas attacks [non lethal] as 'terror' weapons against rebel kurds in Mesopotamia while Colonial Secretary after WW1. Churchill ALONE desired the use of poison gas attacks on Germany -nobody else proposed it- he did this in 1940 and 1944.
He said he wanted to 'drench' industrial Germany with WMDs in 44. Look it up and look up how much chemical agent tonnage were in the British arsenal at the time.
Regarding the Dresden bombing- it was purely designed to kill and destroy civilians. What you should know is that from 1940 up to1945 [ when the hardest Dresden terror bombing campaign took place], Britain was bombing German cities as well as industrial targets. That's why Germany had air raid shelters for civilians in use just like most other European nations.
Also- research what the British did with captured German agents. People are in fantasy land not believing British counter Intelligence were brutal and not using torture to get info and protect their own agents from double agents.
One tactic was to threaten German agents with execution if they didn't cooperate or become double agents. ie, Cooperate or die.
Obama got bad advice to use Churchill as an examle of perfect nobility in wartime.
I also am a WWII buff, and the fact remains that there is no DOCUMENTED proof that the British tortured. Again contemplating something and doing it are two different things. If he contemplated using poison NON LETHAL gas, the FACT remains that HE DIDN'T DO IT. Obama never insinuated "perfect nobility" he said "HE DIDN'T TORTURE" and that remains FACT!
You call british counter-intelligence threatening to execute german agents if they didn't become double agents NOT torture??
If that was one tactic, are you now assuming that torture / CIA levels/ was not used???LOL
Again, the fact is nobody else but Churchill WANTED to use poison gas -poison gas like poison animal bites do not have to be lethal but the gas he wanted to use could potentially kill. So you can scream "He didn't torture' all day.
Churchill would've poisoned civilians if allowed.
But regardless, Churchill still DIDN"T do it. I read the 1944 Secret memo, and it does prove Keith right on that part. He SERIOUSLY considered it, but didn't gas Germany.
I'd like you to provide sources on every thing else you said. Would you be able to send a PM to me with them?
He wanted to poison gas bomb german civilians- He wanted very hard to do it.
His staff never permitted it. Keith has the wrong idea defending Churchill as stellar. Churchill was all for the firbombings of German cities . He was OK with that strategy of terror bombing civilians.
You bet I'll PM you. I'm disappointed that people can't make VERY SIMPLE searches online to find mountains of resources and books discussing this topic.
Mister Olbermann, please note:
Germany bombed London BACK - long time, before your fine Britsh friends had started bombing Germany.
I RECOMMEND YOU LEARN THE BASICS OF HISTORY, MISTER OLBERMANN. Especially the history of your own criminal grandfathers, who systemetically burnt and buried 1 Million children and women alive in German cities. Also notice how Roosevelt ordered American battle-ships to attack German ships in Sepy 1941 - the Germans declared war BACK on America months later.
Elberiver11 4 months ago
England had already started the bombardment of German cities in 1939:.
05.Sep.1939: British RAF bombs Wilhelmshaven and Cuxhaven.
12.Jan.1940: British bomb attacks on Westerland/Sylt.
20.March.1940: British bombers attack Kiel and Hoernum on Sylt with incendiary bombs. Direct hit on a military hospital.
11.May.1940: After Churchill became on 10 May PrimeMinister, he ordered, without informing the public, immediately the beginning of the bomb offensive against the German civilian population.
Elberiver11 4 months ago
LOOK WHAT A LIAR OLBERMANN IS:
At 3:40 he says "The Germans did it first" , and he takes the bombs on London in Sept. 1940 as "proof".
What Mister Olbertmann does not say, is that the British Empire not only started war on Germany, but the British started bombing Germany on Sep. 5th , by attacking the Geman cities of Cuxhaven and Wilhelmshaven. This was ONE YEAR before the Germans bombed London back.
Learn History, Mister Olbermann-liar!
Elberiver11 4 months ago
Olbermann is a fucking idiot. Or maybe he is just another of these stupid Americans who are anti-german haters?
So because Churchill's extermination plans were stopped by others, this makes this wicked man's intentions ALRIGHT?
