@kickballBartek It's not "practice ammo", it's just not the military ammo. Not to mention what you said about the polymer tip is both ridiculous and impossible.
I would have thought that the 5.7 would have had no difficulty fully penetrating the jug. The .45 acp would pack a bigger punch with a muzzle energy in the 415 ft-lbf compared to the 5.7 at roughly 345 ft-lbf, but the higher velocity coupled with the smaller diameter of the 5.7 should have given it better penetration. Color me surprised. Either one would prove lethal to a human target.
Why so much hate on southerners? Ignorant adults trying to be cool and put someone down. Grow up. He can't help he talks like that he was raised in that kind of community.
Watching this guy's reviews is like watching a monkey try to fuck a football. You know it will be a major fail but it's fucking hilarious to watch his ignorance make him stumble all over the place.
imho this design is pretty clever..close to genius. We American's tend to be closeminded and think bigger is ALWAYS better. The europeans found out you can increase stopping power and decrease recoil which effects shootability by simply making a more effiecient cartrige in tranfering energy. A round that has 1000ftbls of energy means nothing if it only tranfers 10% or 20% of that energy and passes through. the elite s4m is nasty it reaches 2600 fps and tumbles and fragments with good penetration
@dreamz20091 Different Bullet. The V-Max is a varmint bullet meant to hit and fragment violently so they cause cavitation before it exits the animal. Most bullets actually take about 2-3 inches before the massive wound cavity starts to form. Bullets that will penetrate armor are either FMJ going very fast at soft armor, or AP which have a Steel or tungsten penetrator for ceramic plate armor. In reality the Vmax will do more damage to an unprotected target as it is meant to fragment on impact.
Over penetration from the 5.7? With tungsten or steel core, sure, but with a polymer tip hollow point--the only available commercial ammunition--no way. MAYBE if it didn't expand properly and missed everything important...it's high velocity, but really it's still just a glorified .22 bullet. I would choose it over a .22 in a heartbeat, but still...
@deathblow101ify There is also the matter that the .45 is also a more powerful round overall. the 5.7 is not that powerful, but what makes in fearful is that it is kinda of an armor piercer. the .45 knocked the jug over because that it is what it is made to do, deliver savage kinetic energy to whatever it hits while the 5.7 is just made to plainly pierce into a body.
@JSHADOWM Look up Brassfetcher's tests involving the 5.7 x 28 and Elite Ammunition's defensive loadings. EA's loading is more powerful than the military loading. The guy that does the testing on the website brassfetcher came to the conclusion that EA's loading with the 5.7 was more powerful than .45 ACP. Before you say I'm wrong, please look it up first or I can provide you the link.
@JSHADOWM Do your research. the 5.7 with a 23gr bullet actually packs about double the energy of a 220gr 45 ACP when fired through the same length barrel. The 45 will also lose power very quickly due to an almost non existent ballistic coefficient.
@jboehm9 while it maybe deliver more energy, this energy will only make it go through you like you were butter, not doing as much "damage"
The .45 is meant to just destroy shit, while the 5.7 is made for maximum penetration.
and before you ask, it is true than damage does not matter when you put 2 rounds through the heart and 1 through the head of the guy you want to take down (even a .35 auto pistol kills with that technique)
@jboehm9 Where are you getting your ballistics? From the research I did the 5.7x28 has slightly less energy than a 9mm. Using the equation E=1/2 *Mass*Velocity*Velocity. A 23 grain bullet would have to be traveling over 2700 fps to MATCH the energy of a 220 grain .45 traveling at 850 fps. The 5.7's advantage seems to be its penetration, low of recoil, and capacity; not its knock-down power.
@nbalexander1421 energy in itself does'nt tell the whole picture. Although the .45 has more energy it does'nt like most conventional hangun ammo tranfer as much of the energy available as 5.7 does. Because of the light weight,high speed combined with the tumbling or fragmentation it delivers 100% energy tranfer in soft targets. People tend to equate what bullets do on hard targets as the same as what will happen in flesh...two tottally different things. 5.7's are wicked in flesh
@lamont0414 As an avid hunter I have to disagree. I've shot hyper velocity bullets into white tail deer and had them trot off 60 yards after well placed shots, I've also seen a .45 cal bullet out of a muzzle loader drop them stone dead with the same bullet placement. There is much to be said for the actual size of a bullet in terms of diameter and weight. This isn't ballistic gel, it's not numbers, it's real life testing, real results.
@MikeMalkowski i'd agree tottally with you but 5.7 isn't a hunting cartridge or designed for wild game. Animals are way tougher than humans as we all know. Plus the tumbling s195's or elite s4 ultra raptors are a tottally different beast than your typical hollowpoint or ballistic tip rifle. they tranfer their energy in a much quicker rather than a controlled deeper penetration needed in hunting. its comparing apples and oranges. all that said i have great respect for the .45 also
u said 45 white box which is just reg ammo compared to the 5x7 good ammo and still the 45 had more knock down power if u used a better 45 round would have been even better... like the 5x7 but guns are two expensive.. u can buy a 45 semi-auto and buy a 556 rifle buy the time u pay for a 5x7 pistol i would rather have two guns with two diff types of ammo...
Like comparing apples & oranges. You want to put something down at close range with 1 hit in any region....45 You want flatter shooting at longer range.....5.7 You want penetration.....5.7AP As for using frozen water......it's not really a good substitute for anything you might come across in a real world situation. Personally, I've experienced .45 hard ball bouncing off of wet hardwood without leaving so much as a dent from 20 feet. BUT, the energy imparted to the wood was impressive.
I waited this whole video to hear some "talkin bout what's up my bitches" and all i heard was guns, guns, guns, blah, blah ice in the face, blah. THUMBS DOWN!
The round that he used for the FN 5.7 was designed that way so it would not over penetrate hence the blue cap. what that does is on impact it forces the round to split or fragment so it does not over penetrate.
