to abcbadq: for the most part, Minecraft is mining, crafting, and survival, plus reforging was added to make the gear better, Terraria, on the other hand, has all of those things, but, you can also get plenty of things to make your actual character better, as well as the gear. Yes there're COUNTLESS mods for Minecraft, and I'm not sure if there're any for Terraria at all, but I'm talking about the games themselves, not the mods.
@Tac0l3ell ?? You don't pay much attention to their channels I'm guessing? They started the series ages ago. Infact they are on series 2 now. In total they've got about 50 terraria videos.
@L0rdRemington Actually, they are on their 3rd series. Hah. The first one, the 1.6 one, and now the next generation one. Haha. But no, I just said that to see if anyone would be like, "You so dumb!!!" then I could laugh at them.
@Tac0l3ell That probably wouldn't work as well as you'd think. Sarcasm doesn't translate very well over the internet, so it would be quite understandable for someone to simply assume you weren't actually aware there was a series yet by what you said. Infact it seems like quite a few people in the comments aren't aware there is a series.
Now that I have 8 hours of Terraria gameplay behind me, I had to come back to look at the video that started the series that convinced me into buying it. Oh damn, have things changed in the game so much since last May! Still, it seems to be missing something with no Jesse and TB mucking about. I want a mod that adds Jesse's Arnie impressions and crazy old miner sound clips to the game. :P
@codcampaigncrazy I love how you are saying that even though: they recorded this ages ago when the game came out and had almost no experience of playing it and you can't even spell"amateur".
NEVER MIND SOPA PEOPLE. GET WORD OUT ABOUT ACTA! IT'S ANOTHER SECRET STUPID TREATY ALONG THE LINES OF SOPA GETTING PASSED THROUGH BEHIND OUR BACKS! /watch?v=citzRjwk-sQ - THAT HAS ALL THE INFO! SAY NO TO GO∆ERNMENTS SILENCING AND CONTROLLING OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
THEY ARE INVADING OUR PRIVACY! SPREAD THIS. THE INTERNET AS WE KNOW IT COULD END.
@PerroTortilla I would rather have it that way than them powergaming the shit out of it. Them not knowing anything is what made the series so much fun.
the game is the same joust its in the begining jou kant get kobalt then jou most kill wall of flesj and get thw pwn hammer and brake demon altars dont jou played before hard mode for a long time lol.
@TheAxOfHax Considering that this was uploaded in May of 2011, and chances are TB isn't a time traveler - I'd have to say that you're an idiot. Perhaps I should also say that cobalt veins are only as big as the ore they were previously, as cobalt ore replaces the 4 starting ores when it is generated.
Am I the only guy with the opinion that Terraria is a game which is more about slaying and gathering stuffs and Minecraft feels more like a game about building?
@kartoonistgirl well, it depends. You CAN be quite creative in terraria aswell. but ofc, minecraft is a much better way to be creative with.
Although, I think its cool with what you can do in Minecraft, but I dont find a meaning of building lots of stuff and then be just like "ok, now what?".
Much funnier to slay lots of stuff and then be "ok, now what?". C:
I know, strange way to express my opinions, but if you know what I mean, then you'll understand.
@draanexle I know, but I mean that in minecraft you can build stuff in 3d, so you can be more creative, whereas in terraria the main idea is to slay a bunch of monsters and survive. I'm not saying that minecraft is better, and they both are different and unique in their own ways.
I play Minecraft, but it's so annoying that in every video of Terraria people in the comments say "FUK TERRRRARIA I PLAY MINECRFAT!!!!!". They are both good games for there own reasons, so shut up!
@IArEBiGPandA I'm sorry. I messed up. I MEANT that I would rather PLAY Minecraft, but I very much enjoy watching Terraria and that it IS very different.
@kartoonistgirl Minecraft and Terraria are made by two friends. saying Terraria is Junk = saying Minecraft is Junk. Also you just proved one theory that most people who play minecraft are block heads.
@KailJudgementNeo Ya know what? Screw you. I have nothing against Terraria, and I can handle that guy who said it was a different type of game. But you? Right Back atcha, blockhead.