Wow, Olbie.....what a fucking idiot you are. Could it be you are complex-ridden, because you have a German family name , and try to please the Fatlanders and island-apes? (Thats my names for Americans and British's)
Elberiver11 4 months ago
news channels talking shit about each other, but they all need to shut up!!! turn off your TV sheeple!!!
benq86 1 year ago
So anotherwords olbermann, when things get really really really really really bad, and al qaeda is attacking the US home soil on a daily basis, then its okay to torture?
andro89 1 year ago
What Fox Noise would give to have Olbermann's researchers...
gossieuk 2 years ago
@gossieuk Yeah, I think the requirments to be an MSNBC researcher is a public education and a thorough knowledge of wikipedia
andro89 1 year ago
I think the British government bombed Berlin two times before the German government bombed London. Hitler, that great humanitarian--Sarcasm, did not want to kill British civilians.
randeroid 2 years ago
@randeroid Actually the reason the Berlin - London bombing raids started, is due to a bombing error, where a couple of German bombers dropped bombs on northeast London by mistake. This made the British government decide to launch a bombing run on Berlin a few days later. But yes, the British did bomb Berlin (only once) before the Luftwaffe ran their own bomb run over London. So, the British were the first to bomb Berlin by plan, the Germans first by mistake.
ozswede74 1 year ago
@ozswede74 I have to reply in parts to fit it all in.
Part I: That reads familiar; please share your references. I found a more detailed reference in 2194 Days Of War, p. 61-73. It reads that:
18 Jun 1940 RAF bombs Hamburg & Bremen
24 Aug First Luftwaffe bombs fall on central London
25 Aug RAF bombs Berlin
28 Aug Luftwaffe bombs London
30 Aug Luftwaffe bombs London and other cities; August British civilian casualties at 1,075
2 Sep Luftwaffe attack London
randeroid 1 year ago
@ozswede74
Part II: 4 Sep Hitler gives speech that implies that previous Luftwaffe bombings were not aimed at civilians and that the August 25th RAF bombing was aimed at civilians
6 Sep RAF bombs Berlin
7 Sep Luftwaffe begins London blitz
I am confident that your references refer to the accidental bombing of NE London a few days before the RAF started bombing Berlin. The above reference does not mention it. I would be interested in your dates and combining them with these.
randeroid 1 year ago
@ozswede74
Part III: I know that there is detailed bombing data available somewhere. Thank you for your shared interest.
randeroid 1 year ago
Churchill was an outstanding speaker and so is Obama, but keeping the Nazis off the beaches required more than fine speeches. Churchills had to use the skills from a lifetime of experience win WW2. Whilst American believes Obama can be a great leader, this remains unproven. In my new book (on Amazon), Churchills Secret Skills I have identified a number of Churchills hidden talents. I even uncovered a memo from Churchill that proves he would have probably liked Obama, its in the book.
BindenShovel 2 years ago
marry me, keith <3
nanoquaver 2 years ago
I'm sorry but this is reality. If you think you can get information from people by asking them nicely and saying "pretty please" then your full of it.......Waterboarding is necessary to get the intelligence needed. Screw what anyone thinks about anything, you will get absolutely NOWHERE by talking to someone....this is all stupid, and people need to stop being little girls and get $hit done.
So all these people need to stop caring about comparisons of things and look at it how it is.
met311 2 years ago
The chief CIA interrogator Ali Soufan testifies that actionable intelligence for the arrest of Khalid Sheik Mohammed from Abu Zabayda was acquired without torture.
Ali claims that Waterboarding is torture and that acquisition of effective intell was hampered after suspects were water boarded.
Cheney was looking for a link that did not exist and hence wanted someone to confess to a link between al-qaeda and Saddam.
Not a single actionable intel was obtained from this barbaric technique.
jopaddy81 2 years ago
So let me get this straight:
1)Churchill did want to use a poison gas (lethal or non lethal) on the Germans and was stopped
2)The RAF did in fact kill civilians in non-military sites
3)There were centers where prisoners were beaten and sleep deprived, and if that's going on one can guess death threats in interrogation centers done by the British
4)The center at Nenndorf was established after Churchill left power
Now, didn't both Oberman and O'Reily agree on the above? I'm so confused...
treefalse 2 years ago
Churchill did not torture...
That's the point. Obama was accurate on that. He was pushed, yes, his country had been bombed but he did not torture. It's not about what he wanted, it's what he did. That is why Churchill was great.
Cheney is a fraud, a liar and a barbaric moron who used 9/11 as an excuse to torture people and invade iraq. This was crazy. Point is Obama was correct so O'Reilly should not be saying on live TV that Obama's example is wrong.