@deathblow101ify fmj is not armour piercing, thats one of the dumbest things ive heard in a long time. why you got a thumbs up for being stupid is beyond me. thats almost as stupid as the bitch who said incendinary bullets are heat seeking
@RYANSCHLESINGER i believe that he means a 5.7 fmj round would likely be considered a ap bullet so the rounds used were probably jhp. Where as a normal ap round has a steel core, the 5.7 was designed for armor penetration, so a simple lead core might increase the penetration on a 5.7 round pass legal limits
idk witch man the 5.7 has more armor piercing capabilitys but kinda low on stpping power the .45 acp is better with stopping power but it can be stoped wit ha kevlaer b proof vest idk the colt .45 holds 7 rounds the fn 57 holds 15 or 20 idk i guess ill go with fn 57
How many situations will you ever come accross where you need to penetrate body armor? .45 ACP would destroy that puny 5.7 in a flesh target, especially if the .45 was a nice hollow point. Ask the numerous Seals, Rangers, and other special tactics units worldwide why they choose .45 The only reason the secret service uses 5.7x28 is because of how controllable it is as they are alot more concerned about friendly targets
@deathblow101ify I've got blue, red and white tipped 5.7x28mm rounds for my PS90, but I don't know off hand if any of them are notably more potent than the others. What I do know is that ammo for the PS90 is a bit pricey, so I won't be shooting into frozen jugs of milk any time soon to find out!
@TJ347 question, any of your color tips coming out of the ps90 will be deadly either way due to
longer barrel=double velocity+engergy. now about your rounds, if im correct your blue tips are just the sporting round SS197SR blue tip , the red tip being SS196SR and the white tip SS193. Red tip 2,092 fps-389 ft.lb
blue tip 2,034fps-256ft.lb and the white tip would be the subsonic round which illegal so im guessing u meant grey tips which has 1,790fps-356ft.lb. so even from the pistol
45 wins the 5.7 is only 28 grain =P vs 45 which has a rang of types from 165-230 grains. the 45 you shoot once some one is dead shoot the 5.7 shoot them 3 time them maybe >=P This is the reason why the 1911 has been in service for over 100 years
The .45 ACP is a sledgehammer when it plows into somebody or something, big heavy and round. The 5.7 is a faster moving slender bullet which hits more like a pick ax. Either way, I'm running in the opposite direction. ;)
the .45ACP, while more powerful produces far more recoil than the 5.7, which has 30% less recoil than a 9x19. This means that you can fire faster, while still putting lots of rounds on target. The 5.7 was even found to be superior to the 9mm parabellum by NATO, but was rejected by Germany.
@deathblow101ify fmj rounds are def. legal for citizens to have and are not armor piercing, i don't know a whole lot about 5.7mm but i suppose they may be illegal in fmj but i dont know.... just speaking about FMJ rounds in general.
@bertman668 ya FMJ for the 5.7x28mm are restricted by FN them selves, only for military and law enforcement
use only which is why u can't find them. All the restricted rounds by FN such as ss190, L191, SB193, T194, and SS198LF are all AP. But ones for civilians purchase are ss192, SS195LF, SS196SR, and the SS197SR.
That is if you can find them, due to a few have been discontinued.
exactly as it should be, the 5,7x28 mm was not designed for overpenetration. it is meant to strike a single person with or without body armor and destroy the internal organs without hitting anything behind that person. go ahead, put a bulletproof vest on those milkjugs and try the same test from 50 meters.
last time i checked frozen milk...not a good representation of the human body. And the fact that this gentleman is using "i didn't get any ice back in the face" as a measure of the power, is dumb. period.
It is still clear that the larger slower bullet transfers more kenetic energy than the lighter, faster rounds. Though each round is lethal, both have areas they can out perform the other, the 5.7 was developed to defeat body armor. The .45 was developed to stop the threat....
@EloyBestwanger you know your stuff and perfect comment. Was what I was trying to tell MAVHunter20xx,
but clearly he had no clue what the 2 firearm was design for. Every firearm/Round is design for a specific
purpose, and in most case some are the same such as 1911 45acp compare to sig sauer p220 also 45 acp
with slighter shorter barrel. being said similar both shoots 45acp. Now you want long rang and saying a weapon a weapon, any will do like s&w500 comopare to M16. both design for diff apps
I don't understand why people think FMJ is armor peircing!? The catogory of armor peircing is in the relm of anti tank rounds. FMJ is the choice rounds for target shooting because they are cheeper and they don't expand causing less damage than JHP.
Like I said to someone else here, you can penetrate soft body armore with any high power rifle round which I just bought yesterday. However, any use of any firearm that is not in the relm of sport, hunting, or self defence is a federal offence.
@deathblow101ify What? I can buy FMJ at your local walmart. I have almost 150 rounds of it in my closet that use for target shooting. JHP is what I use for self defence. If I person is wearing body armor, I either aim lower or higher.
A high power rifle will go through soft body armor like butter. And I own one, not that I'll shot any body with it, but it's not illega, neither should it be.
Its. a .224 round. You can get varmint hunting rounds and load your own for your five-seven. those vermin rounds will literally remove limbs. they are not legal for use in war do to the geneva convention. But for penetration. complaining that a sporting round doesn't over penetrate? really? how about over penetration is bad in the first place. Even the AP rounds are reported to have a good constancy with no over penetration even if it is hitting someone through a vest or not.
maybe because the armour piercing ammo is only legal for sale to military and law enforcement and only plastic tip shit is availible for everyone else, if i remember correctly, either way its all shit except the real roun
I like your videos, however I do not like the references to 'you bitches'. Having said that, it is my view, If you want to be taken seriously drop the 'urban slang' IMHO. Keep on with the videos, I can appreciate the time you spent in demonstrating these weapons.
the 45 acp wont penetrate lvl 4 plate and break into three peices with the jacket tumbling. armor or no the 5.7 you are dead, hence why the secret service carry them, plus frozen milk jugs arent a very good control group guys, like he said
the 45 acp wont penetrate lvl 4 plate and break into three peices with the jacket tumbling. armor or no the 5.7 you are dead, hence why the secret service carry them
The only criticism I would have is that the blue tip of the SS197 is plastic and supposed to split and mushroom so you don't have a AP round. A better comparison for the rounds at your disposal would be hollow points for the 1911.
