@leedaocheng Yes - but that is not road legal. Its all well and good comparing the Zonda F to a Koenigsegg but you cannot bring a car with no environmental or safety restrictions into the mix.
@leedaocheng Errr the Zonda is more about noise + looks than performance (Zonda F that is). The Zonda maxes out at about 218 MPH with 0-60 of 3.2 seconds - the Koenigseggs are quicker my friend
@itd041 the ccxr is the faster than the veyron when you run it straight on motor :) the veyron lowers itself at 175 and starts to elongate so yea it is but only because of the electronics the new super sport does 263mph/ 249 w/o ccxr = 259mph
@TheUnPlayable beware Ferrari has great tradition in road and racetrack racing, Pagani is very recent the new Lambo's are to consider as well .... not to mention the numerous independent houses like Zagato, Pininfarina, bertone, and so on .... Though i would take a CCX over any other car on the planet (love it's looks and the music coming from the exhaust is magnificent) a super / hyper car is always a personal choice of taste.
@W8tuning It´s relative easy. You drive volkswagen and Bugatti is also Volkswagen. And your choice is the best choice...bla...bla. The Bugatti looses in every term-what is very easy to explain. His Power/Weight ratio is worse...a 2 metric ton weighting Bulldozer is really no supersportscar. This is also the reason why volkswagen had forbidden any Nordschleife test...the veyron will still loose against a new 450hp powered Porsche GT3RS (7:32). You have really no idea from what you`re talking
What ever happened to good-looking supercars? I won't doubt for a minute the Koenigsegg's awesome performance specs, but it looks like a matchbox car. For the longest time I thought that the one industry that would continue to value the art that goes into its products would be the supercar business, but I guess I'm wrong. Take the Bugatti Veyron for example. Most powerful road car on earth, but that grill plate... It's like an o'face. :[
a big 8.4 litre engine dont needs 1000hp to accelerate like hell. The dodge viper has "only" 600hp on its 8.4 litre engine but its already tooooo much for this car, wheelspins at every corner^^
Lets be honest non of you can afford it, and less of you could even drive any of the cars you are mentioning to their limits so it doesn't really matter which is more "capable" or "faster".
A grand prix race driver would probably beat you around the track in a Civic Type R.
A Dodge Viper creates a shockingly low 5-600 hp from its huge 8.4 Litre engine. This beast developes over 1000hp from a relatively small 4.7 litre engine.
The Americans seem to have a history of making massive engines with shockingly low horsepower. One of the Camaros had a V6 5 litre with something daft like 180hp.
Its just down to proper tuning in the end. I think the Japs get it right a lot of the time considering they can squeeze 400hp from a 2 litre 4 cylinder engine (Evo 9) albeit with a massive turbo.
the new Caterham makes 550 hp out of 2.4 liter engine.. This technology is available to anyone since the 1960s but americans just... chose not to.
No european performance car produces less than 100 hp pr liter but very few american cars can match that. Supercharged or not. They claim that huge engines give more torque but torque is also achieved with revs. Huge size will always add weight which will push you straight ahead in a bend no matter how much torque and hp you got.
I think it's funny that you are bashing American cars with the Caterham as an example. The Caterham uses a Ford engine. Torque is not achieved through revs, horsepower is. There is no substitute for torque. That said, you don't need huge displacement for torque. Turbocharged small engines can usually outperform a big one.
I'm not a fan of big American V8s at all, but you should at least get your facts straight before bashing.
Have I at any point in time said that Ford cant make good engines ? Do I HAVE to hate everything american if I dont like the way they make cars ? Perhaps you should also know that there is an enormous difference between US-Ford and Euro-Ford. Which have been run 100% independantly since the 60s. There is no war for dominance in the car world. Europe is where its happening for the forseable future, Japan shamelessly copy and USA... are doing their own thing. In desperate denial of their failures.
My brother got his own company and he wont let anyone drive anything else than Rams. From an old firetruck to new ones. He says its the best because of the Cumins Diesel which apparently is way better than Chevvys Duramax. And those are your options. I cant help thinking Ram is best because no other company actually makes that size pickups. There is Unimog ofcourse but thats way more expensive.
@Janusha Mathematically Power=torque x rpm, most engines have more or less constant torque among wide range of rpm, but power quite often starts from 30hp at 900rpm to 1200 at 9000rpm, so you lie when you talk that torque is achieved with revs.
Nope, I was just looking at that one too, and amazed at how poorly it performed. If you want modern European cars with under 100hp/?, how about every N/A e90 BMW besides the M3? Even the M3 is barely over 100hp/L.
Sure, you can argue that it's not fair to only look at N/A engines, but if we include turbocharged American engines, once again your argument falls apart. Ford's new Ecoboost puts out well over 100hp/l, and has amazing amounts of torque. There's other examples too.
Because Ford actually manage to sell cars in Europe. As a general rule americans produce WELL below 100hp/l Look at their performance cars. Corvette is barely above I think but thats the only one. Worst out is Viper with an insanely low 400 something hp in their 8.4 liter engine. Even tho its up to 600hp on their latest model.
Most American performance cars are traditionally pushrod motors. These of course get far worse hp/L than a DOHC or even a SOHC motor. On top of that, the American way seems to be N/A, again reducing power output.
As I said before, the LS7 probably has higher power output per pound than most European cars. HP/Liter and HP/Pound are both equally important, and equally arbitrary.