This shouldn't be that confusing
jopaddy81 2 years ago
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Its unfortunate that American news programmes have to spend a great deal of time correcting other broadcasters. But I am glad they did! Bill OReilly is a moron. No wonder the world view of America is one of dumb rednecks if you allow an ignorant and self righteous dick, such as Mr. OReilly to pass himself off as a journalist on a major news network! Thank god for the BBC. Oh and SKEAZdotCOM - people from the UK can comment on this discussion because Churchill was a hero. Oh and BRITISH!
Bigfellahull 2 years ago
5 stars for Churchill!
sepiroth145 2 years ago
I only changed my vote for Obama after finding that Fox News attacked the Dave Stewart American Prayer video with a bogus heresy claim from the vatican. The Karl Rove crew on Fox News are the real blasphemers, since they posted a false image of Obama as Christ for their discussion. Still I had no idea that Fox News had stooped to nazi apologists attacking Churchill for ratings. They have discovered a new human low.
oldParasiteSingle 2 years ago
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ushadrons 2 years ago
Now I see why no one watches msnbc. This guy should learn to get to the point and move along. His 10 minute rant makes him appear desperate and boring.... and plus attacking their competitors isn't NEWS... no one really cares and I'm pretty sure O'Reilly doesn't either. Right or wrong MSBNC can't seem to get viewers so they end up looking like angry ankle biters attacking the big boys.
SKEAZdotCOM 2 years ago
"This guy should learn to get to the point and move along"
You mean he should oversimplify and pander to those with 30 second attention spans.
"attacking their competitors isn't NEWS... no one really cares"
You seem to care enough to do it.
"MSBNC can't seem to get viewers"
...so they must be wrong. Yeah right. Even though you are a viewer.
KapitanoUK 2 years ago
No, I don't mean "oversimplify" and judging by your attempt at logic I'm pretty sure you're not qualified to demonstrate what I mean. I'm also not a brand of public interest that defines my OPINIONS as "news". They literally pull less viewers than the home shopping network (which speaks for itself). Now, remind me again why people from the UK belong in this discussion..... oh, that's right, you don't!
SKEAZdotCOM 2 years ago
Too bad Keith!!! You're a wanna be!
maverickguy99 2 years ago 2
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bill needs to bitch slap this fag.
texas2cents 2 years ago
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It's just Bill-O The Clown making himself look like a fucktard as usual. Why would this dumb bozo who makes Marist College, Boston U, and Harvard want to cringe and hurl vomit every time he puts his empty mug on TV and speak. He's hardly one to try and match wits with scholar like Barack Obama especially when I've seen high school kids totally own this assclown on the issues. He needs to face what he is, a stupid partisan dickwad on a rogue propaganda network, and AM radio mouth piece.
bigtexansfan 2 years ago
wat ?!? lol the US didnt gas the japanese .. lol.. but you NUKED them.... TWO cities. killing civilians.. and the US and British CARPET BOMBED the Germans. completely destroying cities. seriously.. dont make it sound like you guys played by the "rules". Everyone does everything they can to win if they have to.
koreannz 2 years ago
It still doesn't change the fact that Bill-O The Clown is a lying sack of shit on a rogue propaganda network poorly trying to disguise itself as a news channel. Douchebag Bill outright LIED! I'm sure that you watch FIX News Channel so you hear the lies on a minute by minute basis. Again the subject is about that assclown being a liar to try and justify torture and counterpoint the President. Bill-O The Clown simply made himself look like the fucktard he is.
bigtexansfan 2 years ago
I'm no fan at all of FUX News and neocon scum, but Keith shouldn't use Cheney logic in distorting historical facts and truths as defending bad advice Obama got to use Churchill a man who wanted to poison civilians. The Brits/ Commonwealth's own war with the Nazis hang in the balance regarding remaining defiant. Churchill made many cold decisions during the war -some you surely know about- ie, the foreknowledge of Coventry's being bombed.
slizzler1 2 years ago
Once again Olberman was too quick too find fault with a Conservative and spewed wrong information AGAIN! Obama screwed up and his puppet followed right along with the kool-aid!
mickey2050 2 years ago
I can't do this tonight.
The British created Hitler, Keith.
And the British tortured Obamas Grandfather.
From the Uk Guardian:
"Revealed: Britain's torture of Obama's grandfather"
tinyurl (DOT) com/5zuzlb
Get your facts, or better put omission, straight Keith....