I'm not sure how many of you actually know what you're talking about. What I mean to say is I am positive that none of you are speaking from experience. I wear body armor for a living. I've seen countless GSW's. On flesh, 115gr 9mm FMJ has a problem with over-penetration. So does 40gr 5.7x28mm. 230gr .45ACP does not. Surface area and velocity. On 20ply kevlar the chances of first round penetration on a new vest are 27%, 95%, 8% respectively. I have never seen kevlar stop any rifle round.
i keep seeming "id rather have 20 rounds than 8" while that is ideal it only takes one to do the job from a .45. if you practice with your pistol instead of letting it collect dust in your truck or home you want need more than 2 or 3
@"you should never need an entire magazine." You gonna be thinking that when an intruder is in your house? The large capacity is just gravy considering the 5-7 is easier to shoot accurately. I will have 3 rounds on target before the average .45 shooter has 2. Shoot the 2 side-by-side and then tell me you want the .45.
@greenarcher180 Unless you are going into combat or dont know how to shoot your gun you should never need an entire magazine. Plus sure the 5.7 "shattered" the ice but the 45 turned it into shaved ice. also the further you get away the larger round will carry more energy vs the little 5.7mm.
Today's handgun is about control and power. The biggest cannon won't help you if you cannot get or stay on target. The 5-7 offers better control and reacquisition in a real time and multiple shot scenario. Not to mention defeating a vest. The .45 is a dinosaur that recoils like a MULE and is harder to shoot accurately. Come into the 21st century.
@tylerdurden1971 hey bro...you type like a girl in middle-school..and all these folks are getting mad but why are they watching the videos?? because they dont have a badass backyard to play in like TMH. Stop hating and go somewhere else!
Of course over penetration isn't there... You are using the civilian round for the Five-Seven. I guarantee you that if you somehow got a hold of the hollow point version of the 5.7x28mm it would be a different story.
@ZTKki113R Hey JaackAss You Can Buy The Hollow Points At ANY Gun Shop $25-$30 A Box Of 50 DipShit,And Besides You Dumb Som Bitch The Ballistic Tips Are Way More Devastating GO FUCK YOURSELF!!
Every time I start one of your videos I cringe at your intro. Not only that but NEVER have I EVER found anything informative in your videos. You know very very little about firearms and ammunition. Your tests are also poorly done. You need to learn more and present yourself in a more professional manner before anyone will take you seriously.
@516N4L Why don't YOU do video tests? Why don't you impart all of your knowledge unto us lowly YouTube watchers? Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. So critical, how bout you teach instead of just being a bastard sitting back and blasting people for shooting and having fun. Good God man! If you have ideas about a video done correctly do one your own damn self.
The winchester whitebox stuff is not personal defense stuff designed for maximum tissue damage, it is practice FMJ. Its primary design consideration was whether or not it fires and the bullet flies. Newb.
Depending on yaw of the 5.7x28 (since length of bullet) it might be as effective as a .45 if it could yaw upon impact. And the length of the bullet can exceed 12mm in length. Or atleast yaw before 3" of penetration. Assuming a frontal shot to the chest.
As far as Energy Dump this is false. The small mass of the 5.7x28 would severely limit the amount of energy that the 5.7x28 would inflict. For example my neighbors SKS (16" barrel) will knock down steel target plates at 150 yards while his "Ballisticly Superior" 5.56x45 NATO (NOT .223 Remington) Bushmaster AR-15 (16" barrel) just simply cannot. Even though the 5.56 or .223 travels between 4-600 fps faster it still cannot outperform (energy and penetration) the larger diameter and heavier, bulle
Go to a butcher and buy 20lb of meat and ribs. Shoot those to get a better comparison. As far as "energy" goes pistols will never be as effective as a rifle. As long as the pistol cartradge is traveling under 2,300 fps theres no reason to say that a smaller diameter pistol cartradge will out-perform a larger diameter. 5.7x28 will never be more effective then a .45 ACP.
You guys should realize that the reason that the 5.7x22 didnt penetrate all the way is that it was able to dump all of its energy in the ice. Which, from a ballistics standpoint, is a very good thing. the .45 is a known heavy hitter, but going through and through is not the preferable result when you want stopping power.
@cbroadhurst11 I call for a re-test using ribs and brisket!! But honestly, even if he WERE able to get his hands on some 'high performance' 5.7 JHPs, and compared them to the widely available & LEGAL .45 Federal HST's for example..I think the .45 would still embarrass the 5.7....bigger/heavier round that still transfers all of its energy, while creating massive wound cavities will always be the better manstopper
not the sharpest knife in the drawer for sure, ballisticly challenged. This guy could use some classes in ballistics! Personally, I'll stick to my .45 and head shots
no doubt, the .45 ACP is a proven hard hitter, where as the 5.7 round was really designed for penetrating vests. So unless the poor bastard you're shooting at is wearing body armor, stick with the .45
ACP ASS CLAPPIN PISTOL
pierdolonyangol37 4 days ago
8:28 This is just ice, uhhh frozen ice. Lmao... DUH.
Th3IronCh3F 5 days ago
Buddie, lets shot at a pig, and you can see de difference of the 5.7x28mm vs 45ACP...
ASKRios88 6 days ago
lmao u gotta love rednecks
Zaarour8 2 weeks ago
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kickballBartek 2 weeks ago
@kickballBartek It's not "practice ammo", it's just not the military ammo. Not to mention what you said about the polymer tip is both ridiculous and impossible.
Nater245689 1 week ago
Was them .45 Hollows?