UGFORTHEWIN owns this dumb geeky bitch. <3 amazing This guys just a dumb fag with a mic.. lol!! bye loserrr XxXxlol you dont even look English or British dumbshitahahahh kiss my tits bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
@omgrichardisabannana This happens to me quite frequently. I watch a lets play or something of a game that I've never played before and am astounded at how difficult some people find grasping the basics of a game. I've always had a knack for it to be honest.
Thanks for the video. You showed me a freaking amazing game =). I just wish it didn't take like 10 minutes to get Logan into my house. That guys kind of an idiot sometimes haha.
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EveOnlineRanger002 1 hour ago
in answer to your question about what terraria is. well it is a game you play with jesse :)
OburgyProductions 2 days ago
Anyone else amused that the first death was TBs and not Jesse"s?
CyberDragonZero 2 days ago 3
"we wont die as much" every episode later...
Nathanrules20 2 days ago
243 people got slein by the eye of cathulu
Bluesnake153 3 days ago
wow terraria looks so different now.
night4345 3 days ago 3
This was posted on my birthday last year...
rockerrosh2000 4 days ago
Anyone that wants to play some cracked Terraria with a new character? D:
AcidSeth 1 week ago
these 2 should make a series on this. it would be great
oakcliff621 1 week ago
@oakcliff621 *facepalm*
Eddiejo6 1 week ago
@oakcliff621
You are so right!
It should totally be named TotalBiscuit and Jesse Cox Play Terraria too!
AcidSeth 1 week ago
@oakcliff621 they alredy made like 50 episodes of it mate
CoxmasterAQW 6 days ago
@oakcliff621 um..are you living under a rock? jw...
TheModernSnipez 5 days ago
wait if this is hyper edition i wonder if regular is like super slo mo
xxrenderinggamerxx 1 week ago
@xxrenderinggamerxx no they arent slower they are just about 10-15 minutes long rather than 40
RSJP231 1 week ago
hell yeah :) awesome
umrete 1 week ago
15 k likes! :P sick
talseth1337 1 week ago
jesse was already gathering all the resources for his castle in this video.
CharterForGaming 1 week ago
ah the roots of an epic series
AXharoth 1 week ago 2
65 episodes later: Yet to reach hell
DTHmajormoo 1 week ago in playlist Season 4 4
NOOBS how they got so pro
Razmatschannel 1 week ago
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Error52QFG 1 week ago
WTF is this game? Dead
BagelBoi53 1 week ago
What version was this?
jruler93 2 weeks ago
Slime gel for only $14.99?
Tuugatuuga 2 weeks ago 2
Clashing personalities are clashing.
buddysmithburg 2 weeks ago
It is the raw wood for the soild walls guys just tell
kittylovesMINECRAFT 2 weeks ago in playlist Season 4
Just because a game has crafting and mining doesn't make it Minecraft.
Oh Wait....
abcbadq 2 weeks ago
to abcbadq: for the most part, Minecraft is mining, crafting, and survival, plus reforging was added to make the gear better, Terraria, on the other hand, has all of those things, but, you can also get plenty of things to make your actual character better, as well as the gear. Yes there're COUNTLESS mods for Minecraft, and I'm not sure if there're any for Terraria at all, but I'm talking about the games themselves, not the mods.
geablicu
jruler93 2 weeks ago
@abcbadq
Minecraft basicly ONLY has that terraria has much more
jfarrar19 19 hours ago
@L0rdRemington Nah, it worked great! Perfect reaction as expected. Fun times.
Tac0l3ell 3 weeks ago
bored...rewatching series till new episodes coke out this should be main not wtf is
yourdemiseishere 3 weeks ago
*Guide tells TB what constitutes sufficient housing*
TB: "I don't want to know these things!"
40 episodes later, he comes to regret this day....
SolidSense 3 weeks ago
Yes! I want as series!
Tac0l3ell 3 weeks ago
@Tac0l3ell ?? You don't pay much attention to their channels I'm guessing? They started the series ages ago. Infact they are on series 2 now. In total they've got about 50 terraria videos.