Goodnight folks.
NookulerFreedom 2 years ago
Like O'reilly, you are mistaking "Britain" for "Churchill". Obama used "Churchill" as an example - not Britain.
BTW the British did not create Hitler. You could possibly argue that the French, during the negotiations for the settlement of Treaty of Versailles, put in place such punitive reparations on the Germans that they felt resentment and humiliation which lead to the rise of extremist parties who promised to avenge the country.
Britain opposed such "revenge" measures but was overruled.
sohobod 2 years ago
Actually in the early 30s some British in power were for Hitler rising to power as a counter to Stalin's growth in Europe. Also some assistance from Wall St. and some US companies did alot in assisting Hitlery's war machine grow too in the mid 30s. Treaty of Versailles is not what really put Hitler in power -as can be attested by the fact the Nazis lost several elections in the early 30s before getting into power and NOT with overwhelming support of the German people initially.
slizzler1 2 years ago
Everything you've just said is total utter BULLSHIT! No wonder you far right fucktards are the laughing stock of the planet. Keith Olbermann is dealing and presenting his points with document FACTS. Let's see your documented credentials..... Yeah... I didn't think so.
bigtexansfan 2 years ago
on the contray- Keith overshot his bolt this time. I'm normally pro-Keith, but I'm a world war 2 buff also and Keith is misrepresenting Churchill and his eagerness to use poison gas as much as Cheney dismisses the CIA used torture.
slizzler1 2 years ago
Here's what you can easily find with research.
Churchill was pro- use of gas attacks [non lethal] as 'terror' weapons against rebel kurds in Mesopotamia while Colonial Secretary after WW1. Churchill ALONE desired the use of poison gas attacks on Germany -nobody else proposed it- he did this in 1940 and 1944.
He said he wanted to 'drench' industrial Germany with WMDs in 44. Look it up and look up how much chemical agent tonnage were in the British arsenal at the time.
slizzler1 2 years ago
Regarding the Dresden bombing- it was purely designed to kill and destroy civilians. What you should know is that from 1940 up to1945 [ when the hardest Dresden terror bombing campaign took place], Britain was bombing German cities as well as industrial targets. That's why Germany had air raid shelters for civilians in use just like most other European nations.
slizzler1 2 years ago
Also- research what the British did with captured German agents. People are in fantasy land not believing British counter Intelligence were brutal and not using torture to get info and protect their own agents from double agents.
One tactic was to threaten German agents with execution if they didn't cooperate or become double agents. ie, Cooperate or die.
Obama got bad advice to use Churchill as an examle of perfect nobility in wartime.
slizzler1 2 years ago
I also am a WWII buff, and the fact remains that there is no DOCUMENTED proof that the British tortured. Again contemplating something and doing it are two different things. If he contemplated using poison NON LETHAL gas, the FACT remains that HE DIDN'T DO IT. Obama never insinuated "perfect nobility" he said "HE DIDN'T TORTURE" and that remains FACT!
bigtexansfan 2 years ago
You call british counter-intelligence threatening to execute german agents if they didn't become double agents NOT torture??
If that was one tactic, are you now assuming that torture / CIA levels/ was not used???LOL
Again, the fact is nobody else but Churchill WANTED to use poison gas -poison gas like poison animal bites do not have to be lethal but the gas he wanted to use could potentially kill. So you can scream "He didn't torture' all day.
Churchill would've poisoned civilians if allowed.
slizzler1 2 years ago
But regardless, Churchill still DIDN"T do it. I read the 1944 Secret memo, and it does prove Keith right on that part. He SERIOUSLY considered it, but didn't gas Germany.
I'd like you to provide sources on every thing else you said. Would you be able to send a PM to me with them?
dave783 2 years ago
No- it's not 'regardless'.
Churchill wasn't ALLOWED to do it.
He wanted to poison gas bomb german civilians- He wanted very hard to do it.
His staff never permitted it. Keith has the wrong idea defending Churchill as stellar. Churchill was all for the firbombings of German cities . He was OK with that strategy of terror bombing civilians.
You bet I'll PM you. I'm disappointed that people can't make VERY SIMPLE searches online to find mountains of resources and books discussing this topic.
slizzler1 2 years ago
ok sources sent now dave783.... just a couple but much more available if you search as I suggested.
slizzler1 2 years ago
Bill got owned again
taylex18 2 years ago