Things Your Lutheran Pastor Totally Loves: Talking With Biblicists (Episode Two)

[JohnTheHutDweller]

Awesome to see a protestant speak out against the heresies of kirk camron

[JohnTheHutDweller]

as an Eastern Orthodox Christian I love this channel, and as a big Tom Baker(the real Doctor) fan I love the first day of christmas

[HeavenlyFloodofRegen]

@ruckmaknight Would you suffer me to become Mr. Grammar? The word αντιτυπον::anti-type is functioning as an adjective modifying the relative pronoun. The relative pronoun needs an antecedent. It has no meaning otherwise. The antecedent of this relative pronoun is ὐδατος::water. Please my good man, understand that Peter says the water of Baptism saves you. We Lutherans say Baptism now saves you to make it shorter for our amnesiac brains. We also really hate all that ex opere operato jazz.

[HeavenlyFloodofRegen]

@ruckmaknight He says Baptism is the anti-type of the Flood. You are exactly right. Noah and his sons were not saved by getting wet. They were saved by being dry. And Peter says that Baptism is the anti-type. Anti-type means opposite picture or opposing image. So whatever the Flood did, Baptism does in the exact opposite way. If, as you have already clearly said, the figure had 8 people [called a few] NOT getting wet, then the mirror image would have a multitude of people getting wet.

[HeavenlyFloodofRegen]

@ruckmaknight Why do you limit the Bible to verses? They are there for reference. They are not there to divide clearly connected thoughts, let alone divorce a sentence. Please, hear this:

...οκτω ψυχαι διεσωθησαν δι ὐδατος ὀ και ὐμας αντιτυπον νυν σωζει βαπτισμα...eight souls were saved through water, which anti-type now saves you [plural] also, Baptism. Peter has water somewhere in here. He uses the word for water. Then he actually refers back to the water with a relative pronoun.

[HeavenlyFloodofRegen]

@ruckmaknight John 3:5. Anyway, none of the verses talking about Jesus and incarnation have spinal cord, gravity, or carbon anywhere in the passage. Maybe it should of said if any man be IN A SPINELESS, FLOATING, NON-LIVING THING he is a new creature! Wow. That was easier than I thought. ...but seriously?

βαπτιζω and βαπτισμα imply the presence of a liquid unless used figuratively, as our word soak. If I only say, "I'm soaked," what is the initial assumption? I'm soaked in love clearly!

[tharsiskenobi2]

Lutheran friends: Stop suffering. Admit Sola Scriptura makes no sense at all and be very welcome at Christ's true and only church: the Catholic Church. We really don't owe explanations to any radical protestant about something being in the Bible or not, because we have the Apostles' Tradition, from which the Sacred Scriptures theirselves came. :)

[ChrisLarsen64]

@tharsiskenobi2 Well why don't Roman Catholics become Orthodox? We have valid apostolic succession, we are as old as you, and we don't have all the medieval accretions like purgatory, transubstantiation, the treasury of merit etc .. : )

[brycepatties]

@tharsiskenobi2 the Reformation was a result of the practice of selling indulgences, in effect buying salvation for someone else, and Luther's personal study of the Scripture. he wanted merely to change or REFORM the church, not make a new denomination. but the only real difference between true Christian churches is their interpretation of the Bible. as long as they beleive that you are saved by the grace of God through faith in Christ Jesus and His death on the cross, then they are Christian

[NixonisLord]

If Lutheran pastors don't like talking to the self-important, the delusional and just plain crazy, they should get another job. Claiming to speak on behalf of someone invisible and then complaining about all the freaks around you is like working at the zoo and complaining about the smelly animals.

[davidould]

"that footprints poem"

genius

[aggierev]

So which is worse, the biblicist who corners you 5 minutes before the divine service? Or the youtube biblicist?

[conflay]

But whatever....

[Lessonsinfaith]

I will tell you and I am Catholic, and I LOVE THIS. Hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[daddysapp1111]

I am in stitches!!!! GUFFAW! SNORT! TEARS! (my stomach muscles are hurting and I'm only on number 2)

[CounterTheory]

This is greatness.

[thewordrules]

Isn't it interesting that parents give their children the family last name as soon as they are born. They do not wait until an "age of accountability" ( which is not biblical anyway) to allow them to make a decision to be a part of the family. In Genesis it is no mistake that only God walked between the parts when He made a covenant with Abraham. God is the covenant maker, initiator and keeper, Man is a covenant breaker.

[mikejoslin510]

Haha love this :) keep em' coming!

[TheLutheranSatire]

And Peter directly states that "baptism, which corresponds to [the Flood] now saves you."

[TheLutheranSatire]

And Peter directly states that "baptism, which corresponds to [the Flood] now saves you."

[TheLutheranSatire]

And Peter directly states that "baptism, which corresponds to [the Flood] now saves you."