Uptown21st 3 weeks ago
wathever esas son pendejadas
landeros5881 3 weeks ago
The 5.7 has 100% energy dump. The 45 is a man stopper because the cross section is larger and a larger area of damage
playaplaw 1 month ago
I would have thought that the 5.7 would have had no difficulty fully penetrating the jug. The .45 acp would pack a bigger punch with a muzzle energy in the 415 ft-lbf compared to the 5.7 at roughly 345 ft-lbf, but the higher velocity coupled with the smaller diameter of the 5.7 should have given it better penetration. Color me surprised. Either one would prove lethal to a human target.
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45 ACP - more energy, large cavity, low pressures
5.7x28 - low recoil, high mag capacity, high velocity
.45 ACP is a large pistol round, 5.7x28 is a small rifle round....at least that's how I see things
shmuckling 1 month ago
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shmuckling 1 month ago
dude lose the bitches
garyac247 1 month ago 3
NOSEAS TONTO 45 ES DE IMPACTO Y 5.7 ES D EPENETRACION COMO VA SA COMPARAR EL DAÑO DAT
jesus48875 1 month ago
its funny, cuz the 5.7 was originally only supposed to be police/military only since their ballistics vest wont stop the bullet.
deltawolf1124 1 month ago
@5:55 As you can see the explosive damage of the .45 is really bad ass. . . .
GlasGhost 1 month ago
Why so much hate on southerners? Ignorant adults trying to be cool and put someone down. Grow up. He can't help he talks like that he was raised in that kind of community.
bazookajoethethird 1 month ago
Watching this guy's reviews is like watching a monkey try to fuck a football. You know it will be a major fail but it's fucking hilarious to watch his ignorance make him stumble all over the place.
mikesmith007x 1 month ago
wow this guy probably dropped out of grade school early. fucken guy cant even speak.
'hopefuly my camera don't..... its doesn't or does not u inbred redneck. u still bang your mom
polskigangster001 1 month ago
@polskigangster001 without the south you US wouldnt be where its at today, so be quite
zSiZRSx 1 month ago
If you were using white box ammo you would have no problem with that ice
donykallz 2 months ago
you shot the .45 12 times and the Five-seveN 5 times...
syphiloid 2 months ago
You not only talk like an idiot, your orange cap makes you look like a total goof ball.
mds19238 2 months ago
imho this design is pretty clever..close to genius. We American's tend to be closeminded and think bigger is ALWAYS better. The europeans found out you can increase stopping power and decrease recoil which effects shootability by simply making a more effiecient cartrige in tranfering energy. A round that has 1000ftbls of energy means nothing if it only tranfers 10% or 20% of that energy and passes through. the elite s4m is nasty it reaches 2600 fps and tumbles and fragments with good penetration
lamont0414 2 months ago
@lamont0414 Like the US did in the 50's with the 223?
koxiesarmy 3 weeks ago
Red Diamond tea is awesome
jobeth54 2 months ago
That's weird the 5 7 didn't penetrate because its ment to go through body armor
dreamz20091 2 months ago
@dreamz20091 Different Bullet. The V-Max is a varmint bullet meant to hit and fragment violently so they cause cavitation before it exits the animal. Most bullets actually take about 2-3 inches before the massive wound cavity starts to form. Bullets that will penetrate armor are either FMJ going very fast at soft armor, or AP which have a Steel or tungsten penetrator for ceramic plate armor. In reality the Vmax will do more damage to an unprotected target as it is meant to fragment on impact.
jboehm9 2 months ago
Should get some EA 5.7 x 28, that stuff would impress people.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
prefer the 45acp
NITECOREPD 3 months ago
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Fotis416 3 months ago
@Fotis416 LOL Ignorant.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@sunriftboy1 then why did you click the video if you wanted info
4everUSNavy 3 months ago
Over penetration from the 5.7? With tungsten or steel core, sure, but with a polymer tip hollow point--the only available commercial ammunition--no way. MAYBE if it didn't expand properly and missed everything important...it's high velocity, but really it's still just a glorified .22 bullet. I would choose it over a .22 in a heartbeat, but still...
caman5 4 months ago
that 5.7 is just dying to have a Insight M3X in Dark Earth hanging on that rail...
MultiSr16 4 months ago
@deathblow101ify There is also the matter that the .45 is also a more powerful round overall. the 5.7 is not that powerful, but what makes in fearful is that it is kinda of an armor piercer. the .45 knocked the jug over because that it is what it is made to do, deliver savage kinetic energy to whatever it hits while the 5.7 is just made to plainly pierce into a body.
JSHADOWM 4 months ago
@JSHADOWM Look up Brassfetcher's tests involving the 5.7 x 28 and Elite Ammunition's defensive loadings. EA's loading is more powerful than the military loading. The guy that does the testing on the website brassfetcher came to the conclusion that EA's loading with the 5.7 was more powerful than .45 ACP. Before you say I'm wrong, please look it up first or I can provide you the link.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@JSHADOWM Do your research. the 5.7 with a 23gr bullet actually packs about double the energy of a 220gr 45 ACP when fired through the same length barrel. The 45 will also lose power very quickly due to an almost non existent ballistic coefficient.
jboehm9 2 months ago
@jboehm9 while it maybe deliver more energy, this energy will only make it go through you like you were butter, not doing as much "damage"
The .45 is meant to just destroy shit, while the 5.7 is made for maximum penetration.
and before you ask, it is true than damage does not matter when you put 2 rounds through the heart and 1 through the head of the guy you want to take down (even a .35 auto pistol kills with that technique)
JSHADOWM 2 months ago
@jboehm9 Where are you getting your ballistics? From the research I did the 5.7x28 has slightly less energy than a 9mm. Using the equation E=1/2 *Mass*Velocity*Velocity. A 23 grain bullet would have to be traveling over 2700 fps to MATCH the energy of a 220 grain .45 traveling at 850 fps. The 5.7's advantage seems to be its penetration, low of recoil, and capacity; not its knock-down power.
nbalexander1421 2 months ago
@nbalexander1421 energy in itself does'nt tell the whole picture. Although the .45 has more energy it does'nt like most conventional hangun ammo tranfer as much of the energy available as 5.7 does. Because of the light weight,high speed combined with the tumbling or fragmentation it delivers 100% energy tranfer in soft targets. People tend to equate what bullets do on hard targets as the same as what will happen in flesh...two tottally different things. 5.7's are wicked in flesh
lamont0414 2 months ago 7
@lamont0414 Agreed, I think the tumble effect was defeated by the solid ice "body" So unless your attacker is frozen I think you'll destroy them.