What's the point in bothering to get 100hp/l when you can just make an 8.4 liter motor? Fast car either way.
In USA technology seems to be reserved for NASA and the army. There seems to be none left for cars. But for those that put their fate in technology and efficent engines that produce more hp pr engine size. They are able to save weight. Weight will inevitably push your car straight ahead in any bends regardless of HP or torque. Light weight and efficency wins every time. But then... that would be unamerican wouldnt it. What would the Viper be without its truck engine to get all patriotic over.
@atheist45 Just shows that Americans cant make a decent engine! So if you wanted to get 1000hp,would an American car manufacturer built a 12L engine? I think so
The Hennessey Viper is available new for under $200 000. It's also 1100HP, completely blows a Veyron out of the water in performance due to it's lower weight, and has a twin turbo 8.5 liter 10 cylinder. The Veyron has a quad turbo 8 liter 16 cylinder engine, and only puts out 1000 HP. And it costs at least 6 times as much. I fail to see the advantage of European cars.
@atheist45 Except the Veyron is a fully loaded luxury car, strip it down as much as the viper and it will go just as fast!As far as i know Bugatti has lifetime warranty because they dont push the engine to its limits,if they did they could get a lot more than 1001 hp!!
The Viper is fully loaded as well, just not to the same standard as the Bugatti. The Veyron will never be faster, it weighs a ton thanks to it's massive motor and it's AWD setup. Even though the displacements are similar, the Viper motor with it's pushrod OHV setup will be FAR lighter. Not to mention the extra weight of the turbos, etc. The Bugatti is a cruiser for rich people, the Viper is actually a performance car.
@atheist45 did i get it wrong or are you saying a viper beats the veyron ??? there is nooooo way in hell that can happen, stop playing need for speed haha that´s the only place where it can happen, I mean I love american cars I own 2 mustangs but there is a huge abyss between a viper and a veyron
The Hennessey TT Viper does thrash a Veyron. I bet it handles better to, being so much lighter. As for luxury, yeah, the Veyron still wins, but performancewise, the Viper does.
@atheist45 gthe veyron is controled power and it is ot maxed out, the viper is raw power which will lead in parts failure in abour 2 or 3 races, the truth is that the viper has an amazing performance but is not meant to last as the bugatti
@atheist45 ok I love American cars but get the numbers right mate, from 0 to 60 the hennessey tt viper does almost the exact time as the veyron, the convertible version anyways cuz the the coupe does 2.6 - 2.9, veyron 2.5 from 0 to 62, then from 60 to 200 the veyron completly eats the viper, does 0 to 200 in 14 segs while the viper does it in 20 point something, more important than that is that the veyron will live to see another day, the viper would probably die after 200, trans would go, etc
Actually, the Veyron takes 24 seconds, not 14. The Viper "eats" it, not the other way around. 0-60 obviously goes to the Veyron, being AWD compared to RWD like the Viper. As to the Viper being maxed out, I don't think so. It's probably closer to it's limit than the Veyron, but it still won't be breaking every few hours. If anything, the Veyron (being tons more complex) will be the one that breaks more often. The Bugatti is not meant as a daily driver either.
@atheist45 there is no point in trying to convince you that the veyron is a useable car compared to the viper....im gonna go ahead anyway the veyron took years of designing and testing to perfect and to be used daily the viper was just a fast car tuned thats it
@atheist45 S2000 was around for many years, it has 120hp/l!!S2000 2.2 with almost 240 hp VS Chevy Coablt with also 2.2,BUT turbocharged yet producing almost 35 hp less!
S2000 hasn't been around that long. It's also not an "average" motor. It does have great HP/Liter, BUT it is very peaky, and has very little torque/power until way up in the rev range. I think you'll find that a Cobalt will out accelerate an S2000, or be dead even, even though it's "less" power. Peak numbers mean nothing, it's the power under the curve that matters.
Caterham which is a reasonably cheapish euro sportscar gets 550 hp out of 2.4 liters.
When the Viper came it had around 400 hp out of more than 8 liters.
I know... low tech truck engine, reliability, torque. I know all that. But 400 hp. Thats just lazy. Why dont Lambo or Ferrari put 8 liter truck engines in their cars ? Because it doesnt work. It isnt how to build performance cars. The Viper is as out of its element as the Hummers. And like the Hummers. This is its last production year.
It's not quite fair to compare the latest best Caterham to the first Viper, the new Vipers are much better than 400. As for out of their element, the Viper holds it's own very well. It's faster than all the Lambos and Ferraris on the 'ring, and the 1/4 miles is no contest. I'm not arguing that big American engines are the best, but you seem to be discounting them as obsolete when they are far from that. I'm disappointed to see the Viper go. The Hummer is no loss.
Please stop quoting Nurburgring times. First read up on what actually happens there. Its been a european track for nearly a century. Along comes america with their ultra modified cars and full factory race teams hungry for records to generate some desperate needed hype to sell cars. And now you talk like you actually know what the Ring is. The Viper ACR is a RACECAR. Ferrari, Porsche did 7 minute laps already 40 years ago. The hype only worked on net spammers. people still dont buy Vipers.
If you think the European or Japanese companies did any different, you're being naive. Call the Viper ACR whatever you want, it's a fast car. This whole time you've been arguing that American cars aren't fast. The Enzo is no less of a "racecar". I don't even like the Viper (or any of the popular American cars) but I do respect them. Likewise, I really don't like Hondas, but I respect what they can do. Blanket statements against American cars in general is just fanboyism.