[ShownMercy]

@TheLutheranSatire.. "Not the putting away fo the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God"...... Did the water save Noah and his family? Or, is it very OBVIOUS that the ARK saved Noah and his family? Heb 11:7 "prepared an ARK to the SAVING of his house"... The problem with Lutheran theology is that Martin Luther had a serious problem with only using half-verses. Its not prudent to build doctrine on half a verse.. Nevertheless, I love your videos. Great job.

God bless

[TheLutheranSatire]

4. (continued) This position is further supported by 1 Cor 10, when Paul talks about how all of Israel was baptized into Moses when passing through the Red Sea. A whole bunch of babies were baptized into Moses there.

5. The idea that baptism is a symbol stands in stark contrast to the testimony of Scripture. In Romans 6, Paul directly states that dying to sin and rising to new life in Christ happens IN baptism. He says the same thing in Titus 3.

[HeyMike7]

@TheLutheranSatire

Start reading your Greek, Bapto and Baptizo are not the same thing.

[HeyMike7]

founders dot org/library/welty.html check it out.

[TheLutheranSatire]

4. (continued) This position is further supported by 1 Cor 10, when Paul talks about how all of Israel was baptized into Moses when passing through the Red Sea. A whole bunch of babies were baptized into Moses there.

5. The idea that baptism is a symbol stands in stark contrast to the testimony of Scripture. In Romans 6, Paul directly states that dying to sin and rising to new life in Christ happens IN baptism. He says the same thing in Titus 3.

[TheLutheranSatire]

4. (continued) This position is further supported by 1 Cor 10, when Paul talks about how all of Israel was baptized into Moses when passing through the Red Sea. A whole bunch of babies were baptized into Moses there.

5. The idea that baptism is a symbol stands in stark contrast to the testimony of Scripture. In Romans 6, Paul directly states that dying to sin and rising to new life in Christ happens IN baptism. He says the same thing in Titus 3.

[TheLutheranSatire]

4. Furthermore, the argument about "all nations including infants" is simply meant to show that the Jewish understanding of "nations" included infants, and therefore that infants were eligible to be baptized. Likewise, when Paul, in Colossians 2, speaks of baptism as a circumcision made without hands, that also indicates that infants ought to be baptized, as Israelite boys were circumcised at 8 days old...

[TheLutheranSatire]

HeyMike,

1. Jesus prayed the Psalms.

2. Just because people have memorized the words they pray doesn't mean they are repeating them mindlessly.

3. You don't seem to understand the Lutheran teaching of baptism. Lutherans do not believe baptism is an act of man, but an act of God. Parents bring their children to the waters of baptism, certainly, but baptism itself is God's work, not theirs.

[HeyMike7]

What did Philip say to the Eunoch who asked what keeps me from being baptized? Philip said, 'If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.'..not some 'well you see sir, you're part of 'all nations''so despite any sign of unrepentance, faith etc...I'm just going to dip you in water and God will honour that despite your intent, will or spiritual state' speech

[kalathetrumpeter]

@HeyMike7

It's interesting to note, Acts 8:37 (which you quoted) is not in some of the earliest manuscripts- making it one of the few passages of the NT which could have been a later addition. But even if it's inspired, it only causes a problem IF you presuppose that babies cannot have faith. But the Bible teaches babies CAN have faith (Psalm 22:9, 71:6).

[ShownMercy]

@kalathetrumpeter.... So you reject Acts 8:13 yet Luther's whole doctrine of baptism is based upon Mark 16:16, (see Larger Catechism section 4) which also is not in early manuscripts. Please don't be a hypocrite when rejecting certain parts of God's Word.

God bless

[TheLutheranSatire]

@ShownMercy Have you read Luther's Small Catechism?

[ShownMercy]

@TheLutheranSatire.... I was really hoping that you would address the comment I addressed to you... Yes, I have read many of Luther's works. I have many Lutheran friends that I love dearly, even though they are narcissist!! LoL! Alright, address my question and then we will talk about scriptures used to clear the conscience of ML...

God bless.

[TheLutheranSatire]

@ShownMercy If you've read Luther's Small Catechism, I don't understand why you'd say that he bases his entire argument for baptism on Mark 16 when he also quotes Matthew 28, Titus 3 and Romans 6.

The Romans 6 passage makes clear that salvation, that dying to sin and rising to new life, happens in baptism. That's where Paul locates it. That's also what he says in Titus 3.

[TheLutheranSatire]

@ShownMercy And Peter makes the same point in the verse you referenced, where in the flood, the wicked of the earth were drowned and Noah and his family came out of those waters to new life, and how that's what happens in baptism. The sinful nature is killed and a new nature arises. That's why Peter says "baptism now saves you."

[brycepatties]

@HeyMike7 That's what the verse, "he who believes and is baptized shall be saved" means. the Eunuch clearly believed what Philip had told him, therefore believing. He then was baptized. Therefore, the Eunuch was saved. You need to consider the context of the verse instead of blindly quoting it.