ShadowtheRotarygod 2 months ago 9
@ShadowtheRotarygod but what if its mr freeze or even worse...sub zero?
djqx 2 weeks ago
@djqx Well in that case I don't think the 45 will help either. Flamethrower?
And for Sub zero, VZ61 skorpion? See what i did there lol.
ShadowtheRotarygod 2 weeks ago
@lamont0414 As an avid hunter I have to disagree. I've shot hyper velocity bullets into white tail deer and had them trot off 60 yards after well placed shots, I've also seen a .45 cal bullet out of a muzzle loader drop them stone dead with the same bullet placement. There is much to be said for the actual size of a bullet in terms of diameter and weight. This isn't ballistic gel, it's not numbers, it's real life testing, real results.
MikeMalkowski 3 days ago
@MikeMalkowski i'd agree tottally with you but 5.7 isn't a hunting cartridge or designed for wild game. Animals are way tougher than humans as we all know. Plus the tumbling s195's or elite s4 ultra raptors are a tottally different beast than your typical hollowpoint or ballistic tip rifle. they tranfer their energy in a much quicker rather than a controlled deeper penetration needed in hunting. its comparing apples and oranges. all that said i have great respect for the .45 also
lamont0414 1 day ago
not to mention a 556 rifle would aim better and better accurate range..
carolinatech88 4 months ago
u said 45 white box which is just reg ammo compared to the 5x7 good ammo and still the 45 had more knock down power if u used a better 45 round would have been even better... like the 5x7 but guns are two expensive.. u can buy a 45 semi-auto and buy a 556 rifle buy the time u pay for a 5x7 pistol i would rather have two guns with two diff types of ammo...
carolinatech88 4 months ago
Like comparing apples & oranges. You want to put something down at close range with 1 hit in any region....45 You want flatter shooting at longer range.....5.7 You want penetration.....5.7AP As for using frozen water......it's not really a good substitute for anything you might come across in a real world situation. Personally, I've experienced .45 hard ball bouncing off of wet hardwood without leaving so much as a dent from 20 feet. BUT, the energy imparted to the wood was impressive.
bob5944 4 months ago
I waited this whole video to hear some "talkin bout what's up my bitches" and all i heard was guns, guns, guns, blah, blah ice in the face, blah. THUMBS DOWN!
19DeltaDave 4 months ago
Interesting comparison. Thank you my bitch!
jgbelmont 4 months ago
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IMPULZ951 4 months ago
@deathblow101ify read description
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this guy is a retard!!!!!
waggs243 5 months ago
Wow! You found an ultra rare 9mm casing. Lucky!
a2birdcage1 5 months ago
I'd rather have the good old .45
WTF1920 5 months ago
Does your dad know you took his guns out??
BabyHuey7705 5 months ago
pretty sure a human isn't like shooting a frozen gallon of water lol....i'll take the FN Five-seveN any day!!!
BabyHuey7705 5 months ago
The round that he used for the FN 5.7 was designed that way so it would not over penetrate hence the blue cap. what that does is on impact it forces the round to split or fragment so it does not over penetrate.
redzwashere 5 months ago
That's one bad hat Harry.
newsman1066 5 months ago
the first thing would be to use the same amount of ammo out of both weapons instead of 10 rounds out of the 45 but only 5 rounds out of the 5.7
went4asoda 5 months ago
@deathblow101ify fmj is not armour piercing, thats one of the dumbest things ive heard in a long time. why you got a thumbs up for being stupid is beyond me. thats almost as stupid as the bitch who said incendinary bullets are heat seeking
RYANSCHLESINGER 6 months ago
@RYANSCHLESINGER i believe that he means a 5.7 fmj round would likely be considered a ap bullet so the rounds used were probably jhp. Where as a normal ap round has a steel core, the 5.7 was designed for armor penetration, so a simple lead core might increase the penetration on a 5.7 round pass legal limits
CyxEmg 5 months ago
5.7 > .45. I like the 5.7 round much better.
MRcalibrecincuenta 6 months ago
video starts @ 1:24
Tacman556 6 months ago
idk witch man the 5.7 has more armor piercing capabilitys but kinda low on stpping power the .45 acp is better with stopping power but it can be stoped wit ha kevlaer b proof vest idk the colt .45 holds 7 rounds the fn 57 holds 15 or 20 idk i guess ill go with fn 57
YESMAN977 6 months ago
@deathblow101ify in the info he says what rounds hes using
MrBrickman727 6 months ago
How many situations will you ever come accross where you need to penetrate body armor? .45 ACP would destroy that puny 5.7 in a flesh target, especially if the .45 was a nice hollow point. Ask the numerous Seals, Rangers, and other special tactics units worldwide why they choose .45 The only reason the secret service uses 5.7x28 is because of how controllable it is as they are alot more concerned about friendly targets
lEgaLiZeVOLVE 6 months ago
@deathblow101ify I've got blue, red and white tipped 5.7x28mm rounds for my PS90, but I don't know off hand if any of them are notably more potent than the others. What I do know is that ammo for the PS90 is a bit pricey, so I won't be shooting into frozen jugs of milk any time soon to find out!