Stop talking about the Enzo. It was the benchmark for performance cars when it was new 9 years ago. Also Ferrari DONT test their cars on the Nurburgring. Just like Lambo, Aston and the rest of the big names. Do you think there is actually a war going on between the big names and USA somehow... won the race ? Bullshit. USA spend more time generating hype and producing fake records than they spend time building good cars. Because in USA patriotism sells more cars than build quality.
I guess it makes it easier for you to keep believing the US makes bad cars if you just come up with excuses as to why the examples I choose of are no good. And here I was thinking that the Enzo and Veyron were some of the better European cars. The truth is, with the exception of Lotus and Caterham, most of the high end European cars are not worth their cost. You are paying for a brand name, not for performance. You say patriotism sells cars in America, I say you have the same problem there.
No no.. We dont bring nationalism and pride into it. In Europe people dont care where the car comes from. If its Japanese, American, German, if its good, people will buy it. However the quality of american cars have been such that they havent even been marketed in Europe for 2 decades. YOU might find the euro cars expensive and indeed they are.. but things are worth what people are willing to pay. If they priced them wrong, they wouldnt sell and would go bankrupt like american companies.
Wonder why americans are so proud of occupying the cheap end of the market. The "ooh its not as good but its cheaper" market. How can they be happy to represent the kind of cars you buy when you cant afford what you want.
If you pick top10 cars. Would any be american? Its not all Ferrari and Lambo. Lets say top 20 cars. Still any american? Honestly on the list of top 30 cars that I can think of right now probably 2 would be american. Surely the worlds largest carcountry cant be happy with that.
@Janusha Lets bring nationalism AND pride into it. I'm American and I am fully aware of the fact that we don't produce supercars like the Italians or Germans, but all things considered, I'd buy 20 Camaro Yenko's before I bought a Ferrari or a Lambo.
@Janusha There is more to a car than how rich you look when you drive it, its about the soul, and how a car moves yours. If you like Lambos and Ferraris, great, but don't think that the Corvette ZR1 or Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR are slouches because they're "American".
@atheist45 Let the little Norwegian have his narrowminded little opinion, and go out and drop a MIL if he ever has that much money. Like I said, I could have a ZR1 or a SRT10 ACR and thats possible, $200k, tops. And while they might not "keep up" with the exotics....they just look better.
Luckily for you, you will never have to worry about choosing a Ferrari or a Corvette because american internet spammers, desperate to hail their cars as BEST IN THE WOOORLD arent necessarily the same people that actually buy these things. You and the rest of the bewildered flag waving fools can hype the Viper all you want but the fact is its being closed down because nobody actually buys them.
@Janusha I'm proud to be a "bewildered flag waving fool" you fuckstain. Why are Norwegians such pieces of shit. I''ll put my sisters SRT4 Neon against whatever the fuck you might be driving.
if you are talking about F1 engines with 800-900 hp out of 2 litre engines, then sure. They wont last for long. Koenigsegg gets their engines from a brittish company that makes F1 engines. They bench-test every engine up to 13-1500 hp before they go into cars with a more modest 900-1000. Nobody has ever blown an engine. Its a die-hard american myth that you need 5-6-7 even 8 litre engines to have any torque or durability. Probably because american cars never ever tried anything different.
haha you dont MOD a god damn Koenigsegg dude.. There is a difference between a truck engined plastic american shit and the real thing. The Viper engine is twice as big.
You're seriously saying a Lamborghini is nicer because the roof on the Koenigsegg is "bad"? Both vehicles are built with top of the line materials and are both extremely nice to drive and be comfortable doing so. The only difference is as you mentioned and thats that the CCX is quite a bit faster.
Comparing this car with a Lamborghini is just like saying that you would take a Ferrari over a McLaren F1 because you didn't like the headlights or some other body part.
I guess its you're preferance. You can show a Picasso to two people. One would say that its a beautiful piece of art and the other would say "Wtf is that? You call that art?". I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
not really., the Veyron is extremely fast but also very luxurious, the CCX just seems more like a car you would drive at the track while the bugatti is something you can drive down palm beach or anywhere... its a preference i guess..
i would love to drive the CCX down a palm beach.......its absolutely gorgeous (better looking than the Veyron, sorry Bugatti fans) and very powerful too...
really? i dunno., but it just doesnt seem like a car you can 'chill' in.., ahh whatevs, its a preference.. i would be happy to have either, both beasts!!
If you want to go below 400km/h, Koenigsegg is enough. But if you want to go OVER 400 km/h and simply want to have the BEST car, you need al Bugatti 16.4 Super Sport, which is still 40 km faster.
@cyberOwwwOecho But if the Swedes deliver a V8 with 2 Comp with 1060hp and 1080nm, but the Germans deliver a v16 with 4 turbos with 1001hp and 1200nm. It got twice as big engine, but still the swedes manage to keep up with it. Got to give them that. Koenigsegg enginex2 = 2120hp and 2160nm. BBAAAAAAAAAAAMM
wtf did I just watch?