L0rdRemington 3 weeks ago
@L0rdRemington Actually, they are on their 3rd series. Hah. The first one, the 1.6 one, and now the next generation one. Haha. But no, I just said that to see if anyone would be like, "You so dumb!!!" then I could laugh at them.
Tac0l3ell 3 weeks ago
@Tac0l3ell That probably wouldn't work as well as you'd think. Sarcasm doesn't translate very well over the internet, so it would be quite understandable for someone to simply assume you weren't actually aware there was a series yet by what you said. Infact it seems like quite a few people in the comments aren't aware there is a series.
L0rdRemington 3 weeks ago
Oh man, my eyes are watering. This was just beautiful. Thank you, TB and Jesse. I look forward to the next vid in the series. :D
McJigglefin 3 weeks ago
@McJigglefin There have about 40 or so more videos in the series.
Bomyneify 3 weeks ago
@Bomyneify Oh yeah, I know. I'm up to speed, I just meant that I look forward to their latest addition.
McJigglefin 3 weeks ago
This is probably the best episode of these two play, where they don't know how to do practically anything and they're scared of demon eyes.
GuardianOfDandelions 4 weeks ago
@GuardianOfDandelions the most fun of the entire series is just theire ineptitude xD
megamage911 3 weeks ago in playlist Terraria with TB and Jesse
Slime Gel... For only $14.99.
ImUnattractive 4 weeks ago
Hearing a british man say "hammer time" makes me giggle inside.
QbertTehKiller 1 month ago
LOL 33:57
TotalBiscuit: In the long term, that money was gonna be really important. It was gonna be a trust fund for our kids.
Jesse: Wait a minute! Are you not telling me something?!
Two men living together alone in a house... [TB: Ladies and gentlemen, my name is TotalBiscuit. Thank you for watching 'WTF is... Terraria'!]
Fkjhdfsdjf These two crack me up xD <3
ChestnutChaos 1 month ago
Now that I have 8 hours of Terraria gameplay behind me, I had to come back to look at the video that started the series that convinced me into buying it. Oh damn, have things changed in the game so much since last May! Still, it seems to be missing something with no Jesse and TB mucking about. I want a mod that adds Jesse's Arnie impressions and crazy old miner sound clips to the game. :P
ObakeOnna 1 month ago
@ObakeOnna that would be absolutely awesome!
megamage911 1 month ago in playlist Terraria with TB and Jesse
This game has evolved so much since it came out.
It's kind of amazing.
Ordoo145 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
And so the saga begins...
sebo19956 1 month ago 44
@sebo19956 and so does soooo much butt clenching
eminemer234 2 days ago
terraria is minecraft + super mario
1deMyT 1 month ago
- Save me Mohawk man , haha
SoulZones 1 month ago
@codcampaigncrazy I love how you are saying that even though: they recorded this ages ago when the game came out and had almost no experience of playing it and you can't even spell"amateur".
MrInanimated 1 month ago
When's the next episode coming out? D:
ZackCosplayer 1 month ago
@ZackCosplayer its out.
R0ckyoS0cks 2 weeks ago
wow what amutures
codcampaigncrazy 1 month ago
Watching this makes me wanna play terraria
Epicawsomesocks 1 month ago
36:54 and so we've seen that.
RiTu1337 1 month ago
The Rainman of Terraria HAHAHAHAHA
paintthetwndead 1 month ago
No it,s not like Minecraft att all
xvetle 1 month ago
It is minecraft 2D. And more.
jfarrar19 1 month ago
@jfarrar19 NO ITS NOT FUCK!
123123halofan 1 month ago
@123123halofan
Where did you get fuck from what I said? I am trying to get terraria in the first place and have minecraft.
jfarrar19 1 month ago
@123123halofan Its Minecraft 2D AND MORE! That implies it features the Minecraft concept and MORE STUFF!