TJ347 6 months ago
@TJ347 well its hard to answer you question because u didn;t provide enough info on your rounds,
such the rounds product # but I will do my best to give some details. some needed details on yours I need
to know if it is painted or color polymer tips. But seeing how you have a ps90 not the 5.7 pistol the gun and its
barrel makes a significantly big difference with the rounds. First off the 5.7 pistol has a berrel of 4.82 inch
while the ps90 has a barrel of 16.04 ince. so to answer your quest
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deathblow101ify 6 months ago
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@TJ347 question, any of your color tips coming out of the ps90 will be deadly either way due to
longer barrel=double velocity+engergy. now about your rounds, if im correct your blue tips are just the sporting round SS197SR blue tip , the red tip being SS196SR and the white tip SS193. Red tip 2,092 fps-389 ft.lb
blue tip 2,034fps-256ft.lb and the white tip would be the subsonic round which illegal so im guessing u meant grey tips which has 1,790fps-356ft.lb. so even from the pistol
deathblow101ify 6 months ago
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@TJ347 the pistol the red tips which has higher speed/energy. But take into consideration that
your shooting the ps90 which doubles the rounds velocity/energy. Either way with the PS90 any of your rounds
will be deadly. Hope this helps a little since I wasn't sure if your rounds were colored polymer tips or painted color tips. good day.
deathblow101ify 6 months ago
People aren't made of ice, this in no way to judge whether or not a round over penetrates or not.
jamesjr934 6 months ago
i know what im gonna use to make snow this year :D
MrCatman1775 6 months ago
45 wins the 5.7 is only 28 grain =P vs 45 which has a rang of types from 165-230 grains. the 45 you shoot once some one is dead shoot the 5.7 shoot them 3 time them maybe >=P This is the reason why the 1911 has been in service for over 100 years
RTgrunt114 6 months ago
The .45 ACP is a sledgehammer when it plows into somebody or something, big heavy and round. The 5.7 is a faster moving slender bullet which hits more like a pick ax. Either way, I'm running in the opposite direction. ;)
vulpixgrant 7 months ago
i hate cold weather..
zerosix1786 7 months ago
the .45ACP, while more powerful produces far more recoil than the 5.7, which has 30% less recoil than a 9x19. This means that you can fire faster, while still putting lots of rounds on target. The 5.7 was even found to be superior to the 9mm parabellum by NATO, but was rejected by Germany.
okie1011 7 months ago
@deathblow101ify fmj isn't illegal to purchase at all so what is your argument?
Monkeygodsunite1 7 months ago
Do you have any friends buried out there?
majpoopiepants 7 months ago
45 acp , perfect slushie tool.
636rx8 7 months ago
I love Red Diamond Tea!!
thehamm3r256 7 months ago
@xcfan its like a way of saying hi these days
EverthingIphone 8 months ago
@deathblow101ify fmj rounds are def. legal for citizens to have and are not armor piercing, i don't know a whole lot about 5.7mm but i suppose they may be illegal in fmj but i dont know.... just speaking about FMJ rounds in general.
bertman668 8 months ago
@bertman668 ya FMJ for the 5.7x28mm are restricted by FN them selves, only for military and law enforcement
use only which is why u can't find them. All the restricted rounds by FN such as ss190, L191, SB193, T194, and SS198LF are all AP. But ones for civilians purchase are ss192, SS195LF, SS196SR, and the SS197SR.
That is if you can find them, due to a few have been discontinued.
deathblow101ify 8 months ago
@deathblow101ify thanks for the info and for not being an asshole about it.
Much appreciated
bertman668 8 months ago
First up we are not your bitches.
Secondly ACP stands for Automatic Cartridge, Pistol.
Third, your "research" methods are flawed.
In short, you are a self professed expert which means you are a moron.
I have more firearms experience in my pinkey toe than you have in your entire life.
Stop wasting band-width with your uneducated crap!
rich233vt 8 months ago
@rich233vt No actually ACP is automatic Colt pistol and we are his bitches
muddabutt 7 months ago
@muddabutt you are right about acp, but I ain't nobody's' bitch! :D
rich233vt 7 months ago
exactly as it should be, the 5,7x28 mm was not designed for overpenetration. it is meant to strike a single person with or without body armor and destroy the internal organs without hitting anything behind that person. go ahead, put a bulletproof vest on those milkjugs and try the same test from 50 meters.
Painrunner 8 months ago
last time i checked frozen milk...not a good representation of the human body. And the fact that this gentleman is using "i didn't get any ice back in the face" as a measure of the power, is dumb. period.
1997DOHC 8 months ago
It is still clear that the larger slower bullet transfers more kenetic energy than the lighter, faster rounds. Though each round is lethal, both have areas they can out perform the other, the 5.7 was developed to defeat body armor. The .45 was developed to stop the threat....
EloyBestwanger 8 months ago 3
@EloyBestwanger you know your stuff and perfect comment. Was what I was trying to tell MAVHunter20xx,
but clearly he had no clue what the 2 firearm was design for. Every firearm/Round is design for a specific
purpose, and in most case some are the same such as 1911 45acp compare to sig sauer p220 also 45 acp
with slighter shorter barrel. being said similar both shoots 45acp. Now you want long rang and saying a weapon a weapon, any will do like s&w500 comopare to M16. both design for diff apps
deathblow101ify 8 months ago
@deathblow101ify Thank you, I knew you were on top of it and knew what you meant.
EloyBestwanger 6 months ago
@EloyBestwanger anyways great comment man, couldn't have said it better myself.
deathblow101ify 8 months ago
I don't understand why people think FMJ is armor peircing!? The catogory of armor peircing is in the relm of anti tank rounds. FMJ is the choice rounds for target shooting because they are cheeper and they don't expand causing less damage than JHP.
Like I said to someone else here, you can penetrate soft body armore with any high power rifle round which I just bought yesterday. However, any use of any firearm that is not in the relm of sport, hunting, or self defence is a federal offence.