KOSKESH43 1 week ago
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barbus2012 3 months ago
@leedaocheng what about the new HONDA ACCORDS lol
barbus2012 3 months ago
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barbus2012 3 months ago
/dislike b/c i can never afford it :P
vehatebodi 6 months ago 2
@leedaocheng Yes - but that is not road legal. Its all well and good comparing the Zonda F to a Koenigsegg but you cannot bring a car with no environmental or safety restrictions into the mix.
edtri19 7 months ago
@leedaocheng Errr the Zonda is more about noise + looks than performance (Zonda F that is). The Zonda maxes out at about 218 MPH with 0-60 of 3.2 seconds - the Koenigseggs are quicker my friend
edtri19 7 months ago
@leedaocheng Bahaha A Zonda is like a fucking slug compared to a Koenigsegg...
TheUnPlayable 7 months ago
@TheUnPlayable a very expensive slug
rmf09024 1 week ago
@TheUnPlayable a very expensive slug
rmf09024 1 week ago
@TheUnPlayable a very expensive slug
rmf09024 1 week ago
@itd041 the ccxr is the faster than the veyron when you run it straight on motor :) the veyron lowers itself at 175 and starts to elongate so yea it is but only because of the electronics the new super sport does 263mph/ 249 w/o ccxr = 259mph
norulescrew6636 8 months ago
Veyron is better
itd041 8 months ago
@itd041 No the veyron is hunk of useless shit. it may be fast but its FAR from being impressive. don't get me started on this subject.
maxredgizmo 8 months ago
@itd041 bro u realy dont know wat ur saying do u
Mr589742316 8 months ago
Italians do it better! ;)
montgomerybrogan1 10 months ago 2
@montgomerybrogan1 Italians ? With their weak Ferraris ? I loled
TheUnPlayable 8 months ago
@TheUnPlayable just shut the fuck up, you probably cant even drive yet you dumb kunt.
008jordy 8 months ago
@008jordy You're wrong ... Too bad :|
TheUnPlayable 8 months ago
@TheUnPlayable beware Ferrari has great tradition in road and racetrack racing, Pagani is very recent the new Lambo's are to consider as well .... not to mention the numerous independent houses like Zagato, Pininfarina, bertone, and so on .... Though i would take a CCX over any other car on the planet (love it's looks and the music coming from the exhaust is magnificent) a super / hyper car is always a personal choice of taste.
jorgekontor 6 months ago
sounds a bit like an american car =D
Plaayboarding 1 year ago
KOENIGSEGG = <3 !!!!
jugarnaunt 1 year ago
this car has 806 hp not 1000
rmf09020 1 year ago
@rmf09020
You can get it with more than 1000 too.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha ccxf is a beast, they got a vid on here of them racing a veyron
rmf09020 1 year ago
this is twincharged unlike the viper
123dodgecharger 1 year ago
@123dodgecharger
Bullshitter. What on earth does this thing have to do with a god damn viper.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha Some faggots compare it to a viper. Ain't me asshole
123dodgecharger 1 year ago
Sweden For Life.
VolvoEP 1 year ago
this is the car even the stig couldnt handle! *bows down*
aszilagyi4292 1 year ago
thats pure swedish power
fjr199 1 year ago
does this automobile run on dump? cause i made some
shadowscout22 1 year ago
boring
joshshoot 1 year ago
Hört sich scheiße an
nerhemrev 1 year ago
full trottel teaser ^^
l4dhehe 1 year ago
That car might look exotic it might turn heads, but in all honestly that is one UGLY supercar lol.
ovariesniper 1 year ago
Bugatti Veyron vs Koenigsegg CCX ..... Bugatti wins.
W8tuning 1 year ago
@W8tuning It´s relative easy. You drive volkswagen and Bugatti is also Volkswagen. And your choice is the best choice...bla...bla. The Bugatti looses in every term-what is very easy to explain. His Power/Weight ratio is worse...a 2 metric ton weighting Bulldozer is really no supersportscar. This is also the reason why volkswagen had forbidden any Nordschleife test...the veyron will still loose against a new 450hp powered Porsche GT3RS (7:32). You have really no idea from what you`re talking
kataklysm696 1 year ago
so sexy
SBDTHRU 1 year ago
why didnt it show it try and go off the line in the wet haha they just knew it wasnt going to go anywhere lol
g4m3rsc0r3 1 year ago
What ever happened to good-looking supercars? I won't doubt for a minute the Koenigsegg's awesome performance specs, but it looks like a matchbox car. For the longest time I thought that the one industry that would continue to value the art that goes into its products would be the supercar business, but I guess I'm wrong. Take the Bugatti Veyron for example. Most powerful road car on earth, but that grill plate... It's like an o'face. :[
OverlordLS 1 year ago
I would prefer that car more than a Veyron
m91arc 1 year ago
until you get to a corner
lowrida82 1 year ago
Amazing, i would prefer this car instead of the Veyron!
AutospotterJeroenM 2 years ago 21
At the Koenigsegg factory they told me many of their customers already own a Bugatti or an Enzo.
Janusha 1 year ago
go Koenigsegg its a beast
pantherssamuel 2 years ago 10
a big 8.4 litre engine dont needs 1000hp to accelerate like hell. The dodge viper has "only" 600hp on its 8.4 litre engine but its already tooooo much for this car, wheelspins at every corner^^
BerlinMensch 2 years ago
Shit that's fast I luv the revv wat engine foes it have
alphie10 2 years ago
Lets be honest non of you can afford it, and less of you could even drive any of the cars you are mentioning to their limits so it doesn't really matter which is more "capable" or "faster".