[brycepatties]

@HeyMike7 "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved." The Eunuch had just been explained the Gospel. By asking this question, it is evident that he believed. Then he was baptized. Therefore, he has been saved. You need to consider the context of the story or verse instead of blindly rattling off a verse from memory.

[brycepatties]

@HeyMike7 "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved." The Eunuch had just been explained the Gospel. By asking this question, it is evident that he believed. Then he was baptized. Therefore, he has been saved. You need to consider the context of the story or verse instead of blindly rattling off a verse from memory.

[HeyMike7]

Written Prayers arrguement is bogus:

1) We are never told to pray the Psalms. They are prayers that David prayed, and as the bible says, (Matthew 15:8) God hates it when people worship him with their lips and not with their hearts...

2. Lord's prayer is a prayer model for us...not instructed for us to repeat mindlessly, if we are in the will of God our prayers will however follow suit of it

[brycepatties]

@HeyMike7

1) yes, we aren't instructed to pray the Psalms, but if we pray them as David prayed them, then we are worshipping him with our hearts.

2) again, if we pray it with the Lord on our heart, then it is pleasing and acceptable in God's eyes.

Your argument would also suggest that we shouldn't sing hymns or songs that someone else wrote. But then there goes over half of worship!

[HeyMike7]

that faith becomes this act of man, where human parents perform a work that causes an infant to be saved. Good solid points otherwise by the Lutheran. Baptism in the bible is symbolic of the inner change that has occured. Baptizo,,,the spiritual immersion and change is represented by submerssion in water (bapto).

[HeyMike7]

That 'all nations' arguement is horrific rationalization. All nations with that logic includes Person X where person X= an adult who hates God and doesn't wish to be baptized and runs from any clergy/body of water...etc... is bible is clear: 1st is repentance, 2nd is baptism. Just like we don't drag an unwilling person bound and gagged and baptize them against their will and believe they've repented (by the Grace of God) and are Saved (by the Grace of God through Faith), why do we believe ...

[brycepatties]

@HeyMike7 All nations means that baptism is for everyone, if they want it. obviously, we can baptize infants without their consent because they aren't congnizant of what's happening. You can't recieve Holy Communion without believing in Christ and understanding the Word of God. This is why adults are baptized and youths are confirmed before recieving Holy Communion.

[HeavenlyFloodofRegen]

@brycepatties No. That's a double standard. Baptized children, even infants, believe in Christ and understand the Word of God. Or do you deny that "out of the mouths of nursing babes you have perfected praise"? John the Baptist as a fetus discerned the body of Christ really present in Mary. Also, the words of Christ, "Suffer the children come to Me and do not hinder them," apply to the Lord's Supper as well as Baptism.

[brycepatties]

@HeavenlyFloodofRegen "A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgement on himself." 1 Corinthians 11:28-29. This means that the person recieving the Lord's Supper needs to understand that coming to the Lord's Supper unrepentant is a sin against Christ Himself. Kids will be kids, and they won't always understand the gravity of the Lord's Supper and its consequences.

[HeavenlyFloodofRegen]

@brycepatties You reason for yourself what he means. Let Paul interpret Paul. Later, to the same congregation in Corinth he writes, "Test yourselves, whether you are in the faith. Examine yourselves." 2 Corinthians 13:5 This alone shows that children can examine themselves. We examine them at Baptism. We speak the faith they believe but cannot articulate for the weakness of their childhood. But Paul makes it more clear, "Or don't you recognize yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?"

[HeavenlyFloodofRegen]

@brycepatties Christ is in us because we are in Christ. We are in Christ because we were baptized by Christ into His own death and resurrection. Paul is telling the Corinthians to examine whether Christ is in them and they in Christ. It is not a question of physical maturity. Christ in us and us in Christ is Baptism, the heavenly birth. Paul told the Corinthians to remember their Baptisms and to eat that bread, to drink that cup, in the Spirit of Baptism, not the spirit of their flesh.

[2catlvr1969]

LOL!

[mkjerl2010]

Kevin Costner is my favorite actor

[PeachMcD]

thanks from an Episcopalian who feels the same frustration with fundamentalists who don't consider me Christian!

[chikeefer]

Great....I've posted on Facebook.... :-) My only suggestion? Use different voices for the two characters...they're too similar to tell apart.... But spot on for the conversation.... LOL

[txbluesguy]

Like it!

[crowman593]

I'll pray for you, too. Heavenly, Father, (or should I say "Father God I just wanna say") please bless the efforts of the video producer, than many more episodes may be forthcoming, and that we can all have a good laugh.

[MotAndrocles]

Right. On. The. Money!

[TheTbonist]

Ephesians 5 does actually use 'mysterion' (rendered sacramentum in Latin)

[DRM2193]

It's *supposed to be* lame. THat's what makes it so good!

[tgtaptarget]

Wow. Lame. Superlame. True, but still super-lame.

[AnthonyRF1996]

@tgtaptarget are you a lutheran? if you are, i don't understand why you don't get it.

[irondawson]

Bravo