MavHunter20XX 8 months ago
@MavHunter20XX I agree man with the high power rifle will penetrate most bodyarmor that cililians can
get a hold of. But say a military vet went crazy and decides to come after you wearing his milit gears...
that can pretty much stop a 7.62x51 in the chest. hard to say with your rifle at that point, no offences
but only thing you can do is headshot or limbs. watch this vid with this link the dude is testing it.
deathblow101ify 8 months ago
@deathblow101ify In that case you would use steel core ammo. Or .50 cal. But a good marksman can take care of that problem.
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deathblow101ify 8 months ago
@MavHunter20XX yes sir I do aggree on that.
deathblow101ify 8 months ago
@deathblow101ify What? I can buy FMJ at your local walmart. I have almost 150 rounds of it in my closet that use for target shooting. JHP is what I use for self defence. If I person is wearing body armor, I either aim lower or higher.
A high power rifle will go through soft body armor like butter. And I own one, not that I'll shot any body with it, but it's not illega, neither should it be.
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deathblow101ify 8 months ago
@MavHunter20XX just go on youtube and type in ZAHAL bulletproof vest vs sniper
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deathblow101ify 8 months ago
Its. a .224 round. You can get varmint hunting rounds and load your own for your five-seven. those vermin rounds will literally remove limbs. they are not legal for use in war do to the geneva convention. But for penetration. complaining that a sporting round doesn't over penetrate? really? how about over penetration is bad in the first place. Even the AP rounds are reported to have a good constancy with no over penetration even if it is hitting someone through a vest or not.
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hinkelpg 9 months ago
i'd rather be holding 20 rounds than 7 rounds anyday
hatotter 9 months ago
@hatotter get an xdm 45 and mag extenders, 16+ rounds. XD
Silent14389 8 months ago
@Silent14389 that makes for a pretty hefty carry pistol, but you got a point
hatotter 8 months ago
maybe because the armour piercing ammo is only legal for sale to military and law enforcement and only plastic tip shit is availible for everyone else, if i remember correctly, either way its all shit except the real roun
Jajajawut 9 months ago
is this round effective against flesh not only kevlar?
shishiromura 9 months ago
how can it defeat kevlar padding if it cant even go through a fucking ice jug?
nissanis1 9 months ago
@nissanis1 Because ice is not kevlar? Wear some ice around and you'll be safe against my 5.7 while I wear a vest and be safe from your .45
Roguex77 9 months ago
@Roguex77 chunks of ice is relatively easier to penetrate than kevlar, that should be a givin
nissanis1 9 months ago
@nissanis1 civilians cant purchase the AP rounds required for that these are hollow points.
DarianXsXCrans 8 months ago
I think both are extremely effective, and would get the job done if you were in a dangerous situation.
Xtorsion40 9 months ago 8
I never bought an FN pistol because it sounds so flimsy when you rack the slide.I don't want anything that sounds like an airsoft gun.
staunton01 9 months ago
@staunton01 Maybe because its made of polymer?
kop4321 9 months ago
@kop4321 I've had polymer pistols but none of em sound like that.
staunton01 9 months ago
I like your videos, however I do not like the references to 'you bitches'. Having said that, it is my view, If you want to be taken seriously drop the 'urban slang' IMHO. Keep on with the videos, I can appreciate the time you spent in demonstrating these weapons.
ldgrey1963 9 months ago
did he missed 2 acp rounds? lol
fake fps though
SamuelVanH 9 months ago
the 45 acp wont penetrate lvl 4 plate and break into three peices with the jacket tumbling. armor or no the 5.7 you are dead, hence why the secret service carry them, plus frozen milk jugs arent a very good control group guys, like he said
dajhrm 9 months ago
the 45 acp wont penetrate lvl 4 plate and break into three peices with the jacket tumbling. armor or no the 5.7 you are dead, hence why the secret service carry them
dajhrm 9 months ago
you cant compare a projectile going almost 3 times as fast as a .45acp. 230 grains vs 40 grains? HAHAHAH
greatestsongsofLIFE 9 months ago
Great Vid!
ChefAnatoly 9 months ago
The 5.7 did what it was made to do. Enter and stop.
buzzsah 9 months ago
The only criticism I would have is that the blue tip of the SS197 is plastic and supposed to split and mushroom so you don't have a AP round. A better comparison for the rounds at your disposal would be hollow points for the 1911.
Holasrmateo 10 months ago
I'm not sure how many of you actually know what you're talking about. What I mean to say is I am positive that none of you are speaking from experience. I wear body armor for a living. I've seen countless GSW's. On flesh, 115gr 9mm FMJ has a problem with over-penetration. So does 40gr 5.7x28mm. 230gr .45ACP does not. Surface area and velocity. On 20ply kevlar the chances of first round penetration on a new vest are 27%, 95%, 8% respectively. I have never seen kevlar stop any rifle round.
YouRknotFree 10 months ago
i keep seeming "id rather have 20 rounds than 8" while that is ideal it only takes one to do the job from a .45. if you practice with your pistol instead of letting it collect dust in your truck or home you want need more than 2 or 3
CajunFireman225 10 months ago
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@"you should never need an entire magazine." You gonna be thinking that when an intruder is in your house? The large capacity is just gravy considering the 5-7 is easier to shoot accurately. I will have 3 rounds on target before the average .45 shooter has 2. Shoot the 2 side-by-side and then tell me you want the .45.
greenarcher180 10 months ago
if you go to have a war, u gonna pick .45, if ur a hitman u gonna pick a 5.7 xD
trancesendable 10 months ago
BTW, 20 rounds vs 9-12 rounds? Another easy answer.
greenarcher180 10 months ago
@greenarcher180 Unless you are going into combat or dont know how to shoot your gun you should never need an entire magazine. Plus sure the 5.7 "shattered" the ice but the 45 turned it into shaved ice. also the further you get away the larger round will carry more energy vs the little 5.7mm.
TrueTexanPSN1 10 months ago
Today's handgun is about control and power. The biggest cannon won't help you if you cannot get or stay on target. The 5-7 offers better control and reacquisition in a real time and multiple shot scenario. Not to mention defeating a vest. The .45 is a dinosaur that recoils like a MULE and is harder to shoot accurately. Come into the 21st century.
greenarcher180 10 months ago
@greenarcher180 I like quality over quantity. Plus a 45 is not that hard to shoot rapidly if you have enough trigger time and dont have weak hands.