A grand prix race driver would probably beat you around the track in a Civic Type R.
nikos95 2 years ago 61
@nikos95 true, nice point
FutureMarine246 1 year ago
@nikos95 lol thats true
pwnagekills71 1 year ago
@nikos95
I can afford it.
YouTubers are different, you know.
ExtremalZ 11 months ago
guys thse things whit bio ethanol got 1012 o more hp and it s called the ccr x edition, and the viper is not supercharged
caccios 2 years ago
A Dodge Viper creates a shockingly low 5-600 hp from its huge 8.4 Litre engine. This beast developes over 1000hp from a relatively small 4.7 litre engine.
Janusha 2 years ago 19
The Americans seem to have a history of making massive engines with shockingly low horsepower. One of the Camaros had a V6 5 litre with something daft like 180hp.
Its just down to proper tuning in the end. I think the Japs get it right a lot of the time considering they can squeeze 400hp from a 2 litre 4 cylinder engine (Evo 9) albeit with a massive turbo.
Joeli086 2 years ago 7
the new Caterham makes 550 hp out of 2.4 liter engine.. This technology is available to anyone since the 1960s but americans just... chose not to.
No european performance car produces less than 100 hp pr liter but very few american cars can match that. Supercharged or not. They claim that huge engines give more torque but torque is also achieved with revs. Huge size will always add weight which will push you straight ahead in a bend no matter how much torque and hp you got.
Janusha 2 years ago 2
I think it's funny that you are bashing American cars with the Caterham as an example. The Caterham uses a Ford engine. Torque is not achieved through revs, horsepower is. There is no substitute for torque. That said, you don't need huge displacement for torque. Turbocharged small engines can usually outperform a big one.
I'm not a fan of big American V8s at all, but you should at least get your facts straight before bashing.
atheist45 1 year ago
Have I at any point in time said that Ford cant make good engines ? Do I HAVE to hate everything american if I dont like the way they make cars ? Perhaps you should also know that there is an enormous difference between US-Ford and Euro-Ford. Which have been run 100% independantly since the 60s. There is no war for dominance in the car world. Europe is where its happening for the forseable future, Japan shamelessly copy and USA... are doing their own thing. In desperate denial of their failures.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha But but... americans should do what they do best...
Make big V8 TRUCKS like the dodge ram :D
That's a real american car and i LOVE mine.
Sorayan13 1 year ago
My brother got his own company and he wont let anyone drive anything else than Rams. From an old firetruck to new ones. He says its the best because of the Cumins Diesel which apparently is way better than Chevvys Duramax. And those are your options. I cant help thinking Ram is best because no other company actually makes that size pickups. There is Unimog ofcourse but thats way more expensive.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha Dunno about the diesel ones. got a 5.7 hemi v8 wich is awesome.
Sorayan13 1 year ago
@Janusha Mathematically Power=torque x rpm, most engines have more or less constant torque among wide range of rpm, but power quite often starts from 30hp at 900rpm to 1200 at 9000rpm, so you lie when you talk that torque is achieved with revs.
INeedToLiveLonger 1 year ago
Im not nearly that nerdy dude.
You know those gyros that you can hold in your hand and make it spin so you can feel the torque ? The faster they spin, the harder they are to hold.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha I thought level of education is higher in Norway.
INeedToLiveLonger 1 year ago
Yeah, those dumb americans. Not like the Bugatti Royal with it's 275HP 13 LITER inline 8.
atheist45 1 year ago
Did you really have to dig 100 years back to find an inefficent european car.
Janusha 1 year ago
Nope, I was just looking at that one too, and amazed at how poorly it performed. If you want modern European cars with under 100hp/?, how about every N/A e90 BMW besides the M3? Even the M3 is barely over 100hp/L.
Sure, you can argue that it's not fair to only look at N/A engines, but if we include turbocharged American engines, once again your argument falls apart. Ford's new Ecoboost puts out well over 100hp/l, and has amazing amounts of torque. There's other examples too.
atheist45 1 year ago
Because Ford actually manage to sell cars in Europe. As a general rule americans produce WELL below 100hp/l Look at their performance cars. Corvette is barely above I think but thats the only one. Worst out is Viper with an insanely low 400 something hp in their 8.4 liter engine. Even tho its up to 600hp on their latest model.
Janusha 1 year ago
Most American performance cars are traditionally pushrod motors. These of course get far worse hp/L than a DOHC or even a SOHC motor. On top of that, the American way seems to be N/A, again reducing power output.
As I said before, the LS7 probably has higher power output per pound than most European cars. HP/Liter and HP/Pound are both equally important, and equally arbitrary.
What's the point in bothering to get 100hp/l when you can just make an 8.4 liter motor? Fast car either way.
atheist45 1 year ago
In USA technology seems to be reserved for NASA and the army. There seems to be none left for cars. But for those that put their fate in technology and efficent engines that produce more hp pr engine size. They are able to save weight. Weight will inevitably push your car straight ahead in any bends regardless of HP or torque. Light weight and efficency wins every time. But then... that would be unamerican wouldnt it. What would the Viper be without its truck engine to get all patriotic over.