117superdude 1 month ago
14:45
AndyD2811 1 month ago
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Oh God this is nostalgia and a half. Stone makes the same noise as dirt, you don't get tooltips when you pick up an item... good times =')
123ollyb 1 month ago
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NEVER MIND SOPA PEOPLE. GET WORD OUT ABOUT ACTA! IT'S ANOTHER SECRET STUPID TREATY ALONG THE LINES OF SOPA GETTING PASSED THROUGH BEHIND OUR BACKS! /watch?v=citzRjwk-sQ - THAT HAS ALL THE INFO! SAY NO TO GO∆ERNMENTS SILENCING AND CONTROLLING OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
THEY ARE INVADING OUR PRIVACY! SPREAD THIS. THE INTERNET AS WE KNOW IT COULD END.
EXPECT US.
EXPECT RESISTANCE.
TheDavidferal 1 month ago
I hate you!
guy9374 1 month ago
slime gel for only 14.95
eurohunk2 1 month ago
Does TB ever stop whining about Minecraft? Holy crap he's annoying in this video.
joraney 1 month ago
@joraney this is wtf the first impressions video hes trying to find something to compare it with
MRODST22 1 month ago
7:05 oh if tb had some bombs :P
jake641991 1 month ago
this video was uploaded on my birthday :O
TrollSofter 1 month ago
wooden fucking planks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
papinigis11 1 month ago
BUT YOU MADE WALLS BEFORE THE VIDEO STARTED.
psychedelicmidnight 1 month ago 5
Wooden Wall is only the background
you build with the regular wood thing
without making Wooden Walls
fight2IDIE 1 month ago
@fight2IDIE
Just FYI, this video is quite old. These two have made around 40 more videos of this game and have indeed figured out the way it works.
sonicmarshmallow 1 month ago 70
@sonicmarshmallow and to this day, STILL, they are completely hopeless xD
PerroTortilla 1 month ago 137
@PerroTortilla I would rather have it that way than them powergaming the shit out of it. Them not knowing anything is what made the series so much fun.
ZackCosplayer 1 month ago
@ZackCosplayer idd, i love it when they fail xD much laughter has ensued xD
megamage911 1 month ago in playlist Terraria with TB and Jesse
@sonicmarshmallow 54 more videos
zeo868 1 month ago
@sonicmarshmallow Well... Sorta... ;)
CTmera 1 month ago
@sonicmarshmallow Nope. They still haven't learned how the game works, even by now.
DelPlays 2 weeks ago
@sonicmarshmallow Awesome they have finally got to nightmare pickaxe!.... How long till molten.
qLingzhi 1 week ago
@sonicmarshmallow not realy.........
lordmatthijs13 6 days ago
simple. build SMALL dirt house. then expand
Zoombedoom 1 month ago
there are two tipes of walls try wood bricks.
Zoombedoom 1 month ago
man you kept missing the iron and copper
Zoombedoom 1 month ago
HIT THEM WITH YOUR MOHAWK!!! XD
Er how ever you spell it
Waitinginatux 1 month ago
Nice
beatitup798 1 month ago
Minecraft 2D?
crakedman2009 1 month ago
the game is the same joust its in the begining jou kant get kobalt then jou most kill wall of flesj and get thw pwn hammer and brake demon altars dont jou played before hard mode for a long time lol.
lolcobo 1 month ago
@lolcobo nice grammar....
smileymaster110 1 month ago 4
@lolcobo do you have fingers?
MRODST22 1 month ago
You're playing at the wrong resolution.
SoundToxin 1 month ago
"This is a MASSIVE vein of iron ore!" um... no. i think not. Have you even seen a cobalt vein?
TheAxOfHax 1 month ago
@TheAxOfHax Considering that this was uploaded in May of 2011, and chances are TB isn't a time traveler - I'd have to say that you're an idiot. Perhaps I should also say that cobalt veins are only as big as the ore they were previously, as cobalt ore replaces the 4 starting ores when it is generated.
Dragilth 1 month ago
@Dragilth Cobalt can replace any block and leaves the old ores actually.
SoundToxin 1 month ago
@TheAxOfHax Note that this video came way, waaaaaaaay before hardmode was released.
TheWistfulWanderer 1 month ago
I'm eating doritos :D
beatitup798 1 month ago
@beatitup798 And i'm eating chips Y U NO EAT CHIPS????
siy202 1 month ago
@beatitup798 me too
aaronruss2405 1 month ago
I don't know why but this video makes me want Doritos.
biovx9 1 month ago
This game... looks so weird back then...