TrueTexanPSN1 10 months ago
Just curious but I was wondering which is better. the 5.7 or the 5.56
Jesse2K12 10 months ago
Im talkin about whats up my bitches
Blacklabel85 10 months ago
Don't you reload ammo???
italianguns 10 months ago
45. ACP = more kinetic energy
FN5.7x28 = more penetration
Both very good ammo Types!
theroyalgrapefruit 11 months ago
you my friend are a dimwitted jackass
chinthenatureboy 11 months ago
lol i love how he doesnt says anything about the .45 and throws it like shit lol.
mikhailasargalliv 11 months ago
@TMHonfire102 Hey Bro, You Sound Like An Ass TAlkin All That Bitches Shit At The Begining Of Your Vids MAn
tylerdurden1971 11 months ago
@tylerdurden1971 hey bro...you type like a girl in middle-school..and all these folks are getting mad but why are they watching the videos?? because they dont have a badass backyard to play in like TMH. Stop hating and go somewhere else!
SirSmok3Alot225 10 months ago
@SirSmok3Alot225 Quit Flappin Your Dick Beaters And Go Jerk Off Your Boyfriend You Fuckin Queer Ass Bitch
tylerdurden1971 10 months ago
Of course over penetration isn't there... You are using the civilian round for the Five-Seven. I guarantee you that if you somehow got a hold of the hollow point version of the 5.7x28mm it would be a different story.
ZTKki113R 11 months ago
@ZTKki113R Hey JaackAss You Can Buy The Hollow Points At ANY Gun Shop $25-$30 A Box Of 50 DipShit,And Besides You Dumb Som Bitch The Ballistic Tips Are Way More Devastating GO FUCK YOURSELF!!
tylerdurden1971 11 months ago
in soviet russia this is how you make snow cones!
AR15alltheway 11 months ago
Fuck the Begrudgers, bet there wishing they had your firepower...
Oglaigh32 11 months ago
What a douche
dellme5555 11 months ago
Every time I start one of your videos I cringe at your intro. Not only that but NEVER have I EVER found anything informative in your videos. You know very very little about firearms and ammunition. Your tests are also poorly done. You need to learn more and present yourself in a more professional manner before anyone will take you seriously.
516N4L 11 months ago
@516N4L Why don't YOU do video tests? Why don't you impart all of your knowledge unto us lowly YouTube watchers? Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. So critical, how bout you teach instead of just being a bastard sitting back and blasting people for shooting and having fun. Good God man! If you have ideas about a video done correctly do one your own damn self.
noBLUNTobjctsPleas 11 months ago
@noBLUNTobjctsPleas
Nah, I'd just rather be an asshole.
516N4L 10 months ago
Dress the jugs with kevlar vests and do the same test...
buzzzatho 11 months ago
The winchester whitebox stuff is not personal defense stuff designed for maximum tissue damage, it is practice FMJ. Its primary design consideration was whether or not it fires and the bullet flies. Newb.
The12lber 11 months ago
Depending on yaw of the 5.7x28 (since length of bullet) it might be as effective as a .45 if it could yaw upon impact. And the length of the bullet can exceed 12mm in length. Or atleast yaw before 3" of penetration. Assuming a frontal shot to the chest.
Silver00Coin 11 months ago
As far as Energy Dump this is false. The small mass of the 5.7x28 would severely limit the amount of energy that the 5.7x28 would inflict. For example my neighbors SKS (16" barrel) will knock down steel target plates at 150 yards while his "Ballisticly Superior" 5.56x45 NATO (NOT .223 Remington) Bushmaster AR-15 (16" barrel) just simply cannot. Even though the 5.56 or .223 travels between 4-600 fps faster it still cannot outperform (energy and penetration) the larger diameter and heavier, bulle
Silver00Coin 11 months ago
Go to a butcher and buy 20lb of meat and ribs. Shoot those to get a better comparison. As far as "energy" goes pistols will never be as effective as a rifle. As long as the pistol cartradge is traveling under 2,300 fps theres no reason to say that a smaller diameter pistol cartradge will out-perform a larger diameter. 5.7x28 will never be more effective then a .45 ACP.
Silver00Coin 11 months ago
You guys should realize that the reason that the 5.7x22 didnt penetrate all the way is that it was able to dump all of its energy in the ice. Which, from a ballistics standpoint, is a very good thing. the .45 is a known heavy hitter, but going through and through is not the preferable result when you want stopping power.
cbroadhurst11 11 months ago
@cbroadhurst11 I call for a re-test using ribs and brisket!! But honestly, even if he WERE able to get his hands on some 'high performance' 5.7 JHPs, and compared them to the widely available & LEGAL .45 Federal HST's for example..I think the .45 would still embarrass the 5.7....bigger/heavier round that still transfers all of its energy, while creating massive wound cavities will always be the better manstopper
SirSmok3Alot225 10 months ago
Nice video..!!!!
Razorback30001 11 months ago
not the sharpest knife in the drawer for sure, ballisticly challenged. This guy could use some classes in ballistics! Personally, I'll stick to my .45 and head shots
trickykwoo2 11 months ago
not the sharpest knife in the drawer for sure, ballisticly challenged. This guy could use some classes in ballistics!
trickykwoo2 11 months ago
no doubt, the .45 ACP is a proven hard hitter, where as the 5.7 round was really designed for penetrating vests. So unless the poor bastard you're shooting at is wearing body armor, stick with the .45
Alexn1067 1 year ago
What is the maximum effective range of the 5.7?
g1942transient 1 year ago
is five seven legal? are p90s legal?
o0bananaman0o 1 year ago
@o0bananaman0o yes they are legal, although their use is being challenged by gun control bodies in the US...
lpjz290 11 months ago