Janusha 1 year ago
@atheist45 Just shows that Americans cant make a decent engine! So if you wanted to get 1000hp,would an American car manufacturer built a 12L engine? I think so
CivicSportInjected 1 year ago
The Hennessey Viper is available new for under $200 000. It's also 1100HP, completely blows a Veyron out of the water in performance due to it's lower weight, and has a twin turbo 8.5 liter 10 cylinder. The Veyron has a quad turbo 8 liter 16 cylinder engine, and only puts out 1000 HP. And it costs at least 6 times as much. I fail to see the advantage of European cars.
atheist45 1 year ago
@atheist45 Except the Veyron is a fully loaded luxury car, strip it down as much as the viper and it will go just as fast!As far as i know Bugatti has lifetime warranty because they dont push the engine to its limits,if they did they could get a lot more than 1001 hp!!
CivicSportInjected 1 year ago
The Viper is fully loaded as well, just not to the same standard as the Bugatti. The Veyron will never be faster, it weighs a ton thanks to it's massive motor and it's AWD setup. Even though the displacements are similar, the Viper motor with it's pushrod OHV setup will be FAR lighter. Not to mention the extra weight of the turbos, etc. The Bugatti is a cruiser for rich people, the Viper is actually a performance car.
atheist45 1 year ago
@atheist45 did i get it wrong or are you saying a viper beats the veyron ??? there is nooooo way in hell that can happen, stop playing need for speed haha that´s the only place where it can happen, I mean I love american cars I own 2 mustangs but there is a huge abyss between a viper and a veyron
methosyoutuve 1 year ago
@methosyoutuve
The Hennessey TT Viper does thrash a Veyron. I bet it handles better to, being so much lighter. As for luxury, yeah, the Veyron still wins, but performancewise, the Viper does.
atheist45 1 year ago
@atheist45 gthe veyron is controled power and it is ot maxed out, the viper is raw power which will lead in parts failure in abour 2 or 3 races, the truth is that the viper has an amazing performance but is not meant to last as the bugatti
methosyoutuve 1 year ago
@atheist45 ok I love American cars but get the numbers right mate, from 0 to 60 the hennessey tt viper does almost the exact time as the veyron, the convertible version anyways cuz the the coupe does 2.6 - 2.9, veyron 2.5 from 0 to 62, then from 60 to 200 the veyron completly eats the viper, does 0 to 200 in 14 segs while the viper does it in 20 point something, more important than that is that the veyron will live to see another day, the viper would probably die after 200, trans would go, etc
methosyoutuve 1 year ago
@methosyoutuve
Actually, the Veyron takes 24 seconds, not 14. The Viper "eats" it, not the other way around. 0-60 obviously goes to the Veyron, being AWD compared to RWD like the Viper. As to the Viper being maxed out, I don't think so. It's probably closer to it's limit than the Veyron, but it still won't be breaking every few hours. If anything, the Veyron (being tons more complex) will be the one that breaks more often. The Bugatti is not meant as a daily driver either.
atheist45 1 year ago
@atheist45 actually the bugatti would last a long time as being a daily driver
JOHN140953 1 year ago
@atheist45 there is no point in trying to convince you that the veyron is a useable car compared to the viper....im gonna go ahead anyway the veyron took years of designing and testing to perfect and to be used daily the viper was just a fast car tuned thats it
aerlingus18 1 year ago
@atheist45 S2000 was around for many years, it has 120hp/l!!S2000 2.2 with almost 240 hp VS Chevy Coablt with also 2.2,BUT turbocharged yet producing almost 35 hp less!
CivicSportInjected 1 year ago
S2000 hasn't been around that long. It's also not an "average" motor. It does have great HP/Liter, BUT it is very peaky, and has very little torque/power until way up in the rev range. I think you'll find that a Cobalt will out accelerate an S2000, or be dead even, even though it's "less" power. Peak numbers mean nothing, it's the power under the curve that matters.
atheist45 1 year ago
@atheist45 Look around, its not faster,maybe if they do a roll start at 40 km/h in final gear,then the cobalt will win!!
CivicSportInjected 1 year ago
Caterham which is a reasonably cheapish euro sportscar gets 550 hp out of 2.4 liters.
When the Viper came it had around 400 hp out of more than 8 liters.
I know... low tech truck engine, reliability, torque. I know all that. But 400 hp. Thats just lazy. Why dont Lambo or Ferrari put 8 liter truck engines in their cars ? Because it doesnt work. It isnt how to build performance cars. The Viper is as out of its element as the Hummers. And like the Hummers. This is its last production year.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha where did you get a Caterham like that?
CivicSportInjected 1 year ago
Caterham RST-V8 Levante
Janusha 1 year ago
It's not quite fair to compare the latest best Caterham to the first Viper, the new Vipers are much better than 400. As for out of their element, the Viper holds it's own very well. It's faster than all the Lambos and Ferraris on the 'ring, and the 1/4 miles is no contest. I'm not arguing that big American engines are the best, but you seem to be discounting them as obsolete when they are far from that. I'm disappointed to see the Viper go. The Hummer is no loss.
atheist45 1 year ago
Please stop quoting Nurburgring times. First read up on what actually happens there. Its been a european track for nearly a century. Along comes america with their ultra modified cars and full factory race teams hungry for records to generate some desperate needed hype to sell cars. And now you talk like you actually know what the Ring is. The Viper ACR is a RACECAR. Ferrari, Porsche did 7 minute laps already 40 years ago. The hype only worked on net spammers. people still dont buy Vipers.