KnightMustard 1 month ago
I love how they didn't know how to place blocks xD
w4vezf9a 1 month ago
Try saying "Sand stacks stupidly" ten times fast.
jruler93 1 month ago
use slime gel only 14.99
sidegate12 1 month ago
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All of you guys just shut the fuck up!!!!!! P.s Minecraft is better
peprechaun 1 month ago
@peprechaun You are just retarded.
TheChaosswe 1 month ago
They had no idea what the fuck they were doing.
dinolandra 1 month ago
U r STUPID u need blocks to keep mobs out and u need a block 3 spaces up to put a door
27Joshman 1 month ago
@27Joshman Can't tell if trolling...
GardsVision 1 month ago
@GardsVision or just stupid...
StartledSloth 1 month ago
to StartledSloth: Or both...
jruler93 1 month ago
wow guys this video is meant for you to enjoy not to rag on how it compares to MInecraft so shut up! But lol yes this video did start it all.
iBobotastic 1 month ago
good old noob adventures :3 its what makes this game what it is..
HatefulDesigns 1 month ago
I remember watching this the first time and u know it's still as funny now as it was then.
99bulldog 1 month ago 71
Just when i thought they figured it out they kept on doing the same mistake OVER AND OVER!!
Yaguacho 1 month ago
Oh damn it, WHY didn't I buy it when it was on sale. D:<
Skarlos131 1 month ago
this video started an empire
Morladim1 1 month ago
@Morladim1
more like a cult
R0ckyoS0cks 2 weeks ago
lol
orangexxp 1 month ago
The demon eye took an arrow to the... Eye?
MrMinecraft813 1 month ago in playlist Season 4
Am I the only guy with the opinion that Terraria is a game which is more about slaying and gathering stuffs and Minecraft feels more like a game about building?
Mostly cuz Minecraft is in 3d :l
draanexle 1 month ago
@draanexle It IS.
MrLuigiBloopers 1 month ago
@draanexle that's true, and Minecraft is more about creativity.
kartoonistgirl 1 month ago
@kartoonistgirl well, it depends. You CAN be quite creative in terraria aswell. but ofc, minecraft is a much better way to be creative with.
Although, I think its cool with what you can do in Minecraft, but I dont find a meaning of building lots of stuff and then be just like "ok, now what?".
Much funnier to slay lots of stuff and then be "ok, now what?". C:
I know, strange way to express my opinions, but if you know what I mean, then you'll understand.
draanexle 1 month ago
@draanexle I know, but I mean that in minecraft you can build stuff in 3d, so you can be more creative, whereas in terraria the main idea is to slay a bunch of monsters and survive. I'm not saying that minecraft is better, and they both are different and unique in their own ways.
kartoonistgirl 1 month ago
Jesse is so funny! :D
austrich97 1 month ago
I play Minecraft, but it's so annoying that in every video of Terraria people in the comments say "FUK TERRRRARIA I PLAY MINECRFAT!!!!!". They are both good games for there own reasons, so shut up!
austrich97 1 month ago 3
They already made this a series, still liking this one :)
urukzpower 1 month ago
what you do is the wood walls are just fro background while the actual blocks are used for the house JESUZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ThePudgeworth 1 month ago
WHAT?!? MINECRAFT IS BETTER THAN THIS JUNK!
kartoonistgirl 1 month ago
@kartoonistgirl no this is better u dont have 2 worry about ur house explodeeing
theredsun3 1 month ago
@theredsun3 excuse me.... but minecraft is better.....
kartoonistgirl 1 month ago
@kartoonistgirl It's a totally different kind of game, compare Minecraft to Fortresscraft and other wannabe Minecraft games, not Terraria
IArEBiGPandA 1 month ago
@IArEBiGPandA I'm sorry. I messed up. I MEANT that I would rather PLAY Minecraft, but I very much enjoy watching Terraria and that it IS very different.
kartoonistgirl 1 month ago
@kartoonistgirl Minecraft and Terraria are made by two friends. saying Terraria is Junk = saying Minecraft is Junk. Also you just proved one theory that most people who play minecraft are block heads.