Janusha 1 year ago
If you think the European or Japanese companies did any different, you're being naive. Call the Viper ACR whatever you want, it's a fast car. This whole time you've been arguing that American cars aren't fast. The Enzo is no less of a "racecar". I don't even like the Viper (or any of the popular American cars) but I do respect them. Likewise, I really don't like Hondas, but I respect what they can do. Blanket statements against American cars in general is just fanboyism.
atheist45 1 year ago
Stop talking about the Enzo. It was the benchmark for performance cars when it was new 9 years ago. Also Ferrari DONT test their cars on the Nurburgring. Just like Lambo, Aston and the rest of the big names. Do you think there is actually a war going on between the big names and USA somehow... won the race ? Bullshit. USA spend more time generating hype and producing fake records than they spend time building good cars. Because in USA patriotism sells more cars than build quality.
Janusha 1 year ago
I guess it makes it easier for you to keep believing the US makes bad cars if you just come up with excuses as to why the examples I choose of are no good. And here I was thinking that the Enzo and Veyron were some of the better European cars. The truth is, with the exception of Lotus and Caterham, most of the high end European cars are not worth their cost. You are paying for a brand name, not for performance. You say patriotism sells cars in America, I say you have the same problem there.
atheist45 1 year ago
No no.. We dont bring nationalism and pride into it. In Europe people dont care where the car comes from. If its Japanese, American, German, if its good, people will buy it. However the quality of american cars have been such that they havent even been marketed in Europe for 2 decades. YOU might find the euro cars expensive and indeed they are.. but things are worth what people are willing to pay. If they priced them wrong, they wouldnt sell and would go bankrupt like american companies.
Janusha 1 year ago
Wonder why americans are so proud of occupying the cheap end of the market. The "ooh its not as good but its cheaper" market. How can they be happy to represent the kind of cars you buy when you cant afford what you want.
If you pick top10 cars. Would any be american? Its not all Ferrari and Lambo. Lets say top 20 cars. Still any american? Honestly on the list of top 30 cars that I can think of right now probably 2 would be american. Surely the worlds largest carcountry cant be happy with that.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha Lets bring nationalism AND pride into it. I'm American and I am fully aware of the fact that we don't produce supercars like the Italians or Germans, but all things considered, I'd buy 20 Camaro Yenko's before I bought a Ferrari or a Lambo.
brandonadcock1 1 year ago
@Janusha There is more to a car than how rich you look when you drive it, its about the soul, and how a car moves yours. If you like Lambos and Ferraris, great, but don't think that the Corvette ZR1 or Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR are slouches because they're "American".
brandonadcock1 1 year ago
@atheist45 Let the little Norwegian have his narrowminded little opinion, and go out and drop a MIL if he ever has that much money. Like I said, I could have a ZR1 or a SRT10 ACR and thats possible, $200k, tops. And while they might not "keep up" with the exotics....they just look better.
brandonadcock1 1 year ago
Luckily for you, you will never have to worry about choosing a Ferrari or a Corvette because american internet spammers, desperate to hail their cars as BEST IN THE WOOORLD arent necessarily the same people that actually buy these things. You and the rest of the bewildered flag waving fools can hype the Viper all you want but the fact is its being closed down because nobody actually buys them.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha I'm proud to be a "bewildered flag waving fool" you fuckstain. Why are Norwegians such pieces of shit. I''ll put my sisters SRT4 Neon against whatever the fuck you might be driving.
brandonadcock1 1 year ago
@brandonadcock1 which one looks better is just a matter of oppinion, not a fact. Im not taking sides just telling the truth
methosyoutuve 1 year ago
@atheist45 hondas suck big time, they are ok as family cars but as a race car they deserve no respect
methosyoutuve 1 year ago
@Janusha Haha, so funny....and true...sadly!!
CivicSportInjected 1 year ago
@Joeli086 Porsche do it best
snipski0894 10 months ago
@Janusha
This means a lot of workload for the small motor and shortens litetime.
Nevertheless the Koenigsegg CCX is a nice car and far ahead Ferrari.
cyberOwwwOecho 1 year ago
if you are talking about F1 engines with 800-900 hp out of 2 litre engines, then sure. They wont last for long. Koenigsegg gets their engines from a brittish company that makes F1 engines. They bench-test every engine up to 13-1500 hp before they go into cars with a more modest 900-1000. Nobody has ever blown an engine. Its a die-hard american myth that you need 5-6-7 even 8 litre engines to have any torque or durability. Probably because american cars never ever tried anything different.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha But viper reaches 2500 hp with mods, and this thing stays in 1000hp area.
INeedToLiveLonger 1 year ago
@INeedToLiveLonger
haha you dont MOD a god damn Koenigsegg dude.. There is a difference between a truck engined plastic american shit and the real thing. The Viper engine is twice as big.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha There are people which takes standard as given, there are people which follows emotions.
INeedToLiveLonger 1 year ago
Which means... ?
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha european engineering;D
florian558866 1 year ago
@Janusha thats why i like european cars!!!
myvideoisnotgood 1 year ago
@Janusha but the dodge with a twin turbo strapped on creates over 1200
2020182 1 year ago
@2020182
And that makes a dodge as good as a Koenigsegg ?
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha not it means the engine design is alot better than the dodges
meuske95 1 year ago
@2020182 Maybe but the viper's engine is almost twice the size of the ccx's engine.
3XICS 11 months ago
@Janusha well no shit, american cars are garbage, and inefficient as possible
cheaniggachea 1 year ago 2
ok lets settle this
Lamborghini makes much more beautiful cars
But the CCX would smoke all of them easily
zXFreeStyleXz 2 years ago 3
Let's settle this, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
DntMssWthTx 2 years ago 6
that engine scary me !! 5* for the engine:)
OGboy2009 2 years ago 3
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aahahah UGLY!!!! a Lambo is better!!!!!
OGboy2009 2 years ago
HAHAHAHHA!!!!
A Lambo is nice but not that nice.
RobbyRaiAshtray1122 2 years ago
ahahhahahaaa u call this nice???
i said nice not fast!!! this is 200 times faster that an Lambo but that roof is bad,,,,,,,,,,,,,
OGboy2009 2 years ago
You're seriously saying a Lamborghini is nicer because the roof on the Koenigsegg is "bad"? Both vehicles are built with top of the line materials and are both extremely nice to drive and be comfortable doing so. The only difference is as you mentioned and thats that the CCX is quite a bit faster.
Comparing this car with a Lamborghini is just like saying that you would take a Ferrari over a McLaren F1 because you didn't like the headlights or some other body part.
RobbyRaiAshtray1122 2 years ago
yeah sure... i dnt like ccx.....thats all....
now i'm w8ing a 5 tons of bad comments ( the hand upside down)
but still i dnt like it...mayB in future,when a new version appears....
OGboy2009 2 years ago
I guess its you're preferance. You can show a Picasso to two people. One would say that its a beautiful piece of art and the other would say "Wtf is that? You call that art?". I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
RobbyRaiAshtray1122 2 years ago
agree with that.....what r u tryin' 2 say is that CCx is beautiful that e.g. murcielago? :)
the only thing that i dont like is the roof:) is there any cabrio version of CCX?
OGboy2009 2 years ago
All Koenigsegg's have a removable roof so yes, technically there is a cabrio.
What about the murcielago? I don't understand.
RobbyRaiAshtray1122 2 years ago
lamborghinis is beautiful, but a köenigsegg is hell of a lot faster.
tipo2106 2 years ago 5
the ccxr is extremley rare, 6 car in the entire world.
ccx is an production car.
Davidloled 2 years ago
Also from memory the CCXR and CCR are basically the same car. Only the XR is tuned to run on BIODIESEL which alone is what makes the extra power.
CCR owners can take their car back to the factory and have it modified to the same specs as the CCXR.
Oh I think the CCXR comes unpainted as well.
shakybones007 2 years ago
wot bout the ccxR
Thelifeofalegend 2 years ago
damn boring all videos in this shit says coming soon :S
ImHated1986 2 years ago
Have fun with that truck with an identity crisis...
Air0374 2 years ago
I look foward to the video.
GreenJoe5 2 years ago 2
you have no balls
stvna8040 2 years ago 2
$2 million for a car that is way better than ANY Veyron. Is it worth it?
HELL YA
Koenigseggs Rule
Corveette 2 years ago 4
You are so right... This new model is even better looking that any bugatti...!
;)
andy13x06 2 years ago
2 Million?
Last I checked a CCX costed 695k.
InfectiousGore 2 years ago
not really., the Veyron is extremely fast but also very luxurious, the CCX just seems more like a car you would drive at the track while the bugatti is something you can drive down palm beach or anywhere... its a preference i guess..
aerovlad 2 years ago
i would love to drive the CCX down a palm beach.......its absolutely gorgeous (better looking than the Veyron, sorry Bugatti fans) and very powerful too...
toolfan92 2 years ago 3
really? i dunno., but it just doesnt seem like a car you can 'chill' in.., ahh whatevs, its a preference.. i would be happy to have either, both beasts!!
aerovlad 2 years ago
haha chill as in driving down the streets....having jealous eyes stare.....bacardi rum in hand...sure beats the hell of my father's nissan!
toolfan92 2 years ago
nissan? psh, beat my bike any day!! lol, thats for now., cant wait to get my Land Rover :D soon, so soon...
aerovlad 2 years ago
but wait., where did you see that it cost 2 million?
aerovlad 2 years ago
Koenigsegg.....waaay much better than the Bugatti :)
NiruL3l 2 years ago 19
@NiruL3l lol bugatti is king, this car will never be king
devil7995 1 year ago
@devil7995 Maybe if you put some better juice in it..
Jarvile 1 year ago
@NiruL3l not faster.
Ronnie51026 1 year ago
@NiruL3l
If you want to go below 400km/h, Koenigsegg is enough. But if you want to go OVER 400 km/h and simply want to have the BEST car, you need al Bugatti 16.4 Super Sport, which is still 40 km faster.
cyberOwwwOecho 1 year ago
@cyberOwwwOecho But if the Swedes deliver a V8 with 2 Comp with 1060hp and 1080nm, but the Germans deliver a v16 with 4 turbos with 1001hp and 1200nm. It got twice as big engine, but still the swedes manage to keep up with it. Got to give them that. Koenigsegg enginex2 = 2120hp and 2160nm. BBAAAAAAAAAAAMM
morrarN 1 year ago
@morrarN
Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Super Sport delivers 1.200 hp and 1250 Nm.
cyberOwwwOecho 1 year ago
@morrarN its a W16 Big difference.
XxViciousxX 1 year ago
saw this clip and i jizzed in my pants
lukestuart1 2 years ago 2
lol
warhawkpro 2 years ago
ahghaha
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