KailJudgementNeo 1 month ago
@KailJudgementNeo Ya know what? Screw you. I have nothing against Terraria, and I can handle that guy who said it was a different type of game. But you? Right Back atcha, blockhead.
kartoonistgirl 1 month ago
@kartoonistgirl I don't play minecraft, Your argument is invalid.
KailJudgementNeo 1 month ago
@KailJudgementNeo no, i mean..... whatever. this guy has about as much brains as a rock.
kartoonistgirl 1 month ago
@kartoonistgirl Oh I see, My bad I was busy playing skyrim xP
Sorry about that.
KailJudgementNeo 1 month ago
@KailJudgementNeo apology accepted. And i do like skyrim.
kartoonistgirl 1 month ago
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UGFORTHEWIN owns this dumb geeky bitch. <3 amazing This guys just a dumb fag with a mic.. lol!! bye loserrr XxXxlol you dont even look English or British dumbshitahahahh kiss my tits bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
GIRTALICIOUS 2 months ago
@GIRTALICIOUS Typical american wierdo. don't get me wrong, i am american. but you, you are just an idiot troll.
kartoonistgirl 1 month ago
My head just exploded. Like really guys? Lol. I know you know by now, but really... Wood.
lifescontradict 2 months ago
Crafting copper straight into silver. Interesting.
DaVince21 2 months ago
i've watched all of the series but watching this and watching you not know how to make walls made me physically uncomfortable.
omgrichardisabannana 2 months ago 65
@omgrichardisabannana same... take the god damn wood ... FOR GOD SAKE wood! :(
SoNiC4000 2 months ago
@omgrichardisabannana This happens to me quite frequently. I watch a lets play or something of a game that I've never played before and am astounded at how difficult some people find grasping the basics of a game. I've always had a knack for it to be honest.
Sebastianin2010 1 month ago
14:44 :D
Powyz 2 months ago
WAIT THERE ARE BOSSES!? made me lol
MrLowelife 2 months ago
75% off again for the last day of the holiday sales in case anyone missed it the first time.
CEOrko 2 months ago
Take a shot everytime TB says Minecraft :D
TheUbberman 2 months ago
@TheUbberman
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*video ends*
HA! toldjah yue i wouldr do it, i too0k a $hot egvery time he said Minec- *faints*
haha jk
jmannunez 2 months ago
Thanks for the video. You showed me a freaking amazing game =). I just wish it didn't take like 10 minutes to get Logan into my house. That guys kind of an idiot sometimes haha.
boogerhaze93 2 months ago
And so it begins...
ThePolyrythm123 2 months ago
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HAPPY NEW YEAR
MrLaurids 2 months ago
lets welcome 2012 wathcing some TB and jesse
Jonesy135790 2 months ago
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Lol THose guys are stupid
2149kasper 2 months ago
@2149kasper you are an idiot for calling them stupid
Jorper77 2 months ago
@2149kasper you're stupid if you think they are stupid, stupid
zKiller810 2 months ago
ADAMANTITE CROSSBOW!
2149kasper 2 months ago
Wall: Backround object (only destroyed with hammer along with all other backgroung objects, crafting tabe, door, etc.)
use the bricks to create the outer wall and use a door
Justin100000186 2 months ago
OCD!!!!!!!!
adamjc1111 2 months ago 2
"A bit of the thing that I killed" - Frankenstein Joe.
UtubeCharged 2 months ago 7
Well terraria is like those megaman games which are 2D and u shoot bad guys etc
BUT!You have to get those things(Ray gun)and stuff.Well this is my opinion if you dont like it then deal with it.
Kornifnotthendie 2 months ago
Stop refering to MINECRAFT!!!!!
ipodman79 2 months ago
after watching them make a house i have developed ocd *twitch*
bower651 2 months ago
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SilentN4saken 2 months ago
Aw I missed it.
sharpezor 2 months ago
This was the very first time I ever heard of Jesse.
And i've loved him ever since.
<3
CiIDriveDeCoach 2 months ago 38
@CiIDriveDeCoach I know exactly how you feel
shadowguy4 1 month ago
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Over half a year has gone and they're still terrible